Can I suggest top 5 zero-vote finalists? While some no-vote finalists are complete goats, others were really good players but it was just that the winner was a lot better.
Stephen Dawn Spencer Sugar Becky (extremely underrated) would be my list in random order, honorable mentions to Sash Tai and Hannah. Worst 0 vote goats would have to be Russell Natalie Ken and Gervase. Although I personally think Will is more pathetic than all of these.
stephen obviously wins that im also all for becky appreciation since ftc focused solely on yul and the ozzy and she was a lot stronger then people gave her credit for
Redemption Island happened to be my first season of survivor as I didn't know which one to start with and the name and concept sounded intriguing. I followed that up with One World thinking it couldn't be as one-sided as the last one. Fml. Then came Cagayan and my hope was restored in Survivor.
@@DizzyedUpGirl Galu messed it up by voting out Erik when they were up 8 to 4, meaning they could no longer employ a split vote strategy in case someone had an idol (like Russell the very next episode.) If they just keep Erik for another tribal and vote out Jaison, they could then vote him out next episode and still be up 7-3.
That’s a pagonging we actually like watching though. Every week watching that season it was so fun watching Russel and Foa Foa seemingly digging themselves up from the bottom and watching the ego and entitlement of the other tribe slowly die each week was great.
Pagonging’s are almost never fun. South Pacific was my first season but rewatching it was almost painful after Cochran flipped. You’re just sitting there begging for Ozzy to win somehow, and it was basically laid out for him and he still failed.
The worst thing to happen to the men in One World was Colton being removed from the game. He was an extremely unlikable tyrant, but he was the only one that could actually get the men to be organized. Had he stayed, Christina would have definitely been the next one to go pre-merge, and the guys would've been up 7-5 going into the merge.
At the very least, Colton would have either been voted out along the way or gotten absolutely disemboweled by the jury if he somehow reached the end. That would have at least given us a satisfying moment of karma for the guy who basically escaped justice twice.
I don't mind pagongings, just as long as the underdogs are interesting or the entire episode leading up to the elimination is good. HvV which is one of, if not the best season of Survivor was essentially a pagonging (except for Danielle getting eliminated) and this current seasons pagonging hasn't been too bad as Joe and Mike are both entertaining underdogs and queen Lauren is entertaining as well.
You’re right about that. HvV is one of the best seasons but the cast - especially the villains - was spectacular. It’s the same in Panama to a lesser extent. I love the interactions between Aras, Shane, Daniele, Cirie, and Courtney, it’s just a shame that the underdogs sucked
Vanuatu is one season that had a botched pagonging, in which the women systematically eliminated the men until only one man remained. he then won the game :/ If you want to find a sleeper gem of an old school season, check our survivor Vanuatu. Incredible editing and storyline.
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Samoa was A Pagonging, but I have to say, it was a thrilling one. It was in my opinion the best earlier season of survivor. The Foa Foa 4 Going in with Galu at 8 and not a SINGLE Galu survives was just amazing.
Calling Somoa an earlier season is technically true as it's in the first half of the show, but I would argue it was the first season of the 3rd era of Survivor that lasted until Cagayan or SJDS.
Maybe because I love Boston Robb, I really liked Survivor Redemption Island. Plus the pagoned tribe had it coming for throwing a challenge just to get Russell out. I though the worst case was the one Stephanie came from where the tribe lost so much it was down to 1 person left at the merge. Not technically a pagong, but man that tribe was terrible.
I actually like pagongings, I would like to see a season without tribe swaps. I think that comes from enjoying the team portion of the game more than other viewers might.
This video was great! keep up the good work! The one edit I'd make is add Heroes VS Villains to this list. Three out of five heroes left in a row, then one villain, followed by the last two heroes. Again, loved the video. Great job!
Slickwillie FourZeros I considered HvV butttt there are at least 5 others worthy of being mentioned before it! Plus Danellie going does kinda interrupt the flow, and I think Candice leaving was less a pagonging and more shifting numbers. I think.
I really liked season 22 because of how much I love Boston rob. I wasn’t watching that season for the underdogs, I was watching my fave player perfectly mind control a group of people
Jeff called them out the first time Zapatera went to tribal council. I forgot exactly what he said, but the essence was "you guys are effed" I don't recall every season, but has a tribe imploded as badly as Zapatera did? Julie was right in being unsure if throwing a challenge was the right long term play. I think Zapatera only won a single challenge after Day 9 BR picked them off one by one and blindsided one of his own twice in the process.
I'm glad you put Exile Island on this list. I actually really liked the La Mina alliance (post merge), even though they didn't stand a chance. Watching them get picked off one by one was so frustrating. They just could not find any cracks, and no one was willing to budge. However, it was kind of beautiful, in a pitiful way, how none of the La Mina alliance turned on each other even as their numbers dwindelled.
One World was destroyed by Pagonging and.... by Colton leaving! The pre-merge episodes were super entertaining, Colton was probably a horrible human being but a great TV character, very funny as a villain, and actually had some real power over his tribe. Once he left, nothing else happened in the entire season.
