My son started on the Playseat challenge, now nearly 6ft at 15 have upgraded to the Omega Art due to watching this comparison saved me a lot of time searching for a decent cockpit as a mum not up to date with all this racing hardware. Sons happy which is all that matters.
Great review. Been waiting on the comparison. The only reason I went with the apex was because I got everything one at a time. It gave me a chance to dip my toes into sim racing. I bought a g29 to start off with a desk. Later on I outgrew the desk and wanted something more solid but didn’t want to break the bank with a full cockpit. So I got the apex wheel stand. Now I have fallen in love with sim racing so I got the rear frame attachment. This allowed me to try it out slowly without having to spend all my money on something that I might not like. Either way I love your review. Keep up the great work.
This really helped me realize the Apex is perfect for me, because im a short guy and I have a csl dd on the way. Since the wheel rim sticks out so far from the base on the csl dd, my legs wouldnt be long enough to reach the pedals comfortably on the ART. The Apex having the wheel deck further away and a longer pedal deck is perfect for shorter people, great comparison thank you!
I bought the Apex after Karl’s review. Instantly knew I wanted a seat so ahead of Brexit I grabbed the seat frame and XL seat. Haven’t opened the frame or seat yet because we’re going to be renovating our house and they’re better off remaining boxed. I’m a bit disappointed at the mounting options on the shifter plate because it is quite narrow to get a shifter and handbrake on there but eventually when it’s all set up I’ll get creative with a solution. I think the Aiologs pair can be co-mounted to the same mounting point with their single baseplate but I do a lot of rallying and would love a h-pattern. Saw a video of a guy drilling aluminium profile to his seat and attaching a Simvertex to that because it has a tall shifter so that might be a nice solution. Of course, seeing this video, if I could go back in time, I’d grab the Art.
I think the one scenario (admittedly niche) is for those of us who would like the cockpit driving experience, but lack the space for a full-time permanent setup. So if you can only drive for a few hours on a Saturday morning, and want / need the footprint back the rest of the time, MAYBE an Apex folded and slide the rear section off for storage. Reassembly should (in theory) be as simple an unfold, slot in the rear and tighten.
ah, I just rewatched the Apex rear review, and there's some box steel that joins the bottom of the "A" to turn it into a triangle. Does that ruin my theory for a quick fold @karl?
if it weren't for the shifter mount, I think I would choose the rear seat addon for the apex. That said, the fanatec shifter sits VERY high on an already very high mounting point on the apex, and while its definitely usable and I'm used to it, I think I'm going for the Art sheerly for that.
Just like to say thanks for this ! Been looking for a better rig for some months now and It's difficult to judge from advertising hype and pictures . Went for the GT Omega Art a week ago after watching this review . I'm really happy with my choice , it's a great product in every way and can definitely recommend one if anyone is looking like me to upgrade from a cheap Amazon/eBay tube frame type . No seat option as I have a Mazda MX-5 item with headrest speakers on separate amp and this just swapped from my old rig . This is definitely the definitive review for the Art cockpit and your recommendation is spot on 👍
Thanks Karl I appreciate the info! I decided to go with the Next Level Racing F-GT Cockpit, it's a little more money but I think it will work best for me. I just think it's funny the day you post the comparison I waiting for my F-Gt to arrive it should be here in a couple of hours. Thanks again! for you hard work! Talk to you soon. God Bless.
@karl GT omega have brought out some new stiffeners for the ART, £35 So it can be used with a DD...any chance you could get some and do an updated review?
