UPDATE: It seems if you join a random lobby (not using a code), the rewards are only given out one time if you fail. You should only be doing this with your friends, don't join random raids and lose on purpose because odds are you wont get the rewards anyway!
th-cam.com/video/Ae4wA3T0gqc/w-d-xo.html Blaines describes it more accurate and has a Discord Group for joining raids, but that group is for herba mistica. And you should use lvl 100 Pokémon that take out larger chunks out of the time bar when dying.
Good job Wolfe finding obscure content to talk about- but listen- I know something else people are barely talking about that I think you should cover since so many people don’t know about it. The outbreak method normally feels like there’s very few mons apart of it whenever you try and reset to get new ones. What ABSOLUTELY nobody has included in their guides for outbreaks (besides one small TH-camr with like 1 k views on his outbreak manipulation video who discovered this) is that even by going to different areas on your map near watch towers, you can spawn in much RARER outbreaks. You can even get an authentic sinistea outbreak, it’s crazy- check serebii if you don’t believe me. Definitely look more into it.
Yes, this is an important point. Throwing the battle in a random host’s lobby is rude and selfish. There are plenty of discord communities you could attempt this with. Wolfe’s included
I just hope this doesn't cause randoms to throw in actual raid attempts... Bc like if you're hosting a raid looking for group you want to win to get rewards, but your helpers get rewards regardless so they could just throw and that would suck...
Does anyone know if the host quits they still get the rewards? Because if they don't if people are throwing your raid you should quit to stop this behaviour in random lobbies
@@naotaka1624 idk why people keep forgetting that half the playerbase are kids first of all, and there are also a lot of people going into a raid for their first couple of times. Just cause you fail the run doesn't mean somebody was INTENTIONALLY griefing you
JSYK You don't need to lose to farm the same raid over and over again, if the host saves before the den (autosave off) and then resets once you beat the raid and are returned to the overworld, the den will still exist. This way you can also tell what rewards you are getting. With the right strats, you can one-shot most bosses (using perserrker or iron hands, for example), which I think is even faster than losing.
I mean yeah, this now makes me less likely to host them, why would I sit there for 5 minutes as you all go make a cup of coffee and I get nothing out of it? seems like a bug that will kill random raids
@@MrDegan2 i am actually so mad right now, I don’t have any friends that play pokemon, the only way for me is random raids Or fricking go to some youtuber’s community to beg for raid partners, which did not work well for me
@@naotaka1624 six star raids are soloable. The best Pokémon being the box legendaries and a spoiler Pokémon with the initials IH. Power level them to 100 with candy, go to the ghost city to buy beneficial mint, EV vitamins, bottle caps, and hyper training in the same town.
Honestly this makes sense now. Last night I tried my first 6 star raid (by joining a random) and we got close but lost, and then I got a call from Jacq where the only response I could choose was "I won!" Thought that was really weird, but it would explain why that happened, the game thought I won. Thanks for clearing up that mystery!
I was thinking something similar when I had items I shouldn't have. I noticed the other day I have a fair bit more Herba Mystica than I should. Like, double the amount of HM. This makes a lot of sense.
@@scathee it does work in randoms, i noticed it myself this morning. Used up all my exp candies, lost in a 5* random raid, still got a few exp candies from it.
Thanks for posting! Yeah would def only really recommend with friends. Want to mention a few things I never dm’ed. Suicide Moves just don’t work at all in raids they won’t let you use them so Recoil Moves and Frail mons are good. (You can attack your Allie’s in Raids! Why? Idk but you can!) You lose more time if your mons are a higher level, my guess is that there is a certain stat the time loss from dying is but never tested that. And if playing with friends this bypasses the limited amount of 6* raids you would have access to in a way since we only get one per day. Hopefully this optimizes Farming for Raid materials!
Part of me isn't happy with this because a lot of of people are going to randomly join raid with the intention to fail, anyway, I was already planning of raiding mainly solo.
@@tractie_ Level up koraidon or miraidon to level 100 with exp candy, max out their attack and bulk, in the case or koraidon sword dance twice and use one screech, if you hit for super effective damage watch the raid boss die in 1 shot, otherwise see them lose 60-80 of their hp. I solo my 2 first 6 star raids with a miraidon that didn't even hand special attack max out. I rather have the 3 ai partner that barely do any damage because they at least arent going to trigger the shield of the opponent too early giving me time to set up as much as I want and that also use useful status effects. I can beat any 5 star raid just doing what I say here, 6 star raid are when things get a little tricky
@@tractie_ Iron hands with belly drum and Drain punch can pretty much solo every raid that's not ghost or umbreon. For ghost raids just get a belly drum, huge power, play rough azumarill and you can pretty much solo every raid.
Just found this channel and I am SO HAPPY to see the old Wolfey style videos!!!! This made my day. I understand that the main channel's editing is more popular, but it's hard for me to grasp so I am happy to just see this side of you and your content is being posted somewhere. Regardless of my opinions, keep killin it!🙌🏻
I kept seeing XP candies being added to my inventory after losses, figured it was a 50% XP candy reward for consolation or something. Didn't realize I was potentially getting HM too.
