I FORGOT MY SPOILER WARNING!! This video spoils The Sunlit Man and Stormlight Archive (more heavily books 1&2). Otherwise, I talk about magic systems but nothing that would spoil other novels.
Is using the name of the book in the title of the video and on the picture ok? Brandons team is holding the name back till the 10th for the people who do not want it spoiled. I personally do not care about it but well some people probably do.
I don't think a title of a book is a spoiler once it's released (I wasn't spoiled before released! So I understand people liking to wait). I've warned people on my channel before, so they know if they come here they might see it :)@@DaVihm
Some of the things you missed were that the person the Cinder King killed to get his information about Roshar was a Thaylen who ostensibly would be from Roshar however this Thaylen man seems to have been from Silverlight which as we see with The Lost Metal is possible with two siblings (one on Scadrial and one on Roshar) being Silverlight Born but South Scadrian in Descent. This implies a History of Worldhopping in the The Cosmere going further back then we even realize. The place Sig Skips to in the Epilogue is heavily implied to be UTol which was the planet where the Sho Del showed up at the end of Yumi and the Nightmare Painter since the people of Komashi (their Sister Planet in the UTol System) were able to fly to UTol using a Hion powered Starship. The Scadrian researchers, while they could have had a Coinshot in the room, are heavily implied to be using Artificial Steel Pushing via Tech.
I believe the planet where Sigzil lands on at the end is UTol. We saw it as the alien planet that scientists from Painter's world (Komashi) were trying to get it. It is described as a water world with only islands and no large continents and is occupied by Sho Del.
yeah i was looking for this comment. just to expand that means he was of at least of the fourth ideal for both the windrunners and skybreakers which is pretty insane
@@sivzzz3008 which is all the more crazier because the wind runners and skybreakers weren't always morally or philosophically aligned even before the Recreance.
@@Haxerous Yeah that's why I suspected while I was reading that there might be some way to hack the nahel bond and swear oaths that don't fit your personality/intent. It's mostly pure speculation, but the fact that Sigzil still acts pretty much according to his windrunner oaths suggests that it might be plausible.
@@sivzzz3008 there's also the thing where Aux mentions that he is also a radiant and swore oaths, and talks about how the Highspren needed to change. There are definitely some shenanigans afoot.
The Sunlit Man kind of felt like Cosmere version of Doctor Who. A guy wandering the universe shows up on a random planet with crazy stuff going on. He stays to solve the crazy problem they have. Afterward, he just moves on. The guy is very old and has a lot of experience with the technology of the universe and uses that to solve his problems (mostly). And the main conflict is caused by aliens.
Oddly, I thought Nomad mistaking Wit for Kal was interesting and had me speculating all over the place on whether this means Kal is alive or dead. It also seemed like this want the first time that has happened.
@@BlackHand531 after Teft died, I figured Kaladin either has to die protecting people or replace honor...he is not going to be a hero who gets to live our his golden years playing with his grandkids...
There is actually a quote in this book that suggests Kaladin is still alive. Sigzil is talking about knowing someone who was left out in a storm and survived. He used the word "know" someone not "knew". Knowing Brandon that's intentional.
This was a fun video, Bookborn! I’m also very worried about SA5 now. As for The Sunlit Man, I really, really liked all of the Threnody lore we got! That includes the Night Brigade, as you mentioned, but there was so much more than we knew before! The mountain-sized Midnight Essence manifestations of The Evil? The Shade mechanics of Threnody people? The Chorus? And the names and speech patterns were just perfect in this book. Especially with the Epilogue part with Truth-in-Waiting and the Admiral, I feel like Brandon has now essentially all but promised us the Threnody book The Night Brigade, let’s hope he finds some time to write it!
I thought that Aux was injured quite some time after Sigzil got the Dawnshard. During some crisis (which isn't explained), Sigzil needed a ton of Investiture, and the Dawnshard just consumed his spren to get it. I don't think breaking your Bond will create deadeyes anymore after Stormlight 5. I think was an unexpected consequence of imprisoning Ba-Ado-Mishram, and that will be resolved in SA5. Sigzil and his honorspren will probably decide to peacefully break their Bond after the conflict is resolved, but then Sigzil later Bonds a highspren. The way I read it, it sounded like he met Aux in Shadesmar, not on a planet besides Roshar. This may be happening at about the same time as Yumi. Sigzil says that he wasn't aware that were were Sho Del outside of Yolen, and I do not believe Yumi takes place right next to Yolen. Sigzil might have landed on the same planet they discover in Yumi.
