I think Marika shattered the ring for one, very broad, yet very good reason. She wanted change. She saw what the Erdtree really was and how the Golden Order was just lies built on lies. So she devised a plan. Shatter the ring, have the demi gods fight, then the strongest will collect the shards, then the Tarnished would come and kill the demigods and get their shards, and when they finally got to the Erdtree, they might also see what she saw, and the Tarnished would enact change. Every ending for the game is in a way, what Marika would have wanted, as it is a change from what it was. Also that’s why I think Ranni has the best overall ending, seeing as it ends the Golden Order completely and is a beginning of a whole new age, kinda like ending the Age of Fire in Dark Souls 3.
@@Krakain yeah that’s valid. I just kinda don’t like that ending as much cuz it feels a little it pushes the world back into how it was before the Erdtree. When we see the Erdtree destroyed in that ending it kinda looks like the tree that came before it, I think it was called the Great Tree? Anyways. That’s where the Omens and the Misbegotten and the Crucible Knights are from. And I kinda find the moral of the souls games and Elden Ring to be look forward into the future rather than regress into the past
@Krakain yeah but the only one that is truly a bad is the dung eater one. Its also the only ending you dont get a trophy for. Its truly the worst possible outcome of all the endings
Morgott doesn’t just fade to gold, he turns into grace that points directly at the player. In this moment, Godfrey finally finds Grace again and understands what must be done
Yes, both the Tarnished and Godfrey are there in order to meet Marika and they are each other's opponent/last obstacle before achieving their dream/purpose
@@andrewsprokkreeffjr7667The best part tho, is that godfrey 100% knows who we are. Our tarnished is too powerful to have been unknown to him, during his endless wars outside the lands between, as Hoarah Loux. Plus, The chapel we spawn in, on a isle seperated far from the closest mainland, housed one body. Ours. We might have even been a direct subordinate. It truly is tragic.
Morgott: Born with an affliction, which shuns him from the very things he loves, but despite this, he fights for the honour of his parents and the golden order truly a hero. Mohg: kidnaps child, blood everywhere, big fork, and doesn't give a single fuck about the golden order or any of tht shit above ground he chilling 💀
Both are Sigmas, except that now Mogh was the kidnapped, but, giving a shit to the Golden Order and, also, making a badass and cool blood cult to the No-form Mother, it's kinda chad. Also, he embrace the omen
Kinda ironic that the erdtree finally "accepts" morgott when all the misbegottens and omens did was just being born w aspects of the crucible (ie horns,tails or wings) and was discriminated upon for it
@@rylievalentine7109 You don't have to look good while doing it, Morgott got accepted, the ones who were discriminating the Omen were the people, not the Gods or the Erdtree.
@@WeebSlayer71 what? He was discriminated. He reside in the basement of the castle untill war break throught. The erdtree. Reject everyone who from the elder tree
marika sent the tarnished away and had them treated like dirt so they would resent the golden order and the tree knowing their adaptability and that they will return and finish what she knew she couldnt
@@furanduron4926 everywhere except the lands between and normal humans who refused the parasite and gold order leaving them unchanged and unaffected to its corruption
That's why I liked the Ranni ending. According to the correct translations, she assumes the power of Marika and godhood, takes the Elden Ring, and fucks off with both it and you in order to keep the influence of the Greater Will out of the Lands Between. Essentially, your deeds brought about the age of man, free from parasitic outer gods. Of all the endings, this is the best one you can get.
After realizing the corruption of the golden order, seeing what happened to the great caravan.. the frenzied flame ending is the only ending I can do. MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
Frenzied flame ending fans trying to justify killing everybody and enslaving the lands between under yet another malevolent outer god (it will ultimately be the same as the greater will)
Seeing the Elden Ring shatter is like seeing the Gildergleam in whiterun. It is has faded to nothing. A hollow carcass of its former glory. Margot and Godfrey both are like the priestess of Kynareth who sends to collect a weapon to harm the mother tree. In turn you incure nature's ire and get innocent killed. But the tree is renewed. While if you allow the pilgrim to pray then a sapling is gifted. Instead of using force to revive a dying tree. Simply plant the sapling of renewal. Life, Death, Rebirth. A dying age, a new future. For better or worse
Marika planted the Erdtree. Marika was the one who set the Golden Order. Marika was the one who removed death from the equation naively. If she did shatter the elden ring to set in motion the demise of the erdtree, it was to atone for her sins, not heroism.
Fun fact: there is no Great tree, the only item description which mentions THE great tree was a mistranslation, in japanese it just mentioned A great tree Edit: i was mistaken, its not a great tree, its the Great roots
@@daddyvegan9325 okay, after watching the tarnished archeology i believe there is a very good point in that theory, with all the banners and the statues, however to my knowledge the original japanese item description doesnt mention the great tree but rather the great roots
@@Shadow_Cat00 There’s a reason Radahn was holding back the stars. There’s also a reason there are two Astels. Ranni just let down the firewall for some horrific shit.