@@simonteesdale9752 Yeah, I don't need the raid mons themselves anymore, I have what I need. Basically been using the glitch to farm money for vitamins/caps, realistically I only need 2-3 Patches because the raid mons have their hidden abilities. Need more capsules than anything lol
So I think I accidentally benefited from this. I'm in a raid group using the perserrker strategy. And I would volunteer for the harder raids for that strategy (typically annihilape), so it would take 5 or 6 tries to win. Never would have guessed that beating my head against a wall would be worth it
I was unsure, but last night, I raided with my brother and a friend, we were failing 6 star raids, trying to find ability patches for perserker. After failing Corviknight a few times, we wanted to switch our strat, and needed to train new pokemon. I was looking at my mints and saw a few ability patches and was very confused; I thought it may have been a reward that I missed reading. It all makes sense now.
@@05stapj yes it was the same rewards determined by the first raid. We were wondering why I (host) gif 1 ability patch but my friend got 15 (cuz we kept losing and retrying) it’s cuz of this. A friend who joined in much later got 4 because he only joined in the last 4 attempts
I remember my friends getting a bunch of XP candies from us failing 5 star raids when we first unlocked them. Meanwhile I wasn't getting any. Now it makes sense. Surprised this took so long for the community to figure out. Or maybe it was a well kept secret
Tons of people have independently discovered it but found that just winning the raids with fully juiced up mons is faster than trying to lose over and over again.
What happens if the host disconnects? If disconnecting stops everyone from getting rewards then that could be considered a good defense against randoms trying to steal from the host by throwing.
Here's one. Walk clipped north east, unfinished area maybe dlc. Found 4 power herbs, sitrus berry, white herbs, all inside a mountain behind Team Star's fairy hideout.
As much as I want terra shards to be more available, I really hope this gets patched. Anything that requires you to lose on purpose to get better rewards cannot be healthy for an online environment. Almost wish you didn't cover it cause you know randoms will starts joining your raids and throw them :/
Welp, knowing this information made me not want to host any 5 or 6 star raids to randos anymore unless I'm playing with a pre-formed group. Thanks for the heads up! 😝
I’ve been wondering why people go into raids with Pokémon and I’m just looking at their choice like “you gotta be trolling bring this to this raid we’re gonna lose” and now it makes sense…. But this felt like it took longer than just beating the Mon up… this makes sense for a bunch of people who don’t have Mons that can take on the raid but it sucks for people actually tryna beat the raid or catch the pokemon
This is fair but that just means Game Freak HAS to make Tera Shards easier to get. It is a game design problem with one good solution that happens to encourage toxic behavior. Not the players fault for wanting competition pokemon without taking 100s of hours.
That explains it! I was doing a bunch of 6 star raids the other day trying to get an ability patch. I failed the majority of them and the few I did win, I checked and didn’t get an ability patch. But somehow I got one in my bag. This 1000% works.
I feel so bad I have 5 star raids and I join some, but I try my best my Pokémon are about level 80 or higher and I try my best to use strong moves, but sometimes I feel so bad when everyone else is dying and they don't do enough damage.
You can attack allies and a higher level Pokemon fainting makes the timer go down more, so joining with a level 100 is actually the quickest way to do this
Oh....that would explain why i had an extra ability patch. This one time i was like "FINALLY ONE THAT I CAN CLONE FOR MONEY" And im sure i check all the rewards...then i notice i had 2 on the bag...and that was weird because if i had one from rewards previously i would have notice... Only thing that worries me is that people wont host 6 stars raids anymore because of this...
Glad to find out that all these raid battles that lag (not an internet issue on my part) so much for me that I can barely get two attacks in still end up giving me rewards apparently.
good for joining raids but really bad for the people hosting, i was trying to host raids yesterday and lost most of them, it kinds stings knowing i didnt get anything for it when the random strangers i hosted did
WAIT. So youre saying if i do this with the charizard 7 star raid (which im assuming will have much greater rewards) then i can farm xp candies EXTEMELY quickly???
There's a much better farm with Dittos. A Ditto always transforms into the host, so the host can bring a LVL 1 anything that any buddies (even the AI) will curb stomp easily. The host can then quit the game without saving after to redo the raid. So everyone except the host can infinitely redo the raid and get the rewards with no effort. My friend and I amassed 20+ ability capsules and patches this way, not to mention a bunch of tera Shards and exp candies whenever we found a Ditto with good rewards.
@@RefrigeraThor yep, but you can reset the clock to the next day to reset your 6 star raid for the day. A bit tedious for sure, but once you find a good one it's very fast to grind out.
The best thing to do would have a group of 4 friends, each of you find a 6 star and go round the group losing so you all get your rewards equally rather than one or two getting nothing. Please no one do this in online matchmade raids.
This has GOT to get patched. This seems neat for coordinated friend groups, but this is going to destroy randomly hosted lobbies. What an absolute nightmare.
I mean i can see why they did this but at the same time if your a random hosting a raid and the other ppl threw, its really fustrating for the random bc they dont get the rewards. If everyone got something for losing this not moght not be as big of a issue, but now you would have ppl in random raids throwing so they get thier rewards faster while the host suffers. I feel like it should.go one way or the other, either everyone get rewards for losing or noone get rewards for losing. Or maybe this is a bug and noone is supposed to get anything for losing, i have no idea.
