Aside from the pricing, I think the big deal is all the changes they’re making across their lineup. It’s not just the Tundra, it’s virtually everything. They’re taking a pretty calculated risk that turbos, direct injection, and integrating hybrid motors are the way to go. The Sequoia is quite shocking because they went hybrid/turbo AND bumped it down to the V6. The sienna mini van, another one (hybrid four cylinder). Getting rid of the Avalon and going with the Crown, and using the same 2.4 turbo/hybrid. The Toyota Venza with a 2.5 four cylinder with three electric hybrid motors. The entire lineup has changed dramatically in less than two years. They had better know what they’re doing because if they screwed this up they’re going to be in big trouble.
@@skunkiiee7333 yeah, if there is any manufacturer I trust to get it right it’s Toyota. And if they don’t get it right they usually fix it. But man, this is a HUGE change across their entire lineup actually.
Couple corrections from the video…base model 228hp, then 278hp, and finally 326hp for the hybrid. Fuel economy as high as 20 city, and 23 highway. The 0-60 is supposed to be around 7 seconds. The hybrid option can be added to the TRD for around $3,700.
@@earthtribe786 No I mean added as an option before you purchase. And I’m not 100% positive on the price of $3,700…that’s just estimates from what I’ve read, but I imagine it would be higher than that.
also the battery for the hybrid if ordered sits under the rear seats and you lose some pretty amble storage under the seats. More storage than the 3rd gen, no covers on the storage.
Just traded my 21 TRD sport MT for a 24 TRD sport MT. I didn't want to like the new 4th gen, but after test driving it, I knew I wasn't leaving the dealership with my old truck. Over priced? Yes, but lets be honest, most Tacoma owners dump tons of money in mods on previous gens that make them overpriced, and Toyota paid attention and did them for you
I think the 230 engine is primarily for manuals. Also, I own one of the new Tacomas. If you find a Tundra for 54-55k... it's probably spec'd closer to a 44-46k Tacoma. My 4x4 TRD Offroad was 44k (after a dealer discount)
How are you liking the new Tacoma? And the Tundra in the video was a TRD Tundra (although I’d have to go back and check). It’s funny, two hours after this video I did see my very first new Tacoma on the road. Good luck with your new purchase, they are a nice looking truck.
Was at Toyota of Plano yesterday and they had one 2024 Tacoma on the lot and had two Friday when I was there to service my son's Tacoma. Salesperson said they are selling well. He said most of the inbounds are already sold. Tacoma have always been a fast movewr in Dallas Fort Worth. Going on three months this week with my 24 Off Road.
The only reason i would get one is that it's new. But ill wait till the 3rd year. Other than that to me it seems like a 3rd gen exterior with more straight lines. The interior i do like. But under the hood, im not amazed by the engine yet. And the price is definitely something off-putting.
Yeah I think a wait and see approach might be the best solution. I don’t like first year redesigns anyway (in terms of reliability). I do like the interior on the truck, and the overall look too
Been buying new Toyota trucks for over 22 years. I will never buy a boosted 4 cylinder or hybrid Tacoma or 4Runner. Toyota just pushed me into the arms of Ford. Loving my new F150. Got all the trim, a v8 engine, and 4wd. Turns out, Ford’s systems are better than Toyota’s.
I’d argue that Ford’s systems are not better than Toyota’s, and if any brand has done/is doing, what Toyota is NOW doing…it’s FORD. Ford went turbo direct injection almost right away. They have a full lineup up of buzzy little turbo four bangers stuffed into pickup trucks, and they have their own problems. But YOU went for the V8 Coyote engine and I think that was a good move. That thing is mated to a 10 speed transmission, with displacement on demand and cylinder shut off. GM and Dodge have had their issues with those systems, time will tell if ford will. I personally am leary of all these new brands and what they’re trying to accomplish right now, I’ve already been burned with GM’s pickups…oil consumption, misfires, torque converter shudder. I don’t know what I’d buy right now, but I’d probably prefer the Coyote engine/drive train. But that thing has had some issues too over the past decade, namely oil consumption.
