Everything I Wish I Knew BEFORE Buying A Chinese Watch!
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I have a Rolex Oyster Datejust and a Seagull 1963. The only advantage of the Rolex is that people will pay crazy prices for the Rolex. Otherwise, the Seagull is pretty much just as accurate and reliable.
I have a Lilienthal-berlin Zeitgeist Automatik, which I purchased second hand from someone who got it as a gift, and is not a watch person. I paid a fraction of the cost, I will put the accuracy of that watch against anything anybody makes, it is impressively accurate.
The ST1901 movement is not as nicely finished, but it's only a tiny fraction of the price of a Swiss movement and it keeps the time accurately. And it's really nice to look at, too, as long as you're not looking at it under a microscope. I'm quite happy with my Seagull 1963. It gets a lot of wrist time. And I do own a bunch of Omegas and other Swiss made watches.
As a TH-cam that deals a lot with those Chinese watches (my channel was formerly known as My Chinese Watch Collection) I agree with every word you said. The hate, the QC issues, all of it. But there is just so much value in some of the watches coming from China these days, it's a shame to miss out on that market.
And my Seagull 1963 is my favorite watch in my collection, Chinese or not. And I got it new for under $150.
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A tongji automatic that sells for $12 shipped is not a bad watch for the money, because what did you expect for $12?
My Affordable Watch Collection - True Words. Where I grew up in the '70's , the term 'Jap Crap' was ubiquitous. It referred to all the cheap Japanese imports - from toys to cars. Now 'Made in Japan ' carries some caché.
Is China the new Jap Crap'?
I think so...
Awesome knowing that your birthday is in June because mine is also (June 30). I have a Seagull watch as well, it's not the model you have though. I love your channel, it's very informative and I get to see a lot of watches with a different perspective. When it comes to watch conversations, I advise people to wear what you love and love what you wear!
Anthony Smith it’s not only in the watch world, either. The budget knife market has exploded in just the past couple of years with tons of high quality stuff coming out of China. It’s really pretty similar to, say, how people are starting to take notice of all the materials and features these Chinese brands can offer at the price and wondering why Seiko still acts as if sapphire is an luxury feature, for example.
I'm happy and satisfied with my $60 Guanqin dress watch. The longer I have it, the more I'm convinced I didn't waste my money.
John Christian De Guzman where did you buy it? Thanks
Online
@@cuestion-de-tiempo Gearbest.com has hundreds of this any many other brands of Chinese watches. They start a $2.00 a watch and go up.
im temped to buy something like this www.wish.com/product/5d77884e08b8bc412ef5ed4e?hide_login_modal=true&from_ad=goog_shopping&_display_country_code=NL&_force_currency_code=EUR&pid=googleadwords_int&c=%7BcampaignId%7D&ad_cid=5d77884e08b8bc412ef5ed4e&ad_cc=NL&ad_lang=NL&ad_curr=EUR&ad_price=57.00&campaign_id=8704015860&retargeting=true&gclid=CjwKCAjw_-D3BRBIEiwAjVMy7Ipf17pCKTg1pVU2L-aq8IIKaXOMJ-9dFkz0nLXuwTxfEKsd3ft6-BoC2YcQAvD_BwE&share=web but it looks to good for the money important thing is i want the buttons to actually work.
@@cliffordbunin3278 Stay away from wish!
The Seagull ST1901 Movement is an absolute monster when it comes to quality. my 1963 runs with less than 3 sec/day on average. This was the pilot chronograph for the chinese military, and still people think the military would have giveen their pilots garbage watches...
It is not the same watch or the same movement. It is a replica of the watch that was used by the Chinese military. Learn.
@@vertugallery7099 The movement is still made by the same company Sea-Gull. However, my understanding is that the QC they are applying can vary greatly depending on who they are selling to. Anyway, I believe Blackout's point is that it is a good design.
@@luke-alex My friend, the movement in the original of this watch was a Swiss Venus movement, used by Breitling etc.
@@vertugallery7099 Well, the Sea-Gull company (or its legal predecessor) bought the movement from Venus, including the machines which made it. As I understand it, the original 1963 movements were made in China (not Switzerland), with these machines.
@@luke-alex The modern movement is not the same quality; it is a totally different movement. Go do some more homework.
