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  • @lillycastitatis6807
    @lillycastitatis6807 3 ปีที่แล้ว +379

    I wish more teachers and language learners even KNEW what IPA is...

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +139

      anglophones with their spelling pronunciations are quaking

    • @lillycastitatis6807
      @lillycastitatis6807 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@avlonskt totally

    • @dootnoot6052
      @dootnoot6052 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@avlonskt wŭt do͞o yo͞o mēn, ē-ĕn-pē-ôr ĭz grāt

    • @qwxzy1265
      @qwxzy1265 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@dootnoot6052 _aaaaaAAAAAAAAA_

    • @gal749
      @gal749 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      When I saw IPA in my French textbook I was so happy. Then of course we were taught pronunciation without the book for the first 3 classes and never again.

  • @0x9E01
    @0x9E01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +296

    it feels kinda weird to hear you actually speaking english lmao

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      it feels weird to hear myself speak english and each time i do i sound posher than i want to be sounding

    • @waterandomelets6540
      @waterandomelets6540 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      He sounds fancy xd

    • @abra2133
      @abra2133 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@avlonskt your english is spoken in cursive
      (In a good way)

    • @koduflower2000
      @koduflower2000 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@avlonskt yeah, it feels weird if you speak English in a really strong posh, kinda way

    • @cl3menti74
      @cl3menti74 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@avlonskt relatable

  • @TheTyranora
    @TheTyranora 3 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    This is nerdy and kind of informative at the same time lmao. I find it funny that you throw [θ] and [ŋ] right into conlang and then I just realized I have them in my conlang too and it's just, "damn, you're right" moment.

  • @DATA-EXPUNGED
    @DATA-EXPUNGED 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Finally content perfect for me

  • @FAIZAFEI
    @FAIZAFEI ปีที่แล้ว +11

    If I ever get to teach a language class at a school, I think I would go through the phonetic inventory of the language first thing first before starting on all the grammar and phrases jargon.

    • @abarette_
      @abarette_ ปีที่แล้ว +5

      as a baguettechad, I never understood how English was supposed to be spoken when I was at school.
      Because they don't teach you about the simplest shit like how you're supposed to pronounce /ɹ/ (a sound that is utterly alien to French, because their R is uvular instead),
      or that the t, s, d etc are not dental (unlike in French where they totally are, which is also why they have trouble with θ and ð)
      Going thoroughly through the phonemic inventory and teaching the IPA seems a bit overkill, but at least making sure the students can pronounce the damn sounds seems like a given. But it sadly isn't.

  • @Rosepierdalator
    @Rosepierdalator 3 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    SON I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, BUT I'M HERE TO LISTEN TO YOUR BRITISH ACCENT AND SOOTHING VOICE FOR 30 MINS STRAIGHT
    with love,
    mother

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      THANK YOU MOTHER

    • @PepitaMermend
      @PepitaMermend ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@avlonskt Why is your mother subscribed to @HonkaiStarRail ;-;

  • @sorbetsorbet
    @sorbetsorbet ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Started this video a year ago, now im a linguistics major and im back with actual understanding

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  ปีที่แล้ว +14

      hehehe my plan to spread linguistics is working, hope it’s going well!

    • @sorbetsorbet
      @sorbetsorbet ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@avlonskt omg hi!! And yes its going so well i love it !

  • @snoppy231
    @snoppy231 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    this is a video i vibe with on a spiritual level

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      i’m glad you’re vibing

  • @yoti2155
    @yoti2155 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    This is the nerdiest thing I have ever found and I love it.

    • @abarette_
      @abarette_ ปีที่แล้ว

      you need to look FURTHER then

  • @imatpot
    @imatpot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I never knew I wanted this. Thank you
    Also Xynder... I haven't heard that name in a while! I really hope you bring back your conlang covers at some point, be it Xynder or otherwise

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      my newest conlang radestrian might make an appearance at some point 👀👀

  • @AFrenchEnderman
    @AFrenchEnderman ปีที่แล้ว +7

    challer for you : create a conlang with only the sounds that you put into the "straight into a colang" tier

  • @kamisatotohma1098
    @kamisatotohma1098 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Your speaking voice is really different and I am not complaining, I really like your accent ^w^ (canadian comment passing by)

  • @envybearp4144
    @envybearp4144 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Something really good at 2:00AM
    Thanks Avl

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      you're so welcome i'm still coming to terms with the fact that your time zone is so far ahead of mine

  • @nakigoto4345
    @nakigoto4345 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    omg mom look i made it into this legendary video 😳 also your ʙ at 23:34 made me cry... of joy

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      вввввввввввut of course, one must always cite their scholars

  • @kanzak1haruka
    @kanzak1haruka 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is such a different video and as someone who very much wants to do linguistics and all that stuff im loving this. also this gives a fun insight into your personality.

