Every time nagsasalita si pablo marami akong napupulot na aral. Pablo is like a parent kapag nagsesermon sa dulo may pangaral at at iniexplain nya kung bakit ganun sinaaabi nya. Sya yung taong hindi nakikipagsapawan sa member ang tanging iniisip mya yung ikakabuti ng lahat. Haay naku pau mas lalo lang kitang nagugustuhan. Ayaw kong isipin na someday magakakarion kayo ng kanya kanyang pamilya at career. Sana forever nalang kayong Sb19. We love you mahalaima.💙💙💙
As someone who has the same personality as Ken, i can agree that he needed to hear those words and me too. Meetings really bore me a lot, and chat especially group chat with hundreds of conversation not directly for me is really difficult to have interest. We are the kind of people that if we like what we do we will pour more than a hundred percent of effort but if we're not interested, we are barely there
SB19 shows WHAT TRUE BROTHERHOOD IS.. nobody here is put in a bad light..their brotherhood is so deep that is why they can do this to each other...be frank and honest to each other...A DEEP RESPECT FOR THE BOYS..
this is what makes SB19 unique, they're real REAL. and they even had the courage to share it with the fans! I agree, I was laughing at the first half of the podcast then it got intense at the end... but you know what, the fact that they can be upfront and honest with each other just shows that their bond as groupmates or brothers is solid/real.
Objective + understanding + acceptance is the key to a genuine relationship & that's what SB19 convey in this episode. With their working environment they should surround themselves with people & fans/fandom that has traits like this too. Their humility & genuine brotherhood is really admirable. Spread LOVE, spread SB19's MUSIC. 💙
When this podcast first aired, the Twitterverse exploded. It really divided A'Tin and the arguments went to a different level. Some said that Ken was thrown into the lion's den and that the other members ganged up on him. I just can't comprehend why the fandom never thought all of them, especially Ken, agreed to this. They knew what's discussed in this, they knew what they need to face how much it's gonna hurt or how it's gonna be displeasing to some people. Ken is my bias but he needs to hear those things for his own good. True, they can discuss this things privately, as I am sure they have done so hundreds of times in their huddles, but they chose to do this publicly for transparency. I have said this before, these boys have no filter when it comes to showing their true feelings. And true, Stell have tantrums. I remember there was one day of activities. He was wearing the same top when they did the taping for the Golden Hour Remix, the Wish Bus live performance and an interview for a Canadian show. He was not really in a good mood that it's very obvious during the interview. Ken was trying to coax him out of it but he's really not in the mood. And it was his birthday. Besides, they made this podcast during their Pagtatag world tour a couple of months ago. I am sure whatever differences they had during those times have already been ironed out. To control the arguments that have already gotten out of hand and out of context, the management added a disclaimer for this podcast and released it to all of their socmed platforms.
You are absolutely correct. This is between THEM, and only them and we should never insert ourselves in it. They were generous enough to share this conversation with us in the hopes that viewers will learn lessons from it and grow from it. Unfortunately, some of a certain member's solo stans are already attacking the other 4 members. I sometimes wonder, did they watch the same podcast I watched?
7 years of being together! somehow its like they have been married and have gone through so much but have chosen to stick together and try to understand each other's flaws.....so much to learn from these very successful young men! I wish to watch your live concert someday....a 55 year old fan, mother of two grown up boys :)
Ohhh you really have to watch them perform live because they are unbelievable performers. I’m a 60 yr old jazz lover and has never loved and supported any PPOP until i have known SB19. I enjoyed attending their concert, it’s a concert of a lifetime! One of the best concerts i have ever experienced!
I love watching sb19 clips with you. The thing is, they kinda grew up before my eyes, from the boys of those earlier years to the men they are today. As a mom of grown up kids, these conversations are nothing but normal as they explore thier world together. They are as different as night and day but magical together! Let us enjoy them moment by moment bec time goes by so fast.
I like Ken even more after this episode. He knows his weaknesses, he agreed to whatever they said about him too. When it was his turn to say what he didn’t like about them, he had nothing to say, not because they are perfect, but like Pablo said, he sees things black and white, either he like you and accept you 100% or not. He did say in one of his interviews that he love his brothers and he will die an SB19 member. I’m not saying the other members are not as accepting, but they see the grey areas more than him. This is also why in episode 1 when they were talking about cutting ties, I feel like like he maintained all his relationships and didn’t have to cut ties with anyone. I hope they talk about what they like most about each other next episode to lighten the mood 😔
Love your take on this, Hurraira. I agree. 💙 People are different, some more than others. And this is why talking about things like this is important, so they'd understand and make adjustments to make things work. As a Ken stan, I know he's very different and very artistic and maybe a genius even. Hopefully, he can consider seeing a professional to figure out his sleeping issues 🥺 and also diagnose maybe if he has ADHD? So the people around him can adjust during meetings and all of that.
Open communication is a key for all relationships to flourish and i have high hopes that thiers would go a long way..now oh ken oh ken, he is such a complicated guy, but one could wonder why he is stl loved by many despite of his flaws? Members, staffs and fans alike? He is a puzzle and a loveable one at that! The journey is not in solving the puzzle but seeing him navigate his moments in his own pace. I love them all!
I can relate to Ken, most of the time,after work i do not want to hang out with people im already working with everyday of my life. Afterwork i just want to stay at home and do my thing like. Its ME time. I need to preserve my energy alone.
Ken is working hard for a future career. You are right. When you’re in a group you also need to channel your energy the way you’re doing for yourself. There are rules to follow in a group to make it stronger and achieve success. They will learn more and become wiser as they age. 😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤
I hope you do not think lowly of Justin because of the “gossips” he knows. He hears them and at times shares them with his SB 19 brothers. But he is not the one that makes or the source of the gossips. Filipinos gossip a lot and you hear them passively when you’re salons, dentist and skin clinics. I do hope you see the positive in Justin. He is a nice boy.
For me. They have been together for 7 years. They know each other best. I really appreciate thier honesty. We are but humans, we have flaws.That is when love comes in, you can see beyond the imperfections.Some people are close minded about this things. High respect to this group.❤
Both Josh and Ken have sleeping disorders. Josh can sleep anywhere. In the Philippines, we have this saying, "Masandal lang, tulog" (Just leaned, and immediately fall asleep). And he snores big time. Hahahahaha. Ken, on the other hand, have anxiety as he admitted during one of his EP promotional performance. That always causes him not to get sleep, and when he does, it's already morning. Also, that's when he said he is very productive in writing songs. When Ken was asked what was his favorite part on being on tour, he said staying in his hotel room and doing the laundry. He missed out so much on seeing the wonderful places. He even asked Stell to buy food for him as he really doesn't want to go out. That's why I can't wait for their ShowBreak episodes as those are the rare times that they are together aside from their performances.
Well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news (in case you haven't read about it on X) that it has been chaotic there because of the uproar from OT1 Ken/Felip stans. Can't say I blame them because they have the right to feel a certain way. I agree that the podcast was a bit heavy in the part that Ken was involved (particularly with what Josh had to say). What I can't accept was the accusation that the podcast was meant to sabotage him or set him up for attack because I felt the podcast was shared out of trust for us fans that we will never judge them. It was a given that he agreed to everything that was recorded, that's why we were able to watch episode 2. Why did I say so? Stell's feedback to Josh was edited out so it must be that Josh didn't like that part so it was cut. Ken could have done the same thing and could have requested to edit out anything in particular, but everything said about him was there. Now Josh (because of the way he connects his "preaching" on a more personal level and Justin (for the long list) have been getting the hate from OT1 Ken/Felip stans. But out of all of this, I will always be a Stell stan and I was most affected when he shared that he got bashed. We all know about it but I just didn't expect he'd speak out and that says a lot of how affected he was because of it that my heart bleeds for him. He was just being himself and knows that if he won't do it, who will? You knew what happened in that Parcinq interview, the most awkward interview of all. And yes, I commented before that Stell usually is the one who understands questions in interviews because he's so attentive and he'll look you straight into your eyes. Perhaps, my favorite part is when Pablo told Stell that he's the LIGHTEST in the group and that he envies his lifestyle, perhaps it's him being the least stressed out in all situations, like you just want to be around him all the time and be happy. Literally the sunshine of the group!
This episode prove that they are Family not just as a group Sharing their dislikes to each other it doesnt mean that they dont love,care each other.....as they've always said NOBODYS PERFECT although they say it on PUBLIC but their RESPECT to each other grow more and more ...SB19 will be sad if people will felt sad for this episode...next episode for sure it will be the opposite for this episode...LIKES TO EACH OTHER EPISODE 3 who knows❤ Loving this 5 BOYS its an honored because they brought HAPPINESS to all people..... Everyone has a flaws not only to them....LETS FOCUS THE FUTURE OF SB19❤
I hope Stell will not be affected by the bashings...Stell shd only be conscious of what IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN HIS LIFE SAY..STELL is very very popular now and many people are getting to know abt SB19 because of Stell...HE IS LOVED BY MILLIONS..
The fake vs real point was more about Jah and not Ken. Jah raised it to make a point since Ken would joke about Jah being fake when he's still trying to be nice despite of whatever he's feeling or going through. So Jah and Pablo made a really good point about how some people will say you are not showing your true nature when you "act nice". But for Jah in particular, he still strives to be nice or do good because he believes it's the right thing to do but it doesn't mean he's pretentious, that's just how he really is
Yes. Justin was I think hurt whenever Ken said that Justin was being fake when he was being nice/ kind. Especially when Justin made mistakes, he felt Ken was invalidating the good things he did. Nowadays, people think being a bad boy is being real. Being a goody two shoes is being boring and bland. And being an obedient son makes you spineless. I hope my son grows up to be a kind hearted person. Even if others think he is boring.
Justin is not "fake" and it's good that he spoke up about it. He is yet to learn to be more expressive with his feelings without fear of judgement or criticism. He probably avoids confrontation, prefers a diplomatic tone & words. My college bestfriend was like that but now people thinks she is assertive & a "real" leader vs her "shy & nice" persona before.
Yes I felt that Jah is kinda hurt whenever Ken is saying "Justin is fake" even if it's meant to be a joke. Justin's concern is that, many would easily believe negative stuff that's being said even if it's just a joke rather than possitive stuff even if it's true.
True😊 Jah for me is more mature in thinking though he is the youngest. By the way my bias is Pablo cuz he is a good leader however as a whole I love SB19 cuz this group is my happy pill(stress reliever) hence I hope ATIN with biases should accept the imperfections of their bias and should not take it against the other who divulge the other member's imperfections cuz it's our human nature to be imperfect. Ok..love love lng😊❤❤❤
Only close-minded and immature people will view this podcast as negative and attack certain indivual.. No bullying intended!!! Five grown up men talking about sensitive stuff, assessing their relationship and finding solution to fix disagreements and misunderstandings.. They need this as they are self-managing theirselves and it's a real business so they should be on the same page when it comes to work ethic.. They have healthy relationship with each other and it's beautiful to watch.. They wouldn't be sharing this in public if one of them is against this.. It's hard to be in a group where all members have different personalities and where they come from..
But u cant control the close minded as u say. And even the title is atin atin lang. May mga tao parin sa pagilid na makapanuod at makakita at may masisira at masisira
Now that I heard it for a second time. It doesn't feel hard anymore compare to the first time hearing it. I get to heard it more collectively now. This podcast really a celebration of their diversity, their opinions to each other, the constrast of their personalities, even with how they communicate their thoughts and the culture and upbringing that they have.
