Had the same idea! The peaks have a perpendicularity after all, so of all the red haired people, they're probably the most likely to end up being stranded somewhere in Shadesmar.
@@marigold5546 yes. MBE2 takes place within the time-skip between SAE1 and SAE2. That gap is about 15 (Roshar) years. So it can be assumed that the end of SA5 has long happened by the time MeLaan's epilogue is happening.
Codenames is explicitly named as Kaise, who is Kiin's daughter in Elantris (Sarene's cousin). And is supposed to be a main character in an Elantris sequel. I am fairly sure that The Lost Metal is going to have driven Brandon to write the Elantris sequels.
Oh wow, great catch. Even though Elantris is probably my least favorite Cosmere book (I still like it), I'm super excited for the sequel. Not only will Brandon be returning to Sel as a more competent writer, but I'm also really curious about where he'll go with the plot. Elantrians are practically gods again so I wonder if the conflict will be internal or if it will be against the weird storm thing in the cognitive realm on Sel.
@@kaladongstormguy I think that Brandon wrote The Lost Metal with the clear knowledge that he was going to write the Elantris sequels with Mistborn Era 3. And I don’t think he can avoid it now. At least from what he said in the past, Kaise was supposed to be a main character in at least one sequel. And I think by introducing her as a Ghostblood, he’s making a promise that we’re going to see her path there (and likely Shai’s as well)
Ahh Kaise! I remember him saying she was going to be a focus in the sequel. It'll be interesting to see which books we get between now, SA 5 and era 3.
I am fairly sure we saw Skybreakers too! When the Ghostbloods were sent to help Steris sink the fleet in the harbour - one of them double checked to make sure it was legal before flying up and away to sink the ships. Steris presumed they were allomancers but I’m sure at least one was a Skybreaker. It seems too deliberate as a single line of dialogue.
Skybreakers would also make a little more logistical sense as to sinking the ships. We haven't totally seen what Skybreakers' powers can do, however there are several places where the destructive abilities of the Dustbringers are mentioned, and Skybreakers are at the intersection of the Windrunners and Dustbringers.
i didnt even think of that, a skybreaker sworn to the ghostbloods for their third ideal makes a ton of sense. also the surge of division would be super helpful to sink a big cargo ship
Agreed. With Gravitation to help bring the ships down against buoyancy, they could use Division as well to open holes in the sides of the ships in theory.
The marewill flower being the ghostblood symbol really got me. Especially since the dragonsteel con had marewill flower pins for sale and so many people had them on their lanyard... so many people were walking around the con with the ghostblood symbol and they didn't even know it!!
It's funny because that flower was on the new cover for Secret History but I still never connected it to the triangles...even though I knew Kelsier was head of the Ghostbloods lol
I loved the different portrayal of the Ghostbloods. I think they are more ruthless on Roschar because it’s not their home planet. Roschar is just a resource but the goal is to protect Scadriel. I loved how subtle this was conveyed.
@@Bookborn granted there was a lot in the book and I need to do a reread but I think I remember a line with Kelsier saying he doesn't like how they're handling Roshar
Plus you see how extreme Iiatyl's brother appears to be and she is similar. Plus Kel is there to reign him in but she is on another planet that he can't even get to. It seems like they're allowed to do their own thing as long as it follows the rules and is working towards gaining access to all that investiture of the High Storms.
Re: The Ghostbloods Kell in his epilogue looks up and sees every other star as a threat. I'd assume that he's treating the people of Roshar the way he is because he wants to exploit them for the betterment of Scadrial. We saw what pure, unkeyed Investiture (read: THE EXACT THING THEYRE TRYING TO EXTRACT FROM ROSHAR) can accomplish in this book. He (rightfully) sees the Rosharans and Radiants as a threat to him and his, so his hostilities there make sense imo.
That’s a really good theory. I also saw a theory that maybe Mraize is more out of control and he’s the reason it’s sketchier, not kelsier… another interesting theory
@@animeproblem1070 I think Kelsier has a complex and doesn't like most of the gods I'm sure (Sazed probably only gets a pass because he knew him previously...)
This is actually the second time we’ve seen and Aether in the books. Mraize had an Aether in his possession in his place in Sebarial’s camp. It was the pink crystal in a box that seemed to always be flaking. I’m super interested in Aethers as they need water to be used (like Sand Mastery), requires a bond (like a Spren although I think Brandon said that multiple people can bond an Aether), and may have inspired the appearance of Cultivationspren (Aethers are apparently older than the Shattering so maybe Cultivation knew about them and it influenced their appearance).
For Aethers' name, it appears Brandon chose Indian/Hindu names as base (like he chose French names as base for Scadrian names). Shri Prasanva is very close to Prasanna (meaning happy/content). Silajana sounds very close to Shila Jana, which if translated directly (from Sanskrit), means Stone People (Shila-Stone, Jana-People)
In the speech that was streamed at the end of the recent convention he had mentioned bringing in an expert in that area for consultation on background lore for this book. The transformation in the tunnels was one of my highlights from the book.
Omg the biggest thing that tipped me off when hearing the audiobook was Michael’s AMAZING pronunciation of Vishwadhar, which is an actual Sanskrit word 😭
I was also super curious about Shai’s comments/interactions with Hoid. I sorta assumed he and the ghostbloods wouldn’t be overly friendly, but she seemed sorta fine with him. It was also weird to have someone just straight up know who he IS. Also I definitely think/hope that Marasi joins the 17th shard or some other interplanetary organization. I think she could do a lot of good in the grand scheme of things if she had a team that was less . . . morally grey? than the Ghostbloods
I’ll admit I was super bummed that she didn’t join the ghostbloods because I agree; she’d be awesome as a world hopper / big Cosmere player. Hopefully 17th shard!
I was under the impression that the red-haired people MeLaan met at the end are almost certainly Horneaters, and that she’s come through Cultivation’s Perpendicularity in the Horneater Peaks.
I think that the reason Hoid is working so hard to protect Wax might have to do with the letters between him and Harmony in the epigraphs of Oathrbinger and Rhythm of War (which were presumably written around the same time as the books, and therefore before Era 2). Out of all the Shards and other people/dragons that Hoid contacts, Harmony seems to be the only one sympathetic to his cause and willing to work with him in some way (probably because he wasn't one of the original Shards). We don't know exactly how closely they are working with each other, but Harmony does indirectly mention Wax in one of the letters so I don't think it's unreasonable that Hoid wants to keep Wax alive as part of whatever him and Harmony are working on
This was such a cool overview! Thank you! A couple of thoughts: 1. Wit mentioned Adonalsium, by name, to Dalinar in Words of Radiance, not sure if there are other instances, there might be one in an epigraph in one of the other SA books. 2. I think a lot of the time we conflate Mraize's and Iyatil's actions/motivations/etc (ie Rosharen Ghostblood) with _Kelsier_ himself. I've never found Kelsier to be particularly "villainous". I mean I can see why Brandon said that in any other story he would be the bad guy... but I haven't seen him be truly _villainous_. The only time we've actually seen him in Roshar (not saying where, because spoilers, but if you know, you know) he seemed less "bad guy" than "on his side rather than Gavilar's"... and let's be honest... that's a smart move, Gavilar is an idiot. Kelsier has his own version of morality, and I don't agree with all of it, for sure.
Ok I love this theory. Full disclosure, kelsier is my fav character in the Cosmere and thus I’m a huge Kelsier apologist LOL. I never thought about how since Kelsier isn’t actually present on Roshar, ghostbloods are much more in the hands of Mraize and maybe aren’t as in his control..,
@@Bookborn The books also mention that Iyatil actually outranks Mraize and her brother is the one that Kelsier has to reign in so it totally implies that there's problems on Roshar because he can't reign Iyatil in like her brother.
I think something you forgot to mention was the whole Harmony slowly turning into Discord due to the imbalance of Ruin within him. A lot of people have talked about the prophecies that mention someone becoming Discord and his people loving him for it. Wonder if this will lead to him helping with technology and even leading Scadrial into a greater cosmere war.
Oh interesting! What a good theory, I guess I always overlooked the discord thing because I assumed it meant ruin and preservation together - but you’re right, he became harmony. Oohhh I really like this theory
There's also a theory that those prophecies aren't Scadrial specific but more of a cosmere constant with both Dalinar, Vasher, and maybe even Raoden possibly meeting the criteria. You have to remember we haven't seen the prophecy in it's original form.
@@Bookborn I like the theory that Discord IS the new Shard of Preservation and Ruin but Sazed misinterpreted the new Intention and named it Harmony and this is why he has slowly been changing. He was always supposed to be Discord but the act of fighting against this causes his problems. I think I explained it right, it's a fun theory but im not sure how much sense it really makes.
I love thinking about how people would interact. I'm sure Wax and Kaladin would mostly get along, maybe after a little bit of a rought start. Wayne and Lopen would be absolutely UNBEARABLE.
@@Bookborn I actually had the thought halfway through the book that if Wayne and Lift ever met each other, there might not be any planets left standing afterward
Loved how differently the Ghostbloods were portrayed in this book vs Stormlight. I do think it primarily goes back to the "protect Scadrial" tenet of the org. In a way, I think Kelsier has expanded his Skaa vs. Nobles mentality to a Scadrial/Ghostbloods vs. the rest of the Cosmere one. They can be a force of heroism and hope... if you are on the right side. I think the Rosharian branch of the Ghostbloods being so much more sinister and ruthless in general is a deliberate choice on his part. I can see him subtlety encouraging it through non-intervention when it comes to Mraize and Iyatil's running amok. Despite him not being able to physically travel there, Kelsier just doesn't seem like the type of leader to lose control like that.