@@doublebase6509 you don’t really know what you’re talking about. The only truck that gets a 4 banger is the Ranger. Everything else is at least a boosted v6. Also, their turbo system is so good, Toyota traded Prius tech for access to it prior to designing their system. “YOU” then try to chastise me for buying the Coyote V8 only to end up saying you’d probably buy it too. Hilarious. Ford’s 10 speed is much better than the last 6spd I had in a Tacoma. Those things hunt gears like crazy.
@@Pb_Slinger Ford puts their little buzzy 4 cylinder turbo in almost everything except their full sized pick up. Enjoy the coyote. Hopefully the “wet belt” holds up on your oil pump, and I’m sure Ford has it all figured out with their new cylinder shutoff feature (because Ford is known for their reliability). 🤣👍👍🤣🤣🤣
@@doublebase6509 nice passive aggressive comment there bud.the belt driven oil pump can support up to 1000 horsies. The 5.0 is made for modifications. I’m not worried. I also have a 13 foot car lift in my 5 car garage. I do my own maintenance and repairs. That’s why my vehicles last longer than the average vehicle in New Hampshire. On cylinder deac, it’s incredibly easy to turn that off with drive modes. I also turned off auto start-stop. What else you got? (Besides a muscle car engine in your daily driver.)
I think that’s a good strategy. I’m in the same boat…I’ll wait to see how these things do. How the reliability is…oil consumption, turbo lag, engine noise, if there is a consensus that there is a need to bump the fuel grade up. Lexus is running the same engine in their RX350 and it is using 91 octane. I wonder if Toyota is saying 87 right now just to get people to buy it before letting them know…hey, that bucking sensation you’re getting at light throttle at 40 mph (where a lot of us do our driving) will go away if you buy the premium gas. Because that’s what customers are experiencing in the Highlander right now (according to forums).
I was dropping the kids off at the pool when u said 50k for a four cylinder Tacoma my jaw dropped 😮! I paid 57k for a hybrid Tundra loaded to the Max. We also picked up a Ranger Raptor 57k
@@doublebase6509 well I put 35’s /12.5 on the stock trd rims. Looks amazing! What a difference. Stock trd suspension. I actually got use to the mustache front end.
so 50k for a turbo 4 Tacoma is jaw dropping but 57k for a twin turbo 6 that recommends premium fuel is not? So a Toyota commercial grade turbo 4 versus a twin turbo 6 eco boost? 🤔
@@planoman0935 the performance your getting out of the Ranger Raptor speaks for itself. Raptor is part of its ford performance line . Probably why it runs off 93. 400 hp and 420 torque seems impressive to me. What does the Taco have for numbers being that it runs of 85?
@@mikemorales4806 So the 50K Tacoma dropped your jaw but the raptor didn't because of the performance? interesting. 23 years of data says one of those will hold their value much better than the other and it isn't the ford. Me? I don't own a truck for performance. If I wanted a truck for performance I would have bought a Rivian R1T.
Yeah I can see that, I’d argue a lot more might prefer the 6…I’m not even sure there’s a difference in fuel economy. But I get it, there may be performance advantages at some RPM’s.
Yeah that’s my thought process as well - although I do like the interior and styling of the new one. I’m just not ready to trust the 4 turbo yet, and I’m not a big fan of the sound and some of the low speed driving feel from smaller turbo engines
Lots of comments on the price and how this turbo engine won't last 300k miles. Maybe that's what Toyota wants. Maybe they are moving to a shorter churn cycle. They don't want you to keep a truck for 300k miles. They want you trading at 100k or 150k miles. Trucks are not cheap anymore and only the frontier offers non turbo. Maybe Toyota is moving to a more affluent buyer since it is the brand more millionaires drive than any other. I can say for sure; the new 8 speed is worlds better than the 6 speed Auto transmission.
I’m ok with the new Tacoma with the 4 cyl. Turbo, love the torque and horsepower and the rear coils for nicer ride. But the deal killer is the price, the base SR would be $40K and the SR5 would be $50K and add insurance on top of that and I have to walk away and find something more affordable. Really dont understand how it became so expensive. It would be a bad decision to spend that much money on the new Tacoma.
