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Gary Payton II FAILED Physical - Doctor Explains NBA Trade Drama

  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.พ. 2023
  • The 4 team trade involving Gary Payton II going back to Golden State is in jeopardy after Payton failed his physical and it was revealed that he has been getting pain shots and was pushed to play through pain.
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  • @BrianSuttererMD
    @BrianSuttererMD  ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Update: Payton’s agent saying he never received any toradol injections

    • @santacruzman
      @santacruzman ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That's really going to upset the fans yelling for blood from Portland.

    • @woodcutta6461
      @woodcutta6461 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Agents never lie. Also, if it was such a potential problem, why didn't Payton himself say there were no injections? Even if he didn't have injections they were knowingly putting a player that was injured out on the court.

    • @brianleichty7765
      @brianleichty7765 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He never got shots, he had oral medication.

    • @santacruzman
      @santacruzman ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@woodcutta6461 I like the "knowingly" part. Very ironic. With your knowledge why didn't you speak up sooner?

    • @LunaticTheCat
      @LunaticTheCat ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Please remake this video. This changes everything. It deserves more than just a small comment that very few people will see.

  • @donovanwoods9417
    @donovanwoods9417 ปีที่แล้ว +576

    His surgery was done by Dr. William Meyers in the Philadelphia area, the same surgeon who performed my sports hernia surgery. I am NOT a fan, as I have had five more surgeries since then due to complications from the initial surgery. Hope all goes well, Gary. I'd highly suggest a Dr. in the Bay area. I won't say his name so as to seem as if I'm promoting one surgeon over another, but I'm sure the Warriors staff know who he is. He performs the same exact surgery and is a specialist in this area.

    • @futurehofer1564
      @futurehofer1564 ปีที่แล้ว +27


    • @Max-kw2hp
      @Max-kw2hp ปีที่แล้ว +64

      I feel bad for you and wish you nothing but perfect health. I don't know that doctor but it is quite likely that he performed more successful surgeries that improved human lives than not.

    • @samoliver9132
      @samoliver9132 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Dr Neal ElAttrache?

    • @donovanwoods9417
      @donovanwoods9417 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Max-kw2hpabsolutely! Unfortunately over time, arrogance can set in with the best of us.

    • @carladavis1473
      @carladavis1473 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I wonder why he chose that surgeon?

  • @israelmutokambali7140
    @israelmutokambali7140 ปีที่แล้ว +167

    As Warriors fan this news really hurt me a lot! So this video is really what we need.

    • @josemv25
      @josemv25 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It'll be alright lol

    • @RobertLewis85
      @RobertLewis85 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same. Just heard GPII failed his physical and I'm shocked.

    • @scottthecrazy
      @scottthecrazy ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I'm pretty sure they will keep him.

    • @abouttime2569
      @abouttime2569 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@scottthecrazy Gsw will take gp. They save about 37m in luxury tax if they make this trade.

    • @futurehofer1564
      @futurehofer1564 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      we should have kept Saddiq all along

  • @leuphoniemusic
    @leuphoniemusic ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for these explanatory videos, they're very insightful :)

  • @RusteNailz
    @RusteNailz ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Brian, love your content. In future videos i would love for you to incorporate captions particularly when mentioning areas of the body with more uncommon/lesser known names. E.g. “aponeurotic plate”. I’m sure plenty others would benefit too. Thanks again!

  • @Tiazz.
    @Tiazz. ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Wow I wouldn’t think you’d cover this but I appreciate that you did !

  • @kcali_058
    @kcali_058 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Thank you, Dr. B. For breaking down the issue into simple laymans terms, stating the facts, questions and potential options.

  • @Aaron-nm1ob
    @Aaron-nm1ob ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Also keep in mind that most NBA players deal with pain every day. Jimmy Butler talks about this on a regular basis. Over an 82 game season, there is not enough time for the body to recover from things as simple as bruises and, over time, those bruises become more and more painful as they compound.

  • @kwekumensah8913
    @kwekumensah8913 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    I don’t blame the medical staff but shouldn’t the blazers front office get fined or something? Reports said that they failed to mention that GP2 was dealing with pain and could be potentially injured when they went through with the trade.

    • @carladavis1473
      @carladavis1473 ปีที่แล้ว +13


    • @-TurboS
      @-TurboS ปีที่แล้ว +6

      GP2 said this he’ll thug it out.

    • @jasonforester7292
      @jasonforester7292 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@-TurboS He wasn't part of the trade talks. The Warriors had no idea he was still technically injured and the Blazers didn't mention it in trade talks. Pretty sure that's against some league rules.

    • @-TurboS
      @-TurboS ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jasonforester7292 the league will definitely go on investigation or GP2 could’ve told the blazers medical staff he’s fine.

