Super Charging Reeds Talaria Sting R! // SOTION Motor Upgrade!
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Finally, an insulation video 🙏 I could probably do it without one, but it’s so much easier having something to go off of. Hopefully they get the screws situated soon.
Good job at explaining the tech specs👍
Great video. Thanks for the install part!!
Thank you, Alfredo brothers!!!
Alfredo bros.. great video. Great sunday morning watch. Hopefully they put the hardware kit and proper plug on motor with there bike orders in the near future.
I am at that point where im looking at motors but thats not a great package if it doesn’t come with proper hardware.
But with your video it will be a easy install. Thanks appreciate you guys..
Very helpful video. I ride EUC, but I have friends that are constantly looking for upgrades on their Talarias and Surrons, so I'm going to save it for future reference.
I don't have a stingR, maybe someday lol
But I really really appreciate how in depth you guys are going in these videos! Great job ALFREDO BROTHERS lol
Awesome video, can't believe how fast it is now O.o. Code Alfredo brothers
Its easier to crack all the bolts loose on the motor before you take it off the bike. Very informative video though thank you for taking the time.
You guys have to remember I ride all year long in terrible weather and love it it’s all about control and the ergonomics of your stile bike me I beat the heak out of what I ride
Hey T boys, great video! Can’t wait for my E Ride SS to get here. I live in Payson! Been watching your videos non stop to learn about these crazy bikes! Maybe we run into each other at some point! Have a great week.
Code Alfredo brothers
Another great video
You will be able to pull more power when it's warmer or if you pre heat your battery
Alfredo brothers are the best!!! i have my talaria with a chi 72v and a e bmx9000 and its awesome, i get tons or range and ride with a bunch of my sport bike freinds (:
Good job boys something I would like to see is multiple bikes on stock motors with different controllers, but that would be a lot of work, putting the stock motors back in like 3 stock talaria motors but 3 different controllers w/ the same 72vbattery I guess technically, you guys would have that footage but you have to chop it up into it but I don’t think that you have draggy for each one of them. Great job at showing people what everything is capable of boys
Tempted to start upgrading power on mine. Honestly i need more seat time before that. Maybe one more season stock power and in 2025 i can let rip
Id love for you guys to do a review of the 8.1 volar sport brakes. They are full size moto brakes that bolt right on front and rear with no modification required
Love this channel need a top speed test for ultra bee vs this
they’re giving you the mph
Adam is the man!!
what would be a better controller torp or ebmx???
ATP you guys might wanna go all in and start buying and selling installed performance packages for Talaria on a level system 1-3 at a good price point and flood the market with souped up PEVs
Hi guys, would the sotion FW02 Encoder supported by the Torp TC1000. Best wishes Basti
can anyone tell me how to change the brake levers on a xxx. i dont see a set screw
How do you buy a Talaria with this motor already in it so as to not have to spend extra money having it installed or having a stock motor on the side you dont need?
yo fier vidio
im a big fan
i have a question can you put a ko kit in talaria xxx
I always watch your videos. Thanks for giving me a lot of information
The motor guard looks sturdy. Can you give me a link to purchase it or the product name?
That is the side by slide skid plate
Just started the video, interested to see how a supercharger was implemented on an electric vehicle.......
Hello, please tell me what are the largest tires that can be installed on 19 wheels in width forward and backward on talaria
thank you
Id get the new Tusk tires from Rocky Mountain ATV! They have a great E-moto line up that just came out.
Alfredo brothers!!
Great video... but why are you running such small rear sprockets at 40T & 44T, maybe for top speed runs? The stock Talaria MX4 motor has twenty magnets inside the rotor and the KO MOTO 35kW motor has only sixteen magnets. I'd be curious to know how many magnets are inside this Sotion motor?
Yes we are running the small sprocket for top speed, but also because the sotion motor is a low KV motor and also has tons of torque with the x9000 so a small sprocket works well. On my dirt set up I’m running a 48tooth with 16/19 wheels.
Thx for the vid. Do you think with identical tune and identical gearing… say at 15kw… would the sotion get better range because less energy loss to heat?
Yes slightly better
@@Talariaboys what's your total build cost for this bch u tool?
My stock Talaria MX4 will do 55mph. No one is doing 55mph off road on these bikes unless in a smooth wide-open area.
Hi, you install hall sensor version motor.Sotion also offers encoder version as far as I know, why do you choose hall? because the ebmx controller does not support the encoder?
We installed the Encoder version and it does work with the x-9000
Can you adjust settings with a phone app with the eride pro SS?
No
Question: how does the stock motor hold up in 40+ degree Celsius (104+ f) climates? Does it cut out due heat etc? That’s where I see the newer motor having an advantage.
Ya the new motor will hold up a lot better in the heat department
Where did you guys get the upgraded gear box bracket? Thanks!
It comes with the motor
Can you do the smallest sprokect you can get your hands on and the highest phase amp? I want to see the top speed.
We were running a 40tooth in this which is very small! and phase amps don't really dictate top speed, your kw power does, Phase amps is torque
Good job Talaria Brothers! Or is it "Alfredo Brothers"?.
