KSG -vs- DP-12 [ Best Bullpup SHOTGUN ? ]
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After Popular Demand, It's time to see which is the Best Bullpup 12gauge Shotgun on the Market...the Kel-Tec KSG or the Standard Manufacturing DP-12? Though there are other Bullpup Shotguns on the market, these seem to be the Top 2 for now!...This video is VERY LONG, but wanted to cover all the bases...
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I have the KSG ... there is a shell deflector made by SMT Tactical to keep the shells off your wrist. There is also an enhanced tube selector that extends the tube selector to the point where you can switch the tubes with your wrist. Regardless ... Great unbiased vid. Good work!
Good info.
Thanks
The selector switch is a huge “pro” imo. I can load slugs in one tube, buckshot in the other.
"click on the time stamps so i wont waste your time"
*subs instantly*
My viewers time is valuable and I respect it. Sometime people just want to see the details and others want to see just shooting aspects...Want to give them the option. Welcome to GY6vids
Dudes legit.
Same. Mad respect to him for that.
Lol
GY6vids i
This is a very professional and candid video presentation. I hope you continue to be honest in the future, and not give in to corporate pressures. Thanks It is a breath of fresh air in the world of product reviews
Glad you enjoyed. Yeah it is rough fighting against the wants and needs of companies...everyone wants positive info spoke about their firearms, but honesty in my findings is #1, and it's very rarely 100% perfection on any of the firearms I review...but doesn't make any one gun horrible...but there are times a gun in HORRIBLE, and when that occurs, I'll tell you! Without the trust of my viewers...whats the point of doing reviews.
So what do you think of the ksg. Me personally I am kinda liking it. In a fantasy tactical sense lol the selector switch makes for a quick reload. 7 then a quicker 7 than reloading a new 30 rd mag. With the dp12 once you run dry you either load both tubes or shoot one skip one. just a novice shooters 2 cents
TexMex....That’s one of the problems I have with the DP-12. That and it weighs a ton!!!
@@anderseckstrand7033 Do you use a sling for it ? That would help.
HEY!!! Got am idea...gonna run the DP-12 again in a video, and we will see its fast double tap in action(Cant tell you what, ruin the surprise LOL)...Granted the double tap with 12 gauge isn't the most accurate but it can be VERY ENTERTAINING in certain situations!
The speed of the DP-12 and its crisp trigger, will make for some fun!
LIKE this comment if you're down for some more DP-12 stuff....
Yes, please! The DP-12 should excel at a double tap drill. The fast double tap, ammo capacity and pump reliability is why I'm purchasing a DP-12 for home defense.
Oh I forgot...ALWAYS DOUBLE TAP!!!
You should get vambraces for the ksg.
pretty sure during your speed test that was operator error you were most definitely short stroking the action on both shotguns. alot of people give the ksg a bad reviews because they try to run it as fast as they can an in there rush tend to also short stroke the action. I have do it myself while speed firing a pump shotgun. good vid though
I`m a little late to the show but I think they make a shell deflector for that now. No more snake bite !
Probably one of the best comparison videos - not just for guns but of anything - that I've seen. Got me from the start with the time stamps and again at the end with the whole "don't discount the 500 or 870" reality check. Honest reviews not driven by manufacturer pressure. Just awesome.
Great vid quality. Calm, non-obnoxious levels, no dopey funny shinnanigans, straight and to the point, nice slo-mo action, music fits, nice fade ins and outs. 10/10. Great Job !
I always thought the dp12 was just two KSG's welded together
It kinda is.
It's more of a ksg with and extra barrel.
"hope you appreciate the quality..."
Man, said it before and I'll gladly say it again: Your production quality is trough the roof. Excellent in every way.
Thank you for the effort and the honest insight in both systems!
Such a well shot and edited video, amazing amount of work, effort, and dedication! The quality really shows, and what you're doing for the firearms community is very appreciated. Thank you for the outstanding material! Liked and subscribed.
Thank you Jimmy! Means a lot. Thank you for all the support. MUCH MORE COMING.
I want to thank Tim Tebow for doing this review.
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for the ksg I use my wrist guard I use for bow shooting and it deflects those shells great
Ocazzar smart man
I don't have the problem of the shells hitting my wrist
That's what i was thinking. Small mod or polyurethane wristband!
