Raine Whispers Is Actually Terrifying | The Owl House

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  • Can you hear the Rainestorm? Today we will be doing an analysis on the moral complexities of The Owl House's favorite freedom fighter--Raine Whispers! In our world, the name Raine is gentle and pretty, but on the Boiling Isles the name is basically *boiling acid*. And frankly, that's just where the danger begins with the truly terrifying Raine.
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  • @pippastrelle
    @pippastrelle ปีที่แล้ว +4312

    It's so easy to characterise people with anxiety as timid. I love how Raine has always been ruthless and incredibly self-determined despite it.

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +504

      All the coven heads have this weird, ironic quality to them and the choice to give Raine *stage fright* despite their aplomb and clear self possession was so great.

    • @Atlazuko
      @Atlazuko ปีที่แล้ว +180

      People with anxiety often are ruthless and stone cold when the situation calls for it. being afraid of everything and then still functioning means when someone or something that terrifies the people who haven't lived in fear their entire life comes along the person to whom fear is an old friend can act despite that fear because they are used to being afraid. when the chips are down? the person with anxiety is the person that will not be stopped. when the chips are down the person with anxiety fears nothing not even god. because they are so terrified they cannot feel anything at all.

    • @nortalian549
      @nortalian549 ปีที่แล้ว +92

      @@Atlazuko Because one thing anxiety can do- especially when well managed- is make you prepared.

    • @timy.9512
      @timy.9512 ปีที่แล้ว

      They're basically what Tywin Lannister could have been - no, should have been. Tywin, too, was well known for using bards to do his bidding, so he understood well how dangerous bards could be. But Raine has the conscience & love of family that Tywin didn't have.

    • @fredfry5100
      @fredfry5100 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      ​@@idlescree For what it's worth, when Belos possess Raine in the last episode, he notes that the Coven head was 'irritatingly powerful'.

  • @HuxianXD
    @HuxianXD ปีที่แล้ว +2630

    Raine: *whistles*
    Coven Scout: What did that do?
    Coven Scout: *Dies because his blood got turned into apple blood*

    • @kitty-danger
      @kitty-danger ปีที่แล้ว +131

      The other coven guard got destroyed because they controlled but instead of legs raine chose the arms and made then choke themselves unconisence but what if they wanted them to die their are many ways he could destroy their lives

    • @carol4630
      @carol4630 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      Raine could poison belos if they wanted to, but that would be suspicious

    • @endrek4895
      @endrek4895 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      ​@@carol4630i just think that with belos being 99% Goop no traditional way of hurting him would have worked. He probably does not even have a digestive system anymore

    • @carol4630
      @carol4630 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@endrek4895 true

    • @roriestill6231
      @roriestill6231 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Oh snap! Raine could be a blood bender!

  • @sadlobster1
    @sadlobster1 ปีที่แล้ว +1436

    Bards are NOT to be underestimated, mocked or dismissed; they're actually one of the most powerful and versatile classes in the fantasy genre. So, it makes sense for Raine to be so strong

    • @timy.9512
      @timy.9512 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      _When disciplining unruly vassals, most lords send armies. My father, Tywin, only had to send a singer. There's no faster way to dull a vassal's ambition or any festive occasion than hearing the Rains of Castamere._
      ~ Jaime Lannister

    • @sadlobster1
      @sadlobster1 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@timy.9512 Imagine if the Bards of Westeros were like Raine, in terms of skill

    • @timy.9512
      @timy.9512 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@sadlobster1 Take a look at the scene where Raine is sworn in as Head Witch of the Bard Coven and compare it to the GoT scene where Tywin is made Hand under Joffrey. Both give off that air of "This is nothing to me; I've literally seen & led worse than you, and did so successfully." If you don't know, Tywin served under a king as bad as Belos, and survived being only dismissed, not executed.
      The difference is that Raine is able to relate to their children (because that's what the BATTs are) in a way that Tywin just can't.

    • @MoonWeaver000
      @MoonWeaver000 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Oh, I definitely need to be a bard now.

    • @Manas-co8wl
      @Manas-co8wl ปีที่แล้ว +3

      DnD Bard
      HP 1
      Vicious Mockery

  • @nerf_or_nothin9551
    @nerf_or_nothin9551 ปีที่แล้ว +671

    ! Spoilers for Watching and Dreaming !
    Raine is especially scary in this episode- not only do they break the Collector's curse, but also was strong enough to throw Belos out of control of their body. This kind of strength is UNREAL, especially after seeing how much it took for Hunter to overcome Belos' possession (he DIED). Hell, Belos even comments on how he always hated how strong they are, which just gives an insight on how even he would have trouble going against Raine. Absolutely a ruthless but loving character.

    • @creature_under_your_bed
      @creature_under_your_bed ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Yea Raine is the only thing to survive belos possession

    • @isabellagoldleaf1751
      @isabellagoldleaf1751 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Also, they didn’t have to give up their palismen

    • @nerf_or_nothin9551
      @nerf_or_nothin9551 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      @@isabellagoldleaf1751 Yeah, disguising their palisman as their violin was genius, assuming that theory is correct of course

    • @emrysrainejackson7242
      @emrysrainejackson7242 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I think the reason Hunter almost died when he was possessed by bellows is because he jumped in the water and almost drowned

    • @MatchGirl
      @MatchGirl ปีที่แล้ว +15

      ​@@emrysrainejackson7242 he is also a magic less child. Raine has had longer to perfect their art and has something to draw on he doesn't, as hard as he tries to stop Belos, even through self sacrifice.

