I just installed my twin stick kit and your video helped so much! One thing to note, when your checking your shifting pattern at the end you have 4h backwards. Pushing the sticks forward puts the transfer case in low, not hi!
I had a '73 Bronco that had 2w low. Just push transfer case shifter to detent between N and 4w low. Couldn't find any documentation but checked it on lift. Worked great for trailer towing on hills (gently). 2w low, main box 1, 2, 3. Transfer to N main box to 2. Transfer to hi 2w. No prob
You can actually start it in the fork then put your synchro on and put it up in there. You have to work the shaft around to get the synchro collar on but it works. Then I used a piece of wire don thru the roll pin to find the hole in the rail.worked great, at least on the Ford version.
So very dumb question, but can you use this as just a high/low range gearbox without using it for 4x4? Wanting to do a 2wd project where I can use high and low range for torque multiplication without swapping out gear sets.
This might but a dumb question but when you do the twin stick can you then use 2low on the road or is it still limited to speed you can go like when using 4 low only reason why I’m asking is I’m still waiting on my back ordered 5:13 gears and my truck drives and performs better when in 2 low but I’m scared of doing damage if I run it like that I’m on 42s and when testing it out on back roads it drives like a normal truck in the 2 low position very sluggish and low on power when In 2hi
can u put the case in front end low range/ with no power to rear wheels? to FRONT DIG out of a situation where the front end of the vehicle has slid downhill and is impact say a tree. just engage front drive shaft and countersteer the hill to become straight again. this is capable of that correct?? thanks
ok so im converting my 88 gmc suburban from the 700r4 to an sm465 and np205 transfer case, kinda liking the twin stick idea to be able to have just rear instead of full time 4wheel drive without having to lock or unlock the hubs....do you have to mod the shift shaft? the setup i have is a hand-me-down set but they do switch individually just fine....just curious
I hope you see my question...I bought a jeep with the NP205 installed (well sort-of lol had to fabricate the mount) and the shifter kit was not installed and in a bucket minus the rubber boots. My question is how can I tell if the steel shifter shaft modification was done already by the previous owner? I bought the jeep as a project from a younger guy and he didn't tell me much about the trans. I got the two shifter sticks loose and the two rod-end bolts were already slipped over the two shafts. Your help would be great...so I can find out if I need to do the grinding on the shaft or not. Also, will the twin sticks work if that shaft modification was not done? I can pull/push on the two shafts easily and they do change the gears. I just found your vid too thanks and will subscribe. I am not a good mechanic (good fabricator and body man) so I don't know if I would have the confidence in doing the shaft modification because I don't know what's inside the gearbox, what position etc etc..... marty
Excellent question! The widening of the detents on the shift rail allows for independent operation of each shifter, therefore, if your shifters operate independently and properly then I'd say you are good to go without further labor. Thank you so much for watching and the great question! I should be able to help if you have more questions, otherwise John at JB Custom Fabrication (who designed my twin stick) is an excellent resource! Tell him I said Hi :) Have a blast with your Jeep! God bless!
Chris Noble a divorced transfer case is one that is separated from the transmission and driven by a short drive shaft as opposed to being directly connected to the transmission. I know Ford did it on some models and possibly Dodge did too. Good question, God bless!
One reason they may opt for divorced is to partially center the transfer case make drive shaft lengths more equal and to even out angles saves going to double cardin joints etc. Mainly aimed at longer taller vehicles. The f250 4x4 generally had them. Cheers for the video from Australia.
What's the difference between this type of twin stick and the old Mack twin stick? Does this type still have a high and low in every gear? And can you twin stick shift these like the old Macks?
Great question! It is not like the Mack Twin Stick at all. There is no shifting on the fly with an NP205 Transfer Case. This setup is only for shifting in and out of front ranges high, low, neutral- and rear ranges high, low, neutral. It will not give the capability of multiplying your transmission ranges on the fly. I hope this helps and thank you much for watching and commenting! God Bless!!
When I pushed the roll pin through I couldn't find it in the case. Also when you said to keep the hole in place with a t handle or something like it. Mine had already gone back towards the back of the case and I can not get it to move back. Any suggestions there? Do you think the roll pin didn't come all the way out and now it won't slide forward? Thoughts?