@@hjburgess same here man.. was news to me too
I had a problem with it shooting out on my fucking nipple like smacking it
finally someone who doesn't curse every 2 seconds so I can watch videos around my house without headphones
I will never allow cursing in my videos on GY6vids. I will either bleep them out or cut them out. Promise you that.
It's definitely appreciated thank you!!
GY6vids thank you for the video I'm getting the KSG Friday 2-24-17 can you do a vid for KSG vs Utas vs dp12 OR. something vs the Utas ...PS you could host a gun safety class here in FL ur awesome
05crrt ..i hope you didn't buy the KSG...The DP-12 Is far better. There are a lot of DP-12 videos on TH-cam and this is the ONLY one where this guy was having problems with it..i own one and I have had no problems at all...better than burning your wrist off from the KSG.
USA- USA yes I bought one , have to say I've very happy with it. I had a few rounds jam. that was due to me NOT the firearm .. operator error but since then no problems
7 years later this video is still impressive, and helpful. Just purchased my KSG and love it. Thank you sir.
Glad it helped!😎🤝
@@GY6vids 🤜🏻🤛🏻
I bought mine yesterday:)
Thank you for this great review. I am 100% certain which shotgun I'm going with (first). I love shotguns and have had my heart set on the KSG 25 since I came across it recently at a local gun shop. Then I saw the DP-12 which is most certainly boner-inspiring for pretty much any shotgun lover. After watching this entire review, I'm quite certain the overall better choice is the KSG, so I'll be going to pick mine up shortly. That said, I'm pretty sure I will be adding the DP-12 to my shotgun collection eventually as well.
Hey GY6 I appreciate all the time you took editing and including the time markers. Not enough people say thanks so thanks man, keep making awesome videos
Thank you for saying thank you...its a ton of work and I want to make sure to NOT waste you time(Hence the Time Markers). Some viewers have time to watch it all, and others just want to get to the point. Thanks for the support!
+1989Muppet Huh, I wonder why?
I watched your previous video on the DP-12 and how the cycling was a problem. I am glad that Standard Manufacturing has since corrected the problem. I own a DP-12 and have put many rounds through mine. I have never experienced the sticking of shells, and the action works flawlessly regardless of the angle I am holding the weapon. Thank you for bringing this issue to the attention of Standard which prompted them to fix this problem. I enjoy your videos.
@@pomztoybox6877 me too and I’m sorry but if someone is clearing a building with there weapon pointed perpendicular to the floor tha that is a tactical issue not a mechanical one
Yeah....not for $1300 bucks....almost twice the price of the KSG and all of these issues? I'm good. Great vid.
KAMP- I agree 1,000%.
imgone What does the DP have over the KSG?
@@YardieSmoke1 Nothing.
Thank you for helping me decide that I’m sticking with purchasing a KSG
Nah bro it is 100% worth it ... the first gen dp12s might have had quirks but I've never had the issues this guy had ... its the best shotgun money can buy IMO .... and yes I even say it's better than the m4.
Great review! In case anyone missed it. The ksg can also hold. 24. Mini slugs. That is huge. Love the mini slugs!
yep KSG is the only shotgun on market that runs ALL 12ga shells flawlessly
So it’ll run them flawlessly? I’ve been wondering this
@@vilador8229 I run the Aquila minishells in my KSG full time for security work, never had a single issue with them.
The KSG 25 holds 41 minishells.(with one in the pipe)
I have a KSG and use Aguila minishells, both slug and buck shot. You can put a max of 11 in each tube and they work flawlessly. I have shot well over 100 shells in one range visit, have had no miss feeds, no empty shell casings hit my wrist although my daughter did and the recoil is very much reduced by using a smaller shell.
I think Standard Manufacturing must have made minor changes since this video. I've had zero (0) misfeeds or misfires since purchasing mine in Fall 2021 -- it's been 100% perfect. I'm glad they got those issues worked out :)
How many shells do you have through it now?
That LaRue target rises like something out of a horror movie.
Again 7Yrs. later, but was that because he just shot the crap out of the base of it? Or do they always function that way?
KSG is my to go shotgun for home defense, and its pink :3 For the selector switch i installed a longer one and use my wrist to flick it over to switch tubes.