  • @arzadu1138
    @arzadu1138 ปีที่แล้ว +488

    To add another layer to their deception: clearly, they are a fantastic actor (so long as they're not on a stage). But the best liars convince you that they're terrible liars, and even the people who saw their betrayal (Darius and Eber) said "we didn't tell you about our plan because you're a bad liar." Just think about that one.

    • @timy.9512
      @timy.9512 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Truth and silence lie better than even the silvermost tongue.

    • @kalifogg6610
      @kalifogg6610 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Leverage has a Grifter who’s terrible as a regular actress, way too dramatic, but she’s basically flawless when she’s running a con or in on a con.

    • @arzadu1138
      @arzadu1138 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@kalifogg6610 oh hell yeah they did!! love that show, and Raine is absolutely like that. Incredibly skilled in espionage, horrendous on a stage. Sophie's a great character (not nearly as dear to my heart as Raine, though)

    • @kalifogg6610
      @kalifogg6610 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@arzadu1138 my favorite part is when we first meet her and Hardison, Parker and Eliot are horrified that Nate wants to recruit her.
      And her overly dramatic performance for the soap commercial audition is so funny.
      Rains and Sophie would be besties.

    • @timy.9512
      @timy.9512 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@kalifogg6610 And so would Raine and Ned Stark. Like, when both of them bullshit, they bullshit with so straight a face that you won't think they're bullshitting.

  • @alexandrustemate4461
    @alexandrustemate4461 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    Eda is a dissenter, Raine is a revolutionary

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Oh this is a fabulous way to sum it up!!

  • @morhido
    @morhido ปีที่แล้ว +1895

    Another thing i love is how raine's ruthlessness doesn't necessarily translate to them being heartless. When asking for eda's help, they specify "if you have nothing to lose" and don't ask anything of her just yet. They're letting her know what she's getting herself into beforehand, instead of springing the sacrifice play on her later on. Then when playing the requiem, they mention, "we may not make it out ourselves", and there's an implication of "but you already knew that". Because, again, they made sure she knew what she was signing up for.
    Alternatively, i think they could have been giving eda one last chance to back out. Granted, i don't know what they would have done if she had, but it's still an acknowledgement that this sacrifice is a massive ask from them. Even if they think that eda has nothing to lose if they go through with it.
    They still obviously care deeply about eda, to the point where they almost seem regretful over asking such a big favour from her (again) with the sigil, but it takes an incredibly strong person to not put personal attachments in front of their cause. They want to keep eda safe but not at the cost of the entire boiling isles. Ruthlessness has not made them uncaring or cruel, they're just willing to make sacrifices, even if they're not their own.
    Fantastic video! This entire thing was so thorough and well put-together, i was astounded to realise it was only 10 minutes. This whole channel is full of nothing but gems.

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +154

      Thank you for the thoughtful comment! I love that, "ruthless, but not heartless." What a great way to phrase that!

    • @oceanbreeze3172
      @oceanbreeze3172 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      They ask to do all these things on the razor's edge of tension, keeping in mind that they have anxiety! It's unfathomable the level of muscling through they've done.

    • @whitemink0939
      @whitemink0939 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      You deserve these likes, you just wrote a small essay

    • @sketchbookgremlin
      @sketchbookgremlin ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Agreed "ruthless, but not heartless"

    • @iainoftheizzetleague9850
      @iainoftheizzetleague9850 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@idlescree A quote from Animorphs that I think perfectly encapsulates ruthlessness;
      ""People don't understand the word ruthless. They think it means 'mean.' It's not about being mean. It's about seeing the bright, clear line that leads from A to B. The line that goes from motive to means. Beginning to end. It's about seeing that bright, clear line and not caring about anything but the beautiful fact that you can see the solution. Not caring about anything else but the perfection of it.""
      I think that encapsulates this mode of action beautifully. It shows the exact meaning of ruthlessness without cruelty. This character in that series is one of my favorites, simply because he knows how to win, and is willing
      to pay the price, but he still has emotions and conflicts, he isn't some heartless monster of callousness.

  • @sunfeatherX3
    @sunfeatherX3 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    Can we just notice the genius that Raine is a whistleblower? What a PERFECT allegory!

  • @Draikinator
    @Draikinator ปีที่แล้ว +845

    HELL yeah. Raine is stone cold. Raine used to be a teacher! Someone specifically in a position to be looking for signs of abuse- i can hardly imagine how much it must have hurt to see hunter, know they couldn't do anything to help him, and have to watch in silence because the best way to help him was to defeat the emperor. Though, I have no doubt that if Hunter had fought Raine and forced their hand, they'd have been prepared to take him down for the good of the mission, and there's no way Eda could ever do that, even if it meant way more people getting hurt. raine whispers fucking rules

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +135

      RIGHT. A teacher, someone who is so perceptive--it just boggled my mind even on the first watch. And they were capable of a pretty crazy "stand" against Eda while pretending at mind control in addition to everything else. They had to become so metal despite the fact that really good teachers have a warm, soft core of compassion and kindness...And yeah, I didn't go into this in great detail here but they would absolutely have been prepared to take Hunter down if they had to. Weeps. Thank you for the lovely comment.

