As a Greek who watched it live, I understand how Ireland feel. Greece we’re like this for the last few tournaments… basically from 2016 until last year. Ireland had some great moments. Doherty let your team down at the end in a big way though.
@@fitzerelli1 bro sent off for what? He saw his teammate getting assaulted by a Mc Gregor like fool who thinks he can go around assaulting people for no absolute reason…..
Analysis and analysis...Not because I am greek, but now Greece has better team and players as individuals from Ireland. Greetings to our lovely Ireland from Greece.
Nothing to do with being a Dub. Can't get more Dublin than Brian Kerr and he had the media on his back and was turfed out. It is the football hipster media in the likes of Off the Ball combined with the LOI taliban heads that have had him stay in the job 2 years too long. He should have been gone after the debacle against Andorra in June 2021
We've had only two truly elite-level international attacking players in the last 20 years - Robbie Keane and Damien Duff. Kilbane, McGeady, Hoolahan, Doyle and Long were good on their day, but still well below elite level. We don't have the players. We're just shite.
All the players you mentioned were still a class or two above the ones we have now. I remember when Trapp was getting shite for giving mid table championship player at best Paul Green minutes. Imagine telling people then we'd have half a squad of Paul Green's
Kennys had a Euro playoff, two nations leagues, a World Cup and European championship that all have ended in failure…that’s more than enough time…cut our loses after Gibraltar match.
Watch we'll beat gibraltor and certain sections of the irish media will make out everything is back on track again and the fai will setup a winable friendly against san marino for the autumn...quite literally like polishing a smelly turd and strangely its worked for them for entire kenny term..
The days with Trappatoni, Keane and O Neill and McCarthy, and the talk from particularly Richie Sadlier (Aswell as a large Irish brigade) was that the style of play was so bad and we werent getting results.Why not play an attacking manager as how could it get much worse.......and well it got worse.
I actually couldn't watch Ireland during the O'Neill years. Negative back passes from midfield, no attacking ambition, hoping to score from corners. I know it's not much better under Stephen but I would argue it's not worse. It doesn't help when they consistently lose players to England, Cannon again this week. As Liam said we don't have the players at the top level.
I think people make the assumption that because Championship/League One>[insert crappy domestic league here], they assume the players will be better. What they fail to grasp is that the journeymen and fringe players in Greece or Czechia or wherever, generally play in the top teams in their league, and are used to at least trying to play good dominant football. Every Irish player seems to be scrapping for their lives to keep their place in teams that are scrapping for their lives.
Yes, our main goal should be to develop our own league. And until then our young players should be going to Germany, France, the Netherlands, instead of the English lower league meat grinder.
Greece have players playing every season in the champions league. They have a Liverpool player, a player in the eredivisie, the benfica goalkeeper, a player from the Portuguese league
Look at Scotland. Not a crazyily dissimilar squad quality to Ireland. Biggest difference is they don't have a clueless donkey masquerading as manager....
Surely the ability to pass the ball and not cough up possession cheaply is the minimum standard for a professional player. Your average League one or even two player in England would be expected to demonstrate those basics on a consistent basis. Sure, I know this is international level and the opposition are better but so much of the Ireland's failures are self-inflicted. Many of the mistakes are not from opposition pressure but just rampant basic errors. These guys would not be playing professionally if they brought this casual approach into their clubs. Some of the performances have been so bad you would get the impression that the international games were being treated as a kind of break from the weekly professional demands of their clubs. My feeling is that many of the players don't feel they have to put in a shift. Is that a reflection on Stephen Kenny ?
Somebody tell Richie it doesn't matter whether we finish 3rd 4th or 5th. I'll do it meself. Richie, it doesn't matter whether we finish 3rd 4th or 5th.
To him its like as long as we stay ahead of gibraltor and better greece over two games...obviously he's not ambitious type..like a slightly depressing goal
The idea we’re going to outplay these teams is a joke and comes from people who have never done it at the top level like Dunphy and Sadlier. It’s arrogance really, the idea that somehow we should expect to pass our way through the likes of Holland, Greece and France. We need a more pragmatic approach.
I think with someone strong like Ferguson up front we could defo set up to be more counter attacking and compact. At the very least just to get some momentum back and get some positivity back for the development of the younger players.
Kick and rush are over worse teams than ireland pass the ball way its gone..might might accept kick and rush if beat Portugal Spain Italy France Denmark Sweden Norway..bte he does do pragmatic also..he stuck 11 men behind the ball too and does hit it long also
Look at Scotland. Not a crazyily dissimilar squad quality to Ireland. Biggest difference is they don't have a clueless donkey masquerading as manager....
@@tvpc3194 no they all regularly play in Turkey, Greece, Netherlands and all get copious amounts of European football. A few also play in championship. Their players are far more experienced and blooded. Their fullback plays with Liverpool ffs.
His win rate is 27.27%. I’ve never met you in my life Tilbot, but I have full confidence that you’d get something near that, maybe even more from that group of players. If we put Podge and Rodge on the sideline, they’d have a decent chance at getting a 27.27% win rate.
No i disagree, kenny got the job because he promised that Ireland would go out and attack and hopefully play good football, Kenny hasn't really done that. Last nights match, Ireland passed the ball from side to side then back to the keeper. That is the managers fault, look at the French match, Ireland sat back and defended in their own box for most of the match until France scored then Ireland went out to attacked and played some good football and almost scored. Your not going to score goals defending in your own box. That is the fault of the manager. If we are going to loose, at least Ireland should do is try to play attacking football instead of boring defending
Very frustrating. Performances this nation in football couldn't win any game I wouldn't be surprised if Gibraltar won on Monday. We need a new manager that actually has good footballing experience and knows what he's doing not Stephen Kenny. He is out of his depth. It's time for him to go. They have no fight in football no ambition for Ireland's football team. I feel mostly sorry for the people who go to see them play. Shambolic performance by Ireland against Greece tonight it will be 12 years since European championship qualification it will be 24 years without world cup qualification. We need a change ASAP.