Ohhh you’re right we did discover that was a weird thing so his Spren isn’t dead eyes. Im still stressed tho 🤣🤣 And ok that makes sense if he was injured after gettin the Dawnshard. For some reason it didn’t read that way to me but I probably missed it.
It can't be during Yumi, maybe right after but not during. The reason is because during Yumi then Hoid is frozen there, but in Sunlit then he was able to contact him. It is possible for it to be the same planet and maybe close to the timeline though.
Having read the Stormlight Archive would really enhance the experience of reading this book, if only for the emotional connection. Just seeing "Bridge Four" made me cry.
I know you probably won't read this since I'm so late to the party, but i finally read it! And I have to say I really really enjoyed it. The voice worked for me, though! And seriously, how does he keep coming up with these ideas??! Such a joy to read!
Something I just thought of how Nomad saw more of the Cosmere than Wit. Nomad has been on the run for a long time seemingly jumping from planet to planet randomly. He stays on one planet for a short time then moves on to another. Whereas Wit/Hoid says he goes wherever he's needed. He stays on planets longer. He's been on Roshar for a long time it seems, enough to have a job as the Kings Wit steadily. He's either on Scaladreal for a long time as well or pops in and out throughout. So naturally Nomad would see more in a shorter time than his old mentor.
Thank you for this video. I felt like I was walking through an easter egg goldmine for the entire book but I couldn't tell the difference between what I was suppose to recognize and what I had forgotten. It was a relief to realize that I hadn't forgotten as much as I thought I had!
I too am worried for Stormlight 5. So many times in reading this book I was thining "what happened on Roshar?!" Also, did anyone else get slightly teary when Sigzil said Bridge Four at the end of the kata?
Somehow, I don’t think the big battle at the end of Stormlight 5 is gonna go very well for the heroes. It won’t be a total defeat, but maybe only narrowly avoided by some last minute desperation and/or intervention that will bear a huge cost and need the time skip to meaningfully recover from as a reprieve from the near-total defeat
Not for Stormlight 5, though I do think something bad will happen. But my prediction for all of Stormlight, at 10, is that Roshar will be destroyed or at least abandoned similar to Ashyn.
I felt that Sigzil came across as a kind of Dark Hoid at the beginning, tonally. Yeah, Hoidish, but with a far more pessimistic, cynical even, feel that Hoid often accuses himself of, but doesn’t actually have. So it didn’t hit me negatively. It makes sense to me that he’d be both Hoidish and cynical, at least at the beginning, having collapsed into that while he was on the run. And how this changed and more of the Sig we know (tempered by more of the lighter, more optimistic aspects of his mentor Hoid) slowly crept out as the book progressed was beautiful.
Great video! I can’t remember if you mentioned this, but one of the Scadrians allomatically pushes Sigzil away in their base. Plus there’s a goey jar of Dor (from Elantris) that they’ve got that he wants to use to recharge himself. I thought Dor was tied to Elantris itself, so I think that was a pretty interesting thing to note.
This was really good! I love the Cosmere, but I forgot a book as soon as I’m done reading it and videos like this are so much appreciated to explain the things I forgot. Really great job, thank you.
For Tress, Yumi and Sunlit in terms of timeline I think they're all the same Era of around Sixth of the Dusk maybe a bit afterwards. But I think could be any order given how separate they are. Each has elements that feel very advanced but I wouldn't be surprised if they were all within a few years of each other in that leading up to Era 4 timeframe. Yeah I definitely agree on the Cosmere order of this one. The difference for me is less the number of references as the other secret projects and Lost Metal had a lot. But this one has Stormlight stuff in key narrative and character moments. Where Sigzil using his radiant powers, or recovering his oaths, and the importance of oaths in general just isn't well explained in this book it's all in Stormlight. And those aren't just cool side things like Design running the noodle shop, they're key to the narrative moments of the main character's arc this book.
