This country would rather send people to jail for non-payment of Council Tax or even a TV Licence, even if they are struggling to pay the bill. Sentences are less if you steal from shops or snatch purses from old people etc. Council tax is our biggest tax bill of the year and a big increase will be on the way again from April.
"Is Council Tax Unfair and/or Unlawful?" DEFINITELY unfair. All I get is my bin emptied (sometimes). (In my experience and opinion) councils are self-serving, nepotistic and borderline corrupt.
They have been corrupt since Victorian times. I live in Croydon, a shockingly corrupt and incompetent council that has gone bankrupt 3 times in 2 years. The Victorian Burghers of the Borough were a gang of shifty grifters involved in investor scams here in London, New York and Alberta, who fled to the US in 1885 and was extradited back to the UK, eventually dying in Pentonville. And before anyone says it, it has been a Whig, Tory Labour, NOC council at various times. Corruption has no poloitical allegiances
Council Tax might be OK, if the council did their job properly &/or there was accountability/refunds when they didn't... Unfortunately, (at least where I live) they fall pretty far short of the required standard & increase the bill each year, despite the laughable service. If you complain, their own staff 'investigate', fob you off, tell you they've done nothing wrong & that there is no case to answer. If any other organisation or business performed like that, they'd lose all their customers &/or find themselves being prosecuted for fraud. There is no motivation to do the right thing when scamming local residents is so profitable & there are no consequences.
Exactly right. I have, with their devious and misleading statements and veiled threats been fighting a parking ticket for parking on my own land for two years. I will never pay it and they don't listen, don't care and ignore their own procedures and the law. Also my council has managed to scam me out of £2435 CT by garnering my wages, despite me paying in full by debit card a month before. They have acknowledged the error and have apologised, but now tell me it will be 5 months before they can refund the money.
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN 5 Months? What? What in the world are they spending our money on that it will take them 5 months to scran £2500. If they've admitted they made a mistake and you can prove it, Send them a letter on your loan terms for them to use your money for 5 months. Make it the maximum interest rate you can legally Apply to a loan. Give them two weeks To return your money. Consider non return of the money in 14 days as acceptance of the lone terms. You will find that money jumped straight into your bank account asap. 🤣That is of course wishful thinking that It is possible to do that.
It's definitely unfair for single occupancy households! The fact a single person only pays 25% less than a house with multiple working adults is absolutely ludicrous.
Well, I and my wife live in a 2 bedroom bungalow and were paying around £2.500 a year council tax, no discounts at all. I'm disabled and my wife works 35 hours in a shop, just above minimum wage, how is that fair and were both in our 60s
They tried that before, and it led to the Poll Tax riots, so then the families with several adult children living at home but not contributing were saying 'it's unfair'.@@MrAndrewFarrow
I agree. If council tax is based upon 2 people sharing, how is it legal to make single households pay 75%? They have scammed me for about 30 years over this! I notice that they have just changed the wording to ‘at least 2 people sharing’. But since it doesn’t state 4 people, they cannot legitimately charge 75%. Also if there are adult children in the house, how many parents will be charging them council tax!?
No wonder they wanted rid of Trial By Jury because the whole thing would be abolished for demanding money for next to nothing in return or its prison ! What a lovely country we live in !!
I'm guessing you're not a net contributor so you might want to think twice about wanting a society which has no system for the redistribution of income or assets.
@@normanpearson8753 By all means tax earnings, close loopholes so corporations pay . But CT goes on pension funds that the councils poorly invested in Iceland hence them going bankrupt . When you think about it you pay stamp Duty then CT then inheritance tax, in a way you rent off the government because within a few generations the state as claw it back. Custodians at best.
Council tax might not be 'unlawful', i guess that depends where you stand on a council's legitimacy in the first place, but when a city council like Birmingham says it is bankrupt and only 1% of councils have filed their accounts in the past 5 years, then you know there is something very dodgy going on. One day, the general public will actually wake up and realise (too late) that they have been stolen from left, right and center by those same unaccountable councils.
@@eattherich9215 Some people need the money to pay for basics - like somewhere to live (shelter) and food/water. So there is a difference between 'won't pay' and 'need the money just to live'. Who are you to judge that it is 'won't pay', when you probably know nothing about those people's lives?
I turned up for council tax chasing court day and was not only not allowed to give any evidence or even speak, but was faced with forged evidence of edited “phone records” with my calls deleted from their lists. When I approached my local MP regarding this I was told, “Yes they’ve been known to do that a lot. That’s just the way it is.” 🤔
What do you expect from your so called MP? It is these very people whom sit behind closed doors deciding how much you should pay and how to then extort money from you. The same MP's by the way are payed 3or4 rimes what the average wage and this does not include all their perks, tax fiddles, second salaries and other money making scams whilst you, me and, everyone else struggle to live.
Council tax over the years (if you don't move house) takes no account of your ability to pay. Also how come so many council leaders now get paid more than the Prime Minister and put their local authorities into huge debt? There needs to be accountability
@@predatorhunteranon8315Poll tax would be more fair than the system we have. It provided for a single flat-rate, per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority. That means if you live alone in a five bed mansion, you pay the same as someone living alone in a one bed flat. Whereas under the current system, I live alone and pay the same council tax as my neighbours, who are multiple adults living in the same house. Of course, I get a 25% discount... But there are three adults living next door, paying 33% each, while I pay 75%... Now, is that really fair?
Council tax have some form of court process whereas a liability order for Child maintenance doesn’t…£196 million pounds obtained through persistent procedural error by CMS own admission and over 1000 suicides of the paying parents puts a few imprisoned people into context.
It makes me so angry.My Council tax bill is close to £200 a month.Where does it go? I never see Police on the beat in my town, roads are in disrepair with potholes.I kid you not our council spent thousands removing chewing gum from pavements,then 2 months later tore all the pavements up.Im ready for the next hike next year, to fill up their coffers.On a positive note have a wonderful new year, your videos help a lot of people.
In several places around the world, it has been found that local councils attend VERY QUICKLY and repair pot-holes in roads or footpaths promptly, if someone earlier has used brightly coloured paint to form the shape of, to be polite, "male reproductive organs" around the pot-hole formation. I'm not exactly sure what "Council Tax" is, but being from NZ & Aussie, our local city or rural district councils do charge "Property Rates". 200 UK pounds per month would be close to NZ $ 100 per week. That is probably at the higher end of mid-range for us. But certainly that charge is in the same ball-park. Council Property Rates here pay for local council roads, (NOT Main Highways) footpaths, libraries, swimming pools and sports centres, plus subsidise certain social events, like Christmas lights, and a minimal amount of subsidised social and aged person housing. Old age pensioners get charged just half the normal rate. (I help an old guy who had a stroke, and can barely sign his name with his left hand, fill out his annual entitlement renewal form). Sometimes they can further apply if they want, to pay nothing, and have the entire amount deducted from the sale of their house when they die and the place is sold. Personally I'd rather that alternate arrangements be made to fund our local councils, and the essential services they provide. To take a Christchurch City, New Zealand example, a cheapest house in the worst suburb (Aranui), bought 50 years ago for $15,000 would sell now for $515,000 . And yet upon sale, zero Capital Gains Tax would be payable here. As all house and land sales go through Solicitors for Land Title Deed Conveyancing, then it would be easy to mandate that 50% of any gross profits be sent as part of the financial settlement process, through to local government coffers. Councils could then use those funds for fixing pot-holes in roads and doing all the other good stuff, we want our local councils to do. The children and grandchildren of the original house owner, wouldn't be able to buy quite as many jetboats or bigscreen TVs as the sale of the (originally $15,000 house) would "only" nett the estate $265,000 (assuming a 50% Capital Gains Tax on the gross profit over the house's original purchase price. $15,000 + $250,000). (No Death Duties are payable here). With the "average" Kiwi home worth close to one million dollars nowadays, many folks are asset rich but cash poor, if only on Old Age Pension orother Welfare Benefits. If councils could take a portion of the windfall profits in house selling prices, they'd have plenty of money to fulfil their obligations, like fixing pot-holes in roads and footpaths etc.
For years the public has said it wants more police on the beat. The police want it too. Politicians say they'll put more police on the beat, but never do. My theory is that someone very high up doesn't want the police on the beat because they want to break the bond and trust between the police and the public and create a "them and us" situation. If the police view the public as separate and hostile, then the banks, corporations and government can count on the police to enforce secondary taxation through fines, penalties and charges etc, rather than the police siding with the public.
I understand you don't go to prison for non payment of debt, you end up in prison for not complying with a Court order. The problem and corruption is how Court Orders are applied for and granted.
bit of a contradiction isn't there... if you can't pay a debt you don't go to jail but if a court orders you to pay it and you still can't you go to jail anyway lol
no because the court order should be an amount you can reasonably afford (providing you show up to court), so you would only be imprisoned (or gaoled) if you straight up refuse to pay the amount that the court has deemed affordable to you… It would be nice if everything was free, but maybe time to grow up?
Councils have no choice but to operate the council tax - it's a system imposed by central government, and no council can fund all legally compulsory services without charging some council tax. It is a poorly designed system, and it's based on 33 year old property values, but what do you expect given it was a rush job to replace the Poll Tax?
So, why should local residents not pay for the council tax ? Who do you think should pay ? If it all comes through central taxation at the national level, why bother having local councils at all ?
@@timg1246 I'm not sure you read my comment. You certainly didn't understand it. I think there should be a form of local taxation which would allow local authorities genuine financial choice and be fairly distributed, but we don't have it at the moment; councils are forced to levy a tax and unable to remedy its defects.
@DBIVUK OK. So you don't like the current system. So what would you replace it with ? A poll tax is out. We rioted against that. So, any replacement has to be better than what we have, and not be a poll tax. So how would you replace it ? It has to take into account the following complications ; Some people live in very large households. Some people live alone. Some people live in massive houses. Some in tiny flats. It has to fairly interact with the business rates system. What happens when councils over spend or face other budgetary problems ? Should central government bail them out or let them sink ? Should central government set budgetary limits and borrowing criteria ? Should councils have the authority to indulge in commercial projects ? Should poorer areas get subsidies from central government taxation or from rich councils ? Let me know your answer to those questions, as you have obviously spent time thinking about them.