Well, I finished The Lost Metal yesterday, it was so full of Cosmere, that's great. I would think that Hoid is trying to ally himself with Harmony, as Harmony was the only one responding somewhat positively in his letters (SA) to the threat of Odium. So it seams that Hoid is trying to make sure that Harmony survives long enough and collects enough power to face the future. I've missed Shai, and Codenames being from Sel. Mainly because I've forgoten Shai names, yet I thought for a momet it might be her when it was disclosed she can do Forgery - but I've dismissed it. I'm bad with remembering names :( Mara flower being Ghostbloods symbol was something theorized on 17th Shard forum so I was sure that's it. Nice to see confirmation about it. And so many new things about magic! I'm particular excited about Awakened safe (as it's my favourite magic system, more of it please) and Shai-Elantiran abilities, as she drew an "Aon-Elendel" on ground, that works like city of Elantris with Connection, and grants her abilities to use AonDor with full power. So many new possibilities. And Aether - most information about them was from Brandon's words, and it was mention in SA (Mraize had something Aether related), so it's good to see what it can do. I'm also think that the differences between Ghostbloods on Scadrian and on Roshar are very important, and make sense when Kel is talking to Sazed at the end. He sees every other world as a threat to Scadrial, and what's the best way to make sure others are not a threat? Conquer them. That's why he pushes Sazed to help with technology and space travel, and why he treats Roshar as a resources for Scadrial. Kelsier is not that much of an hero as we like to think of him. Marasi was right about Ghostbloods. Kel's inaction and gatekeeping vital information almost lead to destruction of Roshar. Kel puts all blame on Sazed and took credits for helping, when Sazed did more that Kel ,despite his inabilities. Ghostbloods would not even knew end was coming without Marasi forcing them to act, and she was placed in Police by Sazed. Marasi was the reason disaster was averted. Kel should do more, he should trust Sazed and his brother when they have Set as common enemy. If during that 6 year break between books Marasi was informed by Ghostbloods about Set's plans, it would have ended much earlier and safer. Autonomy as a Trell was obvious one, as it was foreshadow from the Alloy of Law - it was always about being independend. But that's not the bad thing to be obvious. Autonomy's army is that they kind of looks similar to Threnody's Shades. So I think they are some sorts of Cognitive Shadows similar to Shades and Fuzed. Strange red hair people? YOU AIRSICK LOWLANDER!! The Lost Metal being Lerasium and not Atium is good move, I predicted it would be one of them (well, there wasn't that much choice). Now that they can make both of them (although Lerasium is very difficult/one time thing) it's a gamechanger. But It's worrisome that Harmony might become Discord. Well about "well" Roshar - Era 2 Mistborn takes place in between SA5 and SA6 and Hoid is on Scadrial so it either means that Roshar is ok for now, or Hoid was "banished" from Roshar. But than it seams like Perpendicularity on Horneaters peeks is not blocked by Fuzed so it might suggest that Roshar is good for now.
I mean I've seen the new secret history cover but I didn't necessarily connect it to the triangles of the Ghostbloods, so maybe I did need it spelled out lol
I love all the Cosmere connections we see in this book. And that we get Kell leading the Ghostbloods and see how different they are on Roshar. He isn't personally overseeing M'Raize and Iyatil so I think they have their own goals/agendas that are not in line with what Kelsier wants. It is awesome that he chose Mare's flower for their symbol. I love little things like Chouta being there. Also, a mention of a group with gold hair that maybe are a branch of the Iriali? And I think the group with red hair at the end must be Horneaters, escaped from Roshar. It is interesting how Hoid has his spren at this point and has been able to leave Roshar
To be fair, I read all of the prereleased chapters a few days before which accounting for 25% of the book. And I'm in the PST time zone so I was able to snag the ebook at 9pm the night before release. SO, I only read about 50% the day it came out 😅 Had to beat the youtube algo lol
I would say Kelsier is Scadriel first. Thats the reasons the Ghostbloods feel like heroes in this story while beeng a more "dangerous" group on other planets since it feels like Kelsier is willing to go way further to protect Scadriel then other planets.
@@Bookborn left a like until not spoiled, thank you! Side thoughts on Amazon for example allowing same venue for package arrival reviews alongside book CONTENT reviews?? It's disheartening and common and awful. Or maybe the unmanned B&N Nook reviews with nonsensical reviews pasted on to starred reviews. Simply detach so fill-ins not needed to submit.
What a fun video! I agree that this whole enterprise is being raised to a higher level with these Coppermind things being now in the main books themselves. I didn’t expect to get so emotionally invested in The Lost Metal!!
Just finished it and I'm overwhelmed! It was so much fun with all the cosmere stuff! I was glad I reread some stuff like elantris before, still didn't catch all of it but the chouta thing was the funniest I'm thinking of a world hopper starting a big franchise on all the planet's. And I also loved the ending of marasis part with burning all the investiture such a nice throwback to Era 1 :)
I reallly need to reread Elantris, it's been the longest since I've read that one and as that magic system is showing up more and more I need a refresh.
1:05 I saw someone propose that he's basically doing Harmony a favor in hopes that Harmony will return the favor back to him afterwards. What that favor might be, I'm not quite sure, but it could definitely be something Odium-related, since we aren't sure of his status at this point in time
I think the Men of Red and Gold might be related to the Iriali. Gold skin and hair, the “human-interest” newspaper publisher seems to reference a group living in Bilming. I think these might be the ones who as an advance force brought Trellium onto the planet in the first place and possibly founded the Set. After reading Marasi and Moonlight’s discussion about Autonomy it resonates with the Iriali’s religion of The One. We know the Iriali are unrelated to the Ashyn Rosharans and are migrating from planet to planet, so its possible they originated from a Bavadin invested shardworld.
@@Bookborn So apparently the Iriali being connected to Autonomy was debunked in a WoB long time ago. Although I still think there are Iriali on Scadrial given the gold hair comment. Another possible connection I'm not seeing anyone else talking about is Aether usage being similar to Sandmastery. Both require a spore like organic component and drain the water of the user. I think this might be the same type of plant or organism being used in different magic systems.
@@obviousalias132 @Bookborn Yeah considering the Chouda reference and the Iriali, I have a feeling even if the dual is won, things on Roshar are in bad shape and the Ghostbloods have been moving Rosharan refugees into Bilming. My current theory is the Nale is going to die an SL5, and Kelsier is going to step into the vacuum co-opting the Skybreakers.
@@redshadow310 Also the redheads seen by MeLaan at the end are possibly Horneaters, so yeah most likely a refugee crisis. I think to many people are jumping to conclusions from the probable Skybreakers with the Ghostbloods. Nale dying is a definite probability that I won't rule out but with his current preoccupation and the refounding of the Knights Radiant it's very reasonable for Skybreakers not aligned with him to start making appearances without him necessarily being dead.
The rediscovery of lerasium has huge consequences! Kelsier wanting to democratize Metalborn powers is also cool! How would that even work? Spiking it out and giving it to those deserving it? It seems Sazed changed things about Hemalurgy as well as Allomancy after his ascension. Sooooooo much magic to go through in this book!
YES, although the Lerasium still seems really hard to get. I thought it was interesting that Sazed lied to Kelsier about that, I meant to bring that up.
I suspect the changes to Hemalurgy are because Sazed has to suppress Ruin to balance it with Preservation and fend off Discord. Ruin was more powerful than Preservation since the latter invested more into humans.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought it was strange how differently the Ghostbloods operate on Scadriel. I was thinking maybe whoever was in charge of a certain area (Mraize in Roshar) may have certain liberties on how they run things because of the sheer distance and different culture. I liked your take on how Kelsier/Ghostbloods are framed differently depending on what point of view you are reading from.
Yeah and I think because Kelsier can't actually travel to Rosher in person might also be affecting his control over the group there and so he might be losing control of it a bit. He's SO much more involved in the Scadriel Ghostbloods.
Yeah and I think because Kelsier can't actually travel to Rosher in person might also be affecting his control over the group there and so he might be losing control of it a bit. He's SO much more involved in the Scadriel Ghostbloods.
@@Bookborn Yep even on Scadriel Kel ad Twinsoul had to rein back Iyatil's brother back in, he seemed the violent sort. And on Roshar Iyatil pretty much has free reign, she's probably similar to her brother.
I was conflicted that I was reading the book and I liked the ghostbloods, since when you read stormlight, you tend to mistrust them. But I think it is all about perspective. In stormlight, their interests aren't fully aligned with the protagonist interest. But here in Lost Metal they are fully aligned. I think their perception will be dependent on the book. So all Mistborn, I expect them to be liked, since their goal is to protect scadrial. But I expect other books we may not like them. I wonder if later cosmere books will be like Kaladin in Oathbringer at the fight in the Kholin palace. He saw friends and both sides and froze because of it. Will we get instances where we have seen and liked both sides of a conflict in a book?
I think everything you've said is a super good possibility. It could also be because Kelsier can't physically be on Roshar and so has lots control of Mraize a little bit.
This was such a fun video. I felt the same way about the Ghost Bloods between the two series. Kind of upset we have to wait on another time jump with some of the unanswered points of Lost Metal story.
Yeah I was surprised how "unresolved" it seemed. It makes me think the time jump between era 2 and era 3 will be much smaller than I originally expected.
on the ghostbloods and kelsier being more heroic in this than in Stormlight, I was curious at this too but I think its all answered by one of the three main tenets of the ghostbloods: protect scadrial. I thought of the ghostbloods as this self-preservation group only out for themselves in Stormlight but I think anything happening on Roshar that is shady is because kelsier doesn’t really give a shit about the planet compared to his home. It’s a really interesting addition and makes a lot of sense in my opinion!
When Shai transformed herself, she turned herself into Shai-I...... A friggen Elantrian soul stamp!!!!!!!!! Because the form is powerful is why it will be hard for her to snap back out of it and be rid of the soul stamp. The only other time we've seen an Elantrian full powered I think was at the End of Elantris.
I'll pop back to watch after reading. I wasn't aware it was out and so haven't read it yet. My memory seems to wax and wa(y)ne as the moon affects the tides.
@@Bookborn I was going to reread but I think your recap would suffice to jog my failing memory (I'm only 50 and may be exaggerating a tad). Many thanks and keep up the good work :)
I can't remember where I heard it but I think Brando Sando mentioned the stories Mistborn Era 2 takes place during the big time skip between Stormlight Book 5 and Book 6. So yes, Roshar is probably still around but I'm worried what kind of shape it will be in.
Ok, I was finally able to finish the book and I really really loved it. Every bit of it. I've always liked Wayne though so that helps. I was crying a lot the last bits. I thought it was so well done! I also love Sazed so much.😭 I just read through everyone's comments and it's all just so cool and interesting. I don't think I need to re-say a bunch of things others have already said. I noticed a lot of the cross-overs but not all of them. A couple things: I was SO EXCITED when Moonlight turned into Shay. I knew it! I was confused for a while why Hoid would be a ghost blood working for Kelsier since I knew he would never do that. I must have misinterpreted Moonlights nod to him in the other delivery truck when they were about to do the sting. Did I miss something here? Looking back I subconsciously knew something was off about how the sky breaker shot into the air, but my mind just immediately wrote off anything but allomancer since we're in Mistborn. Since.... there's no possible way to have anyone outside of Scadrial there. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ I hadn't thought of Wayne's actions at the end being a precursor for space travel- that is really cool! (wait was this comment from your discussion with Merph? I just watched that too, lol) Fantastic video as always! So impressed you are so quick. Sorry I couldn't chime in before now! My life has been insane the last couple weeks, lol.
The red eyes and golden skin makes me think of secret project #4 but idk if they had golden skin in that. Thats also way in the future too story wise so idk if they are even comparable.
Red eyes means a corruption of Investiture. It's also shown in Stormlight Archive. In SP#4, they don't have gold skin, however I could see that world being a thrall of Autonomy. The whole "strongest warrior gets power" detail of the magic seems to fit.
My first connection i made with the people of Gold and Red are the fact that those are Lightsongs colors. Doesn’t make much sense to be connected to this new threat of Autonomy’s soldiers but that was the first thing I thought of since I just re-read Warbreaker haha
Not to spoil too much but the chowdah thing had me befuddled. And based in the snipets we got about the upcoming secret projects, I think Sigzil brought the chowdah to Scadrial.
