I had the pleasure of working in the excavation of Helike for the last month and its still yielding artifacts of massive interest (Stuff which im not allowed to mention just yet 😉 ). However with the rules the Greek government has for archaeological excavations there is only a finite amount of digging that can be done every year. All im gonna say about what we found this year is that sometime in the coming year it will be published and there is a LOT of stuff in the lab at Helike just waiting for the next publication.
Regardless of the comparison with Atlantis, this is an amazing discovery and it gives an unique window into that part of history. First of all I was impressed with the accuracy of the ancient historians, and how well they documented this event. Second of all, I keep thinking about those poor people and what their reaction must have been when the earth started to liquefy under them.
They are bad historians. This city was destroyed when Plato was 60 years old and is only 40 miles from Athens. He wrote about Atlantis only 10 years after it was destroyed. Do you think he was mistaken? The greatest mind in history thought the town next door was a 10,000 year old civilization?
This is a really nicely produced piece. However, there is archaeological evidence that Troy existed and was besieged by the Greeks. Because the shoreline has retreated from Troy’s location by about 4 or 5 miles, it wasn’t discovered by archaeologists until relatively recently. So, Troy is not a “myth.”
@fleetskipper1810 When I was getting my B.A. in anthropology, my professors kept emphasizing that myths are always based on actual events - you have to take myths seriously, but with a grain of salt. Be prepared to make mistakes & don't let your ego get the better of you. Many scientists have very fragile egos & because of this, they don't like to admit they were wrong, thus preventing big discoveries like Troy. Oh, & BTW, a few years after I graduated with my B.A., then had to drop out of grad school to pay back my student loan, I'd been going to a psychiatrist for depression & anxiety (no surprise, since I couldn't finish my M.A. & Ph.D.) for meds & a psychologist for counseling. I once told the psychologist that all myths are based on actual events, & he immediately said: "No, they're not." I think he thought I was exhibiting "magical thinking", which is a common catchphrase shrinks use when one of their patients tries to think outside the box. He probably thought I was psychotic & was trying to get me to see that what I believed was all in my head. 🙄🙄🙄🙄I I was SO vindicated when archaeologists finally found Troy that if I'd remembered that a$$hole's name, I would've called him up & said: "Didn't you once tell me that myths were just fairytales & weren't based on facts? That's the mentality we're up against.
I don't think the video is claiming that the City of Troy is a myth, but rather that the story of the horse is. Whereas hard archaeology can show that Troy actually existed, we'll never know how factual the story about the horse is. I would have used the term "legend" to describe the story, but they chose "myth".
Interesting. Regardless, I love all the archeological discoveries. Must be a great feeling to pull something from the dirt that hasn’t been touched by human hands in perhaps thousands of years
Then why is Plato’s account the only one that exists? You also seem to forget that Plato wrote about a conversation between Solon and Croesus, even though they lived 300 years apart.
@@Ibnafrika If it was Egyptian history, it would have been noted in Egypt somewhere. Plato's third-hand account wouldn't be the only source of the story.
So, Socrates died in 399 BC, and our only evidence for "Atlantis" is a platonic dialogue with Socrates, Timaeus, and Critias. If we are going to pretend that the dialogue is a true report, then it had to have happened 25-30 years BEFORE Helike sank. So explain to me how Helike could be Atlantis?
The only similarities is that it was an advanced civilization that disappeared beneath the waves. I am not a scholar. I just read a lot. Atlantis while a myth, it does not match up with this city. Myth just mean no one alive saw it. I am sure in another 1000 yrs, many of today's knows will be called myths.
It all could be related, perhaps ... Helike, Atlantis, Santorini, all could have been taken down together ... or even when Vesuvius blew up, and took Pompei and Herculaneum, they are side by side countries. Who knows ?
Atlantian time age was 5k years before the egyptian. Egypt time age was like 5k years from now. (And if you would read the scrolls of thoth.. you would know they went from atlantis to egypt) So yeah this docu makes less sense to me to..
Helike /= Atlantis ... other than "city covered by water" there are nearly no other similarities in the story. Also, the story of the destruction of Atlantis pre-dates even the Egyptians.
If you were playing a drinking game while watching this, and the key phrase was, “Could Helike be Atlantis??,” everybody would be on the floor after 30 minutes.
Archaeologists are constant in never letting modern science get in the way of their theories; like looking in the sea for land hit by a tsunami, tsunami's don't raise sea levels usually, or looking for a pristine city that had been scoured by the sea.
An interesting documentary on Helike marred by silly comparisons with Atlantis, why? So Helike was hit by a tsunamis in 373 BC but even the. story of Atlantis is credited to Solon circa 590 BC reporting events far older. Helike is in Greece, Atlantis is in the Atlantic, with herds of elephant and a dozen other features entirely irreconcilable with Helike, Coto de Doñana or Crete etc etc. Just read the damn texts. History is already fascinating and precious without being vandalised with such nonsense.
Part way thru the video, the link to Atlantis was discontinued. The title interested me due to my curiosity about Atlantis. The interesting story kept my attention to Helike, and I may not have watched it w/o the Atlantis mention.
It's amazing how you all completely miss the point here. No one here is saying Helike IS Atlantis. The idea is that Helike INSPIRED Atlantis. Plato first included references to Atlantis in his works in the 360s BCE, right after Helike was destroyed. Isn't that an amazing coincidence? Obviously, Atlantis was never meant to be anything more than a fictional city to be mentioned in the equally fictional dialogues Plato wrote, and this fictional city was inspired by the real world city of Helike. Why did Plato use a fictional city of Atlantis instead of real world Helike? Because his fictional dialogue was set in the time of Solon, obviously long before Helike was destroyed, including Helike there would have been a massive anachronism. So Plato made up another city sunk beneath the waves, Atlantis, and used it to teach the same kind of moral lessons his contemporaries drew from the destruction of Helike. Helike is not Atlantis. Helike is what proves Atlantis is a fictional place created by Plato.
@@frankvandorp9732 .The notion that Atlantis is a work of fiction is absurd. Nothing about the way it is written suggests that nor is there any evidence that such a genre of literature even existed and instead Plato goes to considerable lengths to explain where it came from. That's not fiction. The explicit prologue and the many fine details clearly serve no moral/fictional function - they are just facts. I don't know how anyone can actually read it and still repeat this silly nonsense. The scale of the disaster clearly isn't "inspired by" Santorini, Helike or anywhere else but ties up almost exactly with the mega tidal wave that hit north western Europe at the end of the Ice Age - which is now proven fact.