@@timg1246 Personally I would return to domestic rates. Only make the change recommended by Layfield in the 1970s and base them on capital values not rental ones. Retain the single person discount from Council Tax. Then set up a proper system of rates rebates for people on low income.
@DBIVUK Given that the current council tax bands are based on the assessed relatice value of your property, It is doubtful that this would achieve very much. Also, there are already various discounts or exceptions based on likely ability to pay. The benefits system also takes into account the council tax system. In other words, your suggestions are more or less already built into the system.
Council tax is massively unfair, I don’t mind chipping in to local services but the government takes it all and gives the local councils a bit back, I pay the same amount with 2 people in the house as I did with 5 in it.. How’s that fair.. Also there’s a group of people in Hereford that are taking the council to court for basically racketeering.. obtaining money illegally..
Yes well the fair system was going to be introduced by Thatcher. Every one paid their way under that system. However stupid people made home owners tax collectors for the people who lived there. The problem was that to enforce it no one could be off grid and every one would have to state where they were every Night. Not having a place to stay would have been illegal as would not having money.
'The same amount of council tax regardless of 2 or 5 people in the house?' That is why they tried to bring in 'Poll Tax'. Two identical houses one with 5 adults uses more local services than a neighbouring house with 2 adults. Look how that turned out... People are never happy when Tax is involved. I paid my poll tax when I lived in London BUT objected to the extra levy of £39 (if I remember the amount right) for those who illegally arrived at Heathrow Airport and were provided with hospitality while being held by the Home Office. I didn't choose to live there my ex was posted to RAF Uxbridge.
@@madma11 yes it is.. I run a small business and with rates and insurance, Eletric gas and minimum wage going up I can say it’s not worth my while.. a lot of bigger companies are registering overseas to avoid the uk tax.. never voting conservative again..
Totally agree, I can’t shake the feeling he is there to ‘tell’ just do as you are ‘told’ I unfollowed him a long time ago but still he comes up in my suggested feed…. BBB = gatekeeper
It’s not fair in the sense that one house can accommodate 1 person or 20 they still pay the same. But they all access docs, education, social and other facilities funded by the tax. A much smaller contribution by those living in the house accommodating 20.
@@captainnemo190 I think the original post raises a valid point and that's partly why they introduced the poll tax. What a fair discount is may be debatable.
The history of Poll taxes (introduced in the middle ages, and later by Mrs Thatcher) doesn't speak well of that idea, both cases led to civil unrest and rapid replacement with something else. To be fair, one advantage of CT is that it is difficult to hide a property, shelter it in a tax haven and so on so a property based tax is "easy" to collect. A tax based on the number of residents simply invites people to 'forget' to declare some of them.
@@roberthuntley1090 for sure but don’t you think it is unfair on those with 2 people in the house and those with 10 ? Surely a better way needs to be thought of to distribute this cost? For example there are many houses in London where the owner has people living in the sheds or converted garages council is unaware of this that house only contributes for one house and there are two or three separate families. 1 family would require less resources then 2/3.
So,what we are really seeing here is even when the system is out of order it still isn't honest enough to admit it is wrong.....sounds about right to me.
My local council thought they were being clever when they borrowed millions to spend on speculative property deals - fine when the market's rising but a nightmare when it crashes.
Just because it’s too busy for regular quotes to manage with the number of people that are going to court over council tax does not give the court system, the right to skip over our justice. All kangaroo courts should be got rid of completely. The only types of courts should be jury courts of our peers, no more magistrates or district, judges, or whomever making judgement calls for themselves.
I'm worried with the amount of unrest in Britain these days, But If deemed unfair or unlawful by the subjects or people we have the rights to withhold payment. CT is unfair, close these tax loopholes for the corporations and we could all live a better life.
@@bobbyfred3761 Labour was in power for years, but the corporations like Amazon still don't pay their taxes. They had a chance to do something but clearly chose not to.
@worldofenigma1 I'm sorry out of the last 40 years labour was in power for 10. The conservatives have had 13 years to separate themselves from that method and have chosen not to. There's a new different labour out there now, but it's always the same conservatives
@@bobbyfred3761Labour have been in power twice in my voting life, and left the country in a right state both times, selling Gold at a super low price, taking us in to wars etc. Hate to think if they get in power and over spend like normal, what will happen. At least the Tories have Covid to blame.
@HELVIS : A little information for your benefit.... you don't have to at all. Enquire about Declaration form for this issue - to say no one is living their so you don't pay. This has been out in the 'trade' for years. Do know councils will say this form doesn't exist but it legal required service has to be provided. Can you guess why arh helvis ???? To line their pocket more!
@@trevoradams3350No, you didn't. The point you raised was discussed in the video and shown to be wrong. Still, you know better than every court in the land and every solicitor and barrister. Good for you.
So councils removing due process is legal is it You watched it but didn’t listen Until yo know people that have suffered and I mean suffered from this illegal and corrupt tax and councils, you won’t ever understand
Northern Ireland has maintained the "rate system" which is much fairer but I guess if someone knocked on the door demanding money in NI, they would probably get shot. However, the tax system is extremely unfair and disproportionate. Why do we pay taxes when nothing gets done, roads full of potholes, drains not cleaned, dirty streets, no dentists. I have complained to Angela Eagle but now she has blocked my email address, so much for democracy.
Maybe 'nothing gets done' because there are lots of people withholding their council tax payments, and so the council doesn't have enough income from residents to carry out the services that you want? You can't have stuff without paying for it. Novel idea, I know......
@@Janet62LG I would agree with you, however, the affluent area of the same council is beautiful and clean, they even clean on a Sunday, the poorest areas are dirty and left to rot. Also the average life expectancy is split, the average age of death in west Wirral is 81 years old, east Wirral is 76. My questions are ignored by the genocidal politicians.
@@Janet62LG People 'not paying' taxes are probably those who can't afford it as they need the money for basic living expenses, like having somewhere to live (shelter) and food to eat. So yes, to have these basic things you need to pay for those.
Unbelievable, in a supposed modern country where you could go to prison for not paying CT, it's horrifying and sick.how is it legal for a council which is a corporation , not release how they are spending all the money they collect and we cant take them to court but thet can force people to pay for services which are unknown.
The services are not "unknown". There is a leaflet that comes with every year's council tax demand that explain what services are provided. You might want to read the attachment to the 2024/2025 bill.
@@eattherich9215He prefers wilfully ignorance. It allows his supposedly righteous indignation to flourish. The amount of un-supportable nonsense you will see in these comments is ridiculous.
Ok. So if council tax is all above board and legal and not corrupt in any way, why do they not use the proper legal system? Courts, judges etc. Why do they hire a courtroom and impersonate a judge( seen videos with my own eyes) where the so called magistrates were forced to leave the court( because they had swore no oath) and one where the magistrate was arrested for impersonating a judge? I have been sent documents with no name and no signature? Thats not a legal document its heresay? If it where a bill then there should be a bill or invoice? There isnt. If it was legal there would be no doubt. I am allowed to represent myself against any false claim or ficticious debt or lien? Which i believe it is. All i got from council was a DEMAND. In red letters? A. DEMAND. For payment? What the hell is that? I purchase no other service where the provider corresponds like this? Although. The TV licence is similar is it not? False claims and trickery? I have no contract and no service from the council? I am also taxed to the hilt on every other thing i buy. Fuel, food, energy, cigarettes, clothes, building materials, etc etc etc ! Had enough with tax. Been taxed into a criminal. A lot of folk are in survival mode. And as such have to prioritize in favour of food, heat, fuel. Paying the council to squander money like its going out of fashion, is not high on the list! Paying this corrupt and tresanous government is not high either! I think i speak for a good number of people. Not just here in uk. But all over rhe western world? Our governments and councils do not work for us anymore. They work for the UN EU. WEF. WHO. ? Thats not a question at the end. I mean the who. Not the band. The organisation! WHO. The fcuk are they? Unrelated meddlers. Shitenhousens!😮
They don’t use the proper court system and processes because they can’t because it’s illegal what they’re doing. Who won these councils think they are hiring court rooms. Pretending to be judges.
Hang on when I was poor single mother of three children in the 1990's I was taken into a "room" and was misled/lied to by the council put before a layman magistrate. They then went to shaft my earnings 3 times over. I was on the minimum wage then.
Council tax is a rip off. It's unlawful. If it is lawful, why can't our local council offices show me the law that says we are obliged to and must pay it?
@@motiveintentionsincerity yep, you are right, I'm not selfish. Tell me,, what happened to all the tax I already pay off my hard earned wages. 45 years worth so far and why should I have to pay a second tax under threat of prison? We ain't even getting value for money. Taxes were introduced years ago, to pay for wars and for the armies to fight wars. You speak like a typical free loading tory minister, any minister for that matter. All benifit scroungers in high offices.
@@fredmercury1314 No they won't, all they come back with is,, "Well, we all have to pay, it's the law". But they never state the law. They just waffle on about how everyone pays, has to pay.
It is debatable whether council tax is fair, what is definitely unacceptable is the LEVEL of council tax. For those on average wage, it is often around 10% of their gross income, even more afer income tax. So combined with 20% income tax, these two taxes alone take 30% of many peoples income! Also consider 20% vat, fuel tax which actually two taxes, vat and fuel duty, which are exorbitanty high, high housig costs, high transport costs, car or public, etc, etc, it's little wonder that people have virtually no disposable income and cannot afford to buy a house. The reason we are taxed so highly is due to incompetant, inefficient, wasteful and excessive government. If government was a company selling goods we would be fully justified in demanding a refund for it not being fit for purpose. £2500 and more per annum for council tax is outrageous and cannot be justified, especially when you here the stories I've been told by council workers about the criminal inefficiency and waste that afflicts everything they do. In 1990, when local tax was called rates, I was paying £280 per year, which would be about £780 today, the full council tax for the same property today is £2750! Something is very wrong with that!