Loving my Sea-Gull watches, one genuine, one Parnis, and a Timex diver with a power reserve ..
Timex is an american company(made in China).
I got a seiko tuna for my 14th birthday last November and my dad gave me a Submariner when I was 10 and had no watch knowledge
@@elduderino1329 made in the philippines
Nicely said Jory . I dont see many people complain about their Chinese made iPhones. Ignorant people . Thank you for the vids informative and good fun . Congratulations on the gains in viewers. :)
Big difference between making a phone that will need changing within a few years and a mechanical watch built to last a hundred years.
Agree to some extent. But they are backed up by IPhone quality and warranty. 10$ chinese quartz watch isn't.
So true. Most of the stuff they own is also made in China.
I worry when I see the Seagull 1963 recommended. Nothing wrong with the watch mind you but in a few years the cost of repair/servicing is going to be over twice what was paid for the watch. Be warned.
@Garnet Newton-Wade I keep seeing Warnings about that movement . I guess it's luck of the draw with that .
I own the same Seagull 1963 watch. What a watch for $375.00! Yeah I realize the screws are painted blue and not cured, yeah the decoration is not what you would get in a GENUINE Swiss for WAY more money, but look at the movement! Column wheel! works as smooth as butter. And it keeps better time than most of my "Swiss" watches! I own Rolexes, Breitlings, Ulysse Nardin, etc. But this watch is just amazing for the price! Good job Time Teller sticking up for watches that are made well no matter WHERE they come from! If you love watches, you love watches. Not just name brands but watches that are designed and made well with thought behind them no matter where they come from.
If the screws not being heat blued bothers anyone ......remove em one at a time .. after replacing the one u just took out...n heat the screw up with a propane torch until near glowing then.pick it up with pliers n drop it in oil of any kind...you'll have naturally hardened n blued screws... And they will be done the ol fashioned way....lmao...I'm kidding ..don't ever take screws out of your movement...though u can ask your watch maker too do it when servicing the watch...peace
I've had a Seagull 1963 for over 6 months and it's great. My friend who's a watch guy, likes it after seeing it and trying it. It's not all about the cost as real watch nut like me knows. I wear the 1963 and then the next day wear the Day-Date. It's fine they're both top notch.
Impressed with my Seagull 1963..decent quality, pretty accurate & ridiculously cheap. 👍🏻👍🏻
I got a Orient Maestro greenish blue dial for really cheap and it's the best automatic watch that I wear daily
The accuracy of this was a huge surprise to me. Have the Sugess version under $200
Firstly, congratulations on almost reaching the 100k mark!
I've never owned a Seagull 1963, but it definitely opened me up a whole new genre of wristwatches. I subsequently did buy an Atelier Wen Odyssey Hao (which is absolutely gorgeous), and hopefully will be able to acquire a Ming 17.01 sometime in the future. For those of you that have been conflicted by stigmatized opinions, you may just be missing out on enjoying some really good timepieces.
I’ve been eyeing the sea-gull 1963 for a while! Thanks for the vid!
60% of the components for the swiss watch industry are made in china. The same factory that produced that Chinese chrono watch most likely makes parts for your favorite swiss brand. But they don;t tell you that. They show you the picture of the old swiss watchmaker and most of you are happy :)
Swiss watches are better because they use Swiss engineered movements rather than Chinese knockoff movements. You are using the no true Scottsman fallacy. Here is what I mean. Lets say Tesla uses a steering column made in China. Does that make a China made EV equivalent to a Tesla? Of course not.
By the way, China mftrs are not interested in making heirloom quality watches that last a lifetime, so if durability is important to you, buy Swiss or Japanese.
I love my Cadisen with Seiko movement inside. Looses just a few seconds a day and works perfectly fine. Craftsmanship is also on a high level, no flaws or badly placed indexes whatsoever
A "few" seconds a day is 24 min. a year. My old Eterna Matic lost 2 min. a year.🕧
@@bafattvahetere really tho?
Honestly I always visually liked this chrono dial!
Very nice video! And I’m glad to see something great from my home town 天津. I bought one myself recently, can’t wait till I go back and pick that up.
Thank you for cranking out so many videos lately and also such good content! Keeping me going in this “shelter in place” time!
