Eric Simonson Didn't save anybody's lives. It was the Sherpa's. The hero hunter is nothing but a lazy American trying to take credit for somebody else's Accomplishments.All these climbers say they climb mount Everest. All they did was walk up a hill with a rope that they didn't even put on the mountain.
What a treat! - a documentary I haven't seen. Thank you Mr Snow. Totally heroic by all, I wish there was another expedition to try and find that photograph...
@@davesmith5656 I thought that too - for a few minutes I thought they had used some rare footage and then remembered it said reproductions - very evocative
@@golden1789 Yes, it was quite successfully done, the actors also looked well matched to mallory and irvine. They should have filmed a few more scenes.
I heard a guy on another documentary say "if you summit, but don't make it back down, it doesn't count". I'm not sure how most mountaineers think, but I kind of agree. Doesn't take away from Mallory's attempt. To try what he did back in 1924 is amazing.
Such selflessness, giving up your ambitions to save others while ascenders pass you by unwilling to even share oxygen never mind help. Your all to be commended....Bravo
Those guys are heroes, not every mountaineer would sacrifice their dream to climb to the top, to save lives! So many times we saw how others let their colleagues die. No judgement here though, when you are not there, u dont know how you would react. You are truly HEROES!!!
Are you kidding me. These guys in a documentary are nothing more than glorified Follower. When somebody climbs that mountain without any help from the Sherpa's. No food brought up no tents is no oxygen Unless they carry it up themselves. Oh and one more thing. They have to set their own safety lines.
@@scottyvary Actually there are climbers who set anchors & rope! I admire the Sherpa people more than anyone & even I know exactly how uneducated & inane your comment is just to snark 🙄
let me guess, you're a dmb united statian who thinks life is about hollywood superman and heroes. ANYBODY who is fit and on a mountain and find someone in mortal danger must help, it's not a matter of being a hero, and these are words of the Sir Hillary.
No disrespect towards anyone, but I've learned enough about Dave Hahn, Simonson,Politz, and Anker that they have all climbed at various times in their lives without anyone putting in fixed lines for them , without the aid of Sherpa. Perhaps they hired Sherpa for these expeditions so that they could focus on their tasks at hand. I firmly believe the Sherpa ARE the unsung heroes . It's like a catch 22; you are a wuss if you hire them to assist with the expedition but you are denying them income if you don't( in the past, some climbers were singled out and got into verbal skirmishes for NOT hiring Sherpa). I most certainly agree though, that they are the true heroes of the mountains. God Bless
From my understanding, cerebral edema happens not from lack of oxygen but because of the difference in air pressure at high altitudes. And also, paradoxical undressing isn't just a "form of dementia", from what I know the sufferer actually feels warmth being released to their extremities from their core, so the feeling of overheating is very real.
The difference in air pressure at altitude is a result of lack of oxygen so same diff really... & those dying of hypothermia do feel heat near the end. In an attempt to survive the body directs blood to the core & that blood is released to circulate just before death. This is why many are found to have taken off their protective gear ;o)
Pretty incredible achievment of Eric Simeonson Leadership and scholarship on this matter to be successful in finding the body of Mallory of the first day of searching at 26,700ft. Congratulations Eric and Team.
I believe Mallory made the summitt. Making the summitt is only half the journey. The hardest part is the descent. You can summit and think your successful, but if you don't make it down the mountain, the summit has no meaning. Hillary and Tenzing deserve the credit because they made the journey and lived to feel the victory. That is what it is about. They also made the journey carrying their share of weight and not pampered by Sherpas who, these days, are the reason so many make the summit.
Actually when all is said, the Swiss expedition 1 year before before Hillary came only 800 feet from the summit. So who made it first isn't really relevant, it's just the luck of the weather that day. I believe Mallory did not make it and was trying to save his life by going down fast, too fast to be safe.
there are no proof that he carried his wife's photo, that story came from her side of the family and it's unclear he truly had told her that. As for the flag, Irvine not Mallory.
Great video, but c'mon, there's absolutely no chance that a photograph and a flag might still be found on top after 100 years of hurricane force winds.
Honestly the documentary becomes so much more interesting when it turns into a rescue mission, and kudos to them for saving a life. However I also have dismay for all these people climbing everest who aren't fit enough to climb or not turning back when they should and putting others lives at risk. Almost impossible to do a documentary up there cause someone will always need saving.
I love Mallory and his expeditions but even if he did summit he did not make it back we can not take anything away from Hillary and tenzing they were the first.
Totally agree. The brave men who went into totally unknown territory on these quests, and to the TALLEST IN THE WORLD at that, are so badass!!!!!! True pioneers ❤️
It’s the truth that counts in the end my friend. If they ever find the camera, which may be with Irving’s body or even lost, we may find evidence that supports a successful Mallory/Irving summit. The you would look rather silly wouldn’t you? You would need to formally apologise wouldn’t you Alan!
@@PetraKann I am aware they may have made the summit but the truth is it’s been almost 100 years and we don’t have a camera and Hillary and tenzing were the first. Making it back is just as important as making the summit in every expedition. I hope a body and camera is found but it changes nothing really.