  • @vostfrguys
    @vostfrguys ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this explains why you're so good at pronciating stuff, in every language !

  • @AlicornHana
    @AlicornHana 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For some reason i didn't get bored at this(not even exaggerating) even know i only know the fact that the IPA exists, it's use and importance
    (I can't even hear the difference between some of them, but that's just me being a non-linguist lol)

  • @xavierreichel8254
    @xavierreichel8254 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your voice is so beautiful to listen to. This video is lovely 💙

  • @nightarrow4734
    @nightarrow4734 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Watching this after making it through a phonetics class a year back gives a whole new perspective. Thank you for making this video

  • @ultlang
    @ultlang 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    i love the little "shitpost" in the thumnail

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it is what it is

    • @AlisherU262
      @AlisherU262 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh, now I love it too 😆

  • @mcg8129
    @mcg8129 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Vibing with sounds at 1am. Perfect vibes, fun to learn too

  • @user-pb2mx3ek8s
    @user-pb2mx3ek8s 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I didn't think I needed this in the middle of the night xD Thanks, man.
    Oh and that russian words you said were SO FUN TO HEAR DEAR GOD!

  • @lolosharacarrot5507
    @lolosharacarrot5507 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I like how third of the sounds are written as flipped normal letters, another third is letters with some additional lines, and other third is just alien symbols

  • @rolla2975
    @rolla2975 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    9:41 That was a really good pronunciation!

  • @rolla2975
    @rolla2975 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have no idea what any of the stuff in this video is but I still very much enjoyed it.(I even learned a lot!) I saw Avlonskt and I clicked haha . I laughed a lot and it was fun to try and mimic the pronunciations 😂👍🏻👍🏻 Thank you for the amusing video!

  • @artiomboyko
    @artiomboyko ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Oh no, getting into the pharyngeal territory"
    I felt that, I was pharyngealophobic for several years I swear

  • @wigglytby
    @wigglytby ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When you got to the epiglottal trill, i tried pronouncing it and nearly choked on my own saliva before I even started producing a sound

  • @nightfox6738
    @nightfox6738 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As a fellow phonetics enthusiast I just found your channel and I love it! Keep it up!!!
    However you put the alveolar lateral tap in "no thank you"? what? Its such a beautiful phoneme.
    You know its the Japanese らりるれろ right?

    • @abarette_
      @abarette_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

      haven't watched the video yet, but it's probably because the symbol is ass at conveying what it is and that most people just use /ɾ/ or plain /l/ for that sound instead

  • @trafficlover74
    @trafficlover74 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    oh hell nah tf happening on 5:20 💀

  • @abarette_
    @abarette_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    9:58 Isn't what you're saying just /y/? 😭I'm so confused about this phoneme especially

    • @TheLastResponder
      @TheLastResponder 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are both closed rounded vowels but /ʉ/ is a central vowel.

  • @julia_1373
    @julia_1373 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I to uczucie, kiedy jesteś nogą z języków i jedyny który umiesz to polski, ale i tak spędzasz te 31 minut, bo lubisz głos Avla 😂

    • @kokiczdrzewny
      @kokiczdrzewny ปีที่แล้ว +1

      haha dopiero znalazłem ten kanał i już go uwielbiam z tego powodu

  • @alguient1298
    @alguient1298 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think the labio-dental tap is funny.

  • @LinguaPhiliax
    @LinguaPhiliax 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm a big fan of Australian languages, so the fact that the retroflex series was ranked so low...
    It's fine.
    I'm fine.
    Everything's fiNe.