I think he was in some kind of trouble at some point and he didn't have access to stormlight to power his surges and sigzil mentions that the dawnshard protects itself. So in a desperate moment the dawnshard forcefully used auxiliary to fuel sigzil surges because the spren are pure form of investiure. And if we talk about sigzil's age . He said he is older than the greater good. And there has been some speculation that mistborn era 3 will take place around 70 years after wax and Wayne series. So it might be safe to say that this book takes place after era 3 and somewhere between mistborn era 4(the space age)
I’d also like to point out that I’m pretty sure that the world that Sig skips to at the very end of the book is the same planet that the scientists on Yumi’s planet take a rocket to halfway through that book. Both books mention this place as a primarily water world inhabited by Sho Del
Your question at the end got me thinking more about how Sunlit man compared to the other three and how I would rate it. I enjoyed all four, but, if I had to put them in order, I would say I liked Tress best, then Yumi, then Sunlit Man, and last Frugal Wizard’s Handbook. Yumi and Sunlit Man were about equal, but Yumi wins out by having more depth to it. Sunlit Man was action adventure and moved more quickly than I would have preferred. Tress maybe had an advantage by being first, but it was more than that. I love Tress, herself. I’m a sucker for that type of romance. And, I was genuinely tickled through the whole read - it just made me happy.
With the 3 secret projects that are Cosmere related, I get the sense that Brandon is very excited to get into both space-age Cosmere as well as Cosmere mixed books, as in characters crossing over between series. I struggle with when to read this book. I think if you are into the Cosmere, it's good and bad because of all the inferred or implied or directly stated Cosmere references, but if you're not into the Cosmere, you could pick up most of what you need here with context clues. I liked Sunlit man, it definitely has me ready for anything in Stormlight 5 and beyond.
This was my favourite of the secret projects. I'm most interested in finding out about how he became a sky breaker. I disagree with voice thing. It was shocking to see Sig so changed. I'm also very worried about SL5. I WONDER WHAT OTHER CHARACTERS WILL BE WHs (World hoppers).
4:57 He was with aux for decades before the injury, right? Getting the dawnshard itself isnt what injured aux, it just gave sig the ability to use any investiture source and at some later date he unknowingly used aux as a source. That was my interpretation
I agree. This one for sure needs at least Stormlight. Probably Dawnshard and Shadows of Silence too, because I haven’t read those 2, and I feel like I was struggling to understand everything. -T
I’m bad with theorizing and timelines and all that but wanted to comment for the algo and say thank you for the video!! I think I actually liked this book more than most people so far, I’d give it 4.5. Idk, the pacing and emotional resonance just worked for me. Also while I see your point about it sounding like Hoid’s voice, I didn’t have that thought while reading, so it didn’t bother me. Lucky me lol Anyway, this just makes me really excited for SA 5!! Excited to be heartbroken I guess 💔
So timeline: Sig meets Aux in another world, but Aux doesn't get injured until Sig is desperately trying to use some source of power, and his Torment latches onto Aux as a power source. This can happen any time after Sig gets the Dawnshard, so it doesn't have to be while he has it, but only after he holds it, however briefly. This makes sense because Sig can be with Aux, running from the Night Brigade, for decades before being cornered and unconsciously drawing on him. Sig explicitly says Hoid held the Dawnshard longer and so was affected more deeply than he was. This might mean Hoid can't use the same method to siphon off that "canker" on his soul, reducing or eliminating the Torment. I also believe Aux mentions "us Highspren" indicating what he is, and refers to himself both as a Knight and a Hero...and he also mentions his own oaths, which implies Spren can become storming Knights Radiant?! This is...very interesting. PS: THREN-oh-dee. It's a type of song. It comes from Threnos, meaning "wailing" and Oide meaning "song". Very appropriate for a world full of shades of the dead...
Hi there. How are you doing? Sorry I had to turn on this video and then exit so quickly but I have not read any of the stormlight archive books quite yet so I admit I was really confused when you started talking about the references there. I am about maybe a fourth to a third of the way into listening to the well of Ascension right now. So, I will have to come back and watch this once I've read the first couple books in the stormlight archive series. I'm hoping to go on to listening to the hero of Ages for the first time towards the end of this month or the very beginning of November. I'll keep you posted on what my opinions are.