We admire these climbers to rescue these dying climbers instead of summiting the mount EVEREST. these are real HEROES and should be rewarded with a visit to HH the Dalai Lama, who is considered to be the incarnation and emanation of Avaloketeshwara the compassionate one. Without any doubts Mallory and his friend did not summit Everest, if they did, they should have left the union jack flag and photo of his wife at the summit.
The pointy mountain in the opening picture was not Everest, too pointyI believe Mallory and Irvine made the summit, which doesn’t degrade the accomplishments of Hillary and Tenzing in any way. They were the first to do so and survive to talk about it, like the U K version of Neal Armstrong.
Of course it remains a mystery, but the available evidence makes it extremely unlikely that Mallory summited Everest. Conrad Anker, the guy who actually found Mallory's body, wrote an excellent book called The Lost Explorer. He actually has summited Everest twice, once without gas. He had a fantastic chapter at the end of the book in which he very logically, based on the actual evidence, explains precisely why Mallory couldn't have made the summit. However, he also is very clear to point out that that doesn't diminish what Mallory and Irvine actually did do.
If you don't make it back down then summiting means zero imho, BUT I do not say that to take anything away from those who tried before Tenzing & Hillary, only that I see them as totally different things ;o)
I admire Mountaineers George Mallory and Andrew Irvine, very sad to see Mallory's remains and glad the team was able to provide a proper burial. They died doing what they loved best climb the tallest and majestic Mt Everest. Interesting example of the brain Edema; to go up knowing what may happen to the brain; for me is incomprehensible. I still admire all Mountaineers so much will power. To all who have perished may they Rest in Peace.
Unfortunately they did not give him a proper burial they disturbed his body not once but twice. But will only tell you about the first time. They returned with a metal detector days later and that time ripped every inch wool fabric still clinging to his dried skin and made a heap of flesh and bones from him. That is the worst tomb raider violation i have ever heard of short of Egyptian pharaohs. Neither did they have the permission of his family to take body samples as said in the video that is a confirmed lie. They were united statians that explains their not knowing how to properly handle such situation.
I was still a good video, but I agree, I flippin hate jerky, flashy, 'photosensitive seizure warning' editing like that. Thumbs up for the story. Thumbs down for the editing.
the search for Irvin continues 98 years later, he might be under a slow moving glacier by now or buried a lot lower on the mountain then where they are searching.
Yep, something tells me he got much lower climbing down than Mallory but got lost and it's why it's not on any route. Then the other big alternative is that he had all the evidences that they succeeded but the Chinese found him and pushed his body in the abyss.
Curious about the optimism of finding a photograph and flag left by Mallory. Is there some sort of vault at the summit for safekeeping momentos from 100 mph winds and freezing snow?
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No joke, another guy in that situation in a completely different expedition said they slapped him so much and hit him to keep him going that he had bruises all over the body. But it worked.
You would think that this day and age flying a good professional standard drone there could cover a big area and look, at least, for places of interest, it could be controlled from lower down.
Another documentary said Sir Hillary had to releave himself before going down and peed on the summit, and happenned to pee on the picture mallory had left. Ok the second half of that isn't true but the first half is true.
In a different video, the Mallory family is quoted as saying they never approved taking any tissue sample for a DNA test. According to a different channel, a quoted family member (Mallory’s grandson) indicated that the tissue sample for DNA permission didn’t happen. It’s intriguing.
No need to be at 24,000 feet to feel choked up!!! I was in Denver this spring in Aspen and couldn’t get out of my hotel after 2 days literally passed out in my hotel room
I think that Mallory and Irvine were a couple of young college men out to seek their own glory but the mountain took them for their youthful haughtiness.
you got it wrong, Mallory was much older than irvine. 38 and 22 years old. More like an expert and a young novice. Mallory was full of that WW1 seen it all nothing scares me anymore attitude it seems. He was also weird and eccentric. Maybe Irvine succombed to altitude and Mallory pushed his body down the mountain with all the evidence of their climbs thinking that he wouldn't make it himself.
I understand ambitious and competitive people. To step over someone, who is died or in the process. I do not want that, I do want that on my mind because I probably could never sleep again
3:25 There is a clip when they asked Sir Edmund Hillary did Mallory made it to the top. He says it doesn't matter because the definition of climbing a mountain is to go up to the peak and come back to civilization. Other words, Sir Edmund Hillary did not wonder.
Well he would say that . Fact is , you get to the summit you summited . He will say anything just to say he was first . I would respect him if he had said he couldn’t take credit until proven . People say the Chinese have the camera, the way I see it only Nepal would have something to lose if it proved tenzing was not first with Hilary . I think Nepal has the camera .
It makes sense to me that you can not determine for sure somebody is dead unless you are a MD...that is if it is not obvious like a decapitation of course..