Theres a theory i heard like that the frenzied flame ending is the beginning of dark souls and that rannis ending is the beginning of bloodborne. I know the games aren't linked but it would be cool
My working theory is that Marika doesn't see the Tarnished, Morgott, or really anyone as unworthy to recieve the title of Elden Lord, but she wishes to change the flawed and sickened state of the world, so she desperately tries to prevent the perpetuation of the parasite within the tree, locking everyone out of the tree to protect them, shattering the ring in an attempt to sever its power over her and her family, and readying herself to fight to the death to keep people from mending the ring and reverting everything she has done to try and end the cycle. Despite her best efforts though, the Tarnished of no renown and no maiden is destined to foil her efforts and mend the ring. Only, there is one ending that actually breaks away from this, without costing the lives of everyone and everything. Radagon's daughter, Ranni the Witch, was determined to break fate and write a new destiny for the world. To do this, she had to plan out many very difficult and complicated steps to her plan, and hope that she will by chance meet the Tarnished who is destined to become a Lord, and employ their assistance in a nearly impossible task of defying the Greater Will and destroying the Elden Ring permanently. Though it would cost Ranni much to achieve this mission, she would find success eventually, fulfilling the wishes of Queen Rennala, and Radagon, who is also Marika. This theory is why I believe the eternal night ending is the true ending. The ring is destroyed, a new Lord is crowned, and the Greater Will's hold on Marika's kingdom is finally severed.
the part where you said it was sent by the Outer Gods, the Elden Remembrance (might be a different item) literally calls out the Elden Beast as being a vassal beast, which is essentially something that serves to hold land, for the Greater Will
Looking at these comments seeing people say they went for Ranni’s ending for this and that. Me over here loving her quest line because it was beautiful. The areas you go through to do her quest line were simply stunning, graphics and color, etc. That’s just me though. To each their own
I've always imagined that Marika shattered the Elden Ring because she was sick of being controlled by the Greater Will. We know that Empyreans like she used to be are chosen, and have no say themselves regarding whether or not the Greater Will has chosen them. I imagine she was chosen by the Greater Will to become the god she was, whether she liked it or not, and basically her entire existence and that of the Lands Between were dictated for them. So shattering the Ring was the only way she could think to free both herself and the Lands Between from the control of parasitic godly forces, even if the end result was her eternal imprisonment.
I'm gonna die on the hill that Ranni's ending is the supposed main/canon ending You experience the most out of the game, out of the different quests for the other endings, other than the chaos ending
That's why he chaos ending is the Canon ending imo Plus it kinda leads into Dark souls And you purge the land of all evil in that ending making it the most practical ending
He doesn't fade to gold, he turns into grace. We know this because when he fades into the grace it points to us, Godfrey is also a tarnished and we're Godfrey's next objective
This is also why Gold Mask's ending isn't actually good because you're essentially helping him solidify the Greater Will's influence on the Lands Between by perfecting the great rune of the Golden Order, ensuring its continued reign for all eternity.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but when Morgott turns to gold he goes towards you like a site of grace. Godfrey’s site of grace pointed toward his goal and his goal is to fight you
There is so great tree. The crucible is just the primordial energy form of the erd tree. Skewed up translations made vaati and others think there was another tree.
This is why Ranni's ending is the true ending/best ending. It makes the most sense since you're doing multiple things in her quest and she talks about her order the most. Her ending cutscene and some of her dialogue aren't well translated but her order cuts ties from the great ones and greater will giving free will and freedom to the people of the lands between without worrying about the golden order or Elden ring.
The frenzied flame is actually the best ending imo the ability to not have to be an errand boy if a blue doll nor have the responsibility to a greater power but instead purge the evil from the lands yourself and provide a better and more beautiful world without the gods is the best ending imo
So what is Godfrey's motivation? Is he there for the golden order or for Marika, and is he there for good intentions or revenge? Like what would have happened if he had entered the erdtree instead of the player?
He was just like us, another tarnished that Grace called to come home and take the mantle of Lord. The difference is that he was our leader, as all tarnished were his followers. However it is unclear why Marika stripped him of his lordship and sent him away along with all of his followers. Was it for them to grow stronger? Or was it to spare them from the war of the shattering? Or was it because she had no further use for Godfrey? Whichever the case, the tarnished are the only viable candidates to become Lord after the war
Alot of the comments are wrong. The erdtree isn't an evil parasite and the golden order wasn't bad in ideal. The people where the problem and the ones who discriminated against omens for being born without grace. Plus the tree didn't "refuse" margott because he was an omen. The impenetrable thorns refuse ALL. If it was as simple as don't be an omen then any random non omen person could walk up and open the door
You're right on most parts, the reason omens were detested however wasn't because of being graceless (especially seeing how Morgott was literally not graceless) The reason is literally the aspects of the crucible. Crucible nights weren't hated because their use of the aspects were advanced and controlled. The omens' curse was uncontrollable, and there's an item description that tells us the curse was detested because it was viewed as devolution. Because theirs was devolution, and the Crucible Knight's power was viewed as not; this explains why one was detested while the other was praised.
