What's Philosophy of Cosmology? | ENCORE Episode 1901 | Closer To Truth
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- What is philosophy of cosmology? We search the deepest levels of cosmic reality, the big picture of the puzzle of the universe - beginning, size, structure, future, far future. We seek significance in cosmology, if there’s any to be. Featuring interviews with Barry Loewer, Mario Livio, George F. R. Ellis, and David Albert.
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Philosophy is the bedrock for everything
EveryThing!
Even Philosophy itself
Understanding is not just about ‘observation’, but also the subsequent interpretation of what has been observed, and this is where philosophy can help us to genuinely understand, but we also need psychology because our pretentious ‘societies’ have made it very difficult for us to be genuine..
Without a will to truth, genuine understanding cannot take place..
spaceandmotion
Wellsaid, particularly the psychology bit; it turns out the cosmos, universal, world, bla bla bla are no more than vague generalisations, a compound of piecemeal seriatim experiences glued together with what can only be called imagination, as are all universals are they not?The question is: Can dreamers-men(human beings ever seriously contemplate approaching or search for or discovering not just truth, but the*whole* truth, which must embrace the certainty of their(for themselves) destruction forever, and I'm not convinced that dreamers are quite up to that- It could well amount to little more than more of the usual dreaming, wiseacring speculation and guesswork- just the usual dreaming.
I agree totally with George Ellis. My question is if our universe is infinite then how can there be anything beyond that because there's no end of space-time for another universe to begin?
Good question...
Just add the statement, as we know it.
Everything is inside us , and outside, will helping us to find them, to discover inside us better!
Great episode, there is definitely philosophy in science
There's actually no science without philosophy--science is merely an outgrowth of philosophy. People can "do" science or physics, as in applying a method they've learned, but the moment findings are to be interpreted with any meaningful depth, or an assessment of the discipline itself is to be mafe, this ultimately depends purely on reason, which is the exclusive of philosophy.
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The beginning of time (our universe), was the beginning of our most parent host organism. The universe is expanding because that organism is growing. The laws of physics of our universe is the identity of our universe - its DNA. Nothing escapes a black hole because they are mechanism through which our universe excretes - or purges unwanted materials - these materials cease to exist in time so we can thrive.
Big question is: Is time a unique phenomena is our universe alone?
Awesome channel. You should really timestamp these videos so we would all know when these conversations took place in our version of the multiverse.
Fascinating, I love this channel.
We can't affect the past, but how much we can affect the future is an open question. At a micro moment to moment level we feel we can.
Kudos, to everyone involved.
"Their assumption that physical causation is the only causation that works is manifestly a false statement," how very closer to Truth that statement is!
Long the stars is to yonder within,
Realize Oneness unity herein,
Goodness outpouring life of All,
Mirror of Soul Spirit dwells on,
Reversion the end whence begin,
Purpose of life had here until then,
To know Thyself once again.
Dr. Kuhn- I think there is one aspect of the present that defies the dissolution, of disorder- our knowledge and understanding can grow and make sense of the past - making the knowledge or understanding a part of the wholeness- perhaps Bohmian - implicate order
the nature of cosmos is presented to us as both structure and entropy... similar paradigm is part of life and "every" other physical object we interact with... in the midst of it all, we find a blue place with a "mysterious" rudimentary intelligent ability to control both as it sees fit... now, if one is not impressed by this wonder, I doubt they'll ever be :)
Sometime after 19:10 I had to pause the video to check if a gazillion cicadas hadn't just landed on the tree outside my window and started their usual racket.
George Ellis gives four reasons for the fundamental constants: 1. Happenstance, 2. Inevitability, 3. High probability (multiverse), and 4. Intelligent design. But, if we assume for a moment Sir. Roger Penrose's Conformal Cyclic Cosmology, there is a fifth option: Evolution! The universe may have the constants from aeons (in CCC sense) optimizing a fitness function, which Hameroff proposes to be consciousness. In that sense, humanity is the "conscious mind" of the universe, finally beginning to understand itself.
I think intelligent design reduces to the other possibilities you have listed. If you believe in a necessary god with necessary characteristics then ID reduces to inevitability. If you believe in a contingent god with contingent characteristics then it reduces to happenstance. I’d be interested in your response.
Or ONE of the conscious minds of the universe. You might suggest life in that sense is inevitable in your outlook.
@@robh8024 A god is considered something with an intent, a purpose. I'm not sure that's the same as inevitability. A god may have a choice to do this or that.