One World was my favorite Pagonging. I didn't like any of the men. I thought they were idiots for kowtowing to Colton and giving up immunity just to empower his racism. And I loved Kim, Chelsea, and Sabrina. They were the most likeable characters all season, and how wonderful that they got to the end together. Every episode of them mentally outplaying the men (and Alicia) was a treat.
I actually liked One World. It's one of my favorite seasons. I know that it's universally hated, but after RI and SP both having the Redemption Island twist, and only like 4-5 people getting any air time for the whole show, One World was a breath of fresh air for me. No RI twist and you got to know almost everybody except for Mike and Leif.
Usually tho, the eventual winner of the season is someone that wanted it to be a pagong. Rich, Tina, Brian, Amber, Tom, Aras, Yul, Todd, Parvati, JT, Natalie White, Boston Rob, Sophie, Mike Holloway, Wendell, Chris Underwood
I thought it would be the season where one tribe didn't make it to the merge. Instead the last member just got absorbed into the tribe that won almost every time (I think they lost once but that could have been an episode where both tribes lost a member).
Pagoning's do make the show blah and predictable BUT if a tribe can get into that position where they have the trust and the numbers to stick together and knock the opposition out, that really is the best strategy from a player's point of view. I'm so glad I found your channel, I love Survivor and haven't found many reviewers for this show. Can't wait to see more of your videos :)
The Heroes tribe needs to be on this list, mostly because they had multiple chances to not be Pagonged had they listened to Sandra the first time she told them that Russell couldn't be trusted and that she wanted to flip to them, but JT giving Russell his idol and Candice flipping to the Villains the following tribal put a stop to that
What is worst is RAROTONGING. RAROTONGING is like you are in numbers advantage but you are desimated by the smaller ally. See Survivor Cook Islands, especially the Aitu 4
I actually found the Boston rob pagonging quite entertaining due to how unusual and outrageous that cult was. He ruled that camp with an iron fist and no one on both tribes tried to switch it up. lol
To each their own. That is the only season ever in survivor I nearly quit watching. So boring. I called a Rob-Philip-Natalie T Final 3 on the 2nd episode.
Nearly three years later, we have one in Big Brother: "All-Stars 2." Easily one of the most boring, rigged and offensive seasons, ever. Production could've broken up the vanilla alliance (Memphis, Christmas, Cody, Nicole, Danielle and Tyler) to prevent this. They did nothing and now it's one of the lowest-rated seasons despite having little competition for original programming and being an "(sm)all-stars" cast.
RIDICULOUS BUDDY SYSTEM?!?!? Ummm. Excuse me. That was straight up Genius. That season was entertaining to watch as u see what a great player can really do.
This is why Marquesas was such an underrated season: because it was the first season to fail a Pagonging attempt. John Caroll of Rotu has all the power in the game at the Final 9: he had his alliance of four, plus Neleh and Pascal, and with that group of 6 it was clear Maraamu was screwed. But because of John’s own ego and cockiness, the 5 outsiders turned on the Rotu Four alliance and took them all out. It was also the first season where the final 2 was from two different tribes!
Hello Peridiam; I really enjoy watching/listening to your analysis. I am an OG Survivor fan, I started from season 1. You forgot to mention the Australian outback pagonging. Incase you don't remember, in Survivor season 2, @ the final 11, they were still two tribes, and the numbers were split 5 to 6. I forgot the tribe names though :(. One of the casts, who was in the tribe of 6, Michael Scoopin fell in fire and was medically evacuated. Because of that the corresponding immunity challenge did not take place, therefore the tribes went into the merge 5 to 5. They went to tribal council, and tribal lines were still strong. The vote was 5 to 5 which by the way, was the first ever tie vote on survivor. They went on a revote. They revoted, it was still a tie except that the people whom the votes were cast on were not allowed to vote this time, so it was effectively 4 to 4. Then the tie breaker happened, which was that whoever received most votes in a previous tribal council would go home. This was when jeff Varner was voted out. Bear in mind that he was from the tribe that had 6. From there a pagonging began. I guess they were really just unlucky. Sorry. I really love to tell that story. As an OG fan you realise how far this series has come. I really enjoy watching your videos peridiam, long may it continue.
Kucha tribe had Mike Skupin. Other tribe wass Ogakor. It was not a Pagong. Jerri and Amber were voted off before Final 5. Elisabeth and Rodger from Kucha outlasted them.
I feel like One World gets way too much hate. Yes the cast didn't really fight Kim, but she was a force and all those blindsides were very entertaining. I loved it and there were lots of memorable characters. Redemption Island though.....the absolute worst. Can't even try to rewatch it. Just terrible
refinding this 6 years later, gotta remark on how ghost island (which hadn't aired yet) belongs on this list now retroactively probably around #5 or 4, and how ghost island and palau are a special type of pagonging that's pretty much only been seen those 2 times.