I find that interesting because I’m an ASE master tech, and a lot of us talk, and just yesterday one of them said to me exactly what you’re saying, that people aren’t going to care about the switch to the 4 cylinder turbo (and it looks like he is right, and I am wrong). I figured the change would be more of a deal breaker than the actual price. I’m definitely wrong, although I do agree that the price is also a problem.
@@M85Iroc I’m an ASE master tech (not that it means much because I don’t work for Toyota), but have you seen this engine yet? That valve cover does not look fun with the direct injectors right through the cover. I don’t mind a high pressure pump integrated into a valve cover, but adding the high pressure injectors themselves looks tough. Lot of wires, fuel lines, hoses, right on top of that engine. Id have to take a close look at the location of the turbo and intake manifold, but for an engine that should have a ton of room on the sides to work, they made the top not a lot of fun. IMO. Now obviously they don’t care about us, and Toyota usually is a very reliable brand so perhaps you wouldn’t have to do many repairs anyway. Turbo has a vacuum controlled waste gate, I like that over electric like Hyundai and some other Toyotas. I like the ease of removal of the cam timing actuators, but most brands are easy to remove. I guess we’ll see with this one.
Obscene pricing. After 12 Toyotas.. they lost me.
Aside from the pricing, I think the big deal is all the changes they’re making across their lineup. It’s not just the Tundra, it’s virtually everything. They’re taking a pretty calculated risk that turbos, direct injection, and integrating hybrid motors are the way to go. The Sequoia is quite shocking because they went hybrid/turbo AND bumped it down to the V6. The sienna mini van, another one (hybrid four cylinder). Getting rid of the Avalon and going with the Crown, and using the same 2.4 turbo/hybrid. The Toyota Venza with a 2.5 four cylinder with three electric hybrid motors. The entire lineup has changed dramatically in less than two years. They had better know what they’re doing because if they screwed this up they’re going to be in big trouble.
Literally same
@@doublebase6509 but tbh, theyre engineers and its toyota, they know what theyre doing. All this was done for a reason
@@skunkiiee7333 yeah, if there is any manufacturer I trust to get it right it’s Toyota. And if they don’t get it right they usually fix it. But man, this is a HUGE change across their entire lineup actually.
@@skunkiiee7333 And the reason is ?................................
Couple corrections from the video…base model 228hp, then 278hp, and finally 326hp for the hybrid. Fuel economy as high as 20 city, and 23 highway. The 0-60 is supposed to be around 7 seconds. The hybrid option can be added to the TRD for around $3,700.
What do you mean added? Like added later to a reg trd non hybrid?
@@earthtribe786 No I mean added as an option before you purchase. And I’m not 100% positive on the price of $3,700…that’s just estimates from what I’ve read, but I imagine it would be higher than that.
also the battery for the hybrid if ordered sits under the rear seats and you lose some pretty amble storage under the seats. More storage than the 3rd gen, no covers on the storage.
@@doublebase6509 spot on at $3700
Just traded my 21 TRD sport MT for a 24 TRD sport MT. I didn't want to like the new 4th gen, but after test driving it, I knew I wasn't leaving the dealership with my old truck. Over priced? Yes, but lets be honest, most Tacoma owners dump tons of money in mods on previous gens that make them overpriced, and Toyota paid attention and did them for you
Thanks for your perspective on it. Good to hear from people that actually bought and own one!
I think the 230 engine is primarily for manuals. Also, I own one of the new Tacomas. If you find a Tundra for 54-55k... it's probably spec'd closer to a 44-46k Tacoma. My 4x4 TRD Offroad was 44k (after a dealer discount)
How are you liking the new Tacoma? And the Tundra in the video was a TRD Tundra (although I’d have to go back and check). It’s funny, two hours after this video I did see my very first new Tacoma on the road. Good luck with your new purchase, they are a nice looking truck.
I’m seeing a few of them in the DFW area, TX. I saw two TRD offorads today on the freeway. Some people are paying those crazy prices I guess.
I just saw my very first Tacoma two hours after this video. Curious to see if people are going to buy them regardless of the pricing
Was at Toyota of Plano yesterday and they had one 2024 Tacoma on the lot and had two Friday when I was there to service my son's Tacoma. Salesperson said they are selling well. He said most of the inbounds are already sold. Tacoma have always been a fast movewr in Dallas Fort Worth. Going on three months this week with my 24 Off Road.
