That’s exactly what I do. I hit the auto start on the fob after 2 minutes getting ready then enter the car and go. But try not driving past 3k rpm’s until normal temp is reached.
same here...I don't really move the vehicle until the rpms begins to drop and while in drive hover around 2K rpm until the temp needle gets to the middle
The real reason I can't drive off in 30 seconds or less is usually in cold weather is not because Im trying to warm up the car or the engine - I need the windshield to clear up so I can see!!
100 percent the visibility is the primary reason and some days are better than others. I know, living in Canada, that sometimes a windshield thaw is a challenge.
I have been seeing alot of these videos lately...I always let my GMC truck warm up...just rolled over 303,000 miles, feel like I'm doing something right.
Yes, but cars today are very different. Because of a lot of environmental regulations. (sometimes very controversial) For example oil viscosity like a water. Thinner and lighter piston rings for less friction. High idle after starting to heat up the catalytic converter. (not mentioned start - stop of cold engine).
My 2012 Toyota Tundra V8 is now at 500K plus miles. I use Pennzoil Platinum And I always warm up the Engine at least 20 mins. Do not rev the engine until the engine reaches the normal operating temperature. I don't give AF about EPA environment BS! My Toyota tundra ain't Cat deleted, Cat converter is there! Speaking of EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) they might wanna give The US Army, The FBI, CIA and ATF a citation for polluting the environment since their vehicles are not California Compliant. I've seen a FBI Chevy suburban that are Cat deleted! I've seen a US Army Diesel trucks that doesn't have DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) neither they don't use DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) they aren't following the Law. They are exempted, I call it BS! They should be the leader and the example.
Currently letting my car idle via remote start for around 10 minutes when temps are below freezing. Under those conditions (or even now where temps are -10F) I find it a bit hard to believe that you are overheating any engine components. Sure heat transfer is not as good as a moving car, but the air is so cold that in my opinion any overheating risk would be minimal.
It was -45° last week here in Alberta. Let my Subaru warm up for 15min and let her running when did groceries. I'm sure his video is for most non-extreme weathers like we got lol
I think he just means that if you let it idle excessively, over and over again, it could overheat things. Letting it run for 10 minutes on a cold morning should be fine.
Yes you should always warm it up. Your engine and head gasket(s) needs to expand to ensure a proper seal. It's not just about oil reaching operating viscousity.
Warming up for more than 30 seconds is a useless exercise on a modern car. The time to put on your seatbelt and to demist and adjust your seat is "sufficient" for the oil to start flowing and drive away normally. We are not on clock waiting for a launch on an F1 track.
@@adi91216 well then please tell me when its -5 and my windshield is frozen and constantly fogging up as i breath how am i supposed to see out my window, do you actually drive in cold conditions or do you just have a nice heated garage
@@tanner3992 The ONLY reason to idle for a bit is to demist, deice or defog and to get some dry air from the AC vents to clear the moisture. What I meant was that it is not worth doing it for any other reason.
@@adi91216 well that is where so many people including this video are running that miss info making it sound like people should just start it up and go and i see the result of that every day when there are people who cant see out there windows and once you start moving the cold air will overtake any efforts you make cleaning unless you let it go 5-10 min most mornings even a fully heated vehicle can start to lose the battle on the side windows in the winter when at speed
Best thing you can do is drive gently without putting much load on it. Wear happens mostly with the engine cold, letting it idle takes an eternity to get it to temp. Driving gently will not put much more load on the engine and will let it come to temp much quicker. I would suggest switching to 0W-20, 0W-30, 0w-40 etc if you’re really concerned about oil flow in these temperatures. Engineering explained has made a good video about this a couple of years back.
Exactly. There will still be many that put excessive wear on their engine by idling, way to long. Driving slow and easy, isn't much more load than idle and your tranny will warm much faster. Happy tranny. Cheers
@@sonofrobertAnD in fact the engineers WANT more load sooner than idling would do--that is the whole point: we want some load in order to get the temps up asap. Not complicated like so many ppl make this issue. Go easy on the rpm's until it's warmed up more fully.
This right here. It seems counterintuitive to drive the car while still a bit cold, but you actually heat the car up faster by driving it. So overall it spends less time running cold. When I start my car all I do is wait 30ish seconds for the RPMs to initially drop, then I drive it slowly until the oil heats up fully, then I'm good to drive as normal.
When there are very cold parts of the engine and very hot parts, when the car is driving while it is cold, the engine will be destroyed after a while. This is a simple physics rule. As for the catalyzer, it will be filled with carbon because the oxygen sensor works when its temperature exceeds 350 degrees Celsius. As for the engine, it burns fuel appropriately when it is hot. You need to warm up your car for three minutes and then slow down until the engine reaches the right operating temperature
This guy must be smarter than any Honda engineer because my Honda shows me when the car is ready to go and trust me, in the winter season is waaaaay more than 60 seconds😂😂
Engine block heaters are a good investment if you’re in a cold climate. The one on my F250 heats the coolant to 130 degrees, so I pretty much have instant heat and it’s ready to drive off after it’s been plugged in.
You are the gold standard for any TH-cam car channel. Always informative and relevant. I’ve heard that driving the car before the engine is at operating temperature does damage it long term because the parts haven’t fully expanded yet and it can cause wear. You mentioned it briefly in this video. How much of a potential issue is that?
The age of the vehicle is huge older may take longer but you may need to rase the idle. Newer ones may only need a brief time but a "normal driving mode" could mean you do a steady increase in speed.
As a mechanic in CO i respectfully disagree especially for forced induction vehicles warming up can’t hurt the engine/cat as long as everything is in order
I swear this whole "You dont need to warm up your car" talk is a conspiracy from the car manufactures to wear your car out faster. When i take off w/o warming up, my engine is rough, and it fights me to accelerate. I heard that engine oil need to warm up and the engine itself need to exapand ever so slightly to run smoothly
Last week it got down to -15 here, with a -55 wind chill, I used remote start to warm it up about 5 minutes just to keep my butt warm when I got in. Temp gage barely moved off of cold after that.
Haha true sometimes running for 10 minutes is nice when it’s cold but that’s really more for our comfort rather than the good for the car. With that said, sometimes frosty windows is an issue so time to defrost may be a solid reason. Cheers
Wow, a lifetime of old school habits die hard! It's been a long time since the 20-50 days but I've still been living by them :) ... Merry Christmas to you and the fam Mark.
Sorry I let mine warm for awhile. Car is made to run in a certain heat range. I don't idle it for 20 minutes but I let warm for 5 minutes or so. You can sit at a stop light for 5 minutes and idlling doesn't hurt it. Frozen motors and GDI don't play well. Transmissions engines have different types of metal that have clearances that are designed to work within a range. You go your way I'll go mine.