    • @jdelgado216
      @jdelgado216 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      If they kept that information for themselves yes its against regulations

  • @leonardkedar3640
    @leonardkedar3640 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I was looking forward see Gary Payton back with the teams

  • @Aaron-nm1ob
    @Aaron-nm1ob ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I love your videos. Critique: toradol is not more potent than ibuprofen. They are nearly identical drugs. One is simply more easily absorbed in the body via IV than the other. The same goes for elemental iron, for example.
    An iron supplement over the counter, say, is not going to be dissolved and injected into an IV. Venofer would be. Simply a different version of nearly the same thing that is absorbed more efficiently one way than the other.

  • @krissolson7043
    @krissolson7043 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always good information. Thank you Doctor.

  • @EverettBurger
    @EverettBurger ปีที่แล้ว +47

    I had first heard of Toradol during the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight.
    Apparently boxers inject themselves with it to trick their body into thinking they don't have a concussion while they are getting punched in the face over twelve rounds.
    I bet the morning after must be quite the headache.

    • @carladavis1473
      @carladavis1473 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Wow, I did not know that. That is super dangerous.

    • @blowterra
      @blowterra ปีที่แล้ว

      @@carladavis1473 that’s not true. Pacquiao was using Toradol for his shoulder. Boxers wouldn’t inject this to prevent symptoms of a concussion as it is an anti inflammatory, wouldn’t stop your brain from feeling the effects of a concussion

    • @carladavis1473
      @carladavis1473 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @mgood9742 sir, it's dangerous to mask the symptoms of a concussion. If you have a concussion, you need to know because a 2nd one could be permanent brain damage or worse. There is a reason why most sports have a concussion protocol.

    • @Brian-jb1db
      @Brian-jb1db ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Toradol is not going to work for that

    • @chiggsytube
      @chiggsytube ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is complete bullshit. When you read something, summarize it. Search for generalities preferred over specifics. Ask questions. Such as: Why would Mayweather, who never gets hit, or Pacquiao, who is fighting Mayweather's pillow hands, need to mess with Toradol shots? Utter bullshit.

  • @NatashaYimCarter
    @NatashaYimCarter ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great explanation! Thanks.

  • @MAC2890
    @MAC2890 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you so much. I commented on your Steph video yesterday begging for this. If you ever have a spare moment with nothing to do (right!), I'd love to hear an explanation of Ryan Rollins' mysterious broken bone in his foot.

  • @sebastiannavarro9066
    @sebastiannavarro9066 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    huge fan right here. Greetins and love from South America 👏

  • @flaggstaff382
    @flaggstaff382 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome Awesome Awesime, Doc S.
    Thank u!!!

  • @CALI680
    @CALI680 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    💯 🔥 💯 🔥 💯 thanks for explaining

  • @NobleSainted
    @NobleSainted ปีที่แล้ว +32

    As a long-time Warriors fan, I want to thank you Dr. Brian Sutterer for the in-depth detailed explanation. Even though Gary Payton II is given a 2-3-month estimation of recovery, having experienced a similar injury, my recovery was far longer. And in fact, the pain never went away when I was "physically active". My hope as a Warriors fan is that the trade proceeds and that Gary Payton II does in fact recover at record speed.
    As an aside, I hate that we traded such a great potential talent and nice young man in James Wiseman, but also hated the fact that we didn't keep Gary Payton II to begin with, due to the luxury tax situation. In essence, Gary was penalized for his success.
    Lastly, the NBA league needs to create and/or modify it's policy on "when a franchise *develops* talents, they should NOT be financially penalized in keeping these men", as the Warriors often are. In this way, teams like the Warriors won't suffer such dire luxury tax siyuations and can pay these men for their hard work and overcoming incredible adversity.

    • @donalvarez4006
      @donalvarez4006 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well said. Franchises definitely shouldn't be penalized for developing talent. But given what we now know about the injury, I think keeping him during a championship window is too risky. James Wiseman seems like a reasonable young man. He'll understand if they get him back...I hope 😅

    • @texchu8331
      @texchu8331 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If the NBA creates the rule, GSW should not qualify because of Wiggins. Wiggins wasn't even acquired as a rookie but as seasoned starter and 20+ point per game scorer under a standard contract.
      Not to mention that GSW benefited so much from the current rules. OKC didn't pay Harden the additional 2 million he wanted because of the penalties, which lead to Durant being unhappy and coming to GSW. Brooklyn couldn't afford to keep D'Angelo Russell, so GSW was able to get him in a sign-and-trade, and he was used to acquire Wiggins.
      GSW won 3 championships thanks to these rules, and you still have Wiggins on your roster, so yea, everyone calls bs on your complaints.
      Not to mention there would at least be a 5 year notice period before it's enacted, so by then, GSW's championship window will have passed. It'll hurt your team instead. It'll hurt even more if you trade Wiseman.

    • @lostone9700
      @lostone9700 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gp2 was not a warrior draftee he was a one year rental they had no bird rights to pay him properly. His leaving was a guarantee long before his contract expired.

    • @brycelynds3768
      @brycelynds3768 ปีที่แล้ว

      nah the last part wouldn't work though because that doesn't penalize GS nearly as much as the NBA wants to.

