¡To the MOOOON! Lunar colonization is the most important feat humankind will ever do, as it will open us the door to the stars, but it's often undervalued and overshadowed by Mars and other world colonies.
@@firedrive45 It's the launch pad. Harder to colonize than a rocky planet. We figure out how to farm and run self sustaining settlements on the moon, we can do it anywhere. There no atmostphere so concepts like a space elevator and hyper loop space craft launches become possible.
The interconnected base purpose tidbits reminded me of Artemis by Andy Weir. Namely that there was a huge industrial aluminum smelter that produced oxygen as a waste product, so aluminum production was also part of the life support system for the rest of the colony. Good book. :)
All I was thinking when he was talking about the bases was about how they will probably NOT want to give birth in gravity that low and then drag the baby back to earth gravity. In fact the whole process of childbirth. Like. Holy moly. Please make this an episode I’m now so curious about how they will do this and other medical procedures in low-0 gravity.
Whenever I come across people who are pessimistic about Humanities future I direct them towards Isaac Arthur for a healthier and more positive view point about our potential future.
That's all fine and dandy, but pessimistic world views are required if we want to survive. If no one points out a possible issue that can destroy us than if it actually happen we will not know how to deal with it. Even conspiracy theories are important to keep in mind, just in case.
As it currently stands, a "robot" can almost never do a job "better". It can only be designed to do very specific things and if something unforseen happens, thats it. Astronauts could easily do more research within days than a rover could do in years.
You know people on earth would eventually begin debating about wanting to cut off the parasitic moon colony. Then, after the colony is profitable, if ever, the colony will have debates about becoming independent of the earth.
Today happens to be the Chinese Lunar Festival (aka Mid-Autumn or Moon Cake Festival), such a coincidence! Enjoy the full moon tonight. Happy Mid-Autumn! 中秋快乐！
This channel really is the most dedicated, detailed and discussive channel I've ever seen for space, and it makes me really happy to see a channel that can really delve into and help others appreciate not only the absolute wonder of space, but also the future of the human race as a whole through such deep dives! Also deeply appreciate the captions for the video because although I can understand your speaking clearly, I prefer reading because it helps me stay focused and follow along better!
I'm not the first to think of sintering the moon's surface for various reasons, but one of the first things we should do before moving there is to send a few machines to bake roads and foundations into the regolith with a wide berth around landing zones and building locations. Having a hard, clean surface to start building on instead of soft regolith would help deal with the dust issue early on and cut down on future issues. Can also use this idea to plan out new bases and expansions, by building the roads and foundations first. Once the first roads get built, the machines can work from the road as they continue to build. Will never be a perfect solution, but much better than dealing with the dust directly.
who in the flyin fuck doesnt like Isaacs videos??????!!!!!!!!!!! this man is a national treaasure. one of the gems of our time. its funny to me thaat someone has the time or capacity to dislike anothers passion and interests. love you isaac.
I love this channel! Thank you for all your videos especially these about the moon. I've always been curious about how to live on the moon but never found a good source....until I found your channel. :)
Another excellent episode, tyvm! I was surprise you made such a compelling argument for all the mentioned resources but never really discussed He3; really kept it grounded in the current actual market - which is what will make/break any short/medium term attempts at industrializing the Moon. Btw: you wrote it "Octobber" in the end credits, please fix your template for next release! :)
A message from _First Church of the Moon:_ Have you accepted the teachings of Neil? Have you made YOUR one step? Join us as we prepare for the great GIANT LEAP!
@@deddbebbb5196 isn't it interesting that with a finite number of words in the English language, some people will end up using the same pair as someone else?
that's how it makes sense. Indeed with an "a". Lost in transmission? Idk. Based on the actual audio, it seems (to me) that Armstrong simply forgot that "a". A great moment, he is excited (compared to himself), and after the missing "a" he still kinda seems to be thinking how to finish his line. Armstrong also said that he had not planned his sentence in advance. He came up with it while going down the ladder. Based on all this, I think he made a minor language mistake. Anyway, the first human on Mars has great shoes to fill. th-cam.com/video/HCt1BwWE2gA/w-d-xo.html
That's actually not necessarily true it's a big argument between people and I think he said that there wasn't an a in the quote not 100 percent sure if that's true tho
@@brandonlee9747 yeah :- ) And not even the enemy (ussr) called it a lie. They chose NOT to use the greatest propaganda chance to ruin the image of the U.S. Because reasons. Fascinating! Any ideas why? Any evidence?
Another fantastic episode, thank you. While I hope we may see the fantastic visions of the future that Isaac speaks of I am far less optimistic when it comes to our chances. If building a civilisation is like playing Jenga the game gets horribly risky as you build higher. There will be a catastrophic collapse at some point. That being the case we are forever approaching that collapse and if we wish to survive as a (technological) species we really need to get building as many new towers as fast as possible... ...and that's where my pessimism for the future can be found. We just aren't doing anything with sufficient will or urgency to have any real hope of seeing such futures. More, instead of ensuring we have a bunch of towers as independent as possible here on Earth we persist in merging them together - all our eggs in just one corner of one basket. To give one example among very many NASA continues to behave as if we have hundreds of years and unlimited resources to get off this planet. It's like a pole-vaulter attempting to clear the bar by hiring a bunch of brick-layers to build a ramp. That's not a reasonable way to go pole-vaulting and it's likely the stadium lights will be turned out long before the ramp is complete. Maybe the solution to the Fermi Paradox is any civilisation capable of reaching the stars is one where it's inhabitants are so stifled by comfort they lack the enterprise to move with any urgency... in the meantime one of very many disasters catches up with said civilisation and the last thing anybody asks is "why didn't we try harder?"
I don't understand how you only have 570k subscribers Isaac! This is the best science and futurism chanel on TH-cam! I'm always looking forward to your new episodes!!
Great content as always 11:43 I was confused for a moment when you said "BreedeR reactoRs" since it didn't sound like you - the R's were completely normal.
As much as I’d like to me a Moonie, or a Lunar Comrade, I’m waiting for my brain to be uploaded to the internet. Then I can eventually explore the moon in a schismed identity piloting an excellent cyborg. Upon remerging, I will have the taste of regolith in my mouth!