Haha pathetic you use a shotgun for home defense. Use an Ar15 wont hit your family in a hostage situation.
@@HoeLeeSheet At the ranges you'd expect indoors, a shotgun is a rifle for all intents and purposes; the spread will be fist-sized if you shoot across the room. There's that and the fact that not everyone has access to an AR-15 for home defence. You could live in Canada or, even worse, California.
@@HoeLeeSheet Yes you are correct but an Ar15 round will penetrate drywalls like swiz cheese!!!, you have to think about what's on the other side of multiple walls!!!. The best home defense system is to use a good quality handgun or what I do is I have two weapons systems ready to go close to me for just an intruder or all-out "zombie apocalypse". Fight like you train and this is what 20+ years of military service has burnt into my muscle memory, I never went to combat without my P226 and my M4!!!.
"Always outnumbered, Never Outmanned"
@@HoeLeeSheet An AR for close quarters home defense? Come on man that's ridiculous. Pistol first, shotgun 2nd and then my AR pistol. Hopefully never have to find out which works best. 90% of gun owners wouldn't think a shotgun is pathetic.
@@HoeLeeSheet Do you even own a shotgun? Almost everyone I know who has one would go for it for home defense especially over an AR. Using an AR doesn't guarantee that you wont hit your family in a hostage situation. Chances are, you're going to wind up shooting a member of your own family.
I'm picking up a DP-12 this weekend in my home state of CT. Thank you for the great review.
No complaints about my KSG,,protects me and my family just fine,, and its a great gopher remover and camping protection. God bless, great video thanks..
Mr. TEN 13 ever have any problems with the shell bite like this man had?
Adam Weight I haven’t, and i’ve cycled all 15 rounds multiple times.
I don't want a shotgun that's made out of beach plastic and plus shotguns are useless against home defense if I want something for home-defense I'll take an AR-15
@@HoeLeeSheet
That would be effective but not cool when the bullets blow through your (neighbors) walls and destroy things in the next room.
#overpenetration
@@HoeLeeSheet Not all polymers/plastics are the same, as should be obvious, despite that I doubt that the polymer that Keltec uses isn't good enough to last
lmao That ending was a lot like a Top Gear verdict: "So between the KSG and the DP-12, I recommend the Remington 870." I know that's not what you were getting at, but it just made me think of that. And really though, it is a very good point. I mean, they're 12 gauge shotguns for god's sake; quite possibly the simplest principle of all firearms. Put shell in chamber. Pull trigger. Gun goes boom. Shot goes somewhere in front of you. These two guns, unless you're going to need that higher capacity, its really just a matter of how much you're willing to pay complicate a simple prospect. I mean I do like both guns and they'd be a blast to own, but for my money, I'd probably just grab myself an 870 as well.
If agree with that verdict, but if I didn't have a choice between the two, if choose the DP-12
I'd choose
anyone who advocates for the remington 870 hasn't shot a new one terrible ejection I'd go mossberg
lucernhammer
Not all newer 870 models have problems. However I would say for the $, no one should have any issues, but you can thank The Freedom Group that bought out Remington for that. For sure, you can't go wrong with a mossberg.
More shells can be the difference between life and death. I'll take more over less any day.
Having worked with both, I believe the DP-12 to be the superior of the two......good speed and smooth action. Love the double barrel feature.
It’s also like twice the price
@@brenchyalowicois6748 Yeah it’s 2 ksgs welded together of course it costs twice as much.
@@brenchyalowicois6748 And twice the quality. Wouldn’t pay a plug nickel for that KSG piece of crap
@@toddbowser9415 the early ones yes but they fixed all the kinks. My ksg has been 100% reliable
@@toddbowser9415 plug nickel? How old are you? 150 years old?
Best firearm reviews in the Internet! Very entertaining, honest, amazing quality of video. Keep it up
Thank you!
you don't have to flip the KSG to switch tubes... you can change it with your wrist. which includes on accident!
Is your name for real
+Slash Poison lol I'm a male nurse. murse ... Mursenary... lol
+TheMursenary that is possibly the most creative name I've seen, love it
Have you ever watched Scrubs?
haha thanks guys. and nah, never watched any medical based show except House.
I have an extended tube selector that I can switch tubes with a flick of my wrist on my KSG..