Thanks for the tips. I see you live in a quite cold environment so I guess no one else could explain it better than you. Merry Christmas 🎄 and see you soon.
A 5 minute warm up allows fluids to at least get warm enough to flow better in cild weather. Especially auto trans, otherwise it will not shift until it gets uo in rpm which is bad for engine that is not up to temp.
My '20 WRX has an oil temperature gauge. When I start the car it runs at a fast idle, about 1800 rpm. I always wait until the oil temp registers it's lowest setting which is 86 degrees. My FA20 doesn't burn any oil after 50K miles. I took into consideration cylinder wall wash down by cold gasoline and change the oil every 3-3.5K miles.
Not letting your car warm up, is what's stupid and costly in the long run. Always let your car warm up for at least five minutes, and that comes from plenty of experts and mechanics.
I am Currently living in Minnesota, I have never lived in a colder place than here. I am trying guilty of warming up my car for more than 30 minutes. I know they are saying with newer cars you shouldn't be doing that. But I have noticed my car seems to drive better also its warmer. I can't stand a freezing car. Especially when it gets to -7 to -15 on certain days.
i dn't blame you! While there is excess wear to the engine, it doesn't matter compared to how some ppl feel when super cold. I was always a lean guy and could be cold very easily. Also, ppl need to be warm enough physically to safetly operate the car---that is FAR more important to EVERYONE on the road, than whether that car, a few years later, is less of a good engine used car, or not. That said, it's wise to bundle up and take off when u feel ok/safe. Also, i'd always found that it warms up pretty fast. I always kept the vents off, iirc, until the engine had warmed up a bit and warmer air could flow into cabin. But everyone's different. I would NOT worry about this re the engine, just change the oil MUCH more frequently, for sure! That cold idle warm up is THE most oil contaminating and deteriorating thing imaginable.
My understanding is the engine will warm up faster with slow driving rather than letting it idle for 10 minutes. This is what I do and I wait until the engine is completely warmed up before freeway driving.
when a engine is cold its a good idea to warm up the motor everytime I pulled out with my car in the cold the head gasket would give out best to warm the car
With a bmw v8 engine, warm up is definitely essential, and 0w viscosity is too thin, burns off faster than the 5w30 the stealership is selling 0w because they know low oil light will be on early 😂
Don't warm up or idle the car meantime this car has been idle for 6 plus minutes since you revved it up which is what we were told that we should not do. Do what I say not what I do? This video was paid for or sponsored by the by the EPA? Also with the car warmed up the heater works which great and the windows are defrosted. Here in Canada that is nice TBH to be warm and to see out the windows.
In cold weather I need to let the car idle just to get the windows clear - scraping the ice and snow off alone doesn't cut it. Plus my transmission doesn't appreciate being used unless fully warmed up - it doesn't go out of second if cold.
NO WAY! I don't care what ANYONE says; when it's -5° outside, MY ASS will NOT be sitting on an ice-cold seat, turning an ice-cold steering wheel and trying keep the windows from fogging up!! I actually disagree with a few of your points here. New cars come with remote start FOR A REASON, and I'm going to use it! If it was potentially harmful and damaging to warm up your new or newer car, auto manufacturers wouldn't have been adding remote start and heated seats for the last 16+ years! Now, in mild climates, on warmer Spring and Summer mornings, sure....I hop in, start it, and I GO. Here in NE Ohio where it gets BITTER COLD in the Winter, I'll continue warming up my car, thank you very much.
I wouldn't go by what auto manufacturers say, of course they want you to buy a new car every 5 years so I wouldn't put too much stock in what they say, our own common sense is probably a better key to what we should do, but I don't think a 5 minute warmup should do much harm in cold sub-zero temperatures, but pushing it to 10-15-20 is maybe stretching it a bit, in my own common sense opinion.
@@Barrie562 Sure, bud...and "they've had the cure for Cancer since the 1950's, but they're making too much money on letting everyone die," on and on. It hurts NOTHING on a car to allow it to warm up after sitting in sub-zero temperatures before driving it; it may not necessarily help the car, but it sure as HELL doesn't hurt it or cause it to break down any earlier than it would anyway. Even if it DID, I don't really give a damn; I'm going to be comfortable and warm before I begin to drive on those bitter cold winter days, and even if it DOES somehow shorten the car's economic life, I don't CARE....I'll buy another one. Hell, I NEVER keep a new car more than 4 years ANYWAY. Life is short, live well.
@@jamescarrington5521 They warm up pretty fast, I mean the heaters do, last I drove the Rav4 in -25c I let it warmup for 10 minutes before driving and the interior was warm enough, I would suppose past that warmup time would be excessive, um, I have kept my cars for 15 yrs before trading them for a new one, kind of get attached to them, long may they run. Be sure to subscribe, I have a 2007 Pontiac Grand Prix with 66,000 miles on it and will never trade again, not even for the new Malibu that's on order, and I will be doing a full review on both vehicles, in warmer weather of course.
I was traveling last winter, and stopped at a gas station to sleep when it was in the 30s. Woke up to the car next to me revving all the way for several minutes. It was 12 degrees at that time and my car and the parking lot were covered in ice and snow. That was my first time really driving in the snow. Glad nobody was around when I discovered how little brakes work on ice.
Keeping the Rpms lower while the engine temp gauge hasn't moved Yet is always a smart move, Because otherwise most of the wear is at cold start ups, But Not being a Reving lunatic like in the beginning of this Video is Smart 👍, I usually start my car let it sit for a minute or two then start driving has never hurt any of my Honda's but of course all of them use very thin full synthetic oil or whatever is posted on the filler cap.-30⁰F is normal in January here in north central Wis.❄😁
ya, i will continue to let my cars warm up sufficiently no matter the temp but it is always longer than 60 seconds, thats just silly. At the very least always let your car drop out of its fast idle before setting off (and drive easy till temps come up).
Maybe not so much with the new vehicles, but the reality is with older cars, it is best to warm them up.... As im older, it takes me a bit longer to get going... That applies to my vehicle as well...
Thanks for this video, as I was advised not to add aftermarket remote start to my BMW... I was used to having remote start in my Honda. Especially now that it's freezing outside today. Now I just wait until the cold start noise dies down (30 sec- 1 min) before I pull off lol
I always let my car idle 10-15 mins while i clean snow off the car and let windows defrost. Mostly in the morning, been doing it for years never had an issue.
I have a 2018 F150 with a 3.5 motor with just over 289*** on it I run AMSOIL in it... I let it warm up in cold weather. 🥶 It still feels like new to me.
When I lived in Chicago and we have those -40 degree months, I'd turn the car to heat up while I clearest the 2 feet of snow and ice off. Then I always take it slow for the first few miles until the car comes to temp.