Great episode Issac. Totally agree with you about the advantages of setting up bases and production facilities on the moon first. It's a logical way to test out technology for planetary exploration in our own neighborhood. The benefit of having real time conversations with earth cannot be underestimated especially if there's a crisis.
Moon dust is extremly sharp. It is perfect for making concrete. Lunar Concrete has the potential of being extremely strong. Lunar dust will be a major export in and of itself, or be the source of global concrete production. They make concrete, throw it on a mass driver back to Earth, time the landing perfectly and it all lands on-site by the ton.
@@friendlyone2706 I do know the idea of a hollow asteroid as a ship might be good, but at that point you might ask yourself if you can make concrete, is there a better material for the weight? I am not against concrete space ships. The concept is fun, and I am sure there might be a time where it would be a good idea. Concrete cargo ships were a thing in WWII due to a metal shortage. Lunar concrete ships would have to be either extremely cheap or the best alternative to whatever you normally make a ship out of.
@@NoobNoobNews I think they would go into the comparatively cheap category---no metal processing needed for much or it and reduced need to get items from earth plus not having to go hunting for the right asteroid.
Robotic construction on the Moon or Mars, because you're dealing with rock and dust, will likely require a human presence to perform constant maintenance of equipment, so the added investment of time, resources and training to support that human presence will likely hinder the cost and speed of any development. However, if we instead look to Venus and are able to develop modules with flexible chemical processing equipment that we can float in the Venus atmosphere, for gasses and various polymer building materials, then it may be easier to get by with a fully automated base assembly without the need for an initial human presence because we are mainly only dealing with gasses instead of rock. So, while development of Venus may lag behind the Moon and Mars initially and be hindered until we get such starter module and material substitutes worked out, I think it is possible the cost and speed of development of a Venus colony may actually be able to outperform the other two.
I've been watching your videos for awhile now. Let me say, you've definently improved your narration over the years and I appreciate the hard work you do to entertain us plebs and improve your speech. I wonder though, have you ever been to a speech therapist? I think going to one would really help you speak in the way that you want to. When I was in elementary school my parents made me go to a speech therapist because I wasn't pronouncing the letter "R" properly, just like you, and what I hear in your narration. I can't even tell you how much that lady helped me. There are exercises you can do and other tactics that make pronunciation SOOO much easier. Have you ever considered going to one? I'm telling you, it helped me so much. You can't even tell I had a speech impediment anymore, it's completely gone.
Let us not forget, the moon is a GIANT Geode. Likely filled with Green and Black crystals the size of houses or potentially sky scrapers. Its a giant rock that took millions of years to cool. This is likely why the moon rings like a bell simply because the insides of it have crystalized leaving hollow spots the size of cities completely lined with giant crystals. We could dig out the crystals to create crystal houses and skyscrapers.
As far as I am concerned, you could do much more frequent episodes about the Moon, ideally focusing on projects for this century. The hard part about the Moon is putting human biology there and keeping it healthy. The (relatively) easy part is putting machines there and teleoperating them from the Earth -- but that is a great topic, and is something many more viewers can hope to be involved with someday. There is valuable science and exploration to be done, luscious engineering and computer science, and a whole new world to play with... maybe from the comfort of your home.
Personally, I think it would likely be sufficient to do nothing but tele-operate machines. I don't see the point of going there in person, since the delay is so small. And by the time any lunar settlements are set up, we'll probably be able to exist as cyborgs or uploaded entirely into robotic bodies better able to handle the conditions, anyway...
@@thegreatdream8427 There will also be synthetic biology... Though I think there will be some Antarctica-style research bases on the Moon in this century, for current-model humans. Go up there and mostly hide underground for a few months.
Regarding Lunar Regolith as it is particularly a problem if you want to land a large rocket on the Moon harvesting it for raw resources might be a very good idea over the robotic phase. Probably a lot of science to glean there as it is the debris from ~4.5 billion years of bombardment. As for lunar infrastructure I particularly like the idea of a lunar space elevator built outwards from the Earth Moon Lagrange point. Also imagine if we turned the far side of the Moon into a radio telescope then used that scope to add it to the Event Horizon Telescope network That would give an effective aperture of the Earth Moon distance. :)
The round trip signal time between Earth and the moon is only about 2.6 seconds, so it should be possible to do everything from Earth without any manned voyages at all. The delay would take some getting used to, since you'd only receive signals from your telepresence-body 2.6 seconds after you make a motion with it, but I think theoretically it should be doable, particularly if a lot of specific motions are automated so that you don't have to personally follow through with the whole thing.
I read yesterday that MIT thinks they can build a functioning compact Tokomak fusion reactor by 2025...the size of a tennis court vs. ITER's soccer field size. I've heard of ITER since I was a kid in the 80s and it has always been a perpetual "a few more decades away." I hope they succeed. If they do manage to do it...that will be the game changer for inter-planetary (and moons) colonization.
First Rule of Warfare: If you want to fund moon development, use the various private companies and government agencies to start a reality show on the moon. Conflicts could be resolved by each one having their champions fight it out in an MMA match in a thunderdome built, again, on the moon.
i still to this day cant understand why we going to mars is more favourable then to moon first. buildung a Space station to all other Planets should be our First Goal and not to get into a Planet that is 6 Months away
They do want to go to the moon first, but the priority is mars cuz they want to search for life, it has atmosphere, could pottentially build a farm there with modified Martian dirt and in the polar ice caps it has dry ice, you could make fuel there, etc
@@outofcontext728 but moon is just 3 days away, wich is way closer. Can have a space station on it maybe Even a Shipyard build on. Also space tourism. Its a more attractive goal to have if you look for near future stuff.
Are we still planning to explore lunar lava tubes? the last thing i remember hearing was about 'moon diver' project that ended up being rejected. Anyone know if any other projects are in development?
Is there enough co2 and water ice at the poles for methalox rockets? We'd need at least kilotonnes to operate moonship, and we'd want megatonnes of water and ammonia ice to make colonies practical
@@stardolphin2 Those distances aren't analogous, the areas explored were still terrestrial (meaning they still had air, trees to cut down to repair the ships, wind for the sails, and ground to plant crops), and I don't want to repeat the casualty rate of 16th century explorers.