Nope! I somehow just knew the Richat Structure is the location. I noticed the striations from the Mediterranean across Northern Africa down through to the Antarctic Ocean on satellite ages ago. Then Jimmy from Bright Insight posted the question with much investigation and he confirmed it in my mind. The white, red and black rocks, fresh water in the middle island, surrounded by the concentric circles of salt water, the measurements of the circles, the mountains to the North, what appears to be millions of tonnes of debris off the coast of Mauritania flowing in the direction of the striations and so much more. The thing is, these “scholars” are almost always restricted by the narrative created by academia and can never stray too far from their story. We all know of how human civilisation was no older than the time of Mesopotamia (people’s lives were ruined by academia if they said anything different). Then, Gobekli Tepe came along, 5000 years older. Far too vast to be constructed by hunter gatherers as was stated for some time by the “Educated” until it became so obvious it was an absolutely idiotic statement! We need these scholars, but they absolutely have to acknowledge that they only know about what they have found, not what they may discover in the future. Theories are just theories and every single one of them need to understand that evidence makes those theories void if not supported by the new discoveries.
@@wisammoeali indeed!! What happened to the "Beyond Hercule's pillars"??? Selike doesn't come even close to those that are situated near the Gibraltar strait!
@@classesanytime I agree with you, I read a lot about this issue I concluded that most people are trying to avoid being accused of pseudoscience adoption. till they find an evidence that suits mainstream archeology
Plato knew helike. It's also just not old enough . Many old cities in that part of the world have been eaten by the ocean. Doesn't make any of them Atlantis!
Exactly!!! elike would be destroyed while Plato is still alive also others would know it as well so no one would buy his tale also he stated that he got the tale from Solon who lived almost 200 years earlier(187) than elike-s destruction this "Documentary" is horseshit also it's nothing like atlantis was described and what she found at best an odler settlement with a few houses not a city.... with a temple of poseidon.... where is the temple??? And tempels weren't tiny where are the columns :,D no greek temple were made a row (or multiple row) of ornate pillars.
You don't get it, no one is saying Helike IS Atlantis. Helike is what inspired Plato to create the fictional tale of Atlantis. Plato knew Helike, and suddenly, right after Helike was destroyed, he started including references about another city lost between the waves into his fictional dialogues. It's not hard to connect the dots there.
@@maszkalman3676 " no one would buy his tale also he stated that he got the tale from Solon who lived almost 200 years earlier" It's called fiction. No one needed to "buy" his tale, because he never intended to pass it off as real history in the first place. Plato and his contemporaries were shocked by the destruction of Helike, and Plato drew upon those experiences to invent another fictional city that sank beneath the waves, Atlantis. Obviously, because his fictional dialogue was set in the past in the time of Solon, he couldn't have used Helike itself, that still existed in the time of Solon. So he invented a fictional city.
@@Joanna-il2ur that is false. The Greek name for the same monster was Ketos, or in latin, Cetus, and it was was a monster of tremendous size and power in greek mythology. Of course in the Perseus myth, Keypheos and Queen Kassiopoeia were of Ethiopia. Ironically Cetus is the current scientific name for the genus of cetaceans (whales, dolphins etc) , and various toothed cetaceans like Sperm Whales and Orcas have been known to be aggressive toward humans in antiquity, so it is possible that Ketos was a sperm whale, which might explain what the "Head of Medusa" was: a giant squid, which is known to battle toothed whales and will prey on porpoises. However that analogy may just be projecting modern understanding onto an old myth
@@m1k3droid Yep. I know the myth although some place her at Jaffa. Still no idea what that has to do with Atlantis. Or the movie, where they imported the kraken.
That's just wrong, Plato was born in 427 BCE and died in 348 BCE, so in 373 BCE, when Helike was destroyed, Plato was 54 years old. Both Timaeus and Critias, the oldest mentions of Atlantis, were written by Plato after that point, around 360 BCE. Plato almost certainly was aware of the destruction of Helike in his own time, and it could very well have inspired his fictional lost city of Atlantis.
Bright Mind! Copy of my comment: 🌊 "Atlantis is not myth, the location has been found": Atlantis, as described by Plato, is now strongly theorized to be "the Eye of the Sahara". It supports Plato's description on each point. As time and Climate Change took place, the Sahara, once a lush green plane of vegetations, lakes, people, and animals, the area became desert, and the arrid climate evaporated the water, leaving a variety of finds throughout the vast desert. The "Eye of the Sahara is back draped by the Atlas Mountains, its rings observable, wirh scattered remains of red, white, and black stones. Artifacts would be rare, as the water would havw carried them in various directions. Landscapes change over tume but Lidar allows us to see the dry lake beds and water routes, and one that leads into the circular features of this location. Although I feel Atlantis was a far wider reaching Civilization, one that encompassed a variety of Islands, very possibly including the Atlantic Ridge, and even stretching west to areas of the Americas, I've really little doubt that the "Eye of the Sahara" is the location of Plato's description and over time had come to serve as the Capital of Atlantis, the Civilization's point or orgin and its "Washington DC". 🔺In time this will be validated, slow due to "Mainstream Academics" Egos and resistance. 🔺In time "Mainstream Academia" and their "19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline" will be replaced by "Authentic Academia" whom adhere to the "Standards of Science and Research" which prohibits using a Theory as Fact, and we will have Freedom of Thought, for Exploration and Discoveries. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian (an "Authentic Academic")
Fascinating. It's too bad sea levels are rising again. There's so much that could be discovered that's just under the waves around our current coastlines, but most of it will be lost forever since underwater archaeology is so difficult and expensive.
I agree, it's tragic that we are on the trend of losing grounds to explore rather than gaining them, but we still are developing new technologies to explore what is hidden both on land & beneath the sea. I have hopes for these technologies answering many of the questions we have now. Unfortunately, as far as excavations go to get into the minuet details of the sites, that's unlikely to occur in our lifetimes. Then again, even when the climate shifts to a new ice age, most of these archaeological sites in the Northern hemisphere will be ground to mud by glaciation. Whether our species will survive that long, survive whatever causes the start of an Ice Age or still reside on this planet is hard for us to know at this point.
Atlantis was supposed to have existed in 9,600 BC according to Plato. How could *any* city from the classical period be Atlantis? Unless what they mean is the event that inspired the Atlantis story...considering the volcanic activity of the area I'm not surprized there would be archaeological evidence of destroyed cities from throughout the mediterranean.
Its un undisputable fact that the LUNAR calendar of the Sais priest that talked to Solon the year was one month , that makes the time period of Atlantis 1328BC . Νήσος Island in Greek = Island , peninsula , cost and land area in contact with springs lake or river.
The area is very popular for earthquake activity and more cities have vanished because of tidal waves created by earthquakes. Korinth has been destroyed a few times, last one being just over 100 years ago.
It seems with the name Atlantis, Atlantis should be in the Atlantic ocean. I favor theories placing Atlantis near the MidAtlantic trench and mountain range, a very volitile region where the continental plates are separating. An island could have sunk, tsamies abound. As the glaciers melt glacial lakes could be freed and massive calfing took place. The oceans were also rizing.
Do you accept the discoveries of Ron Wyatt? I find them more interesting. Do you think that if Poseidon is the Greek equivalent of the Minoan Dagon that the Greek Government is not going to put a lid on any archeological findings that vilify Minoan religious practice?