  • @coal9205
    @coal9205 ปีที่แล้ว +516

    Spoilers for watching and dreaming!
    Belos even admitted himself that "raine is ANNOYINGLY POWERFUL"

    • @47ratsinahoodie
      @47ratsinahoodie ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Yeah, our powerful badass bard 🥰

    • @sketchbookgremlin
      @sketchbookgremlin ปีที่แล้ว +45

      Well I'm not sure what Belos was expecting, he literally recruited the "baddest, coolest, kick-buttiest witch of all time" 😂

    • @lindakors4311
      @lindakors4311 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Plus their palisman is a fox in the time skip😭😭❤

  • @amitysluzara2022
    @amitysluzara2022 ปีที่แล้ว +1189

    Something else is Raines power of deception. I mean they managed to deceive everyone except Darius (and probably Eberwolf) following the "brainwashing." Raine deceived everyone by making everyone think they were brainwashed even the person who was doing this (Terra.) Now that takes massive skill and makes Raine even more complex and powerful

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +169

      Certainly. It's unsure at what point Terra caught on but Raine made quite a game of it. There's plenty more to talk about when it comes to Raine for sure but man I just know they're not an enemy I'd like to have. Of the adult characters who aren't Belos, I'd consider Raine easily one of, if not THE most dangerous. I feel like with almost all of the heroic ones they're the one that would be least inclined to mercy if the stakes were high enough! Thanks for the comment :D

    • @amitysluzara2022
      @amitysluzara2022 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @Idle Scree I'm still deciding when I think Terra caught on tbh but I am thinking it was in the few days before the Day Of Unity just when I'm not sure. Raine most certainly did a great job at hiding it though. Raines someone with so much to talk about especially after how strong they're shown to be in the finale. It really makes me wish we saw more of them (although I feel that way about all Coven heads.) If I had Raine as an enemy I'd certainly sleep with one eye open. I'm not sure who I consider the most dangerous adult characters outside of Belos but I imagine Raine would be up there if I made a list. They definitely weren't inclined to mercy in the finale but I cant say I blame them (I'm trying to be careful what I say for anyone who hasn't seen it that's why I'm wording it so vaguely 😅) No problemo :D Thank you for the amazing video

    • @ManzanaDeMuerte
      @ManzanaDeMuerte ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you really bringing up Hogwarts houses? About a NB chracter? Fckin YIKES. Harry Potter adults learn to let go of racist childrens books written by a transphobe challenge

    • @Ezraspainter
      @Ezraspainter ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Don't know how Darius called him a bad actor

    • @timechanger6679
      @timechanger6679 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@Ezraspainter don’t wanna be that person but Raine uses they/them not he/him

  • @Kerfluffle.
    @Kerfluffle. ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Raine was always so intelligent. I only noticed in the end when Raine was shown to have a palisman, but hid it as a violin which I found mind blowing.

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      SO many ways to look at it--absolutely amazing stuff. They're such an incredible character.

  • @bdariamihaela
    @bdariamihaela ปีที่แล้ว +143

    Belos didn't consume Raine's palisman. In one episode (can't recall wich one) a we see a paper with data about them, and it sais "Palisman: unknown". If Belos coonsumed their palisman the status would be different

    • @mimicmey
      @mimicmey ปีที่แล้ว +55

      Someone mentioned that in the epilogue Raine has a little fox palisman, and their violin's head is carved in the shape of a fox, so the palisman was probably disguised as the violin the whole time!

    • @Foxmasker
      @Foxmasker 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mimicmey:0 like the princples palisman becoming his hat?

  • @moosegod2530
    @moosegod2530 ปีที่แล้ว +363

    I didn't realize it was possible to love Raine even more, but after this video I do

  • @lilymurphy1001
    @lilymurphy1001 ปีที่แล้ว +159

    It’s possible that rain hid their palisman or kept them far away from the castle because they had a fox during the ending of Watching and Dreaming. This could be a new palisman but I think they had their fox for a while as they seem really comfortable flying on them.

    • @sharkfin4194
      @sharkfin4194 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      Interestingly enough, their instrument’s head is also fox. This could mean that they had their palisman disguised as their instrument right under Belos’ nose the whole time!

    • @47ratsinahoodie
      @47ratsinahoodie ปีที่แล้ว +49

      @@sharkfin4194 I remember someone saying that their palisman could be the neck up of their instrument, meaning as long as that was intact, their palisman was fine. It makes sense considering the two times we see it broken, it's always the body

    • @th3grav3mak3rgaming8
      @th3grav3mak3rgaming8 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Raines palisman has been confirmed to be hidden in the violin

    • @Janoha17
      @Janoha17 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Raine kept their palisman hidden right under Belos' nose, their staff transformed into their violin. Which makes them breaking their violin to try to stop Belos from possessing the Titan's Heart all the more heartbreaking.

  • @RileyG
    @RileyG ปีที่แล้ว +443

    Loved this!! Raine is such a complex character and it’s great to see them getting some recognition for how much of a stone cold badass they can be. they’re a revolutionary!! ok I’m gonna rewatch the video now

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Aaah thank you. I love Raine and their sharp edges. I'm glad you enjoyed it.

  • @angelaphsiao
    @angelaphsiao ปีที่แล้ว +32

    It’s extremely good that Raine is on the side of good because if they were on Belos’s side the boiling isles would have been lost before Luz ever set foot on it

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeah, bad people need their enablers and it's good that Raine wasn't motivated in the way some of the other coven heads clearly were...

  • @RandomAndgit
    @RandomAndgit ปีที่แล้ว +62

    One other thing to remember is that Raine could KILL ANY HUMAN INSTANTLY WITH ONE WHISTLE by replacing someone's blood with... not blood. Great video as always!