After this, I am so glad to see the apparent changes in Ken. Did you notice? He came back from his solo events in Singapore fully charged. During their Pop Campus Tour, he can be seen talking during the introduction. In their KZ Tandingan guesting, it's as if It was Felip who was performing and not Ken In Watson's Playlist concert, he was really into their performances, especially during Liham, where he can be seen really feeling the song. Even during their latest live, even when he's not feeling well, he was there participating even if it's just reading his spiels. And lastly, during the Pepsi Pulse event, he was at the forefront of the group. He was still not feeling well, have coughs but he gamely went on with the perfornance. Even during their short meet the press, he was a bit talkative. So, something great really resulted from this podcast. But still, we can't expect him to be a totally changed man as he is also an introvert and suffering from anxiety attacks every now and then.
Ken and my son are capricorn. Same bday. My son has autism. I did not say Ken is but he is special. He gets things easily in just one click. Attention span is really short and got easily bored that is because he knew what will be the result. He knew if it will work or not. Sometimes his reaction is different from what he truly feels. I love them all. They are authentic and not scared that maybe half will leave the fandom. Because at the end of the day, they knew they have each other. They are brothers!!! Hugs to our boys!!!
One fan even mentioned ADHD...one even suggested a professional help or therapy referring to his sleep disorder...But to me, Ken is Ken, he has his own way of expressing himself which others often misunderstood. He is blessed to have these boys and other people who are always with him, support and love him no matter what.
Ken told before that he has anxiety and sleeping disorder..thst's why some fans of him was feel sad for what saying of his other companions for him..i sallute to PABLO for being a good leader...he still understand ken and learned to accept his imperfection.. a big hug for them..and i still stan for KEN/FELIP.. ❤❤❤
@@AnnGee-hs6ef As an insomniac and experiences anxieties myself I relate to Ken, mahirap talaga if wlang tulog it affects your daily life. I hope the boys will advice Ken to consult a sleeping dsorder specialist/doctor. Parang di sila naninawala kay Ken when he said malala na yung sleeping probs sya wla syang tulog. Dun ako na sad sana they told him on air to seek a doctor or do yoga for meditation whatver. Kasi isa yun sa reasons tlga why Ken is always late, wlang energy o gana sa mga activites nla or wla sya sa focus. I commend him din kasi he didnt not say too much sa mga negatives ng co members nya he chose to say it directly to the person. I really pray Ken will take care of his health wag nya ibalewala kasi mahirap tlga magkasakit, ako nattakot ako bka mag ka brain eneurysm ako sa wlang tulog and stress kaya i really took care of myself na. I hope Ken will do too. 🫶🏼 Im rooting for these boys i pray they will be together as sb19 for 10years or more making music ♥️ proud of you guys! God speed! 🇵🇭♥️
I was sooo waiting for your take. Honestly, it was a hard watch for me on the first pass. And I agree, I was afraid things would be taken out of context-and they were. I love Josh’s calm support and explanation of stuff. And true, Pablo can get a little too hyped with whatever he’s talking about but glad that he often catches himself and tones it down and tries to make it more digestible. I think Stell is just funny overall. He’s everyone’s friend that’s for sure. Although, I wish he’d taken the comment about the van seating better instead of saying he’ll just ride his own vehicle. I hope he was also kidding about that. Now I understand why in all the old clips the guys just described Justin as a good kid, it’s because he just is. I enjoyed them making up bad stuff to say about him. Now, Ken. Oh, Ken. Why is it that even when he’s not everyone’s bias, he’s everyone’s baby? I don’t know if I have a favourite but Ken is just such a loveable creature, one you just want to protect. He has grown quite a bit since working on his own project and I hope he can try harder to bring that back into the group and I hope the rest of the guys make an effort to acknowledge when he does. As for what Justin said, I think it goes back to what Pablo explained-Ken’s more black and white setting-it was something he says as a joke but it obviously still hit Justin deeper than originally meant. It was a good point he raised and good for Ken to learn. Glad that they can talk to each other honestly and help the other take the sting out when something spicy is said.
Pablo's never late, he's used to some members' being late and understood them because there's just certain circumstances, however, he just hopes that it would be improved, because it doesn't just only affect them but also the people they work with. It could backfire in their future works. He emphasized the importance of work ethics especially being on time, team effort, and discipline. It's all for the best of the group because others, who don't understand them, might frown at working with them, & a whole lot of things especially now that they're not artists but also business entrepreneurs.
Remember they mentioned before that Pablo usually gets there first but also the last person to leave. The mind, attitude & ethic of a real great leader.
agree 100 percent, but I also understand what's happening to Ken cuz I myself also have sleeping problems. With this problem I got sick and was dismiss in my work.
Jah was saying that Ken likes to joke around about him being fake everytime Jah does something good or show kindness, and the joke is actually bothering him. as jah wanted to point out to ken that being kind or showing compassion and sensitivity can also be the real you and not necessarily fake… the fake comment was not directed at ken’s personality but it was about him constantly making a joke at jah calling him fake
Well it also reflects your personality when you call a person fake when in fact that person is kind enough to do good deeds to others. It shows that Ken never supports Jah (as his friend) in doing those kind deeds. He should give him compliments and not always “joke” that Jah is fake especially in front of other people (or camera) who don’t know that it’s only a joke.😕
Our brave young men, very brave souls indeed to put themselves out there. They are smart and they know that this can be divisive to some. However, for me, it made me love them more. It only shows that they are artists and their talent is what sells, not the “packaged persona” that a lot of personalities share to the public. This reminds fans that they are real people with real issues like everyone else. I love them to bits
Me, I enjoy this podcast, truly they are human, they are not perfect. Ang mga fans nman na nagagalit ay mga short minded yan. Dapat naiintindahan nila ang mga boys, tao yan kya hindi perfect.
Actually what Jah's trying to say, Ken always calling him FAKE when he's doing a good deeds. Jah explaining to him that's offensive joke specifically when they're in public or in front of other people that they don't know. He's telling Ken that doing a good deeds even if it's not your personality is not fake but doing it because you know that it's the right thing to do.
I love Ken even more after this episode. I can relate to him so much, I also have sleeping probs, introvert, bisdak (Bisayang dako) we are judged as aggressive because the tone of our dialect kaya parang offended tlga pakinggan he is straightforward, and directly wants the goal to get done agad wlang chechebureche Hurraira explained it so well and clearly..i hope the boys will see this reaction. Anywy I hope Ken will consult a doctor and take care of his health bc sleeping problems will affect your daily life. I wished Hurraira mentioned this at the end too. ♥️ anyway lablab Ken! Forever a sisiw! 🐓🇵🇭♥️
Just remember family has an issue sometimes but, it doesn’t mean they don’t love and cares each other. A’tin just a reminder… this is a healthy discussion. I’m glad they get it out what ever in their chest.😊
Love how they don't filter their thoughts. The reason why they are so loved is that they are not afraid to put themselves out there risking showing their not-so perfect sides. They always tell people not to put them in pedestal because they are a work in progress. There is nothing about this conversation that's boring. They are all interested in becoming best versions of themselves. They are very brave risking getting bashed for saying real but not flattering aspects of themselves. Love this podcast of theirs. I'm a lot like Ken. I am perennially late, I can't stand long meetings, I have odd sleeping habits, I randomly reply to text/calls/messages (most times I ignore lol), no sense of time. All their personalities, despite being different are endearing.
I love them even more after these 2 episodes. They are so relatable, when ever they talk or having conversation, we the listeners connect so easily. These 5 are all amazing but who got my most admiration this time is Pablo . Like the other members said, he had changed 360deg. He is very understanding, emotionally intelligent, communicates well, selfless, humble and responsible. He has no egoistic attitude or feeling of entitlement. He truly has the leadership skills. I like Josh here too, his speaking tone is calm even if the topic is heavy, knows how to listen and appreciates feedback. I love that even if this is an open forum that opens their thoughts and feelings towards each other, the chaos, the fun, the jokes and the laughter never cease.
Ken’s first language is Cebuano or Bisaya. It’s hard to express if it’s not your natural language. And plus, our tone is harsh for others. Tagalog speakers think we’re always fighting.
I'm grateful that they're even allowing us to see such a vulnerable & honest side to them. Unfortunately some people are definitely taking things out of context but like you said in the beginning we are mere flies on the wall. There to observe & not interject our opinions and/or pit the boys against each other.
Oh, I completely agree. We are merely onlookers. Even the boys' families do not interfere with them, instead silently supporting them and allowing them to thrive on their own while ensuring that they have someone to turn to when things get difficult. I wish all of A'tin was like that to them. I sincerely hope that some of the "hurt" single stans learn soon that internal fandom dispute will have a negative impact on the group rather than helping them or their biases attain greater heights.
Well, the dye is cast. They let this thing out and there will be a fall out in one way or another. A risky decision because some will be disillusioned with their idols.
@@rowmon7578For me, I love them even more cuz they are still human like me😅 and beside eveything in this world is risky. Those who take risk becomes more successful and to be honest is a very positive traits. Mga shortminded lng ang magagalit sa ganitong palabas. Basta ako ang masasabi ko lng SOAR high MAHALIMA, were just behind you supporting😅❤ ano mang negative traits mayroon kayo. Sa mga A'TIN na sumama ang loob dahil lng sa inilabas ang negative traits ng bias nila pakaisipin lng po nio na humans are not perfect. Ok, love love lng. 😊❤❤❤❤
I get Ken. I, too, am like that, especially during long meetings. People may see it as not paying attention, but truth is I pay attention and I could definitely respond accordingly when asked. I love how rhey could openly talk about what they appreciate and what they wish one would do differently so they can work together better. Love love these boys. Thanks you for sharing your two cents' worth and for always supporting MAHALIMA. 💙
My best friend and I had a small talk after watching episode 2. We realized that the topic is quite risky since it's not a private conversation and millions of people, who we don't know and might not understand their perspective, can hear it and respond with negative thoughts. It's so raw that even celebrities can't openly discuss it in public. Perhaps all their hardships have made them stronger, and now they focus on what they can give or offer to the people who faithfully listen to them, respect them, and love them.
same sana dnalang ganun ang tema nila para masaya nalang pero tapos na hati ang mga fans talaga pero dyan maiiwasan,personaly opinyon kulang naman base tingin ko,c ken kc ang malakas talaga bukod sa talented talaga at malakas karisma tingin ko mayron selos o inggit ako nakikita dko lang alam ku ng napapansin ng iba tingin kolang naman base sa nakikitako､sana mali ako sana walang ganun love them all
@@Mugi12126 I think they all shines on their own uniqueness, ken maybe cool and talented but as you can see some of the members that he always with is saying that there's something they didn't like about his attitude or personality? Kunti lang naman. We also have that in our own circle of friends. So it's normal. I was saying that they're so real and want each to shine.
@maikovelasco3663 i don't think may inggit o selos kc sabi naman nila na accepted nila si ken at 6 to 7yrs na silang magkakasama. yung mga pinoint out lang sa kanya yung kailangan sa work nila na mag improve for the better. lahat sila may kanya kanya flaws, nobody's perfect talaga. they're all real.
I was wondering some fans wanted Ken to separate from the group and believe Ken is the best. They get to where they are now because of their talents as a group. I understand the sentiment of the other members when it comes to commitment. Based on their conversation, Ken is all out for his solo and so so for the group effort. Like what Pablo said, their group may not be there forever but people will remember you for who you are and your character. If they disband someday, and do individual endeavors, their work ethic will help them succeed because everybody age. Not forever astig, pogi, or move gracefully. All physical attributes- temporary. Hope they learn from each other and continue to cherish their friendship.