Too bad that the tale of atlantis wasn't came from Plato it come from Solon who herd it from someone who(Solon) lived from c. 630 - c. 560 BC which is 187 years earlier than helike supposedly disappeared in 373 BC. Also the palce helike would be isn't match the palce where Solon said it would be at all also Helike is a city isn't a continent snanning empire. So no helike isn't atlantis also Plato(n) lived from 424/423 - 348/347 BC so helike would still exist in his lifetime.... quite shoddy 0 facts "documentary".
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That's why I think it is the eye of Africa it's not west but Plato never said west. Plus a Roman map shows Atlantis people at the eye of Africa. Mountains to the north same size frash water in the center. Same kind of rocks and mining materials.
Atlantis (island of Atlas) is a fictional island mentioned in Plato's works Timaeus and Critias as part of an allegory on the hubris of nations. It was presented as an advanced civilization that went too far in its greed, provoking the wrath of the gods who erased Atlantis from the face of the earth in one day and one night. It was a warning to the leaders of Athens. Sometimes an allegory is just an allegory.
Prove that it's fictional... There is a site in Africa that was at sea level at the time of Atlantis and matches the discription almost 100% as well as the isolated local native population having the same historical mythos as the kingdom of Atlantis down to incredible detail. It is the only site to match the major 10 or more major points that describe Atlantis. Many of those are very unique on their own. Let alone combined with more than two others. Some of the points are completley unique as far as we know and still shared by one single site in both the myth and the Eye of the Sahara. The only point that does not match is that they can't prove if any of the springs were warm or "hot" water springs, but they know the area was a giant volcanic formation so it very well could have had thermal activity at the time. While he used the end results of the story as a warning, that doesn't mean the city or the destruction was fictional.
@@RM-yf2lu It's almost as if conjumonblue6450 copied and pasted that comment out of an online textbook and never once considered vetting the information for themselves. Ah, our modern scholastic indoctrination system: where regurgitation of textbooks/woke liberalism/racism are the highest ideals, mixed into a cesspool with scientific facts--a place where critical thought and scientific method go to die and sheeple can't vet their uninspected worldview because the system encourages the deification of ignorant authority figures.
Not so fast Blue6450 .... I have visited Santorini, and it is a bloody big hole surrounded on the outskirts by fragments of the original island. Whether is was Atlantis, or not, it was a huge terrible explosion and island collapse, you wouldn't have wanted to be there. Ancient rumours and stories can be based in fact. It could have been an allegory too, but we really don't know.
No the iliad is a MYTH with all caps sinc eit was written as a play but contains real world events just films that says "based or real events" they are still fictional
The narrative of Atlantis is not the story of Heliki. There may be elements in common but it’s not the same story. The same can be said of Thera. For Atlantis, look for the presence of elephants mammoths, mastodons, etc. If these critters are present it may be Atlantis.
i think the atlantis theory was taken underhanded. it was not "cave" of heracles but "pillars" and those two are different. another is the architecture is far different, atlantis was stated that it has a three layered island with water in between and also advances of technology. this channel relate all sunken cities to atlantis like what they did on dogger land. if true then all the sunken cities in japan are then atlantis.
@@frankvandorp9732 I won't leave comments on videos that I do not watch. However, I'll admit that at the end when they go into credits or summaries, sometimes I will skip that part. Also, I skip any commercials.
@@archangel_one But you did not watch this video. Otherwise, you would have known your comment is dishonest and doesn't even resemble what the video actually stated.
It was informative and an excellent introduction documentary about the exploration of Ancient (Helike )..thank you respectful 🙏 ( Get.factual) documentary channel. For sharing this remarkable documentary..
It's a great investigation and history that doesn't need Atlantis dragged into it. Helike's connection to Atlantis is as close as my goldfishes' castle is. Perhaps we should be grateful that the narrator didn't mention Bigfoot and aliens here.
For Plato the destruction of Helike would have added credibility to the earlier accounts of the destruction of Santorini and the Minoan civilization that had resulted in the legend of Atlantis, giving him more details for his version.
Rumour has it, that it should be around the Baalkhan Peninsula. The Enchelei masons could build pyramids and "illuminate" them with some eels swimming around...
The ancient Greeks received their Art, architecture, philosophy, and their mathematics from Ancient Egyptians. As well as the story of the story of Atlantis. No?
Picture it: late Cretaceous… Atlanta is currently in the middle of the ocean. It has a Don’t Look Up situation… However some rich business dude really really really wanted that iridium… however their explosion went all Deep Impact… One hits Haiti the other Chicxulub… Atlanta drowns 🌊 #spirituality #atlantis #2Spirit
I thought Atlantis was a civilization, and a large island. Small continent, or even a subcontinent. Not a city! Reread what's been written by Plato. Location too is very NOT RIGHT!
Crete, and Santori is a perfect match for the capital. Hell, it's the biggest caldera 🌋 in the area, and the only one with a port city built right in the middle of it, just like Atlantis.
no, no question remains. if you're referring to atlantis, that was a no before the video even began. plato write it was in the atlantic west of gibralter, so no question remains. helike was never atlantis because helike was helike.
As soon as you go off on Atlantis, you lose me. I watched to tghe end anyway. Interesting. The liquefaction angle is a new one! Explains why the city sunk! I am surprised they didn't find human remains, since most of the city occupants would have been buried before they could escape.
Wait what... Atlantis at the time of the greek? This docu makes no sense to me. For those that read scrolls of thoth would know they traveled from atlantis to egypt. Egyptian times were +/-5k years ago.. Atlantis was 5k years before that. (So +/-10k years ago from now)
Why do people keep thinking that, if it existed, Atlantis was in the med? remains a stupid argument Plato placed the legendary island of Atlantis beyond the "Pillars of Hercules" alias Gibraltar, and what do we find there? an entire ocean with the same name.
Can you please show me where did Plato said such a thing? That Atlantis was beyond the pillars of Hercules. I have read it in 3 languages (one being Ancient Greek) and none says such a thing.
Didnt athens go to war with Atlantis? That part just a bit of fiction? I dont recall any war between Heliki. It also doesnt explain the beyond the pillars of Hercules etc. It was too central to be considered beyond unless we have the pillars of hercules totally wrong. This makes a very compelling case though I will have to look into Heleki a bit more.
Just because Atlantis has not been verified does not make it a myth. Coastal towns and cities can found all around the Mediterranean underwater. Europe once extended to Ireland, Doggerland was real.
If “the gods” destroyed Atlantis for corruption, and the vastly manifold corruption we’re facing is contrasted with it… WE are about to be buried by every known kind of catastrophy!!!
Plato was confused. He quoted the Pillars of Hercules but meant The cave of Hercules. Innocent mistake but one that makes the city impossible to locate
Atlantis is likely under 20 feet of mud in Spain cause by some natural incident. The area supported the symbols, all the mineral mining operations, and boat anchors of where the port was. This is a very interesting story on Helike.
