This was fascinating to watch - going in depth to minor powers in ancient Greece adds so much greater context to the power struggles and culture of the time
Badass! I've been in such a 'Peloponnesian war' kick lately. Just picked up Assassin's Creed: Odyssey. Gameplay-wise it's pretty pedestrian - you can tell the devs took intensive notes on how and why The Witcher: III was such a big hit but I feel like they focused on the gloss and the paint-job and totally misunderstood why that game was a breath of fresh air when it was released. One thing they knocked out of the park though was the architectural design and a general 'feel' for the popular perception of that specific time and place - it makes you want to go learn the truth behind the presentation, which was always that series' main strength to me. Knowing a bit about the subject, it is especially jarring when things just don't add up with the record, though.
That game is awesome! The gameplay is always secondary in AC games. The set and setting is why we play them. I’m glad they paid such attention to detail in that game
The main eastern city of ‘ Samos ‘ originally up until now was called Bathy which comes from the Greek word deep due to the depth of the naturally formed harbour there . Also the cultural centre was in the southern part in Ireo and pythagorio. Some historians believe that most of the Greek trade went through Bathy but the Egyptian trade came through the south . Lovely video nonetheless, great work !
@@HxH2011DRA I recently found a channel that is currently making a series about ancient Greek philosophy, and it's good quality stuff! th-cam.com/channels/Z3lg07Hnd58wHSi5xrjc3g.html
Fire. Ive always been interested in Samo's success and wealth. On a similar note, the game assassin's creed odyssey recreates the city and does a fantastic job in doing so.
Great video and its appreciated. I do have two issues with the narrative though in the beginning. First, though there is a city on Samos currently( renamed Samos City in 1958 )that you showed on your map on the NorthEast, this is still widely known by the locals as Vathy and is NOT the ancient city of Samos where Polykrates lived. That city is now Pythagorion. Pythagoiron or Pithagorion is the site of the Samos city that is being referred to in archaic Greece. This in on the east as well but it's the SouthEast. Secondly, and I'm nit picking, but it is indeed amazingly close to Turkey from the east coast and there is even a little island in middle of Mycale strait where you think certainly someone could swim to, but it is impossible due to the North to South current in the strait and they would be swept out to sea and drown.
fascinating how hedonism and cynicism went through the same distortion of their primal meanings for something less politically strong... hedonism of Epicurus was like a critic of the greed so of the wealthiers..changed into a cult of luxury it became less armfull to the powerfull ! in parallele , cynicism of Diogene was a mockery of the powerfull (he mocked Socrates and Alexander according to sources)..it has been changed into simple sarcasms through times..again less politically subersive...it shows how the war on words is meaningfull !
@@anon2427 , read Diogenes Laerce about greek philosophers, the pages on Diogenes of Cyzicus and his disciples : the Cynics. Diogenes the Cynical was a humanist : anti-war, anti-slavery,anti death penalty, anti-sophistry ( even the one from the smug Plato who saw himself better than Protagoras and other demagogues ), antimaterialist may be even against consumerism in the anecdote of the kid drinkning in his hands ). he was an advocate for moderation , very wise whatever the topic. peace , happy new year 2022 😄
@@redcapetimetraveler7688 anti-materialism was common back then, especially idealism. Atomic materialism is cancer. I don’t see much value in most of the other positions of his you listed (except for anti-slavery, owning other humans is wrong)
Sleep or Greek Island rule video? it is your channel but wish you'd focus more on the Byzantine emperors rather than the US elections, which pertains only to your country .... $0.02
I am going to Samos this summer and wanted to watch a video what to do there and I find my man Thersites with a video. Awesome!
This was fascinating to watch - going in depth to minor powers in ancient Greece adds so much greater context to the power struggles and culture of the time
Great lecture! Love hearing Greek history from the archaic age. Its just not talked about enough.
Badass! I've been in such a 'Peloponnesian war' kick lately.
Just picked up Assassin's Creed: Odyssey. Gameplay-wise it's pretty pedestrian - you can tell the devs took intensive notes on how and why The Witcher: III was such a big hit but I feel like they focused on the gloss and the paint-job and totally misunderstood why that game was a breath of fresh air when it was released.