Hey Peridiam, please do a future video on the top 10 alliance, and duos as you did in Big Brother US, and also do so for Canadian Big Brother as well please. Just something in the future. Please make this happen
Survivor Thailand is SO frustrating and literally it's entirely production's fault. I definitely think the schoolyard pick at the beginning of the season sorted the castaways in a far less interesting arrangement than otherwise could've happened, and it's easy to picture other seasons (say, Australia) being JUST as boring had they been schoolyard picks. And yeah, the fake merge was a TERRIBLE decision and super cringe, and one of the only two likeable castaways (Shii Ann, who I still believe to this day could've made final four if the twist didn't happen) on the entire season was immediately eliminated because of it. Ugh.
The first season that came to mind was Palau. This might not qualify as a Pagoning though since they basically eliminated the other tribe pre-merge. Only Stephanie was left.
Redemption Island one of my favorite just because its the most dominant performance of a single person ever on survivor he brought who he wanted to the finals no one else could do that like he did...
The original Pagong(ing) is tragic but amusing, given the behind the scenes stuff that has come out over the years (and I believe Jeff talked about it in his book back in the day). About how Pagong largely just didn't think the show was going to be a thing, so they absolutely were just screwing around, having fun, voting for Jeff, getting talking-to's to take things seriously, retaping confessionals and tribals, etc. On top of that is Tagi actually having an alliance, Richard actually employing strategy, and Pagong not actually even attempting to play the game until way too late. It really sucks they all got picked off one by one, but it's also not remotely surprising. 😂 Pagonging doesn't feel quite as bad when it's a group you love vs a group you don't, but it pretty much never ever happens that way. Which makes it all the more miserable when it happens, when the group you dislike triumphs.
Thank you for mentioning the debacle that was Redemption Island. Not only is the Pagonging terrible, boring and predictable, but the season itself ranks as one of the worst seasons of Survivor ever, along with Thailand and Marquesas. There was no fun or excitement in Redemption Island, just being hammered over the head with relentless despicable, obnoxious behavior, with cult-like twist. The fact that the Ometepe tribe, other than Andrea, never realized that Rob had to be taken out was just ridiculously stupid.
While a Pagonging can make for a predictable outcome and thus not compelling TV - making things as predictable as possible as possible is exactly the state that a top strategist would seek to achieve, whether it be an army general, a chess grand-master looking 10 moves ahead, or an alpha-type Survivor player. It is no coincidence that most Pagongings occur when there is a clear dominant strategist above the level of the other survivors. Hatch, Heidik, Spradling, BRob, Kwon etc. (Note: RI actually had a good merge episode where the first vote was actually not a Pagong but a re-hit on Matt. Also, that the Pagongers sometimes start from numerical inferior position does not make seasons like Cook Island, Samoa and the like any less of a Pagonging). The Alpha game is of course not the only way to win (just ask Sandra) but when they do, those are the seasons where most people agree have the most deserving winners.
The worst for me was Worlds Apart. That was a season where the likable alliance got pagonged by one of the most unlikable alliances in the history of the show. I stopped watching once Shirin was voted out because there was no one left that I liked. I would put that instead of Panama personally.
I mean it was mainly the other no collars, but I stopped watching because I knew that the season would not get better with people like Dan, Rodney, Tyler, Sierra and especially Will. I wasn’t a huge fan of Shirin but she was in the minority alliance, so I was hoping she somehow avoid getting voted out and once she was gone, I stopped watching because I had no desire to watch the remaining players. That season was just a mess and it’s disappointing because it started out very strong. The pagonging of the no collars ruined the season for me. It wasn’t just boring and predictable, it was downright uncomfortable to watch with Dan’s comments and the fight between Will and Shirin that got personal.
The redemption island twist was terrible but actually didn’t make any difference, Philip was hillarious and what Boston Rob did was beautifull, imo this is far from being the worst season. Not every season has at least a few good characters, some memorable moments （Russell destroyed, Philip stuff, the final tribal...）and such a great great winner.
How did you not have Cook Islands . There were only four after the mutiny and then they ended being 4 out of 5 of the final 5 was from that that tribe of 4
cagayan is not pagonging. do u mean morgan lj jeremiah jefra streak? cagayan is like the modern tropical version of china but started up with 3 tribes.
Maybe I’m just strange but I really enjoyed watching Redemption Island??? It’s even with China on my board. Idk I think I just like villains winning......
Haha, that's a big question! There definitely is. I would say a lot of tactics on Survivor can also be applied to BB. Ultimately they're both very social, strategic games.
Pagongings aren't necessarily bad if the characters in the story is told well and majority are good characters (which a lot of these seasons were not, other than Panama). Plus it can be fun to see the majority eat each other alive at the same time.
Samoa is sort of a pagonging, but either way I find it a fun one. Foa Foa did manage to get Erik knocked out and then flipped Shambo/John, so it's not as simple as most pagongings.
The thing is Redemption Island had (debatable) great casting. What destined the pagoning was Redemption Island itself and no tribe switches. The season could've been regarded as a great season if Rob and Russell didn't turn up and there was at least a tribe switch (like the way it was done in BvW1). Great videos mate! Glad I subscribed everything is amazing about em'.
