Does it work? Ingenuity Precision Powder Reloading System
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Ok John now that you used the V4 and the Ingenuity if you had no powder thrower what one would you bye.
Varget and H4350 usually works great with most powder throw in the market now. I think we would more likely to see you testing it with either very fine powder like CFE 223 and very big kernels powder like N570. Especially N570, it’s a very painful to run it in most powder throw machine on the market.
Not so much in the Super Trickler
@@justice1327 Wow, sorry to hear that
I'll see if any of my friends have either of those to try
@@willxu08 yeah I actually just contacted Rex and because there are issues even warranty disputes because you use a fine powder it has problems working as well. About 50% of the powders I use are fine ball powders.
@@justice1327 Wait till 3.0 comes out. I just ran 50 charges of Varget at 8 secs at 92%. I ran 10 of H4350 at 100% (low number but never gotten 100% before). Still this system is going to do very well.
Can't wait, Paul has gotten me sorted, so can't wait until it comes out.
Awesome.
Very informative video. Thank you John.
Glad it was helpful!
Aaaaaand pre-ordered. This looks so much faster than the AT4, which is also great. Excited to compare them head-to-head. The real test will be with N570 for my Norma haha
I'm borrowing some 570 and CFE223 from a friend next week and will test it. Those seem to be two of the more requested powders that people want to see.
Good stuff! Thanks@@FClassJohn
It seems less a pain in the butt than the V4. I have a hell of a time with 4350. Tried shimming the back tried adjusting here and there. Just beyond frustrating.
Were you told how many will be produced? Got a preorder in today but might be 150-200 in line. Unfortunately not a lot of communication coming from the owner :(
Orders started at 269XX
I just ordered and am 450 back from 269xx, so it could be a long wait for me.
I image the owner is focused on getting this stuff out on the timeline he indicated. I'd much rather he be doing that then fielding a bunch of questions that folks like John seem more than willing to answer.
Do you think it’s worth the more than 2X cost vs the autotrickler V4?
For pure speed and accuracy, yes.
I have a V3, this is faster. The V4 is slower than the V3. The AutoTricklers are great systems, but all of these systems are only as good and fast as the scale.
If money is no option, sure, buy this. If you have a Autotrickler and need the extra speed, buy this. If you dont have anything, but want accuracy with a little less speed, buy the Autotrickler. If you need accuracy but need to break the cost up, buy the FX120i now, the Hornady vibrating trickler, which work quite well together, and then make the decision of the Ingenuity vs the Autotrickler later.
Nice product. $995 + Shipping + Scale is too rich for me.
Well... we watched the SuperTrickler videos also but that did not work out very well, so far... Is this going to be any better??
"did not work out very well, so far" compared to what? the SuperTrickler is still an excellent system and while some of the firmware versions may have had issues, it will get better. The IP system is a different design and eliminates some of the issues that all of the others have. The simplicity of the IP system is IMO its biggest asset. What's to break over the life of it? the O ring and the controller, that's pretty much it and either of those are dead easy to fix/replace.
Given the success of all the users with the stand alone trickler he offers, I'm pretty optimistic he'll deliver as advertised but I also understand people may be understandably hesitant.
What would happen if you tried throwing a 75gn charge with the smaller bushing installed? Thanks!
It works, just takes a hair longer because less powder comes out.
What the the success rate and what is average throw time over say 100 charges? I have 2 ST and have 2 of these on preorder but if its that fast an accurate, I dont see how I would need 2 of them?
Thanks John,
Which thrower would you recommend as you have tried all of the different types
Have a great Christmas
Curious to see how it is with ramshot
wow, looks very simple to use... be interesting to see their price point vs the Autotrickler and Supertrickler.
They're definitely at the top. It's going to retail for $995.
@@FClassJohn ouch... honestly think the wheels are off on some of these prices...
we as sport must be careful to kill our own sport by over pricing things out of our own hands/affordability, one of those making it a bit more affordable will actually allow more to take part, in the end a total healthier industry.
This or SuperTrickler do you like more? Thanks
Same question I have. 🤔
Could you test it with a tiny charge? I just got a creedmoor scale. I want to get this and load 17 hornet which is 12.5 gr cfe blk.
I have CFE223 and N570 I'll be testing soon.
Hey John
Are you still happy with this setup?
100%
Thank you. Going to get on the list
If the profile saves the charge weight, then can we change the weight without having to re-calibrate for that powder? Like say you're doing ladder testing loads, how does that work in practice?
Correct, the profile stores the calibration and the last used charge weight but doesn't care if you change the charge weight next time you use the profile.
@@FClassJohn Perfect, nice to know I can just use one profile per powder if I like.
John, I plan on using mine with a satorius, I see you have some accessories for your satorius like a centering piece and some sort of shield adapter to put the a&d shield on. Wondering where you sorced those?