I wish people would stop talking about Mallory's camera. Mallory didn't take a camera, the story about him borrowing Somervells camera was never proven just like George Mallory having a picture of Ruth was all speculation. Somerville was coming down the mountain passing George, how did Sumerville take out film give George film???? It was all speculation. George Mallory didn't need to take pictures it wasn't thought about then, that's why he told Noel to look for them crossing the rock band or going up the sky line at 8am. I also don't believe that the Ice axe is Sandy's, I don't think the glove was his either. I think Sandy slipped and George tried to pull him up and while doing so the rope snapped pulling George down. I believe Irvine had fallen off completely. If he was there they would have found him already. Just my opinion on where Sandy is.
Even if he did borrow a camera, and even if the camera is found, I'm sorry to say this but, I highly doubt the film inside the camera will be viable. The silver gelatin emulsion used in roll films of that day would have most likely, over the years, melded and stuck together making it almost impossible to unroll for processing. It would be brittle and crack into pieces like dry rot. Also, almost 100 years of exposure to solar radiation at those high altitudes has probably washed out or critically damaged any images on the film. Who knows, I could be wrong, but I still would not put much hope in the lost camera answering any questions.
What are you wondering? If he could have been saved? Sadly Sharp tucked himself into Green Boots Cave and most people going up had no idea he was there. Nor did they see him. They were expecting to find a body in that exact area, so some made the mistake thinking he was green boots. It was only after the sun came up did people notice there were two bodies in the cave. David did his climb alone with no help and no one knew where he was and if/when he was going up. So no one even knew there was someone stranded up there in the first place. Had David made better choices and been smarter, he could have made it. You can't blame other climbers for the choices someone else makes that ends in them losing their lives. You don't try to summit late in the afternoon. He did. You let people know where you are, he didn't. You should go with a Sherpa guild as well, He climbed alone. He made all the wrong choices. The only person at fault for Davids death was himself.
@@coryCuc Thanks. I just think its unfair to judge David Sharp situation, like other rescues. And to want to find the fault in the other climbers who passed him, instead of putting blame on David. He made the choice to go alone with no group lower to track him. No one knew his plans, and he didn't have a radio or anything. So how was anyone to know he was even up there? Asian Trekking doesn't keep tabs on their climbers like that. At least not back then. (i dont know if they do now, but that company has SOOOO many clients die.. that they probably still dont) At the end of the day, You have to be the one who can get down from Everest. People can't carry you. You have to be able to walk yourself down. David, spent the night out in one of the coldest nights that year, without letting anyone know. Was out of O2, and tucked himself inside a cave, which made it hard to even see him. (He was probably doing that to get out of the wind and stay warmer, but still it meant he was harder to see) Especially at night time. There is no one to fault Davids death but David. Even his own family has said so.
@@GrumpyKay I agree it is unfair to judge in relation to other rescues etc BUT I also believe it is unfair & unecessary to blame the victim as you did :o( You are making a supposition just the same as those trying to blame others! Suffice to say we don't have first hand knowledge, nobody knows either way, & blaming Sharp accomplishes nothing ;o)
We are currently using seismic technology to find graves of children taken to Aboriginal residential schools. There are hundreds of stories of children never being seen after being taken by the church so we have been finding mass graves. I wonder if the same technology could find Irvine? You never know!
its wild to think that this 50 million year old goliath mountain range wasn't even a hill until 16 million years AFTER the dinosaurs, time is too long I don't like it
Sir Hillary peed on the summit of Everest, no joke, facts you will find it in a documentary on him and Tenzing. It really depends on the weather that day. It's more tricky for women.
I wonder who those Russians were? As far as I understood from this video, two Russians died that day.. One of three found on the slope had survived.. But there is the list of people died on Everest in Wikipedia and there are no any Russians died in 1999.. There is one Ukrainian though, Vasil Kopytko, but Ukrainians are not Russians since 1991, when USSR failed.. Besides, the circumstances of his death are totally different, three Ukrainians got stuck for the night and at three am Vasil said “I got to go” and vanished in the dark, his body was never found. Other two survived.. Is this story real? Who they are those died Russians then?
I believe the second expedition was in 2001, the one where they found Mallory was in fact in 1999. So maybe if you check the records for 2001 you will find the Russians.
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Rewatching, they said only one had died. (Only two of the 3 Russian climbers were found down there. The 3rd could have kept climbing down, and thus lived) Looking at the records for the 2001 climbing season, a Russian named Aleksei Nikiforov Died on the North East ridge on May 24th. Most likely that is the Russian in this story who died. I am looking at Wikipedia as well for these records.
Did they check underneath his body for the camera? I'm guessing for easy access, he had it on a sling on his chest and the straps around his back would of eroded like his clothes, So my guess would be that the camera is still underneath his body, probably damaged from the fall.
Oh yes, they dug him up and looked at his face. Those videos will never see the light of day though. In fact they went up again (after burying him) and dug him up a second time.
Mallory..I believe left his wife's photo on the summit like he told her he would.. that's why her photo wasn't found on him .. something must have happened to it..most likely a bad storm destroyed it..
It wouldn't have even taken a bad storm tbh BUT it is also possible he took it from his pocket to look at as he lay dying & it was destroyed years ago ;o)
@@brianshaw2914 Summit IS the climb. If you want a title for Summitting and then returning to base camp then make that a "thing." There's no such thing as "half a home run" just as there is no such thing as "half a summit."