    • @PancakeTheKat
      @PancakeTheKat ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When did they do that?

    • @RandomAndgit
      @RandomAndgit ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@PancakeTheKat oh, no I meant that they theoretically could with the powers they have been stated to have.

    • @PancakeTheKat
      @PancakeTheKat ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@RandomAndgit ohhh ok, makes sense.

  • @lissienicole7355
    @lissienicole7355 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I like how you brought up Raine noticing Hunter’s abuse. I have a little fan theory that Raine, Darius, and Eber Wolf knew the golden guard before Hunter. For me personally it would make sense why the three decided to rebel together, we already know that Darius was hurt by the previous guard’s death and showed distain towards Hunter following Belos blindly, but giving their ages and Hunter’s age it could work.
    Obviously not much can support this theory besides the interactions we’ve seen between the three, we don’t know how long the rebellion has been in motion, but for me personally it feels like an interesting way to connect these characters instead of just small, yet significant, interactions between.

  • @thecheck968
    @thecheck968 ปีที่แล้ว +220

    I LOVED this video essay. Raine has always been one of my favorite characters but I’ve never really been able to put my finger on why. I always just said they had a quiet sort of strength which was certainly part of the equation.
    I’ve been able to point out moments that resonated with me. The reveal that Raine has been faking their submission to Tera while completely cognizant and actively rebelling the whole time. Raine’s sympathetic look at Hunter in Any Sport in a Storm while still reluctantly but willingly following the other coven heads. Their entire motivation being to keep Eda safe, but failing over and over again. Their character is constantly at odds with itself but it actually works to make them a more believable person.
    After everything they’ve been through, I’m glad they’re the one who was possessed by Belos. Every coven head has sacrificed so much (just consider the chances that Darius knew *something* about Belos’s grimwalkers), but Raine is the one we learn the most about. For so much of their lives, they’ve been complicit in Belos’s plans. Them being possessed is the physical manifestation of all their struggles. And also gives them the opportunity to overcome them.

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Wow, this is a really great observation! The note that they keep trying to protect Eda and failing over and over, and how their contradictions come together to make a really believable person. Absolutely loved this. I've meditated a lot on what the coven heads know...Thank you for for this comment, and thanks so much for watching!

    • @cows_on_a.picnic
      @cows_on_a.picnic ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Oooh, I didnt think about raine getting possesed as a physical manifestation of all their struggles, but it definetly makes sense, and adds a reason storywise to why it was them, and not one of the other rebellion members. I was pretty upset that they got possessd, calling them the writers' punching bag as a half joke, but you shed some light on it! Thank you!

    • @sketchbookgremlin
      @sketchbookgremlin ปีที่แล้ว +5

      A very intriguing observation 🤔 now I understand why it was Raine who got possessed by Belos, thx for that 😂💕

  • @I_am_not_stable_
    @I_am_not_stable_ ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Eda: strong but shows mercy
    Raine: strong but cant risk mercy..

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Man so many of you are full of such pithy, powerful statements and I am HERE for it. Absolutely love that.

  • @craz2580
    @craz2580 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    You made me realize that Raine is wayyy stronger than they look like. And the fact that now Belos has those abilities makes it even worst

  • @brittvaughn9447
    @brittvaughn9447 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Eda being such a softie at heart is just the best. I love that she's such a badass with a heart of pure gold.

    • @paulinemissonnier6225
      @paulinemissonnier6225 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Kinda got the impression watching that Eda is totally a hard ass with a soft heart while Raine was steel core in puppy disguise X)

  • @CuteCube5
    @CuteCube5 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    i wanna add something about the moment when Raine pulls Eda's hand
    (sorry if any of this sounds scuffed, english is not my native language)
    so what i wanna talk about is their "last" words
    "I promised a special kid i will protect you"
    they knew they probably wont make it out alive. it was their last words. they chose this words, not "i love you" or smth
    why?
    so, after "Eda's requiem" they were determined to keep Eda safe. they knew she will go on a suicide mission if needed.
    and she went to confront Darius and Eberwolf with Raine in the first place because she thought her kids didn't love her
    so the thing they decided to tell is to reassure her, that she has people to lose, that they love her, that they specifically went to ask Raine to protect her.
    they made sure she wont try to kill herself again
    but anyway they are alive and gay so thats okay 😊
    /insert the Raine seeing Harpy Eda scene with happy kids music/

  • @drongobrat6471
    @drongobrat6471 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Afterward it's been confirmed raine didn't give belos their palisman, that their violin(?) is their palisman, but that just adds another layer of sacrifice. That in the finale raine, with very little hesitation, smashed their own palisman in hopes of stopping belos from accessing the titan's heart. I think we got confirmation that their palisman was able to recover from that but holy cow that moment shows that raine really will sacrifice anything.

  • @tryingartist42
    @tryingartist42 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Wow! You definitely made me appreciate Raine’s character a lot more with this. Funny enough the themes of sacrificing your own morality for the greater good is something that’s just come up in my philosophy class! Definitely going to be thinking about this during those discussions :)

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @pippastrelle
    @pippastrelle ปีที่แล้ว +165

    I'm just saying, I would not have been opposed to more of Raine acting as a double agent. (Raeda villain au enemies-to-lovers let's go)

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +31

      THAT IS A GREAT IDEA LETS GO LETS GO

    • @mubassirzaman7202
      @mubassirzaman7202 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Idk if people even have the heart to make Raine a villain or raine acting as a stone cold double agent here **against** Eda

  • @williehughes1690
    @williehughes1690 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Yeah u hit the nail right on the head Raine demonstrates the lengths u need to be willing to go through to pull off a successful rebellion. Also yeah not only would Eda not be able to do what Raine did but I think Luz would also be in the same boat like Eda Luz can't stand seeing unjust actions fall people like Hunter.