We go by either name 😂
@@Talariaboys or you could go by Packer Brothers. Hahaha
Will this fit mx3 or just mx4 and did they fix the plug and screws?
Yes it fits, not sure if they have fixed that stuff yet.
Are you guys going to try a 72v battery on the Torp 500? Curious of the performance before I invest in a 72v battery.
Yes we have tried off camera! Its definitily worth the battery upgrade!
whats the best ebike with upgradability in mind ? budget is not a problem
Talaria or Surron if you plan to do tons of mods
Alfredo brothers wow ! Sea food Alfredo
I totally understand your discrepancy in your numbers.
All along prior to the new motor you guys were stating certain phase amps and kw numbers and they were always higher than what the bikes were capable of.
Makes sense that no matter what the app says or what you have it set to. Just because it’s set to it or it’s saying a certain amount doesn’t mean that’s what you’re doing. Only in optimal conditions and with the optimal equipment that’s capable of doing specific numbers then and only then will the numbers on the program actually be sent and accepted by the motor. And battery and controller.
Crazy how much faster the new motor is.
You should try it against the mx3 motor since you can get more max rpm it should do better than the mx4.
Crazy to think that if your planning on upgrading your bike it’s better to have a mx3 then a mx4. that the mx3 motor can be pushed so much farther than the mx4.
And with a new mx3 going for 3400 dollars I mean come on. That saved money goes right to a x9 controller and your same price as a mx4 now a 2000 battery and you at the stock price for a 12 kw ultra bee 6500$
But for 6500 your mx3 is 18kw
Not bad at all.
So try it against the mx3 motor with upgraded battery and controller and see what happens.
Geee G! People are turning up the ebmx x 9000 to 100 percent and burning up the harness! Laze potato chips you just can’t have enough
What stock talaria motor is being tested here? The PMSM or the IPM?
IPM
Is the talaria Sotion motor out? I wanna 72v my mx3 but this is what holding me back I don’t wanna burn my motor out and no be able to upgrade😊
darwinev.com/product/sotion-motor-upgrade-talaria-electric-motorbike/
Why thefk would you spend that much money on upgrade when you could buy brand new and faster for cheaper?
How did you end up finding out that your battery could push more than whatever it's rated for which I think is 15 kW or something because I have an a
EBMX 72 42 and was wanting to know if I could push more power but I didn't want to damage the cells or anything...
I'm also running a Stock surron motor which I know is limiting phase amps and watts so now I am just debating on what motor to get... Do I get the sotion or the EBMX a motor? I have an a EBMX9000 as well and I know a EBMX recommends their motor because it pairs with their controller and the tune well.
Hey man your battery is rated to 22kw peak. So you could turn up your power to that if you had an upgraded motor, you wont hurt the battery, it has a full bms system that manages the cells and if they are pushed to hard it shuts it off. The Sotion and ebmx motors are amazing, the ebmx is a nicer motor and has higher rpm and power rating but does cost more so its a hard choice. It all depends on how much power you want to run, both motors can easily handle what your battery is rated for but if down the road you want to run over 30kw you would need the ebmx motor and buy the ebmx race battery with higher specs.
@@Talariaboysright.. thanks for your reply.. i was taking with ebmx and only reason I can’t go over 15kw is the stock Supra connectors on the Surron I guess wouldn’t work good over 15kw so I’d need a qs8 but the normal ebmx 72v 42 battery doesn’t have a qs8 and was wondering if I could install one without any problems with bms or anything…
Do u have any idea how to fix error code 02 have embx controller ko motor
Please join the X-9000 facebook group for support questions
So when you did the top speed run did you switch the power output back to 20KW? because when you did the top speed run it was only hitting 17KW and that's what you lowered it to for the drag race right before. I could be completely wrong I'm just confused why I saw only 17KW.
No it was set at the max, doing top speed runs don't hold the peak over 20kw of power though because they are to long, and the battery isn't capable of doing that. we did pull more than 17 but our old motor would have only held like 13 consistently on the same top speed run.
@@Talariaboys oh ok I thought I was tripping haha but still that's absolutely insane power right there.
Are you on a MX3? Will a MX4 with stock motor hold 20kW better than MX3?
Alex's bike in the video had mx4 motor, it seems to hold power a bit better than mx3 motor, but mx3 motor has a higher rpm rating
For the 79 bike she. I’m on sport plus and I try to full throttle at a stop it liek stalls how did you guys get rid of it
It also says error 4 on the screen
Not sure about that man. We havent had that issue
What I don’t understand is the bike to build is a 1994 GSXR 750 this is the 907 stage 2 yoshamera
Where did you order the new race battery you have coming?
Strait from EBMX but you can pre order it here! This isnt the correct photo but we work with rev rides and they have the new one coming! Nice price at $2200 as well!revrides.com/products/ebmx-high-power-batteries-72v-57ah?variant=47767391600930
@@Talariaboys you guys offering any discount codes for them?