@bookborn I can find the quote but what happened is that nomad gets aux, nomade gets dawnshard, years pass then something happened that left him without investiture, and the dawnshard make nomad involuntary use the only investiture available to him aka aux. It almost killed aux just leaving what we see in the book. Namad had the full aux spren for years with the dawnshard. The timeline given makes us assume that nomad gets said dawnshard between books 5 and 6 or sometime during the back half. He seems to be in lower 20s which implies it happens 15 ish years after where we are now. And if the is a 15 year time jump i think we can assume via the text we will see him take it up in the back half.
4:50 I don't have the specific quote up in front of me, so I could just be straight-up wrong, but I kinda assume that if he says just straight-up that he's been with Aux for decades, I don't think that means he was with him for decades *after becoming the Dawnshard* .... Since Aux is still kinda around, so he could just be referring to like the precious several decades of skipping from world to world. Right?
5:37 Another one to add to your list of mispronunciations! 😂😂 (Threnody is a real word, so unless I've just been unaware of an alternate pronunciation, I think this is a particularly clear-cut case of you being.... Bad at pronouncing things 🤣) /lh
8:44 Not to be the continual know-it-all, except okay maybe to continue with it a *little bit* because that's kinda the point of the video lol, but Brandon has confirmed that Wit isn't strictly right about this; he's overestimating how many world Sig has been to. He's in the top handful of most widely travelled characters across the Cosmere, but Hoid most likely still has him beat in terms of number of world visited
13:40 I think we have a decent WOB on this too, but only since the Book Club video on Brandon's channel, so not into you'd have had access to at the time lol
I don't think we know for aure that Hoid can't Skip. I wouldn't rule it out. I feel like Hoid is a bit more intentional. He tends to use perpendicularities and he has a specific quest. But we also know about his promisel/ability to be "wherever he is required" which is probably related to Skipping as we see him just kinda conveniently pop up out of nowhere. Sigzil just wants to run wherever he can. Skipping to a random location probably makes it a lot easier to hide and be harder to track.
Finally getting around to this video. I've liked them for the previous secret projects. Took me longer to finish The Sunlit Man. Had another book I needed to finish first.
Based on my reading(listening) of the book, I got the impression that he achieved the 4th oath with 2 different spren/orders. I could be misremembering, but I thought the descriptions of the armor fragments mentioned something about them not all being one color, especially mentioning that the full set, when he was using it in this book, was not "wind spren blue". Additionally, where did you find that Aux was a High spren? I don't remember that being stated, but I could have missed it. I'm no arcanist, just wondering what I missed or if I could have heard something incorrectly.
It explicitly says he’s a high Spren near the end of the book! If you search your digital copy you’ll see it! Ahh you’re totally right I forgot to mark that detail. So interesting he can still have armor of two different orders… much to think about
I think this book could be read as a standalone. It's a story about a guy who is always on the run so with his little nods to Roshar aren't that important to the greater story. I do wish Brandon added more context to things like when he does mention some Rosharan counties and when the Scaladreal scientist used allomancy on him and why they have an affinity for metal. Just some background stuff. Interested he hear how your dad is with this book.
I think all of the spren stuff might be hard to understand? and a lot of mentions of Kaladin/Bridge Four in important moments. However, like you said, it's just hard to tell! I know so much that I don't know if NOT knowing would affect it 😅
SPOILERS FOR Sunlit Man, Yumi, and Lost Metal - As others have mentioned the Sho Del were mentioned in Yumi, as they were on the world that was space traveled to. Also, as others have mentioned many people believe that Sigzil skipped to that very same planet at the end of the book. The other recent mention of the Sho Del was at the end of The Lost Metal where MaLean is traveling with a Sho Del named Jan Ven in the Cognitive Realm.
I feel like we’ve been getting books heavily influenced by the wider cosmere lately. Starting (loosely) with rhythm of war and getting more and more integrated as we went on. But every book felt like it’s own book with heavy cosmere influences. This is the first book where it feels like a cosmere book. Not cosmere influenced, but a directly cosmere book. And I LOVE IT
I'm not sure it is that late... The way Sigzil thought about his friends on Roshar made it seem like some of them were still alive (at least it felt that way to me). So maybe it's more like 40-50 years than hundreds?
