I've gotten back into working on this again. I agree you have to work this slow with a metronome as you are doing. Another idea to keep the left hand the same is to practice both hands at the same time. Seems to "encourage" or train your left hand so that it's not as awkward.
Those people that call it a trick or a gimmick are haters. 99 percent of chops licks fills are single strokes and double strokes... There is no gimmick about doing 32nd notes with one hand and the other hand doing something completely different
Cool video, but one thing; Montagner is using "Push Pull" and Merlini's technique is totally different, he's using his own "quiver technique". Both are incredibly impressive but they are using different techniques.
Great lesson. Any chance of doing a video but for german grip aswell? I think the second hit of the stick (that would be the pull) is meant to be the louder of the two notes aswell.
Thanks for watching! The truth is I moved my focus to some other areas and haven’t kept up with these exercises, BUT I plan to get back to this. So much that I want to improve on you know? But I definitely stand by what is in the video.
@@tempoleaguedrums It`s very rare to have a glimpse at the early stages of Push- Pull development at low tempos, I think it`ll provide real value to ppl. I know I found it useful.
Good easy explanation and play along. I found this very hard to grasp but I''ll have to do it each day and put the time in. The thumb nuckle seems to have to bend up and down as the stick moves. During the push it flattens, and on the second hit snaps up, correct?
I don’t use the tip of my thumb on the stick. I’ve tend to keep my thumb on the left of the stick so the stick is in the middle of everything. Kinda like german grip/traditional together I guess lol.
Can anyone explain problems with, fatigue and detroment into bad sunchronization, how to correct?, he was geting 4 strokes with one finger pull. , have a hard time believing thus is just fingers...
Hey Ryan, I don’t know if I’ve totally understood the question. But fatigue and bad synchronization can be solved by going slow at first and getting solid reps in at slow tempos and slowly building up speed. There is more than just fingers going on. The arm, wrist, fingers, and small muscles in the hand all combine to make this happen. But all of those pieces won’t come together in a tight, well orchestrated way without paying the price and getting in the reps before trying to go fast.
If nobody has mentioned it, check out Jojo Meyer push pull at the 2022, I think, buddy rich expo. He demonstrates this technique and seems as fast as the 2 in this video.
Riccardo isn’t using push/pull, he’s just fingers and wrists. That said the stuff Ramon does is amazing the way he uses the accents and dynamics but for straight single stroke rolls and blast beats flying fingers sounds much cleaner and even than push/pull imo.
Good point, flying fingers is what Riccardo has going on. Definitely hard for me to wrap my head around building up the chops to play at the speed he's playing using that technique though. But who am I kidding, it's just as hard for me to wrap my head around the level Ramon has reached. Amazing stuff. Thanks for the comment!
@@tempoleaguedrums This would be my first time doing pep band for something like a basketball game so I wanna be confident in the music since I feel like its gonna be more fast-paced.
Quickly I want to point out-you guys are always talking about hands, fingers, wrists-which is fine,, BUT your shoulders are also involved!! They have to be healthy and balanced,, they should “hang” off of your spine symmetrically on each side…. And yes,, you are responsible for balancing them as well as whatever work you are doing in the hands and fingers.
To do this something has to stay static. I notice that both Montagner and Merlini keep their elbows static. Just wrist. When you do it your elbow and wrist both move. This is too much information for the stick which now does not want to be there. Either move elbow or the wrist but not both. This also reduces muscle fatigue. BTW it's not easy to keep up but once you find it works for a second or two the possibility becomes maybe a reality.
Both are fantastic drummers. Truly a prime example of mastering an instrument
Yep, inspiring
I've gotten back into working on this again. I agree you have to work this slow with a metronome as you are doing. Another idea to keep the left hand the same is to practice both hands at the same time. Seems to "encourage" or train your left hand so that it's not as awkward.
May the Speed be with you 😀😀
May it be with you as well
Those people that call it a trick or a gimmick are haters. 99 percent of chops licks fills are single strokes and double strokes... There is no gimmick about doing 32nd notes with one hand and the other hand doing something completely different
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Unless it's el estepario doing it then everyone loses their minds and fan girls
@@Groov3lab right lol!!!!
Thnx very much man
This helps me so much to improvise❤
Great teacher🔥🔥🔥
You got it! Glad it’s helpful
Cool video, but one thing; Montagner is using "Push Pull" and Merlini's technique is totally different, he's using his own "quiver technique". Both are incredibly impressive but they are using different techniques.
Thanks for the insight!
I concur….
Great lesson.
Any chance of doing a video but for german grip aswell?
I think the second hit of the stick (that would be the pull) is meant to be the louder of the two notes aswell.
Hey! There are probably some good German grip videos out there but I’m not the one to teach it. I never use it.