I was enjoying but stopped because the background noise ( music?) was sooo annoying and added NOTHING. the topic n story itself is plenty and the noose adds nothing. Lost my interest
Your expedition did the right thing, helping people in need is way more important than finding artifacts, I salute you guys!
It’s nice to see a team that cares more about human life than summiting.
Summiting is more important than human life. Everyone knows that
You did not come back empty handed ERIC. Your team saved 5 lives and that is a brilliant accomplishment especially from those altitudes.
Eric Simonson Didn't save anybody's lives. It was the Sherpa's. The hero hunter is nothing but a lazy American trying to take credit for somebody else's Accomplishments.All these climbers say they climb mount Everest. All they did was walk up a hill with a rope that they didn't even put on the mountain.
@@scottyvary Bitter Envious and Pathetic. Go cry elsewhere.
@@scottyvary
Ffs I love & admire the Sherpa people probably more then you BUT your comment is simply beyond unknowledgeable & unecessary snark 🙄
Technically 4 since one of the russians died.. still an amazing achievement though!
I'm sure stopping people from meeting Mallory's fate is a better tribute to him than anything
What a treat! - a documentary I haven't seen. Thank you Mr Snow. Totally heroic by all, I wish there was another expedition to try and find that photograph...
Pretty amazing documentary! The recreations are all very realistic, as good if not better than if someone had somehow filmed all the original story.
@@davesmith5656 I thought that too - for a few minutes I thought they had used some rare footage and then remembered it said reproductions - very evocative
@@golden1789 Yes, it was quite successfully done, the actors also looked well matched to mallory and irvine. They should have filmed a few more scenes.
The mission was a massive success,when you can save a life that is the ultimate achievement.
@your mom 😱
I heard a guy on another documentary say "if you summit, but don't make it back down, it doesn't count". I'm not sure how most mountaineers think, but I kind of agree. Doesn't take away from Mallory's attempt. To try what he did back in 1924 is amazing.
@Joseph Lucas Absolutely right.
Scott Fisher. He was wrong and now he’s dead. Summitting is summitting even if you don’t make it back down. The guy was just a known a-hole
💯 agree. You only successfully summit if you get back down the ascent is part or the challenge.
Absolutely.
@@XxXx-sc3xuagree with you, you summit you summit. You may have died on the way down but you did it, you die on the way up… you didn’t.
You have to admire the rescue effort the lads made.
and then again Hillary said that is normal and any decent human would have had to do the same assuming you felt as fit as them.
Such selflessness, giving up your ambitions to save others while ascenders pass you by unwilling to even share oxygen never mind help. Your all to be commended....Bravo
First-class documentary.
Those guys are heroes, not every mountaineer would sacrifice their dream to climb to the top, to save lives! So many times we saw how others let their colleagues die. No judgement here though, when you are not there, u dont know how you would react. You are truly HEROES!!!
Are you kidding me. These guys in a documentary are nothing more than glorified Follower. When somebody climbs that mountain without any help from the Sherpa's. No food brought up no tents is no oxygen Unless they carry it up themselves. Oh and one more thing. They have to set their own safety lines.
@@scottyvary I agree without sherpas they wont climb at all
@@scottyvary Actually there are climbers who set anchors & rope! I admire the Sherpa people more than anyone & even I know exactly how uneducated & inane your comment is just to snark 🙄
let me guess, you're a dmb united statian who thinks life is about hollywood superman and heroes. ANYBODY who is fit and on a mountain and find someone in mortal danger must help, it's not a matter of being a hero, and these are words of the Sir Hillary.
No disrespect towards anyone, but I've learned enough about Dave Hahn, Simonson,Politz, and Anker that they have all climbed at various times in their lives without anyone putting in fixed lines for them , without the aid of Sherpa. Perhaps they hired Sherpa for these expeditions so that they could focus on their tasks at hand. I firmly believe the Sherpa ARE the unsung heroes . It's like a catch 22; you are a wuss if you hire them to assist with the expedition but you are denying them income if you don't( in the past, some climbers were singled out and got into verbal skirmishes for NOT hiring Sherpa). I most certainly agree though, that they are the true heroes of the mountains. God Bless
From my understanding, cerebral edema happens not from lack of oxygen but because of the difference in air pressure at high altitudes. And also, paradoxical undressing isn't just a "form of dementia", from what I know the sufferer actually feels warmth being released to their extremities from their core, so the feeling of overheating is very real.
exactly, the sensation of warmth is created by the body's last attempt at survival by gushing blood to all parts of the body.
@@321castle Yes. There is nothing better in the universe than a human body.
@@yellowNred I guess, but for me, personally, I've never been able to get past the taste! 🤣🤣
The difference in air pressure at altitude is a result of lack of oxygen so same diff really... & those dying of hypothermia do feel heat near the end. In an attempt to survive the body directs blood to the core & that blood is released to circulate just before death. This is why many are found to have taken off their protective gear ;o)
@@JustMe-nf1mf well …. The partial pressure of oxygen decreases with altitude *because* of the thin atmosphere, it doesn’t cause it.