I think I messed up. I just clamped by gear to my desk for months and was happy but decided to treat myself and get a wheel stand, so bought the GT Omega Apex based on your review. Well, now I want a full cockpit - The Apex rear frame/seat is $400 USD but the Art cockpit with seat is only $50 more.. I think I'm going to have to return/sell the Apex and get the Art, the possibility of mounting a monitor stand in the cockpit frame is what I really want
I mean obviously they both are equal at the end point of user experience. The only real difference is whether you go for the full kit or you go via upgrade later and of course if one is at the time of purchase cheaper then the other. Say if apex wheel + upgrade kit are cheaper then the ART then you'd go apex but if you got nothing and want full rig... Obviously you would go for ART as it's just full package and neater as such and if you got nothing but not sure whether you want to dedicate to a sim rig... Then obvious choice is to get apex wheel stand and if you feel that tingle "yep would be sweet to get racing bucket and enjoy the game" then you wouldn't have to spend another 300-350 on a full mid range sim rig package but just an upgrade kit of 200-250... And not end up with uneccesary clutter as you got nothing to do with the wheel stand afterwards if you replace it with a full cockpit. So honestly both products are equally outsanding in the end user experience and it's just about how you approach to these two... If you need right away full rig, you go ART, if you are not sure but still want to test the waters, you go wheel stand and if you decide afterwards to go full sim rig you just convert and done deal. Not missing a thing from a factory full rig. Without ever feeling that back itch "oh god should I have perhaps gone just full rig instead of upgrading?".
Thanks! Been waiting on this comparison! Haven't decided whether to buy or build yet. Fanatec setup delivered this morning, so I better get busy. Fair winds and following seas to all.
Regarding the Apex setup...Did you have any issues with the wheel height adjustment relative to the seat height/position? I've been reading some complaints that it's difficult to get a proper driving position since the seat is too low.
Hi Karl, really find your reviews informative. I've owned the Apex for a few years now and looking to upgrade to the Art or Titan. I have the rear seat add-on so my question is will the add-on work with the Art or not? I don't need another seat. Or can I get universal seat sliders to work with the Art/Titan?
If you have the Apex with rear seat add on then the ART is not really an upgrade, it does have some additional features but rigidity wise it's about the same. I'd go Titan or Prime if you can afford it, but the Titan does lack some adjustability... tricky choice mate.
@@KarlGosling Thanks for your quick answer. What I should have asked is when you order either rig with no seat, does the kit come with a seat rail or can I use the existing seat rail I have? The biggest reason for upgrading is the wheel base plate on the Apex won't hold my DD Pro securely, keeps loosening no matter how much I tighten it.
U should really check out the titan... I just recieved mine this past week and it is fantastic. It is a big step up from the art, much stronger, more adjustable and IMHO better looking. I know u have mentioned featuring it in the past, and I would like to hear your opinion of it
Thanks for the review! Just got a new sub my friend. I like the shifter location on the art , I feel like the wheel location mount on the apex has less flex from what I've seen watching reviews/ videos between the 2. I can't decide lol. Probably end up going with the art, as where I live, the rear seat frame for the apex is currently unavailable. I'm sure either are an upgrade from my homemade one lol
Hi Carl. Don't suppose you're gonna sell your ART anti flex add ons now your downsizing your collection?? Keep meaning to buy the parts but I suck at DIY!!
What's a cheap seat that you would recommend for the Apex? I want to upgrade mine to the full cockpit but the price of their seats is kinda putting me off.
Would have liked to see them in use, and have the flex tested. With the current demonstration, it seems like you are reluctant to use them. Do you have to send them back to the manufacturer?
didnt know if you would reply as the video i watched had 250k views, i watched the Logitech G920 with the playseat you got for a bargain of £60 you lucky bastard, i pissed myself laughing when you said "stay there you bastard" and when you were in the dirt race sim your reactions are priceless. As much as you do reviews please do some gaming videos your funny as fuck!
@@KarlGosling then i recommend doing some forza horizon 4 live streams playing with viewers or playing with donators or something along them lines could sky rocket the channels growth and be a lot of fun!
karl do you still reccomend a srs shakekit for a gt omega apex?, or would a buttkicker gamer 2 be better?. I dont have a mounting braket for the buttkicker so the srs would be more straighforward.
Hey Karl. Love your reviews, last year after i watch your videos i decided to get apex. This year im ready to upgrade to full rig, should i get an art or just the rear frame for apex? how important is the height adjustment?