  • @-Cryptocrystalloid_Rabbit-
    @-Cryptocrystalloid_Rabbit- ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Honestly, i was very skeptical when i first started the vid because i only ever thought of Raine as just some nice side character with some social anxiety who wanted to rebel against Belos, but GOD DAMN, u made some rlly great points. Good job!! :D

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thank you! It's a very high compliment, I love it when people bring their skepticism to something I have to say. I'm glad you enjoyed :D And yeah I remember Raine's cold ruthlessness was quite striking but not a lot of people were discussing it so I thought I'd offer my two cents on why I think they're so cool (and DEEPLY dangerous).

  • @fluffytoaster2099
    @fluffytoaster2099 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    We needed a raine appreciation episode ima be honest...but tbh they're to precious, we need to protec the enby bard

  • @garfieldsboyfriend
    @garfieldsboyfriend ปีที่แล้ว +7

    this video just made me love raine even more. they’re such an amazing character. the writing in this show is just incredible

  • @rainey.day.
    @rainey.day. ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is random, but that description reminded me of "OH NO! IT'S BOILING ACID!" I haven't thought about that meme in years.

  • @Kaipyro67ALT
    @Kaipyro67ALT ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Love the comparison to Luthen Rael. Both great spies and freedom fighters!

  • @KJ-qu5xi
    @KJ-qu5xi หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Oooh great analysis! I love Raine and you did them such justice here
    Something that I find really interesting about this is that, on the Day of Unity, when the fight breaks out between the coven heads, Darius joins in, UNTIL- Eberwolf is threatened, and he surrenders. Unlike Raine, Darius holds strong attachments to others (regardless of how much he pretends not to), and by backing down, Darius ruins any chance they had of stopping the Draining Spell.
    Although obviously the Collector intervened and stopped it anyway, this is something I could see Raine actually getting really angry at Darius for...

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thank you! I think about this constantly. Darius for all his posturing I don't think is capable of the kind of ruthlessness Raine is XD He's pettier than they are but yeah. I dont really see him as a killer. That freeze there was instinct.

  • @alannahje5198
    @alannahje5198 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love this video!! Literally all of this is so true, and is reinforced wholesale in the Owl House's spectacular, if slightly premature, final.
    Raine shines in s3e3, resisting Belos' possession of them both physically and mentally, enforcing not only their strength of will, but also their magical prowess. Even BELOS admits that Raine "was always annoyingly powerful." FR.
    Raine is just such an awesome character, and you did an awesome job analyzing their character! Props!!

    • @pierrebegley2746
      @pierrebegley2746 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You also forgot the amazing detail that the only reason Raine didn't die when Belos took control of the Titan was because they were whistling the "malice" away from them.

  • @FenriWasLive
    @FenriWasLive ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Pretty certain that if Owl House was around when I was a kid, and I looked up to Raine as much as I do now, I would have figured out that I’m non-binary a lot sooner and been more confident about it. Not in an attempt to be more like them, but to understand what it is I see and hope for in myself, thanks to the many lessons this series presents

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yeah!! This kind of representative fiction is INCREDIBLY powerful! I am so grateful that the kids of today have this, and those of us who are post-kid get to appreciate it for what it is now!

    • @47ratsinahoodie
      @47ratsinahoodie ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Same! Like I'm definitely in a spot where I both want to be Raine and want to be _with_ Raine cause they're just so cool in a way I can't explain but they would have definitely also helped me realize I was non-binary too XD

  • @olivergalaxy8337
    @olivergalaxy8337 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Raine is also terrifying cause they literally ejected Belos out of their body when they were being controlled

  • @Scrofar
    @Scrofar ปีที่แล้ว +7

    petition for a whole OVA episode starring Raine Whispers (and Eda for kicks and giggles)

  • @TheRealMariobrine
    @TheRealMariobrine 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    People have theorized that Raine's palisman took the form of their violin, but we don't know for sure.

  • @theluigifan1
    @theluigifan1 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    They deserve better imo
    I just wanna see them when they’re not in a possession situation, real or not :

  • @G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s
    @G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The weakest coven/magic type is potions and you won't convince me otherwise.

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The coven system is so STUPId it's so clearly stupid and it makes no SENSE and that's the point but oh my GODHSFLDSFALSKGJ GLK and you're absolutely right

    • @genericname2747
      @genericname2747 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Congratulations, you get to spend your whole life making magical soup while other people get to control animals and create life.

  • @kittyslyfox4180
    @kittyslyfox4180 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Rain is honestly one of my absolute favorite characters along with Hunter those two are just adorable and badass in so many different ways I love it

  • @EmpathNaga
    @EmpathNaga ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Something that I don't see people point out enough: when Raine learns Eda has kids but she dismisses them. Raine was a _teacher._ They probably know better than most that just because you're not blood doesn't mean you're not family, and how important mentors are to their students.

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      YESSSSSSS YOU GET IT

  • @entropyOTD
    @entropyOTD ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Raine is one of those characters I wished existed more often, that morally gray dubiousness all for the sake of a greater goal, and NOT being felt as the bad guy, is always a beloved breath of fresh air. I can only name a few characters who gave the same vibe, and even they don't come anywhere close to as agreeable to me in their decisions as Raine because usually there's some form of cowardice holding them back too. Raine didn't have that.