There are several descriptions talking about the crucible.. literally explaining this to be the erdtree in its infant form.. The erdtree is the physical embodiment of the greater will, the greater will seems to me to be solely interested only in maintaining order - it believes that order will bring unification, thus leading to a true utopia where everything works in synchrony. That doesn’t sound like the bad guy to me.The greater will is limited in what it can do within the physical realm. That’s why it needs Marika and the rest of the consorts and empyreans, they are meant to bridge the gap between the realm of the greater will and the realm of the lands between. It’s pretty clear to me that the real bad guy here is Marika/Radagon. The game even states that the greater will no longer communes with Marika and has imprisoned her as punishment for shattering the Elden ring, which I believe she did in direct response to Godwyns murder - destroying everything in a fit of rage and desperation sounds exactly like something a totally grief stricken parent would do. She probably did this because the greater will also failed in protecting Godwyn, she shattered the ring as a final fuck you to the greater will for allowing such a tragedy to occur. Essentially, the greater will doesn’t control its consorts. Marika and Ranni both acted of their own volition outside of the greater will, even though they are meant to be the bridge between this outer god and the rest of humanity. The meddling of empyreans is what ruined the lands between, this is why the greater will locks away Marika/Radagon and calls out to the tarnished so that someone else may take her place. Keep in mind, Marika fooled all of humanity with the deception that is Radagon. Why would she do this if she weren’t trying to hide something.. The mending rune of perfect order to me is the best ending. It removes the need for the greater will to require consorts and empyreans to interact with the physical world. Thus, allowing perfect order to take place - no wars, no disagreements, no politics, no bloodshed - a place where every living thing is balanced in perfect harmony. Sorry for that. I’m high as fuck. 🪴
Hey, a couple of corrections, it is actually implied that Marika helped the Black Knife Assassins, also the way you word it makes it seem like Marika pretended to be Radagon all along, when that is explicitly not the case, they were two separate people that merged, Marika's hammer even states that after Marika shattered the Elden Ring, Radagon attempted to repair it. Also, it is explicitly stated in Placidusax's remembrance that it was the Elden Lord before the age of the Erdtree, and from the wall markings in Farum Azula, the Elden Ring also existed before the age of the Erdtree
The Erdtree isn’t a parasite, it’s a crown sprout scion from the Greattree and Outer Gods aren’t Cthulhu, they’re manifestations of natural concepts like Kami
Well uuhhhh the frenzied flame ending isn't as good as it sounds considering that the world isn't burned away and instead it's just filled with screams and even more suffering
@@aurorathomson2051 yes, but at least you don't A. Allow people to continue to suffer under the golden order. B. Leave the entire world in a massive amount of disarray. C. Curse everyone forever. D. Cause the biggest civil war by splitting those who follow the golden order
I really like the age of the Duskborn, and the theory that all the fog/mist you see are the souls being released from the Erdtree. Second to Ranni's quest in terms of what was best for all the inhabitants
Well technically the tree wouldn't be a parasite, as a parasite only takes and never gives, while the Erdtree gives life and nourishment to those around it
It was Marikas Golden Order that failed. It was all her own fault. Removing the rune of death, persecuting the merchants and the omen, all the hatred. The fault was Marikas, she wanted someone else to do it better. You cannot know that the golden order would have failed with a different "God
The Greater Will most likely sent the elden beast and made the erdtree to enforce its order as the dragons had an elden Lord and god. The outer gods can only corrupt what the Greater Will makes because the Greater Will created all life.
The Erdtree is to where souls can return after death thanks to Marika removing the Death Rune from the Elden Ring. If the body of the deceased is burried under the tree, in its roots. That's why Godwyn was burried there. But Queen Marika forbids this ritual when it comes to Omens.
It gets worse. If you look at the massive stone slab at the base of the Erdtree, you'll notice that the hole in it isn't a door. There are no hinges, someone smashed through the stone to make a door. And who did that? My guess: Morgott himself, only to discover he couldn't breach the thorns. I suspect that it was at that moment when he gained his signature hatred for the very concept of ambition.
It is fairly known that the greater will is using the land between to get some sort of power , how and what is the consequences of it is still unclear , but we also know that the erdtree was there way before the greater will made the elden ring , so yeah the elden ring is definitely a parasite , but the greater will is only one of the outer gods , the golden order is represented by the lightning , probably why they chose the "golden" color as representation , the giants were following another beleif , represented by a bright red flame , the frenzy followers are using a yellow flame also really bright , then theres the carian and the academy who also follows yet another beleif represented by the stars , crystals fallen from the sky a long time ago , probably shards of what brought creature like astel , the blue and purple color is associeted with those , amd then you have mogh , rykard and the thorn sorcerers , who use the blood and flesh as catalist , skulls and thorns are the associations for them , also theres the godskin servants and theire black flames , wich was given to them most probably by another outer god , and we have the "infamous" dung eater , a really physical being , who want to corrupt all flesh , and finally in all this is godwynn , a being a lot like ranni , cursed and bound to the erdtree , but ignored by the greater will wich probably brought the end of the original golden order , infecting the roots of what was giving all the power to the greater being , leading a lot of us to think that ranni was played by yet another outer god to create another champion , living in death , unaffected by the death rune in any ways , wich miquella and godfrey worked togethere to destroy , later on miquella as st trina realized that the outer gods were twisted , wich probably also triggered marika curiosity wich lead to her destroying the elden ring
Apparently before the outer gods the great tree perhaps the crucible was a tree of birth n death then the outer gods came to Lands between and someone put down the erdtree ig
What I found to be strikingly sad is that most of the NPCs or villains deal with some measure of obsession, or something from the past that they continue to cling to -- *except for the ones dedicated to the Age of Stars.* *_SPOILERS_* Ranni was _central_ to this. Everything she does upsets the status quo to the point that she'll endure the heartbreak of sacrificing those closest to her; she'll even accept her own death if it facilitates a future where people are free to carve their own paths. Contrast that with: *Godfrey:* Survival of the fittest mentality, where only the "worthy" can become Elden Lord, that strength above all rules over others. *Radahn:* Clings eternally to battle (and his horse), and held the stars in place to prevent other outcomes. *Mohg:* Obsessed with blood and violence especially against the Order that cast him and his brother out. *Rykard:* Food for the Food Snake. Also single-mindedly committed to his path to the point that his own army went FTSIO. Also also, everybody he eats cannot actually die, and that probably goes for him too even if you kill him. But *Ranni?* "Fuck the status quo. We're changing things up this time."