    • @brycelynds3768
      @brycelynds3768 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lostone9700 not true.... well yes true about him not being a draftee. but he played for us back in 2021, got cut, was a video coordinator for us, then obviously with us last year, then went to Portland and it was reported he never wanted to leave in the first place. He's been a journeyman and the dubs were the one to crack the shell of a guy no one wanted, I do think they should get some financial break for that. Same with wiggins theoretically too. No one wanted him, everyone called him a bust and now he's one of the better two way players in the league cause GS unlocked him and made something out of,,,,,,a significantly lesser something when they got him. They deserve their credit and don't deserve to be punished for it.

  • @leonardkedar3640
    @leonardkedar3640 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As Warrior fan myself that is sad news for me

  • @jennycraigadventures3314
    @jennycraigadventures3314 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    One thing to note that might affect your analysis; it appears from all the reporting that they’re saying “up to three months”, that wiggle room would allow them to put him on the court sooner without being liars.

    • @DennisAllums
      @DennisAllums ปีที่แล้ว

      i believe they have clarified as 1-3 months. doctors always emphasize the longest period.

  • @danielduncan6370
    @danielduncan6370 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man I love this channel

  • @averymcclure7595
    @averymcclure7595 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video really deserves a new update with the most recent news

  • @tikytak21
    @tikytak21 ปีที่แล้ว

    great vid

  • @Flatbush4Life
    @Flatbush4Life ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The key word is " Up to" 3 months. That means the worst case is 3 months. He could return sooner, so I don't believe that the Warriors back themselves in a corner as long as they continue to say, "up to".

  • @DaveyDeluxe
    @DaveyDeluxe ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Blazers should get fined

  • @dunmatta2670
    @dunmatta2670 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Tough spot. I still expect the trade to go through but talk about putting everyone involved in an awkward situation.

    • @abouttime2569
      @abouttime2569 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Gsw will take gp. They save about 37m in luxury tax if they make this trade.

    • @-TurboS
      @-TurboS ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Warriors definitely gonna rework the trade with Portland

    • @Pun116
      @Pun116 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@abouttime2569 If money was that serious, they axe the trade and cut Wiseman.

    • @abouttime2569
      @abouttime2569 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Pun116 Doesn't work like that

    • @ded4evrr
      @ded4evrr ปีที่แล้ว

      @@-TurboS They cant rework the trade. They can either accept the trade exactly how it is or they can reject the trade.

  • @kideternity4342
    @kideternity4342 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The only thing that I see in the comments that has me really questioning sports fans is that athletes DO ask for medication to play through an injury. It isn't always the staff. And everyone was aware of his injury since he had surgery. It still was the Warriors' decision to go for him with that knowledge. Did any of the organizations know the extent of the surgery or if he needed longer recovery? Not everyone can say that. Some people will say what these athletes want to hear or do what they can to get it done. I mean Reggie Lewis story kind of puts into perspective that even when they are being told they shouldn't play, doesn't mean they will stop. Loving the game is hard. My dad literally had a friend die in his early twenties and he was supposed to be a professional sports player because he didn't want to go to the hospital and find out he couldn't play sports. And the number of deaths and serious long term injuries in all sports, eventually you have to question the athlete too and what they knew.

    • @ast.george3565
      @ast.george3565 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's exactly what the doc said at 3:50 we don't know if Payton was forced or if he requested the shots

    • @kideternity4342
      @kideternity4342 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ast.george3565 I was talking about the comments under. They don't seem to understand that.

  • @healthyandrew5294
    @healthyandrew5294 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Do a video on the brain damage the Brooklyn Nets had to be to trade 3 Hall of Famers for role players. 🤔

  • @zvonimirbrekalo1291
    @zvonimirbrekalo1291 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Brian
    Was wondering if there are any studies that looked at the correlation between taking pain medicine during a player's career and opioid addiction after the careers are over?

    • @anodyne57
      @anodyne57 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      NSAIDs are not opioids. Matter of fact...opioids are not normally used on athletes for pain. The only use for an opioid for an athlete is in temporary relief of traumatic pain at the time of injury, or in post-op recovery where the surgery itself caused massive pain. Anti-inflammatories and steroids are more apropos to pain management like this.

  • @terrystokes2948
    @terrystokes2948 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don't train any athlete who I think is masking their pain with anything. I know that It will most likely make the injury worse even-thought they are not feeling any/or as much pain as before the injection. If a guy struggled to bench press 180 lbs., two days ago because of pain from and injury but today he is pressing 300 for reps with little pain/no pain... although he may be excited to lift his normal weight, I know that he is making his injury worse.

  • @genebrockhoff
    @genebrockhoff ปีที่แล้ว +6

    GPII played against the Dubs the night before the trade and didn't seem hampered by it at all. Bob Myers will probably accept the trade anyway to retain GPII for the future moving forward. Playoffs begin in two months. Optimistically he could be contributing by the second round.

    • @anodyne57
      @anodyne57 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You don't know how much pain Payton may have been in during the game just by looking. Playing through it may mean he did more damage to muscles, while trying to maintain his normal level of performance. Pain is an alarm that needs to be heeded. Discomfort is less alarming though not irrelevant.