I love the Apex I got after watching your videos. In your comparison video, the Apex looks narrower, I'm not sure if that is just foreshortening through the lens though. The Apex might be intentionally narrow to fit in the leg space of a desk, I know I like the lower height because it sits further back in the leg space so I can sit up closer to my 27" monitor. I do like the wide panel the wheel mounts onto though. It looks like it would work for a HOTAS if you drilled extra holes. As someone who sometimes tries out the odd flight or space sim that would be quite handy. I could always just buy an extra sheet of metal and bolt it onto the smaller plate the Apex has though.
G'day Karl. Love all your videos mate. Got a question for you. Between the RS6 and the RS9, what seat would you recommend? Just for some perspective, i'm around 5'10". Not a heavyweight by any stretch of the imagination either. I'm generally in the seat for stretches of around 3hours at a time........ sometimes 6hours. Any thoughts? Happy to hear from any of your subscribers for their experiences too. Thanks in advance. 👍
@@KarlGosling awesome mate. Looking forward to it. With your discount, i can get the ART rig with the RS9 seat for the same price as the RS6 version. Cheers! Hey, thanks btw for taking the time to respond to a mug like me. Much appreciated 👍👍👍👍👍
@@KarlGosling thank you for that . The website has the seating surface width of the rs6 at 40cm and the rs9 at 36cm I just wanted to confirm which is correct .
My son started on the Playseat challenge, now nearly 6ft at 15 have upgraded to the Omega Art due to watching this comparison saved me a lot of time searching for a decent cockpit as a mum not up to date with all this racing hardware. Sons happy which is all that matters.
Great to hear! :)
Great review. Been waiting on the comparison. The only reason I went with the apex was because I got everything one at a time. It gave me a chance to dip my toes into sim racing. I bought a g29 to start off with a desk. Later on I outgrew the desk and wanted something more solid but didn’t want to break the bank with a full cockpit. So I got the apex wheel stand. Now I have fallen in love with sim racing so I got the rear frame attachment. This allowed me to try it out slowly without having to spend all my money on something that I might not like. Either way I love your review. Keep up the great work.
Yeah makes sense mate! :)
I now have the Apex and soon I will upgrade to teh rear fram attachment. Is it worth it?
@@MelfjeProductionS yes
Just started watching ur videos. Picked up a T-150 and a GT Omega Apex. I look forward to more of your awesome content!
Welcome aboard!
Right now on Amazon Prime Day , the Art is $96 and the Apex is $119 on sale!
APEX: optional mouse and keyboard trays, also you can tilt the wheel deck
This really helped me realize the Apex is perfect for me, because im a short guy and I have a csl dd on the way. Since the wheel rim sticks out so far from the base on the csl dd, my legs wouldnt be long enough to reach the pedals comfortably on the ART. The Apex having the wheel deck further away and a longer pedal deck is perfect for shorter people, great comparison thank you!
No worries! :)
How is the csl dd performing with the apex? I'm going to pull the trigger on a dd pro 8nm and probably an Art but I'm worried about the flex.
I have not experienced any flex issues on the Apex pedal tray personally. Nice comparison and advice👍
Look either side where it hangs from the uprights as you press down, those brackets/arms flex a bit.
I bought the Apex after Karl’s review. Instantly knew I wanted a seat so ahead of Brexit I grabbed the seat frame and XL seat.
Haven’t opened the frame or seat yet because we’re going to be renovating our house and they’re better off remaining boxed.
I’m a bit disappointed at the mounting options on the shifter plate because it is quite narrow to get a shifter and handbrake on there but eventually when it’s all set up I’ll get creative with a solution. I think the Aiologs pair can be co-mounted to the same mounting point with their single baseplate but I do a lot of rallying and would love a h-pattern.
Saw a video of a guy drilling aluminium profile to his seat and attaching a Simvertex to that because it has a tall shifter so that might be a nice solution.
Of course, seeing this video, if I could go back in time, I’d grab the Art.