Thing about Kenny is there's nothing wrong with how he wants the team to play but he hasn't been able to translate it well to the players. They've no understanding of each other out there. You see lads in loads of space and making good runs and nobody picks them out. And when we do make the passes most of our players lack quality to execute them or the lad on the receiving end gives a poor touch. The decision making is horrendous and the quality is poor. I've also had an issue with almost every line up Kenny has put out. If the FAI wants to continue this development they need a better and more experienced manager. Kenny's work doesn't have to go to waste but he doesn't seem to have it in him to get us to the next step either. Also calling up Jamie McGrath who just finished BOTTOM of the Scottish Prem... yes that shite league his team finished last, is a joke and he's only in the squad because Kenny managed him at Dundalk. He had some lively performances when Kenny brought him in a couple years ago I'll give him credit but he hasn't developed since. Few others in the squad as well who shouldn't be there. I know we haven't a lot of good options but there are some lads you could easily drop in the place of others Anyway sorry for the long comment I just need to vent I'm so annoyed by this team
Look at Scotland. Not a crazyily dissimilar squad quality to Ireland. Biggest difference is they don't have a clueless donkey masquerading as manager....
This country does not deserve football success for several reasons: 1. We are not really interested in football. Soccer is less popular than Gaelic football, hurling and rugby as a spectator sport. Other countries don't have this opposition to contend with. 2. There are two international football teams on this island. There should just be one, as in rugby. Fans of the Republic of Ireland don't want an all-Ireland team, which would have a far better chance of qualifying for the finals of tournaments. 3. Many other countries are fanatical about football. Irish fans are not. They only travel to matches for the 'craic' as they call it. For them, a match is only a means of working up a thirst for the pub afterwards. They are not devastated when they lose. They'll party no matter what.
Finally OTB are opening there eyes the public especially league of ireland fans are completely deluded about Kenny as a manger. The Kenny IN supporters think thay if you disagree with Kenny being appointed as manger is somehow saying we go back to the old way of kicking up the pitch and hope for the best far from it. The facts are he isn't a good enough manger to get ireland to qualify for a major tournament. HOPEFULLY the majority speak there mind after this performance and sack Kenny enough is enough.
I hate listening to Sadlier. He's like a dumb, unfunny facsimile Dunphy. He knows he has to say hyperbolic things to stay employed because he is not an Ireland legend.
We need an experienced International manager last night Northern Ireland Under Michael O,Neil with a far worse squad played better football and were Very unlucky not to draw with Denmark . It is all about the manager when you do not have a Talented team. He has had his chance we are out after 2 games....again.
I honestly don’t understand what magic Michael O’Neill has but it never seems to be commented on in the media in the south. It proves that we can’t just blab on about not having the players. It’s no excuse for us.
Look at Scotland. Not a crazyily dissimilar squad quality to Ireland. Biggest difference is they don't have a clueless donkey masquerading as manager....
@tvpc3194 "LOI fanboys" the likes of you are the reason the international team and domestic league are suffering. When you going over to Old Trafford to the Stretford end with your Irish flag and season ticket? West Brit.
Yes,correct but again what’s point of selecting Jack and not playing and not giving him a chance is criminal.Kenny prefers McGrath,even though he’s a good player.
Jack Byrne is shite stop praising him. He gave a horrible back pass because he was caught out when we played Bulgaria. Good in the League of Ireland though, one of the best.
Lack of interest by FAI in LOI continues to bite. People pay a grand to go see Liverpool and won't pay a tenner to go see hoops or rovers. FAI should get more focussed.
Richie Sadier and co is responsible for where we are under Kenny. Idealism about playing ‘good football’ over pragmatism got us to this point. Is this the good football we were told we would play? Give me a hard to beat, pragmatic Irish team any day of the week.
Astutue observation by the younger pundit, about Irish players not "anticipating" the unfolding play in front of them. You can't anticipate something when your opposition's football brain is better than yours..
Why should Ireland expect to beat Greece? Irish league nowhere near as good as Greek league and Irish players no longer on the whole play in England. Have to face reality. Its the level they are at.
If the rumours are true about Kenny and the Spurs job it's easy to see why his head might not have been on the job for the last few weeks. He needs to remember who pays his wages right now.
All the talk about possession football from Kenny was the panacea for a new era for Eire, now we see the results (the game is about results in the end nothing else matters) Kenny's complete lack of know how at this level is appalling, yes we play possession in our half boringly knocking it across back and forth while the opposition say let them have in their own half we wait and play a pass move game as Greece did very effectively, their is little or no product at the end of most of our movements. Stats show we depend on set pieces and defenders scoring, we do have good not great but good players of that there is no doubt, we just need some honesty from those in charge and admit Kenny never had the credentials to manage at international level apart from under 21s ( a different level and no comparison ).
We need to get real about Irish football. We're the only country in Europe that doesnt have a proper league. We used go get away with it when english premier league clubs only had players from UK and Ireland so we'd get a few playing in the prem. Thats never going to happen again because the premier league is so global now. We need to put a 10-15 year plan in place and become a proper footballing nation with a proper league. Where not as small as we make out either. Same pob as Denmark, Norway, Scotland all with decent leagues.
Greece could have had 4 or 5. It was a very poor Irish performance. Sadly we just don't have the players. Eavan Ferguson might become a top player but the passing from the midfield was shocking. Kenny is not really up to international management. Can't remember Irish football being this bad.
All of these players are professional footballers, so why do they not work on their technical abilities. It looked like they were afraid when they had the ball, and they invariably gave it back to the Greeks. Am i naive to think that an Irish player can have the same technical abilities as other countries? Is there something in the genetics of an Irish footballer that prevents him to feel comfortable when in possession?