  • @tadesubaru1383
    @tadesubaru1383 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "danish is a beautiful language, that's my hot take for this video" 😂😂😂😂 had me cackling

  • @-_Marcos_-
    @-_Marcos_- ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Una lista como ésta y además hecha por alguien que habla muchos idiomas es una información muy valiosa para seleccionar sonidos para un idioma construido, y que suene muy bonito.
    Gracias 🙌

  • @LucMatheus2
    @LucMatheus2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    22:32 - Your "além" was very funny, now i have a theory that Avlonskt could be in Maranhão and not in England all this time, lol

  • @pkthoron3775
    @pkthoron3775 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don't think I ever pronounce the uvular trill in German, it's way too high effort for me. Keep in mind I'm also a very sloppy speaker who frequently turns b and g into β and γ though, lol.
    I've had a soft spot for the uvular implosive ever since I first learned how to make it, don't hate. :( All implosives are precious.

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Honestly I think I’d do the same in rapid speech now that I think about it, but in enunciation I almost always trill I think 🤔
      And in retrospect the uvular implosive deserved better it sounds funky :((

    • @Donu_tLover
      @Donu_tLover หลายเดือนก่อน

      uvular implosive sounds like gagging😂

  • @kaoriarato3692
    @kaoriarato3692 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    coming across this just as i have probably failed my phonetics exam today x.x

  • @penguinlim
    @penguinlim ปีที่แล้ว +3

    oh my gosh *you're a linguistics major??*

  • @chao3948
    @chao3948 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    22:36 bro what is this pronunciation of além💀

    • @chao3948
      @chao3948 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      also "over there"? além means beyond

  • @caenieve
    @caenieve 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The danish guy saying shit made me laugh so hard I 1) had a fucking icepick headache and 2) still kept laughing
    Also, anyone cute: says hi to me
    Me: 6:27

  • @krisowskyy
    @krisowskyy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i. need. more. of. that.

  • @onepersonintheuniverse
    @onepersonintheuniverse ปีที่แล้ว

    11:54 upside down k ‘velar click’ is actually listed as impossible by wikipedia’s chart but it still exists fsr.

    • @Donu_tLover
      @Donu_tLover หลายเดือนก่อน

      Its a back-released click

  • @thejekky_br5022
    @thejekky_br5022 9 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    22:36 Non natives speaking European Portuguese might be some of the nastiest shit I've heard (I'm Brazilian)

  • @pinkpigstorms
    @pinkpigstorms ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I laughed for some reason when you said “Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogorychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch” Also I typed that from memory

  • @tymurtymur6319
    @tymurtymur6319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Close internet. We found the best video

  • @vellamore3136
    @vellamore3136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have just started an applied lingustics degree. I love phonetics, but phonetics hate me... especially schwa. Fuck schwa.

  • @junupbox4911
    @junupbox4911 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11:47 Don't worry, I have a vendetta against most palatals and all retroflex because i can't pronounce them easily (unless its j) lol.

  • @pizzafox21
    @pizzafox21 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    6:19 alveolar lateral flap my beloved

  • @jaems473
    @jaems473 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Avlönskt, I realise I might be about 3 years too late, but I have a question for you.
    I have been a hobby "linguist" for about a year now, and by that I mean I have learned the IPA chart to an extent. I am considering doing a linguistics degree in my homeland (England) - would you recommend it?
    Also, side note: which font did you use in the video? It's giving Calibri and I love it!

  • @kartonkartonski
    @kartonkartonski 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OH BOI YES I DO LOVE THE LATERAL FRICATIVES AS WELL

  • @Magnolia_Petals
    @Magnolia_Petals ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why does your voice sound so beautiful when you speak polish? It's as if you were a different person

  • @flatbreadjk
    @flatbreadjk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    θænk jʊ (sorry i just started learning the ipa and i cant pronounce half of the sounds)

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      the y sound is written as [ j ] :D
      ʌɪm ɡlæd

  • @_yellow
    @_yellow 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The voiced bilabial implosive is a def godphone 💯

  • @leftysheppey
    @leftysheppey 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I put this video on to fall to sleep to. Far too interesting 😂 I'd rank this video as straight into a conlang

  • @_karess_195
    @_karess_195 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Sleep? Who normal would do that when you can see Avl's sounds ranking... and listen his english 🙀🖤

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      honestly this is such a niche video XDD

  • @Miyotan
    @Miyotan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    HOW DO YOU EVEN SAY 90% OF THOSE

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      with years of study and practice 😩

  • @ziizion4074
    @ziizion4074 หลายเดือนก่อน

    /kx/ being so low hurts my swiss german heart

  • @YugoslavForever
    @YugoslavForever 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    God this is fucking great, i love this

  • @Ikxi
    @Ikxi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have no clue what this is but it sounds nice

  • @gabrielangeliccc
    @gabrielangeliccc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    hmhmhmhm... interestingggg..ALSO ITS BEEN MONTHS WHY ARE YOU STILL SICK???