    • @-TurboS
      @-TurboS ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anodyne57 it’s same injury that lillard had last of year. Lillard recovered fined. Not sure what happened with GP2.

    • @davidl.7027
      @davidl.7027 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gp2 has had one dunk this whole year with portland, even if he didnt play alot of the season that is still shockingly low... yeah somethings wrong.

    • @icydaddy
      @icydaddy ปีที่แล้ว

      He’s not going to golden state unless he can play in a month

  • @ler0y
    @ler0y ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Doctor, what specific type of movement or stress causes this injury? Thanks

  • @mikecrez
    @mikecrez ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey dr.
    Did you do a video on Carlos correa failed physicals?

  • @jasonforester7292
    @jasonforester7292 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    Hopefully the Warriors just go through with the trade so that GP2 can get the medical care with the Warriors that he clearly wasn't getting with the Blazers. Also, I really hope the league office launches an investigation into the Blazers for their handling of GP2 medically speaking, but also trying to swindle the Warriors with a trade without disclosing his medical situation.

    • @ltrigga219
      @ltrigga219 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      So, Portland got GP2 after an entire season of GP2 playing “hurt” with the Warriors. If anyone had the actual injury history on him, it was the Warriors.
      He sat out most of the first half of the season, after the same exact surgery Lillard had, and recovered from.
      This amid claims that he was unhappy in Portland, and some thoughts that he prolonged his absence due to that factor…but Portland hardly tried to swindle the Warriors by giving them a player they wanted to re-sign for the cost of a (James) handful (Bust) of (Wiseman) second rounders. Portland’s medical staff has been really good the last several years. Nurk came back from a horrible leg injury, Dame came back from this same core injury…this whole thing sounds shady, either on the Dubs side or the Blazers side, and I’m interested to hear what the final verdict is.

    • @Pun116
      @Pun116 ปีที่แล้ว

      Absolutely not. You don't do business with an organization that just tried to screw you over. You're crazy.

    • @zenjirou5315
      @zenjirou5315 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ltrigga219That seems like a good point. Warrior medical staff are the same people that said KD was fine to play and ended up tearing his Achilles or something? Plus GPII agent said he wasn’t forced to take the shots. I imagine it’s medial mispreading information intentionally to attack trailblazers and is a scheme to get back drafts or hurt the image of the blazers because media trying to force Dame to leave lol.
      Either way, I can agree a through investigation should be done on both the Blazers medical staff if they hid this information or wasn’t aware of it, and the warriors medical staff if stating GPII was forced into shots was a misplay on words that stirred too much drama. Cause if it was forced, that is a serious matter and I can’t see in todays era someone being a bench player being forced into playing for a serious injury.
      I doubt Cronin or Billups knew about the issue and if it was known it was hidden between GPII and blazers medical staff. But if the “forced” shots was a lie, GSW medical team should be fined for stirring drama since so many people were quick to demand portland franchise being fined. Lol

    • @ltrigga219
      @ltrigga219 ปีที่แล้ว

      Welp…when your agent comes out to say that his client never did what the new team is saying he did…I dunno how else to take that. By all appearances, this looks pretty shitty by the Dubs. Wonder what the response and rationale is going to be.

    • @zenjirou5315
      @zenjirou5315 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ltrigga219 yeah I agree. Warriors claimed he took toradol through shots than it spread through media. Now it’s he took it by pills. Now it’s information wasn’t shared. GPII injury they find is the same injury he got surgery with them. But I’m curious how this breaks out. I think Bob Meyers messed up and now is trying to cover his screw up by making claims of mal practice in the blazers medical staff.
      Remember when Dame was called washed after one surgery? Dude average top 6 or top 7 in scoring, averaging nearly 38ppg since the start of January 2023? It’s pretty insane how much he Carries the Portland squad.
      But yeah, investigation should be done to be sure there is no mal practice by blazers medical staff and investigation into warriors for their medical team in the handling of KD. I’m curious what the medical team did to aggravate GPII whether it was really malpractice or if it was a similar incident to Kawai where they refused to play him or had him sit out due to the recurring pain. Cause GPII only played what 15 games this season?

  • @straighttrippingmusic
    @straighttrippingmusic ปีที่แล้ว +2

    said.. could sideline him for UP to 3 months.. another report said this sounded like an "overestimation".. Don't think Warriors were aware of the shots.. at that point.. it became about negotiating better terms.. Think Warriors looking for some kind of compensation for receiving bruised goods. :)

  • @Djbrubie
    @Djbrubie ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Aaron Goodwin told Bleacher Report's Chris Haynes his client "never took Toradol shots to be available for games during his time in Portland."

  • @-Hoods
    @-Hoods ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would love to see a breakdown on the Ottawa senators goalie
    Tore both MCL’s on the same play..
    Is it rare to see someone tear both at the same time? (ACL, MCL etc..)