I was never behind Kenny from the start. He's been out of his depth trying to play like Barcelona with the group of players he has had. O'Neill and Keane should still be there. Fans mightn't of liked theur ways but its our best chance. They're not silly.
Folks. We've been punching above our weight now for 20 years. 2002 was the last EXCELLENT Irish team. Euro 2012 was a shambles. 2016 papered over cracks to a point. We don't have the quality. We've barely any top level players, who play in top divisions - week in, week out. This result is no surprise. I wouldn't go bashing the manager. He's trying to change our way if playing. It has worked in some games. But we have absolutely no skill, and quality in midfield. It's just not gonna happen until at LEAST.....2028. Good times are over. And the FAI are theme culprits. Shirehawks since the 1970s.
Jose morinho or klopp would do no better than kenny, irelands team is dire, brutal. Not one top class player in that squad...ferguson has scored about 4 premiership goals and overhyped..rest just brutal
Mc carty got us to a playoff with some of those players and probably not a better group of players either o Neill got us to the euros scottish national team are heading for automatic qualifying even though we beat them last year we can do alot better with a proven international manager I like kenny but he had his chance need to move on
No but in this case it's both. He might have a better group of players but without a guy in charge who knows what to do to maximize their potential then it fails anyway
Kenny is DOOMED For the sack, there is no hope for him ever getting Ireland to a major finals, once he lost at home to tiny Luxembourg he was exposed as a manager with nothing to offer from a winning, creative goalscoring standpoint. A new vibrant high energy passionate creative oversees manager is required immediately to stop the feefall of Ireland into the abyss of 5th seeds for the 2026 World Cup Qualifiers.
Not only are the top Irish players non-existent now, but the decent English players they used to fill half the squad up with seem to have dried up as well.
I don't watch Ireland matches even tho I'm Irish. Haven't in a good while. U go through a range of emotions when watching them tho. Despair, laughter, anger, disillusionment, embarrassment. They can't even string together a couple basic passes. It either will go out for a throw or into row z. Woeful.
Not sure the manager should catch all the blame. We do not have players who play in top teams or even regularly. The skill level is relatively low. Perhaps the manager should realise their limitations and have a game plan they can execute. But less and until we have better players to select we should be realistic in our expectations.
Michael Duffy and Jack Byrne should be starting for ireland. The best out and out winger and the most creative player ireland have not starting is a shambles and all because they play in the leauge of ireland ? Madness if you ask me
We all knew that this campaign is too big and a big task.But ok,it’s good to go to training camp and all of the things you would like to do,so questions will be asked about why it was necessary to go to training camp,what roles were they,what were they trying to do?. I just think we need to understand what roles are the players suppose to do,why did they do differently?.Where’s the passion?.Where’s our tackle?.How did we play slow?.Why didn’t we substitute for earlier?.We’re underdogs,we’re not going to be Brazil, at the end of the day,it’s a result business, and you’ll be judged by your performance and not winning games,so this is where Stephen is at the moment, he’s out of his depth,I just don’t like watching his interviews and press conferences, he seems to me bored and tried,he’s a league of Ireland manager at his best,I thought when he decided to become the new manager of Ireland,he’ll be good,Slovakia was an opportunity to go to the euros,we didn’t win because of penalties, we should have won,same as Portugal,I gave Stephen a chance to prove he could be good but the problem is he thought we’re going to win,a historic,well, I think Stephen is wrong and we need a manager who needs to look at the midfield,midfield is still a problem,we all know that, we all gave Molumby and Cullen praised for their performance but last night showed everything and Stephen should be a manager of under-21,he was fantastic,the game against Italy was a moment to never forget,it’s evident,some of performances were brilliantly and enjoyable but tonight’s game was a reflection on not only how bad we played, but the reality was we didn’t learn our lesson to tackle, the pressure,give the ball away so many times so this is why Greece were confident,the crowd knew it’ll be win and Greece had got spaces,where Doherty and Smallboune were,easy to the left-back of Greece they were brilliant from start to finish,it’s evident to me,the players who the manager selected,it tells you everything about hardly playing their clubs, they have to play and move on,let’s face it,club managers see different ways and stick with.
Has Ireland beaten a "top" team in a real game over the last 25 years? Italy and Germany come to mind, but both of those had already qualified from their groups at that stage. I think v Croatia in '98 was the last time Ireland beat a top team in a competitive game. Shocking to see it so.
@@jackmurphy6864 I look it at it like this, whatever you think about Ireland not having a decent team is all well and good. But with a squad of similar standard of players, McCarthy left Kenny with a very good shot of getting to the last Euros. There was only Slovakia and Northern Ireland he had to beat. The FAI have done everything to get the public onside with this man but I just don't think he is able to cut it. Who have we beaten under him. The best was probably Scotland in a Nations League game, other than that it's been the Gibraltar's and Azerbaijan's of this world. And in many of those games, we've struggled at times to put them away as well. That is down to coaching too so while it may not be entirely his fault, every good manager knows that he has to take responsibility, no matter the circumstances. In fact I remember Azerbaijan coming to Dublin and teaching us a lesson in how to play, a team consisting of players that are no better than the Turkish 2nd Division giving us a lesson? That's why I don't get the focus on possession football when we can't even outplay teams we on paper should be beating comfortably.
Why all the angst. We don't have and haven't had for a long time the players. Accept it. Out time will come again - but not in the immediacy. The concentration should be on youth development and on building LOI up.
I wonder how many supporters will turn up at aviva on Monday night? Thank christ for our rugby team, at least they put in a shift in the green Jersey every time they play, the fai could approach a Graham Potter or even dare I say it Rafa benitez, i don't think this group of players respect Stephen Kenny, benitez would get that respect, just a thought.