To be able to follow the discussion in a proper way I should have a table for translating Fahrenheit to Celsius ... Here in Sweden most(?) of us that not have a Webasto, have electric heaters for the engine and an separate heater inside the cabin. Then also the windows are clean regardless of temperature when you enter the car. For this you need (here) a 10 Amp outlet (10 A X 240 V = 2400 W. Maybe the block heater is 750 W and the cabin fan is 1,000 W). So 1 hour means 2 kWh of electricity.
I never warm up engine before driving off with a cold start and never had an issue with my M140i. I am only gently on the gas and stay under 2000 rpm most of the time for around 10 minutes, especially in cold weather.
What is being left out of this reasoning is CVT and automatic transmissions. Sure I would rather not have a CVT but Subarus have capabilities no other vehicles have and if you want that then you get a CVT which are reliable if you change the fluid every 60k. But driving before they warm up puts a lot of extra wear on them. There is no combustion in a transmission. They only heat up from the warmer/cooler from the radiator fluid. There is no heat until the engine heats up the radiator fluid. Modern transmissions are more expensive than engines and need as much concern.
I live on the northern prairies of Canada. It’s commonplace for us to have stretches of weather below -30°C (-22°F) and I idleTF outta my vehicle in the winter. I bought my car to serve ME, not the other way around. I just do two oil changes over the winter and do one over the summer. My vehicle is NA port injected that is built in Japan 🇯🇵 it is 9 years old and I have no excessive wear to my engine or exhaust system.
Most engine wear occurs between the piston rings and cylinder walls and most of that wear occurs while the engine is below operating temperature. Idling keeps the engine temperature low for a larger number of engine revolutions. Driving very gently warms the engine up to operating temperature in fewer revolutions. For that reason, driving gently instead of idling is a better way to reduce the largest source of engine wear. However if the choice is idling or driving gently, there's not really much that can be done to dramatically change the amount of engine wear other than reducing the number of cold starts per mile driven. Either way, it doesn't really matter all that much in terms of engine wear.
What about letting the transmission warm up a little bit maybe 2 to 3 minutes? Then drive easy until operating temperature I have a 2007 and a 1999 Lexus
@@cormaro13 what I have found out is it’s more important for the transmission to actually warm up before you drive or at least just as important and it takes longer for that to warm up then The engine 🤔 giving it a couple of extra minutes Will benefit your transmission more than it hurts your Engine
We love the environment and keeping it clean but thats just unrealistic not warming up nice in freezing conditions before pull off, especially when you have icy frozen windshield and windows
On cold starts like this crazy 22 winter, I wait for the RPM to drop a bit before leaving Summer I drive slowly out of my neighborhood then go full speed
I'm guilty of letting it idle. Perhaps a generational thing, as the standard oil when I was growing up was the classic 30 weight. Unfortunately, I still have this habit of warming it up for a minute to circulate oil, regardless of type and to allow the engine block, belts and other moving parts to get warm. Again, perhaps a generational habit.
I forgot who made the video, but it was about letting the car warm up. He had top of the motor pulled off and started it to show how quickly the oil floods through the engine. It takes 1 second from what I saw If that. The second he started it, oil shot all over the place telling me it's instantaneous. Convinced me further not to idle.
I know what you mean Thomas, the old style oil I used to idle a bit longer too because it took longer to "loosen up" and often 5 minutes or more was the norm. Heck if its -30 I just don't bother, lol.
I agree and it helps to defrost and make the car somewhat comfortable inside. Unfortunately, idling long still does not warm but trans or other rotating bits. Thanks for watching.
Alternators charge at 14.2 - 14.4 regardless of speed of motor. You want all your seals to reach swell temps prior to loading the engine with ccp . Fuel doesn’t properly combust when the block is not up to temp so the fuel system will pump more fuel and will clean all lubricants off the cylinder walls .
Some older cars need than 60sec. Alot of them run extremely rich when it's cold ,before the temp gauge start to move. 2nd on like older cars ,these 2000+ car alternator charge extremely well at idle,especially if the regulator is computer control. Japanese cars for sure don't have those issues
Took advantage of an end of the year special and bought a 2022 mustang gt in grabber blue, with manual transmission......because "Life's too short to drive boring cars!" Special thanks to the folks who work at the windsor plant still producing those 5.0l coyote engines! The auto may b faster......but the manual is so much more fun to drive!😊 Thanks to all the hard working folks at the ford assembly plants as well!
very much the reason i hate and avoid drive thru service at food joints. if the dining room/walk in service is available, i will pick that every time. drive-thru only when no other choice available.
@@ECPP wow damn. it does get that cold here aswell. roll on summer aye. i'm 58 and retire in 7 years then moving to spain. i'm english and cant live here when i'm a pensioner. love your videos . keep up the good work. cheers
@@ECPP with negative 35C surely you don’t warm up your engine for 30 seconds. You probably would think of installing Webasto or even running the engine over night.
I value my comfort getting into a warm car over long term problems that could happen. But I usually don`t drive cars without a warranty anyways. I think its good advice for people who really want to make a car last.
I drive my truck almost immediately after start up. Today was the exception...we had +3C in the morning yesterday and by 4pm it was -17C. I had to let my truck run today because it was a big crusty ice block.
Good video. Idling does nothing but waste fuel and create unnecessary pollution. Glad the finally see a few laws that prohibit long term idling in certain cities and clean air zones. More laws are needed to prevent the many uneducated drivers that waste our natural resources.
I live in upstate new york and I use those tips you just stated, in a 24 hr period it went from 40 degrees and rain to 6 degrees and snow, everything froze , not my feet , I walked to get some eggnog for my whiskey, merry Christmas, go bruins
I've been not letting my cars warm up since like 2010 and no vehicles I've had had issues with wear and tear that was abnormal from me doing this. Even in extreme Temps I start and the time it takes to put on my seat belt I'm gone, but I don't go past 2500 RPMs and I drive normally like a grandma so I make sure not to abuse my cars in anyway. Maybe if it's super cold I can understand why you'd let it warm up; otherwise, from my experience, there's no reason to. The sooner you drive, the sooner the motor will get to operating temp.
@ECPP yes that makes sense for safety purposes! But even so for my car it'll take 2 minutes of driving to defrost the windows on high, but to be fair, my winters don't get nearly as bad as they couldm
Usually warm up or idle for about 30 secs to a minute for the transmission not the engine. Transmission takes longer to warm up and wear quicker than the engine...