This explains why I always had alot of XL candies and had 3 ability patches when I only saw 1 that I got from winning. That's insane but I feel like people will still try to win since you can still lose even when your trying really hard
tatsuguiri caught in the wild knows momento, pretty good for this strategy. also the higher level the pokemon that kos, the more timer is lost. level 100 tatsuguiri meta
Don't think this works with public raids, just tried it with a couple public fairy raids and my shards stayed the same. From a lot of these comments it sounds like it just happens if you share a code with a friend
Can confirm, I'd be losing raids trying to hunt herba mysticas, I'd finally get two salties, look in my bag, and I'd see 4...I thought I was going mental.
This is fast, but probably not as fast as 5 or 6 star Ditto raids. Since Ditto always transforms into the host's mon, you could have them bring a Lvl 1 Sunkern or something and defeat the raid extremely quickly. Then the host can close the game before it auto-saves to prevent the raid from being removed and everyone else can go again. Obviously you can't rely on these raids spawning, but if they do they can be extremely lucrative for a group of friends.
Can you not turn off autosave for online? Also does the raid ditto copy hp/stats like normal or is it just turning into whatever a raid version of that pokemon would be
depends on what you are looking for and what mon is in the den, some of them drop multiple herbs (blissey and dodonga come to mind) so reset failing and getting 4 different herbs each rotation is definitely the best way for herb gathering.
A friend of mine does set-up strats and OHKOs 5 and 6 star bosses as long as his partners don't trigger a damage cap. That results two turn kills with Belly drum pkmn or 4 turn kills with Swords Dance/ Nasty plot pkmn. (Have to be strong enough though)
Wait, I thought everyone knew about getting the rewards when you lose? I've been mentioning it in comments sections for days lmao. Glad people are benefitting from it I guess, just hope it being common knowledge doesnt ruin too hard.
i hope that generally people still try to beat raids with randoms in case someone's trying to actually catch the boss, but this is still a really interesting bug
Originally I was annoyed about how bad people online were at doing Raids... Knowing that I get my rewards even if someone dies 5 times and single handedly loses the Raid because they only looked at the Tera type and not the actual Pokemon they're fighting it's a little less painful... Still annoying though
Fyi using higher level mons seems to help the timer go down faster. Friends and I are using lvl 80-100 electrodes against dens with aggressive mons and we can finish it in 2 minures or so. Level 1s were taking on average about 6 minutes. Also, self destruct and explosion doesn't seem to work. It displays "But it failed" probably to avoid griefing.
Tested it with 1.1.0 and it didn't work. There's a chance I did it wrong, but more than likely was patched. I don't feel like testing more than once, so if you want to try anyways, please let me know if I was right or wrong.
This isn’t even the optimal way to farm high level raids though. Using an EV Trained iron hands or Gholdengo to buff your stats and then oneshotting the enemy boss is by far the best method. It’s even easier with 1-3 friends cause they can bring mons like Perrserker to taunt and debuff the boss with screech or metal sound, and then helping hand the DPS carry mon to ensure a guaranteed oneshot, skipping the shield and Terra phases altogether. This all occurs in 2-3 turns, whereas the method in this video takes 5-10 minutes and like 8-10 turns of just sitting around. Even when this strat is fully optimized, it won’t be as fast as the 2-3 turn one shot strat that 1-3 friends can easily do together.
to alleviate some worry of doing this in random lobbies. it seems joining randoms vs in union circles/link codes has lower rewards and with the difficulty of getting into some random raids I don't think it would even be remotely optimal vs finding someone in a discord server to just grind it out with.
This kind of explains why, the first time I did a 6 star raid, the game kind of treated it like I... won? during the cutscene with the pokedex guy. Even though I didn't win that raid
Hi Wolfey, a friend and I found this exploit earlier last week and played around with it. First and foremost, this ONLY worked when we directly connected with each other via Link Code. This did NOT work when we tried to lose random raids online with randoms. Secondly, self KO moves do not work, as we tested self destruct and explosion and both of them failed. Moves like Belly Drum or Filet Away that do a large % of your max health are the best for this.
Thank god I already have the dex complete, I got like half the version exclusives as well as trade evos from raid wins, couldn't imagine doing that now with people probably trowing intentionally to gain shards...
Something else for me was that my first 6 star raid was with someone else so jacq called me and asked me what's up even tho I lost, probably should have pieced it together my self at that point
I want it be known. There's all ready people abusing this with Randoms. I just tried to do a 5-Star Ground Passimian with Randos. The guy brought Koriedon for seemingly no reason. Then did nothing for half the raid, maybe dragon clawing it, once, or cheering. But not attacking at all. Thanks. Hope this is patched eventually. Pro tip; Don't lock in, until you vibe check your randos. I had *another* person use this exploit on me. Water Dragapult, so he locked in Armarouge. I was thinking; "Maybe he'll use shadow ball or thunderbolt, or something." Spammed flamethrower.
that koraidon example may have been something else, as they wouldn't have a chance to die if they just did nothing lol. and also people bring the legendaries all the time despite not being effective
Does this work for ones I join? I'm not trying to throw but this would make failing more palatable, thus actually enticing me to participate in more 6 star raids with randoms
I disagree with you saying that this is the fastest method for tera shards. I've done quite a few Raids with the Perrserker strat and killing the Boss on move 2 is a lot faster than getting yourself knocked out a few times. But i get that this is a phenomenal option for people who don't want to got through the hassle of building a Perrserker for the strat.