The additional improvement to tighten regulation is called the swan neck and was introduced in some of the Seagull ST21 and other Seagull movements, that improved more precise regulation of the balance staff.
I'm watching this with a Seagull 1963 on my wrist. Super happy with it.
I have Cadisen, also a Chinese Watch but has Seiko NH36a movement. Runs perfectly fine. ❤️
Just as the AliExpress sale was ending, I was deciding between a Seagull 1963 Reissue or a CIGA Design Z. I went with the CIGA Design Z watch. Gotta love that RM style skeleton watch for under 150 USD!
I bought the Seagull 1963 a few weeks ago and payed 215€ for it on Amazon and i love it, Chinese watches have a bad rep yes but Seagull and Fossiel produce pretty good watches and i don't care what other ppl think about it, i love it :P
*Sees the video.*
*Sees the date.*
*Hears reasonable arguments.*
I'm so confused right now.
Ordered my Seagull 1963 two days ago from Aliexpress for $165. It is the 38mm sapphire glass model. Sorry folks, that sale ended at midnight!
You got taste👍
Such a nice video as always. This year I bought three chinese watches, two Pagani Design and one Parnis, and I really enjoy them!!!
Congrats and all the best, T3! Onward to the 200K milestone!
Love my Alpha daytona, it's a gorgeous watch with great quality throughout. 100% Chinese and simply excellent.
Great info! My Starking was $35 and still works fine after over a year. :-D
Jory turning and burning the content!! Keeping me sane and from buying my grail watch out of boredom during this quarantine
MY GOD my seagull 1963 is 12 months old today and as i watch this it is on my wrist and going perfectly 👍♥️👍
Watch & Unwind Happy birthday to your watch!
Jory, well said. Do your research and choose wisely.
You really got me into vintage seiko and other brands I never considered. I just bought a Brew watch, and I hope to buy an Autodromo before the end of the year.
Love your videos. Agree with you on all points. I've got a Seagull 1963 and LOVE it!
I just ordered a Seagull with a ST25 movement! I had one like it years ago and loved it.
Nice video & info. I appreciate your honesty & straight-forwardness. If people don't like what you shared in this episode, then they can swing on the sack, bro! Continued success, my friend!!
I have a Guanqin homage of a Longine and it's ticking no problem, keeping time accurately and it was like U$48. There's this other from Pagani Design that has a VK67 movement and it's damn good. It was $51. Both Chinese, and both way better than more expensive counterparts.
Thanks for making another informative video! I asked a question during your Saturday live video,I know you get better questions than I asked. You answered my question with this video,thank you!
I have Swiss, Japanese and Chinese watches. I just got a Chinese bronze watch that is outstanding. There are some good Chinese Microbrands ;). San Martin, Cronos, Heimdallr and others.
I only just found your channel recently but love your work keep it up. I especially looking for an affordable quartz field style watch and I'm glad you do so much on field watches.
I was looking at the video wearing one of my Chinese watches, the Guanqin. My favorite Chinese watch is for sure the Seagull 1963.
The 1963 Seagull is an absolute legendary watch. I’ll be buying one very soon.
Dude , all your videos are great & I really appreciate. All you've said have been well said & I totally agree with you. Nobody will want to grab your hand while you are walking on the street & see what watch you are wearing. We can only wear whatever pleases us & not others. People out there need to make some good research on Chinese Seagull watches history before making bad critics as honestly aside from owning some Swiss watches, I do also own some very & very good Chinese watches. Needless to say, most of the times, I find myself wearing many of my Chinese watches on a day to day basis & this has been going on for nearly 5 years now. They are damn good watches. After 5 years, till date, all my best Chinese watches are still working fine without any problem. Whatever my hard earned money can buy me is what pleases me & not what others think.
Two months ago I bought a Mido Multifort that fell apart the same day I received it. The entire internal mechanism was broken. Similar experiences have occurred to me with Tissot and Alpina.
If a watch is bad or broken, it's bad or broken regardless of country. G-Shocks are made in China and are tougher than 99% of other watches.
I literally just bought the Seagull 1963 fifteen minutes before this video came out! I saw the title and got scared that T3 changed his mind on it, but I'm glad he still likes it!
You don't need validation from anyone to like anything
lmao you got scared? insecure much?