When it's freezing out wait 60 seconds for rpms to drop or transmission suffers from engaging at high speeds constantly and gives oil a chance to hit the top end... In summer wait 30 seconds for idle to drop as oil flows quicker your fine by then..👍
I had been starting my car and waiting 30 seconds then driving off. Idling brings your MPGS down but when you suddenly and drastically heat your engine up your plastic parts heat at different rates causing seals to get stressed and leak. Such as the upper timing cover on a 2.0 liter VW. It leaked until I warmed it up. Severely
Wouldn't it be easier on a turbo charged car to let it warm up for at least 2 minutes, maybe 1 or 2 more in sub zero temperatures to give the turbo charger time to spool up a bit and get good oil flow through it before driving?
@@cormaro13 Yes it is but it kind of makes sense to give it at least 30 seconds to a minute to warm up before the higher revs it reaches when driving in above zero temperatures, and in sub zero temperatures 1- 2 minutes might be better. At least I'll be doing that when I get my new, turbo charged car.
Metal expands when its warm, An engine is made to run at a certain temperature, running it cold destroys the engine. I warm my cars in the winter before driving and run them everyday even if I'm not going anywhere. I get hundreds of miles out of my cars, I currently have an HHR with 250,000 miles and it burns no oil. Also you're burning up your trans running it cold. Funny how you make this video and then at the end you admit that you can damage an engine if you run it too hard cold. PS screw the EPA, how many emissions do you produce idling a car for ten minutes compared to running it for an hour or more, not much.
I start my car, coast it for about 30 seconds due to my hill, then just chill under 2k rpm until 150°F oil temp, then I let myself spin the turbo. At 190-200°F, I’ll give my car full beans.
Idc what anyone says. I warm up my mustang until the temp gauge reads optimal. It’s supercharged and I like to step on the pedal a lot so I rather have the engine and oil temps be perfect.
I always wait for the rpm to drop to around 1,000. Obviously takes longer in winter but maybe 20 seconds in summer. Not going to jam it into reverse in an auto when it is spinning at cold start 2000 rpm.
I understand what your saying but when the car is really cold inside and the windshield is frozen then it's gonna idle for 10-20 minutes with the defroster blasting.
The fastest way to warm up your car to proper operating temperature is to drive it. I am not saying to race it to warm it, but a nice slow drive. Don't think you are doing any good leaving your manual transmission in first or second. Drive the car to keep the revs low, using a higher gear.
Our alternators aren't from the 90s either, they charge straight away no matter what speed. You have to prove that idling kills a battery, you say it after all.
An automobile engine consist of belts and hoses along with various types of fluids. These fluids work better when they're brought up to temperature. You can pay a few cents now or many dollars later. It's your choice.
I can tell you why warming up an engine does make it last longer. First off, just because you have oil pressure in seconds doesn't mean anything. Oil at or near operating range has a million times better lubrication on moving parts then when it's cold. Second, engines are made of different types of metals and they all expand at different rates. When you take off in a cold car you're forcing the metals to expand rapidly and if it's really cold, the piston will actually expand faster than the bore and can even seize or scratch the bore. Another thing that causes major wear is changes in rpm even more so on a cold engine. When you drive it initially you're rpm is going up and down causing major wear. Another thing no one thinks about too is your transmission is cold and that's hard on the clutch packs. Warming up the engine for 10 minutes will let it expand evenly at a nice steady rate, let the oil warm up with no load, and warm up the transmission considerably. Forget the epa rules too it's a joke they send rockets to nowhere to put a show on that pollutes the air more than a million cars do. Of course manufacturers tell you Don warm anything up they need those things to wear out faster so you can buy another 50k car. Excessive idle would be say an hour or somthing not 10 minutes.
It annoying how people feel the need to warm up a car. Oftentimes ruining a perfectly good car. Plus, theirs tire care issue. Oh and topping off the ⛽ . Click, click, click for what reason at the pump. So, many people know nothing about cars. I think people should have to learn the basics if they are going to drive. The way most people get a license is a joke. (how little one needs to know) of course, Its easy to appreciate it when it is time to learn. But, still doesn't mean its a good idea safety wise.
I always wait till my RPM drops from a cold start
That’s usually a pretty good rule of thumb
The engine will warm up faster if driven and the RPM will return to normal faster.
That’s exactly what I do. I hit the auto start on the fob after 2 minutes getting ready then enter the car and go. But try not driving past 3k rpm’s until normal temp is reached.
same here...I don't really move the vehicle until the rpms begins to drop and while in drive hover around 2K rpm until the temp needle gets to the middle
I don't with my M140i, never had any issues driving away in an instant.
The real reason I can't drive off in 30 seconds or less is usually in cold weather is not because Im trying to warm up the car or the engine - I need the windshield to clear up so I can see!!
100 percent the visibility is the primary reason and some days are better than others. I know, living in Canada, that sometimes a windshield thaw is a challenge.
Run the ac for about a minute before you turn off your vehicle. It lowers the humidity in your vehicle so your windshield won’t freeze 🥶
As someone who has seen the results of cold seizure I will allow my car to warm up. It worked for my car for the last 20 years and 250,000 miles
I have been seeing alot of these videos lately...I always let my GMC truck warm up...just rolled over 303,000 miles, feel like I'm doing something right.
Yes, but cars today are very different. Because of a lot of environmental regulations. (sometimes very controversial) For example oil viscosity like a water. Thinner and lighter piston rings for less friction. High idle after starting to heat up the catalytic converter. (not mentioned start - stop of cold engine).
@@jiriprachar1145a lot of stress with all that plastic quick temp change they crack
And jaguars are throw away cars.
My 2012 Toyota Tundra V8
is now at 500K plus miles.
I use Pennzoil Platinum
And I always warm up the Engine at least 20 mins. Do not rev the engine until the engine reaches the normal operating temperature. I don't give AF about EPA environment BS! My Toyota tundra ain't Cat deleted, Cat converter is there!
Speaking of EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) they might wanna give The US Army, The FBI, CIA and ATF a citation for polluting the environment since their vehicles are not California Compliant. I've seen a FBI Chevy suburban that are Cat deleted! I've seen a US Army Diesel trucks that doesn't have DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) neither they don't use DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) they aren't following the Law. They are exempted, I call it BS! They should be the leader and the example.
Currently letting my car idle via remote start for around 10 minutes when temps are below freezing. Under those conditions (or even now where temps are -10F) I find it a bit hard to believe that you are overheating any engine components. Sure heat transfer is not as good as a moving car, but the air is so cold that in my opinion any overheating risk would be minimal.
I agree with you , and it’s cold as an ice box today and through the weekend .. 30 seconds is absolutely nothing .
It was -45° last week here in Alberta. Let my Subaru warm up for 15min and let her running when did groceries. I'm sure his video is for most non-extreme weathers like we got lol
Plug it in a hole
100% right.