The only reason i would get one is that it's new. But ill wait till the 3rd year. Other than that to me it seems like a 3rd gen exterior with more straight lines. The interior i do like. But under the hood, im not amazed by the engine yet. And the price is definitely something off-putting.
Yeah I think a wait and see approach might be the best solution. I don’t like first year redesigns anyway (in terms of reliability). I do like the interior on the truck, and the overall look too
I have doubts on the frame. I would like to see someone put a frame rail in a metal bender and see what happens. I'll wait
It’s a full box frame, not a c channel frame, correct? I’d say it may be an upgrade over the previous one, no?
@@doublebase6509 yes. I would wait and see if any break or rust. 🤣.
@@itsallminor6133 🤣🤣Yeah I don’t think they’re ever going to live that one down.
Looks like a gmc tax to me
I think it looks like a cross between the GMC Canyon and Chevy Colorado.
I would be a player at $23,500 on those trucks
Throw it in the trash🤣🤣
Made in Mexico 😢
Yeah I saw that, but it’s nothing new…GM has been doing it for around 20 years…ford, Nissan, Mercedes, countless others.
Been buying new Toyota trucks for over 22 years. I will never buy a boosted 4 cylinder or hybrid Tacoma or 4Runner. Toyota just pushed me into the arms of Ford.
Loving my new F150. Got all the trim, a v8 engine, and 4wd. Turns out, Ford’s systems are better than Toyota’s.
I’d argue that Ford’s systems are not better than Toyota’s, and if any brand has done/is doing, what Toyota is NOW doing…it’s FORD. Ford went turbo direct injection almost right away. They have a full lineup up of buzzy little turbo four bangers stuffed into pickup trucks, and they have their own problems. But YOU went for the V8 Coyote engine and I think that was a good move. That thing is mated to a 10 speed transmission, with displacement on demand and cylinder shut off. GM and Dodge have had their issues with those systems, time will tell if ford will. I personally am leary of all these new brands and what they’re trying to accomplish right now, I’ve already been burned with GM’s pickups…oil consumption, misfires, torque converter shudder. I don’t know what I’d buy right now, but I’d probably prefer the Coyote engine/drive train. But that thing has had some issues too over the past decade, namely oil consumption.
@@doublebase6509 you don’t really know what you’re talking about. The only truck that gets a 4 banger is the Ranger. Everything else is at least a boosted v6. Also, their turbo system is so good, Toyota traded Prius tech for access to it prior to designing their system. “YOU” then try to chastise me for buying the Coyote V8 only to end up saying you’d probably buy it too. Hilarious. Ford’s 10 speed is much better than the last 6spd I had in a Tacoma. Those things hunt gears like crazy.
@@Pb_Slinger Ford puts their little buzzy 4 cylinder turbo in almost everything except their full sized pick up. Enjoy the coyote. Hopefully the “wet belt” holds up on your oil pump, and I’m sure Ford has it all figured out with their new cylinder shutoff feature (because Ford is known for their reliability). 🤣👍👍🤣🤣🤣
@@doublebase6509 nice passive aggressive comment there bud.the belt driven oil pump can support up to 1000 horsies. The 5.0 is made for modifications. I’m not worried. I also have a 13 foot car lift in my 5 car garage. I do my own maintenance and repairs. That’s why my vehicles last longer than the average vehicle in New Hampshire.
On cylinder deac, it’s incredibly easy to turn that off with drive modes. I also turned off auto start-stop. What else you got? (Besides a muscle car engine in your daily driver.)
Gotta say i would hold off until later.
I think that’s a good strategy. I’m in the same boat…I’ll wait to see how these things do. How the reliability is…oil consumption, turbo lag, engine noise, if there is a consensus that there is a need to bump the fuel grade up. Lexus is running the same engine in their RX350 and it is using 91 octane. I wonder if Toyota is saying 87 right now just to get people to buy it before letting them know…hey, that bucking sensation you’re getting at light throttle at 40 mph (where a lot of us do our driving) will go away if you buy the premium gas. Because that’s what customers are experiencing in the Highlander right now (according to forums).