Yes, it does sound like the roll pin did not come all the way out. I'll have to rack my brain to think of why you cant get it to "slide forward" though. It's been a while since I've been in this thing! You might reach out to Jon at JB Custom Fab. Jonb@jbfab.net who built the awesome twin stick setup, he's an awesome guy with tons of knowledge! Thank you for the great question, sorry I'm not able to help out more at the moment, God bless!
Your videos are awesome man, can you make a video goin through all the stuff you've done to your truck. I have a 1984 3/4 with a 4 inch lift on 35's that I have built from the frame up
I installed the twin sticks from jb customs tonight and when I attached the adapter to the transfer case and tightened the bolts up to caused my outputs to lock up and not be able to move any idea what would cause this. I took it off and left the bolts loose and it worked fine until I tightened the bolts back up.
Great question! It sounds like you've got something binding up. I would just have to use process of elimination to determine where your hang up is. I'm not sure what you're referring to as the"adaptor". Is this on a GM setup NP205? Thank you so much for watching and commenting! God bless!
GebBuilt its on the GM Np205. What I'm calling the adapter it the coupling that the shifter arms attach to. As I'm tightening the bolts up on the race track adapter its causing the outputs to bind up there is nothing that I can see that is causing the binding.
GebBuilt yes I'm going to see if pulling out one bolt at a time will fixes the binding issue or if it is multiple bolts that are too long. When they were all loose it didn't bind
nice video very explanatory going to use in one of our trucks currently were are starting our doubler setup with triple stick hopefully turns out ok like this.
Great question! Ive found that most auto parts stores have an assortment of freeze plugs to choose from, if they don’t then I’d check with a farm supply store. Hope that helps, God bless!
Awesome video! It looks as though you could put the rear in N and engage the front only in H or L ? Either way thanks for taking the time to film a very informative video
Good question! I went strictly by JB Custom Fabrication's instructions in the kit- It needed to be trimmed off to allow free operation of the new shift linkages. Thank you for watching and commenting and God bless!
Awesome tutorial. I was just looking for a video on how to replace all the seals and found this video and just had to do it. I completed the install last night. Just have to find the transfer case adapter seals. Also. That screw trick with the roll pins was a huge help. Thanks a lot!
So cool! I’m glad you enjoyed and my vid could help out! I’d head to Novak Conversions on the web for those seals. Have a blast with your project! Thank you for watching and commenting, God bless!
Good question! If you're not dealing with the stock configuration on any given vehicle then one could run into many different snags. What is your vehicle setup?
@@GebBuilt Nope JB thinks its the interlock and said I should try pulling the other rail first. I can get it out and see 3 notches and it gets stuck right there.
Looks like it’s still around $165 on the JB Custom Fabrications site! They are great to work with and their setups are top notch! Excellent question and thank you for watching, God bless!
I'm not sure the point? why go through all that work? can you separate front and rear wheel drive, for a situation where your rear end goes out you can limp home in front wheel.drive? I'm not trying to be a troll... can someone explain?
I just installed my twin stick kit and your video helped so much! One thing to note, when your checking your shifting pattern at the end you have 4h backwards. Pushing the sticks forward puts the transfer case in low, not hi!
Bill Arrow oh oops! Thank you for letting me know! God bless😊
Welcome! It confused me - I thought it installed wrong or something
Yes thank you for pointing it out! Sometimes I try to walk through doors without opening them first too🤣. God bless!
Put a piece of brake line on your roll pin punch. Then put grease and the roll pin in the tube.
This is what I was taught how to do it
Awseome tip!
I had a '73 Bronco that had 2w low. Just push transfer case shifter to detent between N and 4w low.
Couldn't find any documentation but checked it on lift.
Worked great for trailer towing on hills (gently).
2w low, main box 1, 2, 3.
Transfer to N main box to 2.
Transfer to hi 2w.
No prob
Really like the video! Looking forward to putting JB’s kit on my 205
That roll pin is something else. The way I came up with doing it was to use electrical tape and tape that pin onto the end of the punch. Worked great.