Got my GT Omega apex today used your discount. Very happy with it so solid but is heavier that I expected.
been watching your vids just ordered the art rs9, says itll be here tuesday. im so excited
Nice enjoy mate!
I think the one scenario (admittedly niche) is for those of us who would like the cockpit driving experience, but lack the space for a full-time permanent setup. So if you can only drive for a few hours on a Saturday morning, and want / need the footprint back the rest of the time, MAYBE an Apex folded and slide the rear section off for storage.
Reassembly should (in theory) be as simple an unfold, slot in the rear and tighten.
ah, I just rewatched the Apex rear review, and there's some box steel that joins the bottom of the "A" to turn it into a triangle. Does that ruin my theory for a quick fold @karl?
Yeah you can't fold it anymore.
Thanks for the comparison karl. I'm gonna be returning my classic wheelstand to amazon and picking up the art when they get back in stock in Canada
Good shout mate! :)
I got apex from watching your videos and love it
It's a good wheel stand!
if it weren't for the shifter mount, I think I would choose the rear seat addon for the apex. That said, the fanatec shifter sits VERY high on an already very high mounting point on the apex, and while its definitely usable and I'm used to it, I think I'm going for the Art sheerly for that.
Just like to say thanks for this ! Been looking for a better rig for some months now and It's difficult to judge from advertising hype and pictures . Went for the GT Omega Art a week ago after watching this review . I'm really happy with my choice , it's a great product in every way and can definitely recommend one if anyone is looking like me to upgrade from a cheap Amazon/eBay tube frame type . No seat option as I have a Mazda MX-5 item with headrest speakers on separate amp and this just swapped from my old rig . This is definitely the definitive review for the Art cockpit and your recommendation is spot on 👍
Thanks Karl I appreciate the info! I decided to go with the Next Level Racing F-GT Cockpit, it's a little more money but I think it will work best for me. I just think it's funny the day you post the comparison I waiting for my F-Gt to arrive it should be here in a couple of hours. Thanks again! for you hard work! Talk to you soon. God Bless.
Thanks mate, enjoy the F-GT!
nice video Karl, i got the raceroom rr3055 with addons quite happy with it at the moment. keep up the good videos
Thanks, will do!
@karl GT omega have brought out some new stiffeners for the ART, £35 So it can be used with a DD...any chance you could get some and do an updated review?
Ohh thats interesting! I'll see mate yes!
My consideration is the APEX can be bought as a wheel stand and added to later, so it would get those with a smaller budget racing sooner
Indeed it would!
I think I messed up. I just clamped by gear to my desk for months and was happy but decided to treat myself and get a wheel stand, so bought the GT Omega Apex based on your review.
Well, now I want a full cockpit - The Apex rear frame/seat is $400 USD but the Art cockpit with seat is only $50 more..
I think I'm going to have to return/sell the Apex and get the Art, the possibility of mounting a monitor stand in the cockpit frame is what I really want
Sounds like a good plan... and also the rabbit hole of sim racing! lol
I mean obviously they both are equal at the end point of user experience. The only real difference is whether you go for the full kit or you go via upgrade later and of course if one is at the time of purchase cheaper then the other.
Say if apex wheel + upgrade kit are cheaper then the ART then you'd go apex but if you got nothing and want full rig... Obviously you would go for ART as it's just full package and neater as such and if you got nothing but not sure whether you want to dedicate to a sim rig... Then obvious choice is to get apex wheel stand and if you feel that tingle "yep would be sweet to get racing bucket and enjoy the game" then you wouldn't have to spend another 300-350 on a full mid range sim rig package but just an upgrade kit of 200-250... And not end up with uneccesary clutter as you got nothing to do with the wheel stand afterwards if you replace it with a full cockpit.
So honestly both products are equally outsanding in the end user experience and it's just about how you approach to these two... If you need right away full rig, you go ART, if you are not sure but still want to test the waters, you go wheel stand and if you decide afterwards to go full sim rig you just convert and done deal. Not missing a thing from a factory full rig. Without ever feeling that back itch "oh god should I have perhaps gone just full rig instead of upgrading?".