One thing they knocked out of the park though was the architectural design and a general 'feel' for the popular perception of that specific time and place - it makes you want to go learn the truth behind the presentation, which was always that series' main strength to me. Knowing a bit about the subject, it is especially jarring when things just don't add up with the record, though.
That game is awesome! The gameplay is always secondary in AC games. The set and setting is why we play them. I’m glad they paid such attention to detail in that game
Please make more city/ citystate videos again!
Great content!
love your channel bro
The main eastern city of ‘ Samos ‘ originally up until now was called Bathy which comes from the Greek word deep due to the depth of the naturally formed harbour there . Also the cultural centre was in the southern part in Ireo and pythagorio. Some historians believe that most of the Greek trade went through Bathy but the Egyptian trade came through the south .
Lovely video nonetheless, great work !
Awesome video as always.
As an Epicurean myself I took great interest in that section, could you perhaps upload it as a seperate clip?
Perhaps. One day, I'd like to do primers for the major Greek philosophers.
@@ThersitestheHistorian That'd be quite neat~
@@HxH2011DRA I recently found a channel that is currently making a series about ancient Greek philosophy, and it's good quality stuff!
th-cam.com/channels/Z3lg07Hnd58wHSi5xrjc3g.html
@@constantinosstylianou Looks real interesting, thanks for the link! Will check out!
Fire. Ive always been interested in Samo's success and wealth. On a similar note, the game assassin's creed odyssey recreates the city and does a fantastic job in doing so.
Great video !
Great video and its appreciated. I do have two issues with the narrative though in the beginning. First, though there is a city on Samos currently( renamed Samos City in 1958 )that you showed on your map on the NorthEast, this is still widely known by the locals as Vathy and is NOT the ancient city of Samos where Polykrates lived. That city is now Pythagorion. Pythagoiron or Pithagorion is the site of the Samos city that is being referred to in archaic Greece. This in on the east as well but it's the SouthEast.
Secondly, and I'm nit picking, but it is indeed amazingly close to Turkey from the east coast and there is even a little island in middle of Mycale strait where you think certainly someone could swim to, but it is impossible due to the North to South current in the strait and they would be swept out to sea and drown.
I love this channel
where is the translation of ibycus 286 from? ("but for me love sleeps at no season... 40:06 ). is it yours?
fascinating how hedonism and cynicism went through the same distortion of their primal meanings for something less politically strong...
hedonism of Epicurus was like a critic of the greed so of the wealthiers..changed into a cult of luxury it became less armfull to the powerfull !
in parallele , cynicism of Diogene was a mockery of the powerfull (he mocked Socrates and Alexander according to sources)..it has been changed into simple sarcasms through times..again less politically subersive...it shows how the war on words is meaningfull !
Indeed, quite sad honestly, but lucky if one is so inclined they can still find the truth of these thinkers
Materialism is antithetical to virtue. Diogenes was right about that at least
@@anon2427 , read Diogenes Laerce about greek philosophers, the pages on Diogenes of Cyzicus and his disciples : the Cynics.
Diogenes the Cynical was a humanist : anti-war, anti-slavery,anti death penalty, anti-sophistry ( even the one from the smug Plato who saw himself better than Protagoras and other demagogues ), antimaterialist may be even against consumerism in the anecdote of the kid drinkning in his hands ). he was an advocate for moderation , very wise whatever the topic. peace , happy new year 2022 😄
@@redcapetimetraveler7688 anti-materialism was common back then, especially idealism. Atomic materialism is cancer. I don’t see much value in most of the other positions of his you listed (except for anti-slavery, owning other humans is wrong)
@@redcapetimetraveler7688 humanism has created so much more problems for us than it’s solved long term. I see even less value in his ideas now
The pronunciation is sah-mose
Why can't you tell people from Samos apart?...They all look the Samian..
Sleep or Greek Island rule video? it is your channel but wish you'd focus more on the Byzantine emperors rather than the US elections, which pertains only to your country .... $0.02
US elections do affect the whole world though.
@@jessefisher1809 definitely ... but this is supposed to be a history channel as indicated In the name
@@metarus208 History isnt just the distant past, its also the more recent past.
Samos samold