And then you need to back out of the console, update the time, travel to a new node, and re-think how to beat the next 'mon. No, this is definitely faster.
@@nolchannel4950 which takes about 2min if you are in the rhythm of doing it. Wofle waited 4 minutes in the raid while waiting to fail. This is definitely slower. But i get the appeal - getting the exact same items can be cool if you are only out for herba mystica.
@@tolaut it was also a raid with 2 NPCs. Only players fainting decrease the time remaining. It's definitely going to be close once you optimize losing. This requires no setup and no time shenanigans though, making it very appealing.
This sounds right. I've only done a hand full of raids and then I looked in my inventory and found a random ability patch in my bags. I'm like wow when did I get this?! Something I'd clearly notice if I won. So maybe this is a real thing. Gasp !
UPDATE: It seems if you join a random lobby (not using a code), the rewards are only given out one time if you fail. You should only be doing this with your friends, don't join random raids and lose on purpose because odds are you wont get the rewards anyway!
This is interesting as I have gotten rewards for the two I have lost already. But I’m glad to hear this news as hopefully it stops griefing.
th-cam.com/video/Ae4wA3T0gqc/w-d-xo.html Blaines describes it more accurate and has a Discord Group for joining raids, but that group is for herba mistica. And you should use lvl 100 Pokémon that take out larger chunks out of the time bar when dying.
Was just about to ask that lol Thanks Wolfe
Good job Wolfe finding obscure content to talk about- but listen- I know something else people are barely talking about that I think you should cover since so many people don’t know about it. The outbreak method normally feels like there’s very few mons apart of it whenever you try and reset to get new ones. What ABSOLUTELY nobody has included in their guides for outbreaks (besides one small TH-camr with like 1 k views on his outbreak manipulation video who discovered this) is that even by going to different areas on your map near watch towers, you can spawn in much RARER outbreaks. You can even get an authentic sinistea outbreak, it’s crazy- check serebii if you don’t believe me. Definitely look more into it.
th-cam.com/video/l6XccID97EM/w-d-xo.html this is the video im referring to
ONLY DO THIS WITH YOUR FRIENDS, the random host you joined will NOT appreciate you throwing
Yes, this is an important point. Throwing the battle in a random host’s lobby is rude and selfish. There are plenty of discord communities you could attempt this with. Wolfe’s included
These vids are terrible couse ppl will still do it better leave then not in the know
@@Mdiele1 I would rather the information become so public that GF is forced to fix the issue.
And what if i have no friends who play
@@christopherIF grieve
I just hope this doesn't cause randoms to throw in actual raid attempts... Bc like if you're hosting a raid looking for group you want to win to get rewards, but your helpers get rewards regardless so they could just throw and that would suck...
this is what im afraid of too lol. people just joining any raids they see in portal
I think I’ve seen some in my raids today
There are people gets easily one shot, totally not fit for a five star raid
This is best in a freind group that all agree to throw
Does anyone know if the host quits they still get the rewards? Because if they don't if people are throwing your raid you should quit to stop this behaviour in random lobbies
@@naotaka1624 idk why people keep forgetting that half the playerbase are kids first of all, and there are also a lot of people going into a raid for their first couple of times. Just cause you fail the run doesn't mean somebody was INTENTIONALLY griefing you
JSYK You don't need to lose to farm the same raid over and over again, if the host saves before the den (autosave off) and then resets once you beat the raid and are returned to the overworld, the den will still exist. This way you can also tell what rewards you are getting. With the right strats, you can one-shot most bosses (using perserrker or iron hands, for example), which I think is even faster than losing.
Definitely faster. Azu and Iron Hands solo any 5 stars and with screech support they clown 6s too
It's 100% faster to just 1 shot the raid mons lol and solo raids.
It works really well, found one with an ability patch I’ve been farming for a while
Yeah I mean if you’re good one shot is the way to go.
Definitely is better,but the one hosting.the teraraid won't get the rewards 'cause after you beat the Pokémon should reset the game to restart it.
I am worried that no one will be willing to host random high star raids anymore
Felt like being forced to know someone to work with
I mean yeah, this now makes me less likely to host them, why would I sit there for 5 minutes as you all go make a cup of coffee and I get nothing out of it? seems like a bug that will kill random raids
@@MrDegan2 i am actually so mad right now, I don’t have any friends that play pokemon, the only way for me is random raids
Or fricking go to some youtuber’s community to beg for raid partners, which did not work well for me
Gamefreak literally screwed up every aspect of the game, competitive, raids, maybe except the story
@@naotaka1624 six star raids are soloable. The best Pokémon being the box legendaries and a spoiler Pokémon with the initials IH. Power level them to 100 with candy, go to the ghost city to buy beneficial mint, EV vitamins, bottle caps, and hyper training in the same town.
@@tristanbowles7258 yeah I guess that’s the only way now
Still training some important ones, but I don’t know if the 7 star charizard taid is soloable
Honestly this makes sense now. Last night I tried my first 6 star raid (by joining a random) and we got close but lost, and then I got a call from Jacq where the only response I could choose was "I won!" Thought that was really weird, but it would explain why that happened, the game thought I won. Thanks for clearing up that mystery!