Thanks! Been waiting on this comparison! Haven't decided whether to buy or build yet. Fanatec setup delivered this morning, so I better get busy.
Fair winds and following seas to all.
You had mate! Hop to it! :) lol
Regarding the Apex setup...Did you have any issues with the wheel height adjustment relative to the seat height/position? I've been reading some complaints that it's difficult to get a proper driving position since the seat is too low.
Not that I recall mate no.
Hello Karl
Could you tell me how tall the GT Omega ART Racing is with a wheelbase on it if I lowered it all the way down?
Sorry mate I do not have the ART any more.
have you had a look at the titan cockpit from gt omega is it worth the extra over the art ??
And how easy is it to put a different seat on the art?
I've not had one in no.
As easy as any other cockpit, just bolts on same as any car seat mate.
@@KarlGosling ok cheers mate and thanks for reply.
The apex wheel stand sits on top of rear seat attachment?
The other way around, sort of.. they bolt together.
Hi Karl, really find your reviews informative. I've owned the Apex for a few years now and looking to upgrade to the Art or Titan. I have the rear seat add-on so my question is will the add-on work with the Art or not? I don't need another seat. Or can I get universal seat sliders to work with the Art/Titan?
If you have the Apex with rear seat add on then the ART is not really an upgrade, it does have some additional features but rigidity wise it's about the same.
I'd go Titan or Prime if you can afford it, but the Titan does lack some adjustability... tricky choice mate.
@@KarlGosling Thanks for your quick answer. What I should have asked is when you order either rig with no seat, does the kit come with a seat rail or can I use the existing seat rail I have? The biggest reason for upgrading is the wheel base plate on the Apex won't hold my DD Pro securely, keeps loosening no matter how much I tighten it.
Why are racing cockpits typically low to the floor and not desk height?
Because you are not usually situated in front of a desk.
I think the Apex would suit me better because of the option of reducibility
Once you attach the rear half you can't fold it away mate.
@@KarlGosling I know but what I'm saying is you can always go back a folding wheelstand if need be where as with the ART there is no option.
I’m 6’1 and 210lbs. What is the difference between the Art R6, R9 and XLRS? The XL is out of stock.
U should really check out the titan... I just recieved mine this past week and it is fantastic. It is a big step up from the art, much stronger, more adjustable and IMHO better looking.
I know u have mentioned featuring it in the past, and I would like to hear your opinion of it
Yeah as soon as they have one for promotional use I'll get one in mate.
Thanks for the review! Just got a new sub my friend. I like the shifter location on the art , I feel like the wheel location mount on the apex has less flex from what I've seen watching reviews/ videos between the 2. I can't decide lol. Probably end up going with the art, as where I live, the rear seat frame for the apex is currently unavailable. I'm sure either are an upgrade from my homemade one lol
Thanks for the sub!
do you prefer the Rs6 or Rs9 seat for the Omega ART? not sure if there is a real difference. what would be better for a 5'9" 165 lbs person?
I have no preference but I have a video coming comparing the two with measurements etc.
the seat looks more stable on the apex because it has a wider base?
Hi Carl. Don't suppose you're gonna sell your ART anti flex add ons now your downsizing your collection?? Keep meaning to buy the parts but I suck at DIY!!
Already gone with the cockpit mate sorry.
@@KarlGosling No worries mate. Shall make an effort to order the bits this weekend. Assume it's just steel flat section?
What's a cheap seat that you would recommend for the Apex? I want to upgrade mine to the full cockpit but the price of their seats is kinda putting me off.
Starting to get more serious into sim racing. have been using the playseat challenge for over a year now, would the ART be a viable upgrade?
Sure would be, I ran one for the last three years until I went Prime.
@@KarlGosling ok thanks! It seems very good for its price.
Can you put your own seat onto this if you buy without seat also is the fanatec csl dd compatible with the ark
Yes and Yes.