I think the reason Sigzil has seen more of the cosmere than Hoid is just because Hoid stays on planets for long periods of time to take part or affect the stories there, Whereas Sigzil is running from the Midnight Brigade so he only stays in a planet for very short periods of time. In The Sunlit Man he was on the planet for less than a week. So id take it decades of weekly skips would give him much more exposure to different planets than Hoid's lifestyle
Interesting! he's a mistborn so he should be able to make a time bubble... i'm guessing a small cadmium and duralumin bubble might be a significant time skip option.@@danehardy1898
The physical copy of this book is gorgeous! Yumi is always going to have the best art, but this one takes the cake for best physical copy by a long shot.
The thing that tripped me up is Aux is repeatedly referrred to as being a Knight Radiant who "never betrayed his oaths" in his past. We know from WoB that Threnodite shades can be bonded similar to the Nahel bond, and so my best guess is that Aux is the cognitive shadow of Szeth, because if anybody would grant the power of a Skybreaker and never betray his oaths, it would be Szeth because that boy is hardcore. And let's not forget it takes the equivalent of the Ninth Heightening (20,000 Breaths) to either skip offworld or Awaken steel, both of which are things present in Sunlit Man. Holy Investiture Batman that is a ton of power.
I agree that there is a good bit of "assumption of knowledge" for the Stormlight books in this novel. I think a reader would be confused without having read through Rhythm of War first.
I know you don't like Audiobook but for me it's perfect. I could go pick up things at home depot and then end up crying in the Aisle with all the powertools! Funtimes!
1. I believe Brandon has said that Hoid was exaggerating when he said to Zellion “you’ve seen more of the Cosmere than me.” Zellion has seen different plants than Hoid because he doesn’t need a perpendicularity, but he hasn’t seen more of the actual Cosmere than Hoid has. 2. We’ve also now discovered (unless people knew before) how exactly Hoid is immortal. Zellion outright said that Hoid cannot die due to the length of time he’s held the Dawnshard. 3. I don’t believe it’s been hundreds of years. He said multiple times that he can’t go back to Roshar because he would lead the Night Brigade back to “people who love him.” Unless everyone who knew him became immortal, there is no way it’s been over 100 years. Also, the Stormlight time skip is only supposed to be around 15 years, so if this is that far in the future (hundreds of years) it is WAY past even SA 10. There are 2 things that I had issues with in this book. 1 was Elegy. Her arc felt very rushed and a bit forced, and I just wasn’t that interested in reading her perspective (thankfully she didn’t have that much page time). 2 was just the improbability of Zellion not thinking about the events of SA5 once. Obviously Brandon can’t make him think about that for spoiler reasons, but we were in his head almost the entire time. It probably would have been better if this book came out AFTER SA5 so that we can hear his perspective on it rather than glossing over everything to avoid spoilers. Overall, I’d give this book a solid 4.2 out of 5. It was a fabulous book in terms of Cosmere mentions and was essentially made for us fans who have read everything. That “Chasm Kata” and finishing “Bridge Four”….. chills. Very solid book and every Cosmere fan who has at least read SA 1-4 should read it.
It’s had to have been hundred of years though. When Sigzil is alive in SA, the tech advancements haven’t been made. I also found it curious the comment about his friends - we have more immortals OR he’s talking about different people perhaps? I totally agree with the Elegy arc feels soo rushed. That’s why I always want these to be longer 🤣
@@Bookborn but he always says “decades” when discussing past events. Not “centuries.” Also, When he pointed out how old he was to Rebeke, he said he was older than the 3 old women. Not WAY older, just older. Maybe the tech advancements happen really fast. We know that Mistborn era 2 is between SA 5 and 6, and their tech is increasing at a rapid pace. Maybe the shards get more active in giving people tech due to Autonomy’s conquest desires. Idk, the timeline is really confusing. I wish Brandon’s books came out in timeline order, would be much easier to follow.
@@s.p.8508 Sigzil says that people have been playing around with spaceflight for about 100 years, we also know that in MB era 3, Scadrial will be similar to 1980s earth tech wise, if Sigzal is early 20s now (RoW) and there is the proposed 15 year time gap between SA5 and SA6 then Sigzal will likely receive the dawnshard during SA6-10 at age 38, as he implies in the book. If MB era 3 is 50 years SA era 2, then that makes Sigzal 58. Add another 100 years onto that and Sigzal is 158, in general I think Sigzal is anywhere between 120-200 years old
UTol was fairly widely known by the time Hoid told SP3. Hence SP4 cannot be later than Hoid telling SP3 as Sigzil does not know that there is a world Sho Del settle on.