We are already making a lot of robotic construction and mining equipment so modifying it for use on the moon should be relatively easy. Open cast mines on the moon would not be a problem. As long as you can get a processing factory working there producing materials should not be an issue. The only real issues are transporting from earth and gravity on human bodies. It might be better to build a rotating station in orbit with remote control of equipment. Lunar dust may be an issue but you could use some method to glue it into large blocks for construction.
Although the magnetic dynamo of the moon "dried up" a long time ago, there ought to be deep subsurface heat of great capacity that could be used for power generator, so the need for solar power might only be temporary.
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In the shade the moon is cold. Using superconducting maglev sleds to launch makes sense with no wind drag and 1/6th gravity.
A screw like drill on a boat like design would work in the ocean, although a smooth shaft might be best, and I would expect the same in a (talcum powder)/(chalk dust) like ocean too.
Of course we need a catapult launcher on the Moon. Plus at least one extra one hidden at a secret location for when Mike the computer wakes up and leads us in our war for Lunar independence.
Q.E.D. Seriously, any Moon fan would know Heinlein's *The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress* by heart. That would be some shit if we turned the Moon into a prison colony.
not like we've been actively trying to for the first 4 999 959 of those years.... plus once we get good at doing it cheaply and safely....why should we snob planets??
i would like to see some discussion about using habitats orbiting the moon. Those can easily have 1G gravity. Since they could be very close to the moon, they could have very low communications with machines on the moon and trassportation between the moon and the orbiting habitat would be pretty inexpensive. I think that _most_ lunar devices can be controlled from the earth. Habitat based personal are a high cost/high value specialty resource.
Unless we're willing to squander VAST amounts of fuel and energy, there's no way we're going to build the infrastructure for a trip to Mars without building all the heavy stuff on the Moon.
Even more logic that points to there never being anyone going to the moon. Riiiight, we cant even get a camera put on the moon, aimed at earth.. Nooooo, but were gonna LIVE on mars.. LMAO. OK. One single hour of NASAs budget, they could 100% ANNIHILATE this flat earth stuff, AND ALLLL the moon landing deniers, there are alot, for grrat cause too, then we could ALLL AS ONE explore the cosmos, all naysayers aside.. But nooo... NASA wont. WHY?? Tell me.
@@brandonlee9747 Tell me, how exactly is NASA to "ANNIHILATE this flat earth stuff," with $22.5 Million? Thats not really a lot of money And, these days. You can't even by a modern military jet for that little. And assuming they somehow could do as you say with any amount of money, what's the argument for it being a useful employment of resources? I thought the purpose of NASA was to research and develop and commission technology for space exploration, not the education of idiots.
@@brandonlee9747 I don't have a position on whether nor how much Humanity has or has not benefited from NASA speeding, so why should I tell you amy such thing? I'm merely inquiring into your rather wild and ridiculous claim. Do you even know how to defend a claim? And by the way, how do you know the Earth is flat? How did you acquire and verify this knowledge?
I just had a great idea for solving the Fermi Paradox and had to come and talk about it. So I was talking to my flatmate about the lifespan of earth and our sun and how eventually we would have to colonize not just our solar system but neighbouring ones to survive ours suns demise however with fusion power you could actually survive without a sun. So if the natural progression is fusion for advanced civilizations perhaps they ARE everywhere but they are just not around stars anymore. We could simply be looking in the wrong place.
I was surprised near the end when you said AL not usable for rocket fuel. But I am assuming you meant controllable like liquid fuels. I still remember what happened with the Challenger disaster. It was my 30th birthday. 😔
You know after watching this and thinking about all this got me to think of a way to get rockets off of planets and or moons without fuel of course hypothetical and extremely unlikely but just throwing it out there that one day we need to find a way to use magnets like cogs in a machine that adjust direction of polarity based on what button you press on the ship cuase the magnets to connect and or disconnect with the geomagnetic field of the planet and or moon if of course they have a geomagnetic field then the ship would simply just shoot up into space because of magnetic repulsion thus eliminating fuel all together
I'm still wondering if those lunar lava tubes might prove to be an abundant source of water ice, besides being desirable habitat sites. We won't know until we check them out.
ISAAC, what is your opinion about which side of the moon should or should not be compromised in our quest to expand? Where I'm coming from with this is, to many people, the Moon is like any other sacred native burial space or Sacred Space otherwise use here on Earth. I can imagine looking up at the moon and seeing city lights. If I was on some other dual planet system, that might be exciting, and kind of romantic in and of itself, kind of like when you're driving through the country to your grandparents for Christmas, and you see all the lights on in all the windows of all the houses around you, and you know that there are people there, most of them having Christmas celebrations themselves, so you feel a weird commonality across the land. But when I think about looking up at the Moon from Earth and seeing human habitation up there, it destroys the romantic sacral image of the Moon that our species has known since before we were human. The Moon that I see when I look up is the same Moon that all of my dead friends and family ever saw whenever they looked up. It's comforting to me, in the sense that death can't take away all of our common shared experiences. If one day we look up at the Moon and it looks like looking down on Earth at night, with spider webs of highways and cities all over it, that will be the end of all of that. No one will ever again be able to look up at the Moon, and see what all of our Ancestors saw. No one will ever look up at the Moon with wonder and awe as a child, because they'll just look at it as another place that people can go to live and work. I realise this is entirely an argument from emotion, but many arguments over the maintenance of national and state parks, as well as Aboriginal sacred spaces, are entirely emotional. That does not make their arguments invalid. Just because one person wants to use the land as a continuing cemetery, while the other person wants to mine the corpse wax doesn't make the people who want the so-called progress of repurposing the land and the dead therein somehow better. I am fine with us using the far side of the Moon. No Ancestor of mine ever got to see it, with the possible exception of my dad being able to see fly by photographs and video. I realise the Earth facing side is going to be the most useful to us, as well as probably the better shaded side from various radiations, so my one thought about using the near side would be, simply make it so that you can't see the city lights and construction from Earth. Am I alone in worrying about these ideas?
If we only send robots to the Moon, we will not have returned to the Moon. If the robots are a prelude to a human presence, that's fine; but I am a little worried about it turning into a robots-only project. I'd like to go down into those lava tubes before robotic exploration has made them passé. I'd like to go down myself.