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      human's greatest delusion is that ailments are transient

    • @gabrielangeliccc
      @gabrielangeliccc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@avlonskt damn..

  • @malik.1688
    @malik.1688 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    TWO VIDEOS BACK TO BACK EYE-
    another early morning shift saved, even tho I'll have to watch it later😔
    UND HILFE DEINE STIMME KLINGT SO S Ü ẞ B I T T E MACH MEHR TALKING VIDEOS HSHWHWKWLS (i always forget that you speak german but today your Tsugai Kogarashi cover (will edit this bc i cannot remember the correct name lol) beautifully reminded me of that). Кроме того, ты один из моих лыбиммых певец and watashi wa anata no koe daisuki.
    (alright now enough with the non-existent language skills, i will leave you beautiful multi-lingual bastard alone hshwhwjwk)

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ich weiß die chaotischen Vibes von diesem Kommentar zu schätzen, danke sehr

  • @thewitchbasket
    @thewitchbasket ปีที่แล้ว

    Your natural voice sounds nice! I want to hear more covers from you with less pitch correction… the pitch correction really makes your voice sound more robotic :(

  • @Xia_Jinhai
    @Xia_Jinhai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My friend as an asian
    IPA? isn't that mean ilmu pengetauan alam
    and i dunno what the heck his telling to me

  • @ronaldt6875
    @ronaldt6875 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    16:37 wow you actually sound like a native gen am speaker

  • @smnmnmuuc
    @smnmnmuuc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    delicious one

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      very juicy

  • @dimitrosskrippka2154
    @dimitrosskrippka2154 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That’s an interesting conlang

  • @sarkana6317
    @sarkana6317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    не знаю почему, но это подняло мне настроение:D

  • @janLikeli
    @janLikeli 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    13:15 shame that my beloved [ʍ] is f tier. U__U
    There's something very Hwimsical about it to me. I'm also just a tiny bit biased about [h] proceeding other consonants in clusters, like /hf/.

  • @G00DLORD
    @G00DLORD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    excellent video

  • @HypaBeast
    @HypaBeast 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    16:11 oh. i do that

  • @Polish_raccoon
    @Polish_raccoon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nigdy nie sądziłam że będe słuchać rankingu (tu wstaw poprawną nazwe tego co rankujesz ja jestem zbyt zmęczona żeby teraz myśleć xd) o 23 ale oto co robię zamiast spać w sobotnią noc. Niczego nie żałuje XD

  • @DWithDiagonalStroke
    @DWithDiagonalStroke ปีที่แล้ว

    5:20 F

  • @АмперДыкина
    @АмперДыкина 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Короче говоря, классификация фонетических символов

  • @siyacer
    @siyacer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    sh is goated

  • @salumtheconlang2953
    @salumtheconlang2953 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ohh, the guy back to conlang community

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      [in the appropriate meme format] always have been

  • @AlisherU262
    @AlisherU262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    _Duolingo wants to know your location._
    (It's pretty old hat, I guess...)

  • @wimtek5280
    @wimtek5280 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:39 how u beter speak this than me. now i fell like a trash

  • @eduardomelo151
    @eduardomelo151 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hmmm. Content

  • @fishylogic222
    @fishylogic222 ปีที่แล้ว

    Prescriptivism but epic

  • @meme_lord6990
    @meme_lord6990 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ahhhh I like these new vids

  • @elli5301
    @elli5301 ปีที่แล้ว

    where are you from

  • @zorineq5574
    @zorineq5574 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Saying hello to 1AM gang

  • @LinguaPhiliax
    @LinguaPhiliax 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Voisles aelvijólar laeteral aefrikat.
    Fenszjevs skvjöińsk.