@@starry2006 The god of classical theism is thought to be a necessary being, both in terms of his existence and his properties. His act of creation, the fact that he chose to create this particular universe, would presumably be entailed by his properties and would inherit that same necessity and be inevitable. If we were to postulate, on the other hand, some kind of contingent creator, his properties would be contingent in the sense that they could have been different than they are. His creative act would inherit that contingency and be more like an example of happenstance. At least that’s my thought. I’m might be wrong.
@@robh8024 I wasn't arguing for or against God. The context was the "fine turning" of the constants. I simply pointed that evolution, with consciousness as its primary fitness function combined with a cyclical universe (as in CCC) provides an alternative explanation to the current values of such constants.
I have never believed in an instantiated, "personalized" God, but God as Actions. Thus, there is an Act of Creation which is necessary and not contingent on a Creator. Similarly, I mentioned the Act of Evolution, another Divine Action aimed metaphysically at the (re)integration of all of Creation, what in Confucianism is called the World.
Contingent Universe:
3 sets of 3 dimensions
Set 1: 1D, 2D, 3D "spatial" (matter; composite substances)
Set 2: 4D, 5D, 6D "temporal" (metaphysical time)
Set 3: 7D, 8D, 9D "spectral" (energy spectra)
Set 1 "spatial";
1D: line, straight (two points)
2D: plane; group of line (length, width; shape)
3D: volume (2D plane L/W shape + height)
Set 2 "temporal";
4D: architecture (temporal length of spatial/spectral sets)
5D: design (temporal length/breadth of spatial/spectral sets)
6D: ? (temporal length/breadth/depth of spatial/spectral sets)
Set 3 "spectral";
7D: continuous
8D: emission
9D: absorption
Symmetry:
1D, 4D, 7D line, length, continuous
2D, 5D, 8D width, breadth, emission
3D, 6D, 9D height, depth, absorption
Bonus: Galileo proved earth is not the center of the solar system.
Earth being the center of the universe is still on the table.
How many times a week do you cut and paste this nonsense?
George brought up a salient point about Occam's razor and the multiverse. Having to invent an infinitum of universes to explain our one universe is suspect. My words, not his, but essentially what he said.
Yeah. It seems to me like something slapped together in a panic to account for the fine-tuned constants. Shameful.
Science in it's present form, will never answer the mysteries of life and the universe, because of it's own intransigent stance, which is anything that is to be accepted as truth must be tested on the physical plane of reality.
But there are clearly other levels of reality which are unseen on the physical plane, but do unquestionably exist, such as thought and consciousness - which science can only theorize about, and inconclusively at best.
As mentioned by one if the interviewees, philosophy may answer a question, but it is of no use to science, if it can't be tested physically.
Sadly, science is only looking for "answers" that fit their narrow parameters - things perceivable by the limited 5 physical senses which feed the mind.
But there are perfect answers to the mysteries of the universe, which can be realized on levels of consciousness which are deeper than just the input of one's limited senses. There just may be things in the universe, which one's mind cannot properly conceive of - things, potentiates and energies that are inconceivable. Reality may just be bigger, than science is willing to give it credit for.
If one is truly seeking "answers" which are fulfilling and life-affirming, the endless speculations and counter-arguments to various scientific theories, will not provide anything conclusive.
If one is open to the idea of infinite possibilities as opposed to scientific dogma, the Universe/God/Source may speak to you internally, in many different ways. This may seem "irrational" but science accepts an "irrational" value such as pi, to describe the circumference of a circle in relationship to it's diameter. Pi does not come to an end, and does not repeat a sequence of numbers... it just goes on.. can we say.. infinitely?
Fine tuning hints of a creative intelligence. When one pushes a button in an elevator to get to from floor A to floor B, do we deny that the electrical and other contractors that installed the elevator don't exist, just because they are not physically observable when we use the lift? Their work speaks for itself, and for them. Some conclude it is the same for the universe and it's creator. The signals and patterns are all throughout nature of higher intelligence and consciousness, if we look deeply.
The philosophy of cosmology is to recognize that unless you live virtuously and with morality, we will never facilitate sufficient cooperation to realize our power over the other forces of the universe. Unless, we dominate the forces, the forces will dominate us and we will always flee in a manner that decrease our likelyhood of ever realizing our truth potential. You must live in truth, for the universe's law is that truth dominates over fiction. Fiction never materializes, the truth will. The truth potential can only be attained by the good, because people are people. We require reason to be cooperative, and none of us are capable of having success greater than the hunter at the beginning of our epoch without cooperation.
Copernicus was not the first to propose a Helio-centric cosmic model.