I think he just means that if you let it idle excessively, over and over again, it could overheat things. Letting it run for 10 minutes on a cold morning should be fine.
Short answer: Yes you should always do it even when it's not winter. Your engine will last longer and it doesn't even take long.
Exactly true indeed
Plus the heat would heat hot then just getting in and staring it and go without heat I might as well run in the weather
Yes you should always warm it up. Your engine and head gasket(s) needs to expand to ensure a proper seal. It's not just about oil reaching operating viscousity.
Thanks
Warming up for more than 30 seconds is a useless exercise on a modern car. The time to put on your seatbelt and to demist and adjust your seat is "sufficient" for the oil to start flowing and drive away normally. We are not on clock waiting for a launch on an F1 track.
@@adi91216 well then please tell me when its -5 and my windshield is frozen and constantly fogging up as i breath how am i supposed to see out my window, do you actually drive in cold conditions or do you just have a nice heated garage
@@tanner3992 The ONLY reason to idle for a bit is to demist, deice or defog and to get some dry air from the AC vents to clear the moisture. What I meant was that it is not worth doing it for any other reason.
@@adi91216 well that is where so many people including this video are running that miss info making it sound like people should just start it up and go and i see the result of that every day when there are people who cant see out there windows and once you start moving the cold air will overtake any efforts you make cleaning unless you let it go 5-10 min most mornings
even a fully heated vehicle can start to lose the battle on the side windows in the winter when at speed
As he tells us to let the car run for 30-60 seconds, this car has been idling throughout the whole video. 😁😁😁
Haha, nice.
Lol😂
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Maybe this works on newer model cars. I will continue to let my car idle for 8-10 minutes
Best thing you can do is drive gently without putting much load on it. Wear happens mostly with the engine cold, letting it idle takes an eternity to get it to temp. Driving gently will not put much more load on the engine and will let it come to temp much quicker. I would suggest switching to 0W-20, 0W-30, 0w-40 etc if you’re really concerned about oil flow in these temperatures. Engineering explained has made a good video about this a couple of years back.
Exactly.
There will still be many that put excessive wear on their engine by idling, way to long.
Driving slow and easy, isn't much more load than idle and your tranny will warm much faster.
Happy tranny.
Cheers
@@sonofrobertAnD in fact the engineers WANT more load sooner than idling would do--that is the whole point: we want some load in order to get the temps up asap. Not complicated like so many ppl make this issue. Go easy on the rpm's until it's warmed up more fully.
This right here.
It seems counterintuitive to drive the car while still a bit cold, but you actually heat the car up faster by driving it. So overall it spends less time running cold.
When I start my car all I do is wait 30ish seconds for the RPMs to initially drop, then I drive it slowly until the oil heats up fully, then I'm good to drive as normal.
When there are very cold parts of the engine and very hot parts, when the car is driving while it is cold, the engine will be destroyed after a while. This is a simple physics rule. As for the catalyzer, it will be filled with carbon because the oxygen sensor works when its temperature exceeds 350 degrees Celsius. As for the engine, it burns fuel appropriately when it is hot. You need to warm up your car for three minutes and then slow down until the engine reaches the right operating temperature
This guy must be smarter than any Honda engineer because my Honda shows me when the car is ready to go and trust me, in the winter season is waaaaay more than 60 seconds😂😂
Engine block heaters are a good investment if you’re in a cold climate. The one on my F250 heats the coolant to 130 degrees, so I pretty much have instant heat and it’s ready to drive off after it’s been plugged in.
Indeed they are
When it's very cold, you leave it idling for 2-3 minutes, to warm up the oil, a bit.
I know it’s nice to get into a heated vehicle
You are the gold standard for any TH-cam car channel. Always informative and relevant.
I’ve heard that driving the car before the engine is at operating temperature does damage it long term because the parts haven’t fully expanded yet and it can cause wear.
You mentioned it briefly in this video. How much of a potential issue is that?
The age of the vehicle is huge older may take longer but you may need to rase the idle. Newer ones may only need a brief time but a "normal driving mode" could mean you do a steady increase in speed.
As a mechanic in CO i respectfully disagree especially for forced induction vehicles warming up can’t hurt the engine/cat as long as everything is in order
I swear this whole "You dont need to warm up your car" talk is a conspiracy from the car manufactures to wear your car out faster. When i take off w/o warming up, my engine is rough, and it fights me to accelerate. I heard that engine oil need to warm up and the engine itself need to exapand ever so slightly to run smoothly
I’ve been in cars so cold I burned my fingers on the steering wheel. If you’ve been in -25 and below? Exactly!
Last week it got down to -15 here, with a -55 wind chill, I used remote start to warm it up about 5 minutes just to keep my butt warm when I got in. Temp gage barely moved off of cold after that.
Thanks for explaining this I was warming my 2021 RAV4 for 5 to 10 minutes in cold weather below 20 degrees
Haha true sometimes running for 10 minutes is nice when it’s cold but that’s really more for our comfort rather than the good for the car. With that said, sometimes frosty windows is an issue so time to defrost may be a solid reason. Cheers
Wow, a lifetime of old school habits die hard! It's been a long time since the 20-50 days but I've still been living by them :) ... Merry Christmas to you and the fam Mark.
Sorry I let mine warm for awhile. Car is made to run in a certain heat range. I don't idle it for 20 minutes but I let warm for 5 minutes or so. You can sit at a stop light for 5 minutes and idlling doesn't hurt it. Frozen motors and GDI don't play well. Transmissions engines have different types of metal that have clearances that are designed to work within a range. You go your way I'll go mine.
Agreed!
He's 100% right, but idiots will think nothing about it and continue to do it regardless.
Exactly
I wait for my RPMs to get under 1k in my 5.0 13 Stang. And I will continue to do it that way, especially in the winter.
Thanks for the tips. I see you live in a quite cold environment so I guess no one else could explain it better than you. Merry Christmas 🎄 and see you soon.
Thanks, indeed, we tend to find what works and what does not.
A 5 minute warm up allows fluids to at least get warm enough to flow better in cild weather. Especially auto trans, otherwise it will not shift until it gets uo in rpm which is bad for engine that is not up to temp.
My '20 WRX has an oil temperature gauge. When I start the car it runs at a fast idle, about 1800 rpm. I always wait until the oil temp registers it's lowest setting which is 86 degrees.
My FA20 doesn't burn any oil after 50K miles. I took into consideration cylinder wall wash down by cold gasoline and change the oil every 3-3.5K miles.
Not letting your car warm up, is what's stupid and costly in the long run. Always let your car warm up for at least five minutes, and that comes from plenty of experts and mechanics.
The only issue is if people start driving hard before it’s adequately warmed. Gently setting off and keeping RPM down is ideal.
Driving easy warms it up faster and is barely above idle.