The whole tax system is not fit for purpose, I pay council tax road tax and income tax plus national insurance, I then pay for private heath cover because the nhs is useless I pay private pension because the state pension is useless I pay private dental because the nhs is useless I pay repair costs on the car because the roads are shite , you never see the police and they don’t turn up if you phone them , I don’t have children so don’t use the schools , I even cut the grass on our street because the council won’t do it ,this country is a failed state and I am sick of it
Tax is not about you personally getting any of those things (which as opposed to your claims are not useless as I can attest I have had use of most all of those many times). Tax is about us all having the safety of those being cared for. What you should be outraged about is government and central bank colluding to steal your money by devaluing the pound. This is the root of most of society’s pain since 1913 and increasingly since 1971
@@geffhome "Tax is about us all having the safety of those being cared for." Not all tax is used for that. The government spends massive amounts on weapons for war. It is war that has cost the country a lot over many years. Problems in the economy came after the Iraq war. The US government told their people to spend more to pay for that war, and that is what led to the 'sub-prime' mortgage crisis and subsequent crash in the economy that also affected Britain. The government stupidly bailed out the banks, costing us more. Then more recently they started war in Ukraine and were funding that. That war led to a gas pipeline being bombed (by whoever - UK government/US government, or Ukraine/Russia). That has led to massively increased energy costs due to the government having failed over many years to have secure energy sources, having closed down the coal power stations and failing to invest in alternative sources as well. That has led to massive problems with the economy - all of this being due to WAR. Apart from that, they were printing money during COVID-19 and lockdowns - after having failed to close the borders to stop the virus entering the country, with no investigation into the labs in China (and elsewhere). I think very likely it was a manufactured virus.
@John-sv4jb Well we all know the blackbelt ...... misguided perp is defending the system why? It enriches his life so why would he bite the hand that feeds his life style.
@@vatsmith8759 if some don't pay and get away with it because of the law they know in the first place to not pay it.. then the law he states as you say isn't a given.. there is legal disputes all the time which is why there is lawyers to begin with.. the black book of law is often ambiguous so you can interpret and get off with things if you're powerful and get the book thrown at you if you're piss poor and/or don't have a good lawyer
The most important point that Daniel misses is that because there is no longer any written Liability Order that the Bailiff’s can actual use to comply with The Tribunals Courts and Enforcement Act 2007 Schedule 12 sec 26 therefore the Leighton ruling effectively removes the ability of the council to use their first line of attack. The custodial sentence for council tax will be repealed this year as the government has already discussed this so this is on the way out. Al wrongly mentions that a council can issue a liability order as well. He is also wrong that a lawyer represents the council as well as this is not then norm as the council mostly do it themselves. Out of 1500 cases only a dozen ever turn up and they are normally dealt with in the foyer by the council unless the defendant elects to argue their case.
Council Tax itself is criminal. If there were a fairer tax system where the wealthy millionaires and billionaires and certain corporations actually payed 'any tax' and preferably an equal percentage of tax, then there'd be no need for council tax.
I've had adjournments in court because I asked for the judges oath, stopped for asking for proof of debt, and when the court bailiffs turned up, they left when I refused to accept a warrant on a tablet with no name of any kind, went back to court and they wrote of the costs, when I did a company house check every council was self declared insolvent way back in the late 90s and most of the mid 2000, in affect trading unlawfully, yet got round it by confusing people with borough Council and local council, yet useing the headed paper with the logo, this was classified as paper fraud because what was supposed to be the official watermarked summons, was infact on paper you could buy from most stationers and not official The criminals are the councilors, screwing people who are paying for things that they never use want or asked for.
@@danharte6645 Some people just repeat political propaganda against and blaming the poor for the ills in society. It is of course a form of discrimination.
Poll Tax/Council Tax discussions really interest me, the population was encouraged to buy their council homes at a discount price releasing the responsibility of maintenance for those properties for councils…then a year or two later the Poll Tax was ‘created’ generating similar funds to the councils that they previously enjoyed as rent but without the financial impact of having to maintain those properties…it’s a brilliant piece of legislation - I struggle to understand how someone like myself with a limited educational background can identify a manipulation in this ‘right to buy’ strategy and highly educated university types seem to be blind to it…not just politicians but journalists too. and just to finish things off, the council funds were maintained to a similar level before the sell off, they had/have less responsibility but we get loads more excuses for the poor standard of service that is delivered or silly explanations for higher taxes that we are expected to tolerate…I enjoy a decent level of comfort and reckon I’m in a better position than my parents were…there might be a reasonable explanation for treating the population like cattle and maybe it’s me that is missing the point…but the truth is out there…and no person, authority or organisation can hide from the true facts. 😇
I don't have to pay council tax, we pay a boat licence fee to live on the canal network and 'poll tax' is part of it, my licence is about a third of what my son is paying for CT for a one room crappy flat in London.
It also covers water supply / sewerage areas / rubbish collection and loads of other stuff like hot showers (all included) that the council tax and other bills are 'used' for when living on the land (so to speak).
Off topic somewhat but hoping the government will provide such provisions for "vanlifers" - if they're not building affordable housing then alternative living will be sought. Unfortunately many people call van dwellers free loaders and such. There is no 'roaming tax' payable, but many would love water, toilets, parkups and waste even if that comes at a cost.
@@S.Trades@S.Trades well he doesn't own the flat and I do own my boat and it's value has gone up near 10k in the last 2 years and I only paid 9.5k for it back in 2018 and his rent has gone up 200 a month in the last couple of weeks too. So I reckon I am winning on this one, my mooring fee if I take one for a year is only 300 quid more than he pays for one month's flat rent before all bills.
@@TheVanderfulLifetotally agree, I lived on the road for Iiver 30 years, medical crap has stopped me driving but am still allowed to do 4mph on my boat 😅
This is a bit silly how fast they get on people for missed payment. I remember when i first started working and counsil tax came knocking fair enough. Chistmas time i was working longer than the offices were open and after a monthe the fucking rats summoned me to court. Makeing criminals out of working people typical britan. Could have paied by phone but as a teenager i didnt know the outcome of a late payment would be call me a criminal, and suffered with anxiety on the phone so i prefered at the office. If you couldnt tell still havemt quite got over that
Why don’t we have a system where we only pay one amount of tax out of our wages or salary to cover all of the things that we’re supposed to be paying for to run the country?
My wife and I pay the same council tax as my neighbours who have 4 living there yet we were given a smaller wheelie bin due to only being 2 of us. When called I was told that is my entitlement. Bins are collected every 3 weeks,, surely if that is the case I should pay less!
@BlackBeltBarrister The section starting on 22 mins is incorrect. There can not be two forms of action in endorcing a Liability Order for Council Tax, furthermore, enforcement is not carried out through the County Court, Civil Enforcement Agents (Bailiffs) can be instructed by the Local Authority on the granting of a Liability Order, this is also true for Attachment of Earnings and Attachment of Benefits. Only a Charging Order on property would go through the County Court. Committal to Prison would of course be through the Magistrates Court. Civil Enforcement Agents are certificated through the County Court before a Judge for a 2 year period and work under the Taking Control of Goods Regulations 2013.
Thought this was going to be a good video but you missed so much out. Magistrates have to have conducted a financial means test 'at the time' the liability was due, otherwise imprisonment is unlawful, Magistrates never conduct financial means test at time liability is due. Imprisonment can not be used as punishment, only to coerce debtor to pay. If a relative or friend pays off debt this proves debtor could not pay and was not wilful refusal or neglect. A suspended prison sentence can not be longer than two years. So magistrates can not make order of instalments to go on longer than two years, if reasonable instalments would pass two years magistrates can zero debt. Anyone imprisoned once out their debt is uncollectable using the courts, the debt is zeroed. So council gain nothing imprisoning people. There is so much more.
Council tax is a minuscule part of taxable revenue collected by the state. Total tax revenues are 1,027 billion. Council tax is 42billion…just 4% of the total. Income tax/NIC totals 430 billion (ten times what we pay in CT) and VAT/duty is over 200 billion (five times higher.) The reason most people whine incessantly about council tax is in most cases it’s the only tax they have to actually pay directly rather than it being taken either as PAYE or at a point of sale. Unfortunately a lot of people are either incapable of or unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives.
Council tax is certainly unfair. Why should a single person pay only 25% less than a family who probably have two and sometimes more adults living in a property and why should someone living in a bigger/ expensive house pay more for council services than someone in a small/cheaper property?
I agree. Single people pay the most at 75%. Two adults in a house are effectively only paying 50% each, if there are three then it will be 33% each, and so on. Living in a bigger house doesn't necessarily mean more ability to pay more tax, as most people don't get any income from their homes, but we all need somewhere to live. Selling my house would not help, as I am only in a band B property, and there are not many lower cost houses, and there would be the cost of selling the house and then buying the new smaller one. The difference would be so small that it would be swallowed up by the costs, and would take up a lot of time and the stress of moving. In my own case, when I bought, the only smaller place was a 1 bed flat that was a similar price, and the house I am in was actually reduced in price due to various faults in it, so actually cost less, and there is a garden that the flat would not have had. Renting privately now would cost me probably more than three times as much in monthly payments.
Yes it seems unfair. My daughter is a newly qualified teacher and as the only earner in a house share with other occupants who are students has to pay the whole lot on her own. Feel sorry for her really.
The council will have a threshold of which they can increase it by each year, however they can sidestep it by removing a service and then offer it back at a subscription. We used to get garden waste removed however they removed it and offered it back at £37 a year, but your initial bill didn't decrease at all. so in effect you get an increase then another one if you require the removed service
I live in Birmingham and we all know the council is bankruot due to gross incompetence. When they raise council tax in Birmingham, will they be legal as none of this is the fault of the Birmingham population. And yet we're expected to remedy their mistakes with our hard earned money. Is this lawful? Thankyou.
You are right - the people should not be punished just because the local authority failed to control their own spending. Or if the issue is partly down to not getting enough financial help from the central government for things they might be legally required to do, like helping old/vulnerable people, then that is also not the fault of the people.
Council tax is a rip off ..I’m in Jaywick they at times don’t pick up bins fly tipping and the council leave it and some houses have rubbish ,dead cars hanging around for years and the bent council does nothing about it , some police are bent here also ..The council don’t help homeless ..now councils are going bust and there be more I’m very sure of that ….with thousands of pounds gone where …they have ground to a holt but build something that few people interested ..
surely, the official that provided false information misrepresented facts to the court and should be held in contempt of court - or - guilty of perjury, and given a custodial sentence. I am certain that the career beauracrat might take their work more seriously if there were consequences to misrepresenting the facts.