Btw def aether of the night. Things have changed but yeah with one secret project dealing with them, this, and stormlight refrences its safe to say he has locked in how thier story will go Kaise was nice to see from elantris Its also pretty much confirmed the rosharan ghostbloods were way out of line/ out of control. Also ghostbloods have skybreakers
dude. secret project spoilers! Brandon has worked his ass off to make sure people like me (who want to go in blind) can do so. I get you didn't mean to spoil anything but you need to be careful. FYI though as it was asked in the books the aether is from the unreleased aether of night book. that said almost everything in that book is not cannon. A great read though for such and early work of his.
I read Stormlight Archive before Mistborn Era 2. I pretty much HATED the ghostbloods while reading SA. While reading Mistborn Era 2, my jaw just straight up dropped when I realised Kelsier was the leader of said group. 100% they're more sinister there. I kept wondering HOW those members work under him. Especially cause this is BEFORE Era 2 so you'd expect he's in full command of them the way he is presented to be in Lost Metal. I just assumed he wasn't in control because he wasn't on the planet. But now that you've pointed it out, if it does turn out to be as an expression for how he's villainous depending on the story ..... that'll actually be so cool.
I might be wrong but didn't the Ghostbloods say Roshar wasn't safe to travel to? Combining that with Me'Laan's epilogue where she seems to meet up with HornEater refugees tells me Roshar is not okay.
Yeah it just has to at least still exist I think 🤔 I was legit thinking roshar might be destroyed but you’re right - a lot can be in between there that could mean essentially the same thing.
Full mistborns are back now ….. wax is the first one in hundereds of years and they know how to make the metal now . I thought that was pretty cool …… And another planet ….Mythos ? Maybe it was mentioned and i just don’t remember. Harmony lies to Keliser and says that he can’t make the Metal … what else is he lieing about ? Great video
Only red-haired people who come to mind would be the Horneaters. Could be a bit of a stretch with the mention of an island but someone has to help them defend their perpendicularity and giant lake of investiture.
Yeah! We know he’s mentioned them before, I’m talking specifically about the Cosmere mentions in Lost Metal and I don’t think we learned any new info about the men of red and gold 🤔
I have a few notes. 1- Ay-Doe-Nal-See-um :) 2 - Kelsier/ Ghostbloods seeming more heroic ect in this book is due to their whole goal being the protection of Scadrial. He would let Roshar burn if it means Scadrial survives, so thats why he seems so evil in SLA.
I want an Elantris rewrite..... I literally don't care if a little bit of the cannon changes in doing so.... That could be a top-notch Sanderson book.... But not as it stands now. If he used the original as a rough first draft... He could come up with something truly fantastic with his current level of skill
I had the opposite fear regarding the Cosmere connections. I cared about them because they implied that there are big things going on in the background that might lead to massive interplanetary stuff later on. I think Sanderson is setting up the Cosmere to enter a phase where the interconnections are the plot - probably in Stormlight 6-10 and Mistborn era 3.
@@Bookborn Oh no, I feared that they might stay in the easter egg corner forever, haha!😅 A payoff for the Cosmere connections is essentional for my enjoyment of the books!
@@faultier1158 era 4 more likely he mentioned 3 revolving around a mistborn serial killer and era 4 is supposed to be a space odyssey so era 3 will probably deal with the build up of the interplanetary conflicts in the background and era 4 will revolve around those conflicts
@@animeproblem1070 Eh, I can't see a serial killer being the main point of the series. Maybe the introduction. Like "mysterious train robberies and abductions" were the introduction in era 2. Also, who are the victims? Could be important people, which impacts the power balance in the (maybe interplanetary) cold war.
The Ghostbloods felt pretty damn villainous in Stormlight... Kelsier or definitely seems more like a gray area character than either the true hero or villain. The thing that could knock them over into the villain category is his almost missionary drive... His agenda could come into some serious conflict with what's necessary for the greater good. And he's definitely often looking out for his own best interests. But it's really hard not to like Kelsier. Wonder if his wife will still be waiting for him in the afterlife.... I kind of wonder if his ultimate goal is to take on the investiture of all the shards and become God!
I would not be suprised if the new odium is working with autonomy, since odium cant leave his system, but the defeated champion dalinar could.... that could be the eyes of red and skin of gold
@@Bookborn there were times I felt like so much new stuff was talked about casually I missed a book. But i mentioned one or two things to someone who’s read Stormlight and they didn’t recognize some. So I was mostly able to fill in the blanks. I figured I missed stiff in last book like talk of Harmony and what Kel is actually back but I guess those were just thrown in.
The ghost bloods are still a fairly new group at the time of the lost metal. I don't know the time between storm light and scadrial but I'm certain the reason the ghost bloods seem more benevolent in the lost metal is they were still idealistic
I can't agree. Everything is telling me that mistborn era 2 happens before the events in stormlight. And also please show me the reference for these timelines. I'm having trouble researching a legitimate reference
Can't watch this yet because I did not read the book in a day 😂 But wanted to say I'm so impressed that you got this out in a day while also dealing with the Taylor Swift ticket debacle. Excited to come back to it once I've finished the book!
Recovering from that emotional ending by having fun thinking about all the Cosmere connections in this book with your video!! Any chance you can LMK where you got that sweatshirt??
I made the sweatshirt! But yes… extremely emotional ending. I was sort of expecting the one… big emotional event but the part with alliandre really weirdly got to me lol
Kelsier is absolutely a hero and would be a hero anywhere. Sanderson must have been smoking something when he said otherwise. Kelsier is a hero that does what needs to be done.
I mean he’s the author and creator of Kelsier 😆 it’s not that kelsier isn’t heroic, it’s that in other circumstances his actions may have not been justified.
I think over here we have the Ghostbloods, especially Kelsier, whose main objective is Scadrial's protection (no matter the cost). But we do see that Kelsier has definitely hidden some information. They don't care about roshar and Kelsier is obviously not present there to keep things in check (just look at the scene with Iyatil's brother).
Wait, we saw awaking? I totally missed. Where was this? *Edit: okay. So according to the Coppermind it looks like the lock on the safe in the Ghostbloods hideout in Bliming is awakened. That totally went over my head on the first read.
One thing I was confused about with Sazed is that he seemingly has a darker side to him. Yes, he does possess Ruin and it was said to be stronger than Preservation in era 1, but since then Preservation was completed with the absorption of the mists no? And Ruin is still incomplete because the atium geodes are gone. So what does this all mean?
New sub here. I couldn't stand Wayne in any of the books, but love Steris is my favorite. I loved how the cosmere was tied into the lost metal, but my gripe is that it didn't flow for me. It was choppy I thought. But Brandon is my favorite author❤️👍
"I can't stand wayne" I feel that on a personal level LOL like he just does NOTHING for me. Someone asked if I changed my ranking on Wayne after Lost Metal and I was like...nope...still don't like him haha! But I am glad you are enjoying Sanderson's books!
Stormlight 5 is supposed to happen the 10 days showdown between Dalinar and Odium (probably that will be the middle climax, and then we'll have a conclusion, but I doubt it will be too long). Since mistborn second era is after RoW, then I'm pretty sure that Roshar is safe. I think stormlight 6-10 will be after mistborn era 2 though.
Yeah that’s the correct timeline! But I thought SA 6-10 could potentially take place on another planet. But since they mention Roshar here, which we know is after, it probably survived lol
4:11 Well Kelsier did say against the malwish"your sister who is runnign amock on Roshar". This to me feels liek she is not doing her job like Kelsier wants
Hoid will be where he needs to be and for things to go the way he needs not where he wants to be so for what he needs Wax needs to live through the second era of mistborn
Wait, how did people know that Kelsier was Thaidakar before The Lost Metal? I found on Monday. There's his appearance in the Stormlight 5 prologue, which I somehow obliviously missed on the first time thru... but were there other clues? I'm just starting to recontextualize everything about the Ghostbloods knowing this now.
I had a theory before the lost metal was out where the people in gold and red couldve been related with Nalthis of some sort. i dont think we now anything about the actual state of the planet, but gold and red were de colors of Lightsong the Bold, the returned who represents braivary. Could the gold and red forces be lifeless. Now you just quote harmony talking about autonmy and saying she likes those who are bold, maybe autonomy already intervined in nalthis and took in the technology of lifeless, and the gold and red could be a reference to the atribute of lightsong or even a hint that autonomy may have taken over nalthis (which could give and explanation on way vasher is on roshar).
That's really interesting! Lifeless didn't have gold skin and red eyes, but maybe it could be a new form of them? Especially if Autonomy stole them? As Lightsong has been long dead in Mistborn, though, I don't know if it would be connected to him specifically...
@@Bookborn i think in the future lightsong could be a sort of god to the people, like in this book the religion of trell is probably an adaptation of trellagism (dont know if the name is right) a religion existing before era 1. This suggest that autonomy takes a specific believe in the planet to adapt it and put an avatar representing the religion. That could also be the case of nalthis, where probably for the people lightsong could be de god of braivary, and autonomy thought it could be a good religion to take upon. In scadrial the trellagism talks about the stars and life, as well as autonomy talks about spreading her life on every plane. I know its not a well settled theory but there are interesting aspects of it. The red and gold could be bc autonomy is using its investiture to create lifeless without biocromatic breaths.
I’m not sure how the timeline works exactly between MB era 2 and SA era 1, but I’d be cautious in thinking anything from lost metal guarantees any safety for Roshar.
So two things that jump out at me, one having multiple sub points: The golden men with eyes of red: we know that is corrupted Investiture because that’s just the color of Corrupted Investiture. So Autonomy stole it. I think that they are Awakened soldiers like the Lifeless from Warbreaker. Sanderson seems to be going for this fundamental contradiction about Autonomy. Avatars are still affected by Autonomy’s will, despite being “autonomous.” Booming was full of formulaic, samey houses that were individual but the same. So using Lifeless as soldiers makes a perfect contradiction. Also, one of the Four Scholars that worked with Vasher is MIA. there have been lots of theories about where he is (Scadrial being one of them with an Allomancer Jak tale mentioning “men of stone” or something, but it’s entirely possible that he works for Autonomy now, finding a new way to create Lifeless. Kelsier: he is very much a “from a certain point of view” character. He does love his home evidently, as one of the missions of the GBs is to protect Scadrial and it’s interests. And I think that holds true to SA as well. Ignoring the fact that Sanderson is repeating a “recruit this impressionable young woman with a future” plot, they take different approaches with Shallan and Marasi because of this central mission. They know Marasi is already down to protect the planet. That’s why I think we’ll have more government interaction with the GBs in era 3: Marasi will set the stage for some covert help to go back and forth, and the GBs will possibly even have members of the government in their pocket. With Shallan, they don’t know if she’s gonna be down to only protect Scadrial, especially if Roshar becomes an antagonist to Scadrial. They have to work to make sure her loyalty is to the GBs before her home. Thus, the vetting process is much more mysterious, teasing, cautious And, of course, Kelsier’s Hemalurgy. He can’t use his Mistborn powers in his new body and Hemalurgy doesn’t work on him which says a LOT about Hemalurgy and Allomancy. How Allomancy is more tied to the body than it is to your spiritweb. Also, we know that Allomancy has to be a part of the Spiritweb, because Hemalurgy takes a part of that off. So is that a part that is only able to be activated if you are truly Connected to a body? Or does that part fade if you become a CS without a body? Some questions definitely arise. There’s more in here (we should see more aethers in SP 1, and they certainly are connected to Aether of the night) but I think this doesn’t need to be too close to an essay
Hmmm I don't feel like Shallan/Marsai share enough in common to say it's the same plot point. Shallan didn't seem to be recruited because she was promising more like her life was a mess and they could control her easily - but also that she had powers they needed. I think Kelsier for sure cares more about Scadrial, like you said, and that factors into how they feel different. I also think he might've lost control of Mraize a bit since he can't visit Roshar physically.