I was thinking something similar when I had items I shouldn't have. I noticed the other day I have a fair bit more Herba Mystica than I should. Like, double the amount of HM. This makes a lot of sense.
@@t1g3r2013 explains where my ability patches are coming from
This is really cool, but I hope people don’t start throwing raids with strangers. Some of us want the Pokémon just as much/more than the rewards.
not to mention that the host doesnt get the rewards, so you dont get either
This does not work with randoms, only if you connect via link code
I certainly will
@@scathee it does work in randoms, i noticed it myself this morning. Used up all my exp candies, lost in a 5* random raid, still got a few exp candies from it.
I gonna throw raids
Thanks for posting! Yeah would def only really recommend with friends. Want to mention a few things I never dm’ed.
Suicide Moves just don’t work at all in raids they won’t let you use them so Recoil Moves and Frail mons are good. (You can attack your Allie’s in Raids! Why? Idk but you can!)
You lose more time if your mons are a higher level, my guess is that there is a certain stat the time loss from dying is but never tested that.
And if playing with friends this bypasses the limited amount of 6* raids you would have access to in a way since we only get one per day. Hopefully this optimizes Farming for Raid materials!
u can attack ur allies in raids for some possible weaknesses policy, defiant, competitive strats etc.
I mean, you can also just advance a day on your switch and get more 6* raids that way as well.
Part of me isn't happy with this because a lot of of people are going to randomly join raid with the intention to fail, anyway, I was already planning of raiding mainly solo.
Well good luck with 3 AIs that don't deal any dmg
I want to do mostly solo but especially in high star raids that becomes very hard if not impossible which Is a bit of a bummer.
@@tractie_ Level up koraidon or miraidon to level 100 with exp candy, max out their attack and bulk, in the case or koraidon sword dance twice and use one screech, if you hit for super effective damage watch the raid boss die in 1 shot, otherwise see them lose 60-80 of their hp. I solo my 2 first 6 star raids with a miraidon that didn't even hand special attack max out.
I rather have the 3 ai partner that barely do any damage because they at least arent going to trigger the shield of the opponent too early giving me time to set up as much as I want and that also use useful status effects.
I can beat any 5 star raid just doing what I say here, 6 star raid are when things get a little tricky
@@tractie_ Iron hands with belly drum and Drain punch can pretty much solo every raid that's not ghost or umbreon. For ghost raids just get a belly drum, huge power, play rough azumarill and you can pretty much solo every raid.
Guys thank you for the tips but I have friends so I am fine :D
I respect the commitment to the intro even in such an urgent wideo
Just found this channel and I am SO HAPPY to see the old Wolfey style videos!!!! This made my day. I understand that the main channel's editing is more popular, but it's hard for me to grasp so I am happy to just see this side of you and your content is being posted somewhere. Regardless of my opinions, keep killin it!🙌🏻
I kept seeing XP candies being added to my inventory after losses, figured it was a 50% XP candy reward for consolation or something. Didn't realize I was potentially getting HM too.
Same, I wonder why I had so much HM in my bag, I was so sure I didn't win that many 😂
I spent 8 hours yesterday farming for an Ability Patch without knowing I had one from a failed raid then, lovely lol
Sweet. Are you using the duplication glitch to get more without grinding?
@@simonteesdale9752 Yeah, I don't need the raid mons themselves anymore, I have what I need. Basically been using the glitch to farm money for vitamins/caps, realistically I only need 2-3 Patches because the raid mons have their hidden abilities. Need more capsules than anything lol
Mors Principium Est is sick btw. Liberation = termination fantastic album.
So I think I accidentally benefited from this. I'm in a raid group using the perserrker strategy. And I would volunteer for the harder raids for that strategy (typically annihilape), so it would take 5 or 6 tries to win. Never would have guessed that beating my head against a wall would be worth it
Well yeah obviously anyone who has ever failed a raid has accidentally benefited from this
I was unsure, but last night, I raided with my brother and a friend, we were failing 6 star raids, trying to find ability patches for perserker. After failing Corviknight a few times, we wanted to switch our strat, and needed to train new pokemon. I was looking at my mints and saw a few ability patches and was very confused; I thought it may have been a reward that I missed reading. It all makes sense now.
Is 4 electrode going boom now the optimal strategy?
I don't think suicide moves work in raids
Scarfed Electrode max Speed is probably the most consistent. Some bosses will do status moves on turn 1.
Can confirm. My friends got like 15 ability patches from this and we split them lol
Did you get the same rewards each time?
I'm wondering if the rewards are determined when the raid spawns
@@05stapj yes it was the same rewards determined by the first raid. We were wondering why I (host) gif 1 ability patch but my friend got 15 (cuz we kept losing and retrying) it’s cuz of this. A friend who joined in much later got 4 because he only joined in the last 4 attempts
I remember my friends getting a bunch of XP candies from us failing 5 star raids when we first unlocked them. Meanwhile I wasn't getting any. Now it makes sense. Surprised this took so long for the community to figure out. Or maybe it was a well kept secret
Tons of people have independently discovered it but found that just winning the raids with fully juiced up mons is faster than trying to lose over and over again.