Yep good idea. Thanks for watching and commenting! God bless!
You can actually start it in the fork then put your synchro on and put it up in there. You have to work the shaft around to get the synchro collar on but it works. Then I used a piece of wire don thru the roll pin to find the hole in the rail.worked great, at least on the Ford version.
If you put the rear in neutral if done correctly you can control just front as well and leave then rear in neutral
Yes indeed!
I assume you can do front digs with this?
So very dumb question, but can you use this as just a high/low range gearbox without using it for 4x4? Wanting to do a 2wd project where I can use high and low range for torque multiplication without swapping out gear sets.
Anything is possible with an imagination and a welder.
Question. What's the is the reason for a twin stick transfer case?
just found ur channel and only watched two videos in reguards to the np 205....u sir got a new sub thanks for the info
That's great! Thank you and God bless!
Any fitment or adjustment questions feel free to contact us we stand behind our US made products.
Most Definitely! Such awesome products built tough and functional! God bless!
Do you offer a adapter plate to run something like this behind a getrag g360? In a 91 d350 cummins
Will twinstick work on divorced tx
Contact JB Custom fab - they have it all!
This might but a dumb question but when you do the twin stick can you then use 2low on the road or is it still limited to speed you can go like when using 4 low only reason why I’m asking is I’m still waiting on my back ordered 5:13 gears and my truck drives and performs better when in 2 low but I’m scared of doing damage if I run it like that I’m on 42s and when testing it out on back roads it drives like a normal truck in the 2 low position very sluggish and low on power when In 2hi
I would really like this setup on my K10 but it looks a little too involved for me
Just got mine in the mail for my 71 suburban, good vid man.
Did you do it yet? I’d really like to but it’s a little more involved than I thought it would be
can u put the case in front end low range/ with no power to rear wheels? to FRONT DIG out of a situation where the front end of the vehicle has slid downhill and is impact say a tree. just engage front drive shaft and countersteer the hill to become straight again. this is capable of that correct?? thanks
Yes with this setup you can engage the front and disengage the rear and vise versa! Thank you for the question! God Bless!!
Can you lock just the front axle in and have the rear in neutral? Per say like a front dig situation
kameryn kranski Yes you Can!!
That is pretty slick set up kit might put one on mine
ok so im converting my 88 gmc suburban from the 700r4 to an sm465 and np205 transfer case, kinda liking the twin stick idea to be able to have just rear instead of full time 4wheel drive without having to lock or unlock the hubs....do you have to mod the shift shaft? the setup i have is a hand-me-down set but they do switch individually just fine....just curious
Great question, yes the shaft detents are modified per kit instructions to allow separate operation. Thank you for watching and commenting, God bless!
I hope you see my question...I bought a jeep with the NP205 installed (well sort-of lol had to fabricate the mount) and the shifter kit was not installed and in a bucket minus the rubber boots. My question is how can I tell if the steel shifter shaft modification was done already by the previous owner? I bought the jeep as a project from a younger guy and he didn't tell me much about the trans. I got the two shifter sticks loose and the two rod-end bolts were already slipped over the two shafts. Your help would be great...so I can find out if I need to do the grinding on the shaft or not. Also, will the twin sticks work if that shaft modification was not done? I can pull/push on the two shafts easily and they do change the gears.
I just found your vid too thanks and will subscribe. I am not a good mechanic (good fabricator and body man) so I don't know if I would have the confidence in doing the shaft modification because I don't know what's inside the gearbox, what position etc etc.....
marty
Excellent question! The widening of the detents on the shift rail allows for independent operation of each shifter, therefore, if your shifters operate independently and properly then I'd say you are good to go without further labor. Thank you so much for watching and the great question! I should be able to help if you have more questions, otherwise John at JB Custom Fabrication (who designed my twin stick) is an excellent resource! Tell him I said Hi :) Have a blast with your Jeep! God bless!