Very happy to watch your videos. Thank you.
Thank goodness for the selflessness of the rescue climbers, well done guys!
I saw the picture in 1998 maybe even earlier, I think on magazine. It even amazed me, such thing done after so many years
David you’re my hero 😭😭😭 thank you for blessing me with my FAVORITE stuff to watch!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Pretty incredible achievment of Eric Simeonson Leadership and scholarship on this matter to be successful in finding the body of Mallory of the first day of searching at 26,700ft. Congratulations Eric and Team.
True but you also have to acknowledge there was luck involved as well ;o)
Your videos inspires a lot to expedit 'The great Mount Everest'... Love from Kerala, India. 🤟
the mountain that never sleeps.
I believe Mallory made the summitt. Making the summitt is only half the journey. The hardest part is the descent. You can summit and think your successful, but if you don't make it down the mountain, the summit has no meaning. Hillary and Tenzing deserve the credit because they made the journey and lived to feel the victory. That is what it is about. They also made the journey carrying their share of weight and not pampered by Sherpas who, these days, are the reason so many make the summit.
Actually when all is said, the Swiss expedition 1 year before before Hillary came only 800 feet from the summit. So who made it first isn't really relevant, it's just the luck of the weather that day. I believe Mallory did not make it and was trying to save his life by going down fast, too fast to be safe.
Absolute MAD respect for these guys for making the choice to help these guys in trouble!!!
Excellent documentary. The facts about the missing wife photo and the missing flag are intriguing to say the least.
there are no proof that he carried his wife's photo, that story came from her side of the family and it's unclear he truly had told her that. As for the flag, Irvine not Mallory.
your expedition managed 2 save 4 people hardly what I would call empty handed! God bless you.
Thank you David,deep doc!
Great video, but c'mon, there's absolutely no chance that a photograph and a flag might still be found on top after 100 years of hurricane force winds.
Kodak has said the celluloid would be able to be developed if it was still in the camera
Did they think to check his camera roll on his iPhone?
@@l_squared5211 Yes but that has nothing to do with the comment you replied to lol
I thought the same about photo and flag
I think they just really wanted to get to the top and a 'search of the summit' was a good excuse.
Honestly the documentary becomes so much more interesting when it turns into a rescue mission, and kudos to them for saving a life. However I also have dismay for all these people climbing everest who aren't fit enough to climb or not turning back when they should and putting others lives at risk. Almost impossible to do a documentary up there cause someone will always need saving.
I love Mallory and his expeditions but even if he did summit he did not make it back we can not take anything away from Hillary and tenzing they were the first.
Totally agree. The brave men who went into totally unknown territory on these quests, and to the TALLEST IN THE WORLD at that, are so badass!!!!!! True pioneers ❤️
It’s the truth that counts in the end my friend.
If they ever find the camera, which may be with Irving’s body or even lost, we may find evidence that supports a successful Mallory/Irving summit.
The you would look rather silly wouldn’t you?
You would need to formally apologise wouldn’t you Alan!
@@PetraKann I am aware they may have made the summit but the truth is it’s been almost 100 years and we don’t have a camera and Hillary and tenzing were the first. Making it back is just as important as making the summit in every expedition. I hope a body and camera is found but it changes nothing really.
@@PetraKann maybe they did reach the top, but they didn't make it back. Hillary and Tenzing did, making them the first to conquer Everest.
@@AlanpittsS2a It will change everything my friend.
You may need to make a written apology.
We admire these climbers to rescue these dying climbers instead of summiting the mount EVEREST. these are real HEROES and should be rewarded with a visit to HH the Dalai Lama, who is considered to be the incarnation and emanation of Avaloketeshwara the compassionate one. Without any doubts Mallory and his friend did not summit Everest, if they did, they should have left the union jack flag and photo of his wife at the summit.
The pointy mountain in the opening picture was not Everest, too pointyI believe Mallory and Irvine made the summit, which doesn’t degrade the accomplishments of Hillary and Tenzing in any way. They were the first to do so and survive to talk about it, like the U K version of Neal Armstrong.
What's the UK version of Neil Armstrong?
Of course it remains a mystery, but the available evidence makes it extremely unlikely that Mallory summited Everest. Conrad Anker, the guy who actually found Mallory's body, wrote an excellent book called The Lost Explorer. He actually has summited Everest twice, once without gas. He had a fantastic chapter at the end of the book in which he very logically, based on the actual evidence, explains precisely why Mallory couldn't have made the summit. However, he also is very clear to point out that that doesn't diminish what Mallory and Irvine actually did do.
If you don't make it back down then summiting means zero imho, BUT I do not say that to take anything away from those who tried before Tenzing & Hillary, only that I see them as totally different things ;o)
@@JustMe-nf1mf That's a fantastic way to look at it.
The pointy summit is Nuptse I believe, you can see Everest summit behind it to the left.