Did you go with the sapphire crystal variant?
I wasn't looking for validation, I was worried that his ended up having mechanical or quality control issues that caused it to not hold up. I can also value other people's opinions who have more experience than me without blindly following them.
@@discingaround yeah I decided to get the sapphire variant because I tend to accidentally slam my watches on door ways 😅
Stuck in the US now and missing my Seagull 1963 left in my apartment in Shanghai. Great vid as always!
Just ordered a Seagull 1963 for 90 bucks on Amazon. Been wanting a Seagull for years.
I'm on my 3rd Chinese watch. The Pagani dropped the ball in the lume department. I have no complaints re: the Sharkey (Heimdallr), and now the Gustav Becker (Sea-Gull). Search the forums, do you research, and buy with confidence.
Great advice, love the look of the seagull! Cheers T3!
👏👏👏👍 if it’s a good watch it’s a good watch regardless of where it’s made. I’m hoping to add the seagull to my collection one day.
Love your channel Jory. Keep up the great work. Just bought a man cave strap for my seiko Sun019 kinetic. Also could you please do a review on the yema navigraf. Yes it's French not Swiss
Love Seagull 1963! My first mechanical watch.
I have a boutique watch I bought off eBay for $100. There are maybe a few dozen in circulation. It was an amazing value. It has a sapphire crystal, stainless steel case with a PVC coating, screw down case and crown, and a military style dial. The Seiko NH38 movement is accurate to about 6 seconds per day.
Congrats and I am now a new subscriber. You are a lovable character - I shall be tuning in regularly.
Thanks Jory! Cheers man!
Another great vid Jory. Currently waiting for my Kickstarter Traska summiteer to arrive - conceived in the USA, made in....China.
Oh yeah, I also have the 1963 Chinese Air Force Chrono (in sapphire) that is cool as hell (on a nice semi distressed blonde leather strap).
Jori, I enjoy all of your videos for several reasons - most of all because of your authenticity!
In this particular video, as I'm sure you know, the 1963 Seagul movement is steeped in Swiss heritage! And the Swiss seem to know how to build a movement. Just sayennnnnnn....
Thanks for all your great work!
95 K🎉🎊 🔥 CONGRATS JORY!!!
I love all watches. My favorite is my Omega reduced speedmaster. I love all my watches with ETA 2824 movements
hello sir i really like your review
and it looks like you know a lot about it
i found a cool watch from the brand shenhua is this any good ?
Great video
Good message
Great video!
Great summary, well done for not being prejudice....I've bought a few good watches like that by buying without looking at where they are from. Some chineese parts in them like Thomas Earnshaw. Thanks for this video cliff
I have parnis gmt, and I'm proud of it.
Great video, thanks again! I own a Red Star Mechanical Chrono and love it. For under $300 you can't go wrong. BTW the worst part of your video was having to watch a Vencero Watch commercial part way through. Congrats on 95K!!
My best watch is made in Elgin, Illinois USA 101 years ago. Railroad grade pocket watch. It's a lot of fun.
The 1963 is actually a swiss-made movement by Venus (Venus 175). They bought the rights and added two more jewels and that's about it. It's a Chinese case with a swiss movement.
Great info
You can get a nice Seagull 1963 with a swanneck regulator for $200. They are very nice, reliable and accurate.
Well done. Subscribed!
China deserves more credit, Starking changed my opinion about them. They do have some decent products from their region.
Do you support Chinese concentration camps too?
Love your videos, lots of fun and nice presentation! I came across a Scottish micro brand called anOrdain. They seem to be priced around what a Longines might cost. AnOrdain do enabled dials and make a big deal about the exclusivity of enanable dials. I got to admit I am really drawn to thier model 1 in piller box red, but wondering if I am letting my heart rule my head. Would I be a sucker to go for a small micro brand if I could afford the quality of a Longines?
Great episode.
T3 thanks for all you do!
I bought an Addiesdive Tuna homage. It has a Seiko Nh35a movement. The loom is outstanding. It gains about 5 seconds a day. Not too shabby and really well made watch
I have a San Martin 62 MAS as a daily Watch and I can recommend this 100 %. Amazing Qualty for the price.
My Red star 1963 is one of the prides of my collection along with the discontinued seiko sarbs.