Yes Jasmine you are right, it was somewhere in the Mediterranean between what is now Spain and Morocco and where we have the Atlas mountains in the regions of North Africa. It is no mystery, it is all in the words
Actually, it very likely has been found! Copy of my comment: 🌊 "Atlantis is not myth, the location has been found": Atlantis, as described by Plato, is now strongly theorized to be "the Eye of the Sahara". It supports Plato's description on each point. As time and Climate Change took place, the Sahara, once a lush green plane of vegetations, lakes, people, and animals, the area became desert, and the arrid climate evaporated the water, leaving a variety of finds throughout the vast desert. The "Eye of the Sahara is back draped by the Atlas Mountains, its rings observable, wirh scattered remains of red, white, and black stones. Artifacts would be rare, as the water would have carried them in various directions. Landscapes change over tume but Lidar allows us to see the dry lakebeds and water routes, and one that leads into the circular features of this location. Although I feel Atlantis was a far wider reaching Civilization, one that encompassed a variety of Islands, very possibly including the Atlantic Ridge, and even stretching west to areas of the Americas, I've really little doubt that the "Eye of the Sahara" is the location of Plato's description and over time had come to serve as the Capital of Atlantis, the Civilization's point or orgin and its "Washington DC". 🔺In time this will be validated, slow due to "Mainstream Academics" Egos and resistance. 🔺In time "Mainstream Academia" and their "19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline" will be replaced by "Authentic Academia" whom adhere to the "Standards of Science and Research" which prohibits using a Theory as Fact, and we will have Freedom of Thought, for Exploration and Discoveries. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian (an "Authentic Academic")
Apocalypse does not mean destruction. It means a Divine Revelation. As for Atlantis, "the island of Atlas," was undoubtably Crete where the royal house of Egypt moved to after the Exodus of 2447 BC.
Considering water levels are 400 feet higher than they were 10,000 years ago every single coastline has miles and miles of land that are now underwater that were once previously built on
Been scowering many text to see if there was another area of Heracles. The Cave of Hericles fits so much,thank you. Also, the mud. Too the ships which I had thought was a mistake by Plato for the Greek trimems which I believe were not in existance at the time of atlantis but her we have shipd,mud,a city under the sea, Think we need to relook at this. It has a plain. Anyway my 2 cents.(sorry,spell ck not working)
Why is it that there are so many guesstimate that Atlantis supposedly existed in so many different places around the globe and that none of these places are ever in the same spot?
The timeline plato gave that he had been passed down from solon and passed to solon from the high priests/historians of Egypt was 9600 bc. So no it wasn't 360 bc so it isn't atlantis the younger drias event happened around the same time that could be around the time the earth was struck by a comet on the Greenland ice shelf flash melting 2 miles thick ice causing worldwide devastation for many years to come. Many tsunamis have happened since but only one sank atlantis and that would now lay at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean where plato said it was.
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I had the pleasure of working in the excavation of Helike for the last month and its still yielding artifacts of massive interest (Stuff which im not allowed to mention just yet 😉 ). However with the rules the Greek government has for archaeological excavations there is only a finite amount of digging that can be done every year. All im gonna say about what we found this year is that sometime in the coming year it will be published and there is a LOT of stuff in the lab at Helike just waiting for the next publication.
Is there a website to follow what has already been excavated?
@@kf877 although the stuff we found this year might take a while to be published lol
Sounds like a perfect job. I can’t wait to hear what’s been found, maybe we can correct the timeline on civilisation on this planet finally?!
@@diocles1743 Thank You!
I hope it is the truth about Albanian ancestors that everyone likes to deny their existence 😢
Regardless of the comparison with Atlantis, this is an amazing discovery and it gives an unique window into that part of history.
First of all I was impressed with the accuracy of the ancient historians, and how well they documented this event.
Second of all, I keep thinking about those poor people and what their reaction must have been when the earth started to liquefy under them.
They are bad historians. This city was destroyed when Plato was 60 years old and is only 40 miles from Athens. He wrote about Atlantis only 10 years after it was destroyed. Do you think he was mistaken? The greatest mind in history thought the town next door was a 10,000 year old civilization?
This is a really nicely produced piece. However, there is archaeological evidence that Troy existed and was besieged by the Greeks. Because the shoreline has retreated from Troy’s location by about 4 or 5 miles, it wasn’t discovered by archaeologists until relatively recently. So, Troy is not a “myth.”
@fleetskipper1810 When I was getting my B.A. in anthropology, my professors kept emphasizing that myths are always based on actual events - you have to take myths seriously, but with a grain of salt. Be prepared to make mistakes & don't let your ego get the better of you. Many scientists have very fragile egos & because of this, they don't like to admit they were wrong, thus preventing big discoveries like Troy. Oh, & BTW, a few years after I graduated with my B.A., then had to drop out of grad school to pay back my student loan, I'd been going to a psychiatrist for depression & anxiety (no surprise, since I couldn't finish my M.A. & Ph.D.) for meds & a psychologist for counseling. I once told the psychologist that all myths are based on actual events, & he immediately said: "No, they're not." I think he thought I was exhibiting "magical thinking", which is a common catchphrase shrinks use when one of their patients tries to think outside the box. He probably thought I was psychotic & was trying to get me to see that what I believed was all in my head. 🙄🙄🙄🙄I I was SO vindicated when archaeologists finally found Troy that if I'd remembered that a$$hole's name, I would've called him up & said: "Didn't you once tell me that myths were just fairytales & weren't based on facts? That's the mentality we're up against.
I don't think the video is claiming that the City of Troy is a myth, but rather that the story of the horse is. Whereas hard archaeology can show that Troy actually existed, we'll never know how factual the story about the horse is. I would have used the term "legend" to describe the story, but they chose "myth".
But "Maria's COZY CORNER", ON NOTRE-DAME WAS NOT A MYTH, BUT A 99YEAR LEASE,
The story was a myth proven to be based on a real thing.
Homor's myth was.
Interesting. Regardless, I love all the archeological discoveries. Must be a great feeling to pull something from the dirt that hasn’t been touched by human hands in perhaps thousands of years
As far as I can remember this is the first time I've heard of this ancient city. This is an excellent documentary and I would like to know more.
Plato did not invent the myth of Atlantis, he was quoting Solon who in turn was quoting Egyptian High Priests.
Says you... What are your sources? Who told you that? Give us a clue!
Do you have any sources? I’m actually asking bc I’d be fascinated to know more if that’s true!
Then why is Plato’s account the only one that exists?
You also seem to forget that Plato wrote about a conversation between Solon and Croesus, even though they lived 300 years apart.
Thank you Faizan. It's amazing how many people shout 'prove it' when this is Ancient Egypt History 101.
@@Ibnafrika If it was Egyptian history, it would have been noted in Egypt somewhere. Plato's third-hand account wouldn't be the only source of the story.
So, Socrates died in 399 BC, and our only evidence for "Atlantis" is a platonic dialogue with Socrates, Timaeus, and Critias. If we are going to pretend that the dialogue is a true report, then it had to have happened 25-30 years BEFORE Helike sank. So explain to me how Helike could be Atlantis?
The only similarities is that it was an advanced civilization that disappeared beneath the waves. I am not a scholar. I just read a lot. Atlantis while a myth, it does not match up with this city. Myth just mean no one alive saw it. I am sure in another 1000 yrs, many of today's knows will be called myths.