I admire Mountaineers George Mallory and Andrew Irvine, very sad to see Mallory's remains and glad the team was able to provide a proper burial. They died doing what they loved best climb the tallest and majestic Mt Everest. Interesting example of the brain Edema; to go up knowing what may happen to the brain; for me is incomprehensible. I still admire all Mountaineers so much will power. To all who have perished may they Rest in Peace.
Unfortunately they did not give him a proper burial they disturbed his body not once but twice. But will only tell you about the first time. They returned with a metal detector days later and that time ripped every inch wool fabric still clinging to his dried skin and made a heap of flesh and bones from him. That is the worst tomb raider violation i have ever heard of short of Egyptian pharaohs. Neither did they have the permission of his family to take body samples as said in the video that is a confirmed lie. They were united statians that explains their not knowing how to properly handle such situation.
l'm glad they saved those lives! Thats the most important thing!
The background music should have been muted. The story itself was too powerful.
David Hahn and that team are some bad ass dudes
" Because it is there "
All time quote from George Mallory 1924.❤
I hate videos that flash a new scene every two seconds.
I was still a good video, but I agree, I flippin hate jerky, flashy, 'photosensitive seizure warning' editing like that. Thumbs up for the story. Thumbs down for the editing.
These documentaries simply take my breath away.
the search for Irvin continues 98 years later, he might be under a slow moving glacier by now or buried a lot lower on the mountain then where they are searching.
At this point I feel they will find him by accident
Yep, something tells me he got much lower climbing down than Mallory but got lost and it's why it's not on any route. Then the other big alternative is that he had all the evidences that they succeeded but the Chinese found him and pushed his body in the abyss.
@@ericastier1646 he is most likely somewhere in the north face or nepali if he felled from the top.
@@thefivews4720 you mean from the ridge. But they avoided the ridge because it is unprotected from the high winds.
Curious about the optimism of finding a photograph and flag left by Mallory. Is there some sort of vault at the summit for safekeeping momentos from 100 mph winds and freezing snow?
High Altitude Climbers.. Deep Water Cave Divers.. The Free Solo Types.. The Suit Flyers..
All these People are Amazing.. Pushing the Limits of those already at Life's *Limits..
And it makes for Amazing, stories of Heroism and Amazing Footage.
Alex Harnold's Free Solo Footage gives me Anxiety and yet it gives me HOPE..
Interesting to Hear,, many of these People are Very Humble and Normal outside their respective Disciplines.
I love climbers etc but find little heroism & zero hope in Alex Harnold tbh. I find that choice of word odd, confusing, & interesting
Amazing documentary. Thanks
The amount of "futuristic" sound effects is mindboggling.
😂😂😂
Did they ever find the body of Irvine?
This morning I climbed all the way out of bed and trekked several steps until I summited the toilet.
It was a grand and glorious day.
Cool story. ID take 5 lives over that discovery. That’s five families
These guys are real humans beings saving these guys lives, congratulations to you all a very well done 👏
"Generally we slapped him around a lot "🤣🤣
No joke, another guy in that situation in a completely different expedition said they slapped him so much and hit him to keep him going that he had bruises all over the body. But it worked.
You would think that this day and age flying a good professional standard drone there could cover a big area and look, at least, for places of interest, it could be controlled from lower down.
Amazing and heartbreaking. Thanks for sharing
I like this story a whole lot better than if they had found the picture or anything else up there.
Another documentary said Sir Hillary had to releave himself before going down and peed on the summit, and happenned to pee on the picture mallory had left.
Ok the second half of that isn't true but the first half is true.
What in those winds 😄like 30 yrs later
In a different video, the Mallory family is quoted as saying they never approved taking any tissue sample for a DNA test. According to a different channel, a quoted family member (Mallory’s grandson) indicated that the tissue sample for DNA permission didn’t happen.
It’s intriguing.
No need to be at 24,000 feet to feel choked up!!! I was in Denver this spring in Aspen and couldn’t get out of my hotel after 2 days literally passed out in my hotel room
"He loves to be out on the slopes however high." (6:25) I would think you would not want to be high climbing Everest but what do I know.
I think that Mallory and Irvine were a couple of young college men out to seek their own glory but the mountain took them for their youthful haughtiness.
Well, haughtiness or youthful optimism
you got it wrong, Mallory was much older than irvine. 38 and 22 years old. More like an expert and a young novice. Mallory was full of that WW1 seen it all nothing scares me anymore attitude it seems. He was also weird and eccentric. Maybe Irvine succombed to altitude and Mallory pushed his body down the mountain with all the evidence of their climbs thinking that he wouldn't make it himself.
Happy that they rescued and saved lives.
The Chinese found Mallory and Irvine in 1960 and in 1975. It seems that they removed or buried Irvine. If the camera was found is not known.
God bless you...
Sir Ed found the flag on the mountain along with the photo of Mallorys wife and got rid of it...
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I understand ambitious and competitive people. To step over someone, who is died or in the process. I do not want that, I do want that on my mind because I probably could never sleep again
Glove for sale anybody?
3:25 There is a clip when they asked Sir Edmund Hillary did Mallory made it to the top. He says it doesn't matter because the definition of climbing a mountain is to go up to the peak and come back to civilization. Other words, Sir Edmund Hillary did not wonder.