Just wanted to say excellent video! Very professional and well put together. So real quick I'm overseas so have way to much time on my hands. I have watched probably 50 reviews between the KSG and the DP-12. I like both but will choose the DP-12 more than likely. I dunno if it is just the DP-12 you have but this is the only video with the issues of misfeeds and soft primer strikes. Maybe user error short shucking because your going back and forth and the KSG is smaller. You obviously have a ton of experience with shotguns but just noticed none of the other videos have this issue and the DP-12 looks pretty flawless besides this video.
*"DP-12 hands down!"*
Thanks for the great review. Totally top notch quality and VERY fair to both platforms. Many pros and cons to be to be sure. Because price was certainly a big factor (and quite frankly, they both seemed about on par) I went with a KSG. I still love the DP12 and would love to own one.
After shooting the KSG, I can thankfully say that the rounds clear my wrists and I have never been bitten by a single round. I wonder if this is a change in Gen 3 or if my wrists are just a little smaller than yours (or we hold the platform differently; I think my grip is in a different spot). Likely the latter. I am 6' 192lbs btw, so not a small man, so for all those reading, don't automatically assume the rounds will hurt your wrist like they did his.
If they DID I was willing to take that chance, as if I need to pull her out in home defense, I couldn't give two shits less about a bruise lol.
if money isnt a problem, then buy AA-12
you cant. its sold only to the military
@@jussayinmipeece1069 Not quite true. Semi-Auto AA-12's use to be on the market till about September of 2019, but the ATF recently declared them as destructive devices as they "had potential to be converted to full auto" and have since prevented the selling of AA-12 on the civilian market
jussayin mipeece Pfft, do basic training. So... you CAN.
@@evschulze2781 That's a dumb reason. By that logic, an ar 15 could also be converted to full auto, or an ak 47. That can't be the reason.
@@Superman-xr1oh Funny you should say that, they're going after the AR.
Getting the DP 12 Thursday thank you so much for helping to resolve the feeding issuing when pointing downward
You were very informative and I thank you. I was on the fence between the two guns. I'm going with the ksg on the price factor, accuracy, and ease of stripping down.
I must be perpetually 13 years old (I'm actually 44). Every time he said "girth" I heard Beavis and Butthead laughing!
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Slow down on those times you’re trying to speed up. You’re short stroking it and creating the yam. On the one barrel one. Slower means faster when short stroking occurs.
Redo that testing going slower and you will see I’m correct.
I hate yams
For the ksg you can put the selector switch in the middle so you don’t have to switch it after the first 7 shots. It automatically switches from barrel to barrel.
OMG No videos mention this!!! Thanks!
KSG owner here. That is false. It cannot cycle and you can't even load it if the mag tube selector switch is in the middle. If anything, it functions as a second safety.
@@trapez6271Don't listen to him he's full of it. If you put the selector switch in the middle if prevents both tubes from loading. I own a KSG and I have tried it myself in the past
@@rwplm thanks for verifying that, i read that somewhere a few weeks back 👊
@@rwplmI started smiling until I saw your reply. I own the ksg also and got excited to test that out.
When shooting the dp12 you can not hold the trigger down while racking the slide. By doing so it will not allow the trigger to reset which in turn causes a weak hammer fall or it will not fall at all.
I had some light primer strike on my DP-12 right out of the box shooting today... That was one of the problems. The other problem is that one round would fire but the other one won't let me pull the trigger. I was shooting the Fiocchi ammo... After I went home, disassemble the shotgun, clean it, oil it ,and switch to Estate Super Sport, the problem went away. It's the weirdest thing ever!!!!
Hey man, you have some of the greatest reviews I've seen on TH-cam, great job! It's fun and it's complete on information. Ps: I'm Brazilian and unfortunately we aren't allowed to have guns, but fortunately I've been learning a lot about them with you guys, thanks a lot!
Glad you enjoy them! Much more to come...thank you for the support.
Are you ambidextrous? Just curious because you shot the guns from both shoulders.
Between the two, KSG. But, I'll stick with my 870, she's never done me wrong.
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The sticky rounds might be the Winchester you're using.. I've had to butt-stroke more than a few of them out.