Christopher Pennington I agree on this. The cast wasn't terrible but the outcome was. However, I love the pre merge to that season. It was incredibly dramatic
The redemption island twist hurt that season. It was fine up until the merge. Once the merge came and Matt won his way back into the game the twist should have ended. The twist took up too much time in each episode and prevented us from getting know the players not named Rob and Phillip. It also prevented us from seeing any alternative strategies that were going on. And the twist itself caused the players to not want to flip when they had the majority because the person you flipped on may come back into the game. I agree. I think the cast was good. That season up through the merge episode was pretty good. The merge episode itself was fantastic. I think if they ended the twist at the merge people would be viewing that season in a very different way today. Even if the outcome was the same.
Thailand was awful. Hated the season. The episode where Erin was voted out and Sook Jai just stood in a circle crying and bawling talking about how much they loved each other. We never knew why they actually voted Erin off. Poor Shii-Ann. Her tribe was awful to her and viewers felt terrible for her and wanted her to thrive. Glad in All-Stars she got her justice.
Omg I totally agree with this. I get bored when the popular kids only gets more popular because they get all the cool blings that sometimes it feels like it’s almost handed to them. I didn’t like the rob show at all. I only continued watching cause I was hoping that someone’s gonna flip on him episode after episode
The funny thing about South Pacific is that if Savaii didn't vote out Ozzy and they voted out Cochran sent him to RI with Christine. Christine would have most likely joined them 😂
Free T1 Good question. I’d say it was a deviance but it didn’t prevent a pagonging from happening. In fact I think it allowed it to happen since the main swing vote was removed.
Can I suggest top 5 zero-vote finalists? While some no-vote finalists are complete goats, others were really good players but it was just that the winner was a lot better.
Great idea! I think I'll look to making this once HHH wraps up.
Thanks, I'm glad you like it :)
Stephen Dawn Spencer Sugar Becky (extremely underrated) would be my list in random order, honorable mentions to Sash Tai and Hannah.
Worst 0 vote goats would have to be Russell Natalie Ken and Gervase. Although I personally think Will is more pathetic than all of these.
Sugar in top 3 at least
stephen obviously wins that
im also all for becky appreciation since ftc focused solely on yul and the ozzy and she was a lot stronger then people gave her credit for
Redemption Island happened to be my first season of survivor as I didn't know which one to start with and the name and concept sounded intriguing. I followed that up with One World thinking it couldn't be as one-sided as the last one.
Fml.
Then came Cagayan and my hope was restored in Survivor.
RI as your first ever Survivor season? Tragic. So glad you toughed it and stuck with it.
LOVED Shii Ann's legendary "stupid people" confessional sealing the deal at the end
all stars when she won immunity at 7, but another pagonging nonetheless.
foa foa 4, pagonging a tribe of 8.. that needed special mention.
Same the Aitu 4 of CI
FOA FOA should have 100% gotten Pagonged. I tip my hat to Foa Foa 4 for getting out of that.
@@DizzyedUpGirl Galu messed it up by voting out Erik when they were up 8 to 4, meaning they could no longer employ a split vote strategy in case someone had an idol (like Russell the very next episode.) If they just keep Erik for another tribal and vote out Jaison, they could then vote him out next episode and still be up 7-3.
That’s a pagonging we actually like watching though. Every week watching that season it was so fun watching Russel and Foa Foa seemingly digging themselves up from the bottom and watching the ego and entitlement of the other tribe slowly die each week was great.
This video is about the worst though. People actually liked seeing Galu get picked off. 4 beating 8 is insane.
Pagonging’s are almost never fun. South Pacific was my first season but rewatching it was almost painful after Cochran flipped. You’re just sitting there begging for Ozzy to win somehow, and it was basically laid out for him and he still failed.
NZ Man123 that was my first season too! I was rooting for Savaii and watching them all leave 1 by 1 was depressing.
12 year old me was just sitting there begging for something to change it.
NZ Man123 I was like 10 I was used to Total Drama which always had a good ending and then this ends in an Upolu final 6
Same for me, which naturally led to me believing that Ozzy would win everything and be the ultimate good guy hero avenger. Boy was I wrong
Meanwhile, I was rooting for Queen Sophie :D
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[shot of Boston Rob]
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The worst thing to happen to the men in One World was Colton being removed from the game. He was an extremely unlikable tyrant, but he was the only one that could actually get the men to be organized. Had he stayed, Christina would have definitely been the next one to go pre-merge, and the guys would've been up 7-5 going into the merge.
It's colton
I'm pretty sure Colton made it clear in one of his confessionals that he wanted to side with the girls post-merge. It wouldn't have made a difference.
At the very least, Colton would have either been voted out along the way or gotten absolutely disemboweled by the jury if he somehow reached the end. That would have at least given us a satisfying moment of karma for the guy who basically escaped justice twice.
Hatzmania the karma was so satisfying for me, so I was okay with it.
Remember it was Colton he was a bully in one world and bvw who always got his way maybe it was for the better he went
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I don't mind pagongings, just as long as the underdogs are interesting or the entire episode leading up to the elimination is good. HvV which is one of, if not the best season of Survivor was essentially a pagonging (except for Danielle getting eliminated) and this current seasons pagonging hasn't been too bad as Joe and Mike are both entertaining underdogs and queen Lauren is entertaining as well.