This also warms tranny, diff faster.
@@ECPP yeah, that's why I say about five minutes.
@@sonofrobert yeah, but the idle is to make sure that everything is properly lubricated.
I am Currently living in Minnesota, I have never lived in a colder place than here. I am trying guilty of warming up my car for more than 30 minutes. I know they are saying with newer cars you shouldn't be doing that. But I have noticed my car seems to drive better also its warmer. I can't stand a freezing car. Especially when it gets to -7 to -15 on certain days.
That’s the comfort factor and I do t blame you for wanting to get into a warm car
i dn't blame you! While there is excess wear to the engine, it doesn't matter compared to how some ppl feel when super cold. I was always a lean guy and could be cold very easily. Also, ppl need to be warm enough physically to safetly operate the car---that is FAR more important to EVERYONE on the road, than whether that car, a few years later, is less of a good engine used car, or not. That said, it's wise to bundle up and take off when u feel ok/safe. Also, i'd always found that it warms up pretty fast. I always kept the vents off, iirc, until the engine had warmed up a bit and warmer air could flow into cabin. But everyone's different. I would NOT worry about this re the engine, just change the oil MUCH more frequently, for sure! That cold idle warm up is THE most oil contaminating and deteriorating thing imaginable.
My understanding is the engine will warm up faster with slow driving rather than letting it idle for 10 minutes. This is what I do and I wait until the engine is completely warmed up before freeway driving.
when a engine is cold its a good idea to warm up the motor everytime I pulled out with my car in the cold the head gasket would give out best to warm the car
With a bmw v8 engine, warm up is definitely essential, and 0w viscosity is too thin, burns off faster than the 5w30 the stealership is selling 0w because they know low oil light will be on early 😂
Don't warm up or idle the car meantime this car has been idle for 6 plus minutes since you revved it up which is what we were told that we should not do. Do what I say not what I do? This video was paid for or sponsored by the by the EPA? Also with the car warmed up the heater works which great and the windows are defrosted. Here in Canada that is nice TBH to be warm and to see out the windows.
In cold weather I need to let the car idle just to get the windows clear - scraping the ice and snow off alone doesn't cut it. Plus my transmission doesn't appreciate being used unless fully warmed up - it doesn't go out of second if cold.
Exactly
It just slugs along, make me think it’s grinding parts 🤔 don’t think that any good.!
NO WAY! I don't care what ANYONE says; when it's -5° outside, MY ASS will NOT be sitting on an ice-cold seat, turning an ice-cold steering wheel and trying keep the windows from fogging up!! I actually disagree with a few of your points here. New cars come with remote start FOR A REASON, and I'm going to use it! If it was potentially harmful and damaging to warm up your new or newer car, auto manufacturers wouldn't have been adding remote start and heated seats for the last 16+ years! Now, in mild climates, on warmer Spring and Summer mornings, sure....I hop in, start it, and I GO. Here in NE Ohio where it gets BITTER COLD in the Winter, I'll continue warming up my car, thank you very much.
I wouldn't go by what auto manufacturers say, of course they want you to buy a new car every 5 years so I wouldn't put too much stock in what they say, our own common sense is probably a better key to what we should do, but I don't think a 5 minute warmup should do much harm in cold sub-zero temperatures, but pushing it to 10-15-20 is maybe stretching it a bit, in my own common sense opinion.
@@Barrie562 Sure, bud...and "they've had the cure for Cancer since the 1950's, but they're making too much money on letting everyone die," on and on. It hurts NOTHING on a car to allow it to warm up after sitting in sub-zero temperatures before driving it; it may not necessarily help the car, but it sure as HELL doesn't hurt it or cause it to break down any earlier than it would anyway. Even if it DID, I don't really give a damn; I'm going to be comfortable and warm before I begin to drive on those bitter cold winter days, and even if it DOES somehow shorten the car's economic life, I don't CARE....I'll buy another one. Hell, I NEVER keep a new car more than 4 years ANYWAY. Life is short, live well.
@@jamescarrington5521 They warm up pretty fast, I mean the heaters do, last I drove the Rav4 in -25c I let it warmup for 10 minutes before driving and the interior was warm enough, I would suppose past that warmup time would be excessive, um, I have kept my cars for 15 yrs before trading them for a new one, kind of get attached to them, long may they run. Be sure to subscribe, I have a 2007 Pontiac Grand Prix with 66,000 miles on it and will never trade again, not even for the new Malibu that's on order, and I will be doing a full review on both vehicles, in warmer weather of course.
I was traveling last winter, and stopped at a gas station to sleep when it was in the 30s. Woke up to the car next to me revving all the way for several minutes. It was 12 degrees at that time and my car and the parking lot were covered in ice and snow. That was my first time really driving in the snow. Glad nobody was around when I discovered how little brakes work on ice.
Yes winter driving ca. be a serious issue
Keeping the Rpms lower while the engine temp gauge hasn't moved Yet is always a smart move, Because otherwise most of the wear is at cold start ups, But Not being a Reving lunatic like in the beginning of this Video is Smart 👍, I usually start my car let it sit for a minute or two then start driving has never hurt any of my Honda's but of course all of them use very thin full synthetic oil or whatever is posted on the filler cap.-30⁰F is normal in January here in north central Wis.❄😁
ya, i will continue to let my cars warm up sufficiently no matter the temp but it is always longer than 60 seconds, thats just silly. At the very least always let your car drop out of its fast idle before setting off (and drive easy till temps come up).
Maybe not so much with the new vehicles, but the reality is with older cars, it is best to warm them up.... As im older, it takes me a bit longer to get going... That applies to my vehicle as well...
Really?
Thanks for this video, as I was advised not to add aftermarket remote start to my BMW... I was used to having remote start in my Honda. Especially now that it's freezing outside today. Now I just wait until the cold start noise dies down (30 sec- 1 min) before I pull off lol
Absolutely....1 min or 2 to get the oil to go everywhere before you move its essential.
I always let my car idle 10-15 mins while i clean snow off the car and let windows defrost. Mostly in the morning, been doing it for years never had an issue.
I have a 2018 F150 with a 3.5 motor with just over 289*** on it I run AMSOIL in it... I let it warm up in cold weather. 🥶 It still feels like new to me.
When I lived in Chicago and we have those -40 degree months, I'd turn the car to heat up while I clearest the 2 feet of snow and ice off. Then I always take it slow for the first few miles until the car comes to temp.
To be able to follow the discussion in a proper way I should have a table for translating Fahrenheit to Celsius ...
Here in Sweden most(?) of us that not have a Webasto, have electric heaters for the engine and an separate heater inside the cabin. Then also the windows are clean regardless of temperature when you enter the car.