@maikovelasco3663 tama personal na opinion mo lang. Di mo pwuedeng sabihin magaling si Ken dahil di pa naglalabas ng Solo si Justin at Stell na kaya lang naman nagkaroon ng Felip Stan kase nga may sarili syang ganap. At mostly sa Stan ng other member buong group ang sinusuport unlike sa Stan ni Felip na walang pakialam sa group at mahilig pang mag down ng ibang member para lang ipakita na mas magaling si Ken. And mind you hindi kainggit inggit yung work ethics nya. Pasalamat sya at brotherhood talaga na na develop nila kaya pinipilit nilang correct si Ken. Kase kung inggit lang sila papabayaan lang nila yan sabay chika sa press instead na diretsong pag usapan para sila mismo ang mag correct. Sana lang wag mong gawing IDOL ang tingin kay Ken. HUMAN sya pumapalpak at alam nya yon at I'm sure willing mag improve. Another thing hindi nahati ang A'TIN na distinguished sino ang tunay at hindi. Kase kung A'TIN ka dapat MAHALIMA ka kung hindi mo sila gustong 5 F/K Stan ka lang HINDI KA A'TIN. At kung pinag aaway mo sila mas confirm na di ka belong sa fandom. So hindi ka SISIW coz sisiw is a house part of A'TIN. At sana mag improve ka rin sa POV mo gayahin mo amo mo marunong tumanggap ng pagkakamali.
First time to see a group of artists tackle a sensitive topic online - what they don't like about each other. It takes guts to remove the veil of mystery and reveal their flaws to the public - not to mention, allowing another person to do that for them. I'm sure it's not the first time they've heard feedback from each other, but I bet it's still not easy to hear. No one wants to hear about their flaws, but it's necessary. In their line of work, it helps to hear from honest people who would keep them grounded and help improve their character (not just their craft).
They have been together 7 years. In a marriage that’s a lot. Group forming and norming is a process that people in the psych field often focus on. Whatever negativity we assume about their training in the past, we also need to recognise some good - 1) never being late so they receive their allowance. This may have had fear as motivation as the negative side, but let’s face it, when you are still growing up, you need structures to keep you in check… maturity only happens when the structure disappears and you maintain the good habit you learned even so. 2) huddles - now they seem to have lost that. They said in Ep 1 that when they are together they don’t really talk about serious things anymore. Someone commented that some of their comments about Josh was cut. In my opinion, this may have been related to staff. Pablo’s comments about reading the room seem to hint at it. Personally, as a person whose background is counselling and mentoring people, my worry was the fans - especially those with biases and who would take this as attacking their favourite members. Already there are extreme reactions to this episode. I’ve seen fans of certain members attributing motives on the others which are assumptions based on maybe their own understanding and take on the world. This is dangerous because it may lead to making unfair and incorrect judgments on the boys which many will assume to be correct - and the boys themselves will not be able to even address or validate. This is what I am concerned about. I am not too concerned about the boys themselves - only because they are still going through group norming phases, and if their focus doesn’t waver from their goal (especially as 1Z) and they find time to talk to each other, they will be fine. Lastly, I love that Pablo mentioned black and white and grey. We all mature at different rates and we have emotional stages we need to complete and go through to get to the next one. These boys are having to learn as they go - and they are doing well because they are going it together. Their environment is healthy enough and safe enough in which they can experiment and test their feelings.
Being bisaya myself, I hope they will understand that when we joke, it sounds different translated in Tagalog.. 😅..our Tagalog and our accent even sound aggressive. We get that a lot and maybe only cebuano speaking/bisaya can relate to that..love love Kenken ❤ and Pablo is awesome! and I love your RVs Hurraira!
I agree, my husband is Bisaya and he says a lot of tagalog words aggressively and unintentionally. They must consider Ken is not fluent in Tagalog and he really has the tendency to say words differently.
I also love bisaya as straight forward and fun to talk with i dont mind their aggressive words bcoz i understand that its hard for them to say the right word in tagalog
True, hirap no?? Kung sasabihin ko yung words sa tagalog mag tatranslate muna sa isip ko😅😅😅 tas kung magtatagalog na ko na cricringe ako sa sarili ko😂😂
Yes they have a lot to say to Ken. But what I like about what Pablo said with all the negative aspects of Ken he also point out his positive side and the way he said it as black and white that is a perfect example. And I know for sure Ken respect.all their complaints as they are all true. But the fact that the group validates that Ken has improved since then he still has a lot to learn. What you said about Pablo and Josh are true being the oldest they already reach a certain wisdom to guide the group. Ken is such a wild card and he knows that he also need his brothers and love them as much. They may all have different personalities but somehow they found that common ground that made it work for them. Since they are particular to their birthday personality, I check their numerology they all fit together.
I was like Ken before, I am having trouble sleeping, I lost interest in some of the things that I like to do, I have a very short attention span and cannot really focus for long periods of time. Like Ken I have bad anxiety and it turns out I got diagnosed with minor depression. I pray that these boys, especially Ken who openly admitted having anxiety and cannot sleep well will seek professional help. Especially they are in an industry that is consistently criticizing their actions and their overall personality. The funny thing is whenever I have depressive episodes I turn to Ken or FELIP's song CRIMINAL and it soothes me. And I think he did made this song for us. Anyway, the bashing for Ken on tiktok and twitter was getting out of hand after this podcast episode. I pray and hope that Ken is surrounded by people who genuinely cares for him (aside from other sb19 members of course) and will help him in his journey as an artist. Thank you, Hurraira for your opinion on this.
I have not seen any comments about Ken being bashed, only replies implying that they saw such comments and that they are just defending Ken, and some of these comments are vile attacks against the other members 🙄 It is a small group of people, but they are riling up the fandom and creating a rift between the houses.
@@chiapabs Unfortunately, there are a lot of hate posts against Ken like "he's lazy" or "he has a big ego" or "he needs to be removed from the group". But if you haven't seen them then I guess that's good because it's just a lot of toxicity and negativity. But what I hate is the OT1s blaming the other 4 for this podcast and making absurd theories that the other members trying to make him look bad.
Based on what I have seen so far about SB19, I think the one whose career in the music and showbiz scene will stay the longest is Stell - because he is the total package. He’s got the personality, wit, humour, and tenacity to make it in the industry. Then followed by Pablo who may venture into becoming a successful producer. The rest remains to be seen. 🙏
Unfortunately some already take it out of context about their bias most especially about Ken. They think that it was attack on him by the other 4 mem. Most of them are just K/F stan because they are so closed minded for the other mem. I'm glad that many A'tin still get the whole context of this podcast. As a their supporter, we only want the best for them and this podcast will be an eye-opener not only for SB19 but also for A'tin.
Yes. I think the main purpose of the podcast is for the fans to see that these boys are only humans. And they are 5 different persons with flaws and strengths with one purpose: to be artists and share their gifts to others.
So true, kya nga podcast ang title. Dapat wala itinatago. As I've said ganyan din ako noon. Mahilig kasi ako noon manood ng sports kya kahit gabing gabi na nanonood pa rin ako ng basketball both nba and pba kya hayon nagkaroon tuloy ako ng sleeping disorders. Bka ksi dahil sa panonood ng anime kya nagkaroon ng sleeping disorder si Ken. Disiplina tlaga ang kailangan para din sa kalusugan niya. Ang galing pa nman ni Ken, sayang kung mapabayaan nia ang kalusugan.
It's so weird to have this level of inside information from an artist group and try to see how they react to feedback and givefeedback and show leadership. Not trying to shade anyone, we are all imperfect humans and they are not exceptions. We are all growing. Also your commentaries are very well put Hurraira, this is a unique piece of reaction video because of intimacy of the material being reacted to but you did a great job breaking it down.
OA'TIN are already attacking Ken after this episode. Some are also attacking the 4 because they feel Ken was put on the spotlight. Gosh! For me it was a healthy discussion of them, they need it to grow. Ilove how Pablo closed the convo.
Ang dami talagang OA sa A'TIN. Kaya nagleave nalang ako sa official group, sakit sa ulo. Pati yang mga OT1 na yan jusko di nauubusan ng issue sa buhay. Sisiw naman ako pero wala naman akong nakitang negative dito. Pag mahal mo SB19 di ka gagawa ng ikadi-divide nila. But I get it, not everyone has the capacity to have an open mind. Marami talagang utak ewan so I chose to just detach. Di ko keri mga mindset. I'll just support SB19 sa gedli gedli. 😬
I wanna see stell’s tantrums more than anything 😭😭😭 I can just imagine the sass. And Filipinos are big gossipers, we even have a name for middle aged mom gossipers of the neighborhoods “marites”. I can’t belive justin is a marites 😭aahaha ❤
It really takes the maturity to understand this episode. Everyone from the fandom explodes into different pov's. And as a mediator, which mbti told me what i am lol, i tried to lighten the mood of everyone, atleast in the groups that i usually engage into, because everyone has something to say and not everyone jived well. 😅 I hope everyone will learn from this episode, how these 5 individualities give and take opinions towards each other. No one is above right and no one is below wrong. We are humans being shaped based on the environment that we're living and humans are created to evolve, and change is always constant. I am beyond grateful to these boys for allowing us to enter into this more sensitive world, they widen my perspective more about human beings and personalities, esp to their kind of environment. I envy their dynamics, because we do not have that in my circle. 😐 I always challenge myself to understand different types of personalities because i know it will help me to be more understanding and not to be judgmental to anybody, and to be more appreciative.
Oh gosh 100%, I'm always here to love real ppl (despite me constantly saying he is unreal 😂). I'm super proud of the person he is today, Ken's come a very long way and there is still further to go 🥰 supporting all the way!
Atleast they know each other well ..Before I don’t care their group but they got my attention because of their viral “ Ginto”. Now I started listening their music and also to know their individual talents..I’m proud of them..Keep up the great work SB19 ..👍Thanks for sharing their stories…🙏🏻🥰🔥
I really like the way you describe Ken because this topic about Ken, can put him in a bad light for people who will not see the different aspects Of Ken's personality. I don't know Ken but your description about him fits somehow😊
Ken work ethics need to change.Not answering in GC,late and sleeping in a meeting.Accept his flaws??? Yesss!!! But that kind of work ethics is a behavior,being irresponsible, and that needs to change.It's for him to succeed and last in his career.And you also cannot making excuses about your sleeping problem for being late or sleeping in a meeting.Surely your teacher or boss will not accept that as an excuse.They will drop you out or fire you if you keep doing that.And I know he will change.It's for his betterment as a person.
If he is able to make beautiful music and has his own clothing line he can bring that to sb19 too. As Pablo said ken is black and white he just really need to bring a lil gray so he can also focus on what is needed of him in the group.
I can relate to this. I'm always late because I tend to get anxious when people approach me to get coffee or breakfast then have small talks in the pantry. Being late though will not get you a promotion even when you work hard. It took time for me to adjust even to get earlier even for a few minutes. And I cant directly tell it to my coworkers that I dont want to go with them and not offend them. But I as grew older, I'm able to adjust to things. Ken is still quite young and have a lot of growing up to do. Just hope that the 4 will be with him to steer him in the right direction as his brothers.
This was actually my favorite among the podcasts. Only narrow-minded people will create division. The time this went out, I found it really funny and raw and I saw how they really love each other. It's true that Ken had a lot to improve in his work ethic. I am a sisiw but I'm not stupid like the others. This was very constructive so OA sisiws were like DUH. LOL. I'm glad I'm not hanging out in X.