    • @Pit_1209
      @Pit_1209 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's in fact not that uncommon, you can google "unhappy triad" injury. I think he has already talked about it before.

  • @oland637
    @oland637 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am so mad and hurt I could spit. You mean these butts had OUR "family" GP2 playing hurt. Horrible, horrible

    • @cynthiasellers5778
      @cynthiasellers5778 ปีที่แล้ว

      I feel the same way. I am so sorry that he had to go through that. Hopefully the Warriors will not send him back.

  • @kevindown1592
    @kevindown1592 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think all of professional and collegiate sports should look into the use of Torodol. I have read about the abuses of this drug in the NFL but didn’t know it was used in other sports. The issue is it masks pain and an athlete can injure themselves further requiring long term treatment and lost playing time.

    • @Tonebaited123
      @Tonebaited123 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s just ibuprofen

    • @MutethatBozo
      @MutethatBozo ปีที่แล้ว

      Do some reading. It's been widely used by NBA players for years, now....

    • @kevindown1592
      @kevindown1592 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MutethatBozo Not only have i read about the drug I have 3 doctors in my family. I also have a close friend who is a sports medicine doctor. We have discussed this drug quite a bit.
      The issue is the drug is a pain blocker and masks the pain sufficiently a player cannot tell if he/she is doing more damage. The drug has been abused since the days when the Raiders were in LA. Read about Howie Long’s injury in the book “ It’s Only a Bruise “. I am against using the drug because of its potential to greatly shorten players careers and leave them with possible long term pain they could have avoided if they had listened to their bodies.

    • @Brian-jb1db
      @Brian-jb1db ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is extremely unlikely that an NSAID like toradol is going to mask a serious underlying injury. It's good for aches and pains, but isn't going to mask a broken bone or torn muscle to the point that you could play on it.

    • @kevindown1592
      @kevindown1592 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Brian-jb1db I hope you are right. We are talking about people who already have an extraordinary high threshold for pain. I don’t trust pro sports teams to regulate its use.

  • @7KatieBear11
    @7KatieBear11 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I hate that all these reports are claiming the “training” staff was pushing him through with these shots. Athletic trainers can’t prescribe medication, so this had to have been front office pressuring doctors or other providers who do prescribe to give these shots if it was a matter of forcing him to play.

    • @andrewbradley3305
      @andrewbradley3305 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They have doctors on the training/medical staff

    • @Brian-jb1db
      @Brian-jb1db ปีที่แล้ว

      Or it isn't true at all

    • @chiggsytube
      @chiggsytube ปีที่แล้ว

      Excellent! You don't know about the Nuremberg Defense. Please google that term and then you will realize the flaw in your statement. Never forget about the Nuremberg Defense. It's simply not.

    • @LordoftheTHOTs
      @LordoftheTHOTs ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bruh I’m a professional athlete and you would be surprise what the trainers do to save their own a**. I have been on a team where they would downplay injuries and only offer cortisone shots , so guys can get out there sooner.

    • @lukeoutmayt4487
      @lukeoutmayt4487 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LordoftheTHOTs what sport do you play (and which team)?

  • @donniewarren8363
    @donniewarren8363 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When it’s all said and done, not only will Portland be fined, possibly a loss of draft picks as well.

  • @JUG1TO
    @JUG1TO ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Looking at the recent history of the Portland medical staff, FORCING him to play is highly unlikely. They have sat out players for less, and with the recent player empowerment movement Gary would’ve told someone and it would’ve been known a month ago

  • @Dropp383
    @Dropp383 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are you worried that you'll get sued? Curious to know please. Thank You.

  • @enigmathegrayman2953
    @enigmathegrayman2953 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Too much on the line, this trade will go through and hopefully Gary will get his appropriate amount of rest before seeing the court.

  • @francisturney2938
    @francisturney2938 ปีที่แล้ว

    Real question though, can you really play through the pain on an anti-inflamatory? Like, I could see it reducing pain at the orgional site, but if you play injured that's gonna hurt when you tear or bruse it more gaurunteed. And later when you cool down or the anti-inflataory wears off, you're going to know if it's actually an injury.

  • @WeMissedSomeShots
    @WeMissedSomeShots ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Force GP2 to play for us? He was playing like
    shit. Seemed like he didn’t care and didn’t want to be here.

  • @babyboomer9560
    @babyboomer9560 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Doctor of Pharmacy U.C.S.F. Medical Center San Francisco here. Get somebody from UCSF Medical School or Stanford to look at him. But I’m writing this on Saturday Feb. 11. Too late. Warriors have to make decision today.

  • @MA_808
    @MA_808 ปีที่แล้ว

    the only trades that mattered last week were the trades that sent Irving to Dallas and KD to Phoenix.

  • @markrimelspach7041
    @markrimelspach7041 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Have to believe most times when athletes need pain medication to play it may be good short term but will they will pay a price later.

  • @strainsroses6814
    @strainsroses6814 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What are you talking about? If he’s injured, he won’t play if you know anything about the Golden State Warriors organization so they haven’t backed themselves into a corner. They’ve told the truth and he’s not going to play if they accept the trade Dr.