The unfortunate fact is that local authorities abuse the Council Tax Regulations, which are supposed to be used to deal with Won't Pays, rather than Can't Pays. This abuse has been going on for a number of years and is now reaching the point where the malfeasance of local authorities and the courts is rapidly progressing towards the point where it will become a scandal. Should local authorities be allowed to seek Liability Orders or Commital to Prison Orders against those who are struggling to pay? In my view, ALL those summonsed to court should appear in front of the Bench and those who are clearly Can't Pays should have their names struck from the Cause List and the local authorities' claim for costs refused.
Somerset county council told me that my unaffordable CT payments were more important than my mortgage payments so I ended up getting into £5000 of arrears on my mortgage to try and pay CT until KMC advised me there going for repo on our home so I stopped CT and paid the mortgage and then ended up with 5 CT liability orders all at different courts and all advised I was not allowed to attend the hearing. I contacted the magistrates court by phone and asked them if there were any liability ordered against my name and home and they confirmed there was nothing outstanding. Thats when Bristow and Sutor visits started and advised on every visit there were acting under a magistrates court order when I said no you are not I have checked they advised the council had authorised the claim and instructed Bristow and Sutor to there harassment
Nobody want to talk about the Marc Horn v Liverpool Council case, where he insisted on the case being heard before a real Magistrate, and not a private room hired for the day, and the real Magistrate ordering the Council to prove any debt existed, and that the Local Government Finance Act 1992 is NOT proof of a debt? Just asking ;-)
@@D-Bunker-zv1bj that's absolute rubbish ALL CAPS IS DEBASED DOG LATIN FRAUD it ain't English Can you prove it's rubbish because I can prove it means a lot 👍🤣🤣
All taxes need a lot more scrutiny . I believe much of the revenue ends up lodged in the bank accounts of already very wealthy corporations and politicians .
It has been made aware to all legal advisors working for Councils since 2003 and they were reminded again in March 2023 that the Liability Orders they send out are in fact NOTIFICATIONS not recognised by the Court. Is it not a crime to forge Court documents? Is this not fraudulent? What about Councils printing out their owns SUMMONS and adding the Courts logo to make it look as if it was issued by the Court? How can a Council be both running a Court and the Claimant at the same time? Is this not a serious clash of interests?
CT same as window tax and bedroom tax poll tax we all control by conman in suits.window tax abolished due to lack of light council tax should be abolish for mental health
I have simple question - if the Swansea high court case was not relevant why did the judge award £4000 in damages? it would been better to concentrate on this rather than move off to the judicial review.... 2nd Question - why is the council issued documents legally acceptable when this clearly breaks 1888 local government Act section 78(2)
Andrew thankyou, good clear answer, now I have another question, I asked my council under a FOI request who gave them permission to act as a court. They answered that they do not have that power and do not act as a court/magistrate....I asked the magistrate for records regarding my liability order, they have no records....so who is the legal arbiter of this case?? Nobody is taking responsibility for that role...
@@mikkyfinn1111 Just read it and it doesn't repeal section 78 unless I missed something....However, it appears context of section 78 might not apply to every situation....I'm looking deeper in to it....thanks for you input though....
Draconian copyrighted patented legislation passed by your over lords and enforced by ignorant knuckle dragging meat heads is how they keep the mud hut plebs in order.
If it wasn’t for council tax in Scotland, I would have to pay for water rates, as it’s all encompassed with water supply and treatment. So I don’t mind paying council tax.
9.25 is totally incorrect.My recent appearance involved no council lawyer only an employee of Birmingham city council that ''has'' no legal training.Let's get the facts correct.
Lots of taxes are unfair. Council tax because you and your neighbour live in the same type of house. 2 people live in your house and 8 people live in your neighbours house but your council tax is the same rate. Even though they use x4 the facilities. Road tax because you and your neighbour own exactly the same make and model of car. You drive 1,000 miles per year and your neighbour drives 10,000 miles per year but your road tax is the same. Even though they make x10 emissions.
Would you consider discussing the difference between police detaining you and arresting you. I refer to the TH-cam video by Audit Oblivion, entitled: ‘Educated American thinks he can school police in London’. Three men are stopped walking along the pavement and ‘detained’ due to an assault that took place nearby. Is this False Imprisonment as in Walker Vs Commissioner of the Metropolis (2014). What would have happened if the detainees had simply walked on regardless?
A friend of mine has to pay council tax for nothing. She lives in a private area. A privately owned caravan park where she can live all year round. A privately paid company empties the bins deals with street lighting basically anything and everything the council claims your council taxpays for they do not do as they are paid for to a private company. Yet they still have to pay council tax they have all been taken to court and the judge has said while the council does nothing for the money and its free money to the council gets they are still liable. How is that fair.
It is not case of whether council tax is legal, it is how its use is perceived. In that perception there are questions of the amount and upon what it is spent! The problem is there is no mechanism for putting councils and worse still HMG, for a legally binding public initiated inquiry where they can call KCs of their choice, even retired ons. That genuinely holds politicians to account.
People don’t have a problem with paying taxes. What people have a problem with is the mismanagement of these taxes. Highly paid underperforming politicians who are there to serve their interest than that of the majority of the people paying those taxes!
I recently saw a video of a council meeting in I think Ukraine in which an individual scattered several grenades among those present. Having attended some parish, town and county council meetings I'm beginning to understand his viewpoint.
This country would rather send people to jail for non-payment of Council Tax or even a TV Licence, even if they are struggling to pay the bill. Sentences are less if you steal from shops or snatch purses from old people etc. Council tax is our biggest tax bill of the year and a big increase will be on the way again from April.
Never paid it. Still fighting. Think it will all collapse before they get around to me. 😮
and what shall be proportional punioshment for wasting of millions of pounds of public money? H, D and Q?
If you are struggling to pay the TV licence then simply stop watching live TV/iPlayer and cancel your licence.
@@ditch3827 or take a stand
It's your fault tho accepting being the debtor 😵💫🤐 ignorance of the law is no excuse 🤔
The system is the problem. The system is corrupt.
"Is Council Tax Unfair and/or Unlawful?"
DEFINITELY unfair.
All I get is my bin emptied (sometimes).
(In my experience and opinion) councils are self-serving, nepotistic and borderline corrupt.
Do the council get paid for your bins to be emptied? This may be an inportant question
They have been corrupt since Victorian times. I live in Croydon, a shockingly corrupt and incompetent council that has gone bankrupt 3 times in 2 years. The Victorian Burghers of the Borough were a gang of shifty grifters involved in investor scams here in London, New York and Alberta, who fled to the US in 1885 and was extradited back to the UK, eventually dying in Pentonville. And before anyone says it, it has been a Whig, Tory Labour, NOC council at various times. Corruption has no poloitical allegiances
Yes, I pay the council to empty my bins and sometimes, they actually do it.@@paulmac12345
Not even borderline corrupt, entirely so. As with Mps, you may ask a question but will not necessarily get an answer.
@@paulmac12345yes lol.
Council Tax might be OK, if the council did their job properly &/or there was accountability/refunds when they didn't... Unfortunately, (at least where I live) they fall pretty far short of the required standard & increase the bill each year, despite the laughable service. If you complain, their own staff 'investigate', fob you off, tell you they've done nothing wrong & that there is no case to answer.
If any other organisation or business performed like that, they'd lose all their customers &/or find themselves being prosecuted for fraud. There is no motivation to do the right thing when scamming local residents is so profitable & there are no consequences.
Exactly right. I have, with their devious and misleading statements and veiled threats been fighting a parking ticket for parking on my own land for two years. I will never pay it and they don't listen, don't care and ignore their own procedures and the law. Also my council has managed to scam me out of £2435 CT by garnering my wages, despite me paying in full by debit card a month before. They have acknowledged the error and have apologised, but now tell me it will be 5 months before they can refund the money.
Your Council Tax does not go to the Council it all goes to the govt. Total scam
Don't like it, vote, most councils in the UK are Tory, we vote for them consistently so suck it up buttercup
Why is there no prison for these councils who provide no services and use it for their own political ideology
@@PORRRIDGE_GUN 5 Months? What? What in the world are they spending our money on that it will take them 5 months to scran £2500.
If they've admitted they made a mistake and you can prove it, Send them a letter on your loan terms for them to use your money for 5 months. Make it the maximum interest rate you can legally Apply to a loan. Give them two weeks To return your money. Consider non return of the money in 14 days as acceptance of the lone terms. You will find that money jumped straight into your bank account asap. 🤣That is of course wishful thinking that It is possible to do that.
It's definitely unfair for single occupancy households! The fact a single person only pays 25% less than a house with multiple working adults is absolutely ludicrous.
Well, I and my wife live in a 2 bedroom bungalow and were paying around £2.500 a year council tax, no discounts at all. I'm disabled and my wife works 35 hours in a shop, just above minimum wage, how is that fair and were both in our 60s
Would you prefer every adult to pay the same amount?
They tried that before, and it led to the Poll Tax riots, so then the families with several adult children living at home but not contributing were saying 'it's unfair'.@@MrAndrewFarrow
I agree. If council tax is based upon 2 people sharing, how is it legal to make single households pay 75%? They have scammed me for about 30 years over this! I notice that they have just changed the wording to ‘at least 2 people sharing’. But since it doesn’t state 4 people, they cannot legitimately charge 75%. Also if there are adult children in the house, how many parents will be charging them council tax!?
Single people should get a 50% discount.
No wonder they wanted rid of Trial By Jury because the whole thing would be abolished for demanding money for next to nothing in return or its prison ! What a lovely country we live in !!
All tax is unfair. I'm tired of paying for under-performing politicians and civil servants who won't do as they're told.
Of cou😊rse it's not unfair ,, how do you run a country without taxes?
@@normanpearson8753 the irony he just can't cope without his services though 🥴
I'm guessing you're not a net contributor so you might want to think twice about wanting a society which has no system for the redistribution of income or assets.
@@normanpearson8753 By all means tax earnings, close loopholes so corporations pay . But CT goes on pension funds that the councils poorly invested in Iceland hence them going bankrupt . When you think about it you pay stamp Duty then CT then inheritance tax, in a way you rent off the government because within a few generations the state as claw it back. Custodians at best.
@@normanpearson8753donations ?
It's money for menaces. Isn't that unlawful??
you do not use money, wake up.
That's a whole different subject,
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@@paladin1066 What?
@@Scriptures_K what part of the above do you not comprehend?