I thought Solon was Pluto's Grandfather x 5?
It all could be related, perhaps ... Helike, Atlantis, Santorini, all could have been taken down together ... or even when Vesuvius blew up, and took Pompei and Herculaneum, they are side by side countries. Who knows ?
Atlantian time age was 5k years before the egyptian.
Egypt time age was like 5k years from now.
(And if you would read the scrolls of thoth.. you would know they went from atlantis to egypt)
So yeah this docu makes less sense to me to..
Indeed Atlantis is much older than a city around the greek times. This is only to poke up a story. Has nothing to do with Atlantis.
Helike /= Atlantis ... other than "city covered by water" there are nearly no other similarities in the story. Also, the story of the destruction of Atlantis pre-dates even the Egyptians.
If you were playing a drinking game while watching this, and the key phrase was, “Could Helike be Atlantis??,” everybody would be on the floor after 30 minutes.
Archaeologists are constant in never letting modern science get in the way of their theories; like looking in the sea for land hit by a tsunami, tsunami's don't raise sea levels usually, or looking for a pristine city that had been scoured by the sea.
An interesting documentary on Helike marred by silly comparisons with Atlantis, why? So Helike was hit by a tsunamis in 373 BC but even the. story of Atlantis is credited to Solon circa 590 BC reporting events far older. Helike is in Greece, Atlantis is in the Atlantic, with herds of elephant and a dozen other features entirely irreconcilable with Helike, Coto de Doñana or Crete etc etc. Just read the damn texts. History is already fascinating and precious without being vandalised with such nonsense.
Part way thru the video, the link to Atlantis was discontinued. The title interested me due to my curiosity about Atlantis. The interesting story kept my attention to Helike, and I may not have watched it w/o the Atlantis mention.
what i thought just to have attention for this docu@@mlight7402
It's amazing how you all completely miss the point here. No one here is saying Helike IS Atlantis. The idea is that Helike INSPIRED Atlantis. Plato first included references to Atlantis in his works in the 360s BCE, right after Helike was destroyed. Isn't that an amazing coincidence?
Obviously, Atlantis was never meant to be anything more than a fictional city to be mentioned in the equally fictional dialogues Plato wrote, and this fictional city was inspired by the real world city of Helike.
Why did Plato use a fictional city of Atlantis instead of real world Helike? Because his fictional dialogue was set in the time of Solon, obviously long before Helike was destroyed, including Helike there would have been a massive anachronism. So Plato made up another city sunk beneath the waves, Atlantis, and used it to teach the same kind of moral lessons his contemporaries drew from the destruction of Helike.
Helike is not Atlantis. Helike is what proves Atlantis is a fictional place created by Plato.
@@frankvandorp9732 .The notion that Atlantis is a work of fiction is absurd. Nothing about the way it is written suggests that nor is there any evidence that such a genre of literature even existed and instead Plato goes to considerable lengths to explain where it came from. That's not fiction. The explicit prologue and the many fine details clearly serve no moral/fictional function - they are just facts. I don't know how anyone can actually read it and still repeat this silly nonsense. The scale of the disaster clearly isn't "inspired by" Santorini, Helike or anywhere else but ties up almost exactly with the mega tidal wave that hit north western Europe at the end of the Ice Age - which is now proven fact.
Helike is NOT Atlantis. It's in the wrong place, wrong time and lacks the semi-circular structure of Atlantis.
Nope! I somehow just knew the Richat Structure is the location. I noticed the striations from the Mediterranean across Northern Africa down through to the Antarctic Ocean on satellite ages ago. Then Jimmy from Bright Insight posted the question with much investigation and he confirmed it in my mind. The white, red and black rocks, fresh water in the middle island, surrounded by the concentric circles of salt water, the measurements of the circles, the mountains to the North, what appears to be millions of tonnes of debris off the coast of Mauritania flowing in the direction of the striations and so much more.
The thing is, these “scholars” are almost always restricted by the narrative created by academia and can never stray too far from their story. We all know of how human civilisation was no older than the time of Mesopotamia (people’s lives were ruined by academia if they said anything different). Then, Gobekli Tepe came along, 5000 years older. Far too vast to be constructed by hunter gatherers as was stated for some time by the “Educated” until it became so obvious it was an absolutely idiotic statement!
We need these scholars, but they absolutely have to acknowledge that they only know about what they have found, not what they may discover in the future. Theories are just theories and every single one of them need to understand that evidence makes those theories void if not supported by the new discoveries.
Facts facts facts
What a fascinating documentary! I love how they presented the facts and added to the dramatic story of Helike’s demise 😎👏🏽
they did not talk in detail about Pluto's description and compare it to what they talking about ...
@@wisammoeali indeed!! What happened to the "Beyond Hercule's pillars"???
Selike doesn't come even close to those that are situated near the Gibraltar strait!
@@classesanytime I agree with you, I read a lot about this issue I concluded that most people are trying to avoid being accused of pseudoscience adoption. till they find an evidence that suits mainstream archeology
Schliemann would be spinning in his grave to have Troy still declared as a myth. Ever heard the name of Hislarik in Turkey?
They redefined myth with this woke hysteria.
Was Turkey around back then too? 😂😂😂😂
@@Zcrete55no, hisarlik, turkey of now was area of Troy back then
Pleasantly surprised by this video. Well done.
Thanks!
Plato knew helike. It's also just not old enough . Many old cities in that part of the world have been eaten by the ocean. Doesn't make any of them Atlantis!
Oh yes, many cities sunk beneath the waves.
Exactly!!! elike would be destroyed while Plato is still alive also others would know it as well so no one would buy his tale also he stated that he got the tale from Solon who lived almost 200 years earlier(187) than elike-s destruction this "Documentary" is horseshit also it's nothing like atlantis was described and what she found at best an odler settlement with a few houses not a city.... with a temple of poseidon.... where is the temple??? And tempels weren't tiny where are the columns :,D no greek temple were made a row (or multiple row) of ornate pillars.
What about shelike
You don't get it, no one is saying Helike IS Atlantis. Helike is what inspired Plato to create the fictional tale of Atlantis.
Plato knew Helike, and suddenly, right after Helike was destroyed, he started including references about another city lost between the waves into his fictional dialogues.
It's not hard to connect the dots there.
@@maszkalman3676 " no one would buy his tale also he stated that he got the tale from Solon who lived almost 200 years earlier"
It's called fiction. No one needed to "buy" his tale, because he never intended to pass it off as real history in the first place. Plato and his contemporaries were shocked by the destruction of Helike, and Plato drew upon those experiences to invent another fictional city that sank beneath the waves, Atlantis.
Obviously, because his fictional dialogue was set in the past in the time of Solon, he couldn't have used Helike itself, that still existed in the time of Solon. So he invented a fictional city.
Helike and Atlantis are two completely different places, no affiliation.
Aleiki was definitely NOT Atlantis. Plato clearly described that Atlantis was west of the Mediterranean past the pillars of Hercules ;)
Fabulous! After so many years of searching, finally a believable answer to this mystery. I hope that the archeologists will be able to keep digging.
