Eagle bus over weight axle, suspension problems, almost no oil in a hub & other inspection problems
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- This 45’ eagle bus is a massive bus coming in at nearly 50k lbs. The bad Kingpins and other front end problems are just the tip of the iceberg when we get into the inspection. It is still owned by the original owners that consigned it to be built in the mid 90’s.
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That just blows me away that someone was able to start with a pile of steel and end up with a complete Eagle “replica”. What a cool bus!
The gentleman that built that is really talented nice job. Thank you for sharing that bus with us
NoooooOOO .. Not really! DId anyone have any consideration for gross weight? Did all suspension parts get upgraded? nuh uh.
It’s impressive that it’s vaguely bus shaped. But not being able to hold its own weight safely is beyond amateurish.
@@fmccloud It very easily could have been overloaded after it was built
Keeping your customers safe.👍
When i heard the front axle weight i was shocked.
@@BusGreaseMonkey yeah that gut check makes one reference his own liability insurance limitations. Good job catching this one.
That kingpin is one hell of a chunk of steel. It's amazing a puny brass bushing could beat it up that badly even without grease. It's fortunate he never had a gung ho scale officer compare his tire ratings to his steer axle weights. He'd have been put out of service immediately until he got stouter tires. I had the tire ratings checked only twice in 21 years OTR.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nice to see most of the pivot areas had seen a grease gun. It’s amazing that hub didn’t burn up with no oil in it. Hub oil seems to be a struggle for quite a few of your customers
Always a great day when a new video drops. Thanks a bunch.
Beautiful bus! I always loved the eagle bus style. It’s dated now but still a great design. Nice work!
That's just amazing. Built independantly from the ground up
Drove 1980 (I think) Silver Eagle for the local college. Had 6V92 in it. Not sure what all the mechanic did to it, but that bus would fly down the highway. Smooth riding and easy to drive.
Now that's what you call a custom coach
Are you able to contact the guy that built it for the details about the bus ? You all have done a great job for this bus owner.
The only person who I trust 100%
With my eyes closed is You with my 1992 Silver Eagle Motorcoach
There was a horrible accident this week on I-5 north of Seattle. Not the front tire blowout but running into a semi-truck getting over. Not much left of the RV. Folks in RV was taken to the hospital after being extracted.
At the beginning, this tail pipe, this sound ❤
What a beautiful bus I love it
Nice bus,and a real bath tub too!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Some of the first Wonderlodge LXIs were heavy on the front end . Rockwell upgraded the axels. Not before some bad things happened. Sealed. Our LX is 40,000 lbs. I had our transmission oil analyzed. Had that fine film of metal. Came back normal use. Automatic on a 25 ton coach. Amazing
The BMC's allegedly had a recall due to being underequipped for the axle weight. I need to visually check my axle assembly tags to verify I have the correct axles for my 37' single-rear axle.
I own one of the 450's Chris. All were weighed at the factory, updated tie rods, changed the air suspension, moved the generator from the nose to the third road side bay, and in 2015 Bluebird updated the fronts to 365's. It's a great coach that ganders stares wherever we go.
@@DLTJR1959 that’s right. I forgot about the generator move. Sweet coaches. I saw the axel swap letter from Rockwell. On the WOG somewhere. Some LX were on the list. I have no idea why. We’ve had the entire front end gone over. A scratch built coach is crazy. It’s incredible.
Nice work!
Scott that was one nice bus.
Beautiful Eagle
Nice looking rig.
Nice LOOKING yes. Overweight causing premature damage? Absolutely.
Bushings worn out like an old lot lizard 🦎 lol
Great info
That bus is decked out to the max
Nice Rig 👌
hopefully the steer tire was installed on the good side , there is a steer rotation tire arrow on that tire
We got it out. Sounds like a line from Matt's off road recovery.😁
Saludos desde Lerma México 👋👋👋👍👍👍👍
Man I miss them tapered king pins ,never had one rusted or seized
We struggled with these
Looks like a nice thick granite worktop inside.
Euclid makes a tool for knocking out S-cam bushings on trailer axles. It might work for you on these types of bushings.
Ya never know
I’m sure you’ve explained it, but if I recall, motorcoaches can put more on their steer axle than tractor trailers. I’m familiar with 12/34/34 (also counting tandems as one, apparently weighed separately on coaches). Seems the tag axle isn’t pulling its weight, and being in front of the drive, air it up a bit and it should take some weight off the steers. Let’s see how this whole ‘commenting before watching’ thing goes, shall we? 😁.