Ken and I are the same.. i dont like meetings but I listen. People might think i am not attentive because i draw on my notebooks and i look bored. But I know every detail of the meeting.
Exactly, we all process things differently, and everyone should be mindful of that. He didn't just pluck COM•PLEX out of thin air, he applied everything that he has been actively learning since becoming a member of SB19. That album, the attention to detail, the understanding of his own voice and presence. The proof is in the pudding 😍🔥
I agree that the Social Media is a Beast Especially now that people are mad and are fighting on X. Some Defending Ken and some Ken haters took it as an ammunition against him. Its out of control.
And as usual, your observations and insights are on point. We have the same wish that A'Tin won't misconstrue this or take it out of context but unfortunately, that's exactly what happened. Thus, the need for the disclaimer to be added. On a side note, I just love how Ken has finally verbalized how proud he is of Stell, and he said it twice. Stell said he knows. And when Stell said he was being bashed, Ken asked him if he would like for him to post asking the bashers for a fistfight. Hahahahaha. And also, Stell didn't say much about what he doesn't like about Ken, and vice versa. Ken said he'll find something and tell Stell about it personally.
They broke the norm again of hiding everything behind the lights! Media will soon or later report issues about celebrities and sometimes make it more uglier than it seemed, so why wait for that to happen? This is them saying: "Here we are, this is us, we also have issues, we are not perfect, we will try and improve." Exposing themselves is a way to force them too to improve or else they'd just get cancelled. This also teaches the fandom how to take feedback. Specially those fans that attacks everyone in the comment section feeling it's okay to disrespect someone else's opinion cause they're defending their biases 🙄 As long as people say it in a nice way that's not insulting or disrespecting SB19, then all feedbacks should be welcome. How could the group improve if every comment will just be balloons, flowers, and candy? Good thing SB19 showed everyone this is how you get feedback. Listen to the context, explain if you like but not in an offensive way, and then take action to improve on the issue. Salute! By the way, really impressed with Pablo's thoughts. I admire him more and more! 🎖️Adding this to his latest game stream 😂🦍🐺🐇
It's hard to combine 5 geniuses with competitive and assertive personalities. So hats off to them - how they managed to stay together for 7 years and achieve so much in a short period of time.
The only people who have a hard time taking the flaws of their bias'es is the one who already put their bias to the pedestal they see their bias as a perfect human being so when they hear this flaws about them they cannot accept it
I really hope people especially Ken bias doesn’t take it as an attack to Ken. As Pablo said they won’t be working with the same staff and if they ever do a solo career it’s best to have a good professional etiquette because Ken might be very talented and have so many fans but other clients probably don’t wanna work with him because of his work etiquette. It’s for their improvement they have done so many open forums before now it’s very open as they are brave to share it with us
Kaso mo they (toxic f stans) took it really hard and even said harsh words to other members. Their minds are so closed, they couldn't see the benefit it could bring to Ken's future endeavors. Other members are just concerned about him that's why they want him to improve the wrong ways. It's for his own good.
But other fans of him are tolerating and praising his bad etiquette, saying that it's okay to be late at least Ken has talents to offer. And that is very alarming to have a fan like that. If you really love your bias you should not tolerate his bad habits, you should encourage him to do better next time and try to address if there is something going on with his life or his health. But these fans are hypocrites, they are not concerned about what is really happening with Ken behind cameras, what they are doing is attacking the people who are close to him. 😢
I read the post of one fan who has ADHD said that the actions of Ken are very similar to his. S/he was not saying that Ken has ADHD but s/he said it was much better for Ken to seek for a professional help. And yes, same like you, many of us are worried about his health, it’s been years he’s like this. He needs to cure his insomnia. It is not good for his health.
💙😍💙 Great reaction! I love them equally! But they're NOT talking about the 13hr mtg. They're talking about all their impt. meetings through the years or their recent ones and all their impt Group Chats. I understand how Pablo feels being a leader & a perfectionist. His actions are commendable as he tries to understand every member of the group. He treats them as family & ONLY FRIENDS. He even wants to room with Stell coz he lives by himself. With Ken, they've been patient with him & everyone's giving him a lot of excuses and all of them tried to understand him esp when Pablo said that he had his hopes crushed about the song Ken is supposedly wrote for the group but kept if for himself. If Ken can do a solo album, shows and do it differently on his own then he should also give the same energy to the group. I don't want to think about them splitting up and I know that Pablo will take it the worst coz the group became his life. I really hope Ken won't be like Zayn who got out of ID coz he likes to produce his own songs and ultimately broke up the band. It will be sad coz all of them are impt member of the group. I love them together as a group. I hope none of them listen to the outside noise! God Bless them all! ❤
Interesting that Ken is so eager to work on promoting his own work, but fails to engage with SB19 or even read his group’s group chat. That’s why I never warmed up to him, despite his talent. He seemed to have forgotten that SB19 is still his bread and butter.
@@rowmon7578 he knows it is his bread and butter and the group knows he is an integral part of sb19. I think because they had a lot to say and it is in the end of the podcast it is what we zoomed in but I think if you really listen to the little things Ken says he has a lot of love for the boys for the way he said to Pablo when he said he has no friends that he has them and they have no choice they are a family and for the way he hype and gives love to Stell. I think as Pablo said everyone need improvement and that everyone has a role to fulfill . Sure they want Ken to be attentive, on time etc but I think his shortcomings are not deal breaker. I think they mentioned that his place in sb19 is cemented and they have chosen to focus on his positive aspects but thev were giving him advice for his own good in general when it pertains to life outside sb19. Also they regularly get seen by doctors for their health and Ken might really have some health issues affecting him in many ways. I think we just need to chill the boys know what they are doing
I love them even more after this. It is heavy but also a good way to see them as real people who are not two dimensional characters. Excited for the next one!
My hope is the same as yours Hurraira...that Ep 3 would be lighter, Social media is such a beast. As a ken bias, i am of mixed emotions about ep 2. Honestly, I do not like it. Why? Bcoz it gives a venue for bashers to ruin him the more. Same as you, if your brain is gonna explode,..my heart is heavy and crying.
It is heavy indeed... These boys are precious and we are so lucky that they share these things with us. I hope everyone sees this podcast the way @Hurrairajamal sees it ❤
Thank you Hurraira! ♥️ Your my fave SB19 reactor along with GidkidDad. You explained and said it very well and very clear. 🙏🏼 Rooting for our boys mahalima! 🇵🇭
For me i think what happen the zone stays in the zone. Because it gave chaotic reactions and made some of the group members in bad situations even though it's true. Sana sila sila na lang. Parang nasa botage yong image ng iba. Kailangan bilang group kayo protect each. Podcast is not necessary para sa akin kung makasisira naman. I love Sb19 very much. At yong member na dapat ayusin ang mali ay seek help kung kailangan at baguhin ang dapat baguhin. Ikaw lang ang may alam kung ano yon. SB19 WORK TOGETHER AS TEAM AND DON'T BE STUBBORN. YOU SIGNED UP FOR IT SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. GOD BLESS EVERYONE. I WILL PRAY FOR YOUR SUCCESS ON EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO...I HAVE MY BIAS AND I LOVE AND ADMIRED HIM SO MUCH REGARDLESS OF HIS FLAWS❤❤❤TAKE CARE❤❤❤
fans projected certain images on them. it's not their fault. and part of working as a team is accountability and responsibility. besides, everyone of them had something to say about everybody else. they weren't angry about their faults being discussed, so why should any fans be?
Your voice sounds so calm 😊 i feel like i can meditate just listening to u speak. Lol. Anyway, i love your comments. I wish everyone is as understanding as u are. The group received a backlash after the release of this episode. There were people bashing the 4 because they felt that Ken was being attacked. And there were people who bashed Ken and voiced their disappointment in him. I even saw comments saying they are no longer a fan of Ken after listening to the podcast. Some people are just so immature. I commend SB19 for being open-minded and brave about sharing their flaws. No body is perfect and I’m sure many of us can relate to their imperfections. ❤
The summary of all these so far is that they haven't really worked corporate (lots of teamwork & responsibility lessons to be picked up) or some of them haven't really finished their bachelor's degrees (units in professional ethics usually required in the last year of most degrees in the Philippines) so they have utter lack of experience in those regards.
This podcast ay para sa mga may malawak ang pang unawa,pero at the same time na feed ang mga basher Kung ano ititira nila sa bawat member especially kay ken.
I was wondering and waiting if you'll going to react to this.. In all honesty, it was heartbreaking yesterday, after listening to this episode, like what you've said, it feels heavy.. and I want to thank you for reacting and assuring everyone, especially Ken bias.
I love you Hurraira! I got emotional when I watched this RV. I pray everyone gets to see your take on this podcast. I do really hope majority of the listeners see this in the same perspective that you did, and not make this as an ammunition to pull any one of them down, especially Ken. I may be subjective because he is my bias, and I know Ken will never consider what happened as an affront from his brothers (he loves his brothers so much), but this is something that could backfire esp when people who haven't known them long yet and are not privvy to their dynamics. Also, many times Bisaya people tend to be quite vulgar and loud in words but that doesn't always mean we are angry. Ha ha. I agree with you in everything that you said here. I just wish that social media does not twist these boys' honest OPINIONS and drag somebody down. These are their OPINIONS and should not be pinned as the truth already about any one of them. Every one is built different and any one trait does not make a whole person. There's so much more than what we just see in the surface.
I am sure thev are aware sharing this that they can’t please everyone and that it might backfire in the sense that the NeGas will come out . But I think they are strong enough that they will not let anyone outside their circle will thou what they have worked so hard to build
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Josh shows a lot of maturity.
Every time nagsasalita si pablo marami akong napupulot na aral. Pablo is like a parent kapag nagsesermon sa dulo may pangaral at at iniexplain nya kung bakit ganun sinaaabi nya. Sya yung taong hindi nakikipagsapawan sa member ang tanging iniisip mya yung ikakabuti ng lahat. Haay naku pau mas lalo lang kitang nagugustuhan. Ayaw kong isipin na someday magakakarion kayo ng kanya kanyang pamilya at career. Sana forever nalang kayong Sb19. We love you mahalaima.💙💙💙
This is what they mean by their tag line...."GET IN THE ZONE..BREAK THE NORM"..
As someone who has the same personality as Ken, i can agree that he needed to hear those words and me too.
Meetings really bore me a lot, and chat especially group chat with hundreds of conversation not directly for me is really difficult to have interest. We are the kind of people that if we like what we do we will pour more than a hundred percent of effort but if we're not interested, we are barely there
Everything they said has a point.😘👌
I can relate so much with Pablo being Virgo like himself 😊
SB19 shows WHAT TRUE BROTHERHOOD IS.. nobody here is put in a bad light..their brotherhood is so deep that is why they can do this to each other...be frank and honest to each other...A DEEP RESPECT FOR THE BOYS..
We agree. Hurraira you can be great LIFE COACH. Thank you Hurraira.❤😊❤
this is what makes SB19 unique, they're real REAL. and they even had the courage to share it with the fans! I agree, I was laughing at the first half of the podcast then it got intense at the end... but you know what, the fact that they can be upfront and honest with each other just shows that their bond as groupmates or brothers is solid/real.
Objective + understanding + acceptance is the key to a genuine relationship & that's what SB19 convey in this episode. With their working environment they should surround themselves with people & fans/fandom that has traits like this too. Their humility & genuine brotherhood is really admirable. Spread LOVE, spread SB19's MUSIC. 💙
love u pablo ❤❤❤😊😊😊
When this podcast first aired, the Twitterverse exploded. It really divided A'Tin and the arguments went to a different level. Some said that Ken was thrown into the lion's den and that the other members ganged up on him.