    @DIVISIONINCISION ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Toradol is a no-go as there are major side effects from it. Saw this in the NFL.

    • @EverettBurger
      @EverettBurger ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Boxers too.
      Have to assume if it's prevalent in football and boxing, it probably is MMA as well

  • @0mar-777
    @0mar-777 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anybody know how good is the surgeon that is going to fix Brock purdy?

  • @user-yb5cy2sz6g
    @user-yb5cy2sz6g ปีที่แล้ว

    Ok up to 3 months he can play. We will he be able to play high level defensively?

  • @revan3841
    @revan3841 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can't toradal (sp?) cause kidney problems?

  • @lasershow5235
    @lasershow5235 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yea I think this video is going to require an update...

  • @pinoyhokage0467
    @pinoyhokage0467 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm surprised I didn't see a video for Jaylen Brown

  • @hellamoney4712
    @hellamoney4712 ปีที่แล้ว

    Our doctors here in the Bay Area aren’t any better, they told Kd to play and he got injured, after the 2019 finals he left to get looked at by Brooklyn doctors and they told him he shouldn’t have been playing, those are team doctors.

    • @pandabearmadness6263
      @pandabearmadness6263 ปีที่แล้ว

      Was it really i thought kd knew the risk and still wanted to play

  • @noisepuppet
    @noisepuppet ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol at the idea that a guy like GP-II has to be coerced into playing through pain and injury. You'd have to staple this guy to the bench to keep him off the court.

  • @nicholaskorner2258
    @nicholaskorner2258 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I hope the warriors keep him....fix him and then still have him for 2 more years...jmo

  • @sergioalpert66
    @sergioalpert66 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Payton has been playing with this situation. He says he can play. The Warriors should play him.

    • @razakids6459
      @razakids6459 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Will he be very helpful is the question though. And I don't think it's good for him to play medically.

    • @sergioalpert66
      @sergioalpert66 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@razakids6459 If it's a 3 month recovery he'll be ready for the playoffs.

    • @razakids6459
      @razakids6459 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sergioalpert66 yeah probably the second round though.

  • @howardma747
    @howardma747 ปีที่แล้ว

    I will wait for more information to come out before I start pointing the finger

  • @jonmartin2913
    @jonmartin2913 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Isn't that what dame dealt with ?

  • @mestizo3113
    @mestizo3113 ปีที่แล้ว

    The fact that the Dubs have come out and stated that GP2 didn't pass his physical and the injury has also been made public, playing him is now going to look just as bad on them as it did with Portland. They've basically screwed themselves by not keeping this under wraps.

  • @pheynx7573
    @pheynx7573 ปีที่แล้ว

    Go watch a little bit of an interview Marcellus Wiley did with Vice. He talks about what painkillers, especially Toradol, did to him. He basically went into kidney failure.

  • @derekh8030
    @derekh8030 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doc are you a fan of any sports teams?

  • @oh.....5075
    @oh.....5075 ปีที่แล้ว

    Toradol is amazing

  • @franklinrodriguez6697
    @franklinrodriguez6697 ปีที่แล้ว

    He will be back March 28th vs the Pel have 2 days off and play the Spurs .. So that would 7 weeks of healing & 6 games to play

  • @coolbreeze3793
    @coolbreeze3793 ปีที่แล้ว

    You do surgeries doc?

  • @T1Oracle
    @T1Oracle ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! The Trailblazers are so dirty! I hope the Warriors keep GP2 and let him heal.

  • @pg13pacernation30
    @pg13pacernation30 ปีที่แล้ว

    So if warriors go through with the trade GPII won't be avaliable this season and get ready for next season which is shame. Warriors needed his presence this season more than ever

  • @donateloh6894
    @donateloh6894 ปีที่แล้ว

    If GPII gets seriously injured again, or gets pushed by Drillon again what now for the Warriors? They made a trade for a player that is still fragile.

  • @Jay-us8ko
    @Jay-us8ko ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you think about trigger point injections I was in a car accident my doctor was talking to me about giving me trigger point injections for my back of my neck

  • @WeMissedSomeShots
    @WeMissedSomeShots ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It figures the Warriors would simply lie to cover their asses.

  • @lostone9700
    @lostone9700 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was wondering why portland traded him.

  • @basketballsteve54
    @basketballsteve54 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, really didn't the Warriors say up to 3 months and that was early before all exams and imaging that was scheduled?

  • @elijahernst843
    @elijahernst843 ปีที่แล้ว

    Need something about mahomes ankle injury

  • @oland637
    @oland637 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here is the thing, GP2 has done MORE for the Warriors than Wiseman. And Golden State held onto, worked with and doctored Wiseman for three whole years. And they got little to NOTHING for their patience, loyalty and dedication. Surely, they can afford GP2 that same thing. GP2 is beloved family. Just like Andre Igudola. Who hasn't played 20 games in 2 years. Andre is also beloved family. I have to say, I did feel a little funny when Portland announced GP2 was starting to play. I didn't feel good about it because I wasn't sure he was ready. Mainly BECAUSE the Trailblazer had but off GP2's return Soooo many times. And also because during that time,the sports media just kept ","harping on" when will GP2 start playing. I really hate the thought of GP2 playing hurt. I could be wrong, but I think the Warriors"got wind" of the fact that Portland was playing GP2 hurt. I hope the Warriors still keep him.