Stephen Kenny couldn't cut it in the Scottish league!!! Ireland, a country that rewards failure.... How can anyone expect success with players who can't get their game in lower level league clubs and a manager out of his depth
@@degeautd40 we can celebrate losing to Portugal when we beat Luxembourg. Until then we look like fools, losing to Luxembourg and giving ourselves a pat on the back for not getting absolutely fucked against Portugal.
We are like a Dung Beetel pushing a ball of shite around, and that will never change unless the FAI wake up and start pounding this government to let them know that there is more than just GAA in this country and they need to be putting more funds and programs into soccer at grass root levels.
Sorry to say , Ireland looked like they didn't really want to play a game of football . They were hopeless , legless , disinterested , careless . RUBBISH . Come on we can do way better . Stephen Kenny sorry , the writing is on the wall .
Maybe the Ireland team needs a few Female to Male trans players, it would bring some much needed testosterone to the team. Plus the team seems really transphobic at the moment because there are none.
He’s been there for a few tournaments now surly it’s his job to get them playing his systems whatever the are and he’s not doing it get someone in there who can shocking again last night
It was a booze fest as usual. Players drinking with loser Irish sports journalists. If a manager puts boot in, sports journalists back players every time.
Its just embarrassing to watch . All round . The faI , manager, player's, . Someone will want to tell the player's. The player's just want to do interviews and stay infront of a tv . . rte commentary is so WOKE and broke .
Very impartial comments. As a Greek ,I'd like to say that the Greece team is a very poor one . Only our defence is of international standard ,midfield and ( much worse) attack are much below par . On Monday will be humiliated by France .
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Well done Greece brilliant performance.🇬🇷👍...
Well done Denmark brilliant performance 👏
A real tragedy alright 😆😆 🇬🇷 🇬🇷 🇬🇷
@@tiocfaidharla3200 when they Hammered the republic of Ireland, 5-1 at the Aviva. Erikson was on fire that night...
@@celinejohnston3694 well done the kazakhstan 🇰🇿 👏
@@tiocfaidharla3200 Kazakhstan would beat the republic of Ireland and northern Ireland together!!!
As a Greek who watched it live, I understand how Ireland feel. Greece we’re like this for the last few tournaments… basically from 2016 until last year. Ireland had some great moments. Doherty let your team down at the end in a big way though.
Don't worry we understand as well
The Greek player should have been sent off as well. But Greece were better and deserved to win.
@@frfras7 Tsimikas was already on a yellow.
@@diarmuidkelleher5319 I said most a yellow . If he already had one no he shouldn’t get one more for that and red
@@fitzerelli1 bro sent off for what? He saw his teammate getting assaulted by a Mc Gregor like fool who thinks he can go around assaulting people for no absolute reason…..
Analysis and analysis...Not because I am greek, but now Greece has better team and players as individuals from Ireland. Greetings to our lovely Ireland from Greece.
Anyone does we are hopeless😂
🇬🇷 have Gus Poyet, Ireland 🇮🇪 have Stephen Kenny. Enough Said. If he wasn’t a Dub; he’d be gone 2 years ago!
**** off. Culchie tool
So your inferiority complex has remained no matter how far away you are
Nothing to do with being a Dub. Can't get more Dublin than Brian Kerr and he had the media on his back and was turfed out. It is the football hipster media in the likes of Off the Ball combined with the LOI taliban heads that have had him stay in the job 2 years too long. He should have been gone after the debacle against Andorra in June 2021
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Spot on a useless pub manager I'm delighted sure give the aviva to the Africans the new Irish can watch kennys team
We've had only two truly elite-level international attacking players in the last 20 years - Robbie Keane and Damien Duff. Kilbane, McGeady, Hoolahan, Doyle and Long were good on their day, but still well below elite level. We don't have the players. We're just shite.
Roy keane ??
@@mikedon5205not n the last 20 years, not since he walked out of the team in 2002. Before then, yes of course.
All the players you mentioned were still a class or two above the ones we have now. I remember when Trapp was getting shite for giving mid table championship player at best Paul Green minutes. Imagine telling people then we'd have half a squad of Paul Green's
None of those are elite
Keane was good ,but not elite
No chance of qualifying
That guy looks like a younger Pep G
@@Michael020Prime Duff was elite in his Blackburn and Chelsea days, 2002 World Cup performances, etc.
Kennys had a Euro playoff, two nations leagues, a World Cup and European championship that all have ended in failure…that’s more than enough time…cut our loses after Gibraltar match.
True
Yeah he's not international level coach. Which is very cut throat
Yes I agree do admire kenny for trying but not up to it
Watch we'll beat gibraltor and certain sections of the irish media will make out everything is back on track again and the fai will setup a winable friendly against san marino for the autumn...quite literally like polishing a smelly turd and strangely its worked for them for entire kenny term..
The days with Trappatoni, Keane and O Neill and McCarthy, and the talk from particularly Richie Sadlier (Aswell as a large Irish brigade) was that the style of play was so bad and we werent getting results.Why not play an attacking manager as how could it get much worse.......and well it got worse.
It was getting worse anyway, O’Neill lost 5-1 to Denmark and in his last year he won zero competitive matches, winning one friendly match all year
I actually couldn't watch Ireland during the O'Neill years. Negative back passes from midfield, no attacking ambition, hoping to score from corners.
I know it's not much better under Stephen but I would argue it's not worse.
It doesn't help when they consistently lose players to England, Cannon again this week.
As Liam said we don't have the players at the top level.
@@patrickfarrell5092 results are worse though….
@@peterpauloreilly4993 no argument there
Yes results are worse but now we lose by 1 goal most those matches
I think people make the assumption that because Championship/League One>[insert crappy domestic league here], they assume the players will be better. What they fail to grasp is that the journeymen and fringe players in Greece or Czechia or wherever, generally play in the top teams in their league, and are used to at least trying to play good dominant football. Every Irish player seems to be scrapping for their lives to keep their place in teams that are scrapping for their lives.
Yes, our main goal should be to develop our own league. And until then our young players should be going to Germany, France, the Netherlands, instead of the English lower league meat grinder.