I just can't comprehend why the fandom never thought all of them, especially Ken, agreed to this. They knew what's discussed in this, they knew what they need to face how much it's gonna hurt or how it's gonna be displeasing to some people. Ken is my bias but he needs to hear those things for his own good. True, they can discuss this things privately, as I am sure they have done so hundreds of times in their huddles, but they chose to do this publicly for transparency. I have said this before, these boys have no filter when it comes to showing their true feelings.
And true, Stell have tantrums. I remember there was one day of activities. He was wearing the same top when they did the taping for the Golden Hour Remix, the Wish Bus live performance and an interview for a Canadian show. He was not really in a good mood that it's very obvious during the interview. Ken was trying to coax him out of it but he's really not in the mood. And it was his birthday.
Besides, they made this podcast during their Pagtatag world tour a couple of months ago. I am sure whatever differences they had during those times have already been ironed out.
To control the arguments that have already gotten out of hand and out of context, the management added a disclaimer for this podcast and released it to all of their socmed platforms.
You are absolutely correct. This is between THEM, and only them and we should never insert ourselves in it. They were generous enough to share this conversation with us in the hopes that viewers will learn lessons from it and grow from it. Unfortunately, some of a certain member's solo stans are already attacking the other 4 members. I sometimes wonder, did they watch the same podcast I watched?
I totally agree with Hurraira. The title of this Episode 2 is" Towards Each Other". It's about "them" .
7 years of being together! somehow its like they have been married and have gone through so much but have chosen to stick together and try to understand each other's flaws.....so much to learn from these very successful young men! I wish to watch your live concert someday....a 55 year old fan, mother of two grown up boys :)
Ohhh you really have to watch them perform live because they are unbelievable performers. I’m a 60 yr old jazz lover and has never loved and supported any PPOP until i have known SB19. I enjoyed attending their concert, it’s a concert of a lifetime! One of the best concerts i have ever experienced!
I love watching sb19 clips with you. The thing is, they kinda grew up before my eyes, from the boys of those earlier years to the men they are today. As a mom of grown up kids, these conversations are nothing but normal as they explore thier world together. They are as different as night and day but magical together! Let us enjoy them moment by moment bec time goes by so fast.
I like Ken even more after this episode. He knows his weaknesses, he agreed to whatever they said about him too. When it was his turn to say what he didn’t like about them, he had nothing to say, not because they are perfect, but like Pablo said, he sees things black and white, either he like you and accept you 100% or not. He did say in one of his interviews that he love his brothers and he will die an SB19 member. I’m not saying the other members are not as accepting, but they see the grey areas more than him. This is also why in episode 1 when they were talking about cutting ties, I feel like like he maintained all his relationships and didn’t have to cut ties with anyone.
I hope they talk about what they like most about each other next episode to lighten the mood 😔
I also salute Justin for staying calm kht usapang negative Ang discussion.but over all we love you all
Love your take on this, Hurraira. I agree. 💙 People are different, some more than others. And this is why talking about things like this is important, so they'd understand and make adjustments to make things work.
As a Ken stan, I know he's very different and very artistic and maybe a genius even. Hopefully, he can consider seeing a professional to figure out his sleeping issues 🥺 and also diagnose maybe if he has ADHD? So the people around him can adjust during meetings and all of that.
Open communication is a key for all relationships to flourish and i have high hopes that thiers would go a long way..now oh ken oh ken, he is such a complicated guy, but one could wonder why he is stl loved by many despite of his flaws? Members, staffs and fans alike? He is a puzzle and a loveable one at that! The journey is not in solving the puzzle but seeing him navigate his moments in his own pace. I love them all!
I can relate to Ken, most of the time,after work i do not want to hang out with people im already working with everyday of my life. Afterwork i just want to stay at home and do my thing like. Its ME time. I need to preserve my energy alone.
Ken is working hard for a future career. You are right. When you’re in a group you also need to channel your energy the way you’re doing for yourself. There are rules to follow in a group to make it stronger and achieve success. They will learn more and become wiser as they age. 😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤
I hope you do not think lowly of Justin because of the “gossips” he knows. He hears them and at times shares them with his SB 19 brothers. But he is not the one that makes or the source of the gossips.
Filipinos gossip a lot and you hear them passively when you’re salons, dentist and skin clinics.
I do hope you see the positive in Justin. He is a nice boy.
For me. They have been together for 7 years. They know each other best. I really appreciate thier honesty. We are but humans, we have flaws.That is when love comes in, you can see beyond the imperfections.Some people are close minded about this things. High respect to this group.❤
Your beautiful Hurraira,
Thank you for loving our sb19
Both Josh and Ken have sleeping disorders. Josh can sleep anywhere. In the Philippines, we have this saying, "Masandal lang, tulog" (Just leaned, and immediately fall asleep). And he snores big time. Hahahahaha. Ken, on the other hand, have anxiety as he admitted during one of his EP promotional performance. That always causes him not to get sleep, and when he does, it's already morning. Also, that's when he said he is very productive in writing songs.
When Ken was asked what was his favorite part on being on tour, he said staying in his hotel room and doing the laundry. He missed out so much on seeing the wonderful places. He even asked Stell to buy food for him as he really doesn't want to go out.
That's why I can't wait for their ShowBreak episodes as those are the rare times that they are together aside from their performances.
Well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news (in case you haven't read about it on X) that it has been chaotic there because of the uproar from OT1 Ken/Felip stans. Can't say I blame them because they have the right to feel a certain way. I agree that the podcast was a bit heavy in the part that Ken was involved (particularly with what Josh had to say). What I can't accept was the accusation that the podcast was meant to sabotage him or set him up for attack because I felt the podcast was shared out of trust for us fans that we will never judge them. It was a given that he agreed to everything that was recorded, that's why we were able to watch episode 2. Why did I say so? Stell's feedback to Josh was edited out so it must be that Josh didn't like that part so it was cut. Ken could have done the same thing and could have requested to edit out anything in particular, but everything said about him was there. Now Josh (because of the way he connects his "preaching" on a more personal level and Justin (for the long list) have been getting the hate from OT1 Ken/Felip stans. But out of all of this, I will always be a Stell stan and I was most affected when he shared that he got bashed. We all know about it but I just didn't expect he'd speak out and that says a lot of how affected he was because of it that my heart bleeds for him. He was just being himself and knows that if he won't do it, who will? You knew what happened in that Parcinq interview, the most awkward interview of all. And yes, I commented before that Stell usually is the one who understands questions in interviews because he's so attentive and he'll look you straight into your eyes. Perhaps, my favorite part is when Pablo told Stell that he's the LIGHTEST in the group and that he envies his lifestyle, perhaps it's him being the least stressed out in all situations, like you just want to be around him all the time and be happy. Literally the sunshine of the group!
This episode prove that they are Family not just as a group
Sharing their dislikes to each other it doesnt mean that they dont love,care each other.....as they've always said NOBODYS PERFECT although they say it on PUBLIC but their RESPECT to each other grow more and more ...SB19 will be sad if people will felt sad for this episode...next episode for sure it will be the opposite for this episode...LIKES TO EACH OTHER EPISODE 3 who knows❤
Loving this 5 BOYS its an honored because they brought HAPPINESS to all people.....
Everyone has a flaws not only to them....LETS FOCUS THE FUTURE OF SB19❤
I hope Stell will not be affected by the bashings...Stell shd only be conscious of what IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN HIS LIFE SAY..STELL is very very popular now and many people are getting to know abt SB19 because of Stell...HE IS LOVED BY MILLIONS..
The fake vs real point was more about Jah and not Ken. Jah raised it to make a point since Ken would joke about Jah being fake when he's still trying to be nice despite of whatever he's feeling or going through. So Jah and Pablo made a really good point about how some people will say you are not showing your true nature when you "act nice". But for Jah in particular, he still strives to be nice or do good because he believes it's the right thing to do but it doesn't mean he's pretentious, that's just how he really is
Yes. Justin was I think hurt whenever Ken said that Justin was being fake when he was being nice/ kind. Especially when Justin made mistakes, he felt Ken was invalidating the good things he did.
Nowadays, people think being a bad boy is being real. Being a goody two shoes is being boring and bland.
And being an obedient son makes you spineless.
I hope my son grows up to be a kind hearted person. Even if others think he is boring.
Justin is not "fake" and it's good that he spoke up about it. He is yet to learn to be more expressive with his feelings without fear of judgement or criticism. He probably avoids confrontation, prefers a diplomatic tone & words. My college bestfriend was like that but now people thinks she is assertive & a "real" leader vs her "shy & nice" persona before.
Very true
Yes I felt that Jah is kinda hurt whenever Ken is saying "Justin is fake" even if it's meant to be a joke. Justin's concern is that, many would easily believe negative stuff that's being said even if it's just a joke rather than possitive stuff even if it's true.
True😊 Jah for me is more mature in thinking though he is the youngest. By the way my bias is Pablo cuz he is a good leader however as a whole I love SB19 cuz this group is my happy pill(stress reliever) hence I hope ATIN with biases should accept the imperfections of their bias and should not take it against the other who divulge the other member's imperfections cuz it's our human nature to be imperfect. Ok..love love lng😊❤❤❤
We all have flaws...who doesn't?😀 Love them even more❤ KEN💕🐤🐤🐤
Only close-minded and immature people will view this podcast as negative and attack certain indivual.. No bullying intended!!! Five grown up men talking about sensitive stuff, assessing their relationship and finding solution to fix disagreements and misunderstandings.. They need this as they are self-managing theirselves and it's a real business so they should be on the same page when it comes to work ethic.. They have healthy relationship with each other and it's beautiful to watch.. They wouldn't be sharing this in public if one of them is against this..
It's hard to be in a group where all members have different personalities and where they come from..
But u cant control the close minded as u say. And even the title is atin atin lang. May mga tao parin sa pagilid na makapanuod at makakita at may masisira at masisira
Now that I heard it for a second time. It doesn't feel hard anymore compare to the first time hearing it. I get to heard it more collectively now. This podcast really a celebration of their diversity, their opinions to each other, the constrast of their personalities, even with how they communicate their thoughts and the culture and upbringing that they have.
After this, I am so glad to see the apparent changes in Ken. Did you notice?
He came back from his solo events in Singapore fully charged.
During their Pop Campus Tour, he can be seen talking during the introduction.
In their KZ Tandingan guesting, it's as if It was Felip who was performing and not Ken
In Watson's Playlist concert, he was really into their performances, especially during Liham, where he can be seen really feeling the song.
Even during their latest live, even when he's not feeling well, he was there participating even if it's just reading his spiels.
And lastly, during the Pepsi Pulse event, he was at the forefront of the group. He was still not feeling well, have coughs but he gamely went on with the perfornance. Even during their short meet the press, he was a bit talkative.
So, something great really resulted from this podcast. But still, we can't expect him to be a totally changed man as he is also an introvert and suffering from anxiety attacks every now and then.
Nice observation Po.
Yes I agree kaps.kens changed a lot today.
Ken and my son are capricorn. Same bday. My son has autism. I did not say Ken is but he is special. He gets things easily in just one click. Attention span is really short and got easily bored that is because he knew what will be the result. He knew if it will work or not. Sometimes his reaction is different from what he truly feels. I love them all. They are authentic and not scared that maybe half will leave the fandom. Because at the end of the day, they knew they have each other. They are brothers!!! Hugs to our boys!!!