How big of a problem would moon dust be for solar arrays if they are a few hundred meters away from the nearest disturbances (eg. habitat)? Without atmosphere, there is little to carry the dust far from it's point of agitation.
I presume if we return to Luna that would be for either as a stepping stone towards to other worlds and/or as a Massive Mining Corporate investment {We gotta have *precious* Helium3} Would be extremely ironic if presence of liquid water found on moon just as it recently did on *Mars*
Is it precious if we don't need it and don't know what to do with it when we get it? Mind you, we're speaking of stage where fusion is still stuck. What is ironic in what was expected for decades? Not liquid on open surface obviously, but ice in surface layers.
@@TheArklyte The water is indeed liquid beneath the layers (at least for Mars) could be similiar for Luna Additionally the Helium3 could be a potential solution to oil crisis
@@thedoruk6324 Luna doesn't have even semblance of atmosphere unlike Mars. Nothing to stop temperature leak. What oil crisis? Energy one? It is already solved by renewables. Chemical industry one? I doubt you'd make polymers out of Helium 3;\ And no, even people working with fusion still have no practical solution or process that would make H3 viable.
I think we should start dismantling Mercury as soon as possible, and Luna is the perfect place for refining its raw materials into building products for Venus' artificial moon.
And as Kim Stanley Robinson showed us, it’s absolutely vital to keep single issue fanatics off the moon. Because eventually they’ll get tired of everyone ignoring their stupid, counterproductive arguments and resort to violence, aided by sympathizers here on Earth.
“The Chinese use two brush strokes to write the word 'crisis.' One brush stroke stands for danger; the other for opportunity. In a crisis, be aware of the danger--but recognize the opportunity.” ― John F. Kennedy
Oh wow, it's actually true. Crisis is "危機" (wēijī) and the latter character can be translated as "opportunity", although it's probably better understood as "crucial point".
Would laser defense against small asteroids make sense on the moon? Asteroids move predictably making them easy to track once you discover them and you wouldn't have an atmosphere interfering with the laser.
@SAW Gunner I was thinking more on the lines of maybe football sized rocks which could devastate moon infrastructure but defending Earth would be even cooler.
I hear lots of people vaguely claim we can practice for Mars on the moon, or "work the kinks out on the moon" to get ready for Mars. Specifically, what are these things that can be done on or going to the moon, that can't be done on Earth or Earth orbit or sitting at L1 for months? And no, making fuel for a Mars rocket does not count as an issue to work out.
These videos are so inspiring. Does anyone know if there are any sources somewhere? I'm looking especially for sources for the solar satellite episode and the upward bound series. Sometimes HE mentions some, but in some episodes there is no mention, and I would love to see if anyone already wrote a scientific paper about the topic or made some schematics or whatever. Can't wait to for next Thursday^^
¡To the MOOOON! Lunar colonization is the most important feat humankind will ever do, as it will open us the door to the stars, but it's often undervalued and overshadowed by Mars and other world colonies.
how can it be the most important if it merely opens for other things that are much greater
@@firedrive45 Because otherwise you never get to do those things,
Yep. But so many can't see the big picture. Man will not do anything significant until moon bases that can manufacture anything are made.
@@firedrive45 It's the launch pad. Harder to colonize than a rocky planet. We figure out how to farm and run self sustaining settlements on the moon, we can do it anywhere.
There no atmostphere so concepts like a space elevator and hyper loop space craft launches become possible.
That is why NASA is going back to the moon to stay there.
Got my theme appropriate snack and drink: Mooncake and Moonshine 😋
Sounds like the winning ticket for getting smashed.
No moonpie?
A potent mix
@@darkstorminc He is in Final Space.
HEY! I resemble this remark!
The interconnected base purpose tidbits reminded me of Artemis by Andy Weir. Namely that there was a huge industrial aluminum smelter that produced oxygen as a waste product, so aluminum production was also part of the life support system for the rest of the colony. Good book. :)
It's a wonderful book. Do you know whether he has another in the works?
@@okieinexile I haven't heard anything.
go artemis !
Ye yas@@okieinexile
All I was thinking when he was talking about the bases was about how they will probably NOT want to give birth in gravity that low and then drag the baby back to earth gravity. In fact the whole process of childbirth. Like. Holy moly. Please make this an episode I’m now so curious about how they will do this and other medical procedures in low-0 gravity.
I'd bet that some people can do it, others cannot. Eugenics time.
A woman who gets pregnant will be on the first shuttle out of there.
@@_Mentat Not if she's paid enough to stick around.
Whenever I come across people who are pessimistic about Humanities future I direct them towards Isaac Arthur for a healthier and more positive view point about our potential future.
That's all fine and dandy, but pessimistic world views are required if we want to survive. If no one points out a possible issue that can destroy us than if it actually happen we will not know how to deal with it. Even conspiracy theories are important to keep in mind, just in case.
@tinwoods Yo whadda ya seiin, words are GAAAAAAAAAY! (pronounce the Y as I for dramatic effect)
As it currently stands, a "robot" can almost never do a job "better". It can only be designed to do very specific things and if something unforseen happens, thats it. Astronauts could easily do more research within days than a rover could do in years.
I just looked up Happiness in the dictionary.
“The feeling you get when you remember its Thursday.”
*Arthursday.
Amen 🙏
You've heard it before and you'll hear this again. Nice opening music. It sets the tone.
It puts me in mind of the very fraught "Game of Thrones" opening theme
I agree that we should start with the Moon before Mars. I look forward to my Moon vacations. Maybe even purchase a Lunar timeshare.
Possible future topic: Water rights on the Moon
Subtopic: weapons on the Moon.
Lunar Law degree, I want one.
You know people on earth would eventually begin debating about wanting to cut off the parasitic moon colony. Then, after the colony is profitable, if ever, the colony will have debates about becoming independent of the earth.
You know you have a solid channel when you get a like before I even watch the episode, lol keep up the great work Isaac!
Id love to see an episode on battery technologies current and future
I really hope I'm around for this kind of stuff
When I first read the title for this video for some reason my brain read "Issac Arthur Returns to the Moon". I'm going back to bed.