  • @DoveCallWCUE
    @DoveCallWCUE 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Raine didn’t give up his palismen, we did see it at the end, a little fox. I also noticed something else! His pal doesn’t turn into a staff, but his violin! When they first try to defeat Darius, the bard magic, look at his violin! There’s a fox at the top!

  • @snaining2054
    @snaining2054 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    a thing i always thought about with raine's magic that i haven't seen mentioned is that they can make forcefields, lightning storms, neutralize terra's poison, neutralize spells, control people's limbs, etc. with just *one note*. not even a chord or anything, just a whistle or an open string pizz is enough to match coven scouts and eda in a fight. what's going to happen when they play an actual piece?? the boiling isles explode??

  • @Victoria-_
    @Victoria-_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    THIS is why Raine is my favorite Owl House character

  • @AlexMocha
    @AlexMocha ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like that in the final *spoilers ahead* they are so powerful that belos was annoyed about it hell they broke out of a spell that the *Collector* placed on them!

  • @brolytriplethreat
    @brolytriplethreat ปีที่แล้ว +4

    After seeing the finale, I gotta say ooh boy.

  • @blitszina2570
    @blitszina2570 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Raine literally nearly stopped belos from becoming the kaiju he becomes
    Raine is hands down my fav and i wish we couldve seen more of them in general ;-;

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Raine is a next level badass and I'm so pleased that the finale validated every insane thought I ever had about their intensity and then some

  • @youc4ntunseeme242
    @youc4ntunseeme242 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ever since in Season 3, even Belos also said something about them saying how he hates how annoyingly strong they are and that's when u know raine compared to belos saying that is really intimidating but also badass

  • @MasterArchfiend
    @MasterArchfiend ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Spoilers for the finale:
    I hope that’s enough to hide it. Belos actually complains about how powerful Raine is. They are just that much of a threat even with all of the restrictions and only barely failed to prevent the tyrants plan one their own. I would not want to be on their bad side even in Mario Party.

  • @skyrie_on_talons
    @skyrie_on_talons หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Raine actually still had their palisman, look closely at the handle of their violin.

  • @oceanbreeze3172
    @oceanbreeze3172 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Having folks talk about the subtext of the story makes the series feel less short

  • @danielcurren2119
    @danielcurren2119 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    can we also take into account just how strong bard magic is?

  • @catboxanimations985
    @catboxanimations985 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I’m so glad someone did an analysis on my fav character!

  • @sprout_senior
    @sprout_senior ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i believe raine’s palisman is heavily implied to be their instrument, with (spoilers) context from watching and dreaming. i think they hid their palisman from belos via disguising it as a magical instrument

    • @sketchbookgremlin
      @sketchbookgremlin ปีที่แล้ว

      That is an interesting theory, I never thought about it that way 🤔

  • @AevitosTrath
    @AevitosTrath ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Raine did have a foxy palisman after the time jump. Couldnt tell if it was a new one or not

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The odds of me getting proven wrong on that point were SUPER high but yknow what it's fine! The interpretation works either way u v u

  • @salmondoesstuff3450
    @salmondoesstuff3450 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    **SEASON 3 EPISODE 3 SPOILER**
    Raine’s palisman didn’t get taken, in ‘Watching and Dreaming’ we see they have a fox palisman and if we look at their fiddle it has a fox end, meaning their palisman was probably disguised so they wouldn’t have to give it to Belos (Dana also confirmed their palisman’s name is Fiddlesticks)

  • @firegalaxyyt
    @firegalaxyyt หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Update: their violin was ALWAYS their palisman. They never lost them

  • @Tanner17
    @Tanner17 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    And yknow raine is incredibly powerful

  • @silver_dragon16
    @silver_dragon16 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    just the word choice and way you describe them in this video is incredible and also hilarious lmaoooo

  • @V4MPY__C4t
    @V4MPY__C4t ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Raine actually disguised their palacmen as an instrument to keep it from getting taken :))

    • @V4MPY__C4t
      @V4MPY__C4t ปีที่แล้ว

      Their violin IS the palismen, and raines actually palismen unisguised is a fox!

  • @hydrashade1851
    @hydrashade1851 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    this video reminded me of a fantasy book series that also has quite the emphasis on sacrifice and greater good vs. personal attachment. (a fuckton of spoilers for Throne of Glass by Sarah J. Maas. i dont even know why i made this comment.)
    Eda reminds me a lot of Aelin, and Raine reminds me a lot of Dorian.
    Aelin has a fate to sacrifice all of her magic and her self to forge the Lock and put it into place to seal the three Wyrdkeys into the Wyrdgate. This is purely because of an ancient debt caused by the mistake of Elena in her efforts to defeat the Valg king Erawan. Because Aelin has godly fire magic and blood relation to Elena, she is eligible to forge the Lock.
    But Dorian also has a blood relation to Elena, and godly raw magic(raw magic is the ability to make your magic take any form you need or want). He has both requirements as well, but the only difference is he has nothing to lose and a lot more pain.
    Aelin has been through a lot in her 19 years on Erilea, but through all of the torture and pain she found family and love and caring friends in Dorian, Chaol, Rowan, Fenrys, Elide, and Lysandra to name a few. She had people to help her heal from child abuse, the labor camp, being forced to work for a tyrant, waking up covered in her parents' blood, etc.
    But Dorian, being the son of a tyrannical king, hasn't been able to find that many people. The only person being Chaol for the longest time, and when chaos was brought to his doorstep via Aelin, he finally found a lot of friends. But even then he didnt let himself get too close to them after being possessed by a Valg Prince and having an identity crisis because while being possessed he learned to like hurting innocent people.
    So Dorian tried to take Aelins place in forging the Lock, even though Aelin (now being reasonably suicidal) came up with a plan to fulfill everyones wishes, keeping everyone she cares about safe, and forging almost the entirety of the Lock. The only reason they're both alive now is Aelins plan, and two strokes of luck one of them being a very anti-climactic reveal.
    Just like Raine, Dorian had nothing to lose. And just like Eda, Aelin was fine with ending herself for the greater good even if other people depended on her.