Greece have players playing every season in the champions league. They have a Liverpool player, a player in the eredivisie, the benfica goalkeeper, a player from the Portuguese league
Very true new manager probably improve results but be back square 1 again
Look at Scotland. Not a crazyily dissimilar squad quality to Ireland. Biggest difference is they don't have a clueless donkey masquerading as manager....
Surely the ability to pass the ball and not cough up possession cheaply is the minimum standard for a professional player. Your average League one or even two player in England would be expected to demonstrate those basics on a consistent basis. Sure, I know this is international level and the opposition are better but so much of the Ireland's failures are self-inflicted. Many of the mistakes are not from opposition pressure but just rampant basic errors. These guys would not be playing professionally if they brought this casual approach into their clubs. Some of the performances have been so bad you would get the impression that the international games were being treated as a kind of break from the weekly professional demands of their clubs. My feeling is that many of the players don't feel they have to put in a shift. Is that a reflection on Stephen Kenny ?
Somebody tell Richie it doesn't matter whether we finish 3rd 4th or 5th.
I'll do it meself. Richie, it doesn't matter whether we finish 3rd 4th or 5th.
He didn't hear you.
To him its like as long as we stay ahead of gibraltor and better greece over two games...obviously he's not ambitious type..like a slightly depressing goal
Is one of the analysts the great Liam Brady????
France,Greece,Holland,Gibraltar,Ireland is how the table will finish.
I hope so as a Greek, but it will be tough.
That looks about right although if it was a comedy Sketch Ireland would win
France Holland Greece Ireland Gib
That’s ridiculous.
The idea we’re going to outplay these teams is a joke and comes from people who have never done it at the top level like Dunphy and Sadlier. It’s arrogance really, the idea that somehow we should expect to pass our way through the likes of Holland, Greece and France. We need a more pragmatic approach.
I think with someone strong like Ferguson up front we could defo set up to be more counter attacking and compact. At the very least just to get some momentum back and get some positivity back for the development of the younger players.
Kick and rush are over worse teams than ireland pass the ball way its gone..might might accept kick and rush if beat Portugal Spain Italy France Denmark Sweden Norway..bte he does do pragmatic also..he stuck 11 men behind the ball too and does hit it long also
Look at Scotland. Not a crazyily dissimilar squad quality to Ireland. Biggest difference is they don't have a clueless donkey masquerading as manager....
This current squad would struggle in the Championship.
When Grealish and Rice come back from injury we will be a completely different team and when Ferguson is 24
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Brady is spot on,we don't have the quality,championship level at best,
No manager can do anything with our championship sub bench shite, I say this with no joy or anger.
higher standard then what the greek players play in
@@tvpc3194 no they all regularly play in Turkey, Greece, Netherlands and all get copious amounts of European football. A few also play in championship. Their players are far more experienced and blooded. Their fullback plays with Liverpool ffs.
Good luck to you guys moving forward
His win rate is 27.27%. I’ve never met you in my life Tilbot, but I have full confidence that you’d get something near that, maybe even more from that group of players. If we put Podge and Rodge on the sideline, they’d have a decent chance at getting a 27.27% win rate.
No i disagree, kenny got the job because he promised that Ireland would go out and attack and hopefully play good football, Kenny hasn't really done that. Last nights match, Ireland passed the ball from side to side then back to the keeper. That is the managers fault, look at the French match, Ireland sat back and defended in their own box for most of the match until France scored then Ireland went out to attacked and played some good football and almost scored. Your not going to score goals defending in your own box. That is the fault of the manager. If we are going to loose, at least Ireland should do is try to play attacking football instead of boring defending
Very frustrating. Performances this nation in football couldn't win any game I wouldn't be surprised if Gibraltar won on Monday. We need a new manager that actually has good footballing experience and knows what he's doing not Stephen Kenny. He is out of his depth. It's time for him to go. They have no fight in football no ambition for Ireland's football team. I feel mostly sorry for the people who go to see them play. Shambolic performance by Ireland against Greece tonight it will be 12 years since European championship qualification it will be 24 years without world cup qualification. We need a change ASAP.
Thing about Kenny is there's nothing wrong with how he wants the team to play but he hasn't been able to translate it well to the players. They've no understanding of each other out there. You see lads in loads of space and making good runs and nobody picks them out. And when we do make the passes most of our players lack quality to execute them or the lad on the receiving end gives a poor touch. The decision making is horrendous and the quality is poor. I've also had an issue with almost every line up Kenny has put out. If the FAI wants to continue this development they need a better and more experienced manager. Kenny's work doesn't have to go to waste but he doesn't seem to have it in him to get us to the next step either.
Also calling up Jamie McGrath who just finished BOTTOM of the Scottish Prem... yes that shite league his team finished last, is a joke and he's only in the squad because Kenny managed him at Dundalk. He had some lively performances when Kenny brought him in a couple years ago I'll give him credit but he hasn't developed since.
Few others in the squad as well who shouldn't be there. I know we haven't a lot of good options but there are some lads you could easily drop in the place of others
Anyway sorry for the long comment I just need to vent I'm so annoyed by this team
2016 left out but I get ya and 24 years no world Cup Stephen only part of that too tho
@@RyAn-sj7ckagree with everything you said me my brothers felt same way
Some players went abroad need more to follow one at inter one at Milan 2 in bundesliga..1 at Seville 1 at Getafe.
Look at Scotland. Not a crazyily dissimilar squad quality to Ireland. Biggest difference is they don't have a clueless donkey masquerading as manager....
This country does not deserve football success for several reasons:
1. We are not really interested in football. Soccer is less popular than Gaelic football, hurling and rugby as a spectator sport. Other countries don't have this opposition to contend with.
2. There are two international football teams on this island. There should just be one, as in rugby. Fans of the Republic of Ireland don't want an all-Ireland team, which would have a far better chance of qualifying for the finals of tournaments.