You are correct sir. Old triaxle dump truck trick. Before the drives tag takes weight off steer. After drives increases overall bridge weight and adda weight to steers.
Just watch for DOT scales that split weighs drive axles. You could get an overweight ticket on the tag.
Tire weight rating is a thing as well.
If they are picky enough.
I just bought the makita 18v grease gun for my MC8.
How do you like the makita? I went with milwaukee and on cold mornings I have it setting on the running engine for 15 minutes or it ain't gonna pump nuttin in my mc9 😉
@@joshuacatron2 A thought, kind sir... IF, (and I understand all the reasons why not) you could perform grease maintenance upon return from a trip. All your grease zerk points would be warm and more willing to accept fresh grease. This is from my former Father-in-Law who was many things, including a farmer. He treated all his equipment in this manner and rarely had a failure of one of these components. Be well, be safe!
4:34 you can see the oil. It's the blue haze. Very characteristic of gear oil.
keep the clips coming
Modern phones and tiny cameras must make seeing into those dark corners so much easier than trying to get one's head into a tiny gap. Poke the camera in, take a bit of video and then look at the recording when sitting up the right way in comfort.
19:50 abr. A steer tire blowout is very bad. The bus will likely end up on its side in a ditch: This maybe what happened to my mother and aunt-in-law when riding a tour bus in Uruguay in the mid 1990s.
I've now talked my 85 year old mom about bus crash with a better description. She and my aunt-in-law were riding near the middle of the bus. The bus driver was trying to avoid some traffic incident when my mother concluded he wasn't able to brake normally and heard the engine rev up very high and the bus driver didn't appear to be able to steer the bus. The steering wheel didn't seem to be effective. The bus then spun around facing the other direction into the ditch and ended up on its side.
I wouldn't conduct a credible forensic investigation based on my mother testimony, she gets subjects, objects and words confused and then doubles down on the mistaken tangents, but the prominent high noise seeming to be an over reving of the engine to me would indicate the driver didn't have normal friction braking so in desperation he downshifted missing a normal braking downshift and hitting a very low gear both by accident and typically not possible causing the rear drive wheels to brake heavy losing traction allowing the bus to spin. Lack of steering control still indicates a possible front tire blowout. That would also greatly decrease braking ability causing the driver to resort to trying to use the engine for braking.
Some agricultural workers in the nearby fields came to the bus and broke into it through the roof likely hatches and dragged my mother and other people out onto the surface where they laid for a long time for emergency services to show up. The bus was full. My aunt-in-law died before arriving at the hospital. She was the only person my mother knows to have died. She didn't appear to try to hold on like my mother was doing ending up being thrown into and crushed in the overhead luggage compartment.
My mother came back to the USA shortly after that, but her brother went to the meetings where the bus company was being sued and talked to some of the other people that were on it. Many of the people forward of my mother had broken bones.
It came out it was the last trip of the tourist season for the bus and driver. The talk was the bus company had deferred maintenance till the end of the tourist season and the bus was poorly maintained.
Unlike a blowout on a truck or car a blowout on a front steer tire of a typical travel bus with high profile tires might put the bus on the frame and undercarriage. If that takes place it would be far more disruptive than a typical blowout where the vehicle is still able to roll on.
I hated riding on the school bus because the hot humid temperatures of N.VA with no A/C and jousting ride of the truck based school bus would make me motion sick and nauseous after 5 - 10 minutes. It was meditative survival mode after that and recovery for a while afterwards.
The reason I heard why we couldn't use motor couch buses for longer school trips was they didn't meet crash worthiness and rollover requirements. I thought they were just trying to save money over my wellness, but I've see now school buses survive rollovers and crashes well and most travel buses don't.
A Provost or MCI motor couch chassis is hugely safer than a typical RV motorhome. I've heard former owners interviewed of million dollar production RV motorhome after deciding to pay more to get Prevost based motorhome describe their past experience as fiberglass, calk and a steering wheel with abysmal customer support.
Thats insane!
He "hired a guy" to weld it all together, which was "pretty amazing" until it was grossly overweight which would forever cause problems because.. HEY!! It's ... OVERWEIGHT! . D'oh! D'oh! D'oh!
Detroit Model 5 steer axles are good for 16000 to 23,000 lbs
Now that's a guy that wants an Eagle. That's cool 😎
for sure ,, and having it custom built means it isn't rotted away like so many eagle buses are ,, here in iowa they are very rare due to the road salt used here
@@wildcoyote34 I do like the Eagle buses, I always wondered why they started putting caps on the front, I dig the little bump up with a window, kind of like the GM Buffalo buses. I studied up on all kinds, when I was looking for one, and being a car guy didn't help lol.