Check out ............. Lost Roman Map has ATLANTIS at Eye of Sahara Africa! (Richat Structure)
Nope not old enough!
@@LuciferMornStar Exactly. Any talk of this being Atlantis is nonsense.
Plato was 60 and 40 miles away when the city was destroyed.... I do not think he made a mistake.
He spoke of a civilisation much older as the one of Egypt so every comparison with Atlantis is far fetched.@@patrickf9217
This was extremely interesting
I'd love to know more about that coin ! Wow !!!! This is absolutely so exciting
The Story of Helike and its demise sounds a lot more like the legend of Perseus than of Atlantis.
How so, please?
@@Joanna-il2ur Watch the clash of the titans.
@@m1k3droid awful film. They brought the kraken into it from Norse mythology.
@@Joanna-il2ur that is false. The Greek name for the same monster was Ketos, or in latin, Cetus, and it was was a monster of tremendous size and power in greek mythology.
Of course in the Perseus myth, Keypheos and Queen Kassiopoeia were of Ethiopia.
Ironically Cetus is the current scientific name for the genus of cetaceans (whales, dolphins etc) , and various toothed cetaceans like Sperm Whales and Orcas have been known to be aggressive toward humans in antiquity, so it is possible that Ketos was a sperm whale, which might explain what the "Head of Medusa" was: a giant squid, which is known to battle toothed whales and will prey on porpoises.
However that analogy may just be projecting modern understanding onto an old myth
@@m1k3droid Yep. I know the myth although some place her at Jaffa. Still no idea what that has to do with Atlantis. Or the movie, where they imported the kraken.
373 BCE is AFTER Plato, about 100+ years. So, how could Plato have written about Helike as something that was in the past?
Maybe because the 373bc wasnt the first time the city sank
That's just wrong, Plato was born in 427 BCE and died in 348 BCE, so in 373 BCE, when Helike was destroyed, Plato was 54 years old. Both Timaeus and Critias, the oldest mentions of Atlantis, were written by Plato after that point, around 360 BCE. Plato almost certainly was aware of the destruction of Helike in his own time, and it could very well have inspired his fictional lost city of Atlantis.
I just love the archeological evidence that our ancestors were so talented and intelligent
In school I was taught these “myths”. Problem is the word “myth” was not a myth.
Bright Mind!
Copy of my comment:
🌊 "Atlantis is not myth, the location has been found":
Atlantis, as described by Plato, is now strongly theorized to be "the Eye of the Sahara". It supports Plato's description on each point.
As time and Climate Change took place, the Sahara, once a lush green plane of vegetations, lakes, people, and animals, the area became desert, and the arrid climate evaporated the water, leaving a variety of finds throughout the vast desert.
The "Eye of the Sahara is back draped by the Atlas Mountains, its rings observable, wirh scattered remains of red, white, and black stones.
Artifacts would be rare, as the water would havw carried them in various directions.
Landscapes change over tume but Lidar allows us to see the dry lake beds and water routes, and one that leads into the circular features of this location.
Although I feel Atlantis was a far wider reaching Civilization, one that encompassed a variety of Islands, very possibly including the Atlantic Ridge, and even stretching west to areas of the Americas, I've really little doubt that the "Eye of the Sahara" is the location of Plato's description and over time had come to serve as the Capital of Atlantis, the Civilization's point or orgin and its "Washington DC".
🔺In time this will be validated, slow due to "Mainstream Academics" Egos and resistance.
🔺In time "Mainstream Academia" and their "19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline" will be replaced by "Authentic Academia" whom adhere to the "Standards of Science and Research" which prohibits using a Theory as Fact, and we will have Freedom of Thought, for Exploration and Discoveries.
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
(an "Authentic Academic")
No, helike wasn't made of concentric circles...
Silly title considering Solon visited egypt and acquired the story of Atlantis some 250- 300 years earlier
just like the egyptians built the pyramids 12500 years ago right
@@IRBry pyramids were built in the old kingdom on older sacred sights. Confirmed by papyrus found at wadi el jarf.
Silly argument considering that the character of Solon was invented by Herodotus centuries after Plato's account of Atlantis.
@@spiritualanarchist8162 Herodotus was dead before Plato was born. Go back to school
@@eggbert191 He may have been death, but stories in his name were written long after .
Excellent video 😊
a lot of guess work packed in a 50 minutes long click bait drama ...
Fascinating. It's too bad sea levels are rising again. There's so much that could be discovered that's just under the waves around our current coastlines, but most of it will be lost forever since underwater archaeology is so difficult and expensive.
Thanks for the insightful comment😌let us hope we can uncover as much as possible 🤞
I agree, it's tragic that we are on the trend of losing grounds to explore rather than gaining them, but we still are developing new technologies to explore what is hidden both on land & beneath the sea. I have hopes for these technologies answering many of the questions we have now.
Unfortunately, as far as excavations go to get into the minuet details of the sites, that's unlikely to occur in our lifetimes. Then again, even when the climate shifts to a new ice age, most of these archaeological sites in the Northern hemisphere will be ground to mud by glaciation. Whether our species will survive that long, survive whatever causes the start of an Ice Age or still reside on this planet is hard for us to know at this point.
Atlantis was supposed to have existed in 9,600 BC according to Plato. How could *any* city from the classical period be Atlantis? Unless what they mean is the event that inspired the Atlantis story...considering the volcanic activity of the area I'm not surprized there would be archaeological evidence of destroyed cities from throughout the mediterranean.
Kerguelen islands. French southern Antarctic lands .
I watch a yt video that said that Teresa a high chance Atlantis was in west Africa ,the Richard structure(I'm sure I'm spelling that wrong😂)
Its un undisputable fact that the LUNAR calendar of the Sais priest that talked to Solon the year was one month , that makes the time period of Atlantis 1328BC . Νήσος Island in Greek = Island , peninsula , cost and land area in contact with springs lake or river.
The area is very popular for earthquake activity and more cities have vanished because of tidal waves created by earthquakes. Korinth has been destroyed a few times, last one being just over 100 years ago.
It seems with the name Atlantis, Atlantis should be in the Atlantic ocean. I favor theories placing Atlantis near the MidAtlantic trench and mountain range, a very volitile region where the continental plates are separating. An island could have sunk, tsamies abound. As the glaciers melt glacial lakes could be freed and massive calfing took place. The oceans were also rizing.
GREAT series! THANK YOU for uploading ancient history topics!! There’s literally nothing more interesting
Thank you for watching!
Thank YOU for posting interesting and _NEW_ content! Appreciate the reply. Have a great weekend!
Do you accept the discoveries of Ron Wyatt? I find them more interesting.
Do you think that if Poseidon is the Greek equivalent of the Minoan Dagon that the Greek Government is not going to put a lid on any archeological findings that vilify Minoan religious practice?
First off, the city of Troy was NOT a myth... Unlike Atlantis or this other ancient city I can't spell (LOL) The city of Troy has been found!!!
Helike, in the Latin alphabet.
Moral of the story: Don't anger Poseidon.