Wow thank you so much for answering so quickly and being so kind. I wish i met more people like you....God bless you too.
peace
Any time! Take care
Dumb question I'm looking at Doing this same thing but what's the deal with divorce or what not any help would be greatly appreciated
Chris Noble a divorced transfer case is one that is separated from the transmission and driven by a short drive shaft as opposed to being directly connected to the transmission. I know Ford did it on some models and possibly Dodge did too. Good question, God bless!
One reason they may opt for divorced is to partially center the transfer case make drive shaft lengths more equal and to even out angles saves going to double cardin joints etc.
Mainly aimed at longer taller vehicles.
The f250 4x4 generally had them.
Cheers for the video from Australia.
asd asd you’re right, thank you for the input from Australia! God bless!
What's the difference between this type of twin stick and the old Mack twin stick? Does this type still have a high and low in every gear? And can you twin stick shift these like the old Macks?
Great question! It is not like the Mack Twin Stick at all. There is no shifting on the fly with an NP205 Transfer Case. This setup is only for shifting in and out of front ranges high, low, neutral- and rear ranges high, low, neutral. It will not give the capability of multiplying your transmission ranges on the fly. I hope this helps and thank you much for watching and commenting! God Bless!!
Thanks for the help
Any time!
When I pushed the roll pin through I couldn't find it in the case. Also when you said to keep the hole in place with a t handle or something like it. Mine had already gone back towards the back of the case and I can not get it to move back. Any suggestions there? Do you think the roll pin didn't come all the way out and now it won't slide forward? Thoughts?
Yes, it does sound like the roll pin did not come all the way out. I'll have to rack my brain to think of why you cant get it to "slide forward" though. It's been a while since I've been in this thing! You might reach out to Jon at JB Custom Fab. Jonb@jbfab.net who built the awesome twin stick setup, he's an awesome guy with tons of knowledge! Thank you for the great question, sorry I'm not able to help out more at the moment, God bless!
It's tight on the shifts because you have the detent too tight back it out just a touch.
Your videos are awesome man, can you make a video goin through all the stuff you've done to your truck. I have a 1984 3/4 with a 4 inch lift on 35's that I have built from the frame up
Yes I'd love to show off my truck!! Stay tuned I'll go over everything I've done and plan to do!! Thanks man!
Can you shift it so the rear is in neutral and the front is in 4 low or 4 high?
RedLine Garage yes you can!
I installed the twin sticks from jb customs tonight and when I attached the adapter to the transfer case and tightened the bolts up to caused my outputs to lock up and not be able to move any idea what would cause this. I took it off and left the bolts loose and it worked fine until I tightened the bolts back up.
Great question! It sounds like you've got something binding up. I would just have to use process of elimination to determine where your hang up is. I'm not sure what you're referring to as the"adaptor". Is this on a GM setup NP205? Thank you so much for watching and commenting! God bless!
GebBuilt its on the GM Np205. What I'm calling the adapter it the coupling that the shifter arms attach to. As I'm tightening the bolts up on the race track adapter its causing the outputs to bind up there is nothing that I can see that is causing the binding.
When you tighten the bolts/lock nuts do the ball joints(/heim ends) stop rotating causing the bind? If you back those nuts off a bit will it free up?
GebBuilt yes I'm going to see if pulling out one bolt at a time will fixes the binding issue or if it is multiple bolts that are too long. When they were all loose it didn't bind
May need to shim the bolt head away from the ball a bit with a small washer...?
nice video very explanatory going to use in one of our trucks currently were are starting our doubler setup with triple stick hopefully turns out ok like this.
+breelynn2689 Awesome! thanks for watching God bless!
Where do you get the replacement freeze plugs?
Great question! Ive found that most auto parts stores have an assortment of freeze plugs to choose from, if they don’t then I’d check with a farm supply store. Hope that helps, God bless!
GebBuilt thank you I'll check it out!
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU KNOW IF THIS STICK SET UP WILL ALLOW JUST FRONT WHEEL DRIVE OR IF I NEED TO GET A REAR DISCONNECT. ANY HELP WOULD BE AWSOME.
Kevin Raymond It will allow separate front wheel drive. Thanks for watching!
THATS GREAT THANKS FOR THE QUICK RESPONSE. WILL KEEP WATCHING GOOD LUCK ON YOUR CHEVY.