Well he would say that . Fact is , you get to the summit you summited . He will say anything just to say he was first . I would respect him if he had said he couldn’t take credit until proven . People say the Chinese have the camera, the way I see it only Nepal would have something to lose if it proved tenzing was not first with Hilary . I think Nepal has the camera .
The Chinese have made the claim that they found the camera decades ago. It's unclear if they developed the film and got any photo's or what.
Everest can sure look different depending on the camera lenses being used.
Great video. I think he did it, sir. E wasn't the first. I hope they can return to the mountain
The Mallory Curse will always plagued the mountain until its final days.
It must have been extremely tough to push someone off the mountain.
I thought Conrad Anker found Mallory’s body in 1999?
yes he was part of hahn's team. This is the return expedition to find irvine.
I still think Mallory and Irvine summited!
It's a really cool and interesting documentary. Shame about the overuse of dRamATic shaky cam...
When did the death zone drop to 25,000 feet from 26,000feet?
It didn't... at 25,000 feet your body is still seriously oxygen deprived & dying slowly in the death zone ;o)
I think Irvine fell pulling George down. Irvine is below Mallory, the fall killed both of them after summit.
I think if you don't make it back down it doesn't count. Unless you save someone's life, than your a HERO
These were true heroes
What if Irvine fell at a lower height than Mallory?
The were roped together
@@waynelayton8568 Actually we do not know they were roped together & if they had been BOTH bodies would have been found together ;o)
It makes sense to me that you can not determine for sure somebody is dead unless you are a MD...that is if it is not obvious like a decapitation of course..
I wish people would stop talking about Mallory's camera. Mallory didn't take a camera, the story about him borrowing Somervells camera was never proven just like George Mallory having a picture of Ruth was all speculation. Somerville was coming down the mountain passing George, how did Sumerville take out film give George film???? It was all speculation. George Mallory didn't need to take pictures it wasn't thought about then, that's why he told Noel to look for them crossing the rock band or going up the sky line at 8am. I also don't believe that the Ice axe is Sandy's, I don't think the glove was his either. I think Sandy slipped and George tried to pull him up and while doing so the rope snapped pulling George down. I believe Irvine had fallen off completely. If he was there they would have found him already. Just my opinion on where Sandy is.
Even if he did borrow a camera, and even if the camera is found, I'm sorry to say this but, I highly doubt the film inside the camera will be viable. The silver gelatin emulsion used in roll films of that day would have most likely, over the years, melded and stuck together making it almost impossible to unroll for processing. It would be brittle and crack into pieces like dry rot. Also, almost 100 years of exposure to solar radiation at those high altitudes has probably washed out or critically damaged any images on the film. Who knows, I could be wrong, but I still would not put much hope in the lost camera answering any questions.
It was Irvine's camera! Kodak agreed to give the maximum technical assistance to recover the images if it were ever found.
Glad you brought this up. You're absolutely correct. I'm assuming you follow Micheal Tracy too?
Make you wonder some where in the neighborhood of 130 climbers walked passed David Sharp , the day he froze on the last stretch to the top
What are you wondering? If he could have been saved? Sadly Sharp tucked himself into Green Boots Cave and most people going up had no idea he was there. Nor did they see him. They were expecting to find a body in that exact area, so some made the mistake thinking he was green boots. It was only after the sun came up did people notice there were two bodies in the cave. David did his climb alone with no help and no one knew where he was and if/when he was going up. So no one even knew there was someone stranded up there in the first place. Had David made better choices and been smarter, he could have made it. You can't blame other climbers for the choices someone else makes that ends in them losing their lives. You don't try to summit late in the afternoon. He did. You let people know where you are, he didn't. You should go with a Sherpa guild as well, He climbed alone. He made all the wrong choices.
The only person at fault for Davids death was himself.
@@GrumpyKay Couldn't have said it better myself. Perfectly put.
@@coryCuc Thanks. I just think its unfair to judge David Sharp situation, like other rescues. And to want to find the fault in the other climbers who passed him, instead of putting blame on David. He made the choice to go alone with no group lower to track him. No one knew his plans, and he didn't have a radio or anything. So how was anyone to know he was even up there? Asian Trekking doesn't keep tabs on their climbers like that. At least not back then. (i dont know if they do now, but that company has SOOOO many clients die.. that they probably still dont)
At the end of the day, You have to be the one who can get down from Everest. People can't carry you. You have to be able to walk yourself down. David, spent the night out in one of the coldest nights that year, without letting anyone know. Was out of O2, and tucked himself inside a cave, which made it hard to even see him. (He was probably doing that to get out of the wind and stay warmer, but still it meant he was harder to see) Especially at night time. There is no one to fault Davids death but David. Even his own family has said so.
@@GrumpyKay I agree it is unfair to judge in relation to other rescues etc BUT I also believe it is unfair & unecessary to blame the victim as you did :o( You are making a supposition just the same as those trying to blame others! Suffice to say we don't have first hand knowledge, nobody knows either way, & blaming Sharp accomplishes nothing ;o)
What ever makes you kids sleep at night
As I see it.