@@scathee I see
@@scathee yeah the only real benefit of this is that you can grind one raid multiple times for its rewards.
Wolfey in the morning makes my day
What happens if the host disconnects? If disconnecting stops everyone from getting rewards then that could be considered a good defense against randoms trying to steal from the host by throwing.
Here's one. Walk clipped north east, unfinished area maybe dlc. Found 4 power herbs, sitrus berry, white herbs, all inside a mountain behind Team Star's fairy hideout.
As much as I want terra shards to be more available, I really hope this gets patched. Anything that requires you to lose on purpose to get better rewards cannot be healthy for an online environment.
Almost wish you didn't cover it cause you know randoms will starts joining your raids and throw them :/
It started last night I was playing 6 star terra raids online people were being dogshit level 1 pokemon
Ah you're one of those censorship types: hide the truth because people can't handle it, rather than share knowledge
@@AnneALias what?
@@AnneALias that makes 0 sense in this context
@@AnneALias weird thing to say, nothing to do about censorship
This was fixed during patch 1.1
Welp, knowing this information made me not want to host any 5 or 6 star raids to randos anymore unless I'm playing with a pre-formed group. Thanks for the heads up! 😝
Remember, with randos, its still faster to just kill the boss.
I’ve been wondering why people go into raids with Pokémon and I’m just looking at their choice like “you gotta be trolling bring this to this raid we’re gonna lose” and now it makes sense…. But this felt like it took longer than just beating the Mon up… this makes sense for a bunch of people who don’t have Mons that can take on the raid but it sucks for people actually tryna beat the raid or catch the pokemon
But isn't this anti-social af when the host doesnt get anything for losing?
If you're working with other people you can rotate hosting. If you're doing this in random public ones, it's pretty f'd up yah.
@@Kasaaz most people are gonna use this solo and its gonna be so anoying
This is fair but that just means Game Freak HAS to make Tera Shards easier to get. It is a game design problem with one good solution that happens to encourage toxic behavior.
Not the players fault for wanting competition pokemon without taking 100s of hours.
I mean you just need a giga chad that’s okay putting the homies up on their shoulders.
@@_TristanGray the problem is why didn’t the host get compensation if this is Gamefreak’s intention
The host bears the risk, this doesn’t make sense
This method also works for Herbas Mysticas. The main raids that drop them are: Vaporeon, Blissey, Amoongus, Farigiraf, Dondozo and Cetitan.
That explains it! I was doing a bunch of 6 star raids the other day trying to get an ability patch. I failed the majority of them and the few I did win, I checked and didn’t get an ability patch. But somehow I got one in my bag. This 1000% works.
I feel so bad I have 5 star raids and I join some, but I try my best my Pokémon are about level 80 or higher and I try my best to use strong moves, but sometimes I feel so bad when everyone else is dying and they don't do enough damage.
Can your "allies" also hit you instead of the raid mon to increase the speed of this?
yes they can
This makes the grind less excruciating. Good looks!
You can attack allies and a higher level Pokemon fainting makes the timer go down more, so joining with a level 100 is actually the quickest way to do this
just saw your tweet, thanks for getting this out quickly
Oh....that would explain why i had an extra ability patch.
This one time i was like "FINALLY ONE THAT I CAN CLONE FOR MONEY"
And im sure i check all the rewards...then i notice i had 2 on the bag...and that was weird because if i had one from rewards previously i would have notice...
Only thing that worries me is that people wont host 6 stars raids anymore because of this...
I mean i wont why risk it.
I randomly had an ability patch appear in my bag a few days ago. Glad to see an explanation for this hahaha
Glad to find out that all these raid battles that lag (not an internet issue on my part) so much for me that I can barely get two attacks in still end up giving me rewards apparently.
good for joining raids but really bad for the people hosting, i was trying to host raids yesterday and lost most of them, it kinds stings knowing i didnt get anything for it when the random strangers i hosted did
Apparently if your mons are higher the level it takes more off the timer when it faints. So it's faster to do this with lvl 100 mons
Thank you wolfey. Just saved me days of grinding for patches
Do this with friends only
So basically: never ever go for raids with randos because they will throw and leave you with nothing
I knew that the guy who joined my raid with a special attacking Roaring Moon must have had something up their sleeve
I'm glad I can solo them all (except this one 6 star Ground type Gardevoir that messed me up, I could probs do it now though)
I've already had a random team of people throwing hard. I carried with salazzle because I really wanted that pokemon and eventually I got help.
Never did anything with randos even before this exploit
So, no change compared to before lol.
This explains why I have more Herba Mystica than I thought I did
0:20 Like the watch. What kind of watch is it? I have one that looks similar with a black metal band.
In that case you still say the I
WAIT. So youre saying if i do this with the charizard 7 star raid (which im assuming will have much greater rewards) then i can farm xp candies EXTEMELY quickly???
There's a much better farm with Dittos. A Ditto always transforms into the host, so the host can bring a LVL 1 anything that any buddies (even the AI) will curb stomp easily. The host can then quit the game without saving after to redo the raid. So everyone except the host can infinitely redo the raid and get the rewards with no effort. My friend and I amassed 20+ ability capsules and patches this way, not to mention a bunch of tera Shards and exp candies whenever we found a Ditto with good rewards.