👍😂🍻
As much as I love the lunar-centric episodes, I always find myself thinking "Tanstaafl" from the get-go
You bring tons of optimism and Interest back to moon development. Keep up the great work.
Today happens to be the Chinese Lunar Festival (aka Mid-Autumn or Moon Cake Festival), such a coincidence!
Enjoy the full moon tonight.
Happy Mid-Autumn!
中秋快乐！
This channel really is the most dedicated, detailed and discussive channel I've ever seen for space, and it makes me really happy to see a channel that can really delve into and help others appreciate not only the absolute wonder of space, but also the future of the human race as a whole through such deep dives!
Also deeply appreciate the captions for the video because although I can understand your speaking clearly, I prefer reading because it helps me stay focused and follow along better!
This is a great series, thanks guys.
Excited
Some rovers may need to be of a spider leg design for surveying rocky craters.
Nuclear SMRs and micro reactors would be perfect for these bases
I'm not the first to think of sintering the moon's surface for various reasons, but one of the first things we should do before moving there is to send a few machines to bake roads and foundations into the regolith with a wide berth around landing zones and building locations. Having a hard, clean surface to start building on instead of soft regolith would help deal with the dust issue early on and cut down on future issues. Can also use this idea to plan out new bases and expansions, by building the roads and foundations first. Once the first roads get built, the machines can work from the road as they continue to build. Will never be a perfect solution, but much better than dealing with the dust directly.
By StarTrek rules, the lava tubes are almost certainly filled with horse sized intelligent spiders.
who in the flyin fuck doesnt like Isaacs videos??????!!!!!!!!!!! this man is a national treaasure. one of the gems of our time. its funny to me thaat someone has the time or capacity to dislike anothers passion and interests. love you isaac.
I love this channel! Thank you for all your videos especially these about the moon. I've always been curious about how to live on the moon but never found a good source....until I found your channel. :)
I just woke up, and I had a dream where I was LIVING IN A MOON BASE ON THE MOON!
Coincidence?!
Also there was a Dave n busters on the moon
It wasn't a dream, it was a prophecy.
You were channeling alien consciousness from the spirit plane.
@Chad Dysvick That too.
Another excellent episode, tyvm! I was surprise you made such a compelling argument for all the mentioned resources but never really discussed He3; really kept it grounded in the current actual market - which is what will make/break any short/medium term attempts at industrializing the Moon. Btw: you wrote it "Octobber" in the end credits, please fix your template for next release! :)
A message from _First Church of the Moon:_
Have you accepted the teachings of Neil? Have you made YOUR one step? Join us as we prepare for the great GIANT LEAP!
Sounds about right.
the GREAT LEAP forward....famous quotations from chairman Mao
The Holy Trinity, Neil, Buzz, and Mike. In the name of the CDR, the LMP, and the CMP...
@@deddbebbb5196 isn't it interesting that with a finite number of words in the English language, some people will end up using the same pair as someone else?
@Charles Yuditsky or it is limited in size, by, say, the size of the mother's birth canal. 🤔
0:12 it’s actually “one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind” … the “a” got lost in transmission.
that's how it makes sense. Indeed with an "a". Lost in transmission? Idk. Based on the actual audio, it seems (to me) that Armstrong simply forgot that "a". A great moment, he is excited (compared to himself), and after the missing "a" he still kinda seems to be thinking how to finish his line. Armstrong also said that he had not planned his sentence in advance. He came up with it while going down the ladder. Based on all this, I think he made a minor language mistake. Anyway, the first human on Mars has great shoes to fill.
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One giant lie for mankind.
He said exactly that, it may not be obvious due to his accent but that's what the captions say
That's actually not necessarily true it's a big argument between people and I think he said that there wasn't an a in the quote not 100 percent sure if that's true tho
@@brandonlee9747 yeah :- ) And not even the enemy (ussr) called it a lie. They chose NOT to use the greatest propaganda chance to ruin the image of the U.S. Because reasons. Fascinating!
Any ideas why? Any evidence?
🤤 Pre liking this before I watch it shortly, been waiting for this particular topic/episode.
Got my drink and snack, I'm ready.
Smash the like button and hit Play
Another fantastic episode, thank you.
While I hope we may see the fantastic visions of the future that Isaac speaks of I am far less optimistic when it comes to our chances.
If building a civilisation is like playing Jenga the game gets horribly risky as you build higher. There will be a catastrophic collapse at some point. That being the case we are forever approaching that collapse and if we wish to survive as a (technological) species we really need to get building as many new towers as fast as possible...
...and that's where my pessimism for the future can be found. We just aren't doing anything with sufficient will or urgency to have any real hope of seeing such futures. More, instead of ensuring we have a bunch of towers as independent as possible here on Earth we persist in merging them together - all our eggs in just one corner of one basket.
To give one example among very many NASA continues to behave as if we have hundreds of years and unlimited resources to get off this planet. It's like a pole-vaulter attempting to clear the bar by hiring a bunch of brick-layers to build a ramp. That's not a reasonable way to go pole-vaulting and it's likely the stadium lights will be turned out long before the ramp is complete.
Maybe the solution to the Fermi Paradox is any civilisation capable of reaching the stars is one where it's inhabitants are so stifled by comfort they lack the enterprise to move with any urgency... in the meantime one of very many disasters catches up with said civilisation and the last thing anybody asks is "why didn't we try harder?"
I don't understand how you only have 570k subscribers Isaac! This is the best science and futurism chanel on TH-cam! I'm always looking forward to your new episodes!!
Great content as always
11:43 I was confused for a moment when you said "BreedeR reactoRs" since it didn't sound like you - the R's were completely normal.
I love this series!
As much as I’d like to me a Moonie, or a Lunar Comrade, I’m waiting for my brain to be uploaded to the internet. Then I can eventually explore the moon in a schismed identity piloting an excellent cyborg. Upon remerging, I will have the taste of regolith in my mouth!
Thank you Isaac Arthur. You give us hope.
Great episode Issac. Totally agree with you about the advantages of setting up bases and production facilities on the moon first. It's a logical way to test out technology for planetary exploration in our own neighborhood. The benefit of having real time conversations with earth cannot be underestimated especially if there's a crisis.