@@Bookborn yeah, maybe plot is the wrong word. They're both "promising young women struggling to find their place in the world." It's more of a vibe than a plot. The reason for individual recruitments is different, sure, but it feels similar on a base level. Like they both have this innate curiosity to them that drives them.
I know it’s an unpopular opinion, but I kind of preferred the wider Cosmere stuff to be a little more hidden. It’s not that I dislike crossover, I really love it. The problem is that that different magic systems get added in here and it keeps me from feeling like I can problem solve with the current magic system. Here, I really didn’t understand any of the stuff going on with the Aethers and Twin Soul despite having read Elantris and White Sand, and it didn’t seem to fit with either of those systems completely , or at least with my knowledge of them. There’s a scene in one of the Stormlight books where Hoid uses the magic from Warbreaker to make a doll come alive, though I hadn’t read Warbreaker at the time and I just kept thinking I’d missed something. Obviously Brandon’s got his own way of doing things and maybe I just need to reread his other books. I was super happy to see Shay and see them play with Soul Stamps. I felt like that’s a really easy to understand power, but it might just be that Emporers Soul is fresher in my memory (and it’s lasted in my memory a lot longer than Elantris) Anyway, great video! Love discussions like this.
My guess is that the men of gold and red are a branch of the Iriali. We know they have metallic golden skin and they have been to different worlds. So I guess these guys are a branch of the Iriali from a different world.
@@Bookborn IIRC the red eyes is also similar to when the thrill took over the men at the battle of thaylen field in oathbringer, very similar to what was happening with Wax's sister.
It's in Stormlight Archive - Rhythm of War! I think it's Wit that calls him the "survivor" or "man of scars" or something like that, that was very Kelsier-coded.
overall thou the cosmere things where fun. And I really feel it didnt follow Kelsier enough. The overall story felt VERY weak thou, We did not get many interactions with Trell at all. Not even close to what we got from Ruin in Era 1. The "twist" in the end just felt forced. And the "Lost Metal" part was way to small in the book. It will prob have BIG implications in the cosmere but it didnt get any room here at all. Overall I just felt that it fell very short story-wise to the other books from Era 2. Cosmere wise it was super-intressting and it makes me wanna read more Cosmere. Especially Kelsier stuff. Big problem with this book now thou is that even if you dont need the other Cosmere-books to read this you more or less need this book to read the others. Espeically when it comes to Ghostbloods and the rediscovery of the "lost metal" and them beeing mentioned in new publications. Its a positive thing for any big Sanderson reader. A big negative if you just follow one of his series.
I'm actually not convinced that's true. I think Sanderson is always going to try to put the relevant information you need in each book. What the Ghostbloods are doing on Scadrial probably doesn't matter that much to the SA if you only want to read the SA, you know?
So... Am I the only one thinking that Twinsoul could be Kenton?!?! His skin, the water, and his clothes are clearly described as those in White Sand, white with a yellow shiny sash (golden sash maybe?), he even has a slightly curved sword like Kenton!
Oohhh super interesting - but how could he use Aether?? I don't think that's related to White Sand but admittedly I'm the least knowledgeable about the White Sand magic
I've only finished about an hour ago. I'm still...absorbing. Until now I thought the Ghost Bloods were 'bad guys' and I still wasn't convinced it was really Kelsier. I suppose I'm confused as to why the radically different perspectives from different books. I understand one person's terrorist group can be another's freedom fighter...but this is odd. I'm not sure I agree that The Lost Metal\Era 2 stands alone w/o supporting Cosmere knowledge. I have a friend who has *only* read Mistborn novels, and they had lots of questions for me about things/events that didn't make sense in the story to them. I think it's easy to treat them as Easter Eggs when you have all the supporting background, but when you don't they are non-sequiturs that pull you out of the story.
Oh interesting. What parts confused them? Was it just that it opened the world so much? Or that they didn't understand how different magic systems work? As far as Ghostbloods, one theory might be that Kelsier has just lost control a little bit of the GB on Roshar - after all, he can't visit in person. So maybe it's more Mraize that have turned the GB into a different type of organization. Or, another theory is that Kelsier has written the protection of Scadrial into the very bylaws of the GB - and so he just cares less about Roshar.
@@Bookborn I suppose I'm still not clear as to what Kelsier's state actually is. After all I wasn't convinced it was him until now. :) For my friend it was mostly "Who are all these people, and why are they here?" Keep in mind (to the best of my recollection) everything in Mistborn to date was confined to Scadriel. There were some vague references if you knew about the other worlds, but even 'Secret History' was mostly tied to Scadriel and its inhabitants. Now we have half a dozen other magic systems and planets and characters basically in one book at the end of a (long awaited) series of books. Most of that in the last half of the book. It's a bit much on it's own. Granted I know very few people who've read any Sanderson that aren't reading ALL of Sanderson, but it's more than zero people. :)
Just finished the book and it was great. Spoiler: I thought Hoid was overtaken (this isn’t the correct term) at the end of ROW? I don’t have a grasp of the cosmere timeline.
Hoid wasn’t overtaken! We aren’t *exactly* sure what happened but we think Odium was able to alter his memories or take a memory. Some people theorize Hoid knows, some thinks he doesn’t. Either way he was still functional. Lost Metal should take place after everything in the first half of Stormlight.
OK! So I was talking to someone and I think the red haired people may be Rock’s people…!!! MeLaan in Rock’s novella confirmed? That would be amazing 🤩
Had the same idea! The peaks have a perpendicularity after all, so of all the red haired people, they're probably the most likely to end up being stranded somewhere in Shadesmar.
The original Ruin was also a red haired person...
@@faultier1158 and we know Rock went back to his fam and we are getting a rock novella. It all fits
Wait a minute.... isn't MeLaan travelling through shadesmar happening at least a few years after the end of SA era 1?
@@marigold5546 yes. MBE2 takes place within the time-skip between SAE1 and SAE2. That gap is about 15 (Roshar) years. So it can be assumed that the end of SA5 has long happened by the time MeLaan's epilogue is happening.
Not to brag but I was able to find Hoid all by myself this time 🕵🏻♀️😆
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Codenames is explicitly named as Kaise, who is Kiin's daughter in Elantris (Sarene's cousin). And is supposed to be a main character in an Elantris sequel.
I am fairly sure that The Lost Metal is going to have driven Brandon to write the Elantris sequels.
Oh wow, great catch. Even though Elantris is probably my least favorite Cosmere book (I still like it), I'm super excited for the sequel. Not only will Brandon be returning to Sel as a more competent writer, but I'm also really curious about where he'll go with the plot. Elantrians are practically gods again so I wonder if the conflict will be internal or if it will be against the weird storm thing in the cognitive realm on Sel.
@@kaladongstormguy I think that Brandon wrote The Lost Metal with the clear knowledge that he was going to write the Elantris sequels with Mistborn Era 3. And I don’t think he can avoid it now. At least from what he said in the past, Kaise was supposed to be a main character in at least one sequel. And I think by introducing her as a Ghostblood, he’s making a promise that we’re going to see her path there (and likely Shai’s as well)
@@brianhgold That's good to know. Thanks for the info ^^
Ahh Kaise! I remember him saying she was going to be a focus in the sequel. It'll be interesting to see which books we get between now, SA 5 and era 3.
Kaise also explicitly mentions that math is more of her brothers thing, which is what tipped me off :D
I am fairly sure we saw Skybreakers too!
When the Ghostbloods were sent to help Steris sink the fleet in the harbour - one of them double checked to make sure it was legal before flying up and away to sink the ships.
Steris presumed they were allomancers but I’m sure at least one was a Skybreaker. It seems too deliberate as a single line of dialogue.
OH MAN that totally flew over my head! What a great catch
Skybreakers would also make a little more logistical sense as to sinking the ships. We haven't totally seen what Skybreakers' powers can do, however there are several places where the destructive abilities of the Dustbringers are mentioned, and Skybreakers are at the intersection of the Windrunners and Dustbringers.
i didnt even think of that, a skybreaker sworn to the ghostbloods for their third ideal makes a ton of sense. also the surge of division would be super helpful to sink a big cargo ship
Agreed. With Gravitation to help bring the ships down against buoyancy, they could use Division as well to open holes in the sides of the ships in theory.
WOW what a great catch. I figured something was up with them, but my suspicions were sort of cleared up when Steris referred to them as Allomancers.
The marewill flower being the ghostblood symbol really got me. Especially since the dragonsteel con had marewill flower pins for sale and so many people had them on their lanyard... so many people were walking around the con with the ghostblood symbol and they didn't even know it!!
It's funny because that flower was on the new cover for Secret History but I still never connected it to the triangles...even though I knew Kelsier was head of the Ghostbloods lol
I loved the different portrayal of the Ghostbloods. I think they are more ruthless on Roschar because it’s not their home planet. Roschar is just a resource but the goal is to protect Scadriel. I loved how subtle this was conveyed.
Yeah I think it's also because Kelsier can't physically visit Roshar and so Mraize might be taking liberties...
@@Bookborn very much so. Mraize is a dramatic jerk, confirmed
@@Bookborn Actually, Iyatil is the leader of the Ghostbloods in Roshar.
@@Bookborn granted there was a lot in the book and I need to do a reread but I think I remember a line with Kelsier saying he doesn't like how they're handling Roshar
Plus you see how extreme Iiatyl's brother appears to be and she is similar. Plus Kel is there to reign him in but she is on another planet that he can't even get to. It seems like they're allowed to do their own thing as long as it follows the rules and is working towards gaining access to all that investiture of the High Storms.
Re: The Ghostbloods
Kell in his epilogue looks up and sees every other star as a threat. I'd assume that he's treating the people of Roshar the way he is because he wants to exploit them for the betterment of Scadrial. We saw what pure, unkeyed Investiture (read: THE EXACT THING THEYRE TRYING TO EXTRACT FROM ROSHAR) can accomplish in this book. He (rightfully) sees the Rosharans and Radiants as a threat to him and his, so his hostilities there make sense imo.