For this you need (here) a 10 Amp outlet (10 A X 240 V = 2400 W. Maybe the block heater is 750 W and the cabin fan is 1,000 W). So 1 hour means 2 kWh of electricity.
I never warm up engine before driving off with a cold start and never had an issue with my M140i. I am only gently on the gas and stay under 2000 rpm most of the time for around 10 minutes, especially in cold weather.
Absolutely a great way to drive it when warming
What is being left out of this reasoning is CVT and automatic transmissions. Sure I would rather not have a CVT but Subarus have capabilities no other vehicles have and if you want that then you get a CVT which are reliable if you change the fluid every 60k. But driving before they warm up puts a lot of extra wear on them. There is no combustion in a transmission. They only heat up from the warmer/cooler from the radiator fluid. There is no heat until the engine heats up the radiator fluid. Modern transmissions are more expensive than engines and need as much concern.
I live on the northern prairies of Canada. It’s commonplace for us to have stretches of weather below -30°C (-22°F) and I idleTF outta my vehicle in the winter. I bought my car to serve ME, not the other way around. I just do two oil changes over the winter and do one over the summer. My vehicle is NA port injected that is built in Japan 🇯🇵 it is 9 years old and I have no excessive wear to my engine or exhaust system.
Most engine wear occurs between the piston rings and cylinder walls and most of that wear occurs while the engine is below operating temperature. Idling keeps the engine temperature low for a larger number of engine revolutions. Driving very gently warms the engine up to operating temperature in fewer revolutions. For that reason, driving gently instead of idling is a better way to reduce the largest source of engine wear. However if the choice is idling or driving gently, there's not really much that can be done to dramatically change the amount of engine wear other than reducing the number of cold starts per mile driven. Either way, it doesn't really matter all that much in terms of engine wear.
What about letting the transmission warm up a little bit maybe 2 to 3 minutes? Then drive easy until operating temperature I have a 2007 and a 1999 Lexus
Thanks
Wouldn't that be warming up with the engine ? Yes the trans warms up as u turn on the car lmao
@@cormaro13 what I have found out is it’s more important for the transmission to actually warm up before you drive or at least just as important and it takes longer for that to warm up then The engine 🤔 giving it a couple of extra minutes Will benefit your transmission more than it hurts your Engine
We love the environment and keeping it clean but thats just unrealistic not warming up nice in freezing conditions before pull off, especially when you have icy frozen windshield and windows
Indeed that’s a great point
On cold starts like this crazy 22 winter, I wait for the RPM to drop a bit before leaving
Summer I drive slowly out of my neighborhood then go full speed
Exactly right. Cheers
I replaced 2 catalytic on my nissan altima for $300 ( DIY) easy off, easy on
Dealership wanted $3500. I just saved $3200
Dealers tend to rip people off sometimes
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I'm guilty of letting it idle. Perhaps a generational thing, as the standard oil when I was growing up was the classic 30 weight. Unfortunately, I still have this habit of warming it up for a minute to circulate oil, regardless of type and to allow the engine block, belts and other moving parts to get warm. Again, perhaps a generational habit.
I forgot who made the video, but it was about letting the car warm up. He had top of the motor pulled off and started it to show how quickly the oil floods through the engine. It takes 1 second from what I saw If that. The second he started it, oil shot all over the place telling me it's instantaneous. Convinced me further not to idle.
Thank you so much
I know what you mean Thomas, the old style oil I used to idle a bit longer too because it took longer to "loosen up" and often 5 minutes or more was the norm. Heck if its -30 I just don't bother, lol.
I love these videos. Thanks for the advice my guy.
Thanks for the aupport
-20 here yesterday. I statred my car and let it idle for 2 min.
Transmissions need a short warm up also.
In real cold weather I warm the engine at least 3 minutes maximum 5 in summer just 30 seconds
I agree and it helps to defrost and make the car somewhat comfortable inside. Unfortunately, idling long still does not warm but trans or other rotating bits. Thanks for watching.
Alternators charge at 14.2 - 14.4 regardless of speed of motor. You want all your seals to reach swell temps prior to loading the engine with ccp . Fuel doesn’t properly combust when the block is not up to temp so the fuel system will pump more fuel and will clean all lubricants off the cylinder walls .
Thanks for all your advice. Merry Christmas (or whatever holiday you celebrate, if any), and Happy New Year!
You are very welcome and wishing you a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
Some older cars need than 60sec. Alot of them run extremely rich when it's cold ,before the temp gauge start to move. 2nd on like older cars ,these 2000+ car alternator charge extremely well at idle,especially if the regulator is computer control. Japanese cars for sure don't have those issues
That weather looks beautiful!!
I sort of is, but it is very cold
May not hurt the engine,id be more worried about the transmission
Took advantage of an end of the year special and bought a 2022 mustang gt in grabber blue, with manual transmission......because "Life's too short to drive boring cars!" Special thanks to the folks who work at the windsor plant still producing those 5.0l coyote engines! The auto may b faster......but the manual is so much more fun to drive!😊 Thanks to all the hard working folks at the ford assembly plants as well!
very much the reason i hate and avoid drive thru service at food joints. if the dining room/walk in service is available, i will pick that every time. drive-thru only when no other choice available.
Block heaters work wonders.
Yep , get a timer so it comes on about 2 hours before you leave.
damn looks cold there?
minus 15c here this evening in sweden. we have a nissan leaf. we just preheat it 20 minutes before we set off.
That’s a good approach too and yes recently it has been hitting minus 35C overnight and there are MANY cars that will not even start, lol.
@@ECPP wow damn. it does get that cold here aswell.
roll on summer aye. i'm 58 and retire in 7 years then moving to spain. i'm english and cant live here when i'm a pensioner.
love your videos . keep up the good work.
cheers
@@ECPP with negative 35C surely you don’t warm up your engine for 30 seconds. You probably would think of installing Webasto or even running the engine over night.
I value my comfort getting into a warm car over long term problems that could happen. But I usually don`t drive cars without a warranty anyways. I think its good advice for people who really want to make a car last.
I drive my truck almost immediately after start up. Today was the exception...we had +3C in the morning yesterday and by 4pm it was -17C. I had to let my truck run today because it was a big crusty ice block.
Haha, that’s fair
Thank you Brother, great info. Merry Christmas and God bless you and your family.
Good video. Idling does nothing but waste fuel and create unnecessary pollution. Glad the finally see a few laws that prohibit long term idling in certain cities and clean air zones. More laws are needed to prevent the many uneducated drivers that waste our natural resources.
True it’s really not necessary except to defrost a window. It as long as it’s safe…..