Awesome video! It looks as though you could put the rear in N and engage the front only in H or L ? Either way thanks for taking the time to film a very informative video
Yes you can use the twin stick that way! Thank you for watching and commenting! I'm glad my vids can help
Love your videos. God bless you for sharing all the great info. I feel guilty for not paying! :)
Haha! thank you for the kind words, I am so glad my vids can help at no charge! God bless you as well!
So why did the one shifter need cutting off? I just didn't get that part of this
Good question! I went strictly by JB Custom Fabrication's instructions in the kit- It needed to be trimmed off to allow free operation of the new shift linkages. Thank you for watching and commenting and God bless!
I imagine without cutting it you wouldn’t have access to 2 low in RWD
When's the next video coming out? Been anxiously waiting for the next update
Soon after Christmas I will be rebuilding my SM465 tranny so stay tuned for that series! Thanks for watching! God Bless!!
Awsome video. I will be ordering my kit
nice how to i just did one for the dubbler for the 203/205 this vid works well with it just fyi and thanks for this vid.
Awesome! thank you!
Great video. Will you be posting up a vid of the rebuild?
Yep! Hopefully in the next couple of weeks!!
Awesome tutorial. I was just looking for a video on how to replace all the seals and found this video and just had to do it. I completed the install last night. Just have to find the transfer case adapter seals. Also. That screw trick with the roll pins was a huge help. Thanks a lot!
So cool! I’m glad you enjoyed and my vid could help out! I’d head to Novak Conversions on the web for those seals. Have a blast with your project! Thank you for watching and commenting, God bless!
Update. Transfer case is in but I had to remove the bench seat due to clearance issues. Did I do something wrong?
Good question! If you're not dealing with the stock configuration on any given vehicle then one could run into many different snags. What is your vehicle setup?
It’s a 1972 chevy k10
350 engine and a th350 transmission
I cant seem to get my shift rail out.
My shift rail comes mostly out the gets caught and it sounds metallic like something is holding it back.
I suppose they could get stubborn coming out of the bore. Have you had any luck yet?
Maybe a burr?
@@GebBuilt Nope JB thinks its the interlock and said I should try pulling the other rail first. I can get it out and see 3 notches and it gets stuck right there.
Sorry, I'm having a hard time understanding why you're having difficulty if the directions were followed and nothing is broken inside.
excellent straight forward explaining awesome
I’m glad you enjoyed! Thank you for letting me know, God bless!
I’m glad you enjoyed! Thank you for letting me know, God bless!
be really nice if it'd work with 203/205 doubler for an extra low range...great videos...
Yes sir, thank you!
It does
@@dylanscooters52 Was meaning not just the combined 203/205 but also a third...Have a great day...
Nice to unlock to frontend an get some better gas mileage, I'm doing that to mine big time ,..🍕🍺😎✌🇺🇸
Adam Forman awesome! Thank you for watching and commenting, God bless!
.Nice ..Now how much is this kit? thanks
Looks like it’s still around $165 on the JB Custom Fabrications site! They are great to work with and their setups are top notch! Excellent question and thank you for watching, God bless!
+GebBuilt .thanks
Any time!
You put your bracket on backwards
I'm not sure the point? why go through all that work? can you separate front and rear wheel drive, for a situation where your rear end goes out you can limp home in front wheel.drive?
I'm not trying to be a troll... can someone explain?
duh... just read some comments. I get it. I like it! I think I'll do this in my 70 K20 suburban.
Haha God bless brother!
Another Great video from you, Thanks
Thank you! God Bless!
Awesome video. Thanks for upload
No Problem! more to come!
great video, thanks for the help
I'm glad you enjoyed! Thank you for watching, God bless!
Great video, explains it well.
Thank you much! Awesome product!!
Nice Coat man, I love the Detroit Diesel patch, Im a Detroit fanatic haha
Thanks me too! Grew up with a 453 in an Oliver tractor then worked on several in Air Force crash fire vehicles. Thanks for commenting and God Bless!!
Great How-To! Subbed and will check out your SM465 rebuild as well!
That's great, thank you so much! God bless!
Awesome