That’s a really good theory. I also saw a theory that maybe Mraize is more out of control and he’s the reason it’s sketchier, not kelsier… another interesting theory
@@Bookborn I think Kelseir would work with the radiants if he ever interacted with odium because he would hate both teravangian and rayse
@@animeproblem1070 I think Kelsier has a complex and doesn't like most of the gods I'm sure (Sazed probably only gets a pass because he knew him previously...)
@@Bookborn yes I don't think he likes the other gods more specifically I think he would hate both odiums
This is actually the second time we’ve seen and Aether in the books. Mraize had an Aether in his possession in his place in Sebarial’s camp. It was the pink crystal in a box that seemed to always be flaking. I’m super interested in Aethers as they need water to be used (like Sand Mastery), requires a bond (like a Spren although I think Brandon said that multiple people can bond an Aether), and may have inspired the appearance of Cultivationspren (Aethers are apparently older than the Shattering so maybe Cultivation knew about them and it influenced their appearance).
For Aethers' name, it appears Brandon chose Indian/Hindu names as base (like he chose French names as base for Scadrian names). Shri Prasanva is very close to Prasanna (meaning happy/content). Silajana sounds very close to Shila Jana, which if translated directly (from Sanskrit), means Stone People (Shila-Stone, Jana-People)
Oh interseting tidbit!
In the speech that was streamed at the end of the recent convention he had mentioned bringing in an expert in that area for consultation on background lore for this book. The transformation in the tunnels was one of my highlights from the book.
Omg the biggest thing that tipped me off when hearing the audiobook was Michael’s AMAZING pronunciation of Vishwadhar, which is an actual Sanskrit word 😭
I was also super curious about Shai’s comments/interactions with Hoid. I sorta assumed he and the ghostbloods wouldn’t be overly friendly, but she seemed sorta fine with him. It was also weird to have someone just straight up know who he IS.
Also I definitely think/hope that Marasi joins the 17th shard or some other interplanetary organization. I think she could do a lot of good in the grand scheme of things if she had a team that was less . . . morally grey? than the Ghostbloods
I’ll admit I was super bummed that she didn’t join the ghostbloods because I agree; she’d be awesome as a world hopper / big Cosmere player. Hopefully 17th shard!
Maybe she'll found a Cosmere version of Interpol. Call it...Interplan? Ya, why not.
Hope she gets to go off-world sometime! I bet she would love to see other planets!
There is always another Secret
Shai was imprisoned in the Emperors Soul because of Hoid. A friendly nod and a little banter wasn’t the way I thought they would interact.
I was under the impression that the red-haired people MeLaan met at the end are almost certainly Horneaters, and that she’s come through Cultivation’s Perpendicularity in the Horneater Peaks.
I think that the reason Hoid is working so hard to protect Wax might have to do with the letters between him and Harmony in the epigraphs of Oathrbinger and Rhythm of War (which were presumably written around the same time as the books, and therefore before Era 2). Out of all the Shards and other people/dragons that Hoid contacts, Harmony seems to be the only one sympathetic to his cause and willing to work with him in some way (probably because he wasn't one of the original Shards). We don't know exactly how closely they are working with each other, but Harmony does indirectly mention Wax in one of the letters so I don't think it's unreasonable that Hoid wants to keep Wax alive as part of whatever him and Harmony are working on
Just finished the book. It was even better than I could've imagined. And all of these Cosmere connections are WILD.
SO FUN. Glove ARE off like Sanderson said!
This was such a cool overview! Thank you! A couple of thoughts: 1. Wit mentioned Adonalsium, by name, to Dalinar in Words of Radiance, not sure if there are other instances, there might be one in an epigraph in one of the other SA books. 2. I think a lot of the time we conflate Mraize's and Iyatil's actions/motivations/etc (ie Rosharen Ghostblood) with _Kelsier_ himself. I've never found Kelsier to be particularly "villainous". I mean I can see why Brandon said that in any other story he would be the bad guy... but I haven't seen him be truly _villainous_. The only time we've actually seen him in Roshar (not saying where, because spoilers, but if you know, you know) he seemed less "bad guy" than "on his side rather than Gavilar's"... and let's be honest... that's a smart move, Gavilar is an idiot. Kelsier has his own version of morality, and I don't agree with all of it, for sure.
Ok I love this theory. Full disclosure, kelsier is my fav character in the Cosmere and thus I’m a huge Kelsier apologist LOL. I never thought about how since Kelsier isn’t actually present on Roshar, ghostbloods are much more in the hands of Mraize and maybe aren’t as in his control..,
@@Bookborn The books also mention that Iyatil actually outranks Mraize and her brother is the one that Kelsier has to reign in so it totally implies that there's problems on Roshar because he can't reign Iyatil in like her brother.
I think something you forgot to mention was the whole Harmony slowly turning into Discord due to the imbalance of Ruin within him. A lot of people have talked about the prophecies that mention someone becoming Discord and his people loving him for it. Wonder if this will lead to him helping with technology and even leading Scadrial into a greater cosmere war.
Oh interesting! What a good theory, I guess I always overlooked the discord thing because I assumed it meant ruin and preservation together - but you’re right, he became harmony. Oohhh I really like this theory
@@Bookborn mistborn book one, there is an epigraph where Discord (capitol D) is mentioned. It is for the very chapter sazed is introduced.
There's also a theory that those prophecies aren't Scadrial specific but more of a cosmere constant with both Dalinar, Vasher, and maybe even Raoden possibly meeting the criteria. You have to remember we haven't seen the prophecy in it's original form.
@@Bookborn I like the theory that Discord IS the new Shard of Preservation and Ruin but Sazed misinterpreted the new Intention and named it Harmony and this is why he has slowly been changing. He was always supposed to be Discord but the act of fighting against this causes his problems. I think I explained it right, it's a fun theory but im not sure how much sense it really makes.
@@danperkins4781 Chapter 8, p. 160 in the edition I have.
With chouta I love that Wax and Kaladin had the same ugh that looks disgusting reaction to it! XD The protagonist bond across the Cosmere!
I love thinking about how people would interact. I'm sure Wax and Kaladin would mostly get along, maybe after a little bit of a rought start. Wayne and Lopen would be absolutely UNBEARABLE.
@@Bookborn oh lopen and Wayne would be amazing! Wayne and shallan would also be funny as he'd consider her a cheater lol.
@@Bookborn I actually had the thought halfway through the book that if Wayne and Lift ever met each other, there might not be any planets left standing afterward
Loved how differently the Ghostbloods were portrayed in this book vs Stormlight. I do think it primarily goes back to the "protect Scadrial" tenet of the org. In a way, I think Kelsier has expanded his Skaa vs. Nobles mentality to a Scadrial/Ghostbloods vs. the rest of the Cosmere one. They can be a force of heroism and hope... if you are on the right side.
I think the Rosharian branch of the Ghostbloods being so much more sinister and ruthless in general is a deliberate choice on his part. I can see him subtlety encouraging it through non-intervention when it comes to Mraize and Iyatil's running amok. Despite him not being able to physically travel there, Kelsier just doesn't seem like the type of leader to lose control like that.
Well, I finished The Lost Metal yesterday, it was so full of Cosmere, that's great.
I would think that Hoid is trying to ally himself with Harmony, as Harmony was the only one responding somewhat positively in his letters (SA) to the threat of Odium. So it seams that Hoid is trying to make sure that Harmony survives long enough and collects enough power to face the future.
I've missed Shai, and Codenames being from Sel. Mainly because I've forgoten Shai names, yet I thought for a momet it might be her when it was disclosed she can do Forgery - but I've dismissed it. I'm bad with remembering names :(
Mara flower being Ghostbloods symbol was something theorized on 17th Shard forum so I was sure that's it. Nice to see confirmation about it.
And so many new things about magic! I'm particular excited about Awakened safe (as it's my favourite magic system, more of it please) and Shai-Elantiran abilities, as she drew an "Aon-Elendel" on ground, that works like city of Elantris with Connection, and grants her abilities to use AonDor with full power. So many new possibilities. And Aether - most information about them was from Brandon's words, and it was mention in SA (Mraize had something Aether related), so it's good to see what it can do.
I'm also think that the differences between Ghostbloods on Scadrian and on Roshar are very important, and make sense when Kel is talking to Sazed at the end. He sees every other world as a threat to Scadrial, and what's the best way to make sure others are not a threat? Conquer them. That's why he pushes Sazed to help with technology and space travel, and why he treats Roshar as a resources for Scadrial. Kelsier is not that much of an hero as we like to think of him.
Marasi was right about Ghostbloods. Kel's inaction and gatekeeping vital information almost lead to destruction of Roshar. Kel puts all blame on Sazed and took credits for helping, when Sazed did more that Kel ,despite his inabilities. Ghostbloods would not even knew end was coming without Marasi forcing them to act, and she was placed in Police by Sazed. Marasi was the reason disaster was averted. Kel should do more, he should trust Sazed and his brother when they have Set as common enemy. If during that 6 year break between books Marasi was informed by Ghostbloods about Set's plans, it would have ended much earlier and safer.
Autonomy as a Trell was obvious one, as it was foreshadow from the Alloy of Law - it was always about being independend. But that's not the bad thing to be obvious. Autonomy's army is that they kind of looks similar to Threnody's Shades. So I think they are some sorts of Cognitive Shadows similar to Shades and Fuzed.
Strange red hair people? YOU AIRSICK LOWLANDER!!
The Lost Metal being Lerasium and not Atium is good move, I predicted it would be one of them (well, there wasn't that much choice). Now that they can make both of them (although Lerasium is very difficult/one time thing) it's a gamechanger. But It's worrisome that Harmony might become Discord.
Well about "well" Roshar - Era 2 Mistborn takes place in between SA5 and SA6 and Hoid is on Scadrial so it either means that Roshar is ok for now, or Hoid was "banished" from Roshar. But than it seams like Perpendicularity on Horneaters peeks is not blocked by Fuzed so it might suggest that Roshar is good for now.
The new secret history cover basically spells out what the ghostblood symbol is as well. It's a flower.
I mean I've seen the new secret history cover but I didn't necessarily connect it to the triangles of the Ghostbloods, so maybe I did need it spelled out lol
I love all the Cosmere connections we see in this book. And that we get Kell leading the Ghostbloods and see how different they are on Roshar. He isn't personally overseeing M'Raize and Iyatil so I think they have their own goals/agendas that are not in line with what Kelsier wants. It is awesome that he chose Mare's flower for their symbol. I love little things like Chouta being there. Also, a mention of a group with gold hair that maybe are a branch of the Iriali? And I think the group with red hair at the end must be Horneaters, escaped from Roshar. It is interesting how Hoid has his spren at this point and has been able to leave Roshar
I still can't believe you released this video so quickly! I only finished the book today!
To be fair, I read all of the prereleased chapters a few days before which accounting for 25% of the book. And I'm in the PST time zone so I was able to snag the ebook at 9pm the night before release. SO, I only read about 50% the day it came out 😅 Had to beat the youtube algo lol
I would say Kelsier is Scadriel first. Thats the reasons the Ghostbloods feel like heroes in this story while beeng a more "dangerous" group on other planets since it feels like Kelsier is willing to go way further to protect Scadriel then other planets.