@@vinceroblejust go a brand new dirt bike for cheaper udumfk
Code Alfredo brothers!
Are u using the stock battery 60v?
No
Of course it’s gonna be better then any stock e-bikes motor like what
These guys are fkn tools. Want do you expect?
How waterproof are the Sotion motor ?
I would trust it riding through a river underwater
I don't know why I bought the X3.The m x four is such a better choice
I have a x9000 Ko moto factory Spec Motor and a Chi Titan touring s battery. I just did a top speed run tonight and I can't even hit 60mph. I am running a 44 tooth sprocket. My settings is 20kw 350 battery amps 800 phase. I hit 58.9 mph top. what am I doing wrong here
What is your field weakening set to?
@@Talariaboys 100% NOTE: The PWM Frequency is wrong on the KO motor. I have Jared from EBMX fixing that
Sotion, much lika talaria, figured out the secret: under promise, over deliver.
I'm running 23 kw peak with the KO motor and controller on my 21/18 Sting R with a 54t sprocket and I've been pretty happy. It's an absolute monster but I'm seriously considering going to the new ChiBattery compact 50 ah battery and bumping it up to 30kw.
One thing we have learned is that those coin cells can peak at that power but have a huge amount of voltage sag doing it… like 14-15 volts so when you do that in a full charge you’ll drop down from 83-below 70 so it’s really hard to push it! The Ebmx race battery pouch cells only sag around 7-8 volts and hold the peak power numbers much better, chi also has a Bipassed bms when discharging (aka when riding) which in our opinion removes another layer of safety. Just things to consider when you get in the really high power segment.
Aren’t those wheels 17” wouldn’t it have a higher top speed with 19/21 and the taller tread?
yes it would have a higher top speed!
So are all the boys upgrading their motors now?
Yes in all different ways
@@Talariaboys I hope that means ebmx motor next!
What tires are on there?
Stock Talaria Super moto wheels and tires from Luna Cycle
Oh my goodness this bike is capable of 76 miles per hour the bike is really light ware body armor
Alfredo boi
Alfredo bros
Alfredo brothers
Difference between you and the rest is you do not promote going this fast and are preaching safety over everything else
Meanwhile surronster is running wheeling through stop signs and red lights impressing 12 year olds.
@@Tacotrucktodd cry abt it
@@TacotrucktoddI personally love surronster but I totally agree it just gives the rest of the community a bad image because not everyone rides like that
@@Tacotrucktoddthat’s tough
Im not even a fan of Talaria. You guys are awesome, though. I can't wait to see what the new battery can do.
Loving the content ❤
Talaria race battery?
In the garage now....
Talaria made a race battery? What’s the specs
Same as Surron race battery! 72v 42ah upgraded wire harness included and rated to 35kw peak. We are putting it in Reeds bike soon to try. www.ebmx.com/shop/ebmx-talaria-high-powered-battery-162#attr=1346
There’s 20 super bikes racing the streets of Detroit at night iam retired but I have the bikes to do what ever I am capable
Alfredo Bros
Atta boy!
The E-bikeguy did 105mph with a normal Ebike with pedals, that's way more scarier.
Yea that’s crazy!
How do you make your e-bike go 105mph?
Dyno tested
I'm surprised you chose sotion
Why? Its an amazing motor
Big motors for big guys & big tires" besides nobody wants to get spanked on your radness" mopower baby" because black lines matter"
I'm confused. You guys said in your previous videos that you get 20 kW with no temperature problems and over 70 mph topspeed and that you pull 700 phase amps or more with the mx4 motor and now you say that 70 Mph is only possible with a poorly running motor and you don't pulled 500a phase But now with the sotion motor comes the truth
Why didn't you show the facts straight away?
It is what it is when the motor dont get 20 kw and is a low kv motor that cant get more rpm and topspeed
The truth is we thought we were actually pulling those previous numbers, but once we learned how we could actually measure KW and phase amps we realized we were set high but the motor would only do what it was capable of doing which is around 17kw and 500 phase. Now measuring the new motor the same way it is so much faster it’s not even funny. We were in no way trying to mislead, we just didn’t fully understand until recently.
Hey guys since you are getting more batteries, Could yall sell me one im from florida im 16 and pay payments on my bike
I have been 200 miles an hour on the gsxr every young guy laughing about my stock bike I scrard everyone with my build 175 miles an hour
I’m not selling any of my super bikes just the ebikes that I want to sell I have to many bikes okay like 5
I got 8kw nominal 20kw peak motor for less than 850€... You need to source better deals
You realize this motor is 12kw nominal and 24kw peak and costs less than €850 with our discount code? Why comment stuff like this when you don’t even know?
@@Talariaboysfr
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@@Talariaboyssome people are just a little dumb in the head
Fun to ride I’m sure but Christ, it sounds boring hearing about phase amps and watts. Prefer jet size, drilling holes in air boxes, octane ratings etc more complicated but seems more satisfying. As long as these things get more people out riding then that’s the most important take away.
My surron is so much faster than this 😂
Prove it
Alfredo brothers
love it