Council tax might not be 'unlawful', i guess that depends where you stand on a council's legitimacy in the first place, but when a city council like Birmingham says it is bankrupt and only 1% of councils have filed their accounts in the past 5 years, then you know there is something very dodgy going on. One day, the general public will actually wake up and realise (too late) that they have been stolen from left, right and center by those same unaccountable councils.
It's a sad state of affairs when effectively it's illegal to be poor and you go to prison for it.
Won't pay is different from can't pay.
@@eattherich9215 Some people need the money to pay for basics - like somewhere to live (shelter) and food/water. So there is a difference between 'won't pay' and 'need the money just to live'. Who are you to judge that it is 'won't pay', when you probably know nothing about those people's lives?
I turned up for council tax chasing court day and was not only not allowed to give any evidence or even speak, but was faced with forged evidence of edited “phone records” with my calls deleted from their lists. When I approached my local MP regarding this I was told, “Yes they’ve been known to do that a lot. That’s just the way it is.” 🤔
You gotta put paperwork in before the case get it signed
@Anonymum: what took you to court if you were not in arrears with the tax?
What do you expect from your so called MP? It is these very people whom sit behind closed doors deciding how much you should pay and how to then extort money from you. The same MP's by the way are payed 3or4 rimes what the average wage and this does not include all their perks, tax fiddles, second salaries and other money making scams whilst you, me and, everyone else struggle to live.
Was it a real court or just a private room hire by the council?
Council tax over the years (if you don't move house) takes no account of your ability to pay. Also how come so many council leaders now get paid more than the Prime Minister and put their local authorities into huge debt? There needs to be accountability
Council Tax is disgusting
It's poll tax but under a different name
@@predatorhunteranon8315 almost, the way its applied and charged is a bit different...
@@predatorhunteranon8315Poll tax would be more fair than the system we have. It provided for a single flat-rate, per-capita tax on every adult, at a rate set by the local authority.
That means if you live alone in a five bed mansion, you pay the same as someone living alone in a one bed flat. Whereas under the current system, I live alone and pay the same council tax as my neighbours, who are multiple adults living in the same house.
Of course, I get a 25% discount... But there are three adults living next door, paying 33% each, while I pay 75%...
Now, is that really fair?
So are self privileged selfish people
@@motiveintentionsincerity -yes, usually those who allocate council tax funds for self gain
Council tax have some form of court process whereas a liability order for Child maintenance doesn’t…£196 million pounds obtained through persistent procedural error by CMS own admission and over 1000 suicides of the paying parents puts a few imprisoned people into context.
It makes me so angry.My Council tax bill is close to £200 a month.Where does it go? I never see Police on the beat in my town, roads are in disrepair with potholes.I kid you not our council spent thousands removing chewing gum from pavements,then 2 months later tore all the pavements up.Im ready for the next hike next year, to fill up their coffers.On a positive note have a wonderful new year, your videos help a lot of people.
In several places around the world, it has been found that local councils attend VERY QUICKLY and repair pot-holes in roads or footpaths promptly, if someone earlier has used brightly coloured paint to form the shape of, to be polite, "male reproductive organs" around the pot-hole formation.
I'm not exactly sure what "Council Tax" is, but being from NZ & Aussie, our local city or rural district councils do charge "Property Rates". 200 UK pounds per month would be close to NZ $ 100 per week. That is probably at the higher end of mid-range for us. But certainly that charge is in the same ball-park.
Council Property Rates here pay for local council roads, (NOT Main Highways) footpaths, libraries, swimming pools and sports centres, plus subsidise certain social events, like Christmas lights, and a minimal amount of subsidised social and aged person housing.
Old age pensioners get charged just half the normal rate. (I help an old guy who had a stroke, and can barely sign his name with his left hand, fill out his annual entitlement renewal form). Sometimes they can further apply if they want, to pay nothing, and have the entire amount deducted from the sale of their house when they die and the place is sold.
Personally I'd rather that alternate arrangements be made to fund our local councils, and the essential services they provide.
To take a Christchurch City, New Zealand example, a cheapest house in the worst suburb (Aranui), bought 50 years ago for $15,000 would sell now for $515,000 . And yet upon sale, zero Capital Gains Tax would be payable here.
As all house and land sales go through Solicitors for Land Title Deed Conveyancing, then it would be easy to mandate that 50% of any gross profits be sent as part of the financial settlement process, through to local government coffers.
Councils could then use those funds for fixing pot-holes in roads and doing all the other good stuff, we want our local councils to do.
The children and grandchildren of the original house owner, wouldn't be able to buy quite as many jetboats or bigscreen TVs as the sale of the (originally $15,000 house) would "only" nett the estate $265,000 (assuming a 50% Capital Gains Tax on the gross profit over the house's original purchase price. $15,000 + $250,000). (No Death Duties are payable here).
With the "average" Kiwi home worth close to one million dollars nowadays, many folks are asset rich but cash poor, if only on Old Age Pension orother Welfare Benefits. If councils could take a portion of the windfall profits in house selling prices, they'd have plenty of money to fulfil their obligations, like fixing pot-holes in roads and footpaths etc.
I'd pay more council tax if we could see fewer police around? I'd like to feel safe around town.
@@KiwiCatherineJemma Swimming pools / sports centres are all run by private corporations where I live.
For years the public has said it wants more police on the beat.
The police want it too.
Politicians say they'll put more police on the beat, but never do.
My theory is that someone very high up doesn't want the police on the beat because they want to break the bond and trust between the police and the public and create a "them and us" situation.
If the police view the public as separate and hostile, then the banks, corporations and government can count on the police to enforce secondary taxation through fines, penalties and charges etc, rather than the police siding with the public.
@@simoncollins6529 when you say "they want to break the bond"... what bond is that? I wasn't aware of any bond? How does that work?
The council hire a room in the court room. You're never faced with a judge!
Yes and this goes against section 78(2) of the Local Government Act 1888.
Yes. Can anyone tell me when their council tax was reduced instead of increased?
Every year services are cut, every year the tax goes up.
I understand you don't go to prison for non payment of debt, you end up in prison for not complying with a Court order. The problem and corruption is how Court Orders are applied for and granted.
bit of a contradiction isn't there... if you can't pay a debt you don't go to jail but if a court orders you to pay it and you still can't you go to jail anyway lol
no because the court order should be an amount you can reasonably afford (providing you show up to court), so you would only be imprisoned (or gaoled) if you straight up refuse to pay the amount that the court has deemed affordable to you…
It would be nice if everything was free, but maybe time to grow up?
@@benhart777 what if you don't have any income what happens?
@@benhart777 I replied before I saw the last bit of your comment, nobody said anything about wanting anything free you fucking tool
@@KerbalSpacey Not even state benefits?
Councils have no choice but to operate the council tax - it's a system imposed by central government, and no council can fund all legally compulsory services without charging some council tax. It is a poorly designed system, and it's based on 33 year old property values, but what do you expect given it was a rush job to replace the Poll Tax?
So, why should local residents not pay for the council tax ?
Who do you think should pay ?
If it all comes through central taxation at the national level, why bother having local councils at all ?
@@timg1246 I'm not sure you read my comment. You certainly didn't understand it. I think there should be a form of local taxation which would allow local authorities genuine financial choice and be fairly distributed, but we don't have it at the moment; councils are forced to levy a tax and unable to remedy its defects.
@DBIVUK OK.
So you don't like the current system. So what would you replace it with ?
A poll tax is out. We rioted against that. So, any replacement has to be better than what we have, and not be a poll tax. So how would you replace it ?
It has to take into account the following complications ;
Some people live in very large households. Some people live alone.
Some people live in massive houses. Some in tiny flats.
It has to fairly interact with the business rates system.
What happens when councils over spend or face other budgetary problems ? Should central government bail them out or let them sink ?
Should central government set budgetary limits and borrowing criteria ?
Should councils have the authority to indulge in commercial projects ?
Should poorer areas get subsidies from central government taxation or from rich councils ?
Let me know your answer to those questions, as you have obviously spent time thinking about them.
@@timg1246 Personally I would return to domestic rates. Only make the change recommended by Layfield in the 1970s and base them on capital values not rental ones. Retain the single person discount from Council Tax. Then set up a proper system of rates rebates for people on low income.
@DBIVUK Given that the current council tax bands are based on the assessed relatice value of your property, It is doubtful that this would achieve very much. Also, there are already various discounts or exceptions based on likely ability to pay. The benefits system also takes into account the council tax system.
In other words, your suggestions are more or less already built into the system.
Council tax is massively unfair, I don’t mind chipping in to local services but the government takes it all and gives the local councils a bit back,
I pay the same amount with 2 people in the house as I did with 5 in it..
How’s that fair..
Also there’s a group of people in Hereford that are taking the council to court for basically racketeering.. obtaining money illegally..
Yes well the fair system was going to be introduced by Thatcher. Every one paid their way under that system. However stupid people made home owners tax collectors for the people who lived there. The problem was that to enforce it no one could be off grid and every one would have to state where they were every Night. Not having a place to stay would have been illegal as would not having money.
'The same amount of council tax regardless of 2 or 5 people in the house?'
That is why they tried to bring in 'Poll Tax'.
Two identical houses one with 5 adults uses more local services than a neighbouring house with 2 adults. Look how that turned out...
People are never happy when Tax is involved.
I paid my poll tax when I lived in London BUT objected to the extra levy of £39 (if I remember the amount right) for those who illegally arrived at Heathrow Airport and were provided with hospitality while being held by the Home Office. I didn't choose to live there my ex was posted to RAF Uxbridge.
Tax in this country is out of control. This is what money printing does. It causes everything to be more expensive.
@@madma11 yes it is.. I run a small business and with rates and insurance, Eletric gas and minimum wage going up I can say it’s not worth my while..
a lot of bigger companies are registering overseas to avoid the uk tax..
never voting conservative again..
Right. Good luck with that!
How many who were jailed appealed by Judicial Review? Most or all win their case that they were unlawfully imprisoned.
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Totally agree, I can’t shake the feeling he is there to ‘tell’ just do as you are ‘told’ I unfollowed him a long time ago but still he comes up in my suggested feed….
BBB = gatekeeper
It’s not fair in the sense that one house can accommodate 1 person or 20 they still pay the same. But they all access docs, education, social and other facilities funded by the tax. A much smaller contribution by those living in the house accommodating 20.