You’re right about that. HvV is one of the best seasons but the cast - especially the villains - was spectacular. It’s the same in Panama to a lesser extent. I love the interactions between Aras, Shane, Daniele, Cirie, and Courtney, it’s just a shame that the underdogs sucked
@@TheMurrmursonbottle honestly i wanted La Mina to be pagonged jaja. One of few times that pagongings were funnker
Russell, Parvati, Rob (for the rivalry with Russell), and the absolute stupidity of the Hero Tribe + Tyson made HvV soooooo entertaining!
Vanuatu is one season that had a botched pagonging, in which the women systematically eliminated the men until only one man remained. he then won the game :/ If you want to find a sleeper gem of an old school season, check our survivor Vanuatu. Incredible editing and storyline.
Pagong? More like...
*PaGONE!!!!*
I'll see myself out....
"woah, cool flying fish"
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Samoa was A Pagonging, but I have to say, it was a thrilling one. It was in my opinion the best earlier season of survivor. The Foa Foa 4 Going in with Galu at 8 and not a SINGLE Galu survives was just amazing.
Calling Somoa an earlier season is technically true as it's in the first half of the show, but I would argue it was the first season of the 3rd era of Survivor that lasted until Cagayan or SJDS.
Maybe because I love Boston Robb, I really liked Survivor Redemption Island. Plus the pagoned tribe had it coming for throwing a challenge just to get Russell out. I though the worst case was the one Stephanie came from where the tribe lost so much it was down to 1 person left at the merge. Not technically a pagong, but man that tribe was terrible.
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Keep up the great work! And the Shi Ann Part at the end was great 👍🏼
I actually like pagongings, I would like to see a season without tribe swaps. I think that comes from enjoying the team portion of the game more than other viewers might.
This video was great! keep up the good work! The one edit I'd make is add Heroes VS Villains to this list. Three out of five heroes left in a row, then one villain, followed by the last two heroes. Again, loved the video. Great job!
Slickwillie FourZeros I considered HvV butttt there are at least 5 others worthy of being mentioned before it! Plus Danellie going does kinda interrupt the flow, and I think Candice leaving was less a pagonging and more shifting numbers. I think.
You can add Malolo tribe from Ghost Island now
They technically only got Unlonged not pagonged.
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I really liked season 22 because of how much I love Boston rob. I wasn’t watching that season for the underdogs, I was watching my fave player perfectly mind control a group of people
I know right? That's the main reason I loved that season, He worked his magic from day one!
That's also the main reason I watched that season all the way
Jeff called them out the first time Zapatera went to tribal council. I forgot exactly what he said, but the essence was "you guys are effed"
I don't recall every season, but has a tribe imploded as badly as Zapatera did? Julie was right in being unsure if throwing a challenge was the right long term play. I think Zapatera only won a single challenge after Day 9
BR picked them off one by one and blindsided one of his own twice in the process.
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I'm glad you put Exile Island on this list. I actually really liked the La Mina alliance (post merge), even though they didn't stand a chance. Watching them get picked off one by one was so frustrating. They just could not find any cracks, and no one was willing to budge. However, it was kind of beautiful, in a pitiful way, how none of the La Mina alliance turned on each other even as their numbers dwindelled.
One World was destroyed by Pagonging and.... by Colton leaving! The pre-merge episodes were super entertaining, Colton was probably a horrible human being but a great TV character, very funny as a villain, and actually had some real power over his tribe. Once he left, nothing else happened in the entire season.
One World was my favorite Pagonging. I didn't like any of the men. I thought they were idiots for kowtowing to Colton and giving up immunity just to empower his racism. And I loved Kim, Chelsea, and Sabrina. They were the most likeable characters all season, and how wonderful that they got to the end together. Every episode of them mentally outplaying the men (and Alicia) was a treat.
I actually liked One World. It's one of my favorite seasons. I know that it's universally hated, but after RI and SP both having the Redemption Island twist, and only like 4-5 people getting any air time for the whole show, One World was a breath of fresh air for me. No RI twist and you got to know almost everybody except for Mike and Leif.
Poor Leif.
One World is not great. But it's okay. And Kim's game was flawless.
Usually tho, the eventual winner of the season is someone that wanted it to be a pagong. Rich, Tina, Brian, Amber, Tom, Aras, Yul, Todd, Parvati, JT, Natalie White, Boston Rob, Sophie, Mike Holloway, Wendell, Chris Underwood
I thought it would be the season where one tribe didn't make it to the merge. Instead the last member just got absorbed into the tribe that won almost every time (I think they lost once but that could have been an episode where both tribes lost a member).
Pagoning's do make the show blah and predictable BUT if a tribe can get into that position where they have the trust and the numbers to stick together and knock the opposition out, that really is the best strategy from a player's point of view.
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A Pogoning is definitely about to happen on ghost island
Didn’t even watch that boring season
It's strange to think the original Pagonging wouldn't have happened without Kelly's immunity run.