Yeah I think that's a big part of it and also maybe that Kelsier can't be physically on-planet on Roshar and so maybe he's lost control a bit there...
Ghostbloods for me have the feel of an inteligence agency - they may be he "heroes" of a community while totally being the villains of another.
Very true. Could also be the fact that Roshar's organization is mostly run by Mraize.
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@@Bookborn left a like until not spoiled, thank you! Side thoughts on Amazon for example allowing same venue for package arrival reviews alongside book CONTENT reviews?? It's disheartening and common and awful. Or maybe the unmanned B&N Nook reviews with nonsensical reviews pasted on to starred reviews. Simply detach so fill-ins not needed to submit.
It looks like we might be seeing a horneater diaspora as they escape roshar, similar to the iraili which we may see in the horneater novela.
yes I'm SO EXCITED for that. I think it's a really good possibility
What a fun video! I agree that this whole enterprise is being raised to a higher level with these Coppermind things being now in the main books themselves. I didn’t expect to get so emotionally invested in The Lost Metal!!
And it's nice that Sanderson is sort of spelling it out for us so we don't have to remember too much 😅
Just finished it and I'm overwhelmed! It was so much fun with all the cosmere stuff! I was glad I reread some stuff like elantris before, still didn't catch all of it but the chouta thing was the funniest I'm thinking of a world hopper starting a big franchise on all the planet's. And I also loved the ending of marasis part with burning all the investiture such a nice throwback to Era 1 :)
I reallly need to reread Elantris, it's been the longest since I've read that one and as that magic system is showing up more and more I need a refresh.
1:05 I saw someone propose that he's basically doing Harmony a favor in hopes that Harmony will return the favor back to him afterwards. What that favor might be, I'm not quite sure, but it could definitely be something Odium-related, since we aren't sure of his status at this point in time
Ohhh I like this theory. Hoid is such a mystery who knows what he wants
Adonalsium was definitely mentioned in Dawnshard. And I think Raboniel also mentions Adonalsium to Navani.
Yeah now that you say that, it makes sense lol. I just get newly excited every time
I think the Men of Red and Gold might be related to the Iriali. Gold skin and hair, the “human-interest” newspaper publisher seems to reference a group living in Bilming. I think these might be the ones who as an advance force brought Trellium onto the planet in the first place and possibly founded the Set. After reading Marasi and Moonlight’s discussion about Autonomy it resonates with the Iriali’s religion of The One. We know the Iriali are unrelated to the Ashyn Rosharans and are migrating from planet to planet, so its possible they originated from a Bavadin invested shardworld.
Oohhh interesting theory, I like this one
@@Bookborn So apparently the Iriali being connected to Autonomy was debunked in a WoB long time ago. Although I still think there are Iriali on Scadrial given the gold hair comment.
Another possible connection I'm not seeing anyone else talking about is Aether usage being similar to Sandmastery. Both require a spore like organic component and drain the water of the user. I think this might be the same type of plant or organism being used in different magic systems.
@@obviousalias132 @Bookborn Yeah considering the Chouda reference and the Iriali, I have a feeling even if the dual is won, things on Roshar are in bad shape and the Ghostbloods have been moving Rosharan refugees into Bilming. My current theory is the Nale is going to die an SL5, and Kelsier is going to step into the vacuum co-opting the Skybreakers.
@@redshadow310 Also the redheads seen by MeLaan at the end are possibly Horneaters, so yeah most likely a refugee crisis. I think to many people are jumping to conclusions from the probable Skybreakers with the Ghostbloods. Nale dying is a definite probability that I won't rule out but with his current preoccupation and the refounding of the Knights Radiant it's very reasonable for Skybreakers not aligned with him to start making appearances without him necessarily being dead.
The rediscovery of lerasium has huge consequences!
Kelsier wanting to democratize Metalborn powers is also cool!
How would that even work? Spiking it out and giving it to those deserving it?
It seems Sazed changed things about Hemalurgy as well as Allomancy after his ascension.
Sooooooo much magic to go through in this book!
YES, although the Lerasium still seems really hard to get. I thought it was interesting that Sazed lied to Kelsier about that, I meant to bring that up.
@@Bookborn it makes sense though. If there is one person I dont want getting lerasium, its kelsier. Except maybe wayne.
@@artemis4610 Yeah I think it makes sense too, I was just surprised by it. Kelsier with Lerasium...
I suspect the changes to Hemalurgy are because Sazed has to suppress Ruin to balance it with Preservation and fend off Discord. Ruin was more powerful than Preservation since the latter invested more into humans.
@@robmack519 i like that theory a lot
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought it was strange how differently the Ghostbloods operate on Scadriel.
I was thinking maybe whoever was in charge of a certain area (Mraize in Roshar) may have certain liberties on how they run things because of the sheer distance and different culture. I liked your take on how Kelsier/Ghostbloods are framed differently depending on what point of view you are reading from.
Yeah and I think because Kelsier can't actually travel to Rosher in person might also be affecting his control over the group there and so he might be losing control of it a bit. He's SO much more involved in the Scadriel Ghostbloods.
Yeah and I think because Kelsier can't actually travel to Rosher in person might also be affecting his control over the group there and so he might be losing control of it a bit. He's SO much more involved in the Scadriel Ghostbloods.
@@Bookborn That makes even more sense. Him losing control of the organization and it growing into something more dangerous could be a cool twist.
@@Bookborn Yep even on Scadriel Kel ad Twinsoul had to rein back Iyatil's brother back in, he seemed the violent sort. And on Roshar Iyatil pretty much has free reign, she's probably similar to her brother.
I was conflicted that I was reading the book and I liked the ghostbloods, since when you read stormlight, you tend to mistrust them. But I think it is all about perspective. In stormlight, their interests aren't fully aligned with the protagonist interest. But here in Lost Metal they are fully aligned. I think their perception will be dependent on the book. So all Mistborn, I expect them to be liked, since their goal is to protect scadrial. But I expect other books we may not like them. I wonder if later cosmere books will be like Kaladin in Oathbringer at the fight in the Kholin palace. He saw friends and both sides and froze because of it. Will we get instances where we have seen and liked both sides of a conflict in a book?
I think everything you've said is a super good possibility. It could also be because Kelsier can't physically be on Roshar and so has lots control of Mraize a little bit.
This was such a fun video. I felt the same way about the Ghost Bloods between the two series. Kind of upset we have to wait on another time jump with some of the unanswered points of Lost Metal story.
Yeah I was surprised how "unresolved" it seemed. It makes me think the time jump between era 2 and era 3 will be much smaller than I originally expected.
@@Bookborn Fingers crossed that is the case. 😆
@@Bookborn Brandon mentioned at Dragonsteel Con that the gap will probably be 50-70 years, leaning towards 50
I just finished this and instantly came to watch this. It’s so helpful! I really really liked this book.
It was a really great conclusion. Very excited for era 3!
on the ghostbloods and kelsier being more heroic in this than in Stormlight, I was curious at this too but I think its all answered by one of the three main tenets of the ghostbloods: protect scadrial.
I thought of the ghostbloods as this self-preservation group only out for themselves in Stormlight but I think anything happening on Roshar that is shady is because kelsier doesn’t really give a shit about the planet compared to his home. It’s a really interesting addition and makes a lot of sense in my opinion!
I think that's for sure part of it; also that Kelsier can't visit Roshar in the flesh, and perhaps that he has lost control of them...
When Shai transformed herself, she turned herself into Shai-I...... A friggen Elantrian soul stamp!!!!!!!!! Because the form is powerful is why it will be hard for her to snap back out of it and be rid of the soul stamp. The only other time we've seen an Elantrian full powered I think was at the End of Elantris.
I know!!! So cool and exciting. It’s clear we will be seeing more of her and I’m so happy
I'll pop back to watch after reading. I wasn't aware it was out and so haven't read it yet. My memory seems to wax and wa(y)ne as the moon affects the tides.
lol! I have a video recapping the other era 2 books if you need the reminder haha
@@Bookborn I was going to reread but I think your recap would suffice to jog my failing memory (I'm only 50 and may be exaggerating a tad). Many thanks and keep up the good work :)
I need to see MeLaan go to Roshar and have her emerald bones infused with stormlight! I NEED THIS!
So that's what B$ meant when he said "the gloves are off".
FOR REAL
I can't remember where I heard it but I think Brando Sando mentioned the stories Mistborn Era 2 takes place during the big time skip between Stormlight Book 5 and Book 6. So yes, Roshar is probably still around but I'm worried what kind of shape it will be in.
Ok, I was finally able to finish the book and I really really loved it. Every bit of it. I've always liked Wayne though so that helps. I was crying a lot the last bits. I thought it was so well done! I also love Sazed so much.😭
I just read through everyone's comments and it's all just so cool and interesting. I don't think I need to re-say a bunch of things others have already said. I noticed a lot of the cross-overs but not all of them.
A couple things:
I was SO EXCITED when Moonlight turned into Shay. I knew it!
I was confused for a while why Hoid would be a ghost blood working for Kelsier since I knew he would never do that. I must have misinterpreted Moonlights nod to him in the other delivery truck when they were about to do the sting. Did I miss something here?
Looking back I subconsciously knew something was off about how the sky breaker shot into the air, but my mind just immediately wrote off anything but allomancer since we're in Mistborn. Since.... there's no possible way to have anyone outside of Scadrial there. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
I hadn't thought of Wayne's actions at the end being a precursor for space travel- that is really cool! (wait was this comment from your discussion with Merph? I just watched that too, lol)
Fantastic video as always! So impressed you are so quick. Sorry I couldn't chime in before now! My life has been insane the last couple weeks, lol.
The red eyes and golden skin makes me think of secret project #4 but idk if they had golden skin in that. Thats also way in the future too story wise so idk if they are even comparable.
Ohhh good to know. I’ve avoided spoilers for the secret projects so I haven’t read any of the previews!
Red eyes means a corruption of Investiture. It's also shown in Stormlight Archive. In SP#4, they don't have gold skin, however I could see that world being a thrall of Autonomy. The whole "strongest warrior gets power" detail of the magic seems to fit.
@@claycook9475 this makes sense! I figured it would be something cosmere universal like that, especially after it briefly happened to Kaladin
My first connection i made with the people of Gold and Red are the fact that those are Lightsongs colors. Doesn’t make much sense to be connected to this new threat of Autonomy’s soldiers but that was the first thing I thought of since I just re-read Warbreaker haha
A few people have thought that! Not sure if it's related or not but this is the Cosmere so let's not rule anything out lol
@@Bookborn or Autonomy Galaxyhopped onto Westeros, Connected to Cersei and made her an avatar, and has brought the Lannister army
Not to spoil too much but the chowdah thing had me befuddled. And based in the snipets we got about the upcoming secret projects, I think Sigzil brought the chowdah to Scadrial.