3. Many other countries are fanatical about football. Irish fans are not. They only travel to matches for the 'craic' as they call it. For them, a match is only a means of working up a thirst for the pub afterwards. They are not devastated when they lose. They'll party no matter what.
Any excuse for a powers or a Guinness.😋
Why they will accept kick and rush long as can have few drinks at tournaments
Finally OTB are opening there eyes the public especially league of ireland fans are completely deluded about Kenny as a manger. The Kenny IN supporters think thay if you disagree with Kenny being appointed as manger is somehow saying we go back to the old way of kicking up the pitch and hope for the best far from it. The facts are he isn't a good enough manger to get ireland to qualify for a major tournament. HOPEFULLY the majority speak there mind after this performance and sack Kenny enough is enough.
Keep style change the manager what other nations do
When did Sadlier get the right to judge? Liam did something in the game. Beyond underage football. Might as well listen to Daragh as Sadlier.
haha thought the same myself
I hate listening to Sadlier. He's like a dumb, unfunny facsimile Dunphy. He knows he has to say hyperbolic things to stay employed because he is not an Ireland legend.
We need an experienced International manager last night Northern Ireland Under Michael O,Neil with a far worse squad played better football and were Very unlucky not to draw with Denmark . It is all about the manager when you do not have a Talented team. He has had his chance we are out after 2 games....again.
I honestly don’t understand what magic Michael O’Neill has but it never seems to be commented on in the media in the south. It proves that we can’t just blab on about not having the players. It’s no excuse for us.
Dunphy mentioned him before to take over before kenny arrived so wasn't unnoticed
His LOI fanboys will now start blaming the standard of players and make out he has laid great foundations for the future lol
Can it not be the players, and manager, and fai, and national development structures. It doesn't have to be a dichotomy
Idea is right manager in charge isn't
Look at Scotland. Not a crazyily dissimilar squad quality to Ireland. Biggest difference is they don't have a clueless donkey masquerading as manager....
@tvpc3194 "LOI fanboys" the likes of you are the reason the international team and domestic league are suffering. When you going over to Old Trafford to the Stretford end with your Irish flag and season ticket? West Brit.
Jack Byrne should of been playing...he actually knows how to score!
Yes,correct but again what’s point of selecting Jack and not playing and not giving him a chance is criminal.Kenny prefers McGrath,even though he’s a good player.
Jack Byrne is shite stop praising him. He gave a horrible back pass because he was caught out when we played Bulgaria. Good in the League of Ireland though, one of the best.
Kenny out
Lack of interest by FAI in LOI continues to bite. People pay a grand to go see Liverpool and won't pay a tenner to go see hoops or rovers. FAI should get more focussed.
Richie Sadier and co is responsible for where we are under Kenny. Idealism about playing ‘good football’ over pragmatism got us to this point. Is this the good football we were told we would play?
Give me a hard to beat, pragmatic Irish team any day of the week.
We've been easy to beat for decades.
While shite to watch
@@daviegorman6375 Useless footballer and a worse pundit.
@@barry8497 bit harsh he was in the u21 team that finished 3rd in a play off.
Kenny has to go he cant have anymore chances if he wasnt from the loi he be gone long time ago
What manager do you think would get more out of this squad? Genuine question
@@gerard.villa1I'd get Chris hughton now
@@mikedon5205 That's actually a great shout 👏🏻
Someone with a bit more experience at a higher level nt just the league of ireland and Scotland
Astutue observation by the younger pundit, about Irish players not "anticipating" the unfolding play in front of them. You can't anticipate something when your opposition's football brain is better than yours..
Why should Ireland expect to beat Greece? Irish league nowhere near as good as Greek league and Irish players no longer on the whole play in England. Have to face reality. Its the level they are at.
So true completely unrealistic as always us Irish Football.
If the rumours are true about Kenny and the Spurs job it's easy to see why his head might not have been on the job for the last few weeks. He needs to remember who pays his wages right now.
What? When was this reported?
What's spurs? When, how, where? Spurs? Why ever would levy do that?
All the talk about possession football from Kenny was the panacea for a new era for Eire, now we see the results (the game is about results in the end nothing else matters) Kenny's complete lack of know how at this level is appalling, yes we play possession in our half boringly knocking it across back and forth while the opposition say let them have in their own half we wait and play a pass move game as Greece did very effectively, their is little or no product at the end of most of our movements. Stats show we depend on set pieces and defenders scoring, we do have good not great but good players of that there is no doubt, we just need some honesty from those in charge and admit Kenny never had the credentials to manage at international level apart from under 21s ( a different level and no comparison ).
Keep the idea just get manger who knows how to play it Rodgers like it or not Is free
We need to get real about Irish football. We're the only country in Europe that doesnt have a proper league. We used go get away with it when english premier league clubs only had players from UK and Ireland so we'd get a few playing in the prem. Thats never going to happen again because the premier league is so global now. We need to put a 10-15 year plan in place and become a proper footballing nation with a proper league. Where not as small as we make out either. Same pob as Denmark, Norway, Scotland all with decent leagues.
what about wales?
Greece could have had 4 or 5. It was a very poor Irish performance. Sadly we just don't have the players. Eavan Ferguson might become a top player but the passing from the midfield was shocking. Kenny is not really up to international management. Can't remember Irish football being this bad.
what's with Liam Brady pronouncing Doherty as Docherty
All of these players are professional footballers, so why do they not work on their technical abilities. It looked like they were afraid when they had the ball, and they invariably gave it back to the Greeks. Am i naive to think that an Irish player can have the same technical abilities as other countries? Is there something in the genetics of an Irish footballer that prevents him to feel comfortable when in possession?
We can has start from grass roots Greece have teams in champions league for decades
Thanks for these 👍
I was never behind Kenny from the start. He's been out of his depth trying to play like Barcelona with the group of players he has had. O'Neill and Keane should still be there. Fans mightn't of liked theur ways but its our best chance. They're not silly.