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Awesome video! *~Spoiler~*
After 30min of watching, the best bullpup IS? The 870! LOL
The 870 is about a 4th of the cost of both
is your 870 tactical
+unknown33 unknown33 mine is
Super Tactical.. It's got a black stock and everything.. (Snark)
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870 Mag express, w/ 18" cly, Short Lop Hogue stock&forend, streamline sidesaddle, and +2 extension.
My cheapest, and most adored firearm.
sticky problems usually are related to 'shell quality'.. I once shot some cheap shells that left a coating in the barrel that after about 20 rounds I had use a rod to bang them out, like a muzzle loader!... switched to Remington and never had a problem!
Hands down you have some of the most Complete reviews i've seen. Thank you!
thank you!
Watching the slow-mo these guns are flexing quite a bit - I wonder if that is contributing to the issues that crop up when you are rapid firing. Either way - great review. I'm leaning towards the KSG due to the centered barrel and consistent target acquisition.
Except the fact of the shells flying out and hitting your wrist.
+Slash Poison deflector available or don't hold your elbow in so much so your wrist isn't tucked directly under. I don't have a deflector and have no issues with it hitting my wrist.
Also, you can't put the DP-12 on safe after shooting one barrel. You have to either shoot both barrels or dump a live round out to put on safe.
I think its a combination of the parts just expanding with heat (he did mention that it only happened after 150 rounds or so), and the fact that shotguns like this are notorious for misbehaving if you repeatedly fire them as quickly as he was; especially something like the UTAS UTS-15, but that thing has so many other problems, its hard to pick just one. I did notice though that the DP-12 didn't seem to flex nearly as much as the KSG.
maniacmatt1782 true true but the fact is, that it is a base shotgun review honestly would not buy either to many cons for the price
Absolutely fantastic review Andrew. I really appreciate your time,efforts and sincerity. Thank you and please keep up the great work.
Just from my own experience, the KSG absolutely hates those short neck aluminum shells and gets sticky like that with them as well. Most notably the Remmington target load shells, bound up like crazy. No problems with high necked shells, or short neck brass ones. Kel Tek themselves told me they don't intend them to use the short neck ones, just a thing with the KSG extractor. Had the thing for about 5 years now and still love it, just gotta experiment around with ammo a bit.
There was no issues with the DP. The issue was the same as with the other. He was racking and pulling trigger to fast before he finished racking. That's what caused the misfires in both shotguns.
Did the manufactures ever comment on the misfires, shell extraction "bite" or the stickness? After watching your review, they both seem to have major issues and made me decide not to buy either. It seems like each one failed the most import test during the speed fire. Not good - seems like they would have caught this during testing on their end and just let it go out anyway. IMHO
Thanks for the review .. Now I know not to buy the unreliable DP 12. 🍋🍋🍋 .
double tap 12 gauge: first the knees,second the torso. . . done!
I'm still continually impressed by how well shot (pun intended) and edited these videos are
Well done man
Thank you! always good to hear, and EXTREME amount of time and money goes into producing them.
Man that KSG looks so good in that color. Love mine it's black and I can hit a 12" gong at 150 yards with slugs, I Have a Holosun 506C on it.
Nice!
@@GY6vids Very nice!!! The length of the hallway in my house is about 50', so I don't really care about rounds on target at 450'... (that's why I have a .308) Due to the mis-fires in this video, though, I would not choose the DP-12, regardless of Hickok45's review ;)
This video is informative however it's pretty old now. Is there an updated video or has there been any changes/fixes to the cons that you listed? Especially the shell ejection on the ksg. I noticed there are now 4 different types of ksg as well. Thanks, great video!
Having used the KSG and owning a DP12 I prefer the DP12 to the KSG. The KSG after breaking it down 10-15 times, cleaning, oiling, and making sure it was reassembled at a relatives house, he and I spent more time doing that than shooting it. He eventually sold it just to get rid of it . The DP12 I have owned for a year now and i have never broken it down or cleaned it after having shot 6-7 hundred rounds through it. I have experienced however as in this video the light primer strikes of the DP12. At most i would say its been 5-10 shells that failed to fire. Now I havnt broken it down to see whats going on in there whether it is a factory issue or a ammo issue even though i highly doubt its the ammo do to the light dimple on the back of the shell. Price difference is significant to i paid 1400 before taxes on mine but to me it was worth it. All in all though i love the DP12 it has a velvety smooth action but neither make good skeet guns lol.