Marika wanting an end to the Golden Order is part of why I like the Tarnished is a Demigod theory. Because if she wants us to end the Golden Order, then what better way is there to convince us than to show its apathy and cruelty by having us start from literally nothing. Godrick’s BS, Rennalla’s madness, Caelid being left to rot, everything can be traced back to the Golden Order
godrick says something similar about a golden land and that you will find him in the future axho that must have something to do with the serious DLC very cool if you visit land betwen before the break
Merika controls the grace of gold and points the tarnished in the direction to become elden lord The tree is barred by radagons symbol and merika wants you to burn it down to start again
I did Ranni’s quest line, the whole ring on finger deal, I let Melina do her thing at the Tree, Goldmask gave me the thingy at his death. Followed up with what Marika wanted! Visited my caravan brothers one last time, then I Burned it all away! All the girls died believing in me, Melina can’t be mad at me, she was gone. & the guys were all suffering (sad emoji). So yeah.. it’s all gone now Besides these glowing eyes are cool. Beats being a husband to a blue doll or whatever.
I mean so what it demands Erd tree burial. It essentially made the entire population Immortal!! And not like Hollows of dark souls. People got old. Died. Then came back memories intact. It's a perfect cycle.
The tree isn't a parasite on the original, as you'd be able to see the original tree. It is, instead, grafted, meaning it uses the same root system. Now the erdtree is a beach tree, which is a highly manipulated type of tree, so either the old great tree died and was replaced, or it was cut down.
Godfrey held morgott either way as he loved both morgott and mohgwyn when they were born and throughout thier lives but it's marikas fault they were shunned
This is why the Goldmask ending and Ranni ending are the best endings gotta love how Marikas little tantrum really just made everything worse and nothing to show for it anything to screw her over is the best solution.
I think fromsoftware all games are connected, representing earth(sekiro), land between, underworld etc. That's why they have similar bosses and NPC types.
I think Marika shattered the ring for one, very broad, yet very good reason. She wanted change. She saw what the Erdtree really was and how the Golden Order was just lies built on lies. So she devised a plan. Shatter the ring, have the demi gods fight, then the strongest will collect the shards, then the Tarnished would come and kill the demigods and get their shards, and when they finally got to the Erdtree, they might also see what she saw, and the Tarnished would enact change. Every ending for the game is in a way, what Marika would have wanted, as it is a change from what it was. Also that’s why I think Ranni has the best overall ending, seeing as it ends the Golden Order completely and is a beginning of a whole new age, kinda like ending the Age of Fire in Dark Souls 3.
The frenzied flame also ends it
Yes it does but the frenzy also kills and burns everything to the ground
@@Krakain yeah that’s valid. I just kinda don’t like that ending as much cuz it feels a little it pushes the world back into how it was before the Erdtree. When we see the Erdtree destroyed in that ending it kinda looks like the tree that came before it, I think it was called the Great Tree? Anyways. That’s where the Omens and the Misbegotten and the Crucible Knights are from. And I kinda find the moral of the souls games and Elden Ring to be look forward into the future rather than regress into the past
@@Douglas-nt7jd ^ I don’t wanna type it again haha
@Krakain yeah but the only one that is truly a bad is the dung eater one. Its also the only ending you dont get a trophy for. Its truly the worst possible outcome of all the endings
Morgott doesn’t just fade to gold, he turns into grace that points directly at the player. In this moment, Godfrey finally finds Grace again and understands what must be done
The grace is gold
Oh shit 😮
@@DioBrando-yj5xi"just"
@@DioBrando-yj5xiit's more meaningful than simply turning gold, dude
When Morgott fades the ashes guide Godfrey towards the player, just like how the player was guided there by grace.
Yes, both the Tarnished and Godfrey are there in order to meet Marika and they are each other's opponent/last obstacle before achieving their dream/purpose
AND IT IS SO FUCKIN COOL
@@antthefool7637 it’s more tragic then epic if you ask me
@@andrewsprokkreeffjr7667The best part tho, is that godfrey 100% knows who we are. Our tarnished is too powerful to have been unknown to him, during his endless wars outside the lands between, as Hoarah Loux. Plus, The chapel we spawn in, on a isle seperated far from the closest mainland, housed one body. Ours. We might have even been a direct subordinate. It truly is tragic.
OH FUCK WE ARE THE FINAL BOSS OF GODFREY
Morgott: Born with an affliction, which shuns him from the very things he loves, but despite this, he fights for the honour of his parents and the golden order truly a hero.
Mohg: kidnaps child, blood everywhere, big fork, and doesn't give a single fuck about the golden order or any of tht shit above ground he chilling 💀
But he's thousands of years old!! 🐑🐑 (Couldn't get a more fitting emoji for Mohg than this one, so yeah, a goat)
Now how do you feel? 🙃
@@wiseferret4745he wasn’t the moghlester but the mohglested
Both are Sigmas, except that now Mogh was the kidnapped, but, giving a shit to the Golden Order and, also, making a badass and cool blood cult to the No-form Mother, it's kinda chad. Also, he embrace the omen
Mohg was being Miquellested the entire time
Kinda ironic that the erdtree finally "accepts" morgott when all the misbegottens and omens did was just being born w aspects of the crucible (ie horns,tails or wings) and was discriminated upon for it
The tree ain't nice. It'll accept you if you are useful to it and look good while doing it
@@rylievalentine7109 You don't have to look good while doing it, Morgott got accepted, the ones who were discriminating the Omen were the people, not the Gods or the Erdtree.
@@WeebSlayer71 what? He was discriminated. He reside in the basement of the castle untill war break throught.
The erdtree. Reject everyone who from the elder tree
@@Watch-0w1 he meant that not the erdtree despised them but the people who live in the lands between did, after the golden order was established
@@m.l.2871 doesn't erdtree decide who it grace thought?
I'm glad I chose the frenzy flame the world everyone had it coming, especially the dogs.