They're available when you pre-order the unit ingenuityprecision.com/product/ingenuity-powder-system/
@@FClassJohn well that looks to be an option only if you buy the satorius from him. I guess I'll email him
@@somedude5713 I just talked to him. He's adding the shield for the Satorius today.
I’m on preorder and planning on using with the creedmoor scale I already have. Didn’t see a draft shield for the creedmoor scale. Which one do I need?
There's an option on his pre-order for the creed moor draft shield. It got added not long ago.
I see it now. thank you. @@FClassJohn
What is that other scale?
Does anyone know what disk will come in the 3 pack, pre order doesn’t show the info unless I missed it
I can't guarantee it but he's said it will probably come with 7545, 508, 567 which are the same three the stand alone trickler unit comes with. Here's a chart ingenuityprecision.com/instructions/
Thank You
@@FClassJohn
I see a Tube on the SAC Funnel. Do you have Info on that?
THX!!
That's funny. Someone else asked me about that. It's not easy to find on their site. shortactioncustoms.com/product/sac-modular-funnel-1-250-extension/
Thanks John. I noticed you only used the app and there was a cable on the phone, but it also showed the phone in airplane mode so was the cable plugged into the trickler or just a power cable and if so how was it talking to the unit if you were in airplane mode. Maybe you could explain the options for how to interface with it?
The cord on my phone was simply to keep it charged while I was recording. Screen record on my phone sucks a ton of power out. And the last thing I would want is to suddenly have it stop recording while I’m in the middle of something.
It connects to the controller unit through Bluetooth.
@@FClassJohn excellent info, thanks that's exactly what I was hoping for.
Could you do a video on changing the drop tube?
I actually covered it in this video here th-cam.com/video/LTkeruS0mqE/w-d-xo.html
Can I ask, which powder do you like for 7mm PRC?
VihtVuori N555
It would be nice if the app told you which profile you were throwing for. As a reminder to make sure you’re doing it right
Yeah that's coming. I already pointed that out and they're making the addition.
I'm pretty sure I'd notice if it wasn't throwing the right amount of grains or in the expected timeframe but yeah more info is good.
@@jeffb.3052 it’s not that you wouldn’t notice that it was throwing the correct amount, but rather you mistakenly selected the Varget profile and you’re actually using H4350 but you could still throw 42 grains.
@@justice1327 exactly my point, it would still throw the correct amount, might just take it a bit longer. well assuming the bulk drop wasn't way off via the wrong profile.
@@jeffb.3052 yes, I agree. It is the profile I am suggesting be shown as you dispense the powder.
Anybody need a Supertrickler 🤣
Yeah if this thing works out I can see a bunch of folks getting other units used for some pretty good discounts over new which will of course put them into a price point that some can afford or justify spending.
@@jeffb.3052 I sold my AutoTrickler 4 for within $20 of what I paid for it when the Supertrickler came out. Probably won’t be quite so lucky this time around.
How much for complete setup?
ingenuityprecision.com/product/ingenuity-powder-system/
So it won't work without an I phone?
The phone app is secondary and not required for operation. That’s what I really like about this system. For me personally, I’d rather use the controller and not have to use my phone. Nearly every control is the same on both of them but as I’ve said before, there are a few things that are easier to do on the controller and a few things that are easier on the app so there is a little give-and-take, but the phone is definitely not necessary.
@FClassJohn I definitely like that option. That's what turns me off to the other one from Canada. It's a fantastic trickler, but I don't want to have to depend on an app on a platform to allow me to load ammo.
How much are they?
$995
$995 for the complete unit (but he has scale/powder system bundles) as well ingenuityprecision.com
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Why not save a lot of money and just get a autotrickler or a supertrickler or even a matchmaster ?
Because for many of us time is the most precious thing we have. Aside from time being money... Every minute I spend not cleaning up or otherwise messing with powder or trying to get it calibrated is time I can be doing something else. Including actually loading rounds.
I wish I knew what to do. Ordered a Supertrickler based on John’s review. I and other owners in the Supertrickler site are becoming increasingly frustrated with that system. Is this system going to be as advertised or are there problems that haven’t been identified yet? Sounds like IP really improved the autotrickler so that provides some good history for this brand of products. I just don’t want to make another expensive mistake.
@jeffreykoski1074 I am very happy with my auto trickler v4 , I have only had it since June but so far so good. That green light is oddly satisfying as well .
@@jeffreykoski1074 well ST should have some goodness coming with v3.x firmware but that only helps with charges and who knows how far out it is from release. I've heard that v2.20 was fine for the most part but versions after it were causing frustration. Firmware can't solve some of the design issues that all horizontal tube tricklers have which is spilled powder. That's not an AT or ST issue, it's simple physics. I use a lot of ball powders and some like H380 are round so of course round balls in a rotating or vibrating round tube leaves potential for spilled powder whereas a drop system like the IP uses for both bulk and trickle control this leaving bounce or user error as the only way you're going to get powder anywhere except the cup. If I only loaded stick powder, not sure I'd care and those are less $.