That will need a ditto though, which is a 1/50 roll (if evenly distributed),
@@RefrigeraThor yep, but you can reset the clock to the next day to reset your 6 star raid for the day. A bit tedious for sure, but once you find a good one it's very fast to grind out.
The best thing to do would have a group of 4 friends, each of you find a 6 star and go round the group losing so you all get your rewards equally rather than one or two getting nothing. Please no one do this in online matchmade raids.
People have already been doing this in online raids for several days. This isn't new information, but it's not exactly widely known yet either.
Thank you Wolfe, now I can continue not having friends! :)
OH NO I WATCHED FOR TWO MORE SECONDS I DO NEED FRIENDS NOOOOOOO
Very nice
This has GOT to get patched. This seems neat for coordinated friend groups, but this is going to destroy randomly hosted lobbies. What an absolute nightmare.
I mean i can see why they did this but at the same time if your a random hosting a raid and the other ppl threw, its really fustrating for the random bc they dont get the rewards. If everyone got something for losing this not moght not be as big of a issue, but now you would have ppl in random raids throwing so they get thier rewards faster while the host suffers. I feel like it should.go one way or the other, either everyone get rewards for losing or noone get rewards for losing. Or maybe this is a bug and noone is supposed to get anything for losing, i have no idea.
This explains how I had like 6 spicy herba mystica even though I definitely never saw me getting that many
More time comes off the timer when you die the higher level your pokemon is so if you bring a lvl100 and explode it goes much more quickly.
This explains why I always had alot of XL candies and had 3 ability patches when I only saw 1 that I got from winning. That's insane but I feel like people will still try to win since you can still lose even when your trying really hard
tatsuguiri caught in the wild knows momento, pretty good for this strategy. also the higher level the pokemon that kos, the more timer is lost. level 100 tatsuguiri meta
Don't think this works with public raids, just tried it with a couple public fairy raids and my shards stayed the same. From a lot of these comments it sounds like it just happens if you share a code with a friend
Can confirm, I'd be losing raids trying to hunt herba mysticas, I'd finally get two salties, look in my bag, and I'd see 4...I thought I was going mental.
This is fast, but probably not as fast as 5 or 6 star Ditto raids. Since Ditto always transforms into the host's mon, you could have them bring a Lvl 1 Sunkern or something and defeat the raid extremely quickly. Then the host can close the game before it auto-saves to prevent the raid from being removed and everyone else can go again. Obviously you can't rely on these raids spawning, but if they do they can be extremely lucrative for a group of friends.
Can you not turn off autosave for online? Also does the raid ditto copy hp/stats like normal or is it just turning into whatever a raid version of that pokemon would be
@@anthonynguyen1289 Can't say it copies the health for sure but I've never seen a 5 or 6 star ditto survive a hit.
@@anthonynguyen1289i once lost 2 hr of raid stuffs thanks to a crash, so i think the game didnt autosave after every raid
I wish so badly that you could also get ability patches from 5 star raids. Even 1% would be so much better than slogging through 6 star raids
I think winning quickly with optimized teams may still be faster
depends on what you are looking for and what mon is in the den, some of them drop multiple herbs (blissey and dodonga come to mind) so reset failing and getting 4 different herbs each rotation is definitely the best way for herb gathering.
You only get to do the raid once if you win.
A friend of mine does set-up strats and OHKOs 5 and 6 star bosses as long as his partners don't trigger a damage cap. That results two turn kills with Belly drum pkmn or 4 turn kills with Swords Dance/ Nasty plot pkmn. (Have to be strong enough though)
So you're saying I should run Explosion / Self-Destruct?
FYI, just from some of my own testing this seems to have been patched out after the ver 1.1.0 update!!
Wait, I thought everyone knew about getting the rewards when you lose? I've been mentioning it in comments sections for days lmao. Glad people are benefitting from it I guess, just hope it being common knowledge doesnt ruin too hard.
yup, because of you, my random raids now filled by low level raiders... "thanks"! a lot!
i hope that generally people still try to beat raids with randoms in case someone's trying to actually catch the boss, but this is still a really interesting bug
Respect the TinkaTon. My favorite pokemon for multiple reasons :D
Originally I was annoyed about how bad people online were at doing Raids...
Knowing that I get my rewards even if someone dies 5 times and single handedly loses the Raid because they only looked at the Tera type and not the actual Pokemon they're fighting it's a little less painful... Still annoying though
4 people dropping self destructs would have crazy farming potential
Fyi using higher level mons seems to help the timer go down faster. Friends and I are using lvl 80-100 electrodes against dens with aggressive mons and we can finish it in 2 minures or so. Level 1s were taking on average about 6 minutes.
Also, self destruct and explosion doesn't seem to work. It displays "But it failed" probably to avoid griefing.
Now I’m worried people will purposely throw when I’m trying to win and catch the Pokémon :/
Is it fixed with the update 1.1.0 or does it still work?
Tested it with 1.1.0 and it didn't work. There's a chance I did it wrong, but more than likely was patched. I don't feel like testing more than once, so if you want to try anyways, please let me know if I was right or wrong.
I don't think it works with tera shards anymore but does with exp candies. Had none then tried and raid, lost and ended up with 3 large exp candies
@@toxic0470 After 1.1.0? Pretty sure this glitch has been patched with that update.