Facking dogs
Me to
What about the rabbits :(
Not the poor turtles 😭😭😭
Agreed the most annoying stun locking, faster then the character ah ah enemies.
I think dogs killed me more then radagon💀@@HowDoIWipeMyBunsCorrectly
marika sent the tarnished away and had them treated like dirt so they would resent the golden order and the tree knowing their adaptability and that they will return and finish what she knew she couldnt
The player’s Tarnished:
“I do not know who I am. I do not know where I am. All I know is FIGHT.”
sounds like you just don’t like marika…😂
@@oliverfrench2847 the opposite actually, he sounds like he's revering Marika's plan.
Where exactly were the Tarnished send to and who were they before the banishment?
@@furanduron4926 everywhere except the lands between and normal humans who refused the parasite and gold order leaving them unchanged and unaffected to its corruption
That's why I liked the Ranni ending. According to the correct translations, she assumes the power of Marika and godhood, takes the Elden Ring, and fucks off with both it and you in order to keep the influence of the Greater Will out of the Lands Between.
Essentially, your deeds brought about the age of man, free from parasitic outer gods. Of all the endings, this is the best one you can get.
Yess exactly. I think the translation of her dialogue at the end was wrong. Her ending was the best
Yeah no
@@outerheaven4384 but really yeah
@@outerheaven4384 But yes indeed
Why precisely is removing the influence of the greater will in favour of the moon a good thing
After realizing the corruption of the golden order, seeing what happened to the great caravan.. the frenzied flame ending is the only ending I can do. MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
Frenzied flame ending fans trying to justify killing everybody and enslaving the lands between under yet another malevolent outer god (it will ultimately be the same as the greater will)
This is why I prefer Rannis ending.
Simp
Rannis ending is "i did it for the blussy"
Frenzy Flame ending is for based gigachads
I did it for the four armed blue woman 🗿
Im doing it for the moonsword
The simp ending where she and I quote “plunges the world into darkness and uncertainty” yes great end There definitely the “good” ending
Seeing the Elden Ring shatter is like seeing the Gildergleam in whiterun. It is has faded to nothing. A hollow carcass of its former glory. Margot and Godfrey both are like the priestess of Kynareth who sends to collect a weapon to harm the mother tree. In turn you incure nature's ire and get innocent killed. But the tree is renewed. While if you allow the pilgrim to pray then a sapling is gifted. Instead of using force to revive a dying tree. Simply plant the sapling of renewal. Life, Death, Rebirth. A dying age, a new future. For better or worse
I have never played a fromsoft game. It's simply amazing how they're able to create such intricate and original plots for each of their titles
they're the best in the industry
As Kratos said: "The gods care nothing for them; Man should not pray to monsters."
Marika planted the Erdtree. Marika was the one who set the Golden Order. Marika was the one who removed death from the equation naively.
If she did shatter the elden ring to set in motion the demise of the erdtree, it was to atone for her sins, not heroism.
I love your storytelling Evan. Your destiny raid videos are some of my favorites.
much love
And thats how the trees are formed in Izilith
"In my story angels come from the sky ... and the are EVIL"
Fun fact: there is no Great tree, the only item description which mentions THE great tree was a mistranslation, in japanese it just mentioned A great tree
Edit: i was mistaken, its not a great tree, its the Great roots
Yea but there's still a lot of evidence that there was another big tree before the erdtree
@@daddyvegan9325 nope there isnt
Where can I find the original translation?
@@daddyvegan9325 okay, after watching the tarnished archeology i believe there is a very good point in that theory, with all the banners and the statues, however to my knowledge the original japanese item description doesnt mention the great tree but rather the great roots
“Tarnisheeedd…thou’rt but a fooulll” best line on the game
The background music brings back my childhood
During my first job interview my boss literally asked me if I would stay calm during a robbery
Yo wtf
This is so fucking funny I don’t know why
I think robbery happens quite frequently in your boss's company. That's why he asked you that
I love how Morgott finally got accepted by the Erd Tree, the thing he loved the most
That's why I brought forth the age of the moon.
"NoOoOooOo!!11!!11! RaNnI's eNdInG iS eViL😡😡!!11!1!1"
@@Shadow_Cat00 There’s a reason Radahn was holding back the stars. There’s also a reason there are two Astels. Ranni just let down the firewall for some horrific shit.
I’m in NG+ 20 and whenever I see him I always say, how about you lay these foolish ambitions to rest
And that's why the Flames of Frenzy are best and starts off the dark souls games
The games arnt linked tho
@@joshuawhite4113 Yeah I know. It was a joke. You know, since dark souls is all about the fire and all that
Theres a theory i heard like that the frenzied flame ending is the beginning of dark souls and that rannis ending is the beginning of bloodborne. I know the games aren't linked but it would be cool
The Greater Will and Frenzied Flame are 2 sides of the same coin. Absolute order vs Absolute chaos.
@@joshuawhite4113 patches would like to disagree.