Thank you for sharing your personal experience, sorry to hear youve had such issues. That sucks;-/
+GY6vids you should do a dp12 vid with aguila mini shells lol. thanks for the awesome vids
Yeah that would be cool! The DP-12 can dump shells so fast it would be a crazy time for sure!
Great review...thank you! I’ll still use my Benelli M4 though.
I'm a simple man. I see GY6vids? I like GY6vids video.
On another note, great video! Thank you!
Love from Sweden!
+GY6vids You have a very educational approach to your videos, and I very much appreciate that. Education is key, and you good sir are a great educator. I know what I'm buyin now ;)
Thank you for the kind words, glad you enjoy my work! Glad it helped!
The faster you try to pump a bullpup, the more likely to accidentally short-shuck it, causing jams.
This guy is paid off by KSG, to promote KSG over the DP 12,you can't even find other channels having cycling problems with a dp-12,or any malfunctions except the one when you hold it down which dp-12 fixed I see right through this guy's lie, lol y'all people need to wake up
Great Vid, I got the KSG because of this vid. Thanks for posting!
PERFECT vid, unbiased, very thoroughly in explaining and not just saying like if the audience should know already-experts and BEGINNERS watch.
New with this and understood everything thanks for explaining and not just “oh look what I have this is cool.”
These types of vids are supposed to be educational, not show and tell, other channels can’t comprehend that.
I was literally deciding between these two and you’ve gave great camera angle, multiple different stress tests scenarios, time markers (to avoid wasting time), and things as a newcomer I wouldn’t have considered into perspective
I’ve realized which best suits me specifically, thanks.
Best bullpup review I've seen. Great info and thorough too. Thanks a bunch! Now I know the KSG is right for me.
If the KSG had a feature that fed both tubes, without having to hit the switch to feed from the other tube, it would be a great home defense pump shotgun. I'm not suggesting they change the ability to select just one tube. But, you shouldn't have to hit a switch after one tube is empty. This causes you to break your grip and aim. These are essentially home defense shotguns. In that situation, it's undesirable to break your grip in order to engage the 2nd tube.
Hell of a review. Knows his stuff and has GOOD quality.
Thank you!
The bias towards the DP-12 was obvious, but bottom line is the little KSG outperformed the big heavy DP. He kept saying the DP was faster, but certainly not with all the jams, yes the KSG had one slight jam, but was quickly cleared and still in the fight. KSG- lighter, ammo choice during the fight, more accurate at all ranges, much greater dependability, easier to wheel around in tight areas, ….all things which could make a difference in a fight. Additionally, and sadly, the DP had the improved modifications to correct the operation problems,……. NOT. Love it when a biased review comparison goes just the opposite when the rubber hits the road !
Yes I have the KSG - over 200 rounds fired, with only one failure to feed, my fault, did not pump properly.
Now, oh my GOD a tiny wrist Burn from ejecting shells with the KSG,……Install the cheap deflector,……….. but he didn’t mention that!
Anyone ever tell you that you sound like Chris hemsworth in Red Dawn?
When I 1st got my DP12 it always shot both barrels at once. Talk about packing a punch! I sent it back to the company & when I got it back it performed how it should. I should've left it how it was lol
I have a few bullpup shotguns and the KSG is one of my favorites. Love the vids. Yours and Hickok's are definitely the best. Thank you for the quality content.
KSG for the win. You can’t keep using a gun that has multiple failures like that during ordinary and competent operation. It’s nice that the DP 12 has easier feeding but doesn’t matter if it doesn’t go bang.
When I 1st got my dp12 I had to send it back to the factory for repair because it was shooting both rounds at the same time .... so there is a way. Now it's functioning as advertised
It would be nice if it had that option to switch though... Can you imagine shooting two 3" slugs at the same time? Kinda like a midget on redbull trying to punch you in the side lol
This video made me make up my mind between the two, went with the KSG. Literally no issues at all since i bought it, and it’s an absolute blast to fire all 15 rounds in rapid succession.
Do you still like it? I'm thinking about buying a ksg 12
I own a DP-12 and I also get the light primer strike but just the left barrel.