Recently got a 1963 with the swan neck regulator. Out of the box, I am amazed how accurate this watch has kept time being fast only by 4 secs over 24 hours. Honestly had couple of Omegas that were 4 to 5 secs faster in a day. Seems like I got lucky or Seagull really does a good QC job.
Man U getting better and better . Keep it up
Oh this review and rant is so good Jory!!! Say what you feel and be for real!!! #Loveit
Love japanese motorcycles and watches, but design, Swiss hands down. That Epos 3440 big moon watch is just mindblowing...
Jory, you're the best!
Hi from Malaysia. I love your channel. I look forward to it everyday. I just discovered it about 2 weeks ago and I have been bingeing on it!! It’s getting me through this crazy global situation and I really like learning more about watches everyday. I also like reading the comments in your channel- again quite informative and provides a lot of different perspectives on how people view certain types of watches and brands. It’s a bummer for me that there are more good watches for men than women. If you do come across good women watches, would love to hear your views. Great job!
Hey T3 I dig the watch. I also have several asian watches (Seiko , Citizen, Orient) including a Parnis yachtmaster-ish which I enjoy.
Up to the 1970s, Japanese products were considered cheap and nasty. Most were just knock-offs of Western products. I can still remember the Datsun 120Y (old name of Nissan), its body panels were so thin, you could dent it by just pushing it with your finger! And it was so light, it drove like it was floating on the road. However, the Japanese went on a quality drive when they realised quality mattered. Nowadays, most people equate Japanese products as of high quality and reliable (especially for Japanese cars). In fact, I still remember the Japanese bashing that was prevalent in the USA during the 1980s, similar to the Chinese bashing now.
China products are at the same stage Japanese products were during the 1970s. They have started to improve their products and still able to sell it cheaper than many Western counterparts. Give them another decade or so, and they will be able to produce high quality products which are reliable and probably still cheaper than their counterparts. In fact, you only have to look at mobile phones and see that the majority are now designed and built in China. Huawei being a prime example. Oh, and Apple products are all made in China.
I bought the Seagull 1963 and it confirmed everything I thought I knew about Chinese quality control. It arrived broken. What DID surprise me was the relatively fast customer service, and the ease of the return process. Once this issue was sorted out, I've become a very pleased owner of a watch which is FAR more accurate than I expected, reliable, and looks great. Very pleased with the purchase, but it's not altered my opinion of Chinese quality control * or lack of it.
Haters will be haters dude. Thx for this video. Just as you said.....I love watches......and I don't care where they come from
I want the Seagull 1963... great watch, great rant!! Looking forward to the next vid. Thanks for the Bertucci review, think I’ll go for that until I can get the Boldr Expedition! #T3
I love watching your videos, content is great! The green strap on the seagull looks great where can I buy?
Hey Jory,
Would you consider taking a look at Certina DS Action Diver Powermatic 80 with the ETA C07.111 movement? I would really be interested in your opinion about the watch, maybe in comparison with the old movement that it's based on, ETA 2824-2.
Thanks!
What strap do you have? I really like it and I wish to get one myself :)
same here - the green/brown canvas/leather strap is gorgeous
Really necessary video!! Thanks!! There are wonderful machines on a lot of countries, including China!!
Cant believe that we are 4,700 subscribers to finally now t3 watch collection! Been waiting for this more than the next book of G.R.R. Martin
I have that same Hadley Roma band on my Seagull 1963 chrono.
Where does one get your band? I love the leather/nato combo
It's quite a coincidence that today I'm wearing my Seagull 1963 chrono!! 😂 It's the 38mm, acrylic dome version. Just like the original from the 60's. This watch has such a rich history... It may be chinese, but has a lot of pedigree.
Christian Rodriguez - I chose the acrylic domed crystal over sapphire even though the cost was the same - for that exact reason; its heritage and to ensure that my watch was as close to the original issue as possible.
I'm a bit of a fan of acrylic crystals.
Currently awaiting delivery of my Seagull 68. So there!
I got a octo that my grandpa bought in hongkong in 1987. Still works but needs some maintenance. Pretty cool cuz it has the week in chinese.
You da man T3. Doing my share to give you more subs. Been there from the beginning.
you rock! keep it up!