1 person will get a discount (20%) so it's not quite the same amount.
@gmo4250 Should be 50% in my opinion, as generally, there are two working adults living within a household.
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I think the original post raises a valid point and that's partly why they introduced the poll tax. What a fair discount is may be debatable.
The history of Poll taxes (introduced in the middle ages, and later by Mrs Thatcher) doesn't speak well of that idea, both cases led to civil unrest and rapid replacement with something else.
To be fair, one advantage of CT is that it is difficult to hide a property, shelter it in a tax haven and so on so a property based tax is "easy" to collect. A tax based on the number of residents simply invites people to 'forget' to declare some of them.
@@roberthuntley1090 for sure but don’t you think it is unfair on those with 2 people in the house and those with 10 ?
Surely a better way needs to be thought of to distribute this cost? For example there are many houses in London where the owner has people living in the sheds or converted garages council is unaware of this that house only contributes for one house and there are two or three separate families. 1 family would require less resources then 2/3.
My experiences with the courts is that even the judges are corrupt.
So,what we are really seeing here is even when the system is out of order it still isn't honest enough to admit it is wrong.....sounds about right to me.
yes! These 2 clowns are really struggling to defend it!
No form of taxation is fair and I thought Debtors prisons was a thing of the past 😳 obviously not🤨
'No form of taxation is fair ...' Insofar as the poor pay proportionately more, definitely.
some councils declared bankrupt. they charge every household 200quid+ a month. where did they waste that money?
My local council thought they were being clever when they borrowed millions to spend on speculative property deals - fine when the market's rising but a nightmare when it crashes.
Just because it’s too busy for regular quotes to manage with the number of people that are going to court over council tax does not give the court system, the right to skip over our justice. All kangaroo courts should be got rid of completely. The only types of courts should be jury courts of our peers, no more magistrates or district, judges, or whomever making judgement calls for themselves.
Joking? No one would ever be at work.
I'm worried with the amount of unrest in Britain these days, But If deemed unfair or unlawful by the subjects or people we have the rights to withhold payment. CT is unfair, close these tax loopholes for the corporations and we could all live a better life.
That's not the conservative way, if we wanted closed tax loopholes we would've voted labour
@@bobbyfred3761 Labour was in power for years, but the corporations like Amazon still don't pay their taxes. They had a chance to do something but clearly chose not to.
@worldofenigma1 I'm sorry out of the last 40 years labour was in power for 10. The conservatives have had 13 years to separate themselves from that method and have chosen not to. There's a new different labour out there now, but it's always the same conservatives
@@bobbyfred3761Labour have been in power twice in my voting life, and left the country in a right state both times, selling Gold at a super low price, taking us in to wars etc. Hate to think if they get in power and over spend like normal, what will happen. At least the Tories have Covid to blame.
Going to court for not paying CT. Insane
Hmmm. Or not. It is unlawfull. These twonks are legal eagles. One under the bar. Fact is if it was legal you'd get a bill. An invoice?
@@Frankie-c5x in UK we get a bill for the year outlining how much you have to pay monthly?
Well....refusing to pay , and he is a barrister unless you listen to other retards online .
@@Frankie-c5xyou do get an invoice from the Council. Every April.
@@Frankie-c5xmoronic nonsense.
Just tell them your muslim and use a room as a place of prayer and you wont have to pay full rate
They don’t have to pay stamp duty when they buy houses either!!!!!!!!🤬🤬🤬
Well that's not true but I guess you'd prefer to believe the racist narrative promulgated by people who don't like many brown people very much.
Does that work for other faiths too?
@@marydaniel3252 i thought we arent allowed to discriminate based on protected characteristics?
@@lisah9561Depends whether or not you're a straight white male, especially if you're a native to Britain.
The council don't use a lawyer for liability orders, the prosecutor for the council is a council employee.
Councils have a legal department and employ their own solicitors.
I have to pay council tax on my property that nobody lives in..Disgusting!
@HELVIS : A little information for your benefit.... you don't have to at all. Enquire about Declaration form for this issue - to say no one is living their so you don't pay. This has been out in the 'trade' for years. Do know councils will say this form doesn't exist but it legal required service has to be provided. Can you guess why arh helvis ???? To line their pocket more!
Take out the toilets and tell the council it’s being renovated..
Make sure you let them know when you’ve finished the renovation 😉
Sell it.
@@zippyoffrainbow8174that tactic can last for up to 2 years, then they can ask for up to 200% of the council tax.
If councils are acting unlawful then surely all after is null and void
Did you watch the video?
Yep
'If...'
@@trevoradams3350No, you didn't. The point you raised was discussed in the video and shown to be wrong. Still, you know better than every court in the land and every solicitor and barrister. Good for you.
So councils removing due process is legal is it
You watched it but didn’t listen
Until yo know people that have suffered and I mean suffered from this illegal and corrupt tax and councils, you won’t ever understand
Northern Ireland has maintained the "rate system" which is much fairer but I guess if someone knocked on the door demanding money in NI, they would probably get shot. However, the tax system is extremely unfair and disproportionate. Why do we pay taxes when nothing gets done, roads full of potholes, drains not cleaned, dirty streets, no dentists. I have complained to Angela Eagle but now she has blocked my email address, so much for democracy.
Maybe 'nothing gets done' because there are lots of people withholding their council tax payments, and so the council doesn't have enough income from residents to carry out the services that you want? You can't have stuff without paying for it. Novel idea, I know......
@@Janet62LG I would agree with you, however, the affluent area of the same council is beautiful and clean, they even clean on a Sunday, the poorest areas are dirty and left to rot. Also the average life expectancy is split, the average age of death in west Wirral is 81 years old, east Wirral is 76. My questions are ignored by the genocidal politicians.
@@Janet62LG People 'not paying' taxes are probably those who can't afford it as they need the money for basic living expenses, like having somewhere to live (shelter) and food to eat. So yes, to have these basic things you need to pay for those.
Unbelievable, in a supposed modern country where you could go to prison for not paying CT, it's horrifying and sick.how is it legal for a council which is a corporation , not release how they are spending all the money they collect and we cant take them to court but thet can force people to pay for services which are unknown.
The services are not "unknown". There is a leaflet that comes with every year's council tax demand that explain what services are provided. You might want to read the attachment to the 2024/2025 bill.
@@eattherich9215He prefers wilfully ignorance. It allows his supposedly righteous indignation to flourish.
The amount of un-supportable nonsense you will see in these comments is ridiculous.
@@eattherich9215 No, the information from the councils is VERY vague and there is no real way to tell what they are spending on.
What do you mean by corporation? Or maybe you don’t know.
Ok. So if council tax is all above board and legal and not corrupt in any way, why do they not use the proper legal system? Courts, judges etc. Why do they hire a courtroom and impersonate a judge( seen videos with my own eyes) where the so called magistrates were forced to leave the court( because they had swore no oath) and one where the magistrate was arrested for impersonating a judge? I have been sent documents with no name and no signature? Thats not a legal document its heresay? If it where a bill then there should be a bill or invoice? There isnt. If it was legal there would be no doubt. I am allowed to represent myself against any false claim or ficticious debt or lien? Which i believe it is. All i got from council was a DEMAND. In red letters? A. DEMAND. For payment? What the hell is that? I purchase no other service where the provider corresponds like this? Although. The TV licence is similar is it not? False claims and trickery? I have no contract and no service from the council? I am also taxed to the hilt on every other thing i buy. Fuel, food, energy, cigarettes, clothes, building materials, etc etc etc ! Had enough with tax. Been taxed into a criminal. A lot of folk are in survival mode. And as such have to prioritize in favour of food, heat, fuel. Paying the council to squander money like its going out of fashion, is not high on the list! Paying this corrupt and tresanous government is not high either! I think i speak for a good number of people. Not just here in uk. But all over rhe western world? Our governments and councils do not work for us anymore. They work for the UN EU. WEF. WHO. ? Thats not a question at the end. I mean the who. Not the band. The organisation! WHO. The fcuk are they? Unrelated meddlers. Shitenhousens!😮
Well said.
100% correct
Take your meds and have a sit down.
@@snowflakemelter1172 Wow you've been very busy posting snarky quips all over these comment sections haven't you
They don’t use the proper court system and processes because they can’t because it’s illegal what they’re doing. Who won these councils think they are hiring court rooms. Pretending to be judges.
Hang on when I was poor single mother of three children in the 1990's I was taken into a "room" and was misled/lied to by the council put before a layman magistrate. They then went to shaft my earnings 3 times over. I was on the minimum wage then.
Don't you just love to be patronised 😕
We pay more and more every year and the services have more than halved
Council tax is a rip off. It's unlawful. If it is lawful, why can't our local council offices show me the law that says we are obliged to and must pay it?
I'll bet you they can!
If they can't, they'll write the law and then show it to you.
Why is it a rip off ?
State your facts, I'm sure you are not that selfish !
@@motiveintentionsincerity yep, you are right, I'm not selfish.
Tell me,, what happened to all the tax I already pay off my hard earned wages. 45 years worth so far and why should I have to pay a second tax under threat of prison?
We ain't even getting value for money. Taxes were introduced years ago, to pay for wars and for the armies to fight wars.
You speak like a typical free loading tory minister, any minister for that matter. All benifit scroungers in high offices.
@@fredmercury1314 No they won't, all they come back with is,, "Well, we all have to pay, it's the law". But they never state the law.
They just waffle on about how everyone pays, has to pay.
It is debatable whether council tax is fair, what is definitely unacceptable is the LEVEL of council tax. For those on average wage, it is often around 10% of their gross income, even more afer income tax. So combined with 20% income tax, these two taxes alone take 30% of many peoples income! Also consider 20% vat, fuel tax which actually two taxes, vat and fuel duty, which are exorbitanty high, high housig costs, high transport costs, car or public, etc, etc, it's little wonder that people have virtually no disposable income and cannot afford to buy a house. The reason we are taxed so highly is due to incompetant, inefficient, wasteful and excessive government. If government was a company selling goods we would be fully justified in demanding a refund for it not being fit for purpose. £2500 and more per annum for council tax is outrageous and cannot be justified, especially when you here the stories I've been told by council workers about the criminal inefficiency and waste that afflicts everything they do. In 1990, when local tax was called rates, I was paying £280 per year, which would be about £780 today, the full council tax for the same property today is £2750! Something is very wrong with that!