Thanks for the new post. Now I see they still didn't work the glitch out since 2016 when he made the video. I was thinking about that. Thank you.
About the miss fire with the double to the torso, I replayed the video quite a few times and each time after the first trigger pull during the malfunction it sounds like you're trying to rack at the same time while pulling the trigger. As you said, there is a Confusion to the brain as to pull the trigger or rack. If you had a second camera setup during that video you could have watched from the side. Just opinion from what I heard.
All that big $$$ for the dp and what do ya get? miss fire. Looks like I'm going with the ksg.
Love my KSG
Finally!! an informative review that offers both honest pros and cons. Unlike a lot of the "I don't like it so you shouldn't like it either" reviews... I really appreciate you just giving the facts and leaving the choice up to the viewer. I feel like the DP-12 is definitely a more robust gun but the KSG is more compact and I like that you can select between two different types of rounds if you want. Thanks for the review.
anyone else think that maybe from the 23:35 time mark onwards throughout the video that he is standing in front of a greenscreen? hmm..
hahahaha I'll take that as a compliment....4k footage baby...its ok to be confused.
The lighting on yourself had me confused, anyways, outstanding video my friend
Tyler Treski I agree the focus in the background is so funny and the outline is sharp. If you pause it you can see the light is coming from behind him. Great quality
I own and run a ksg. With practice, you can get the hang of reaching back with the thumb on your fire hand. It is a bit uncomfortable, but it's a game changer.
man its like watching captain america tellin me how to choose a gun!
A place called Hitec has a lot of great upgrades for the KSG. They have a longer tube selector so no need to change your grip to switch tubes
Great review. Never fired the DP12, I own a KSG. Love it. I like being able to put buck in one mag and slug in the other. The weight is also a big factor between the two. Ensuring that I fully pumped it each time was the hardest thing to train. No short stroking. It will not feed if you do. When you are looking at 1400+ or 800+ and need a red dot or any other additions, the KSG is the best way to go. Plus the extra 600 gets you a lot of buck and slugs ;)
Every video I always see the dp12 fuckin up . I’m starting to think it’s trashy
I'll stick with my 870 haha great vid
Oh my god two giant ass suppressors on the DP-12? That would've been so fuckin awesome, shame it won't work!
nice video.. Ur good at what you do.... keep it up!
Thank you....appreciate the support.
Ksg is more reliable so yea, ksg 1, dp 0
Price ksg is way cheaper, ksg 2, dp 0
KSG is just better
You didn't say anything about overall recoil on both guns. I think the DP12 would do better in than the KSG in that category. I have never seen a KSG sell for less than a grand these days.
I'm seeing one in the local shop brand new at 812. Background check and Florida taxes included.
700 where i am
I just bought my ksg yesterday, almost 3 years later from this post. I paid 850 out the door. Pennsylvania
I thought that was a great review. Good video quality and lighting when it was obviously getting darker. We could tell that you've been shooting a shotgun all day. Lol. Thanks for the review👍🏻
great stuff as always
Thank you!
+GY6vids I love your videos and may I ask "have you ever played airsoft or paintball"?
I was going to get a dp-12 but changed my mind and got a ati bulldog bullpup and love it way more with no problems
Damn, he powdered that pidgeon. Slow-mo really added to this.
KSG would be my choice. Albiet with a wristband!
The slow motion at 13:24 was bad ass. I want a video of myself like that 💪
Thank you!
The KSG is the way to go. As far as “ stickiness “ I don’t think that’ll be an issue because I don’t see a need to dump all the rounds that fast in real life situation. Most defensive situations I’ll be 2-3 rounds at a time. It’s speed causing most issues with both of these guns. You can order a selector switch for the KSG that uses your wrist to select magazine tube so you never need to change your grip. The weight can be an issue so the KSG is the clear winner there, in the video you hold the KSG with one hand using the forward grip at a weird angle without any issue showing how light it is.
I feel that its never mentioned that they're out of the box "new", they will have "stickiness". Give it time and maintain it, it should all work itself out. I agree with you with the KSG.
Been using a Gen 2 KSG for about a year now, no problems to speak of. For whatever reason the shells don't seem to hit my wrist, maybe this depends on shooting style and arm length?