Big Sam is looking.😊
These teams are cannon fodder for the good ones.
Folks. We've been punching above our weight now for 20 years. 2002 was the last EXCELLENT Irish team. Euro 2012 was a shambles. 2016 papered over cracks to a point. We don't have the quality. We've barely any top level players, who play in top divisions - week in, week out.
This result is no surprise. I wouldn't go bashing the manager. He's trying to change our way if playing. It has worked in some games. But we have absolutely no skill, and quality in midfield. It's just not gonna happen until at LEAST.....2028.
Good times are over. And the FAI are theme culprits. Shirehawks since the 1970s.
Jose morinho or klopp would do no better than kenny, irelands team is dire, brutal. Not one top class player in that squad...ferguson has scored about 4 premiership goals and overhyped..rest just brutal
Mc carty got us to a playoff with some of those players and probably not a better group of players either o Neill got us to the euros scottish national team are heading for automatic qualifying even though we beat them last year we can do alot better with a proven international manager I like kenny but he had his chance need to move on
He plays the right way though lol, looks like pundits have changed their tune now on this, only took them 3 years. Wow football is about results.
People talking bout the manager....if you've no top players,you will not win matches
Ireland are minnows in football...stick to the rugby 👍
No but in this case it's both. He might have a better group of players but without a guy in charge who knows what to do to maximize their potential then it fails anyway
Up to this point there was improvement, but its fallen flat in one pivotal match.
Kenny is DOOMED For the sack, there is no hope for him ever getting Ireland to a major finals, once he lost at home to tiny Luxembourg he was exposed as a manager with nothing to offer from a winning, creative goalscoring standpoint.
A new vibrant high energy passionate creative oversees manager is required immediately to stop the feefall of Ireland into the abyss of 5th seeds for the 2026 World Cup Qualifiers.
Hahaha are you that Mr Trappatonis agent ??
Does he care,? he's on a big big salary..
Not only are the top Irish players non-existent now, but the decent English players they used to fill half the squad up with seem to have dried up as well.
I don't watch Ireland matches even tho I'm Irish. Haven't in a good while.
U go through a range of emotions when watching them tho. Despair, laughter, anger, disillusionment, embarrassment. They can't even string together a couple basic passes. It either will go out for a throw or into row z. Woeful.
😭😭😂😂
Not sure the manager should catch all the blame. We do not have players who play in top teams or even regularly. The skill level is relatively low. Perhaps the manager should realise their limitations and have a game plan they can execute. But less and until we have better players to select we should be realistic in our expectations.
Skill and confidence and regular game at high level.
Michael Duffy and Jack Byrne should be starting for ireland. The best out and out winger and the most creative player ireland have not starting is a shambles and all because they play in the leauge of ireland ? Madness if you ask me
We all knew that this campaign is too big and a big task.But ok,it’s good to go to training camp and all of the things you would like to do,so questions will be asked about why it was necessary to go to training camp,what roles were they,what were they trying to do?. I just think we need to understand what roles are the players suppose to do,why did they do differently?.Where’s the passion?.Where’s our tackle?.How did we play slow?.Why didn’t we substitute for earlier?.We’re underdogs,we’re not going to be Brazil,
at the end of the day,it’s a result business, and you’ll be judged by your performance and not winning games,so this is where Stephen is at the moment, he’s out of his depth,I just don’t like watching his interviews and press conferences, he seems to me bored and tried,he’s a league of Ireland manager at his best,I thought when he decided to become the new manager of Ireland,he’ll be good,Slovakia was an opportunity to go to the euros,we didn’t win because of penalties, we should have won,same as Portugal,I gave Stephen a chance to prove he could be good but the problem is he thought we’re going to win,a historic,well, I think Stephen is wrong and we need a manager who needs to look at the midfield,midfield is still a problem,we all know that, we all gave Molumby and Cullen praised for their performance but last night showed everything and Stephen should be a manager of under-21,he was fantastic,the game against Italy was a moment to never forget,it’s evident,some of performances were brilliantly and enjoyable but tonight’s game was a reflection on not only how bad we played, but the reality was we didn’t learn our lesson to tackle, the pressure,give the ball away so many times so this is why Greece were confident,the crowd knew it’ll be win and Greece had got spaces,where Doherty and Smallboune were,easy to the left-back of Greece they were brilliant from start to finish,it’s evident to me,the players who the manager selected,it tells you everything about hardly playing their clubs, they have to play and move on,let’s face it,club managers see different ways and stick with.
Good performance overall
Has Ireland beaten a "top" team in a real game over the last 25 years?
Italy and Germany come to mind, but both of those had already qualified from their groups at that stage.
I think v Croatia in '98 was the last time Ireland beat a top team in a competitive game.
Shocking to see it so.
Holland in 2002 was a big result but still a long, long time ago.
@@johnzotheclown Yes, true. Forgot about that 👍
@@jackmurphy6864 I look it at it like this, whatever you think about Ireland not having a decent team is all well and good. But with a squad of similar standard of players, McCarthy left Kenny with a very good shot of getting to the last Euros. There was only Slovakia and Northern Ireland he had to beat. The FAI have done everything to get the public onside with this man but I just don't think he is able to cut it. Who have we beaten under him. The best was probably Scotland in a Nations League game, other than that it's been the Gibraltar's and Azerbaijan's of this world. And in many of those games, we've struggled at times to put them away as well. That is down to coaching too so while it may not be entirely his fault, every good manager knows that he has to take responsibility, no matter the circumstances.
In fact I remember Azerbaijan coming to Dublin and teaching us a lesson in how to play, a team consisting of players that are no better than the Turkish 2nd Division giving us a lesson? That's why I don't get the focus on possession football when we can't even outplay teams we on paper should be beating comfortably.