  • @openlyunapologeticallyme
    @openlyunapologeticallyme ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think the Warriors will just let it slide and approve the trade.

    • @abouttime2569
      @abouttime2569 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gsw will take gp. They save about 37m in luxury tax if they make this trade.

    • @nomomania6827
      @nomomania6827 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      If the Trail Blazers had any shred of good faith, they’d either send some or all of the second-round picks back to Golden State, and/or compensate them financially.
      If the Trail Blazers don’t play ball on a renegotiation, then the NBA needs to step in - they should regardless and likely already are. Firstly, an independent doctor should assess Payton, thus determining the extent of malpractice on Portland’s side. Secondly, there needs to be a determined and set punishment for lying or giving false information during trade discussions.
      If Golden State don’t walk away with some level of compensation, then that’s a moral loss for them and the league.

    • @_morgoth_
      @_morgoth_ ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No, there should definitely be some penalty to Portland. A big fine, or returning some of the picks, or something.

    • @-TurboS
      @-TurboS ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was GP2 playing with the core injury during his time in golden state?

    • @YowzaBowzaWowza
      @YowzaBowzaWowza ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nomomania6827 OK Karen.

  • @bwp2bruce
    @bwp2bruce ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for covering this. I was specifically interested in the details on this. 3 Month recovery ... no wonder the Blazers was so quick to give him back. Blazers organization have ruined their trade trust-ability.

    • @LunaticTheCat
      @LunaticTheCat ปีที่แล้ว

      The Blazers did everything by the book. The Warriors are the ones who are putting out conflicting information.

  • @adisucipto5386
    @adisucipto5386 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    wow...to see that Blazers pushed someone to play through pain, especially this way, shows how crooked they are. that's just disgusting

    • @giasamuel7822
      @giasamuel7822 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s a business remember. They’re not the only team who does this.

    • @adamsmits524
      @adamsmits524 ปีที่แล้ว

      Theres always three sides to a matter, your side, my side, and what actually happend.. lets all just wait a bit and hope that the truth actually comes out.. I think the blazers were actually being extra cautious with Gp2 as he had been cleared to play over a month before he even stepped foot in the court, then he played limited minutes, in very few games... blazers have been cautious with multiple other injured players this year as well, pushing out timelines... And Gp2 himself said over a month ago "its about as good as its gonna get, im just gonna have to thug it out"... and even since that statement he did not play in hardly any games at all.

  • @pandabearmadness6263
    @pandabearmadness6263 ปีที่แล้ว

    Considering Wiseman isn't getting any playing time do the warriors still go through with trade

  • @Grievous_
    @Grievous_ ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As a Warriors fan we need to accept the trade, and GP2 will be back right about the time the Playoffs start, because 2-3 months is like mid April/early May

    • @carladavis1473
      @carladavis1473 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If we make the playoffs. His services are needed now. If they had known, they would have gone for og in Toronto at least that is what the "source" says

    • @jgault23
      @jgault23 ปีที่แล้ว

      I doubt he’ll be back that soon

    • @tommyharper126
      @tommyharper126 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@carladavis1473 they wanted Kuminga,Donte,and Moody with some picks for OG. That’s way too much and the warriors did good holding off

    • @carladavis1473
      @carladavis1473 ปีที่แล้ว

      @tommyharper126 ooh.. that's waaay to much. They really didn't want to trade then

    • @razakids6459
      @razakids6459 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tommyharper126 oh yeah that's a lot

  • @chrisolson3240
    @chrisolson3240 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The player always has the choice to play or not to play.

    • @carladavis1473
      @carladavis1473 ปีที่แล้ว

      No not true. Some organizations prevent a player from playing even if he wants to. Sometimes, you have to save somebody from themselves. Grant Hill tried playing on a broken ankle, not only did he almost die, his career was never the same. Also there was constant questioning and pressure about his status. The trailblazers said publicly that it was up to Gary and he was cleared to play. So why do that so when he says no I'm not ready no the public thinks he faking and just don't want to play. That is a slick way to put pressure on someone to play.

    • @anodyne57
      @anodyne57 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wouldn't it be nice if it were so simple as just that...

    • @-TurboS
      @-TurboS ปีที่แล้ว

      @@carladavis1473 Lillard played through the same injury as GP2 eventually he got it done.

    • @davidl.7027
      @davidl.7027 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's up to the medical and coaching staff first. We've seen countless times players get pissed about not being allowed to play. Most of these competitors will always say yes to playing and competin, so you cant trust the player cause theyll often pit the team before their own health. That's why the medical and coaches have final say over if they do or don't play.