I've never held a DP-12, but just looking at the thing I can't help but think "Who the hell thought that was a good idea?" The thing weighs so much it's not even remotely considerable for real world use, and the accuracy issue with having two barrels basically means using slugs is impossible. I didn't even know the field strip was so @#$%ed up until I saw this, but good lord how are people even remotely excited about that gun? Not to mention the price... If people want a fast shotgun they ought to buy a semi-auto. Besides the important stuff, I think it looks worse than Clinton's health.
Good video and good observations.
Angry Owl I think the dp12 is more of a "badass" novelty firearm more than a truly practical defense gun. on a side note, have you by chance tried Aguila minishells in your ksg
I haven't had a chance to do that yet, I've been pretty caught up with school and camping/testing my AR build so the KSG hasn't been getting a lot of use for a bit.
TL;Dr of the video:
KSG pros and cons vs DP-12:
-Much lighter
-One barrel so better accuracy at range
-Selector switch to load two different rounds (but can be a con, see below)
-Cheaper! Which is really pretty huge for a lot of us, as if two things are about as good but ones is 30% less money, well...
-Easier to clean/strip
Cons:
-Ejected shells can hit wrist, like he showed
-Can get sticky and result in failure to load shells; overall less robust action
-Ejector switch must be toggled after one tube is empty (which would be hard to remember in a combat situation) or could even be switched accidentally
-Only loads one round per pump, so shoots at about half the speed of the DP-12 (all things being equal)
-One less round
-More recoil than DB-12
-Less badass; I admit the KSG is a ridiculous cool and gorgeous shotgun, but the DP-12 is even cooler as far as pure novelty/wow factor as it's double barrel and looks like it's from Terminator 7.
Just writing this it's hard for me to determine which features I care about more.
In the end I think I agree that I prefer the KSG dollar to dollar, but as to which I want more, I'm still unsure.
Spoken like someone that doesn't know what the they're talking about. "I've never held a DP-12, but the thing is way too heavy to even remotely consider" is a dumbass opinion. I've handled both, shot both, and bought the one that performed better. The DP-12 is a FAR better close quarters weapon, and the LOP is actually built for a man. Maybe you should just get to a gym.
Right because getting pelted by shells and having to switch between the loading tubes is no legitimate downside in a "combat scenario." I don't really think you thought out your comment at all. And incase you're not aware, he did a new vid explaining that the dp-12 made an improvement on the slide making it all metal-on-metal improving the alidse function considerably. Making it superior to the KSG. KSG wont even produce a company-made shell deflector for THEIR GUN. 100% stupid.
I would appreciate it if you could review the Hatsan Escort Bull Tac…
I don't see good old traditional pump going anywhere soon.
Peep the FN SLP Mk1
MAYH3M0NE I wonder why they didn't make DP12 a semi auto, this SLP is badass.
+J88go It still has its issues but I would put the SLP near the top of the list of shotguns. The only shotguns that top it would be your higher end Benelli's or an AA 12, but civies can't get the latter.
Fiz uma igualzinha de carbono. 6horas de piche fervendo com violeta.
Great video! Great shotguns! Love the DP12. 50% heavier? I say 100% more firepower. It's an awesome system.
I have a ksg 1st gen. I took it out of the box an check the bore to make sure it was clear then fired two rounds thur it an then put it in the safe for 2 years. I finally took it out an wanted to pattern it. Fired five rounds 2 3/4 Oo buck. Had some light primer strikes an failure to fire. Then shot a round of trap with the 2 3/4 target loads an had fun but again lots of lite primer strikes an failure to fire. Field stripped an noticed a lot of sticky cosmeline type crap on the bolt an bolt carrier. Cleaned all off with WD40 went back to the range an fired six 2 3/4 target loads an three 3 inch number 2 shot...no malfunctions. I'm guessing a lot of folks must have experienced this same problem. I did notice the 3 inch shells chambered easier than the 2 3/4's probably cause that's what the keltec is clambered for...my suggestion is make sure you completely clean any cosmeline off the internal parts an lubricate before shooting.
Fantastic review; very impressed with the thoroughness and honesty. I'm still debating on which to get personally, but this review has shed a lot of light on the pros and cons. I am especially interested in those failure to fires in the DP12, which I primarily wanted more due to it's supposed increased reliability. Thanks for the great video.