In any case, There is no centre.
Bravo bravo. How about we flow with the forces of the universe instead of dominating it. Also good is a matter of situation and origin of your morality based on your childhood upbringing. So that which is good for one group might be bad for another group.
@@geraldobah1 If you flow with the forces of the universe, the universe comes to an end. If you recognize your purpose in the universe, you recognize that it was created for you to perpetuate.
Hello Robert, Time is relative, it’s the first cousin to reality.
David Albert correctly identifies time as the biggest puzzle, but falls back on Newtonian thinking that makes time subservient to space. Gives three categories of asymmetries due to the "arrow of time": 1. Entropy-driven, although he claims minimum entropy at the big bang when the CMB shows maximum entropy (Penrose's "mammoth in the room"), 2. Epistemic, and 3. Causal. He wonders if they are related (yes) and a result from the "structure of the world" (no, again thinking about space!). These asymmetries are built into the nature of "real time", which for starters is cyclical and not linear.
17:26 Inflation creates them, it comes from the untrue or an interaction between two strings, and I would think the last one was simply to make it non-transferable or impossible to obtain.
The unobservable is inexplicable.
Quantum field probabilities have awareness (subjective?) of the future? Which quantum probabilistic future becomes the present when measured (free will?)?
Measurements from quantum field probabilities as free will; quantum probabilities have awareness; quantum field / wave function with consciousness?
Could a quantum field / wave function start from infinitesimal zero point of time? When zero point of time has enough energy (from uncertainty), a quantum field can propagate? A large enough energy fluctuation of zero point time can start quantum field(s) of universe?
Zero point energy exists in all matter by means of longitudinal wave interferometry caused by infinite nondestructive charge collapse… aka gravity…. time is simply defined by the rate of that rotating charge.
Like mutations, the laws of physics were random until this survivable permutation, in which we find ourselfs, occured. All "parallel" universes withered on the vine.
We’re going to put huge steps to start to find unknown, and a big windows opening in front of us!
Cosmos rtymology:osmos (n.)
c. 1200, "the universe, the world" (but not popular until 1848, when it was taken as the English equivalent to Humboldt's Kosmos in translations from German), from Latinized form of Greek kosmos "order, good order, orderly arrangement," a word with several main senses rooted in those notions: The verb kosmein meant generally "to dispose, prepare," but especially "to order and arrange (troops for battle), to set (an army) in array;" also "to establish (a government or regime);" "to deck, adorn, equip, dress" (especially of women). Thus kosmos had an important secondary sense of "ornaments of a woman's dress, decoration" (compare kosmokomes "dressing the hair," and cosmetic) as well as "the universe, the world."
In short: It is a vague generalisation as are all universals.
Human mind / consciousness discovers planets around stars, in galaxies, expansion of universe, maybe part of multiverse? Is there consciousness (mind?) throughout and even beyond physical nature?
Laws of physics correspond a set functions with cardinality aleph2. A set of infinite universes has cardinality aleph_0. These cannot ne matched one to one even if there exist infinite universes. A single universe or an infinite number of universes is not essentially different. Both cover a subset of measure zero .
We’re here to help each other’s to go forward, if we stopped, everything stop as a result, and each stop cost us time’s
Wow Barry! 👀
It sounds like when you wanna say something difficult to bs someone
Do quantum fields have anything to do with entropy, going from order to disorder, since entropy goes along with arrow of time?
If universe from measurement (free will?) of quantum field probabilities, then universe began from the future? Before the universe started 13.8 billion years ago, the universe was future?
Does the past and future meeting in human present have significance for universe?
Might energy component of quantum wave function interact with time component to form (square) into quantum field probabilities?
To test beyond observable universe, would need faster than speed of light data, maybe from quantum entanglement and superposition, or cosmological constant / dark energy?
That which cannot be observed--directly or indirectly--cannot be explained.
The future is today leading tomorrow
Excited by the prospect of The Philosophy of Cosmos. But disappointed yet again, Robert, to hear seasoned academics still unable to grasp some simple truths. The words Time and Space have multiple meanings (the dimension, the collective noun etc)...differentiate or else confuse. Time merely references change, Space merely references spatial position. Change and position...they are not complex.
Energy differential causes change. Energy/Matter causes spatial positioning. Energy and matter are fundamental, not Space and Time.
And its not one arrow of Time, but quintillions of individual arrows of change. Observe! Look around!
Why do you not press them on these profound, basic errors?
Are you not yet bored by hearing the same circular confusion over and over again by multiple academics all stuck in the same trap??? They've been going nowhere for decades! Help them!