  • @FupaDoncic
    @FupaDoncic ปีที่แล้ว

    Fishier when it’s in conference

  • @WeMissedSomeShots
    @WeMissedSomeShots ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Since there were no shots.. this video just turns into misinformation

  • @Nedo_ao
    @Nedo_ao ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Playing through pain on a bad team doesn't seem like a good idea, not like they was playing for the playoffs

    • @carladavis1473
      @carladavis1473 ปีที่แล้ว

      They let dame do it for over a year! What kind of franchise allows their best player do that?

  • @dmitriyivanov1190
    @dmitriyivanov1190 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    All of this seems odd. Why was this reported to the media but not to the blazers themselves? Also Gary got hurt while playing for the Warriors and played with the pain until he signed with the blazers and finally got surgery. A lot odd things are going on and hopefully will be cleared up soon. If blazers at fault then I hope something will be done to punish them but I also thing that maybe Gary was not very open with the blazers and really wanted to comeback to the warriors.

    • @Kokozaftran
      @Kokozaftran ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Your Blazers acted and dealt in bad faith and you try to turn the blame on the victims? What are you a crooked corporate lawyer?

    • @dmitriyivanov1190
      @dmitriyivanov1190 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Kokozaftran well it was just reported by Gary’s agent that blazers never gave him any shot to cover the pain so the Warriors lied.

    @TLGIII ปีที่แล้ว

    Vitamin T! Look up Toradol Armond Armstead.

  • @Dlyyzz
    @Dlyyzz ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn, Portland doesn't have a good record on injury. Both Oden and Brandon Roy are great talents that gone sideways in their career. If you look at GSW, what they did to revive Steph's career is amazing. It seems to be there are big gaps between team doctors.

    • @OhGeeGanksta
      @OhGeeGanksta ปีที่แล้ว

      Oden was injured since college. He was always going to be a risk.

  • @fivefiveniner1537
    @fivefiveniner1537 ปีที่แล้ว

    GSW will still go through with the deal. To save money by dealing Wiseman contract and get a team favorite back for the next 2-1/2 years. Granted in hindsight Blazers owe Warriors more after the fact. But Dubs are happy to get Wismean off the books. I bet the league steps in and grant's Golden State some sort of concessionary/compensatory late draft pick from Blazers. 💯

  • @johnstover4584
    @johnstover4584 ปีที่แล้ว

    How damn long does an athlete need to get better? I'm glad he is gone waited all season for him just for him to still be hurt. Matisse Thybulle and Cam Reddish already contributed more to the Blazers then Josh Hart and Gary Payton II. They actually take the three point shot when they are open.

  • @marcomcdowell8861
    @marcomcdowell8861 ปีที่แล้ว

    Portland had regrets signing a guy for a guaranteed $26 million and him averaging 4ppg. That's why they were eager to dump him on a team that had history with him. Good on GS for doing their woodshedding and not just bringing him in due to nostalgia.

    • @samueljlarson
      @samueljlarson ปีที่แล้ว

      Portland traded him because he didn't want to play or be on the team.

  • @JG124_
    @JG124_ ปีที่แล้ว

    As a Warriors fan, fuck the Trailblazers medical staff. They really had him out there playing through an injury like this, probably exacerbating it. It sucks that we traded Wiseman just to get back a player who won't even be healthy for 3 months, but all the same I'm glad we did it cause as a Warriors fan I love GP2 and it would have hurt to seen him go down with something more serious because the Portland medical staff rushed him back to quickly

    • @adamsmits524
      @adamsmits524 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am no expert but i do follow the blazers team very closely.. Gp2 was cleared to play over a month before he even stepped foot on the court this year.. and then when he finally returned, he was on minutes restrictions, and played in very few games (mult no play games).. That to me, does not sound like forcing a player back too early, or forcing a player to play... and the shots thing was someones lie.. I do sincerely hope the truth comes out, and if portland had wrong doing it should def be addressed strongly.. but some things seem very odd in this whole situation.. Also, the warriors allowed Gp2 to play all last season with his long existing core injury.. then portland signed him, then he had surgery... portland barely had Gp2 on the court this season..

  • @joshg6566
    @joshg6566 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    False news about GP needing shots to play.

  • @mervzd
    @mervzd ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess it goes both ways... Warriors trading away a player that's not in the rotation and trying to get a player that'll benefit their team. Surprise he's hurt.

  • @chiggsytube
    @chiggsytube ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes. They pushed him to play and he powered through the signs that would have told him to shut it down, or re-injured it. Gary Payton 2 is not Gary Payton, KD, Kobe, etc. What's he gonna do if his "team" tells him to shut it down? He can't take the "injury prone" tag! That'll end his career!

  • @_morgoth_
    @_morgoth_ ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Portland gets to pick up our luxury tax as penalty 😂

  • @PerfectRecordsANT
    @PerfectRecordsANT ปีที่แล้ว

    Blazers should be fined or docked some picks for not reporting health

  • @Kenadams240
    @Kenadams240 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hopefully Golden State lets it slide.