Btw def aether of the night. Things have changed but yeah with one secret project dealing with them, this, and stormlight refrences its safe to say he has locked in how thier story will go
Kaise was nice to see from elantris
Its also pretty much confirmed the rosharan ghostbloods were way out of line/ out of control.
Also ghostbloods have skybreakers
OOhhh I've been avoiding all info about Secret Projects because I want to go in blind, I didnt' realize there was one about Aether 👀
@@Bookborn sort of
dude. secret project spoilers! Brandon has worked his ass off to make sure people like me (who want to go in blind) can do so. I get you didn't mean to spoil anything but you need to be careful.
FYI though as it was asked in the books the aether is from the unreleased aether of night book. that said almost everything in that book is not cannon. A great read though for such and early work of his.
I read Stormlight Archive before Mistborn Era 2. I pretty much HATED the ghostbloods while reading SA. While reading Mistborn Era 2, my jaw just straight up dropped when I realised Kelsier was the leader of said group.
100% they're more sinister there. I kept wondering HOW those members work under him. Especially cause this is BEFORE Era 2 so you'd expect he's in full command of them the way he is presented to be in Lost Metal. I just assumed he wasn't in control because he wasn't on the planet. But now that you've pointed it out, if it does turn out to be as an expression for how he's villainous depending on the story ..... that'll actually be so cool.
I might be wrong but didn't the Ghostbloods say Roshar wasn't safe to travel to? Combining that with Me'Laan's epilogue where she seems to meet up with HornEater refugees tells me Roshar is not okay.
Yeah it just has to at least still exist I think 🤔 I was legit thinking roshar might be destroyed but you’re right - a lot can be in between there that could mean essentially the same thing.
@@Bookborn Oh you meant completely destroyed! Yeah, it does look like it's still there... for now 😬
I can’t watch! 😢 Haven’t read any cosmere. But dropping a like and comment because that’s what a Hype Man does. You rock!
Kyle get on READING COSMERE for real
Full mistborns are back now ….. wax is the first one in hundereds of years and they know how to make the metal now . I thought that was pretty cool ……
And another planet ….Mythos ? Maybe it was mentioned and i just don’t remember.
Harmony lies to Keliser and says that he can’t make the Metal … what else is he lieing about ?
Great video
Only red-haired people who come to mind would be the Horneaters. Could be a bit of a stretch with the mention of an island but someone has to help them defend their perpendicularity and giant lake of investiture.
No, I think you are right! People have been saying this and I just LOVE that idea. I think it's the pervading theory right now.
1:18 confirmed Rock still alive and spreading good Rosharan cooking all over the Cosmere :3
YES I HOPE SO
In alloy of law when miles is being killed he talks about the "men of red and gold"
Yeah! We know he’s mentioned them before, I’m talking specifically about the Cosmere mentions in Lost Metal and I don’t think we learned any new info about the men of red and gold 🤔
@@Bookborn I think we got a little description of their appearance but that's it D:
Wait wait, we saw something being awakened? I didn't notice that! What and where was it? Who did the awakening?
We didn’t see it being awakened but Shai (moonlight) said the door was “awake”!
@@Bookborn oh ok! That's so interesting, though!
I have a few notes.
1- Ay-Doe-Nal-See-um :)
2 - Kelsier/ Ghostbloods seeming more heroic ect in this book is due to their whole goal being the protection of Scadrial. He would let Roshar burn if it means Scadrial survives, so thats why he seems so evil in SLA.
I want an Elantris rewrite..... I literally don't care if a little bit of the cannon changes in doing so.... That could be a top-notch Sanderson book.... But not as it stands now. If he used the original as a rough first draft... He could come up with something truly fantastic with his current level of skill
I just think that we don't know enough about the Ghostbloods to actually decipher whether they are good or bad, in my opinion.
I think this is an accurate statement. It'll be interesting to see how that plotline develops over the coming novels.
I had the opposite fear regarding the Cosmere connections. I cared about them because they implied that there are big things going on in the background that might lead to massive interplanetary stuff later on. I think Sanderson is setting up the Cosmere to enter a phase where the interconnections are the plot - probably in Stormlight 6-10 and Mistborn era 3.
I’m sorry you are bummed by that! Personally I’m super excited by it 😅
@@Bookborn Oh no, I feared that they might stay in the easter egg corner forever, haha!😅
A payoff for the Cosmere connections is essentional for my enjoyment of the books!
@@faultier1158 era 4 more likely he mentioned 3 revolving around a mistborn serial killer and era 4 is supposed to be a space odyssey so era 3 will probably deal with the build up of the interplanetary conflicts in the background and era 4 will revolve around those conflicts
@@animeproblem1070 Eh, I can't see a serial killer being the main point of the series. Maybe the introduction. Like "mysterious train robberies and abductions" were the introduction in era 2.
Also, who are the victims? Could be important people, which impacts the power balance in the (maybe interplanetary) cold war.
@@faultier1158 OHH lol ok I get it! I thought you meant you didn't like that they were connecting haha. YES I'm so happy it's all coming together.
The Ghostbloods felt pretty damn villainous in Stormlight... Kelsier or definitely seems more like a gray area character than either the true hero or villain. The thing that could knock them over into the villain category is his almost missionary drive... His agenda could come into some serious conflict with what's necessary for the greater good. And he's definitely often looking out for his own best interests. But it's really hard not to like Kelsier. Wonder if his wife will still be waiting for him in the afterlife.... I kind of wonder if his ultimate goal is to take on the investiture of all the shards and become God!
I would not be suprised if the new odium is working with autonomy, since odium cant leave his system, but the defeated champion dalinar could.... that could be the eyes of red and skin of gold
Perhaps! Definitely the winner of our match in SA 5 will probably give great context to stuff that happened in the Lost Metal with Autonomy...
"Read and Find Out" sweater?!
I made it :)
@@Bookborn 😂 love it. Big fan. Of your channel and his!
I’ve only read the 7 mistborn books in the cosmere (somehow). But yea now I NEED to know more and get into the rest, which I have owned for a while.
Oh man.... Did you feel like it was too much info too fast?? I'm so curious about those who haven't read any other cosmere and if it made sense or not
@@Bookborn there were times I felt like so much new stuff was talked about casually I missed a book. But i mentioned one or two things to someone who’s read Stormlight and they didn’t recognize some. So I was mostly able to fill in the blanks. I figured I missed stiff in last book like talk of Harmony and what Kel is actually back but I guess those were just thrown in.
Just joined you in having only read the two mistborn series. Everything with the ghostbloods was just completely out of left field including Kelsier.
The ghost bloods are still a fairly new group at the time of the lost metal. I don't know the time between storm light and scadrial but I'm certain the reason the ghost bloods seem more benevolent in the lost metal is they were still idealistic
Actually it's the opposite - the Lost Metal happens after books 1-5 in the Stormlight Archive. The plot thickens...
I can't agree. Everything is telling me that mistborn era 2 happens before the events in stormlight.
And also please show me the reference for these timelines. I'm having trouble researching a legitimate reference
@@TheBryantVenture I 100% agree with you. It all makes perfect sense if lost metal is before stormlight. But apparently it's after. Very strange.
Can't watch this yet because I did not read the book in a day 😂 But wanted to say I'm so impressed that you got this out in a day while also dealing with the Taylor Swift ticket debacle. Excited to come back to it once I've finished the book!
Thank you for appreciating my swiftie struggle 😂😂
Recovering from that emotional ending by having fun thinking about all the Cosmere connections in this book with your video!! Any chance you can LMK where you got that sweatshirt??
I made the sweatshirt!
But yes… extremely emotional ending. I was sort of expecting the one… big emotional event but the part with alliandre really weirdly got to me lol
Chouta is proof that Lopen is a world hopper
I was so excited at that part
The Lopen or one of his cousins.
Kelsier is absolutely a hero and would be a hero anywhere. Sanderson must have been smoking something when he said otherwise. Kelsier is a hero that does what needs to be done.
I mean he’s the author and creator of Kelsier 😆 it’s not that kelsier isn’t heroic, it’s that in other circumstances his actions may have not been justified.
Thanks for the video! :)
I think over here we have the Ghostbloods, especially Kelsier, whose main objective is Scadrial's protection (no matter the cost). But we do see that Kelsier has definitely hidden some information. They don't care about roshar and Kelsier is obviously not present there to keep things in check (just look at the scene with Iyatil's brother).
Anyone else find it interesting that the newspaper including talk of other worlds not being safe to travel to was in Thaylen? SA 5 implications maybe.
Another name for the leader of the ghostbloods we already had was "lord of scars"
Wait, we saw awaking? I totally missed. Where was this?
*Edit: okay. So according to the Coppermind it looks like the lock on the safe in the Ghostbloods hideout in Bliming is awakened. That totally went over my head on the first read.
,Yep that's the place! Shai said the door was "awake" which is how I caught it.
@@Bookborn ah makes sense. I'm a bad cosmere sleuth. Haha
I think Hoid and Harmony are making an alliance.
Maybe, although I think Hoid is mostly for himself.
@@Bookborn oh Hoid is 100% for himself. I still think they can make an alliance of convenience though!
One thing I was confused about with Sazed is that he seemingly has a darker side to him. Yes, he does possess Ruin and it was said to be stronger than Preservation in era 1, but since then Preservation was completed with the absorption of the mists no? And Ruin is still incomplete because the atium geodes are gone. So what does this all mean?
New sub here. I couldn't stand Wayne in any of the books, but love Steris is my favorite. I loved how the cosmere was tied into the lost metal, but my gripe is that it didn't flow for me. It was choppy I thought. But Brandon is my favorite author❤️👍
"I can't stand wayne" I feel that on a personal level LOL like he just does NOTHING for me. Someone asked if I changed my ranking on Wayne after Lost Metal and I was like...nope...still don't like him haha! But I am glad you are enjoying Sanderson's books!
@@Bookborn 🤣 Yup, that is me lol! You do good videos btw. Wonderful speaking voice👍
I had a feeling there were pieces I was missing when reading it.
Stormlight 5 is supposed to happen the 10 days showdown between Dalinar and Odium (probably that will be the middle climax, and then we'll have a conclusion, but I doubt it will be too long). Since mistborn second era is after RoW, then I'm pretty sure that Roshar is safe. I think stormlight 6-10 will be after mistborn era 2 though.
Yeah that’s the correct timeline! But I thought SA 6-10 could potentially take place on another planet. But since they mention Roshar here, which we know is after, it probably survived lol
Just finished and my brain is going on all cylinders thinking of the implications lol
FIRING. can’t wait to discuss
Like ur video!! 🎥⚔️📽🍁🍂 happy reading to you!! 🎞
4:11 Well Kelsier did say against the malwish"your sister who is runnign amock on Roshar". This to me feels liek she is not doing her job like Kelsier wants
Hoid will be where he needs to be and for things to go the way he needs not where he wants to be so for what he needs Wax needs to live through the second era of mistborn
Yeah but the question is why, you know?