One fan even mentioned ADHD...one even suggested a professional help or therapy referring to his sleep disorder...But to me, Ken is Ken, he has his own way of expressing himself which others often misunderstood. He is blessed to have these boys and other people who are always with him, support and love him no matter what.
Ken told before that he has anxiety and sleeping disorder..thst's why some fans of him was feel sad for what saying of his other companions for him..i sallute to PABLO for being a good leader...he still understand ken and learned to accept his imperfection.. a big hug for them..and i still stan for KEN/FELIP.. ❤❤❤
@@AnnGee-hs6ef As an insomniac and experiences anxieties myself I relate to Ken, mahirap talaga if wlang tulog it affects your daily life. I hope the boys will advice Ken to consult a sleeping dsorder specialist/doctor. Parang di sila naninawala kay Ken when he said malala na yung sleeping probs sya wla syang tulog. Dun ako na sad sana they told him on air to seek a doctor or do yoga for meditation whatver. Kasi isa yun sa reasons tlga why Ken is always late, wlang energy o gana sa mga activites nla or wla sya sa focus. I commend him din kasi he didnt not say too much sa mga negatives ng co members nya he chose to say it directly to the person. I really pray Ken will take care of his health wag nya ibalewala kasi mahirap tlga magkasakit, ako nattakot ako bka mag ka brain eneurysm ako sa wlang tulog and stress kaya i really took care of myself na. I hope Ken will do too. 🫶🏼 Im rooting for these boys i pray they will be together as sb19 for 10years or more making music ♥️ proud of you guys! God speed! 🇵🇭♥️
Hi Hurraira! I love how you love SB19. Thanks for your support to the Mahalima!
Love their rawness and messiness. Idols are humans. And I hope their fans be acceptable of their flaws.
I was sooo waiting for your take. Honestly, it was a hard watch for me on the first pass. And I agree, I was afraid things would be taken out of context-and they were.
I love Josh’s calm support and explanation of stuff. And true, Pablo can get a little too hyped with whatever he’s talking about but glad that he often catches himself and tones it down and tries to make it more digestible.
I think Stell is just funny overall. He’s everyone’s friend that’s for sure. Although, I wish he’d taken the comment about the van seating better instead of saying he’ll just ride his own vehicle. I hope he was also kidding about that. Now I understand why in all the old clips the guys just described Justin as a good kid, it’s because he just is. I enjoyed them making up bad stuff to say about him. Now, Ken. Oh, Ken. Why is it that even when he’s not everyone’s bias, he’s everyone’s baby? I don’t know if I have a favourite but Ken is just such a loveable creature, one you just want to protect. He has grown quite a bit since working on his own project and I hope he can try harder to bring that back into the group and I hope the rest of the guys make an effort to acknowledge when he does. As for what Justin said, I think it goes back to what Pablo explained-Ken’s more black and white setting-it was something he says as a joke but it obviously still hit Justin deeper than originally meant. It was a good point he raised and good for Ken to learn.
Glad that they can talk to each other honestly and help the other take the sting out when something spicy is said.
Pablo's never late, he's used to some members' being late and understood them because there's just certain circumstances, however, he just hopes that it would be improved, because it doesn't just only affect them but also the people they work with. It could backfire in their future works. He emphasized the importance of work ethics especially being on time, team effort, and discipline. It's all for the best of the group because others, who don't understand them, might frown at working with them, & a whole lot of things especially now that they're not artists but also business entrepreneurs.
Pablo is a leader.. as a model of their group..
Remember they mentioned before that Pablo usually gets there first but also the last person to leave. The mind, attitude & ethic of a real great leader.
agree 100 percent, but I also understand what's happening to Ken cuz I myself also have sleeping problems. With this problem I got sick and was dismiss in my work.
Jah was saying that Ken likes to joke around about him being fake everytime Jah does something good or show kindness, and the joke is actually bothering him. as jah wanted to point out to ken that being kind or showing compassion and sensitivity can also be the real you and not necessarily fake… the fake comment was not directed at ken’s personality but it was about him constantly making a joke at jah calling him fake
Well it also reflects your personality when you call a person fake when in fact that person is kind enough to do good deeds to others. It shows that Ken never supports Jah (as his friend) in doing those kind deeds. He should give him compliments and not always “joke” that Jah is fake especially in front of other people (or camera) who don’t know that it’s only a joke.😕
Thissssss.
I think Justin love gossip is because he koves kearning the story and ideas behind them
Our brave young men, very brave souls indeed to put themselves out there. They are smart and they know that this can be divisive to some. However, for me, it made me love them more. It only shows that they are artists and their talent is what sells, not the “packaged persona” that a lot of personalities share to the public. This reminds fans that they are real people with real issues like everyone else. I love them to bits
Me, I enjoy this podcast, truly they are human, they are not perfect. Ang mga fans nman na nagagalit ay mga short minded yan. Dapat naiintindahan nila ang mga boys, tao yan kya hindi perfect.
Perhaps Ken just need to improve his work ethics, nevertheless the reasons for his tardiness. SB19 is his bread and butter after all.
Actually what Jah's trying to say, Ken always calling him FAKE when he's doing a good deeds. Jah explaining to him that's offensive joke specifically when they're in public or in front of other people that they don't know. He's telling Ken that doing a good deeds even if it's not your personality is not fake but doing it because you know that it's the right thing to do.
Specially **
I love Ken even more after this episode. I can relate to him so much, I also have sleeping probs, introvert, bisdak (Bisayang dako) we are judged as aggressive because the tone of our dialect kaya parang offended tlga pakinggan he is straightforward, and directly wants the goal to get done agad wlang chechebureche Hurraira explained it so well and clearly..i hope the boys will see this reaction. Anywy I hope Ken will consult a doctor and take care of his health bc sleeping problems will affect your daily life. I wished Hurraira mentioned this at the end too. ♥️ anyway lablab Ken! Forever a sisiw! 🐓🇵🇭♥️
Stell has many bashers back then, more that hes regular on tv, on all the members stell has many bashers. But so many fans stand up for him.
Just remember family has an issue sometimes but, it doesn’t mean they don’t love and cares each other. A’tin just a reminder… this is a healthy discussion. I’m glad they get it out what ever in their chest.😊
Love how they don't filter their thoughts. The reason why they are so loved is that they are not afraid to put themselves out there risking showing their not-so perfect sides. They always tell people not to put them in pedestal because they are a work in progress. There is nothing about this conversation that's boring. They are all interested in becoming best versions of themselves. They are very brave risking getting bashed for saying real but not flattering aspects of themselves. Love this podcast of theirs. I'm a lot like Ken. I am perennially late, I can't stand long meetings, I have odd sleeping habits, I randomly reply to text/calls/messages (most times I ignore lol), no sense of time. All their personalities, despite being different are endearing.
I love them even more after these 2 episodes. They are so relatable, when ever they talk or having conversation, we the listeners connect so easily. These 5 are all amazing but who got my most admiration this time is Pablo . Like the other members said, he had changed 360deg. He is very understanding, emotionally intelligent, communicates well, selfless, humble and responsible. He has no egoistic attitude or feeling of entitlement. He truly has the leadership skills. I like Josh here too, his speaking tone is calm even if the topic is heavy, knows how to listen and appreciates feedback. I love that even if this is an open forum that opens their thoughts and feelings towards each other, the chaos, the fun, the jokes and the laughter never cease.
Thank you for explaining ken's issue. Very well said , i love how you react. ❤❤❤ Thanks for your love to our Mahalima❤❤❤
Thank you Hurraira for this deep understanding of the SB19 boys😊😊😊😊
Hoping SB19 will see the best Reaction Ms. Jamal ! Meaningful ❤... Acceptance. Understanding & caring. Love to the boys SB19.💜
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Ken’s first language is Cebuano or Bisaya. It’s hard to express if it’s not your natural language. And plus, our tone is harsh for others. Tagalog speakers think we’re always fighting.
Exactly👍 Same situation i have. I'm surrounded with Tagalog friends. They think I'm harsh or I'm fighting even if i am just only explaining 😅😂😢
I'm not BISAYA. I'm Bicolana.
But thats true... I'm totally agree.
So TRUE! Bisdak here. 🤘🏽
Bisaya po ako and I disagree
@@sally4198 Good for you. You must be well spoken.
I'm grateful that they're even allowing us to see such a vulnerable & honest side to them. Unfortunately some people are definitely taking things out of context but like you said in the beginning we are mere flies on the wall. There to observe & not interject our opinions and/or pit the boys against each other.
Oh, I completely agree. We are merely onlookers. Even the boys' families do not interfere with them, instead silently supporting them and allowing them to thrive on their own while ensuring that they have someone to turn to when things get difficult. I wish all of A'tin was like that to them. I sincerely hope that some of the "hurt" single stans learn soon that internal fandom dispute will have a negative impact on the group rather than helping them or their biases attain greater heights.
Well, the dye is cast. They let this thing out and there will be a fall out in one way or another. A risky decision because some will be disillusioned with their idols.
@@rowmon7578For me, I love them even more cuz they are still human like me😅 and beside eveything in this world is risky. Those who take risk becomes more successful and to be honest is a very positive traits. Mga shortminded lng ang magagalit sa ganitong palabas. Basta ako ang masasabi ko lng SOAR high MAHALIMA, were just behind you supporting😅❤ ano mang negative traits mayroon kayo. Sa mga A'TIN na sumama ang loob dahil lng sa inilabas ang negative traits ng bias nila pakaisipin lng po nio na humans are not perfect. Ok, love love lng. 😊❤❤❤❤
I get Ken. I, too, am like that, especially during long meetings. People may see it as not paying attention, but truth is I pay attention and I could definitely respond accordingly when asked.
I love how rhey could openly talk about what they appreciate and what they wish one would do differently so they can work together better. Love love these boys.
Thanks you for sharing your two cents' worth and for always supporting MAHALIMA. 💙
My best friend and I had a small talk after watching episode 2. We realized that the topic is quite risky since it's not a private conversation and millions of people, who we don't know and might not understand their perspective, can hear it and respond with negative thoughts. It's so raw that even celebrities can't openly discuss it in public. Perhaps all their hardships have made them stronger, and now they focus on what they can give or offer to the people who faithfully listen to them, respect them, and love them.
same sana dnalang ganun ang tema nila para masaya nalang pero tapos na hati ang mga fans talaga pero dyan maiiwasan,personaly opinyon kulang naman base tingin ko,c ken kc ang malakas talaga bukod sa talented talaga at malakas karisma tingin ko mayron selos o inggit ako nakikita dko lang alam ku ng napapansin ng iba tingin kolang naman base sa nakikitako､sana mali ako sana walang ganun love them all
@@Mugi12126 I think they all shines on their own uniqueness, ken maybe cool and talented but as you can see some of the members that he always with is saying that there's something they didn't like about his attitude or personality? Kunti lang naman. We also have that in our own circle of friends. So it's normal. I was saying that they're so real and want each to shine.
@maikovelasco3663 i don't think may inggit o selos kc sabi naman nila na accepted nila si ken at 6 to 7yrs na silang magkakasama. yung mga pinoint out lang sa kanya yung kailangan sa work nila na mag improve for the better. lahat sila may kanya kanya flaws, nobody's perfect talaga. they're all real.
I was wondering some fans wanted Ken to separate from the group and believe Ken is the best. They get to where they are now because of their talents as a group. I understand the sentiment of the other members when it comes to commitment. Based on their conversation, Ken is all out for his solo and so so for the group effort. Like what Pablo said, their group may not be there forever but people will remember you for who you are and your character. If they disband someday, and do individual endeavors, their work ethic will help them succeed because everybody age. Not forever astig, pogi, or move gracefully. All physical attributes- temporary. Hope they learn from each other and continue to cherish their friendship.