The whole tax system is not fit for purpose, I pay council tax road tax and income tax plus national insurance, I then pay for private heath cover because the nhs is useless I pay private pension because the state pension is useless I pay private dental because the nhs is useless I pay repair costs on the car because the roads are shite , you never see the police and they don’t turn up if you phone them , I don’t have children so don’t use the schools , I even cut the grass on our street because the council won’t do it ,this country is a failed state and I am sick of it
The nonsense that supposedly holds truths are getting tiring... moreso than ever
Tax is not about you personally getting any of those things (which as opposed to your claims are not useless as I can attest I have had use of most all of those many times). Tax is about us all having the safety of those being cared for.
What you should be outraged about is government and central bank colluding to steal your money by devaluing the pound. This is the root of most of society’s pain since 1913 and increasingly since 1971
@@geffhome "Tax is about us all having the safety of those being cared for." Not all tax is used for that. The government spends massive amounts on weapons for war. It is war that has cost the country a lot over many years. Problems in the economy came after the Iraq war. The US government told their people to spend more to pay for that war, and that is what led to the 'sub-prime' mortgage crisis and subsequent crash in the economy that also affected Britain. The government stupidly bailed out the banks, costing us more. Then more recently they started war in Ukraine and were funding that. That war led to a gas pipeline being bombed (by whoever - UK government/US government, or Ukraine/Russia). That has led to massively increased energy costs due to the government having failed over many years to have secure energy sources, having closed down the coal power stations and failing to invest in alternative sources as well. That has led to massive problems with the economy - all of this being due to WAR. Apart from that, they were printing money during COVID-19 and lockdowns - after having failed to close the borders to stop the virus entering the country, with no investigation into the labs in China (and elsewhere). I think very likely it was a manufactured virus.
Black belt barrister is on the payroll for = defending the compulsory council tax
@John-sv4jb Well we all know the blackbelt ...... misguided perp is defending the system why? It enriches his life so why would he bite the hand that feeds his life style.
Well , he realises that Acts must be obeyed, and you don't have to be legally trained to get that .
@@normanpearson8753 but more and morr disobey the tv licence with absolutely nothing to worry about
He doesn't defend it, he just states the law.
@@vatsmith8759 if some don't pay and get away with it because of the law they know in the first place to not pay it.. then the law he states as you say isn't a given.. there is legal disputes all the time which is why there is lawyers to begin with.. the black book of law is often ambiguous so you can interpret and get off with things if you're powerful and get the book thrown at you if you're piss poor and/or don't have a good lawyer
The most important point that Daniel misses is that because there is no longer any written Liability Order that the Bailiff’s can actual use to comply with The Tribunals Courts and Enforcement Act 2007 Schedule 12 sec 26 therefore the Leighton ruling effectively removes the ability of the council to use their first line of attack. The custodial sentence for council tax will be repealed this year as the government has already discussed this so this is on the way out. Al wrongly mentions that a council can issue a liability order as well. He is also wrong that a lawyer represents the council as well as this is not then norm as the council mostly do it themselves. Out of 1500 cases only a dozen ever turn up and they are normally dealt with in the foyer by the council unless the defendant elects to argue their case.
well written! bbb is digging himself a grave by trying to defend council tax scam
Yeah he is already p*ss*ng me off!@@andriybush3347
Jail should NEVER happen when they literally have no way to pay it going to jail for being broke is absurd.
Council Tax itself is criminal. If there were a fairer tax system where the wealthy millionaires and billionaires and certain corporations actually payed 'any tax' and preferably an equal percentage of tax, then there'd be no need for council tax.
I've had adjournments in court because I asked for the judges oath, stopped for asking for proof of debt, and when the court bailiffs turned up, they left when I refused to accept a warrant on a tablet with no name of any kind, went back to court and they wrote of the costs, when I did a company house check every council was self declared insolvent way back in the late 90s and most of the mid 2000, in affect trading unlawfully, yet got round it by confusing people with borough Council and local council, yet useing the headed paper with the logo, this was classified as paper fraud because what was supposed to be the official watermarked summons, was infact on paper you could buy from most stationers and not official The criminals are the councilors, screwing people who are paying for things that they never use want or asked for.
After all that , you had to pay for the services you use .
@@normanpearson8753 testing the water with the council.
None of this ever happened though.
What are your legal qualifications, please?
@@S.Trades stayed up late one night on Google reading wacky websites.
it is ilegal to send someone to jail or prison for being poor
not for being poor, just for being selfishly irresponsible.
@@motiveintentionsincerityplease define what you mean when you say "selfish and irresponsible"
@@danharte6645 Some people just repeat political propaganda against and blaming the poor for the ills in society. It is of course a form of discrimination.
Poll Tax/Council Tax discussions really interest me, the population was encouraged to buy their council homes at a discount price releasing the responsibility of maintenance for those properties for councils…then a year or two later the Poll Tax was ‘created’ generating similar funds to the councils that they previously enjoyed as rent but without the financial impact of having to maintain those properties…it’s a brilliant piece of legislation - I struggle to understand how someone like myself with a limited educational background can identify a manipulation in this ‘right to buy’ strategy and highly educated university types seem to be blind to it…not just politicians but journalists too. and just to finish things off, the council funds were maintained to a similar level before the sell off, they had/have less responsibility but we get loads more excuses for the poor standard of service that is delivered or silly explanations for higher taxes that we are expected to tolerate…I enjoy a decent level of comfort and reckon I’m in a better position than my parents were…there might be a reasonable explanation for treating the population like cattle and maybe it’s me that is missing the point…but the truth is out there…and no person, authority or organisation can hide from the true facts. 😇
I had a court hearing on the phone and I won my case against the council.
I don't have to pay council tax, we pay a boat licence fee to live on the canal network and 'poll tax' is part of it, my licence is about a third of what my son is paying for CT for a one room crappy flat in London.
It also covers water supply / sewerage areas / rubbish collection and loads of other stuff like hot showers (all included) that the council tax and other bills are 'used' for when living on the land (so to speak).
Off topic somewhat but hoping the government will provide such provisions for "vanlifers" - if they're not building affordable housing then alternative living will be sought. Unfortunately many people call van dwellers free loaders and such. There is no 'roaming tax' payable, but many would love water, toilets, parkups and waste even if that comes at a cost.
Which appreciates in value faster? Your boat, or his "crappy" flat?
@@S.Trades@S.Trades well he doesn't own the flat and I do own my boat and it's value has gone up near 10k in the last 2 years and I only paid 9.5k for it back in 2018 and his rent has gone up 200 a month in the last couple of weeks too.
So I reckon I am winning on this one, my mooring fee if I take one for a year is only 300 quid more than he pays for one month's flat rent before all bills.
@@TheVanderfulLifetotally agree, I lived on the road for Iiver 30 years, medical crap has stopped me driving but am still allowed to do 4mph on my boat 😅
This is a bit silly how fast they get on people for missed payment. I remember when i first started working and counsil tax came knocking fair enough.
Chistmas time i was working longer than the offices were open and after a monthe the fucking rats summoned me to court. Makeing criminals out of working people typical britan.
Could have paied by phone but as a teenager i didnt know the outcome of a late payment would be call me a criminal, and suffered with anxiety on the phone so i prefered at the office.
If you couldnt tell still havemt quite got over that
Why don’t we have a system where we only pay one amount of tax out of our wages or salary to cover all of the things that we’re supposed to be paying for to run the country?
Nope because you're paying with debt has no monetary value it's a i.o.u when you pay for something it isn't paid for lol
My wife and I pay the same council tax as my neighbours who have 4 living there yet we were given a smaller wheelie bin due to only being 2 of us. When called I was told that is my entitlement. Bins are collected every 3 weeks,, surely if that is the case I should pay less!
@BlackBeltBarrister The section starting on 22 mins is incorrect. There can not be two forms of action in endorcing a Liability Order for Council Tax, furthermore, enforcement is not carried out through the County Court, Civil Enforcement Agents (Bailiffs) can be instructed by the Local Authority on the granting of a Liability Order, this is also true for Attachment of Earnings and Attachment of Benefits. Only a Charging Order on property would go through the County Court. Committal to Prison would of course be through the Magistrates Court. Civil Enforcement Agents are certificated through the County Court before a Judge for a 2 year period and work under the Taking Control of Goods Regulations 2013.
Thought this was going to be a good video but you missed so much out. Magistrates have to have conducted a financial means test 'at the time' the liability was due, otherwise imprisonment is unlawful, Magistrates never conduct financial means test at time liability is due. Imprisonment can not be used as punishment, only to coerce debtor to pay. If a relative or friend pays off debt this proves debtor could not pay and was not wilful refusal or neglect. A suspended prison sentence can not be longer than two years. So magistrates can not make order of instalments to go on longer than two years, if reasonable instalments would pass two years magistrates can zero debt. Anyone imprisoned once out their debt is uncollectable using the courts, the debt is zeroed. So council gain nothing imprisoning people. There is so much more.
anything I have ever seen from my council says you have no need to attend ! that's wrong negating your right to defend yourself,
Prompting your ignorant side could result in an easy win.
Council tax is a minuscule part of taxable revenue collected by the state. Total tax revenues are 1,027 billion. Council tax is 42billion…just 4% of the total. Income tax/NIC totals 430 billion (ten times what we pay in CT) and VAT/duty is over 200 billion (five times higher.)
The reason most people whine incessantly about council tax is in most cases it’s the only tax they have to actually pay directly rather than it being taken either as PAYE or at a point of sale. Unfortunately a lot of people are either incapable of or unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives.
Council tax is certainly unfair. Why should a single person pay only 25% less than a family who probably have two and sometimes more adults living in a property and why should someone living in a bigger/ expensive house pay more for council services than someone in a small/cheaper property?
I agree. Single people pay the most at 75%. Two adults in a house are effectively only paying 50% each, if there are three then it will be 33% each, and so on. Living in a bigger house doesn't necessarily mean more ability to pay more tax, as most people don't get any income from their homes, but we all need somewhere to live. Selling my house would not help, as I am only in a band B property, and there are not many lower cost houses, and there would be the cost of selling the house and then buying the new smaller one. The difference would be so small that it would be swallowed up by the costs, and would take up a lot of time and the stress of moving. In my own case, when I bought, the only smaller place was a 1 bed flat that was a similar price, and the house I am in was actually reduced in price due to various faults in it, so actually cost less, and there is a garden that the flat would not have had. Renting privately now would cost me probably more than three times as much in monthly payments.