I was dropping the kids off at the pool when u said 50k for a four cylinder Tacoma my jaw dropped 😮!
I paid 57k for a hybrid Tundra loaded to the Max.
We also picked up a Ranger Raptor 57k
How do you like the new Tundra? I love the look of them
@@doublebase6509 well I put 35’s /12.5 on the stock trd rims. Looks amazing! What a difference. Stock trd suspension. I actually got use to the mustache front end.
so 50k for a turbo 4 Tacoma is jaw dropping but 57k for a twin turbo 6 that recommends premium fuel is not? So a Toyota commercial grade turbo 4 versus a twin turbo 6 eco boost? 🤔
@@planoman0935 the performance your getting out of the Ranger Raptor speaks for itself. Raptor is part of its ford performance line . Probably why it runs off 93.
400 hp and 420 torque seems impressive to me. What does the Taco have for numbers being that it runs of 85?
@@mikemorales4806 So the 50K Tacoma dropped your jaw but the raptor didn't because of the performance? interesting. 23 years of data says one of those will hold their value much better than the other and it isn't the ford. Me? I don't own a truck for performance. If I wanted a truck for performance I would have bought a Rivian R1T.
I know there some folks who like a four cylinder turbo better gas mileage better performance overall just the price is were people get lost lol
Yeah I can see that, I’d argue a lot more might prefer the 6…I’m not even sure there’s a difference in fuel economy. But I get it, there may be performance advantages at some RPM’s.
Nope, not even considering a new Tacoma anymore, I'm actively looking for a used one with the V6.
Yeah that’s my thought process as well - although I do like the interior and styling of the new one. I’m just not ready to trust the 4 turbo yet, and I’m not a big fan of the sound and some of the low speed driving feel from smaller turbo engines
And used prices are outrageous as well.
Lots of comments on the price and how this turbo engine won't last 300k miles. Maybe that's what Toyota wants. Maybe they are moving to a shorter churn cycle. They don't want you to keep a truck for 300k miles. They want you trading at 100k or 150k miles. Trucks are not cheap anymore and only the frontier offers non turbo. Maybe Toyota is moving to a more affluent buyer since it is the brand more millionaires drive than any other. I can say for sure; the new 8 speed is worlds better than the 6 speed Auto transmission.
Yeah you may be right.
I’m ok with the new Tacoma with the 4 cyl. Turbo, love the torque and horsepower and the rear coils for nicer ride. But the deal killer is the price, the base SR would be $40K and the SR5 would be $50K and add insurance on top of that and I have to walk away and find something more affordable. Really dont understand how it became so expensive. It would be a bad decision to spend that much money on the new Tacoma.
I find that interesting because I’m an ASE master tech, and a lot of us talk, and just yesterday one of them said to me exactly what you’re saying, that people aren’t going to care about the switch to the 4 cylinder turbo (and it looks like he is right, and I am wrong). I figured the change would be more of a deal breaker than the actual price. I’m definitely wrong, although I do agree that the price is also a problem.
That engine is BEYOND complicated.
The first time I saw one I thought…this thing doesn’t look fun to work on.
As a mechanic. It looks like a simple engine to me
@@M85Iroc I’m an ASE master tech (not that it means much because I don’t work for Toyota), but have you seen this engine yet? That valve cover does not look fun with the direct injectors right through the cover. I don’t mind a high pressure pump integrated into a valve cover, but adding the high pressure injectors themselves looks tough. Lot of wires, fuel lines, hoses, right on top of that engine. Id have to take a close look at the location of the turbo and intake manifold, but for an engine that should have a ton of room on the sides to work, they made the top not a lot of fun. IMO. Now obviously they don’t care about us, and Toyota usually is a very reliable brand so perhaps you wouldn’t have to do many repairs anyway. Turbo has a vacuum controlled waste gate, I like that over electric like Hyundai and some other Toyotas. I like the ease of removal of the cam timing actuators, but most brands are easy to remove. I guess we’ll see with this one.
I mean. I work on Subaru all day long, and my specialty is engines. So it's nothing I'm not used to@@doublebase6509
A LOT OF MONEY NO THANKS!!
Too expensive
I can afford it, I cannot justify it.
Absolute rubbish and overpriced by 20,000 grand