@maikovelasco3663 tama personal na opinion mo lang. Di mo pwuedeng sabihin magaling si Ken dahil di pa naglalabas ng Solo si Justin at Stell na kaya lang naman nagkaroon ng Felip Stan kase nga may sarili syang ganap. At mostly sa Stan ng other member buong group ang sinusuport unlike sa Stan ni Felip na walang pakialam sa group at mahilig pang mag down ng ibang member para lang ipakita na mas magaling si Ken. And mind you hindi kainggit inggit yung work ethics nya. Pasalamat sya at brotherhood talaga na na develop nila kaya pinipilit nilang correct si Ken. Kase kung inggit lang sila papabayaan lang nila yan sabay chika sa press instead na diretsong pag usapan para sila mismo ang mag correct. Sana lang wag mong gawing IDOL ang tingin kay Ken. HUMAN sya pumapalpak at alam nya yon at
I'm sure willing mag improve. Another thing hindi nahati ang A'TIN na distinguished sino ang tunay at hindi. Kase kung A'TIN ka dapat MAHALIMA ka kung hindi mo sila gustong 5 F/K Stan ka lang HINDI KA A'TIN. At kung pinag aaway mo sila mas confirm na di ka belong sa fandom. So hindi ka SISIW coz sisiw is a house part of A'TIN. At sana mag improve ka rin sa POV mo gayahin mo amo mo marunong tumanggap ng pagkakamali.
First time to see a group of artists tackle a sensitive topic online - what they don't like about each other. It takes guts to remove the veil of mystery and reveal their flaws to the public - not to mention, allowing another person to do that for them. I'm sure it's not the first time they've heard feedback from each other, but I bet it's still not easy to hear. No one wants to hear about their flaws, but it's necessary. In their line of work, it helps to hear from honest people who would keep them grounded and help improve their character (not just their craft).
Actually I don’t think this is a good idea. Why would they show their laundry in front of the public? They’re just giving ammunition to their bashers😢
They have been together 7 years. In a marriage that’s a lot. Group forming and norming is a process that people in the psych field often focus on.
Whatever negativity we assume about their training in the past, we also need to recognise some good -
1) never being late so they receive their allowance. This may have had fear as motivation as the negative side, but let’s face it, when you are still growing up, you need structures to keep you in check… maturity only happens when the structure disappears and you maintain the good habit you learned even so.
2) huddles - now they seem to have lost that. They said in Ep 1 that when they are together they don’t really talk about serious things anymore.
Someone commented that some of their comments about Josh was cut. In my opinion, this may have been related to staff. Pablo’s comments about reading the room seem to hint at it.
Personally, as a person whose background is counselling and mentoring people, my worry was the fans - especially those with biases and who would take this as attacking their favourite members. Already there are extreme reactions to this episode. I’ve seen fans of certain members attributing motives on the others which are assumptions based on maybe their own understanding and take on the world. This is dangerous because it may lead to making unfair and incorrect judgments on the boys which many will assume to be correct - and the boys themselves will not be able to even address or validate. This is what I am concerned about.
I am not too concerned about the boys themselves - only because they are still going through group norming phases, and if their focus doesn’t waver from their goal (especially as 1Z) and they find time to talk to each other, they will be fine.
Lastly, I love that Pablo mentioned black and white and grey. We all mature at different rates and we have emotional stages we need to complete and go through to get to the next one. These boys are having to learn as they go - and they are doing well because they are going it together. Their environment is healthy enough and safe enough in which they can experiment and test their feelings.
Being bisaya myself, I hope they will understand that when we joke, it sounds different translated in Tagalog.. 😅..our Tagalog and our accent even sound aggressive. We get that a lot and maybe only cebuano speaking/bisaya can relate to that..love love Kenken ❤ and Pablo is awesome! and I love your RVs Hurraira!
Im not a bisaya but i agree
I agree, my husband is Bisaya and he says a lot of tagalog words aggressively and unintentionally. They must consider Ken is not fluent in Tagalog and he really has the tendency to say words differently.
I also love bisaya as straight forward and fun to talk with i dont mind their aggressive words bcoz i understand that its hard for them to say the right word in tagalog
Im tagalog but i understand. I have bisaya friends that's why. 😊
True, hirap no?? Kung sasabihin ko yung words sa tagalog mag tatranslate muna sa isip ko😅😅😅 tas kung magtatagalog na ko na cricringe ako sa sarili ko😂😂
Thank you for your unbiased insights.
Yes they have a lot to say to Ken. But what I like about what Pablo said with all the negative aspects of Ken he also point out his positive side and the way he said it as black and white that is a perfect example. And I know for sure Ken respect.all their complaints as they are all true. But the fact that the group validates that Ken has improved since then he still has a lot to learn.
What you said about Pablo and Josh are true being the oldest they already reach a certain wisdom to guide the group. Ken is such a wild card and he knows that he also need his brothers and love them as much. They may all have different personalities but somehow they found that common ground that made it work for them.
Since they are particular to their birthday personality, I check their numerology they all fit together.
I was like Ken before, I am having trouble sleeping, I lost interest in some of the things that I like to do, I have a very short attention span and cannot really focus for long periods of time. Like Ken I have bad anxiety and it turns out I got diagnosed with minor depression. I pray that these boys, especially Ken who openly admitted having anxiety and cannot sleep well will seek professional help. Especially they are in an industry that is consistently criticizing their actions and their overall personality.
The funny thing is whenever I have depressive episodes I turn to Ken or FELIP's song CRIMINAL and it soothes me. And I think he did made this song for us.
Anyway, the bashing for Ken on tiktok and twitter was getting out of hand after this podcast episode. I pray and hope that Ken is surrounded by people who genuinely cares for him (aside from other sb19 members of course) and will help him in his journey as an artist. Thank you, Hurraira for your opinion on this.
I have not seen any comments about Ken being bashed, only replies implying that they saw such comments and that they are just defending Ken, and some of these comments are vile attacks against the other members 🙄 It is a small group of people, but they are riling up the fandom and creating a rift between the houses.
@@chiapabs Unfortunately, there are a lot of hate posts against Ken like "he's lazy" or "he has a big ego" or "he needs to be removed from the group". But if you haven't seen them then I guess that's good because it's just a lot of toxicity and negativity. But what I hate is the OT1s blaming the other 4 for this podcast and making absurd theories that the other members trying to make him look bad.
Based on what I have seen so far about SB19, I think the one whose career in the music and showbiz scene will stay the longest is Stell - because he is the total package. He’s got the personality, wit, humour, and tenacity to make it in the industry. Then followed by Pablo who may venture into becoming a successful producer. The rest remains to be seen. 🙏
Unfortunately some already take it out of context about their bias most especially about Ken. They think that it was attack on him by the other 4 mem. Most of them are just K/F stan because they are so closed minded for the other mem. I'm glad that many A'tin still get the whole context of this podcast. As a their supporter, we only want the best for them and this podcast will be an eye-opener not only for SB19 but also for A'tin.
Yes. I think the main purpose of the podcast is for the fans to see that these boys are only humans. And they are 5 different persons with flaws and strengths with one purpose: to be artists and share their gifts to others.
So true, kya nga podcast ang title. Dapat wala itinatago. As I've said ganyan din ako noon. Mahilig kasi ako noon manood ng sports kya kahit gabing gabi na nanonood pa rin ako ng basketball both nba and pba kya hayon nagkaroon tuloy ako ng sleeping disorders. Bka ksi dahil sa panonood ng anime kya nagkaroon ng sleeping disorder si Ken. Disiplina tlaga ang kailangan para din sa kalusugan niya. Ang galing pa nman ni Ken, sayang kung mapabayaan nia ang kalusugan.
It's so weird to have this level of inside information from an artist group and try to see how they react to feedback and givefeedback and show leadership. Not trying to shade anyone, we are all imperfect humans and they are not exceptions. We are all growing. Also your commentaries are very well put Hurraira, this is a unique piece of reaction video because of intimacy of the material being reacted to but you did a great job breaking it down.
Hurraira I just want to appreciate you and let you know that you’re so beautiful and well spoken , please stay you and we love you so much
OA'TIN are already attacking Ken after this episode. Some are also attacking the 4 because they feel Ken was put on the spotlight. Gosh! For me it was a healthy discussion of them, they need it to grow. Ilove how Pablo closed the convo.
Ang dami talagang OA sa A'TIN. Kaya nagleave nalang ako sa official group, sakit sa ulo. Pati yang mga OT1 na yan jusko di nauubusan ng issue sa buhay. Sisiw naman ako pero wala naman akong nakitang negative dito. Pag mahal mo SB19 di ka gagawa ng ikadi-divide nila. But I get it, not everyone has the capacity to have an open mind. Marami talagang utak ewan so I chose to just detach. Di ko keri mga mindset. I'll just support SB19 sa gedli gedli. 😬
I wanna see stell’s tantrums more than anything 😭😭😭 I can just imagine the sass. And Filipinos are big gossipers, we even have a name for middle aged mom gossipers of the neighborhoods “marites”. I can’t belive justin is a marites 😭aahaha ❤
Everything you said is spot on.
It really takes the maturity to understand this episode. Everyone from the fandom explodes into different pov's. And as a mediator, which mbti told me what i am lol, i tried to lighten the mood of everyone, atleast in the groups that i usually engage into, because everyone has something to say and not everyone jived well. 😅
I hope everyone will learn from this episode, how these 5 individualities give and take opinions towards each other. No one is above right and no one is below wrong. We are humans being shaped based on the environment that we're living and humans are created to evolve, and change is always constant.
I am beyond grateful to these boys for allowing us to enter into this more sensitive world, they widen my perspective more about human beings and personalities, esp to their kind of environment.
I envy their dynamics, because we do not have that in my circle. 😐
I always challenge myself to understand different types of personalities because i know it will help me to be more understanding and not to be judgmental to anybody, and to be more appreciative.
I love Ken even more despite of his flaws. I'm your forever sisiw Ken no matter what.
Oh gosh 100%, I'm always here to love real ppl (despite me constantly saying he is unreal 😂). I'm super proud of the person he is today, Ken's come a very long way and there is still further to go 🥰 supporting all the way!
I love ken even more too
@@HurrairaJamalthank you. You got me teary-eyed reading this message of yours. 🥹
I will always love Ken i see myself in him😊❤
@@HurrairaJamal i love everything about ken his very talented
Atleast they know each other well ..Before I don’t care their group but they got my attention because of their viral “ Ginto”. Now I started listening their music and also to know their individual talents..I’m proud of them..Keep up the great work SB19 ..👍Thanks for sharing their stories…🙏🏻🥰🔥
I really like the way you describe Ken because this topic about Ken, can put him in a bad light for people who will not see the different aspects Of Ken's personality. I don't know Ken but your description about him fits somehow😊
You're right Hurraira, this episode is heavy and intense 🥹🥺 so what should A'tin do is SHHHHH🤫🤫🤫
Hi Hurraira.. I just really love how your beautiful mind works most especially in conversations like these ❤
Ken work ethics need to change.Not answering in GC,late and sleeping in a meeting.Accept his flaws??? Yesss!!! But that kind of work ethics is a behavior,being irresponsible, and that needs to change.It's for him to succeed and last in his career.And you also cannot making excuses about your sleeping problem for being late or sleeping in a meeting.Surely your teacher or boss will not accept that as an excuse.They will drop you out or fire you if you keep doing that.And I know he will change.It's for his betterment as a person.