It still would have been a pagonging just not a pure pagonging
dude, i just saw an idea of a top 5 and I totally buy it the idea of "Top 5 best FTC performances by runners-up"
The Heroes tribe needs to be on this list, mostly because they had multiple chances to not be Pagonged had they listened to Sandra the first time she told them that Russell couldn't be trusted and that she wanted to flip to them, but JT giving Russell his idol and Candice flipping to the Villains the following tribal put a stop to that
What is worst is RAROTONGING. RAROTONGING is like you are in numbers advantage but you are desimated by the smaller ally. See Survivor Cook Islands, especially the Aitu 4
I actually found the Boston rob pagonging quite entertaining due to how unusual and outrageous that cult was. He ruled that camp with an iron fist and no one on both tribes tried to switch it up. lol
To each their own. That is the only season ever in survivor I nearly quit watching. So boring. I called a Rob-Philip-Natalie T Final 3 on the 2nd episode.
Nearly three years later, we have one in Big Brother: "All-Stars 2." Easily one of the most boring, rigged and offensive seasons, ever. Production could've broken up the vanilla alliance (Memphis, Christmas, Cody, Nicole, Danielle and Tyler) to prevent this. They did nothing and now it's one of the lowest-rated seasons despite having little competition for original programming and being an "(sm)all-stars" cast.
Kinda fitting that it's also the 22nd season, much like RI was.
Great video. I was thinking that... Ooh! Flying fish!
What about Survivor Cook Islands where Aitu 4 took out Raro tribe?
RIDICULOUS BUDDY SYSTEM?!?!? Ummm. Excuse me. That was straight up Genius. That season was entertaining to watch as u see what a great player can really do.
It was ridiculous only since the others were a joke to agree to it. What a bunch of bumbling clowns that season.
A strategy that only works when the other players are complete idiots.
This is why Marquesas was such an underrated season: because it was the first season to fail a Pagonging attempt.
John Caroll of Rotu has all the power in the game at the Final 9: he had his alliance of four, plus Neleh and Pascal, and with that group of 6 it was clear Maraamu was screwed. But because of John’s own ego and cockiness, the 5 outsiders turned on the Rotu Four alliance and took them all out. It was also the first season where the final 2 was from two different tribes!
Thailand wasn't a Pagonging because of the twist - Brian had already convinced Shii Ann to flip.
Hello Peridiam; I really enjoy watching/listening to your analysis. I am an OG Survivor fan, I started from season 1.
You forgot to mention the Australian outback pagonging. Incase you don't remember, in Survivor season 2, @ the final 11, they were still two tribes, and the numbers were split 5 to 6. I forgot the tribe names though :(. One of the casts, who was in the tribe of 6, Michael Scoopin fell in fire and was medically evacuated. Because of that the corresponding immunity challenge did not take place, therefore the tribes went into the merge 5 to 5. They went to tribal council, and tribal lines were still strong. The vote was 5 to 5 which by the way, was the first ever tie vote on survivor. They went on a revote. They revoted, it was still a tie except that the people whom the votes were cast on were not allowed to vote this time, so it was effectively 4 to 4. Then the tie breaker happened, which was that whoever received most votes in a previous tribal council would go home. This was when jeff Varner was voted out. Bear in mind that he was from the tribe that had 6. From there a pagonging began. I guess they were really just unlucky.
Sorry. I really love to tell that story. As an OG fan you realise how far this series has come. I really enjoy watching your videos peridiam, long may it continue.
Kucha tribe had Mike Skupin. Other tribe wass Ogakor. It was not a Pagong. Jerri and Amber were voted off before Final 5. Elisabeth and Rodger from Kucha outlasted them.
I feel like One World gets way too much hate. Yes the cast didn't really fight Kim, but she was a force and all those blindsides were very entertaining. I loved it and there were lots of memorable characters. Redemption Island though.....the absolute worst. Can't even try to rewatch it. Just terrible
refinding this 6 years later, gotta remark on how ghost island (which hadn't aired yet) belongs on this list now retroactively probably around #5 or 4, and how ghost island and palau are a special type of pagonging that's pretty much only been seen those 2 times.
Top Five Philip Shepard moments
Hey Peridiam, please do a future video on the top 10 alliance, and duos as you did in Big Brother US, and also do so for Canadian Big Brother as well please. Just something in the future. Please make this happen
12:27 Andrea's cakeface is amazing :)
"A pagong is a type of wild Filipino turtle"
I feel so dumb as a Filipino because I thought pagong just meant turtle and wasn't a specific breed 😭
Survivor Thailand is SO frustrating and literally it's entirely production's fault. I definitely think the schoolyard pick at the beginning of the season sorted the castaways in a far less interesting arrangement than otherwise could've happened, and it's easy to picture other seasons (say, Australia) being JUST as boring had they been schoolyard picks. And yeah, the fake merge was a TERRIBLE decision and super cringe, and one of the only two likeable castaways (Shii Ann, who I still believe to this day could've made final four if the twist didn't happen) on the entire season was immediately eliminated because of it. Ugh.