  • @LizzieDaKittie4015
    @LizzieDaKittie4015 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Raine is so cool, and so are you!!!

  • @tamireslorrane6879
    @tamireslorrane6879 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    so glad my fav character getting some attention

  • @getosapologist
    @getosapologist 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I LOVEEEE THIS ANALYSIS, it made me appreciate raine wayyyy more as a character. They’re definitely one of my faves now

  • @annarichman9685
    @annarichman9685 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    10:07 10/10 true statement

  • @rat-aisle4406
    @rat-aisle4406 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    This is amazing!! I love Raine and this analysis of their character is really well done. Great video!!

  • @lycantabris
    @lycantabris 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Depends on when you would get on either one's bad side. If you got on Eda's bad side after the two rekindle their relationship, Raine is probably still going to end you, depending on what it was you did. Something minor, they'd probably leave it to Eda, but if you actually hurt her in any way, that bard is definitely coming for your life.

  • @mnessenche
    @mnessenche หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Luthen Rael comes to mind, and is immediately mentioned 😂

  • @Derpy23
    @Derpy23 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    raine actually hides their palisman in their violin

  • @colbypatrick8910
    @colbypatrick8910 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like to think that the fox palisman that Raine has in the last episode has always been their palisman, so they didn’t give it to Belos

  • @goldenboybenny7511
    @goldenboybenny7511 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Actually it was confirmed the violin was his parliament and is was repaired after he smashed it.

  • @jakobnunez4964
    @jakobnunez4964 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I never realized this about them.

  • @finnegandusk2855
    @finnegandusk2855 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Loved the video! Raine is my favorite character, and I relate to them a lot. I've had to do some things which sacrificed a lot for me, so seeing you talk about that part of Raine's character is really refreshing for me. They're actually what inspired me to make those sacrifices, and those sacrifices and risks actually helped me survive many times. I also have a bit more to say, so I'll put a little "hot take warning" right here.
    Something not mentioned in the video that extenuates the points made, is that Raine also knows their boundaries and when they need to enforce them. Raine seemed to not exactly be asking Eda to tell them everything about her curse, but more to just be open with her emotions and not be so distant from them. By the way they say "You're doing it again" to Eda, and after saying "I can't do this anymore" shows that they've probably asked multiple times, and had that looming over until they couldn't handle it anymore.
    Also, the way that Eda says "hey, I know that face" anytime Raine is worried about her and Raine has to later tell her "don't tell me not to worry" has got me thinking a lot. And that thinking has lead me to the hopw that they don't actually get together in the end.
    First off, when characters meet up again like this in media, they usually get back together and it's so romantic and stuff. Or you see them hate each other after the breakup. You don't really see many characters just staying friends. And we all know how much Dana Terrace loves subverting tropes.
    And second off, though they may have had a good time with Eda, it didn't seem the most stable, and Eda has changed, but still has a lot of those barriers up.
    (Small detail I've noticed, Raine very easily blushes when embarrassed/flustered, but we never see them blushing back at Eda when she does. It's usually just a nervous tick at the most, which, with them being perceptive, my theory for that is that they possibly noticed how she was looking at them and felt awkward about it.)
    (No hate to any Raeda shippers BTW just stuff I've noticed)

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thank you for your thoughtful comment! I certainly felt Raines intensity ought to be discussed, I’m glad it resonated with you!

  • @ourlordandsaviorsquirtle3278
    @ourlordandsaviorsquirtle3278 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Raine's Palisman is their instrument, fyi

  • @danaevans4720
    @danaevans4720 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Love your character analysis here (and in masks off) These are wonderful (and I'm pointing authors to them because there are some good take aways here)

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow! That's a very high compliment. I'm so glad you enjoyed, and thank you for watching!

  • @notmymainaccount423
    @notmymainaccount423 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They feel like an anti hero a little. Like they are willing to let things burn for the greater good no matter who it effects

  • @arielmajor8722
    @arielmajor8722 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Raines palismen (I can’t spell) is their musical instrument so don’t worry people they don’t lose their palismen when they worked for belos and don’t worry about the finale when they smashed their palismen because they got it fixed and can be seen in the end

  • @sakurakitsunestar
    @sakurakitsunestar ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you look carefully in the final episode time skip we actually end up seeing ranes palsmen it wasn't taken its a red fox someone in the staff cleared up it's also his violin so it was hidden during the show note the fox head on the violin

  • @Advent3546
    @Advent3546 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very glad to see this respect being put on Raine Whispers' name.

  • @aspenmavera9904
    @aspenmavera9904 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Raine's palisman is a fox, you can see it on their violin too, but still badass they hid that palisman right under Belos' nose and never got caught

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว

      YEAH!! That was a great reveal!