2:24 I don't that he killed/abandoned his windbreaker spren and oaths. It's the skybreaker oath that he abandoned by walking away from Roshar. 3:56 I think it alludes to Shadesmar. If you further on.. it says along the line of the world of black rock surface or something ... 4:43 Kal is 19 - 20' ish in the first half of the SA. As for Sig he was already a failed scholar, taken as apprentice by Wit and travelled some years with him, I think. So I would say he is in late twenties in the SA first half. 7:44 It is always hinted that Hoid had Downshard in the past in earlier books, but on this one Sig says he is a chain, and they would find Hoid. So does he hold it now or not. yeah 9:07. 11:56 Also when they name Sig, Zillion they say it is foreign word and their first lodestar was named that. But Sig recognise it as a Yolen world. And is it just me or anyone else wonder that if Wit was their first lodestar. Then again he does not interfere with the planet politics untill it benefit in his, well whatever his end goal is.
I didn't think he killed his Honorspren either, but Aux says, "You threw out your conscience years ago, I know, though I never had a chance to meet her." I think he's talking about Sig's Honorspren. So he probably didn't bond both at once, but whether or not his other spren died, who knows?
Did Sigzel get explicitly say he killed his honor spren? I didn’t hear that and thought it was possible a bondsmith may have relieved him of the oath rather than him killing his spren, especially bc I theorize the deadeyes may recover in the future
My understanding is he carried the Dawnshard for a while. At some point while carrying the Dawnshard he done messed up and used some of Aux to fuel the Dawshard, causing the injury. We don't know how long between obtaining the Dawnshard and injuring Aux. (Super speculation starts here) I think hurting Aux is what kicked off the abandoning the Dawnshard and his oaths, starting this long run we find him in the middle of.
I think that’s good speculation though and makes sense with the wider story. It seems the consensus is Aux was injured some time after getting the dawnshard and it as he got it, so that makes the timeline make way more sense to me
My sister has read Stormlight up through Stormlight 4 and Mistborn but only Era 1 and not Dawnshard nor Shadows for Silence. I’m curious to see what she thinks (and what your Dad thinks! - that could be a mini video in my book!)
It's apparent from this book the rules of Radiants and spren and their relationship to their host are about to radically change in Wind and Truth. Unless I am misremembering, Sigzil is the dead spren's squire, not the other way around.
My only gripe is that we don't fully know why Sigzil is like the way he is now. So it was hard to follow the character arc because i couldn't fully appreciate where he is coming from. Would be interesting to reread this in 20 years after SA10
I think this book walks the spoiler line really well. We got enough that it feels almost like a spoiler for SA5, but not enough that we can predict everything. I was a little worried too much would be spoiled. I feel like it was the perfect mix, personally. But it won’t be everyone’s cup of tea for sure. I love the mystery of it all and am even more excited/scared for SA5 now.
@@beyondredemption5369 For sure, loved all the stuff that you mentioned. I just feel like I can't fully appreciate what's being done without the gaping hole that is the rest of SA being filled in (or at least SA 5).
Yes that was my main gripe with the book. Like we're being kept at an arm's length. Will be interesting to revisit this after SA5 to see if it's any clearer then.
This book left me super concerned about what’s coming in Stormlight 5, but also the Cosmere at large given the Night Brigade, and how they use Shades, and their method for weaponizing Shades having (to my recollection) only shown up once, in a specific character. May be tying red strings to wrong spots or forgetting things. But yeah, this book has me concerned.
I feel like sixth of the dusk is the latest in the cosmere based on the unpublished reading of sotd2 that brandon did a while back (unless that has been retconned since)
Hoid say Sigzil that must have travelled to more places than himself. There is WoB by Brandon that this most likely not true and it's more of Hoid overestimating Sigzil's Skipping. But Hoid tends to stay in a place lot longer, because he can hide a lot better than Sigzil does so it makes sense why Hoid would think that would be the case.