I live in upstate new york and I use those tips you just stated, in a 24 hr period it went from 40 degrees and rain to 6 degrees and snow, everything froze , not my feet , I walked to get some eggnog for my whiskey, merry Christmas, go bruins
Merry Christmas, have a great holiday season
Great to know I rarely leave the car idle since I am too impatient to wait around I just drive off straight away after deicing the windows.
🎄Merry Christmas Mark & family ❤Cheers 🇨🇦love your channel ✌️ Jesse 🎄
Does not apply when you have temps -30 - 40 Celsius.
Great video, surprised the engine bay gets that much dirt given mostly closed under carriage. Cheers
So living in California all I need is 30 sec to a minute warm up. But my car says warm up before taking off, just ignore it?
Go with it
I've been not letting my cars warm up since like 2010 and no vehicles I've had had issues with wear and tear that was abnormal from me doing this. Even in extreme Temps I start and the time it takes to put on my seat belt I'm gone, but I don't go past 2500 RPMs and I drive normally like a grandma so I make sure not to abuse my cars in anyway. Maybe if it's super cold I can understand why you'd let it warm up; otherwise, from my experience, there's no reason to. The sooner you drive, the sooner the motor will get to operating temp.
Absolutely, same here. The only time I may run a tad li get is to get enough defrost on the window if it’s extremely cold.
@ECPP yes that makes sense for safety purposes! But even so for my car it'll take 2 minutes of driving to defrost the windows on high, but to be fair, my winters don't get nearly as bad as they couldm
how many cars have you had since 2010?
Usually warm up or idle for about 30 secs to a minute for the transmission not the engine. Transmission takes longer to warm up and wear quicker than the engine...
When it's freezing out wait 60 seconds for rpms to drop or transmission suffers from engaging at high speeds constantly and gives oil a chance to hit the top end... In summer wait 30 seconds for idle to drop as oil flows quicker your fine by then..👍
I always let my jaguar XF diesel warm up first and never had a problem.
I had been starting my car and waiting 30 seconds then driving off. Idling brings your MPGS down but when you suddenly and drastically heat your engine up your plastic parts heat at different rates causing seals to get stressed and leak. Such as the upper timing cover on a 2.0 liter VW. It leaked until I warmed it up. Severely
That’s not uncommon and the old Air cooled Porsche 911s had really quick shrinkage issues and engine often developed leaks with low miles
I had NO IDEA about this. Thanks!
Wouldn't it be easier on a turbo charged car to let it warm up for at least 2 minutes, maybe 1 or 2 more in sub zero temperatures to give the turbo charger time to spool up a bit and get good oil flow through it before driving?
Synthetic is a beautiful thing
Isn't it already spinning when the it's in idle ?
@@cormaro13 Yes it is but it kind of makes sense to give it at least 30 seconds to a minute to warm up before the higher revs it reaches when driving in above zero temperatures, and in sub zero temperatures 1- 2 minutes might be better. At least I'll be doing that when I get my new, turbo charged car.
You should always warm up your engine to full operating mode
Here in Texas I see people idling their car between 30 and 60 minutes each morning. Even if it is 45 degrees people will do this.
Good for car sales..lol
The people against warming up probably either dont drive or make short local trips. Because there is a lag in performance if you dont warm up.
absolutely
Metal expands when its warm, An engine is made to run at a certain temperature, running it cold destroys the engine. I warm my cars in the winter before driving and run them everyday even if I'm not going anywhere. I get hundreds of miles out of my cars, I currently have an HHR with 250,000 miles and it burns no oil. Also you're burning up your trans running it cold. Funny how you make this video and then at the end you admit that you can damage an engine if you run it too hard cold. PS screw the EPA, how many emissions do you produce idling a car for ten minutes compared to running it for an hour or more, not much.
Merry Christmas to you and your wife.
Imagine not warming up a dump truck 😳.
only time i idle long enough is in cold weather and when i'll be doing short trips. need to get the engine and oil up to temp before i stop the car.
I start my car, coast it for about 30 seconds due to my hill, then just chill under 2k rpm until 150°F oil temp, then I let myself spin the turbo. At 190-200°F, I’ll give my car full beans.
Idc what anyone says. I warm up my mustang until the temp gauge reads optimal. It’s supercharged and I like to step on the pedal a lot so I rather have the engine and oil temps be perfect.
It is not costly. Cost of idling is negligible. Unless you actually count pennies.
Engine is ok but my car don't move at all in this cold weather transmission doesn't response until 10 to 15 mins warm up
I always wait for the rpm to drop to around 1,000. Obviously takes longer in winter but maybe 20 seconds in summer. Not going to jam it into reverse in an auto when it is spinning at cold start 2000 rpm.
I understand what your saying but when the car is really cold inside and the windshield is frozen then it's gonna idle for 10-20 minutes with the defroster blasting.
The fastest way to warm up your car to proper operating temperature is to drive it. I am not saying to race it to warm it, but a nice slow drive. Don't think you are doing any good leaving your manual transmission in first or second. Drive the car to keep the revs low, using a higher gear.
Our alternators aren't from the 90s either, they charge straight away no matter what speed.
You have to prove that idling kills a battery, you say it after all.
i always let my trans mission warm up to 40 degrees before i start moving then drive slow for a few minutes
Thanka
An automobile engine consist of belts and hoses along with various types of fluids. These fluids work better when they're brought up to temperature. You can pay a few cents now or many dollars later. It's your choice.
I can tell you why warming up an engine does make it last longer. First off, just because you have oil pressure in seconds doesn't mean anything. Oil at or near operating range has a million times better lubrication on moving parts then when it's cold. Second, engines are made of different types of metals and they all expand at different rates. When you take off in a cold car you're forcing the metals to expand rapidly and if it's really cold, the piston will actually expand faster than the bore and can even seize or scratch the bore. Another thing that causes major wear is changes in rpm even more so on a cold engine. When you drive it initially you're rpm is going up and down causing major wear. Another thing no one thinks about too is your transmission is cold and that's hard on the clutch packs. Warming up the engine for 10 minutes will let it expand evenly at a nice steady rate, let the oil warm up with no load, and warm up the transmission considerably. Forget the epa rules too it's a joke they send rockets to nowhere to put a show on that pollutes the air more than a million cars do. Of course manufacturers tell you Don warm anything up they need those things to wear out faster so you can buy another 50k car. Excessive idle would be say an hour or somthing not 10 minutes.
It annoying how people feel the need to warm up a car. Oftentimes ruining a perfectly good car. Plus, theirs tire care issue. Oh and topping off the ⛽ . Click, click, click for what reason at the pump. So, many people know nothing about cars. I think people should have to learn the basics if they are going to drive. The way most people get a license is a joke. (how little one needs to know) of course, Its easy to appreciate it when it is time to learn. But, still doesn't mean its a good idea safety wise.
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