My working theory is that Marika doesn't see the Tarnished, Morgott, or really anyone as unworthy to recieve the title of Elden Lord, but she wishes to change the flawed and sickened state of the world, so she desperately tries to prevent the perpetuation of the parasite within the tree, locking everyone out of the tree to protect them, shattering the ring in an attempt to sever its power over her and her family, and readying herself to fight to the death to keep people from mending the ring and reverting everything she has done to try and end the cycle. Despite her best efforts though, the Tarnished of no renown and no maiden is destined to foil her efforts and mend the ring. Only, there is one ending that actually breaks away from this, without costing the lives of everyone and everything. Radagon's daughter, Ranni the Witch, was determined to break fate and write a new destiny for the world. To do this, she had to plan out many very difficult and complicated steps to her plan, and hope that she will by chance meet the Tarnished who is destined to become a Lord, and employ their assistance in a nearly impossible task of defying the Greater Will and destroying the Elden Ring permanently. Though it would cost Ranni much to achieve this mission, she would find success eventually, fulfilling the wishes of Queen Rennala, and Radagon, who is also Marika. This theory is why I believe the eternal night ending is the true ending. The ring is destroyed, a new Lord is crowned, and the Greater Will's hold on Marika's kingdom is finally severed.
the part where you said it was sent by the Outer Gods, the Elden Remembrance (might be a different item) literally calls out the Elden Beast as being a vassal beast, which is essentially something that serves to hold land, for the Greater Will
Looking at these comments seeing people say they went for Ranni’s ending for this and that. Me over here loving her quest line because it was beautiful. The areas you go through to do her quest line were simply stunning, graphics and color, etc. That’s just me though. To each their own
I've always imagined that Marika shattered the Elden Ring because she was sick of being controlled by the Greater Will. We know that Empyreans like she used to be are chosen, and have no say themselves regarding whether or not the Greater Will has chosen them. I imagine she was chosen by the Greater Will to become the god she was, whether she liked it or not, and basically her entire existence and that of the Lands Between were dictated for them. So shattering the Ring was the only way she could think to free both herself and the Lands Between from the control of parasitic godly forces, even if the end result was her eternal imprisonment.
I'm gonna die on the hill that Ranni's ending is the supposed main/canon ending
You experience the most out of the game, out of the different quests for the other endings, other than the chaos ending
That's why he chaos ending is the Canon ending imo
Plus it kinda leads into Dark souls
And you purge the land of all evil in that ending making it the most practical ending
@@pingaspearce9403 you literally set the world on fire. Sure you may have purged evil and corruption, but there aint a world left to live in
@@thecommentguy9380MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
He doesn't fade to gold, he turns into grace. We know this because when he fades into the grace it points to us, Godfrey is also a tarnished and we're Godfrey's next objective
This is also why Gold Mask's ending isn't actually good because you're essentially helping him solidify the Greater Will's influence on the Lands Between by perfecting the great rune of the Golden Order, ensuring its continued reign for all eternity.
finding this comment after a year, you just said the exact opposite the goldmask wants
This is why we go with Rannis ending
Simp
@@Spiralsquare212 indeed
Nah you just simp for a doll
Her ending is shit
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but when Morgott turns to gold he goes towards you like a site of grace. Godfrey’s site of grace pointed toward his goal and his goal is to fight you
Now imagine the dlc to bring back blood borne unique weapons and fighting the eldritch gods of elden ring
I’d kill for a rakuyo like weapon in elden ring with some of lady Maria’s moves.
yeah none of it happened
There is so great tree. The crucible is just the primordial energy form of the erd tree. Skewed up translations made vaati and others think there was another tree.
My brother: May Chaos take the World!! Or the Blessing of Despair
Myself: go with Ranni's ending, Age of the Duskborn, and Age of Order
Well i always thought from the very beginning: if the Elden Ring have been shattered, there must be a reason
This is why Ranni's ending is the true ending/best ending. It makes the most sense since you're doing multiple things in her quest and she talks about her order the most. Her ending cutscene and some of her dialogue aren't well translated but her order cuts ties from the great ones and greater will giving free will and freedom to the people of the lands between without worrying about the golden order or Elden ring.
The frenzied flame is actually the best ending imo the ability to not have to be an errand boy if a blue doll nor have the responsibility to a greater power but instead purge the evil from the lands yourself and provide a better and more beautiful world without the gods is the best ending imo
Morgott: You will not become a Elden Lord
Me: Who said I want to be an Elden Lord?
*goes to Leyndell sewers*
Morgott: No no no, wait wait wait
I've beat the game 5 times and never knew about talking to Margot or the cutscene where godfrey holds him
So what is Godfrey's motivation? Is he there for the golden order or for Marika, and is he there for good intentions or revenge? Like what would have happened if he had entered the erdtree instead of the player?
He wanted to reclaim the Elden Lord title and recreate the Golden Order
Godfrey would have been stomped by the Elden Beast. :P
He was just like us, another tarnished that Grace called to come home and take the mantle of Lord. The difference is that he was our leader, as all tarnished were his followers. However it is unclear why Marika stripped him of his lordship and sent him away along with all of his followers. Was it for them to grow stronger? Or was it to spare them from the war of the shattering? Or was it because she had no further use for Godfrey? Whichever the case, the tarnished are the only viable candidates to become Lord after the war
@Y0G0FU game wise maybe. Lore wise no
"This is why i did rannis ending"🤓
"This is why i did frenzied flame" 🍷🗿
The super Mario galaxy music goes crazy
Not only that but watch Morgots gold travels to you...
I thought of it as golden grace guiding godfrey to his next battle, like how it tells you where to go
Alot of the comments are wrong. The erdtree isn't an evil parasite and the golden order wasn't bad in ideal. The people where the problem and the ones who discriminated against omens for being born without grace. Plus the tree didn't "refuse" margott because he was an omen. The impenetrable thorns refuse ALL. If it was as simple as don't be an omen then any random non omen person could walk up and open the door
You're right on most parts, the reason omens were detested however wasn't because of being graceless (especially seeing how Morgott was literally not graceless)
The reason is literally the aspects of the crucible. Crucible nights weren't hated because their use of the aspects were advanced and controlled. The omens' curse was uncontrollable, and there's an item description that tells us the curse was detested because it was viewed as devolution. Because theirs was devolution, and the Crucible Knight's power was viewed as not; this explains why one was detested while the other was praised.