We need a different term for "time" in order to distinguish it's physical meaning from humans' naïve perception of it.
It’s all dependent on expanding electrons. Micro to macro. “The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy “, Mark McCutcheon a good start.
B.S.
Might the galaxies centered on great Attractor have slightly different physical constants and laws of nature than galaxies centered on other superclusters, such as Shapley? Is there a way to measure physical constants and laws of nature for different galaxy super duper clusters?
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Could free will measurement of quantum field(s) start universe?
The reason why humans are special in the universe is because we alone have the ability to project the future. The better the understanding of the universe, the more accurate the projections for the future. The objective is to project well enough to plan ahead for contingencies. The reason why the Titanic failed is because the people failed to account for all possible contingencies. A memory of future events requires the ability to travel non-linearly. Knowledge of the future is proved by understanding the universe, but it's not a memory. It's an expectation derived from an understanding that the universe does not alter itself so quickly as to prevent you from knowing what to expect in the future from your understanding of the past and the actions you take in the present. When you think about it, past, present and future are really irrelevant. The universe is always entirely as you exerience it in your mind or brain. Knowledge is confirmed by reality, but the future is not guaranteed. It's mostly dependent upon how and what we wish to experience.
We don't even fully understand other animals minds. Let alone other possible life elsewhere. I don't feel humans are central.
@@starry2006 Yes! I'm not interested in minds, only the brain. The brain is where all the universe is contained. The brain is why you see, smell, hear, and touch! Animal brains are inferior to my brain. I don't need to understand their experience of the universe to know this fact. Alien brains are irrelevant. I don't have any expectation to converse with an alien intellect. Humans are responsible for validating the existence of the universe irrespective of whether the universe has created a comparable brain elsewhere. Everywhere in the universe is the center!
I haven't watch the video yet. I wonder if the philosophy of comology will change my perspective. Firstly, cosmology is not with philosophy. Philosophy is the product of consciousness and experience. There are 5 forces in the universe. The vast majority of the universe has present 4 forces. The 5th force is very rare, but it has the power to control the course of history. The other four forces are in a tenuous balance which will result in the expiration of them as forces and the universe as a whole. The 5th force, has limited opportunity to expand, but is the only force which will defy the natural course of the universe's life span. However, this force is fleeting, so the reality will likely be one where all the forces are lost because the 5th force failed to recognize itself as the most formidable force in the universe. Indeed, the purpose for the universe which also validated the existence of the universe dies before the other 4 forces.
Dude, if you’re going to shoot outside, don’t do it under a tree full of the world’s angriest cicadas. Audio 101 y’all.
Those who say law also say legisla-tor!!! Qui dit loi, dit legislateur!
0D = (point) non-composite substance
1D = line, straight; composite substance; two points
Nano-particle = still particle
Nano-material = still material
"Point particle" = "non-composite... composite substance"; contradiction (Check Your Premise)
0D (point) is exact location only; zero size; not a 'thing', not a 'part'; Monad
"He is the invisible Spirit, of whom it is not right to think of him as a god, or something similar. For he is more than a god, since there is nothing above him, for no one lords it over him. For he does not exist in something inferior to him, since everything exists in him. For it is he who establishes himself. He is eternal, since he does not need anything. For he is total perfection. A being can have a relationship with a God but not the Monad as that would be a contradiction."
- The Apocryphon of John, 180 AD.
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The Philosophy of the Cosmology is to build a bridge ; between Earth and Heaven ?
What the hell is heaven???
Why is there not a Darwinism concept of fine tuning? Life always finds a way?
Natural selection can be observed and explained, but cannot be reduced to mathematical form. Not all physical processes can be mathematically expressed.
No multiverse.
18:00 "...the physicists by and large don't like the last one (intelligent design) because it takes them outside the domain of physics." It's not at all that physicists don't like it, it is the simple fact that there is zero evidence for the idea of a designer. Furthermore, the idea of a designer would never even occur outside of a purely religious context, you need religion to step in here to make such a suggestion where no evidence would suggest it. He then goes on 18:05 "...their (physicists) assumption is that physical causation is the only causation at work in the universe. Now, that is manifestly a false statement within the universe." I don't think I've ever seen a more perfect example of someone's face betraying that they do not actually believe what they are saying, yet are desperately hope you will take this assumption as undeniable fact. That glance over at the interviewer at the moment he says "false" admits everything about what he really feels.