  • @bukazserem1722
    @bukazserem1722 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ciekawe rzeczy robisz

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      dzięki

  • @ashtarbalynestjar8000
    @ashtarbalynestjar8000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    [t̪] is god t̪ier

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      god̪ t̪ier

    • @tookiecar1
      @tookiecar1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@avlonsktgod tier
      ^^^^^^

  • @anonymoususer2756
    @anonymoususer2756 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    /ʊ/ is top tier

  • @AlisherU262
    @AlisherU262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    24:27 Ну зачем же ты так? Реально ведь выучить могут 😆

  • @mikhailguk8497
    @mikhailguk8497 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It was very cute. I don't know exactly why I watched this, but I did)

  • @elskabee
    @elskabee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    not the Avl content we were expecting, but the Avl content we all needed

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      pharyngeals give me so much struggle hours but i can appreciate they deserve better Ɛ>

  • @Movedchanelssss
    @Movedchanelssss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Make a English cover of reincarnation by kemu plz

  • @alexandreparot5846
    @alexandreparot5846 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fuck yeah

  • @sprunkbots
    @sprunkbots ปีที่แล้ว

    IPA- ττττ

  • @ronnie6159
    @ronnie6159 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m the 20000th subscriber:D

    • @ronnie6159
      @ronnie6159 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Congrats btw, luv ur vids

  • @leikarui1277
    @leikarui1277 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      why not, my friend

  • @carpathian_bear_
    @carpathian_bear_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Вивчаю фонетику (німецьку, наскільки я зрозуміла?) разом з Авльо...Авлу... Коротше, з тобою. хд

    • @AlisherU262
      @AlisherU262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Тут фонетика буквально усіляка :)

  • @theammir
    @theammir 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hell yeah

  • @baquu
    @baquu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    NICE VIDEO‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️👍👍👍👍

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      baquu shdjajjdjajd thank you??

  • @joegaming2189
    @joegaming2189 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    p͡b

  • @matthew1863
    @matthew1863 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You put the swedish fake phoneme that both isnt a phoneme as its 2 sounds and doesnt actually show up in the listed realization in most swedish dialects in godtier :( lmao

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The dialectal variation I do understand (but that’s a whole thing in and of itself that I wasn’t going to go into for this), but how isn’t it a phoneme? What are these “two sounds”? Just curious, as I haven’t seen any evidence against the phoneme itself and I’d be intrigued to know (as a phone though, yeah, it’s a pseudo-phone). And of course its existence in this list is likely superficial, as is my ultimate judgement on it based on a single dialect, but the sound I had in my head when seeing that symbol is godtier!

    • @matthew1863
      @matthew1863 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@avlonskt Yeah the sound is pretty cool, but it's really x and sh(dont want to get out the ipa keyboard combined) so it's as much a phoneme as coarticulated gb. While they are kinda one sound they are also kinda 2 that's why I said it was pseudo. The thing I find weirdest about it is if you believe wikipedia, not only is it rare to find the standard realization in swedish, literally no known dialect of swedish uses coarticulated sh x.

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthew1863 That doesn’t detract from its phonemicness though? Because a phoneme is an abstract category, and what you’re referring to is still phonetic, and not phonological? Besides co-articulation is also still a single phone?
      And yeah I recognise the reality of that sound (it was just too complex for this video, so I just took Sj™)

    • @matthew1863
      @matthew1863 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@avlonskt I demand you include every realization of the phoneme as its own entry and rate each one seperately./s I mean a phoneme is described essentially as a distinct unit of sound which feels like os has a lot of wiggle room in it. Because it's a coarticulation I dont know if its really a distinct unit or if it's just combining 2 seperate distinct units its really up to interpretation.

    • @avlonskt
      @avlonskt  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthew1863 Ranking: the realisations of sj!
      I’m just confused about your use of the word phoneme, because phonemes can’t combine? The point of a phoneme is that it’s a distinct phonological unit which can distinguish words, and has nothing to do with its phonetic realisation. Its phonetic realisation may indeed be a combination of sounds (and its variation means that its phonetic value is definitely up to interpretation), but unless it can be shown that the sound, whatever its realisation, is not lexically contrastive then its status as a phoneme remains unchanged. So I’d say what you’ve described makes it a pseudo-phone, but doesn’t actually address the phoneme itself? But I’m just being picky about terminology now - I just thought there would be something about its actual phonological status like a few minimal pair examples which call the unit into question, which would’ve been cool