There are several descriptions talking about the crucible.. literally explaining this to be the erdtree in its infant form..
The erdtree is the physical embodiment of the greater will, the greater will seems to me to be solely interested only in maintaining order - it believes that order will bring unification, thus leading to a true utopia where everything works in synchrony. That doesn’t sound like the bad guy to me.The greater will is limited in what it can do within the physical realm. That’s why it needs Marika and the rest of the consorts and empyreans, they are meant to bridge the gap between the realm of the greater will and the realm of the lands between.
It’s pretty clear to me that the real bad guy here is Marika/Radagon. The game even states that the greater will no longer communes with Marika and has imprisoned her as punishment for shattering the Elden ring, which I believe she did in direct response to Godwyns murder - destroying everything in a fit of rage and desperation sounds exactly like something a totally grief stricken parent would do. She probably did this because the greater will also failed in protecting Godwyn, she shattered the ring as a final fuck you to the greater will for allowing such a tragedy to occur.
Essentially, the greater will doesn’t control its consorts. Marika and Ranni both acted of their own volition outside of the greater will, even though they are meant to be the bridge between this outer god and the rest of humanity.
The meddling of empyreans is what ruined the lands between, this is why the greater will locks away Marika/Radagon and calls out to the tarnished so that someone else may take her place.
Keep in mind, Marika fooled all of humanity with the deception that is Radagon. Why would she do this if she weren’t trying to hide something..
The mending rune of perfect order to me is the best ending. It removes the need for the greater will to require consorts and empyreans to interact with the physical world. Thus, allowing perfect order to take place - no wars, no disagreements, no politics, no bloodshed - a place where every living thing is balanced in perfect harmony.
Sorry for that. I’m high as fuck. 🪴
Not going to lie that sounds like the elimination of free will.
Which is bad.
Better than burning everything to the ground
@@doodlebop921 A world of absolute idyllic peace is a world with only one life in it, that's Armageddon.
Hey, a couple of corrections, it is actually implied that Marika helped the Black Knife Assassins, also the way you word it makes it seem like Marika pretended to be Radagon all along, when that is explicitly not the case, they were two separate people that merged, Marika's hammer even states that after Marika shattered the Elden Ring, Radagon attempted to repair it. Also, it is explicitly stated in Placidusax's remembrance that it was the Elden Lord before the age of the Erdtree, and from the wall markings in Farum Azula, the Elden Ring also existed before the age of the Erdtree
Damn....we're just an enemy just killing off rulers and an entire family of demigods
This is why I love the flamzy fire ending because when you become the new Elden lord you will destroy the tree
The Erdtree isn’t a parasite, it’s a crown sprout scion from the Greattree and Outer Gods aren’t Cthulhu, they’re manifestations of natural concepts like Kami
My logic: Huge drop, loads of bloodstains, 67 messages saying don't jump, 1 message saying jump = clearly a potential shortcut.
Frenzied flame is the best ending, burn everything except Melina apparently
Unless you let her burn herself first, then go to the three fingers. True Lord of Chaos
Better yet, have Melina die to burn the Erdtree, then accept the two fingers and burn the world
Well uuhhhh the frenzied flame ending isn't as good as it sounds considering that the world isn't burned away and instead it's just filled with screams and even more suffering
@@aurorathomson2051 yes, but at least you don't A. Allow people to continue to suffer under the golden order. B. Leave the entire world in a massive amount of disarray. C. Curse everyone forever. D. Cause the biggest civil war by splitting those who follow the golden order
@@aurorathomson2051 “By fire be purged” - ragnaros the firelord
That's why I let chaos take the world, because the Erdtree is just a big fireplace now
"Have you ever felt the curse? With your very being?"
And thus, I shall start a 1000 year voyage.
Ok then, maybe Shabriri got reason with: May chaos take the world. MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD.
I went my whole first playthrough calling them "End Trees".
Me with a Frenzy Flame at my backpack: 😊
I really like the age of the Duskborn, and the theory that all the fog/mist you see are the souls being released from the Erdtree. Second to Ranni's quest in terms of what was best for all the inhabitants
Really looking forward to dlcs to expand the lore
The chaos ending seems even more right nown
Thanks to the DLC we now also know that the Greater Will wasn't even commanding the two fingers anymore, making the entire ordeal even more pointless.
I never knew he had morgot in his hands and that you could talk to him thx for the vid!
Well technically the tree wouldn't be a parasite, as a parasite only takes and never gives, while the Erdtree gives life and nourishment to those around it
It was Marikas Golden Order that failed. It was all her own fault. Removing the rune of death, persecuting the merchants and the omen, all the hatred. The fault was Marikas, she wanted someone else to do it better. You cannot know that the golden order would have failed with a different "God
I was liking where you were going until you said "Alien parasite erdtree"
You should really catch up in your Vaati vids if you still think the Erdtree is a parasite.
The Greater Will most likely sent the elden beast and made the erdtree to enforce its order as the dragons had an elden Lord and god. The outer gods can only corrupt what the Greater Will makes because the Greater Will created all life.
Dlc has big centipede coming up i can feel it
That's why burn the erdtree with the frenzy flame 🍷🗿
The Erdtree is to where souls can return after death thanks to Marika removing the Death Rune from the Elden Ring. If the body of the deceased is burried under the tree, in its roots. That's why Godwyn was burried there.
But Queen Marika forbids this ritual when it comes to Omens.