@@Bookborn most likely his desendents will be important for the cosmere Hoid needs
Wax retires as Harmony's sword only to become Hoid's sword XD
@@ramblingdad7764 not exactly hoid doesn't always need something for the people he saves just what they'll do for the cosmere itself
Wait, how did people know that Kelsier was Thaidakar before The Lost Metal? I found on Monday. There's his appearance in the Stormlight 5 prologue, which I somehow obliviously missed on the first time thru... but were there other clues? I'm just starting to recontextualize everything about the Ghostbloods knowing this now.
In rhythm of war! Wit refers to Thaidakar as the “lord of scars” which everyone associated with Kelsier as his title!
@@Bookborn Ok, thanks! I caught that the second time reading the 5 prologue but not then, yet one more reason to reread Rhythm of War :)
I had a theory before the lost metal was out where the people in gold and red couldve been related with Nalthis of some sort. i dont think we now anything about the actual state of the planet, but gold and red were de colors of Lightsong the Bold, the returned who represents braivary. Could the gold and red forces be lifeless. Now you just quote harmony talking about autonmy and saying she likes those who are bold, maybe autonomy already intervined in nalthis and took in the technology of lifeless, and the gold and red could be a reference to the atribute of lightsong or even a hint that autonomy may have taken over nalthis (which could give and explanation on way vasher is on roshar).
That's really interesting! Lifeless didn't have gold skin and red eyes, but maybe it could be a new form of them? Especially if Autonomy stole them? As Lightsong has been long dead in Mistborn, though, I don't know if it would be connected to him specifically...
@@Bookborn i think in the future lightsong could be a sort of god to the people, like in this book the religion of trell is probably an adaptation of trellagism (dont know if the name is right) a religion existing before era 1. This suggest that autonomy takes a specific believe in the planet to adapt it and put an avatar representing the religion. That could also be the case of nalthis, where probably for the people lightsong could be de god of braivary, and autonomy thought it could be a good religion to take upon. In scadrial the trellagism talks about the stars and life, as well as autonomy talks about spreading her life on every plane. I know its not a well settled theory but there are interesting aspects of it. The red and gold could be bc autonomy is using its investiture to create lifeless without biocromatic breaths.
I’m not sure how the timeline works exactly between MB era 2 and SA era 1, but I’d be cautious in thinking anything from lost metal guarantees any safety for Roshar.
So two things that jump out at me, one having multiple sub points:
The golden men with eyes of red: we know that is corrupted Investiture because that’s just the color of Corrupted Investiture. So Autonomy stole it. I think that they are Awakened soldiers like the Lifeless from Warbreaker. Sanderson seems to be going for this fundamental contradiction about Autonomy. Avatars are still affected by Autonomy’s will, despite being “autonomous.” Booming was full of formulaic, samey houses that were individual but the same. So using Lifeless as soldiers makes a perfect contradiction. Also, one of the Four Scholars that worked with Vasher is MIA. there have been lots of theories about where he is (Scadrial being one of them with an Allomancer Jak tale mentioning “men of stone” or something, but it’s entirely possible that he works for Autonomy now, finding a new way to create Lifeless.
Kelsier: he is very much a “from a certain point of view” character.
He does love his home evidently, as one of the missions of the GBs is to protect Scadrial and it’s interests. And I think that holds true to SA as well. Ignoring the fact that Sanderson is repeating a “recruit this impressionable young woman with a future” plot, they take different approaches with Shallan and Marasi because of this central mission. They know Marasi is already down to protect the planet. That’s why I think we’ll have more government interaction with the GBs in era 3: Marasi will set the stage for some covert help to go back and forth, and the GBs will possibly even have members of the government in their pocket.
With Shallan, they don’t know if she’s gonna be down to only protect Scadrial, especially if Roshar becomes an antagonist to Scadrial. They have to work to make sure her loyalty is to the GBs before her home. Thus, the vetting process is much more mysterious, teasing, cautious
And, of course, Kelsier’s Hemalurgy. He can’t use his Mistborn powers in his new body and Hemalurgy doesn’t work on him which says a LOT about Hemalurgy and Allomancy. How Allomancy is more tied to the body than it is to your spiritweb. Also, we know that Allomancy has to be a part of the Spiritweb, because Hemalurgy takes a part of that off. So is that a part that is only able to be activated if you are truly Connected to a body? Or does that part fade if you become a CS without a body? Some questions definitely arise.
There’s more in here (we should see more aethers in SP 1, and they certainly are connected to Aether of the night) but I think this doesn’t need to be too close to an essay
Hmmm I don't feel like Shallan/Marsai share enough in common to say it's the same plot point. Shallan didn't seem to be recruited because she was promising more like her life was a mess and they could control her easily - but also that she had powers they needed.
I think Kelsier for sure cares more about Scadrial, like you said, and that factors into how they feel different. I also think he might've lost control of Mraize a bit since he can't visit Roshar physically.
@@Bookborn yeah, maybe plot is the wrong word. They're both "promising young women struggling to find their place in the world." It's more of a vibe than a plot.
The reason for individual recruitments is different, sure, but it feels similar on a base level. Like they both have this innate curiosity to them that drives them.
I know it’s an unpopular opinion, but I kind of preferred the wider Cosmere stuff to be a little more hidden. It’s not that I dislike crossover, I really love it. The problem is that that different magic systems get added in here and it keeps me from feeling like I can problem solve with the current magic system. Here, I really didn’t understand any of the stuff going on with the Aethers and Twin Soul despite having read Elantris and White Sand, and it didn’t seem to fit with either of those systems completely , or at least with my knowledge of them. There’s a scene in one of the Stormlight books where Hoid uses the magic from Warbreaker to make a doll come alive, though I hadn’t read Warbreaker at the time and I just kept thinking I’d missed something.
Obviously Brandon’s got his own way of doing things and maybe I just need to reread his other books. I was super happy to see Shay and see them play with Soul Stamps. I felt like that’s a really easy to understand power, but it might just be that Emporers Soul is fresher in my memory (and it’s lasted in my memory a lot longer than Elantris)
Anyway, great video! Love discussions like this.
Great video!
TwinSoul is like the only non-Sharded Yolen we've seen, I'd guess.
If divil has a sister in roshar who followed shallon wouldn’t that make the timelines match up?
I can't watch this because I'm not going to finish this until next week! See you then.
I hope you enjoy it!
My guess is that the men of gold and red are a branch of the Iriali. We know they have metallic golden skin and they have been to different worlds. So I guess these guys are a branch of the Iriali from a different world.
They def have the gold skin. Maybe corrupted investiture for the red eyes? I've also heard the theory that they are awakened lifeless
@@Bookborn IIRC the red eyes is also similar to when the thrill took over the men at the battle of thaylen field in oathbringer, very similar to what was happening with Wax's sister.
Man I must’ve completely missed the references to kelsier being the leader of the ghostbloods in the other books, anyone know where this pops up?
It's in Stormlight Archive - Rhythm of War! I think it's Wit that calls him the "survivor" or "man of scars" or something like that, that was very Kelsier-coded.
SO excited!!! I can't watch this yet though haha
Is the Army the army vasher is worried about in Warbreaker. Also is Wayne herdazian?
overall thou the cosmere things where fun. And I really feel it didnt follow Kelsier enough. The overall story felt VERY weak thou, We did not get many interactions with Trell at all. Not even close to what we got from Ruin in Era 1. The "twist" in the end just felt forced. And the "Lost Metal" part was way to small in the book.
It will prob have BIG implications in the cosmere but it didnt get any room here at all. Overall I just felt that it fell very short story-wise to the other books from Era 2. Cosmere wise it was super-intressting and it makes me wanna read more Cosmere. Especially Kelsier stuff.
Big problem with this book now thou is that even if you dont need the other Cosmere-books to read this you more or less need this book to read the others. Espeically when it comes to Ghostbloods and the rediscovery of the "lost metal" and them beeing mentioned in new publications.
Its a positive thing for any big Sanderson reader. A big negative if you just follow one of his series.
I'm actually not convinced that's true. I think Sanderson is always going to try to put the relevant information you need in each book. What the Ghostbloods are doing on Scadrial probably doesn't matter that much to the SA if you only want to read the SA, you know?
So... Am I the only one thinking that Twinsoul could be Kenton?!?! His skin, the water, and his clothes are clearly described as those in White Sand, white with a yellow shiny sash (golden sash maybe?), he even has a slightly curved sword like Kenton!
Oohhh super interesting - but how could he use Aether?? I don't think that's related to White Sand but admittedly I'm the least knowledgeable about the White Sand magic
@@Bookborn that's the part were I get lost, maybe after White Sand he became a worldhopper and ended up in the aethers planet and bonding Silajana?😃
The gloves are finally off in the cosmere!
Gloves are OFF! And that makes me even more excited for SA5 (not like I needed more excitement for that lol)
I wonder if the people Melaan is saving are Horneaters. Don’t they have red hair and isn’t there a perpendicularity in the horneater peaks???
I've only finished about an hour ago. I'm still...absorbing. Until now I thought the Ghost Bloods were 'bad guys' and I still wasn't convinced it was really Kelsier. I suppose I'm confused as to why the radically different perspectives from different books. I understand one person's terrorist group can be another's freedom fighter...but this is odd.
I'm not sure I agree that The Lost Metal\Era 2 stands alone w/o supporting Cosmere knowledge. I have a friend who has *only* read Mistborn novels, and they had lots of questions for me about things/events that didn't make sense in the story to them. I think it's easy to treat them as Easter Eggs when you have all the supporting background, but when you don't they are non-sequiturs that pull you out of the story.
Oh interesting. What parts confused them? Was it just that it opened the world so much? Or that they didn't understand how different magic systems work?
As far as Ghostbloods, one theory might be that Kelsier has just lost control a little bit of the GB on Roshar - after all, he can't visit in person. So maybe it's more Mraize that have turned the GB into a different type of organization. Or, another theory is that Kelsier has written the protection of Scadrial into the very bylaws of the GB - and so he just cares less about Roshar.
@@Bookborn I suppose I'm still not clear as to what Kelsier's state actually is. After all I wasn't convinced it was him until now. :)
For my friend it was mostly "Who are all these people, and why are they here?" Keep in mind (to the best of my recollection) everything in Mistborn to date was confined to Scadriel. There were some vague references if you knew about the other worlds, but even 'Secret History' was mostly tied to Scadriel and its inhabitants.
Now we have half a dozen other magic systems and planets and characters basically in one book at the end of a (long awaited) series of books. Most of that in the last half of the book. It's a bit much on it's own. Granted I know very few people who've read any Sanderson that aren't reading ALL of Sanderson, but it's more than zero people. :)
Just finished the book and it was great. Spoiler: I thought Hoid was overtaken (this isn’t the correct term) at the end of ROW? I don’t have a grasp of the cosmere timeline.
Hoid wasn’t overtaken! We aren’t *exactly* sure what happened but we think Odium was able to alter his memories or take a memory. Some people theorize Hoid knows, some thinks he doesn’t. Either way he was still functional. Lost Metal should take place after everything in the first half of Stormlight.