  • @jopinto3672
    @jopinto3672 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what an incredible video!! ive seen many people (though mostly before wad) complain how the show makes raine very flat but they've actually been really well characterized, the show just doesn't tell you what theyre like word for word. fantastic little essay, made me appreciate and understand raine a lot more :)

  • @BurntSkyWCUE
    @BurntSkyWCUE 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That little goober is a menace sometimes

  • @Anamizuki
    @Anamizuki ปีที่แล้ว

    You really hit the nail on the head with the sacrifices Raine made. Dying for a cause is easy, ensuring that the plan goes through within the enemy stronghold and NO ONE suspects you? That takes the ability to compromise your morals for the greater good.

  • @-enbyfrogartist-6631
    @-enbyfrogartist-6631 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are very quickly and easily becoming one of my favourite TH-camrs, your videos are amazing and well put together ^^

  • @athethephoenixvtuber2495
    @athethephoenixvtuber2495 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly Raine kinda reminds me of Yorunobu Arasaka from Cyberpunk, While he's portrayed as an antagonist for the entire game you realize that he joined the system to destroy it after seeing that fighting it from the outside hell even dropping nukes couldn't stop the corrupt abusive system, so he rejoined it and waited until they had a chance to find a way to destroy it, which the plan got fucked up by V and Jackie, but he adapted the plan to take full control and destroy it from there but has to eliminate Jackie and V who were the only loose ends.

  • @raikao3o
    @raikao3o ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Your videos are amazing! Thanks for your hard work 💕

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much!!!

  • @Ociloc
    @Ociloc ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's been confirmed that raine kept their palisman. They hid it as their violin :)

  • @maxofficalaccountnotreally
    @maxofficalaccountnotreally หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am on my KNEES asking you to dissect sam and max’s friendship

  • @DreamersOfReality
    @DreamersOfReality ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love how Raine realized oppressive systems can't be "changed" from within. And that once he realized this, he didn't give up and join in, but actually organized a revolution! Too many real world people who go into politics in our modern world, make the same realization, but instead decide that resistance is impossible, and so become another face the oppressor wears...

  • @CesarACastillo
    @CesarACastillo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love how like a true owl house fan you used “they their them” when directly addressing Raine to reference their nonbinary nature. I’ve seen many Raine fans who forget this tiny detail.

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's a HUGE DETAIL. I can't wrap my mind around people failing to gender them correctly. I know with some languages it's hard to translate because not everything has a widely accepted gender neutral pronoun, but come on!

  • @TheRedRoseofJujutsuKaisen
    @TheRedRoseofJujutsuKaisen ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Raine is a hufflepuff no doubt about cuz like hufflepuffs, people thought Raine was weak because they have stage fright when in actuality they’re loyal, hardworking, patient, and have a strong sense of justice. Raine was patient enough to be a double agent, they work hard to make bard magic strong and became leader of the resistance, Raine whole motivation was to take down Belos who make unfair laws and cause major damage to their home. Yeah Raine a badass hufflepuff.

    • @miss-ari
      @miss-ari ปีที่แล้ว

      nah i'd have to disagree with you there- a hufflepuff's strong sense of justice would absolutely prevent them from being a capable double agent. rather than a tough puff, i'd characterize raine as a heroic slytherin. raine is a strong leader, shown to be cunning and clever and extremely resourceful even in their youth. like the first sorting hat song says, they'll "use any means to achieve their ends." the key here is that raine's ambitions aren't for any kind of personal power or benefit, but for an incredibly noble cause! the rare heroic slytherin

  • @ChaosEnthusiast
    @ChaosEnthusiast 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so glad we find out raines palisman is alive

  • @CamiloFHSC
    @CamiloFHSC ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If Raine decides something must be done, by golly, it WILL be done, even if it damns them.
    And they will offer the chance to do the same to all who are willing, and excuse those who won't, or probably shouldn't (like when they learn Eda has children).
    That is BADASS.

  • @isabellagachuhi
    @isabellagachuhi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ARE WE NOT GONNA TALK ABT HOW FLEXI RAINE IS. They do a whole fricking front flip in episodes and lands with there perfect pose. Truly one of my fav characters!❤❤❤

  • @ComFur2
    @ComFur2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Raine does have his original Palismen though. His Instrument is an alternate form for his staff. You can see it transform in the closing credits of the Final episode. Nothing beyond that to add I agree with the opinion

  • @VaSoVaVa
    @VaSoVaVa ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If Raine have ever met any person "against all lgbt+".. I hope God or any other dealer on the other side know how to handle the badassnes of Deth Wisper, who may not strike directly, but still put their best to shut down the one or two who go against them and their beliefs. Nor citizen or president could survive easily in our world...
    Because them are absolutely unstoppable and the only reason everyone is save around them it's because of their kind nature and only.
    Or I am just not a good thinking at 3:51 am.

  • @rulersreachf4n223
    @rulersreachf4n223 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If Darius and Eber were at that point in Kahoots with Raine then why would they try to kill both of them? Or was it explained and I just forgot.

    • @idlescree
      @idlescree  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      In COTH, Darius indicates that they found the whole thing kind of suspicious and when they heard Raine was up to some shenanigans, they took the initiative to "apprehend" Raine and join them in secret. This is probably why he spat at Kikimora, " told you we didn't need your help."

    • @rulersreachf4n223
      @rulersreachf4n223 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@idlescree Thanks :)