Oh the moonacy! Good show, keep up the great works!
Love that Atlantic seaboard accent. You are the best futurist on youtube.
He's from Ohio i'm pretty sure
Moon dust is extremly sharp. It is perfect for making concrete. Lunar Concrete has the potential of being extremely strong. Lunar dust will be a major export in and of itself, or be the source of global concrete production. They make concrete, throw it on a mass driver back to Earth, time the landing perfectly and it all lands on-site by the ton.
Concrete spaceships for long flights?
@@friendlyone2706 perhaps.
@@NoobNoobNews cheap shielding---if made in lunar orbit, concrete panels rail-launched near to the manufacturing orbit.
@@friendlyone2706 I do know the idea of a hollow asteroid as a ship might be good, but at that point you might ask yourself if you can make concrete, is there a better material for the weight? I am not against concrete space ships. The concept is fun, and I am sure there might be a time where it would be a good idea. Concrete cargo ships were a thing in WWII due to a metal shortage. Lunar concrete ships would have to be either extremely cheap or the best alternative to whatever you normally make a ship out of.
@@NoobNoobNews I think they would go into the comparatively cheap category---no metal processing needed for much or it and reduced need to get items from earth plus not having to go hunting for the right asteroid.
Excellent as always!
Love all of your work. Thank you for your insightful commentary. Truly mind expanding.
Robotic construction on the Moon or Mars, because you're dealing with rock and dust, will likely require a human presence to perform constant maintenance of equipment, so the added investment of time, resources and training to support that human presence will likely hinder the cost and speed of any development. However, if we instead look to Venus and are able to develop modules with flexible chemical processing equipment that we can float in the Venus atmosphere, for gasses and various polymer building materials, then it may be easier to get by with a fully automated base assembly without the need for an initial human presence because we are mainly only dealing with gasses instead of rock.
So, while development of Venus may lag behind the Moon and Mars initially and be hindered until we get such starter module and material substitutes worked out, I think it is possible the cost and speed of development of a Venus colony may actually be able to outperform the other two.
I've been watching your videos for awhile now. Let me say, you've definently improved your narration over the years and I appreciate the hard work you do to entertain us plebs and improve your speech. I wonder though, have you ever been to a speech therapist? I think going to one would really help you speak in the way that you want to. When I was in elementary school my parents made me go to a speech therapist because I wasn't pronouncing the letter "R" properly, just like you, and what I hear in your narration. I can't even tell you how much that lady helped me. There are exercises you can do and other tactics that make pronunciation SOOO much easier. Have you ever considered going to one? I'm telling you, it helped me so much. You can't even tell I had a speech impediment anymore, it's completely gone.
He has been using one for a while now.
Let us not forget, the moon is a GIANT Geode. Likely filled with Green and Black crystals the size of houses or potentially sky scrapers. Its a giant rock that took millions of years to cool. This is likely why the moon rings like a bell simply because the insides of it have crystalized leaving hollow spots the size of cities completely lined with giant crystals. We could dig out the crystals to create crystal houses and skyscrapers.
Damn. Still not the firstborn. Keep up the great work Isaac. Your work is a wonderful distraction.
As far as I am concerned, you could do much more frequent episodes about the Moon, ideally focusing on projects for this century.
The hard part about the Moon is putting human biology there and keeping it healthy. The (relatively) easy part is putting machines there and teleoperating them from the Earth -- but that is a great topic, and is something many more viewers can hope to be involved with someday. There is valuable science and exploration to be done, luscious engineering and computer science, and a whole new world to play with... maybe from the comfort of your home.
Personally, I think it would likely be sufficient to do nothing but tele-operate machines. I don't see the point of going there in person, since the delay is so small. And by the time any lunar settlements are set up, we'll probably be able to exist as cyborgs or uploaded entirely into robotic bodies better able to handle the conditions, anyway...
@@thegreatdream8427 There will also be synthetic biology... Though I think there will be some Antarctica-style research bases on the Moon in this century, for current-model humans. Go up there and mostly hide underground for a few months.
Regarding Lunar Regolith as it is particularly a problem if you want to land a large rocket on the Moon harvesting it for raw resources might be a very good idea over the robotic phase. Probably a lot of science to glean there as it is the debris from ~4.5 billion years of bombardment. As for lunar infrastructure I particularly like the idea of a lunar space elevator built outwards from the Earth Moon Lagrange point.
Also imagine if we turned the far side of the Moon into a radio telescope then used that scope to add it to the Event Horizon Telescope network That would give an effective aperture of the Earth Moon distance. :)
The round trip signal time between Earth and the moon is only about 2.6 seconds, so it should be possible to do everything from Earth without any manned voyages at all. The delay would take some getting used to, since you'd only receive signals from your telepresence-body 2.6 seconds after you make a motion with it, but I think theoretically it should be doable, particularly if a lot of specific motions are automated so that you don't have to personally follow through with the whole thing.
I read yesterday that MIT thinks they can build a functioning compact Tokomak fusion reactor by 2025...the size of a tennis court vs. ITER's soccer field size. I've heard of ITER since I was a kid in the 80s and it has always been a perpetual "a few more decades away." I hope they succeed. If they do manage to do it...that will be the game changer for inter-planetary (and moons) colonization.
Lmao fussion doesn't work
@@Azamat421 I would like you to meet my good friend, the ultimate life giver --> The Sun
First Rule of Warfare: If you want to fund moon development, use the various private companies and government agencies to start a reality show on the moon. Conflicts could be resolved by each one having their champions fight it out in an MMA match in a thunderdome built, again, on the moon.
i still to this day cant understand why we going to mars is more favourable then to moon first. buildung a Space station to all other Planets should be our First Goal and not to get into a Planet that is 6 Months away
They do want to go to the moon first, but the priority is mars cuz they want to search for life, it has atmosphere, could pottentially build a farm there with modified Martian dirt and in the polar ice caps it has dry ice, you could make fuel there, etc
@@outofcontext728 but moon is just 3 days away, wich is way closer. Can have a space station on it maybe Even a Shipyard build on. Also space tourism. Its a more attractive goal to have if you look for near future stuff.