If he is able to make beautiful music and has his own clothing line he can bring that to sb19 too. As Pablo said ken is black and white he just really need to bring a lil gray so he can also focus on what is needed of him in the group.
I can relate to this. I'm always late because I tend to get anxious when people approach me to get coffee or breakfast then have small talks in the pantry. Being late though will not get you a promotion even when you work hard. It took time for me to adjust even to get earlier even for a few minutes. And I cant directly tell it to my coworkers that I dont want to go with them and not offend them. But I as grew older, I'm able to adjust to things. Ken is still quite young and have a lot of growing up to do. Just hope that the 4 will be with him to steer him in the right direction as his brothers.
I agree work ethics is very important for a successful career
This was actually my favorite among the podcasts. Only narrow-minded people will create division. The time this went out, I found it really funny and raw and I saw how they really love each other. It's true that Ken had a lot to improve in his work ethic. I am a sisiw but I'm not stupid like the others. This was very constructive so OA sisiws were like DUH. LOL. I'm glad I'm not hanging out in X.
Ken and I are the same.. i dont like meetings but I listen. People might think i am not attentive because i draw on my notebooks and i look bored. But I know every detail of the meeting.
Exactly, we all process things differently, and everyone should be mindful of that. He didn't just pluck COM•PLEX out of thin air, he applied everything that he has been actively learning since becoming a member of SB19. That album, the attention to detail, the understanding of his own voice and presence. The proof is in the pudding 😍🔥
@@HurrairaJamal thank you for agreeing with me. I learned so much from your reaction.
I agree with you with regards to Ken. I hope ATIN will understand all the boys..we love them all.
I agree that the Social Media is a Beast Especially now that people are mad and are fighting on X. Some Defending Ken and some Ken haters took it as an ammunition against him. Its out of control.
And as usual, your observations and insights are on point. We have the same wish that A'Tin won't misconstrue this or take it out of context but unfortunately, that's exactly what happened. Thus, the need for the disclaimer to be added.
On a side note, I just love how Ken has finally verbalized how proud he is of Stell, and he said it twice. Stell said he knows. And when Stell said he was being bashed, Ken asked him if he would like for him to post asking the bashers for a fistfight. Hahahahaha.
And also, Stell didn't say much about what he doesn't like about Ken, and vice versa. Ken said he'll find something and tell Stell about it personally.
They broke the norm again of hiding everything behind the lights! Media will soon or later report issues about celebrities and sometimes make it more uglier than it seemed, so why wait for that to happen? This is them saying: "Here we are, this is us, we also have issues, we are not perfect, we will try and improve." Exposing themselves is a way to force them too to improve or else they'd just get cancelled.
This also teaches the fandom how to take feedback. Specially those fans that attacks everyone in the comment section feeling it's okay to disrespect someone else's opinion cause they're defending their biases 🙄 As long as people say it in a nice way that's not insulting or disrespecting SB19, then all feedbacks should be welcome. How could the group improve if every comment will just be balloons, flowers, and candy? Good thing SB19 showed everyone this is how you get feedback. Listen to the context, explain if you like but not in an offensive way, and then take action to improve on the issue. Salute!
By the way, really impressed with Pablo's thoughts. I admire him more and more! 🎖️Adding this to his latest game stream 😂🦍🐺🐇
It's hard to combine 5 geniuses with competitive and assertive personalities. So hats off to them - how they managed to stay together for 7 years and achieve so much in a short period of time.
The only people who have a hard time taking the flaws of their bias'es is the one who already put their bias to the pedestal they see their bias as a perfect human being so when they hear this flaws about them they cannot accept it
I really hope people especially Ken bias doesn’t take it as an attack to Ken. As Pablo said they won’t be working with the same staff and if they ever do a solo career it’s best to have a good professional etiquette because Ken might be very talented and have so many fans but other clients probably don’t wanna work with him because of his work etiquette. It’s for their improvement they have done so many open forums before now it’s very open as they are brave to share it with us
Tama 💯 percent
Kaso mo they (toxic f stans) took it really hard and even said harsh words to other members. Their minds are so closed, they couldn't see the benefit it could bring to Ken's future endeavors. Other members are just concerned about him that's why they want him to improve the wrong ways. It's for his own good.
But other fans of him are tolerating and praising his bad etiquette, saying that it's okay to be late at least Ken has talents to offer. And that is very alarming to have a fan like that. If you really love your bias you should not tolerate his bad habits, you should encourage him to do better next time and try to address if there is something going on with his life or his health. But these fans are hypocrites, they are not concerned about what is really happening with Ken behind cameras, what they are doing is attacking the people who are close to him. 😢
@@SiriusStell1516 true
It's okay to express what you feel than to keep it by yourself..😊
I read the post of one fan who has ADHD said that the actions of Ken are very similar to his. S/he was not saying that Ken has ADHD but s/he said it was much better for Ken to seek for a professional help.
And yes, same like you, many of us are worried about his health, it’s been years he’s like this. He needs to cure his insomnia. It is not good for his health.
💙😍💙 Great reaction! I love them equally! But they're NOT talking about the 13hr mtg. They're talking about all their impt. meetings through the years or their recent ones and all their impt Group Chats. I understand how Pablo feels being a leader & a perfectionist. His actions are commendable as he tries to understand every member of the group. He treats them as family & ONLY FRIENDS. He even wants to room with Stell coz he lives by himself.
With Ken, they've been patient with him & everyone's giving him a lot of excuses and all of them tried to understand him esp when Pablo said that he had his hopes crushed about the song Ken is supposedly wrote for the group but kept if for himself. If Ken can do a solo album, shows and do it differently on his own then he should also give the same energy to the group.
I don't want to think about them splitting up and I know that Pablo will take it the worst coz the group became his life. I really hope Ken won't be like Zayn who got out of ID coz he likes to produce his own songs and ultimately broke up the band. It will be sad coz all of them are impt member of the group. I love them together as a group. I hope none of them listen to the outside noise! God Bless them all! ❤
I think Ken is different from zayn and sb19 is different from one direction.
Interesting that Ken is so eager to work on promoting his own work, but fails to engage with SB19 or even read his group’s group chat. That’s why I never warmed up to him, despite his talent. He seemed to have forgotten that SB19 is still his bread and butter.
@@rowmon7578 he knows it is his bread and butter and the group knows he is an integral part of sb19. I think because they had a lot to say and it is in the end of the podcast it is what we zoomed in but I think if you really listen to the little things Ken says he has a lot of love for the boys for the way he said to Pablo when he said he has no friends that he has them and they have no choice they are a family and for the way he hype and gives love to Stell. I think as Pablo said everyone need improvement and that everyone has a role to fulfill . Sure they want Ken to be attentive, on time etc but I think his shortcomings are not deal breaker. I think they mentioned that his place in sb19 is cemented and they have chosen to focus on his positive aspects but thev were giving him advice for his own good in general when it pertains to life outside sb19. Also they regularly get seen by doctors for their health and Ken might really have some health issues affecting him in many ways. I think we just need to chill the boys know what they are doing
In short what you see is what you get from ken a real person.
I love them even more after this. It is heavy but also a good way to see them as real people who are not two dimensional characters. Excited for the next one!
My hope is the same as yours Hurraira...that Ep 3 would be lighter, Social media is such a beast. As a ken bias, i am of mixed emotions about ep 2. Honestly, I do not like it. Why? Bcoz it gives a venue for bashers to ruin him the more. Same as you, if your brain is gonna explode,..my heart is heavy and crying.
they are indeed breaking the norms!❤❤❤❤❤
So true and i love and enjoy it, he he he ❤😅😅😅
It is heavy indeed... These boys are precious and we are so lucky that they share these things with us. I hope everyone sees this podcast the way @Hurrairajamal sees it ❤
i’m bisaya - our tone really sounds aggressive. lol that’s why when i hear tagalog people talk i find them super soft lol
Yes yes yess, omg I bet that is a huge part of it. I wonder if the other boys ever considered this.
Thank you Hurraira! ♥️ Your my fave SB19 reactor along with GidkidDad. You explained and said it very well and very clear. 🙏🏼 Rooting for our boys mahalima! 🇵🇭
For me i think what happen the zone stays in the zone. Because it gave chaotic reactions and made some of the group members in bad situations even though it's true. Sana sila sila na lang. Parang nasa botage yong image ng iba. Kailangan bilang group kayo protect each. Podcast is not necessary para sa akin kung makasisira naman. I love Sb19 very much. At yong member na dapat ayusin ang mali ay seek help kung kailangan at baguhin ang dapat baguhin. Ikaw lang ang may alam kung ano yon. SB19 WORK TOGETHER AS TEAM AND DON'T BE STUBBORN. YOU SIGNED UP FOR IT SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. GOD BLESS EVERYONE. I WILL PRAY FOR YOUR SUCCESS ON EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO...I HAVE MY BIAS AND I LOVE AND ADMIRED HIM SO MUCH REGARDLESS OF HIS FLAWS❤❤❤TAKE CARE❤❤❤
fans projected certain images on them. it's not their fault. and part of working as a team is accountability and responsibility. besides, everyone of them had something to say about everybody else. they weren't angry about their faults being discussed, so why should any fans be?
Hi huraira j..😊 i really admire u a lot for always supporting SB19❤...take care❤❤❤
Your voice sounds so calm 😊 i feel like i can meditate just listening to u speak. Lol. Anyway, i love your comments. I wish everyone is as understanding as u are. The group received a backlash after the release of this episode. There were people bashing the 4 because they felt that Ken was being attacked. And there were people who bashed Ken and voiced their disappointment in him. I even saw comments saying they are no longer a fan of Ken after listening to the podcast. Some people are just so immature. I commend SB19 for being open-minded and brave about sharing their flaws. No body is perfect and I’m sure many of us can relate to their imperfections. ❤
The summary of all these so far is that they haven't really worked corporate (lots of teamwork & responsibility lessons to be picked up) or some of them haven't really finished their bachelor's degrees (units in professional ethics usually required in the last year of most degrees in the Philippines) so they have utter lack of experience in those regards.
This podcast ay para sa mga may malawak ang pang unawa,pero at the same time na feed ang mga basher Kung ano ititira nila sa bawat member especially kay ken.
listen to it again with you.
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I was wondering and waiting if you'll going to react to this.. In all honesty, it was heartbreaking yesterday, after listening to this episode, like what you've said, it feels heavy.. and I want to thank you for reacting and assuring everyone, especially Ken bias.
I love you Hurraira! I got emotional when I watched this RV. I pray everyone gets to see your take on this podcast. I do really hope majority of the listeners see this in the same perspective that you did, and not make this as an ammunition to pull any one of them down, especially Ken. I may be subjective because he is my bias, and I know Ken will never consider what happened as an affront from his brothers (he loves his brothers so much), but this is something that could backfire esp when people who haven't known them long yet and are not privvy to their dynamics. Also, many times Bisaya people tend to be quite vulgar and loud in words but that doesn't always mean we are angry. Ha ha. I agree with you in everything that you said here. I just wish that social media does not twist these boys' honest OPINIONS and drag somebody down. These are their OPINIONS and should not be pinned as the truth already about any one of them. Every one is built different and any one trait does not make a whole person. There's so much more than what we just see in the surface.
I am sure thev are aware sharing this that they can’t please everyone and that it might backfire in the sense that the NeGas will come out . But I think they are strong enough that they will not let anyone outside their circle will thou what they have worked so hard to build
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You are my favorite reactor.! 😍