Poseidon doesn’t play games
Too bad that the tale of atlantis wasn't came from Plato it come from Solon who herd it from someone who(Solon) lived from c. 630 - c. 560 BC which is 187 years earlier than helike supposedly disappeared in 373 BC. Also the palce helike would be isn't match the palce where Solon said it would be at all also Helike is a city isn't a continent snanning empire. So no helike isn't atlantis also Plato(n) lived from 424/423 - 348/347 BC so helike would still exist in his lifetime.... quite shoddy 0 facts "documentary".
Η περιοχή του Αιγίου είναι βυθισμένη..είχε κ θ έχει μεγάλους σεισμούς....ήταν πλούσιο σημείο εμπορικό..η Ατλαντίδα...όντως η πηγές είναι από των. Σόλων από Αίγυπτο κ φτάσαν στων Πλάτωνα.... συμφωνώ με το σχόλιο ..ότι ντοκιμαντέρ...0.
very interesting
are we forgetting The pillars of Hercules ? this can't be
That's why I think it is the eye of Africa it's not west but Plato never said west. Plus a Roman map shows Atlantis people at the eye of Africa. Mountains to the north same size frash water in the center. Same kind of rocks and mining materials.
Plato would have known Helike was Greek not Atlantis.
Atlantis (island of Atlas) is a fictional island mentioned in Plato's works Timaeus and Critias as part of an allegory on the hubris of nations. It was presented as an advanced civilization that went too far in its greed, provoking the wrath of the gods who erased Atlantis from the face of the earth in one day and one night. It was a warning to the leaders of Athens. Sometimes an allegory is just an allegory.
Prove that it's fictional...
There is a site in Africa that was at sea level at the time of Atlantis and matches the discription almost 100% as well as the isolated local native population having the same historical mythos as the kingdom of Atlantis down to incredible detail.
It is the only site to match the major 10 or more major points that describe Atlantis. Many of those are very unique on their own. Let alone combined with more than two others. Some of the points are completley unique as far as we know and still shared by one single site in both the myth and the Eye of the Sahara.
The only point that does not match is that they can't prove if any of the springs were warm or "hot" water springs, but they know the area was a giant volcanic formation so it very well could have had thermal activity at the time.
While he used the end results of the story as a warning, that doesn't mean the city or the destruction was fictional.
Your professor must be soooo proud of you!
@@RM-yf2lu It's almost as if conjumonblue6450 copied and pasted that comment out of an online textbook and never once considered vetting the information for themselves. Ah, our modern scholastic indoctrination system: where regurgitation of textbooks/woke liberalism/racism are the highest ideals, mixed into a cesspool with scientific facts--a place where critical thought and scientific method go to die and sheeple can't vet their uninspected worldview because the system encourages the deification of ignorant authority figures.
@@jacobnash9755can you tell where the area is located in Africa, like South, East or North?
Not so fast Blue6450 .... I have visited Santorini, and it is a bloody big hole surrounded on the outskirts by fragments of the original island. Whether is was Atlantis, or not, it was a huge terrible explosion and island collapse, you wouldn't have wanted to be there. Ancient rumours and stories can be based in fact. It could have been an allegory too, but we really don't know.
Homer's Iliad is not a "myth". It is supported by archaeology. Perhaps you should replace "myth" with
'disputed".
No the iliad is a MYTH with all caps sinc eit was written as a play but contains real world events just films that says "based or real events" they are still fictional
The narrative of Atlantis is not the story of Heliki. There may be elements in common but it’s not the same story. The same can be said of Thera. For Atlantis, look for the presence of elephants mammoths, mastodons, etc. If these critters are present it may be Atlantis.
Yes, and where were elephants? On the continent of Africa. That is the place to look.
Bravo, very epic
@Get.factual could you please upload a video about the Bronze Age Collapse.
i think the atlantis theory was taken underhanded. it was not "cave" of heracles but "pillars" and those two are different. another is the architecture is far different, atlantis was stated that it has a three layered island with water in between and also advances of technology.
this channel relate all sunken cities to atlantis like what they did on dogger land. if true then all the sunken cities in japan are then atlantis.
Excellent Episode 👍
Ancient Alexandria suffered Tsunamis, Earthquakes, and Liquifaction also.....
I don't think Plato would create a vage and colorful myth about something that just happened.
Yeah everyone would know that.
This is known as the "This City Got Wet, So It MUST Be Atlantis" Theory.
Hm..interesting
Your comment is known as the "I didn't watch the video but I still have an opinion about what I think it says" argument.
@@frankvandorp9732 I won't leave comments on videos that I do not watch.
However, I'll admit that at the end when they go into credits or summaries, sometimes I will skip that part. Also, I skip any commercials.
@@archangel_one But you did not watch this video. Otherwise, you would have known your comment is dishonest and doesn't even resemble what the video actually stated.
@@frankvandorp9732 Okay, you win, it is ATLANTIS! I can't wait until they find the Stargate!
It was informative and an excellent introduction documentary about the exploration of Ancient (Helike )..thank you respectful 🙏 ( Get.factual) documentary channel. For sharing this remarkable documentary..
the best bit of this docu, is where they tell people who are looking trho microscopes to wave their hands around while using it.
It's a great investigation and history that doesn't need Atlantis dragged into it. Helike's connection to Atlantis is as close as my goldfishes' castle is. Perhaps we should be grateful that the narrator didn't mention Bigfoot and aliens here.
For Plato the destruction of Helike would have added credibility to the earlier accounts of the destruction of Santorini and the Minoan civilization that had resulted in the legend of Atlantis, giving him more details for his version.
Plato was alive and 40 miles away when the city was destroyed. He was 60 years old when this city was destroyed. He probably saw it happen
Rumour has it, that it should be around the Baalkhan Peninsula. The Enchelei masons could build pyramids and "illuminate" them with some eels swimming around...
a tsunami can only temporary flood. Water inevitably returns to sea level
They clearly stated the ground subsided. Only the tops of trees were visible.
@@edbruder9975 around what time in video?
Very satisfying
What a great doco indeed
The ancient Greeks received their Art, architecture, philosophy, and their mathematics from Ancient Egyptians. As well as the story of the story of Atlantis. No?
Yep.
Picture it: late Cretaceous…
Atlanta is currently in the middle of the ocean. It has a Don’t Look Up situation…
However some rich business dude really really really wanted that iridium… however their explosion went all Deep Impact…
One hits Haiti the other Chicxulub…
Atlanta drowns 🌊
#spirituality #atlantis #2Spirit
Atlantis has already been found right where they gave directions to it....
I thought Atlantis was a civilization, and a large island. Small continent, or even a subcontinent. Not a city! Reread what's been written by Plato. Location too is very NOT RIGHT!
Crete, and Santori is a perfect match for the capital. Hell, it's the biggest caldera 🌋 in the area, and the only one with a port city built right in the middle of it, just like Atlantis.
@@phil20_20 No they're not. Reread Plato regarding location. And stop trying to usurp and distort the truth.