Has Sanderson put out any type of 'official' pronounciation guides on the names of people/places in the Cosmere? Seems every video I see has someone saying things differently. Scadrial (sc-ADD-rial vs sc-AID-rial) and Threnody (THREnody vs threNODy) are two I distinctly heard differently on this video.
Oh and he is centuries old at this point in my guessing he broke the oaths some time after the shard nearly killed Aux. No idea how long he had it. He just mentioned he didnt carry it as long as Hoid
Just about the only thing we know about the Noght Brigade is that they keep Shades around as weapons. Coincidentally, our only Theondry story is about *SPOILERS* a bounty hunter who keeps her grandmother's shade around as a weapon. Somehow doubt that is a coincidence.
definitely wouldnt read it without reading rhythm first. I viewed as an actual stormlight novella, its not following the plot but it does fit into it all
Sunlit man made me think odium wins the contest of champions . the line "have you sworn a oath" or something like that, made me think its a oath that binds them to odium who is then sending people out into the wider world
Oh I'm SUPER worried for stormlight 5. I'm afraid everyone we know is going to die, odium will prevail, the windrunners as a whole will be wiped out and the entire planet will be destroyed, with the survivors moving to the third planet.
The thing I find odd is that from my reading these books it seems like a Odeiam is going to lose and not like a "of course he loses his bad guy" but loses as in it's a given that's happened.
I feel like it's also possible he just gets more mixed with the rest of the shards on roshar and they stop fighting. Hoid does carry a red sphere after all. I'm not really a cosmere expert though so I don't really know.
I agree, this would be the worst Cosmere book to start on. We've been listening to the secret projects as a family, but half of them don't have many other books under their belts. I really enjoyed the pacing in this book. It reminded me of Matthew Reilly's Scarecrow books. He does Action/Thriller books that are very fast-paced that I find myself holding my breath as I read :D
It isn't a Bookborn Cosmere video without at least one uncommon pronunciation of an inworld word! I'm pretty sure the official pronunciation of Threnody is THREN-uh-dee (thren said like spren)
Personally I think that when he says he met ox on another world he means shadesmar Also with how he speaks of the oaths helping with the torment and leaving the oaths when he left roshar I think he held the dawnshard since before twok
What would make you think he held the Dawnshard before TWOK? The implications in Sunlit Man are that holding the DS impacted his relationship to his oaths and therefore his spren. Based on Sig's behavior in Stormlight 1-4, I don't see anything that would indicate previous experience with investiture, e.g. he is scientifically studying Kal's powers seemingly from a perspective of not knowing what Kal's powers would be. Maybe I am seeing this wrong?
I think he held the dawnshard after stormlight 5. If it was before TWoK, he would not have been able to fight on the shattered plains or in the war due to the torment.
The cosmere is going full Sci-Fi- fantasy... Stormlight era two to going to be completely crazy. And he was really old in this book... Huge time jump... Even from Stormlight Era two. What are you talking about! Hoid totally can skip! He's hopping around from place to place all the time! How do you think he got to yumi's world? The reason why he hasn't seen as much of the cosmere, It's because he's not constantly on the run being chased!
Yeah I mean more as in "dead eyes" then killed, but someone reminded me that that was just a weird one-time thing, and him breaking his oaths probably didn't kill his spren
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I FORGOT MY SPOILER WARNING!! This video spoils The Sunlit Man and Stormlight Archive (more heavily books 1&2). Otherwise, I talk about magic systems but nothing that would spoil other novels.
Is using the name of the book in the title of the video and on the picture ok? Brandons team is holding the name back till the 10th for the people who do not want it spoiled. I personally do not care about it but well some people probably do.
I don't think a title of a book is a spoiler once it's released (I wasn't spoiled before released! So I understand people liking to wait). I've warned people on my channel before, so they know if they come here they might see it :)@@DaVihm
It is hard to discuss this book without spoilers for the cosmere. Thank you for discussing them.
I don't think titles are spoilers.