The first season that came to mind was Palau. This might not qualify as a Pagoning though since they basically eliminated the other tribe pre-merge. Only Stephanie was left.
It’s not a Pagonging because it happened pre-merge
Redemption Island one of my favorite just because its the most dominant performance of a single person ever on survivor he brought who he wanted to the finals no one else could do that like he did...
Anyone else scream Palau to the screen for the number 1 spot and then Redemption Island pop up
I thought Palau was going to be part of the list.
The original Pagong(ing) is tragic but amusing, given the behind the scenes stuff that has come out over the years (and I believe Jeff talked about it in his book back in the day). About how Pagong largely just didn't think the show was going to be a thing, so they absolutely were just screwing around, having fun, voting for Jeff, getting talking-to's to take things seriously, retaping confessionals and tribals, etc. On top of that is Tagi actually having an alliance, Richard actually employing strategy, and Pagong not actually even attempting to play the game until way too late. It really sucks they all got picked off one by one, but it's also not remotely surprising. 😂
Pagonging doesn't feel quite as bad when it's a group you love vs a group you don't, but it pretty much never ever happens that way. Which makes it all the more miserable when it happens, when the group you dislike triumphs.
I think redemption island had so much potential! Voting off russell hantz so early proved to be pretty silly
Yes we know the Zapatera 6 ruined their own games.
Rewatching this video now, crazy to think that 41 and 42 has no tribe swaps (not counting the trails) but no pagonging at all.
I think the producers have avoid Pagoings by doing swaps early and sometimes 2 times. So it doesn't get predictible.
Thank you for mentioning the debacle that was Redemption Island. Not only is the Pagonging terrible, boring and predictable, but the season itself ranks as one of the worst seasons of Survivor ever, along with Thailand and Marquesas. There was no fun or excitement in Redemption Island, just being hammered over the head with relentless despicable, obnoxious behavior, with cult-like twist. The fact that the Ometepe tribe, other than Andrea, never realized that Rob had to be taken out was just ridiculously stupid.
I just get addicted to survivor so your videos help me a lot.
im from the Philippines
You should do a video ranking the top reverse pagongings! Tocantins, Samoa, and Cook Islands immediately come to mind.
Darren Loro I don't think tocantins and Samoa would count as they are on the pre merge side, which makes them ulongings
Shii Ann moment reminded me - list of best clutch immunity wins could be cool!
Awesome video as always! Maybe a most underrated players list? Also, what is your opinion on Earl from Fiji?
I like Earl a lot. Probably one of the nicest winners. What's your opinion?
In my opinion, he's one of the most underrated Survivor castaways of all time. He played the social game absolutely phenomenally! Great winner
Fiji is a good one because post swap Ravu gets pagonged after the merge largely due to the haves vs. have-nots twist
0:12 Within ~8 seconds, auto-subtitles thinks pagoning is “epic yawning”, “pig oinking” a swear word, and “Pagini’s”
While a Pagonging can make for a predictable outcome and thus not compelling TV - making things as predictable as possible as possible is exactly the state that a top strategist would seek to achieve, whether it be an army general, a chess grand-master looking 10 moves ahead, or an alpha-type Survivor player.
It is no coincidence that most Pagongings occur when there is a clear dominant strategist above the level of the other survivors. Hatch, Heidik, Spradling, BRob, Kwon etc. (Note: RI actually had a good merge episode where the first vote was actually not a Pagong but a re-hit on Matt. Also, that the Pagongers sometimes start from numerical inferior position does not make seasons like Cook Island, Samoa and the like any less of a Pagonging). The Alpha game is of course not the only way to win (just ask Sandra) but when they do, those are the seasons where most people agree have the most deserving winners.
What episode was the episode with the wild animal coming on shore?
The worst for me was Worlds Apart. That was a season where the likable alliance got pagonged by one of the most unlikable alliances in the history of the show. I stopped watching once Shirin was voted out because there was no one left that I liked. I would put that instead of Panama personally.
Really shirin out of ever in the cast, you liked shirin, she was super annoying
I mean it was mainly the other no collars, but I stopped watching because I knew that the season would not get better with people like Dan, Rodney, Tyler, Sierra and especially Will. I wasn’t a huge fan of Shirin but she was in the minority alliance, so I was hoping she somehow avoid getting voted out and once she was gone, I stopped watching because I had no desire to watch the remaining players. That season was just a mess and it’s disappointing because it started out very strong. The pagonging of the no collars ruined the season for me. It wasn’t just boring and predictable, it was downright uncomfortable to watch with Dan’s comments and the fight between Will and Shirin that got personal.
The redemption island twist was terrible but actually didn’t make any difference, Philip was hillarious and what Boston Rob did was beautifull, imo this is far from being the worst season. Not every season has at least a few good characters, some memorable moments （Russell destroyed, Philip stuff, the final tribal...）and such a great great winner.
+Peridiam I think pagongings exist in Big Brother, too. The current season is a prime example of this.