That Is So True Observation…….🌞
Its clearly not Atlantis
got ya timelines mixed up, atlantis went under prior to 9000bc, helike came to an end @400bc, so how can helike be atlantis
No. It couldn't be. Because it matches none of the detailed descriptions of Atlantis and what was around Atlantis.
Interesting.
Great detective work all round, thanks
Great work but the question remains
no, no question remains. if you're referring to atlantis, that was a no before the video even began. plato write it was in the atlantic west of gibralter, so no question remains. helike was never atlantis because helike was helike.
@@matthewhayes3142
Plato never ever said west of Gibraltar never ever ever ,
Of course Helike was Helike
As soon as you go off on Atlantis, you lose me. I watched to tghe end anyway. Interesting. The liquefaction angle is a new one! Explains why the city sunk! I am surprised they didn't find human remains, since most of the city occupants would have been buried before they could escape.
No. No it is not.
Is the classical Greek city of Helike the lost city of Atlantis? No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wrong location and time period.
Wait what... Atlantis at the time of the greek?
This docu makes no sense to me.
For those that read scrolls of thoth would know they traveled from atlantis to egypt.
Egyptian times were +/-5k years ago..
Atlantis was 5k years before that.
(So +/-10k years ago from now)
Why do people keep thinking that, if it existed, Atlantis was in the med? remains a stupid argument
Plato placed the legendary island of Atlantis beyond the "Pillars of Hercules" alias Gibraltar, and what do we find there? an entire ocean with the same name.
...and "many islands in the open sea".
Can you please show me where did Plato said such a thing? That Atlantis was beyond the pillars of Hercules. I have read it in 3 languages (one being Ancient Greek) and none says such a thing.
Hats off to a woman that was infinitely patient to hit the target.
Plato wrote about Atlantis a century before 373 BCE and he was talking of an older story so no
He like is not Atlantis.
Didnt athens go to war with Atlantis? That part just a bit of fiction? I dont recall any war between Heliki. It also doesnt explain the beyond the pillars of Hercules etc. It was too central to be considered beyond unless we have the pillars of hercules totally wrong.
This makes a very compelling case though I will have to look into Heleki a bit more.
Just because Atlantis has not been verified does not make it a myth. Coastal towns and cities can found all around the Mediterranean underwater. Europe once extended to Ireland, Doggerland was real.
Get factual..Portugal is the most western country ever occupied by the romans, not Spain. So, what else is false on this video?.
Invading the local taverns for lunch? How do I apply for employment on a research ship lol. Great episode. Thanks for sharing.
If “the gods” destroyed Atlantis for corruption, and the vastly manifold corruption we’re facing is contrasted with it… WE are about to be buried by every known kind of catastrophy!!!
No.
Definitely, Egyptian history 101
It's funny they call it a myth but then they go find it in real life .
Plato was confused. He quoted the Pillars of Hercules but meant The cave of Hercules. Innocent mistake but one that makes the city impossible to locate
Red, white and black rock, didn't see any.
also a train of though that santori was the inspiration for Atlantis.
Atlantis included part of the Canary Islands. You are guessing. Matias de Stefano KNOWS.
Atlantis was at Azores.
Sorry homers illiad is not a myth they found the city of Troy
It’s very unlikely it was in the Corinthian gulf
It is probably unlikely that Atlantis was in the Corinthian Gulf, but Helike absolutely was.
@@sallyreno6296
Atlantis was in the Aegean absolutely as was Helike most probably and unlikely in the Corinthian gulf
Atlantis is likely under 20 feet of mud in Spain cause by some natural incident. The area supported the symbols, all the mineral mining operations, and boat anchors of where the port was. This is a very interesting story on Helike.
Same goes for Egypt and Morocco it's definitely somewhere between Morocco/spain
@@jasminesaiki4002
No Jasmine,Atlantis was in Greece
Yes Jasmine you are right, it was somewhere in the Mediterranean between what is now Spain and Morocco and where we have the Atlas mountains in the regions of North Africa. It is no mystery, it is all in the words
@@nadiaa2748
Wrong
Actually, it very likely has been found!
Copy of my comment:
🌊 "Atlantis is not myth, the location has been found":
Atlantis, as described by Plato, is now strongly theorized to be "the Eye of the Sahara". It supports Plato's description on each point.
As time and Climate Change took place, the Sahara, once a lush green plane of vegetations, lakes, people, and animals, the area became desert, and the arrid climate evaporated the water, leaving a variety of finds throughout the vast desert.
The "Eye of the Sahara is back draped by the Atlas Mountains, its rings observable, wirh scattered remains of red, white, and black stones.
Artifacts would be rare, as the water would have carried them in various directions.
Landscapes change over tume but Lidar allows us to see the dry lakebeds and water routes, and one that leads into the circular features of this location.
Although I feel Atlantis was a far wider reaching Civilization, one that encompassed a variety of Islands, very possibly including the Atlantic Ridge, and even stretching west to areas of the Americas, I've really little doubt that the "Eye of the Sahara" is the location of Plato's description and over time had come to serve as the Capital of Atlantis, the Civilization's point or orgin and its "Washington DC".
🔺In time this will be validated, slow due to "Mainstream Academics" Egos and resistance.
🔺In time "Mainstream Academia" and their "19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline" will be replaced by "Authentic Academia" whom adhere to the "Standards of Science and Research" which prohibits using a Theory as Fact, and we will have Freedom of Thought, for Exploration and Discoveries.
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
(an "Authentic Academic")
Apocalypse does not mean destruction. It means a Divine Revelation. As for Atlantis, "the island of Atlas," was undoubtably Crete where the royal house of Egypt moved to after the Exodus of 2447 BC.
Well, well somebody with vision
Considering water levels are 400 feet higher than they were 10,000 years ago every single coastline has miles and miles of land that are now underwater that were once previously built on
Been scowering many text to see if there was another area of Heracles. The Cave of Hericles fits so much,thank you. Also, the mud. Too the ships which I had thought was a mistake by Plato for the Greek trimems which I believe were not in existance at the time of atlantis but her we have shipd,mud,a city under the sea, Think we need to relook at this. It has a plain. Anyway my 2 cents.(sorry,spell ck not working)
Found this. It seems to match Plato's descriptions; and tallies with ancient maps; and geographical features.
th-cam.com/video/xo_fMcSLp7Q/w-d-xo.html
The year Plato gives coincides exactly with meltwater pulse B. That's not a coincidence.
No
That doesn't fit Any of the descriptions of Atlantis except on the water. I mean it's interesting but can't be Atlantis.
Why is it that there are so many guesstimate that Atlantis supposedly existed in so many different places around the globe and that none of these places are ever in the same spot?
The timeline plato gave that he had been passed down from solon and passed to solon from the high priests/historians of Egypt was 9600 bc. So no it wasn't 360 bc so it isn't atlantis the younger drias event happened around the same time that could be around the time the earth was struck by a comet on the Greenland ice shelf flash melting 2 miles thick ice causing worldwide devastation for many years to come. Many tsunamis have happened since but only one sank atlantis and that would now lay at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean where plato said it was.