Ricardo and Ramon are technically Spot on...Takes a long time to get there...😊
This was fascinating. Any follow-up? Really anxious to see if you got any progress.
Thanks for watching! The truth is I moved my focus to some other areas and haven’t kept up with these exercises, BUT I plan to get back to this. So much that I want to improve on you know? But I definitely stand by what is in the video.
@@tempoleaguedrums It`s very rare to have a glimpse at the early stages of Push- Pull development at low tempos, I think it`ll provide real value to ppl. I know I found it useful.
Very nice instruction…..easy to follow…thanks…..will put the time in…..
Awesome, thanks for checking it out!
Good easy explanation and play along. I found this very hard to grasp but I''ll have to do it each day and put the time in. The thumb nuckle seems to have to bend up and down as the stick moves. During the push it flattens, and on the second hit snaps up, correct?
Thanks! Yea that thumb knuckle is definitely moving like that.
@@tempoleaguedrums I wonder how important that thumb is in being able to do this? Feels like I cannot get any power or speed playing like this.
@@peacefulbliss1 hey! Can you post a video of you playing this and link to it? I’d love to take a closer look
@@tempoleaguedrums Sure. Never uploaded a video before but I will give it a shot. Thanks for your help!
@@tempoleaguedrums th-cam.com/video/gKHweW7KPj8/w-d-xo.html
I don’t use the tip of my thumb on the stick. I’ve tend to keep my thumb on the left of the stick so the stick is in the middle of everything. Kinda like german grip/traditional together I guess lol.
I figured this out by accident. I'm getting good at it
Love it, nice work
What size are your sticks?
Vic Firth 5a
Can anyone explain problems with, fatigue and detroment into bad sunchronization, how to correct?, he was geting 4 strokes with one finger pull. , have a hard time believing thus is just fingers...
Hey Ryan, I don’t know if I’ve totally understood the question. But fatigue and bad synchronization can be solved by going slow at first and getting solid reps in at slow tempos and slowly building up speed. There is more than just fingers going on. The arm, wrist, fingers, and small muscles in the hand all combine to make this happen. But all of those pieces won’t come together in a tight, well orchestrated way without paying the price and getting in the reps before trying to go fast.
If nobody has mentioned it, check out Jojo Meyer push pull at the 2022, I think, buddy rich expo. He demonstrates this technique and seems as fast as the 2 in this video.
Riccardo isn’t using push/pull, he’s just fingers and wrists. That said the stuff Ramon does is amazing the way he uses the accents and dynamics but for straight single stroke rolls and blast beats flying fingers sounds much cleaner and even than push/pull imo.
Good point, flying fingers is what Riccardo has going on. Definitely hard for me to wrap my head around building up the chops to play at the speed he's playing using that technique though. But who am I kidding, it's just as hard for me to wrap my head around the level Ramon has reached. Amazing stuff. Thanks for the comment!
Blastbeatology on TH-cam plays a really nice push pull imho.
@@tempoleaguedrums It's not flying fingers. It's mostly wrist.
Hi, so what's the normal bpm of ramon?
It’s like 180 bpm, around there
@@tempoleaguedrums wow! that's too much speed :D
Federer is now a drummer !?😉
HA!
its crazy once you get this good you think its easy well I do anyways and it took me years.
Any tips for basketball pep band?
What are your goals specifically?
@@tempoleaguedrums This would be my first time doing pep band for something like a basketball game so I wanna be confident in the music since I feel like its gonna be more fast-paced.
@@chickenmann9934 How is your hand technique right now?
I being a very DECENT snare drum player can confirm that this is sorcery
Yep, sorcery, good word for it
😁@@tempoleaguedrums
very hard yes..to start..
I really thought these were super fast 8th notes not 16th notes. Seems even harder to think about now.
Yea you could write it in different ways. But you’re right, if written as 8th notes the tempo would be twice as fast.
@@tempoleaguedrums Thanks for the video, it’s very helpful
I can feel the arthritis
Ouch 🤕
Left handed or it don't count...
Quickly I want to point out-you guys are always talking about hands, fingers, wrists-which is fine,, BUT your shoulders are also involved!! They have to be healthy and balanced,, they should “hang” off of your spine symmetrically on each side…. And yes,, you are responsible for balancing them as well as whatever work you are doing in the hands and fingers.
Yep also very important
To do this something has to stay static. I notice that both Montagner and Merlini keep their elbows static. Just wrist. When you do it your elbow and wrist both move. This is too much information for the stick which now does not want to be there. Either move elbow or the wrist but not both. This also reduces muscle fatigue. BTW it's not easy to keep up but once you find it works for a second or two the possibility becomes maybe a reality.
Hey thanks for the comment, I’ll give that a try 🙌🏼