Are we still planning to explore lunar lava tubes? the last thing i remember hearing was about 'moon diver' project that ended up being rejected. Anyone know if any other projects are in development?
Reading Heaven’s River. You have a striking resemblance to a certain professor character. I’m glad you’re a part of our collective lives. Take care.
Is there enough co2 and water ice at the poles for methalox rockets? We'd need at least kilotonnes to operate moonship, and we'd want megatonnes of water and ammonia ice to make colonies practical
Moon first, then Mars. Once we have an industrial infrastructure in space, exploration and colonization become orders of magnitude easier.
Parallel. European exploration used improved sailing ships, but didn't wait for the similar advantages of the technology of steamships...
@@stardolphin2 Those distances aren't analogous, the areas explored were still terrestrial (meaning they still had air, trees to cut down to repair the ships, wind for the sails, and ground to plant crops), and I don't want to repeat the casualty rate of 16th century explorers.
@@Jacob-pu4zj ikr these space cadets
THAT THUMBNAIL DOE
Love this shit
Nice. Chinese Lunar Year holiday and a topic on the moon.
We are already making a lot of robotic construction and mining equipment so modifying it for use on the moon should be relatively easy.
Open cast mines on the moon would not be a problem. As long as you can get a processing factory working there producing materials should not be an issue.
The only real issues are transporting from earth and gravity on human bodies. It might be better to build a rotating station in orbit with remote control of equipment.
Lunar dust may be an issue but you could use some method to glue it into large blocks for construction.
Heard 'nuclear research on the moon' and immediately had that scene from The Time Machine pop into my head.
Although the magnetic dynamo of the moon "dried up" a long time ago, there ought to be deep subsurface heat of great capacity that could be used for power generator, so the need for solar power might only be temporary.
In the shade the moon is cold. Using superconducting maglev sleds to launch makes sense with no wind drag and 1/6th gravity.
Great episode, We can go to Mars all we want but the Moon is critical to being successful off Earth
A screw like drill on a boat like design would work in the ocean, although a smooth shaft might be best, and I would expect the same in a (talcum powder)/(chalk dust) like ocean too.
Of course we need a catapult launcher on the Moon. Plus at least one extra one hidden at a secret location for when Mike the computer wakes up and leads us in our war for Lunar independence.
Q.E.D. Seriously, any Moon fan would know Heinlein's *The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress* by heart. That would be some shit if we turned the Moon into a prison colony.
Artemis 2024? I do wait for that but... I am not certain if it will happen in time, or happen at all.
6:27 Actually... Necessity is the mother of Necessity Jr. (Johnny Hart)
I'm so over mars, 5 million years scratching our way out of the gravity well and people want to drop into the next one we come across.
No you're not, stop lying. You will watch the first crewed mission to Mars and you will be excited.
not like we've been actively trying to for the first 4 999 959 of those years.... plus once we get good at doing it cheaply and safely....why should we snob planets??
"Producing plutonium-238...is a potential boom market..." *Ba-dum-tish!
The Moonies will at least be true to the 2A.
i would like to see some discussion about using habitats orbiting the moon. Those can easily have 1G gravity. Since they could be very close to the moon, they could have very low communications with machines on the moon and trassportation between the moon and the orbiting habitat would be pretty inexpensive. I think that _most_ lunar devices can be controlled from the earth. Habitat based personal are a high cost/high value specialty resource.
We need a nice long video that requires a drink and a snack
Unless we're willing to squander VAST amounts of fuel and energy, there's no way we're going to build the infrastructure for a trip to Mars without building all the heavy stuff on the Moon.
Even more logic that points to there never being anyone going to the moon. Riiiight, we cant even get a camera put on the moon, aimed at earth.. Nooooo, but were gonna LIVE on mars.. LMAO. OK.
One single hour of NASAs budget, they could 100% ANNIHILATE this flat earth stuff, AND ALLLL the moon landing deniers, there are alot, for grrat cause too, then we could ALLL AS ONE explore the cosmos, all naysayers aside.. But nooo... NASA wont. WHY?? Tell me.
@@brandonlee9747
Tell me, how exactly is NASA to "ANNIHILATE this flat earth stuff," with $22.5 Million? Thats not really a lot of money And, these days. You can't even by a modern military jet for that little. And assuming they somehow could do as you say with any amount of money, what's the argument for it being a useful employment of resources? I thought the purpose of NASA was to research and develop and commission technology for space exploration, not the education of idiots.
@@horsemumbler1 I think this thread warrants a "Well, THAT escalated quickly!"
@@horsemumbler1 so tell me, what has humanity benefited from all that money spent? I know the earth is flat, by the way. Im sorry if You dont.
@@brandonlee9747
I don't have a position on whether nor how much Humanity has or has not benefited from NASA speeding, so why should I tell you amy such thing?
I'm merely inquiring into your rather wild and ridiculous claim. Do you even know how to defend a claim?
And by the way, how do you know the Earth is flat? How did you acquire and verify this knowledge?
I just had a great idea for solving the Fermi Paradox and had to come and talk about it. So I was talking to my flatmate about the lifespan of earth and our sun and how eventually we would have to colonize not just our solar system but neighbouring ones to survive ours suns demise however with fusion power you could actually survive without a sun. So if the natural progression is fusion for advanced civilizations perhaps they ARE everywhere but they are just not around stars anymore. We could simply be looking in the wrong place.
*grabs snacks and drink* another fine video to listen to :)
How about a tunnel boring machine that we could use to both make tunnel habitats and use the materials we tunnel out .
Love the theme tune for this series.
I was surprised near the end when you said AL not usable for rocket fuel. But I am assuming you meant controllable like liquid fuels. I still remember what happened with the Challenger disaster.
It was my 30th birthday. 😔
You know after watching this and thinking about all this got me to think of a way to get rockets off of planets and or moons without fuel of course hypothetical and extremely unlikely but just throwing it out there that one day we need to find a way to use magnets like cogs in a machine that adjust direction of polarity based on what button you press on the ship cuase the magnets to connect and or disconnect with the geomagnetic field of the planet and or moon if of course they have a geomagnetic field then the ship would simply just shoot up into space because of magnetic repulsion thus eliminating fuel all together
The Luna factory must grow.