In the apex can you put non gt omega seats on it
Yes any standard runnier fitment seat.
is the titan worth the extra 120€ compared to ART?
It has less adjustment but is much more solid, so depends what you need and want mate.
Is that a tv or monitor you use on the sim in the back?
TV
Would have liked to see them in use, and have the flex tested. With the current demonstration, it seems like you are reluctant to use them. Do you have to send them back to the manufacturer?
No, just watch my individual reviews! lol
Does your "DISCOUNT CODES!" still work because it is the same price when not using the link !!
Yes, the discount is applied at final checkout as you pay.
didnt know if you would reply as the video i watched had 250k views, i watched the Logitech G920 with the playseat you got for a bargain of £60 you lucky bastard, i pissed myself laughing when you said "stay there you bastard" and when you were in the dirt race sim your reactions are priceless. As much as you do reviews please do some gaming videos your funny as fuck!
lol I can't drive and talk at the same time!! They would be awful video's but cheers! :)
@@KarlGosling then i recommend doing some forza horizon 4 live streams playing with viewers or playing with donators or something along them lines could sky rocket the channels growth and be a lot of fun!
Thank you
Do you have wheels underneath the ART?
Yes mate.
karl do you still reccomend a srs shakekit for a gt omega apex?, or would a buttkicker gamer 2 be better?. I dont have a mounting braket for the buttkicker so the srs would be more straighforward.
Two very different things mate, the SRS kit has four transducers and does way more than what one Butt Kicker can albeit at a lower power output.
@@KarlGosling hmm i think the srs shakekit may be a better option then, plus it is much easier to set up. thanks :).
The Apex stand it's much better stand in terms of rigidity.
Karl i have an apex and i can mount on either side for shiters
Did I say you couldn't in this video, I thought I said the Apex has just one shifter mount option where as the ART has two different types?
Hey Karl. Love your reviews, last year after i watch your videos i decided to get apex. This year im ready to upgrade to full rig, should i get an art or just the rear frame for apex? how important is the height adjustment?
Thats up to you mate really and what you need.
I love the Apex I got after watching your videos. In your comparison video, the Apex looks narrower, I'm not sure if that is just foreshortening through the lens though. The Apex might be intentionally narrow to fit in the leg space of a desk, I know I like the lower height because it sits further back in the leg space so I can sit up closer to my 27" monitor.
I do like the wide panel the wheel mounts onto though. It looks like it would work for a HOTAS if you drilled extra holes. As someone who sometimes tries out the odd flight or space sim that would be quite handy. I could always just buy an extra sheet of metal and bolt it onto the smaller plate the Apex has though.
I have apex and love it
Sir, I love you content! Do you have any other social media-channels like instagram? Greetings from germany and croatia!
Thanks very much mate! :) Not for public use no I don't.
Could you please do a review on the play seat evaluation I would 100% watch that video
Literally recorded one today and will be live Friday night! :)
G'day Karl. Love all your videos mate. Got a question for you. Between the RS6 and the RS9, what seat would you recommend? Just for some perspective, i'm around 5'10". Not a heavyweight by any stretch of the imagination either. I'm generally in the seat for stretches of around 3hours at a time........ sometimes 6hours. Any thoughts? Happy to hear from any of your subscribers for their experiences too. Thanks in advance. 👍
RS9, I actually have a video coming comparing the two :)
@@KarlGosling awesome mate. Looking forward to it. With your discount, i can get the ART rig with the RS9 seat for the same price as the RS6 version. Cheers! Hey, thanks btw for taking the time to respond to a mug like me. Much appreciated 👍👍👍👍👍
watching this in 2022 and they have no inventory of anything lol siiigh
The way of things for the last bloody 2 years! lol Just keep checking the site, more stock arrives every couple of weeks.
Hi Karl great reviews ! The rs6 seat is larger than the rs9 seat correct ??
It's longer and taller but much narrower.
@@KarlGosling thank you for that . The website has the seating surface width of the rs6 at 40cm and the rs9 at 36cm I just wanted to confirm which is correct .