Interestingly enough; zero means self. 🙏
I totally disagree with both statements.
everything I learned in science suggests a designer. that is why many scientists are believers whether they are religious or not , just like Max Planck , Albert Einstein and Sir Isaac Newton.
2. the belief that everything has a physical causation is wrong. materialism has already been debunked according to quantum mechanics. the ultimate observer, superposition, collapse of the wave function, delayed choice quantum eraser experiment.
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"There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the "particle" of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force is the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the MATRIX of all matter." - Max Planck, Father of Quantum Physics
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"Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of the universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man." - most famous physicist and philosopher Albert Einstein
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"This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being." - Sir Isaac Newton
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"If quantum mechanics hasn’t profoundly shocked you, you haven’t understood it yet. Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real.” - Niels Bohr, a Danish Physicist
Some evidences suggesting intelligent design: (Simulated Universe)
Our universe is made up of these elements :
1. Reality is made up of Information,
Mathematics is everywhere .
Symbols everywhere . Meaning is subjective , it requires a choice by a conscious being .
2. Causality Loops , Time is an illusion . (All of time) Every moment in time exists all the time . The universe is like a single DVD movie , the beginning , the middle , and the end of the story are all inside the disk .
3. Non-deterministic universe, We have free will because of our consciousness to decide as proven by the modified double-slit experiment (delayed-choice quantum eraser).
4. Cosmic Consciousness , placebo effect, Mind over matter , double-slit experiment . A conscious entity capable of generating information by observing. Matter doesn't exist until we observe it . (Frank Wilczek)
5. Quantized universe , Pixelation (Werner Heisenberg - Matrix Theory) planck length and planck time .
6. E8 Crystal Lattice shape of the fundamental particles in 8 Dimensions , when projected as 4D becomes 2 shapes in different sizes with a Ratio of 0.618 ,
7. Golden Ratio and Fibonacci Sequence existing everywhere in the universe from quantum Scale to Celestial Scale .
Conclusion:
1. Universal Collective Consciousness or Cosmic Consciousness coined by Dr. Michio Kaku . Our body is a collection of microbes (microbiome) with a single collective consciousness. Electrons and Quarks self-organize into 81 stable atoms to become self-aware into human consciousness . There is no upper limit on the number of atoms and energy to self-organize and become self-aware, therefore the earth could also be conscious (Gaia Hypothesis)
2. Our universe is a code-based Simulation in a super computer in another universe . (Dr. Sylvester James Gates Jr.)
@@dongshengdi773 Not a single thing you've typed out is true, though. From lying about Einstein being religious (he definitely wasn't and he says so often in his writings, ever read them?) to asserting the fundamental nature of reality is information (we assign numbers to reality, even Max Tegmark wouldn't take the stance reality IS information and he "wrote the book" on this topic). You're just regurgitating some power points you've come across on the internet which I've heard a thousand times before and has all been well debunked. You recycled someone else's words. I've been doing this a long time. You've hard-lined yourself into all these silly beliefs that no serious or honest thinker would attach themself to.
@@dongshengdi773 There is a* designer alright. (* one).
I disagree with David because there have been many prophets who knew the future such as Jesus, the hermi prophecy, Nostradamus and on n on.
The inevitable truth is that one day everyone will leave this place called the world!
Have you prepare for the next world which neither philosopher no scientist has any idea about it?
Really now, where did you arrive at that strange idea?
NO . God doesn't play dice with the Universe
What's the philosophy of your mom?
This channel is very suspect. They are pushing a point
I don't think there is any mystery about Kuhn's faith. He is one of those rare faithful who has an open mind.
What's Philosophy of Cosmology?
Answer: It's philosophy, which means it is not limited to any basis in reality or evidence. It's just thought experiments and "what if's". And for many, it's the philosophy of looking for gaps for God to live in.
And "looking for gaps for God to live in" is fraught with improbabilities and lousy speculations. "Looking for the God of the gaps": it's what people really unqualified to discuss scientific topics resort to when they can't provide any answers - such as most fundamentalist religious types.
@@Trev0r98 They rely on one idea pretty heavily "you don't know all that is knowable, so it's possible that God occupies some of that unknown region of all that is knowable.." Makes my head hurt.
@@avi8r66 "...so it's possible that God occupies some of that unknown region of all that is knowable" If someone can apprehend the set of "all that is knowable" then an "unknown region" is not a subset of it. In other words, there would be no "unknown regions".
@@Trev0r98 All that is known is a subset of all that is knowable. The rest is just the unknown. But, if they play those word games I focus on the bible defined God character, which cannot exist as defined, and even if it does that character is a monster unworthy of our adoration and worship.