I'm still wondering if those lunar lava tubes might prove to be an abundant source of water ice, besides being desirable habitat sites. We won't know until we check them out.
ISAAC, what is your opinion about which side of the moon should or should not be compromised in our quest to expand? Where I'm coming from with this is, to many people, the Moon is like any other sacred native burial space or Sacred Space otherwise use here on Earth. I can imagine looking up at the moon and seeing city lights. If I was on some other dual planet system, that might be exciting, and kind of romantic in and of itself, kind of like when you're driving through the country to your grandparents for Christmas, and you see all the lights on in all the windows of all the houses around you, and you know that there are people there, most of them having Christmas celebrations themselves, so you feel a weird commonality across the land. But when I think about looking up at the Moon from Earth and seeing human habitation up there, it destroys the romantic sacral image of the Moon that our species has known since before we were human. The Moon that I see when I look up is the same Moon that all of my dead friends and family ever saw whenever they looked up. It's comforting to me, in the sense that death can't take away all of our common shared experiences. If one day we look up at the Moon and it looks like looking down on Earth at night, with spider webs of highways and cities all over it, that will be the end of all of that. No one will ever again be able to look up at the Moon, and see what all of our Ancestors saw. No one will ever look up at the Moon with wonder and awe as a child, because they'll just look at it as another place that people can go to live and work. I realise this is entirely an argument from emotion, but many arguments over the maintenance of national and state parks, as well as Aboriginal sacred spaces, are entirely emotional. That does not make their arguments invalid. Just because one person wants to use the land as a continuing cemetery, while the other person wants to mine the corpse wax doesn't make the people who want the so-called progress of repurposing the land and the dead therein somehow better. I am fine with us using the far side of the Moon. No Ancestor of mine ever got to see it, with the possible exception of my dad being able to see fly by photographs and video. I realise the Earth facing side is going to be the most useful to us, as well as probably the better shaded side from various radiations, so my one thought about using the near side would be, simply make it so that you can't see the city lights and construction from Earth. Am I alone in worrying about these ideas?
If we only send robots to the Moon, we will not have returned to the Moon. If the robots are a prelude to a human presence, that's fine; but I am a little worried about it turning into a robots-only project. I'd like to go down into those lava tubes before robotic exploration has made them passé. I'd like to go down myself.
True. We need to live in space!
Would glass dome be too dangerous? I mean, apart from micro meteorite coming down there's high radiation from space.
One of these days Lucy... Bam! Boom! Straight to the moon.
14:00 the radiators for the nuclear plant would get coated in dust. Could be roughly an equal problem to solar collecting panels getting dusty.
How big of a problem would moon dust be for solar arrays if they are a few hundred meters away from the nearest disturbances (eg. habitat)?
Without atmosphere, there is little to carry the dust far from it's point of agitation.
Still a problem, although it would help. With low gravity and no atmosphere, any dust that gets kicked up goes a long way. It's worse than glitter.
I presume if we return to Luna that would be for either as a stepping stone towards to other worlds and/or as a Massive Mining Corporate investment {We gotta have *precious* Helium3}
Would be extremely ironic if presence of liquid water found on moon just as it recently did on *Mars*
Thank you for calling it Luna. I'm getting tired of calling our moon Moon.
@@khumokwezimashapa2245 Agreed
Is it precious if we don't need it and don't know what to do with it when we get it? Mind you, we're speaking of stage where fusion is still stuck.
What is ironic in what was expected for decades? Not liquid on open surface obviously, but ice in surface layers.
@@TheArklyte The water is indeed liquid beneath the layers (at least for Mars) could be similiar for Luna
Additionally the Helium3 could be a potential solution to oil crisis
@@thedoruk6324 Luna doesn't have even semblance of atmosphere unlike Mars. Nothing to stop temperature leak.
What oil crisis? Energy one? It is already solved by renewables. Chemical industry one? I doubt you'd make polymers out of Helium 3;\ And no, even people working with fusion still have no practical solution or process that would make H3 viable.
I think we should start dismantling Mercury as soon as possible, and Luna is the perfect place for refining its raw materials into building products for Venus' artificial moon.
Two full moons this month the Harvest Moon tonight and the Hunter's Moon on Halloween. A old song title "Shine on Harvest Moon".
And as Kim Stanley Robinson showed us, it’s absolutely vital to keep single issue fanatics off the moon. Because eventually they’ll get tired of everyone ignoring their stupid, counterproductive arguments and resort to violence, aided by sympathizers here on Earth.
“The Chinese use two brush strokes to write the word 'crisis.' One brush stroke stands for danger; the other for opportunity. In a crisis, be aware of the danger--but recognize the opportunity.”
― John F. Kennedy
2020, the year where bots will finally be able to get top comments under every video...
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Oh wow, it's actually true. Crisis is "危機" (wēijī) and the latter character can be translated as "opportunity", although it's probably better understood as "crucial point".
Ironic...
"Never let a good crisis go to waste."
- Rahm Emanuel
@@uss-dh7909 wasn't Churchill credited to that one?
13:32 - "....and it gets everywhere..."
Would laser defense against small asteroids make sense on the moon? Asteroids move predictably making them easy to track once you discover them and you wouldn't have an atmosphere interfering with the laser.
@SAW Gunner I was thinking more on the lines of maybe football sized rocks which could devastate moon infrastructure but defending Earth would be even cooler.
So, something like like the scenery of Rockwell´s Moon would be ideal.
I don’t know why anyone dislikes your videos
I hear lots of people vaguely claim we can practice for Mars on the moon, or "work the kinks out on the moon" to get ready for Mars. Specifically, what are these things that can be done on or going to the moon, that can't be done on Earth or Earth orbit or sitting at L1 for months? And no, making fuel for a Mars rocket does not count as an issue to work out.
These videos are so inspiring.
Does anyone know if there are any sources somewhere? I'm looking especially for sources for the solar satellite episode and the upward bound series. Sometimes HE mentions some, but in some episodes there is no mention, and I would love to see if anyone already wrote a scientific paper about the topic or made some schematics or whatever.
Can't wait to for next Thursday^^
Why is there an airship at 9:25? In the background, the star shaped thing, it's from an orbital airship project by JP aerospace.