“Maybe with a Bow and arrow” oh Jesus shots fired (bow and arrow shots)
How did you not have Cook Islands . There were only four after the mutiny and then they ended being 4 out of 5 of the final 5 was from that that tribe of 4
What about Survivor Palau?
Some pagongings end up being great seasons.. HvV, Panama, Cagayan, etc
cagayan is not pagonging. do u mean morgan lj jeremiah jefra streak? cagayan is like the modern tropical version of china but started up with 3 tribes.
Maybe I’m just strange but I really enjoyed watching Redemption Island??? It’s even with China on my board. Idk I think I just like villains winning......
Love your vids❤🔝
+Peridiam Is there a way to apply Survivor tactics to Big Brother and vice versa?
Haha, that's a big question! There definitely is. I would say a lot of tactics on Survivor can also be applied to BB. Ultimately they're both very social, strategic games.
Shii Ann was going to flip on her Sook Jai tribe so it was going to be a Pagoning anyway...
Pagongings aren't necessarily bad if the characters in the story is told well and majority are good characters (which a lot of these seasons were not, other than Panama). Plus it can be fun to see the majority eat each other alive at the same time.
Question: do you consider samoa a pagonging? Or does it not count since Galu had the numbers come merge?
Samoa is sort of a pagonging, but either way I find it a fun one. Foa Foa did manage to get Erik knocked out and then flipped Shambo/John, so it's not as simple as most pagongings.
I think the more appropriate phrase you should have used is, "probably used a hen in the rooster house"
And despite pangongings are boring and frustrating, there are still people that list Survivor Borneo as the "best" season better... pfff!
Borneo is so overrated. Of all the first 20 seasons, i would say it is only better than Thailand and Fiji.
I thinks that's what happens when u leave Boston Rob alone with a bunch of noobs.
What about the best pagonings
(FVF, Samoa, HvV)
The best pagonging is galu in samoa
The Doich that and heroes vs villains
Fuck no, Russell sucks.
the one where the dominant tribe starts down 7 to 3+ Russell. It is just such an insurmountable lead.
russell counts as ten people so they had advantege
Also Raro in Cook Islands
What about cook islands? The with 4 were the final 4 and entered merge down with numbers
Do u think u could make the best pagongings because I really the liked the Pagongings of Survivor Palau
Marcel D That's more of an Ulonging since it happened before Merge
Does anyone else feel that redemption island was just an attempt by the producers to give Boston Rob or Russel a win?
The thing is Redemption Island had (debatable) great casting. What destined the pagoning was Redemption Island itself and no tribe switches. The season could've been regarded as a great season if Rob and Russell didn't turn up and there was at least a tribe switch (like the way it was done in BvW1). Great videos mate! Glad I subscribed everything is amazing about em'.
Christopher Pennington I agree on this. The cast wasn't terrible but the outcome was. However, I love the pre merge to that season. It was incredibly dramatic
The redemption island twist hurt that season. It was fine up until the merge. Once the merge came and Matt won his way back into the game the twist should have ended. The twist took up too much time in each episode and prevented us from getting know the players not named Rob and Phillip. It also prevented us from seeing any alternative strategies that were going on. And the twist itself caused the players to not want to flip when they had the majority because the person you flipped on may come back into the game.
I agree. I think the cast was good. That season up through the merge episode was pretty good. The merge episode itself was fantastic. I think if they ended the twist at the merge people would be viewing that season in a very different way today. Even if the outcome was the same.
1 Survivor Completely agree mate. Hopefully if they ever have it again they'll do it like Blood v Water.
jared deswart Completely agree.
1 Survivor So true, they should have stopped the twist in its tracks.
Pagong was named after Pagong Island, a desolate island quite close to Philippine territory. Pagong is the Filipino term for turtle.
Thailand was awful. Hated the season. The episode where Erin was voted out and Sook Jai just stood in a circle crying and bawling talking about how much they loved each other. We never knew why they actually voted Erin off. Poor Shii-Ann. Her tribe was awful to her and viewers felt terrible for her and wanted her to thrive. Glad in All-Stars she got her justice.
You need to do the best pagongings ever and include the Cook Islands
if only he knew ghost island was to come not even 3 months after this video...
Omg I totally agree with this. I get bored when the popular kids only gets more popular because they get all the cool blings that sometimes it feels like it’s almost handed to them. I didn’t like the rob show at all. I only continued watching cause I was hoping that someone’s gonna flip on him episode after episode
Hey! What about to pagonging in heroes vs villains?
The funny thing about South Pacific is that if Savaii didn't vote out Ozzy and they voted out Cochran sent him to RI with Christine. Christine would have most likely joined them 😂
Why isn’t the Aitu 4 pagonging Raro on here? Cook Islands?
What's funny is I just finished watching Borneo for the first time
7:53 is that a reference to...what I think it is???
Redemption Island was Rob’s to win as soon as Russell was voted out.
Loved the video, but wouldn't the Matt blindside be a deviance from the pagonging? The first merge boot was an Ometepe
Free T1 Good question. I’d say it was a deviance but it didn’t prevent a pagonging from happening. In fact I think it allowed it to happen since the main swing vote was removed.