If you don't Mae back alive then it doesn't count
We are currently using seismic technology to find graves of children taken to Aboriginal residential schools. There are hundreds of stories of children never being seen after being taken by the church so we have been finding mass graves. I wonder if the same technology could find Irvine? You never know!
NTT INDONESIA HADIR
its wild to think that this 50 million year old goliath mountain range wasn't even a hill until 16 million years AFTER the dinosaurs, time is too long I don't like it
They didn't summit. No way in hell
I Agree they didn't make it Ok
Watching teem struggling is worse
I dunno.....that's kind of like....the 86,000 dollar question. I kinda like not knowing.
what do they do if they need to go bathroom climbing ?????
Durrrr ???? ,. U might freeze it off tho ‘ ‘ 🥶🥶🥶
Sir Hillary peed on the summit of Everest, no joke, facts you will find it in a documentary on him and Tenzing. It really depends on the weather that day. It's more tricky for women.
I wonder who those Russians were? As far as I understood from this video, two Russians died that day.. One of three found on the slope had survived.. But there is the list of people died on Everest in Wikipedia and there are no any Russians died in 1999.. There is one Ukrainian though, Vasil Kopytko, but Ukrainians are not Russians since 1991, when USSR failed.. Besides, the circumstances of his death are totally different, three Ukrainians got stuck for the night and at three am Vasil said “I got to go” and vanished in the dark, his body was never found. Other two survived..
Is this story real? Who they are those died Russians then?
I believe the second expedition was in 2001, the one where they found Mallory was in fact in 1999. So maybe if you check the records for 2001 you will find the Russians.
I met some Moldovans recently . Their car had talked into a ditch and was securely stuck there ... They both had no English ... The man explained Moldova and used a word that sounded like "rush" so I took him to mean Russia and replied " LITTLE BLUE BUS " ... It's a Russian word that made no sense but was funny ... He knew I wasn't a threat ..
Eventually two french tourists arrived .. it was useless , I said une petite Pu Frances .
Then an Irish guy arrives with a big tow rope in his boot . And out it popped . Hopefully his clutch is still ok .
Random thought
Rewatching, they said only one had died. (Only two of the 3 Russian climbers were found down there. The 3rd could have kept climbing down, and thus lived) Looking at the records for the 2001 climbing season, a Russian named Aleksei Nikiforov Died on the North East ridge on May 24th. Most likely that is the Russian in this story who died. I am looking at Wikipedia as well for these records.
You think they spoke Ukrainian language instead of Russian? How can any body know what nationality you are if you speak Russian?
What did Messner call this......The two deaths of Mallory? Matters not if he summited because he never got down. This was more like trophy hunting imo
even if he did summit he only made it half way
I agree it doesn't count if you don't make it down BUT that DOES NOT mean trying to solve histories questions is trophy hunting ffs 🙄
Did they check underneath his body for the camera? I'm guessing for easy access, he had it on a sling on his chest and the straps around his back would of eroded like his clothes, So my guess would be that the camera is still underneath his body, probably damaged from the fall.
Oh yes, they dug him up and looked at his face. Those videos will never see the light of day though. In fact they went up again (after burying him) and dug him up a second time.
Mallory..I believe left his wife's photo on the summit like he told her he would.. that's why her photo wasn't found on him .. something must have happened to it..most likely a bad storm destroyed it..
It wouldn't have even taken a bad storm tbh BUT it is also possible he took it from his pocket to look at as he lay dying & it was destroyed years ago ;o)
a summit doesnt count if you dont make it back..... no lack of respect intended...
This has always puzzled me as well
Of course it counts. If you do something and you do it, then you get credit for doing it. Did he summit Mt. Everest? Yes. Therefore he summited.
@@coryCuc summit is only half the climb... half a home run doesnt count...
@@brianshaw2914 Summit IS the climb. If you want a title for Summitting and then returning to base camp then make that a "thing."
There's no such thing as "half a home run" just as there is no such thing as "half a summit."
I can solve all of their problems with one small bit of advise. DON'T CLIMB!
Yeah you always hear them say "after a certain height, called the death zone, the body is literally dying." Ok so what should that tell you....
How come Conrad didn't get a wanky name???!
They didn’t even recognize that he was the one that found the body. Fucked up and disingenuous editing.
@@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276 weird!!?? I didn't get that far. Unwatchable
Love how they say they thought they found Irvine but then the moment turns historic. Like finding Irvine wouldn’t be important.
… if choice would be a fame of Mt Everest ‘s topper or NY central Bank robbers I rather choose being a robber for the chance to be alive ..
Riveting
Conrad Anker found George Mallory's body.
Mama MIA
Isn't it ironic that \Mallory posed naked on Everest and that it was his naked body that was found.
Wtf is wrong with you ugh 🙄
No. No it's not.
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I was enjoying but stopped because the background noise ( music?) was sooo annoying and added NOTHING. the topic n story itself is plenty and the noose adds nothing. Lost my interest
I would've gone to the summit. Sorry, but those 2 were too far gone., plus too risky to try to rescue them. Especially fatso Jaime.