Money has destroyed this game
Kenny Is A Farmer
Ireland Is A Joke
hi, don't knock us farmers😂
Are Ireland any good at 🥱 cricket.
Ireland are good side but I'm greece fan I love hellas
Why all the angst. We don't have and haven't had for a long time the players. Accept it. Out time will come again - but not in the immediacy. The concentration should be on youth development and on building LOI up.
Arragh shure they wouldn't bate Clonmel Town.
On a more important thing I'm shocked they didn't have the token woman on giving her wonderful tuppence opinion
hahaha i know right
Ireland will always be a hit and hope , long ball specialists...
You are about 3 years late with your comment.
Not bad if you have a Niall Quinn.
That's not how we played when we had Roy Keane or John Giles in midfield
Obviously not or we might of had a chance against Greece ya clown
Where are the Kenny fans now? Gone as quiet as the Pro-Vaxxers. Not a bloody peep out of them.
You made a bit of a fool of yourself by bringing in the vaccination bit.
You are working with a blunt instrument
I hope you're dping okay. Coming out with spontaneous remarks like that.
@@boatman6865 put your mask on and pipe down
Kenny in masks out happy
@@degeautd40 gimp
I wonder how many supporters will turn up at aviva on Monday night? Thank christ for our rugby team, at least they put in a shift in the green Jersey every time they play, the fai could approach a Graham Potter or even dare I say it Rafa benitez, i don't think this group of players respect Stephen Kenny, benitez would get that respect, just a thought.
It'll be near full on Monday. The rugby players can fuck off to Ravenhill and sing God Save the King
Ask any rugby experts they say because system they have we don't have one
Stephen Kenny couldn't cut it in the Scottish league!!! Ireland, a country that rewards failure.... How can anyone expect success with players who can't get their game in lower level league clubs and a manager out of his depth
It's like watching a comedy Sketch because this can't be real
England Rly Is A Farmer's League Hahahahahahaha!! 😎😁😉
5/6 Year's Won By OilChester Pity
So Ireland is now a feeder league to leagues under a farmer's league? ? It's a long climb out of there 😢 how has it got this bad?
ireland has often played well under kenny (without many results) - this was dispiriting, though - and puzzling.
When? Irelands crowning achievement under Kenny has been a 1-0 loss to France.
Lost but Portugal and Serbia were good performances lost on pens v Serbia why failed qualify
@@degeautd40 we can celebrate losing to Portugal when we beat Luxembourg. Until then we look like fools, losing to Luxembourg and giving ourselves a pat on the back for not getting absolutely fucked against Portugal.
Our players are as shite as the manager but as Brady said...ud surely get a result every now and again
As a scotsman i feel for you all but football is cyclical,and ireland will have their time again.
We need a manager
We need a team
Enough is enough. 3 years of this 🤡. A failed euros,world cup 2 nations leauge 4 wins in 23 competive games
2 of those wins were against Gibraltar 😂
I can't even watch them anymore..
Plodders
Greece are top side on there day
Ireland international football is a shambles.
Ireland is a small country and soccer is not even the most popular sport. I think Ireland will struggle regardless of the management
We need a new Manager...............RODDY COLLINS IS THAT MAN
The stadium was half empty and they still beat us, were a joke.
Paddy cannot play the game!! It takes intelligence, creativity and the courage to play the game.
The tickets were expensive for most people to come also the fans waive been disappointed int last years
We are like a Dung Beetel pushing a ball of shite around, and that will never change unless the FAI wake up and start pounding this government to let them know that there is more than just GAA in this country and they need to be putting more funds and programs into soccer at grass root levels.
Sorry to say , Ireland looked like they didn't really want to play a game of football . They were hopeless , legless , disinterested ,
careless . RUBBISH . Come on we can do way better . Stephen Kenny sorry , the writing is on the wall .
Lads, at least we arent last.....
Time to appoint Chris Hughton this jokes gone on long enough
Too late, he's the Ghana manager
At least we’ll have at least one Irishman at a major tournament
Maybe the Ireland team needs a few Female to Male trans players, it would bring some much needed testosterone to the team. Plus the team seems really transphobic at the moment because there are none.
Greece will get 3rd under Poyet
Depressing
Players on holiday...go figure
How can Ireland blame the manager when the players are clearly at fault
He’s been there for a few tournaments now surly it’s his job to get them playing his systems whatever the are and he’s not doing it get someone in there who can shocking again last night
Loi should be a feeder league to a prem club, with their training methods. System is producing nothing bar ferguson.
@designatedproductions746 who things is not workikg . Were pridcuing weaker and qeaker tesmd for the last 25 years
🇪🇸 HAHAHAHAHAHA 😉
Laliga Absolutely OWN'S The English Farmer's League ~ Fact ✍️
Don't Cry Now I Only Speak The Truth 🤫 HA!!
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Real Madrid were excellent in the Champions’ League… 😳😳😳😳 Surely, the time has come for you to actually write something new. Embarrassing.
Well don’t Greece but don’t get ahead of yourselves, this is one of the weakest European teams for over a decade!
It was a booze fest as usual. Players drinking with loser Irish sports journalists.
If a manager puts boot in, sports journalists back players every time.
Where not good enough
Big sam and robbie keane bye bye kenny
You need to steal more English players and managers 😂😂
We try to and still fail. What a mess
Sad mighty England stealing ours
@@degeautd40 the key word is mighty 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Steve Kenny should have been already sack and Wayne Rooney now would be Manager
Its just embarrassing to watch . All round . The faI , manager, player's, . Someone will want to tell the player's. The player's just want to do interviews and stay infront of a tv . . rte commentary is so WOKE and broke .
Very impartial comments. As a Greek ,I'd like to say that the Greece team is a very poor one . Only our defence is of international standard ,midfield and ( much worse) attack are much below par . On Monday will be humiliated by France .
"promosm" 💞
Kenny out