@@bill8582 i like the GM buffalo buses , never found one yet ,, i own a silversides bus myself currently and more recently a later model MCI-9 which i'm currently rebuilding the engine on ,,,it's a frigging nightmare because they removed the 8V92 and replaced it with a 3406E CAT which is a frigging mess ,, they have the wiring all fucked up cause some amateur electrician who i think was blind with no thumbs or something cobbled it all to hell ,,i have so far made an almost entirely new wire loom for this thing
I don't know whose supplying the ATF but it's time to up the game to TES-668. It the latest and greatest ATF standard from Allison and, believe it or not, it's less expensive than TES-295. I paid $38 per gallon recently.
US 61 runs through my home town.
Hello Scott
Interesting bus.
The 365 tires will need the wider rims to attain full weight rating.
The driveline retarder may be a Telma....sometimes mounted on rear axel housing or up in middle of driveline like a midship bearing location.
Massive weight because it acts as an eddy current heat sink
Maybe remove it to save weight if not being used? Jakes are so much better!
Usually found on transit buses and fire appratus.....
Kind of kidding:
Replace it with a generator/motor and batteries - and u have the first 2 stroke diesel hybrid 😊
I don't know if coaches are allowed more. All of my knowledge is for commercial trucks. Trucks are generally allowed only 12,000 pounds on steer axle. 34,000 for tandems. 20,000 for single axle with duals. Don't know about tags or boogies.
Super singles on steering and on the bogies may help.
Nice bus! Hats off to the builder, must have been one heck of an undertaking. Like those red handled clamping pliers , where did you find them at?
Nice bus, sad to see the weight issue makes a person question if it's worth driving. FYI, the DOT always bases the weight limits on the tire rating never the chassis.
I’ve had many level 1 inspections on a class 8 and a bus. Everyone the officer looked at the manufacturer tag and tires, they take the lowest of the 2.
@@ko9446 Yeah it's this. It's all checked, but if something is really low, you're getting nailed for that.
What's the Eagle's axle ratings? 16,000 is nothing on a new Prevost, it's rating I believe is 19,065 lbs.
When I buy an old bus, I know where to go for knowledgeable service.
Would it help before installing the bushings for the kingpin, to put them in a freezer? We do that with cylinder sleeves so just wondering if you tried that or if it would help 😅! Great work - hard work but wise advise on the weight 😊!
I was thinking the same thing.
Freeze the bushing , heat the part it's going in....but then again maybe distort the bushing , I wouldn't thing so..but ,🤷,,,,I'm sure Scotty knows best ....he has been there done that more then us,,,so I'm sure he knows the best way to do it....
After air hammer laxatives it finally took a king pin 10:47.
Am I missing something? I saw no airbags on this thing nor springs of any sort.
Does it have torsion bar suspension.
That's a nice looking bus.
Maybe they can move the water tanks to one of the back bays to help with that front axle weight problem. 😊
Yes torsion bar springs
Egle Bus - Big Question how do you fix the axles related issues
Is there any way to load more onto the boogy axle by making some sort of adjustments because that seemed real low on wieght
Eagle Bus - big question: How do fix the axles
At 10:36, same thing happens to me when I eat too much rice without drinking enough water.
😅
Do you have a list of the products you use, interested mostly in the ebikes.
Thanks for the video Scott. Can I ask where you sourced the upper and lower pins?
Goodsons bus sales
@@BusGreaseMonkey
Figured as much but was also hoping for a cheaper source😁
Do you cover how to bore the bras bushings out on your Patron page? I noticed you left us hanging on that bit😉😄
@@RollinHomies Bus+cheap does not exist. May as well be talking about airplanes lol. Some things are just a trade secret. Go visit in person and I'm sure Scott will show you!
A reamer 14:58
When we were working on a Scenicruiser the owner jon said “you know what they say, the cheapest thing about a bus is the owner” i laughed
Original paint? For being from the 90s the design still doesn’t look tacky
Yes original paint. Kept indoors. Original owner still too
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I don't know who coined the term, though there is another TH-camr that uses it frequently, but the sparkly stuff that should not ever be in oil is called"Forbidden Glitter".
Did this guy build the coach only, or did he also build the chassis?
Well, my question was answered in the video.
Does that mean that it doesn’t or won’t have the typical Eagle corrosion issues? Such a neat build.
All the steel was painted with epoxy primer.
Water weighs 8.34 lbs per gallon.
Was there some reason why you couldn’t put a heavier front axle under it? Like a 20,000 lb dump truck axle?