This isn’t even the optimal way to farm high level raids though. Using an EV Trained iron hands or Gholdengo to buff your stats and then oneshotting the enemy boss is by far the best method.
It’s even easier with 1-3 friends cause they can bring mons like Perrserker to taunt and debuff the boss with screech or metal sound, and then helping hand the DPS carry mon to ensure a guaranteed oneshot, skipping the shield and Terra phases altogether. This all occurs in 2-3 turns, whereas the method in this video takes 5-10 minutes and like 8-10 turns of just sitting around. Even when this strat is fully optimized, it won’t be as fast as the 2-3 turn one shot strat that 1-3 friends can easily do together.
I love how the game category is Tera.
Armorogue with 220 spd, 180 def, 100 spa atk choice specs melts a bunch of raids :)
I've been getting people spamming memento, wich self ko your pokemon, all the time. I just cannot host raids. Is this why?
to alleviate some worry of doing this in random lobbies. it seems joining randoms vs in union circles/link codes has lower rewards and with the difficulty of getting into some random raids I don't think it would even be remotely optimal vs finding someone in a discord server to just grind it out with.
This kind of explains why, the first time I did a 6 star raid, the game kind of treated it like I... won? during the cutscene with the pokedex guy. Even though I didn't win that raid
That explains how I randomly had an ability patch after never seeing it on my win screens
"If you get 3 friends"
That's a high bar
So easy herba farm when you find the right mon?
Hi Wolfey, a friend and I found this exploit earlier last week and played around with it.
First and foremost, this ONLY worked when we directly connected with each other via Link Code. This did NOT work when we tried to lose random raids online with randoms.
Secondly, self KO moves do not work, as we tested self destruct and explosion and both of them failed. Moves like Belly Drum or Filet Away that do a large % of your max health are the best for this.
That first part is a relief or otherwise online randoms battles would be ruined by everyone throwing
Thank god I already have the dex complete, I got like half the version exclusives as well as trade evos from raid wins, couldn't imagine doing that now with people probably trowing intentionally to gain shards...
7:44 also since the HP is boosted for the raid Pokémon a good idea is to use a mon with Brave Bird or other moves with high recoil
I noticed this a few days ago cause I randomly had like 100 ghost Tera shards, me and my friend were just losing to a lvl 6 ghost raid over and over
Something else for me was that my first 6 star raid was with someone else so jacq called me and asked me what's up even tho I lost, probably should have pieced it together my self at that point
This explains why I have had random items I never earned appear in my bag.
Poor Voltorb just wanted to be involved, but then you step 3 feet in his direction and he’s exploding everywhere
I want it be known.
There's all ready people abusing this with Randoms.
I just tried to do a 5-Star Ground Passimian with Randos.
The guy brought Koriedon for seemingly no reason. Then did nothing for half the raid, maybe dragon clawing it, once, or cheering. But not attacking at all.
Thanks.
Hope this is patched eventually.
Pro tip;
Don't lock in, until you vibe check your randos. I had *another* person use this exploit on me. Water Dragapult, so he locked in Armarouge. I was thinking; "Maybe he'll use shadow ball or thunderbolt, or something." Spammed flamethrower.
that koraidon example may have been something else, as they wouldn't have a chance to die if they just did nothing lol. and also people bring the legendaries all the time despite not being effective
so you need 2 nintendo online memberships or a family membership?
Does this work for ones I join? I'm not trying to throw but this would make failing more palatable, thus actually enticing me to participate in more 6 star raids with randoms
So when they say rewards, does that mean not just the tera shards? Will you be able to farm herba mysticas?
I've been wondering why I sometimes have an additional Ability Patch when I don't remember seeing it drop.
The guy hosting salty AND patch raid like this is a goat
I disagree with you saying that this is the fastest method for tera shards. I've done quite a few Raids with the Perrserker strat and killing the Boss on move 2 is a lot faster than getting yourself knocked out a few times. But i get that this is a phenomenal option for people who don't want to got through the hassle of building a Perrserker for the strat.
And then you need to back out of the console, update the time, travel to a new node, and re-think how to beat the next 'mon.
No, this is definitely faster.
@@nolchannel4950 which takes about 2min if you are in the rhythm of doing it. Wofle waited 4 minutes in the raid while waiting to fail. This is definitely slower. But i get the appeal - getting the exact same items can be cool if you are only out for herba mystica.
@@tolaut it was also a raid with 2 NPCs. Only players fainting decrease the time remaining. It's definitely going to be close once you optimize losing. This requires no setup and no time shenanigans though, making it very appealing.
Do you only get shards from it or do you get other items as well?
This sounds right. I've only done a hand full of raids and then I looked in my inventory and found a random ability patch in my bags. I'm like wow when did I get this?! Something I'd clearly notice if I won. So maybe this is a real thing. Gasp !
Explosion, Final Gambit and Memento mons stocks just went to the moon.
Imagine hosting a raid and seeing Wolfglick join, only for him to bring a level 1 flamigo
I was wondering how I got an ability patch randomly, this explains it though. Thanks for the info.
Now does this apply to all rewards or just the Tera shards?
Does this include the other rewards? Like the exp candies, abilitycapsules ability patches and such?
Yes
does this only work with shards or can u do this with an ability patch den?