Yes it seems unfair. My daughter is a newly qualified teacher and as the only earner in a house share with other occupants who are students has to pay the whole lot on her own. Feel sorry for her really.
Would you prefer it if full time students with no income were required to pay as well?
@@Janet62LG I was expected to pay (poll tax) as a student.
What I’d do is move.
The council will have a threshold of which they can increase it by each year, however they can sidestep it by removing a service and then offer it back at a subscription. We used to get garden waste removed however they removed it and offered it back at £37 a year, but your initial bill didn't decrease at all. so in effect you get an increase then another one if you require the removed service
I live in Birmingham and we all know the council is bankruot due to gross incompetence.
When they raise council tax in Birmingham, will they be legal as none of this is the fault of the Birmingham population.
And yet we're expected to remedy their mistakes with our hard earned money.
Is this lawful?
Thankyou.
You are right - the people should not be punished just because the local authority failed to control their own spending. Or if the issue is partly down to not getting enough financial help from the central government for things they might be legally required to do, like helping old/vulnerable people, then that is also not the fault of the people.
Councils should not be spending money they do not have.
Birmingham is a s it hole 3rd world that's why.
Better question ....... Are Lawyers fees legitimate and MORAL ???? 😠🏴
oh dear another one who begrudges
Yes, service of a proffessional shouldnt be free.
@@motiveintentionsincerity Yes ..... I begrudge any person who profits from peoples misery ....... You obviously do not . Shame on YOU !! 🏴
@@kacperchrusciel890 Ever heard of MORALS ???? 😠🏴
Seems like I've entered a Lawyer Groupie chat room ...... A room of Sychophants . 😠🏴
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It's their law and we are subjected to it. Certainly doesn't make it right or just.
Why should we follow these laws when our elected officials don't bother? Serious question... at what point do we stop putting into a corrupt system?
Us yes you lot no. The right to hypocrisy
I suspect the ratio of corrupt officials is much the same as that of corrupt TH-cam commenters.
@@vatsmith8759 those we all have to rely on are different from the ones we don't
Council tax is a rip off ..I’m in Jaywick they at times don’t pick up bins fly tipping and the council leave it and some houses have rubbish ,dead cars hanging around for years and the bent council does nothing about it , some police are bent here also ..The council don’t help homeless ..now councils are going bust and there be more I’m very sure of that ….with thousands of pounds gone where …they have ground to a holt but build something that few people interested ..
Do all the boat people coming across the Channel pay their council tax?
surely, the official that provided false information misrepresented facts to the court and should be held in contempt of court - or - guilty of perjury, and given a custodial sentence.
I am certain that the career beauracrat might take their work more seriously if there were consequences to misrepresenting the facts.
Post Office Subpostmasters, TV Licensing and now Council Taxes ... we have a MAJOR justice problem in this country.
The unfortunate fact is that local authorities abuse the Council Tax Regulations, which are supposed to be used to deal with Won't Pays, rather than Can't Pays. This abuse has been going on for a number of years and is now reaching the point where the malfeasance of local authorities and the courts is rapidly progressing towards the point where it will become a scandal. Should local authorities be allowed to seek Liability Orders or Commital to Prison Orders against those who are struggling to pay? In my view, ALL those summonsed to court should appear in front of the Bench and those who are clearly Can't Pays should have their names struck from the Cause List and the local authorities' claim for costs refused.
Public services the only service we can't withhold payment for unsatisfactory services
You’re open to civil action if you withhold payment for any service.
@annoyingbstard9407 civil...not criminal and here we are allowed to withhold any payments other than taxes
@@scrubsrc4084 I don’t know where “here” is but in most countries if you withhold payment you’re in breach of contract and can be sued.
Somerset county council told me that my unaffordable CT payments were more important than my mortgage payments so I ended up getting into £5000 of arrears on my mortgage to try and pay CT until KMC advised me there going for repo on our home so I stopped CT and paid the mortgage and then ended up with 5 CT liability orders all at different courts and all advised I was not allowed to attend the hearing.
I contacted the magistrates court by phone and asked them if there were any liability ordered against my name and home and they confirmed there was nothing outstanding.
Thats when Bristow and Sutor visits started and advised on every visit there were acting under a magistrates court order when I said no you are not I have checked they advised the council had authorised the claim and instructed Bristow and Sutor to there harassment
Nobody want to talk about the Marc Horn v Liverpool Council case, where he insisted on the case being heard before a real Magistrate, and not a private room hired for the day, and the real Magistrate ordering the Council to prove any debt existed, and that the Local Government Finance Act 1992 is NOT proof of a debt? Just asking ;-)
Because its complete BS.
@@snowflakemelter1172it ain't
If you accept your name in all caps you're the debtor and have to pay.
I'm the creditor 👍
@@anti-stupid-not--vax9629 more BS you made up.
@@D-Bunker-zv1bj that's absolute rubbish ALL CAPS IS DEBASED DOG LATIN FRAUD it ain't English
Can you prove it's rubbish because I can prove it means a lot 👍🤣🤣
All taxes need a lot more scrutiny . I believe much of the revenue ends up lodged in the bank accounts of already very wealthy corporations and politicians .
It has been made aware to all legal advisors working for Councils since 2003 and they were reminded again in March 2023 that the Liability Orders they send out are in fact NOTIFICATIONS not recognised by the Court. Is it not a crime to forge Court documents? Is this not fraudulent? What about Councils printing out their owns SUMMONS and adding the Courts logo to make it look as if it was issued by the Court? How can a Council be both running a Court and the Claimant at the same time? Is this not a serious clash of interests?
CT same as window tax and bedroom tax poll tax we all control by conman in suits.window tax abolished due to lack of light council tax should be abolish for mental health
Happy new year Daniel. Can you maybe do a video on Farbgel Criminal Identifier as many ppl are confused on the UK law regarding its use.
I have simple question - if the Swansea high court case was not relevant why did the judge award £4000 in damages? it would been better to concentrate on this rather than move off to the judicial review....
2nd Question - why is the council issued documents legally acceptable when this clearly breaks 1888 local government Act section 78(2)
Andrew thankyou, good clear answer, now I have another question, I asked my council under a FOI request who gave them permission to act as a court. They answered that they do not have that power and do not act as a court/magistrate....I asked the magistrate for records regarding my liability order, they have no records....so who is the legal arbiter of this case?? Nobody is taking responsibility for that role...
@@mikkyfinn1111 Excellent I shall look that up....
@@mikkyfinn1111 Just read it and it doesn't repeal section 78 unless I missed something....However, it appears context of section 78 might not apply to every situation....I'm looking deeper in to it....thanks for you input though....
That is all this country is about TAX and more TAX
Draconian copyrighted patented legislation passed by your over lords and enforced by ignorant knuckle dragging meat heads is how they keep the mud hut plebs in order.
Most countries in fact.
The gatekeepers want you pay for everything 😂 . Black belt is a gatekeeper
Agree. Snakes.
If it wasn’t for council tax in Scotland, I would have to pay for water rates, as it’s all encompassed with water supply and treatment. So I don’t mind paying council tax.
9.25 is totally incorrect.My recent appearance involved no council lawyer only an employee of Birmingham city council that ''has'' no legal training.Let's get the facts correct.
Not sure that the judge has dismissed the issue of lawfulness of using a council notice to enforce a verbal court order....
Received a letter of summons over failure to pay clownsil tax. We all know where our money's really going.
Lots of taxes are unfair.
Council tax because you and your neighbour live in the same type of house. 2 people live in your house and 8 people live in your neighbours house but your council tax is the same rate. Even though they use x4 the facilities.
Road tax because you and your neighbour own exactly the same make and model of car. You drive 1,000 miles per year and your neighbour drives 10,000 miles per year but your road tax is the same. Even though they make x10 emissions.
Gentlemen. Happy New Year. I enjoy both channels very much and your joint videos are excellent.
Welcome to the return of *Debtors Prisons.* Not!!! 🤯
Would you consider discussing the difference between police detaining you and arresting you. I refer to the TH-cam video by Audit Oblivion, entitled: ‘Educated American thinks he can school police in London’. Three men are stopped walking along the pavement and ‘detained’ due to an assault that took place nearby. Is this False Imprisonment as in Walker Vs Commissioner of the Metropolis (2014). What would have happened if the detainees had simply walked on regardless?
A friend of mine has to pay council tax for nothing. She lives in a private area. A privately owned caravan park where she can live all year round. A privately paid company empties the bins deals with street lighting basically anything and everything the council claims your council taxpays for they do not do as they are paid for to a private company. Yet they still have to pay council tax they have all been taken to court and the judge has said while the council does nothing for the money and its free money to the council gets they are still liable. How is that fair.
It is not case of whether council tax is legal, it is how its use is perceived. In that perception there are questions of the amount and upon what it is spent! The problem is there is no mechanism for putting councils and worse still HMG, for a legally binding public initiated inquiry where they can call KCs of their choice, even retired ons. That genuinely holds politicians to account.
People don’t have a problem with paying taxes. What people have a problem with is the mismanagement of these taxes. Highly paid underperforming politicians who are there to serve their interest than that of the majority of the people paying those taxes!
Council Tax and other taxes is demanding money with menaces
I recently saw a video of a council meeting in I think Ukraine in which an individual scattered several grenades among those present. Having attended some parish, town and county council meetings I'm beginning to understand his viewpoint.
When the executive team are on wages of nearly 200k and we're all struggling, its ridiculous
Come to the point please and fully DEFINE "unlawful".
Illegal
@@normanpearson8753 Could well be that NP but I was asking our friend OXO to answer it.
@@normanpearson8753wrong.
can we be forced to pay tax to those committing or funding genocide/terrorist organisations?
It’s unfair at the price that it is at.
Couldn't you say that about ALL household utility bills?
@@robjames1963 you could but we’re talking about council tax.
When you consider that MP's can claim it back as expenses and therefore effectively dont pay council tax....yes its immoral and corrupt.
No it's because you don't understand the system.
They live as MAN not a person so not a debtor