How do you order parts for a bus that was build from the ground up? For that matter, what does it even say on the registration? “Joe’s Bus Building & Storm Door Co.”?
What about putting a 365 steer tire on?
Just saw an article about an rv blowing tires and crashed head on into a tractor trailer really sad😢
That’s exactly why I’m concerned
It sure would be nice to know what kind of mileage is on some of these buses your repairing.
About 6 would be a good guess
A kit bus?
Always wonder how often one of these buses DOESN'T make it up the hill . (Then there is issue of stopping on the way back down .)
1st one ever that needed an assist.
seems like most steering systems are trashed when you get them. Is it just that the owners don't know what to do with the steering? or it's just they are worn out when they buy them? I learned about the hob oil the hard way when one of them got hit because of road debris and cracked. all the oil came out all over the tire and stunk to high heaven.
If you don't have access to a pit/lift it can be challenging and grimy to contort and access all zirks. On my bus, the first thing I did was find( via manual) locate and pump(electric) tubes of quality marine grade grease in em 😉
So when you say the guy made that bus. My question is Why and how much? Like did he start with a bus frameand running gear? Or did he fabricate the whole frame fit the axles to it install an engine and trans into his creation. Or was it some other brand bus and he cut it at the mid line and built it all back still having the dash and interior floor?
Bus conversion
Hi, are any other engines used in these buses other than the Detriots.?
I. UK
Water weighs 8.34 lbs/gal @ 60F 1,668 lbs for 200 gal...
Why would someone scratch-build something as complex as that machine?
Because Eagles are awesome and they don't make them anymore. And the fact that the framework of an original Eagle was made from mild steel square tubing and are prone to major rust problems. If the construction of that bus was done correctly then it's better than an original unit. The major mistake that I saw on this bus is the front axle is not heavy enough for the that amount of weight. They need to swap that axle and the rims and the tires to support that weight. And yes they do make a 16k axle,rim and tire combo for that. I drove trucks for 30yrs and I had a truck that had 16k set up that would work in that bus...
@@shanonhoweth2659 Thanks for your explanation!
@@shanonhoweth2659 I wonder if stainless steel tubing was used.
Those bushings sure was wore out inside and out and there not supposed to be spinning in there. If they're turning on the kingpin that's not good
So, if a bus can make it up your long drive it has a chance to keep running???
I always wondered the same thing. You win!
I've seen him fix em to bring em to the top 😉
Why do you quote axle weights in pounds rather than tons? I'm in Europe where we use metric but for big numbers we change from kg to tonnes.
Because our manufactures use lbs in weight ratings
Prevost rates in KG and LBS
Prevost Ratings
Kilograms/Pounds
Front 8648/19065
Drive 10206/22500
Tag 6350/14000
Gross 25174/55500
You can watch trucks built from scratch in Pakistan. They use ships hull steel for the frame,
Still lots of WWII era Bedfords over there. Merchants weld stuff to them to make them into art pieces.
How many miles on that bus? Looks like it has been getting pretty regular maintenance.
120k he thinks. Odometer issues but he’s the original owner.
Where's Tyler?
That steer tire has an RFID?? Why though???
What is the acronym for rfid?
@@joshuacatron2 like what does it stand for? Radio Frequency IDentification I believe. It's like a tag that you can scan like a QR code but instead of visual it's radio wizardry. Seems like a weird thing to embed in a tire
it's "Michelin tires" pipe dream, I believe they're putting them in all of their tires now. so they can document and track them. who knows what other manufactures are doing or will do.
they have it posted clearly on www and have youtube videos about it.
Some people shouldn't own comercial type vehicles.
Do you not wish you had a wash pit for these buses.
I do not. It would be an environmental disaster with these detroit diesels ;)
Looks like someone really didn't have any business building this thing.
perspective -- to me looks like they had fun on a big project, got their use, and then probably sold it for a profit
@@laudennn Having fun isn’t justification for building without regards to safety. It’s even worse if they sold it to an unsuspecting sucker.
Rat alert at 1:35
Chipmonk
@@BusGreaseMonkey ALVIN!!!
Wow~Really like the Inside!
Wish it was Mine!
🥲
Obviously a good welder but lousy engineer. Legal weights: 12K steer. 12K tag. 20K drive. 44K total. That overweight on the steer needs to disappear, not just be shuffled around. This vehicle is just too heavy. Period. That's why this old retired driver has always said these need to be regulated just like a commercial vehicle and the yahoos driving them need a CDL.
Legal front weight 12K? Please explain. Prevost X3 front axle and tire rating 19,065 lbs.