"May the chaos take the world"
This Make The Frenzied Flame Ending Right for some odd reason
Morgott is such a good character I really didn’t even want to kill him
The erdtree always accepted Morgott, the thing that didn't accept him was the golden order and his mother.
It gets worse. If you look at the massive stone slab at the base of the Erdtree, you'll notice that the hole in it isn't a door. There are no hinges, someone smashed through the stone to make a door. And who did that? My guess: Morgott himself, only to discover he couldn't breach the thorns. I suspect that it was at that moment when he gained his signature hatred for the very concept of ambition.
This is why age of stars and age of chaos are the best endings
Hmmm that frenzy flame is lookin pretty snazzy rn
Ah so that explains the big dead crack within the erdtree
It is fairly known that the greater will is using the land between to get some sort of power , how and what is the consequences of it is still unclear , but we also know that the erdtree was there way before the greater will made the elden ring , so yeah the elden ring is definitely a parasite , but the greater will is only one of the outer gods , the golden order is represented by the lightning , probably why they chose the "golden" color as representation , the giants were following another beleif , represented by a bright red flame , the frenzy followers are using a yellow flame also really bright , then theres the carian and the academy who also follows yet another beleif represented by the stars , crystals fallen from the sky a long time ago , probably shards of what brought creature like astel , the blue and purple color is associeted with those , amd then you have mogh , rykard and the thorn sorcerers , who use the blood and flesh as catalist , skulls and thorns are the associations for them , also theres the godskin servants and theire black flames , wich was given to them most probably by another outer god , and we have the "infamous" dung eater , a really physical being , who want to corrupt all flesh , and finally in all this is godwynn , a being a lot like ranni , cursed and bound to the erdtree , but ignored by the greater will wich probably brought the end of the original golden order , infecting the roots of what was giving all the power to the greater being , leading a lot of us to think that ranni was played by yet another outer god to create another champion , living in death , unaffected by the death rune in any ways , wich miquella and godfrey worked togethere to destroy , later on miquella as st trina realized that the outer gods were twisted , wich probably also triggered marika curiosity wich lead to her destroying the elden ring
Apparently before the outer gods the great tree perhaps the crucible was a tree of birth n death then the outer gods came to Lands between and someone put down the erdtree ig
Shabiri: see bruh i told you
That’s why I got the frenzied flame ending
And that’s why ranni is the best choice since it breaks all cycles
What I found to be strikingly sad is that most of the NPCs or villains deal with some measure of obsession, or something from the past that they continue to cling to -- *except for the ones dedicated to the Age of Stars.*
*_SPOILERS_*
Ranni was _central_ to this. Everything she does upsets the status quo to the point that she'll endure the heartbreak of sacrificing those closest to her; she'll even accept her own death if it facilitates a future where people are free to carve their own paths. Contrast that with:
*Godfrey:* Survival of the fittest mentality, where only the "worthy" can become Elden Lord, that strength above all rules over others.
*Radahn:* Clings eternally to battle (and his horse), and held the stars in place to prevent other outcomes.
*Mohg:* Obsessed with blood and violence especially against the Order that cast him and his brother out.
*Rykard:* Food for the Food Snake. Also single-mindedly committed to his path to the point that his own army went FTSIO. Also also, everybody he eats cannot actually die, and that probably goes for him too even if you kill him.
But *Ranni?*
"Fuck the status quo. We're changing things up this time."
Marika wanting an end to the Golden Order is part of why I like the Tarnished is a Demigod theory. Because if she wants us to end the Golden Order, then what better way is there to convince us than to show its apathy and cruelty by having us start from literally nothing. Godrick’s BS, Rennalla’s madness, Caelid being left to rot, everything can be traced back to the Golden Order
godrick says something similar about a golden land and that you will find him in the future axho that must have something to do with the serious DLC very cool if you visit land betwen before the break
Merika controls the grace of gold and points the tarnished in the direction to become elden lord
The tree is barred by radagons symbol and merika wants you to burn it down to start again
Morgott lost his horns after dying because when he was defeated his cursed omen blood disappeared, I don't think he was accepted
I did Ranni’s quest line, the whole ring on finger deal, I let Melina do her thing at the Tree, Goldmask gave me the thingy at his death. Followed up with what Marika wanted! Visited my caravan brothers one last time, then I Burned it all away!
All the girls died believing in me, Melina can’t be mad at me, she was gone. & the guys were all suffering (sad emoji).
So yeah.. it’s all gone now
Besides these glowing eyes are cool. Beats being a husband to a blue doll or whatever.
I mean so what it demands Erd tree burial. It essentially made the entire population Immortal!!
And not like Hollows of dark souls. People got old. Died. Then came back memories intact. It's a perfect cycle.
The tree isn't a parasite on the original, as you'd be able to see the original tree. It is, instead, grafted, meaning it uses the same root system. Now the erdtree is a beach tree, which is a highly manipulated type of tree, so either the old great tree died and was replaced, or it was cut down.
The erdtree isn't a parasite nor is it leeching off of anyone
Godfrey held morgott either way as he loved both morgott and mohgwyn when they were born and throughout thier lives but it's marikas fault they were shunned
This is why the Goldmask ending and Ranni ending are the best endings gotta love how Marikas little tantrum really just made everything worse and nothing to show for it anything to screw her over is the best solution.
More proof that ranni ending and maybe even frenzy flame ending are the best
I think fromsoftware all games are connected, representing earth(sekiro), land between, underworld etc. That's why they have similar bosses and NPC types.
I have no idea what's going on in this game, but i keep watching these
Well then u feel like it's irl too bc everything I looks at that tree I feel at peace and it looked beautiful in my eyes ( maybe that's only the start
And also doing the frenzied flame also was s good idea