Some of the things you missed were that the person the Cinder King killed to get his information about Roshar was a Thaylen who ostensibly would be from Roshar however this Thaylen man seems to have been from Silverlight which as we see with The Lost Metal is possible with two siblings (one on Scadrial and one on Roshar) being Silverlight Born but South Scadrian in Descent. This implies a History of Worldhopping in the The Cosmere going further back then we even realize. The place Sig Skips to in the Epilogue is heavily implied to be UTol which was the planet where the Sho Del showed up at the end of Yumi and the Nightmare Painter since the people of Komashi (their Sister Planet in the UTol System) were able to fly to UTol using a Hion powered Starship. The Scadrian researchers, while they could have had a Coinshot in the room, are heavily implied to be using Artificial Steel Pushing via Tech.
Sig met Aux in Shadesmar. The rocks that remind him of the place they met are described as "dark and glasslike. Obsidian, maybe"
I believe the planet where Sigzil lands on at the end is UTol. We saw it as the alien planet that scientists from Painter's world (Komashi) were trying to get it. It is described as a water world with only islands and no large continents and is occupied by Sho Del.
For some reason I thought it was the pure lake since it was only a few inches deep.
@@Mightyjordy No he is just on the beach. The tide level rose and that put parts of the island under water.
You’re probably right!
Sigzil mentions he has armour from both sets of oaths and his armour is made from parts of both sets
Oh wow really? I didn't catch that at all! Need to go back through this one I guess!
yeah i was looking for this comment. just to expand that means he was of at least of the fourth ideal for both the windrunners and skybreakers which is pretty insane
@@sivzzz3008 which is all the more crazier because the wind runners and skybreakers weren't always morally or philosophically aligned even before the Recreance.
@@Haxerous Yeah that's why I suspected while I was reading that there might be some way to hack the nahel bond and swear oaths that don't fit your personality/intent. It's mostly pure speculation, but the fact that Sigzil still acts pretty much according to his windrunner oaths suggests that it might be plausible.
@@sivzzz3008 there's also the thing where Aux mentions that he is also a radiant and swore oaths, and talks about how the Highspren needed to change. There are definitely some shenanigans afoot.
The Sunlit Man kind of felt like Cosmere version of Doctor Who. A guy wandering the universe shows up on a random planet with crazy stuff going on. He stays to solve the crazy problem they have. Afterward, he just moves on. The guy is very old and has a lot of experience with the technology of the universe and uses that to solve his problems (mostly). And the main conflict is caused by aliens.
Oddly, I thought Nomad mistaking Wit for Kal was interesting and had me speculating all over the place on whether this means Kal is alive or dead. It also seemed like this want the first time that has happened.
I wouldn't be surprised if something happens to make Kal live a lot longer than a normal lifespan. He's an important character in the cosmere...
so we assume ;-; @@Bookborn
That scene made me really emotional... I just think that kal dies.
@@BlackHand531 after Teft died, I figured Kaladin either has to die protecting people or replace honor...he is not going to be a hero who gets to live our his golden years playing with his grandkids...
There is actually a quote in this book that suggests Kaladin is still alive. Sigzil is talking about knowing someone who was left out in a storm and survived. He used the word "know" someone not "knew". Knowing Brandon that's intentional.
In case no one else has already mentioned it, the "Evil" on Threnody seems to be Midnight Essence based on the description provided by Nomad
Nice catch
Casual use of the word whimsy after a pause when describing the planet made me think it's connected somehow to said shard who we haven't met yet
This was a fun video, Bookborn!
I’m also very worried about SA5 now.
As for The Sunlit Man, I really, really liked all of the Threnody lore we got! That includes the Night Brigade, as you mentioned, but there was so much more than we knew before! The mountain-sized Midnight Essence manifestations of The Evil? The Shade mechanics of Threnody people? The Chorus? And the names and speech patterns were just perfect in this book.
Especially with the Epilogue part with Truth-in-Waiting and the Admiral, I feel like Brandon has now essentially all but promised us the Threnody book The Night Brigade, let’s hope he finds some time to write it!
I thought that Aux was injured quite some time after Sigzil got the Dawnshard. During some crisis (which isn't explained), Sigzil needed a ton of Investiture, and the Dawnshard just consumed his spren to get it.
I don't think breaking your Bond will create deadeyes anymore after Stormlight 5. I think was an unexpected consequence of imprisoning Ba-Ado-Mishram, and that will be resolved in SA5. Sigzil and his honorspren will probably decide to peacefully break their Bond after the conflict is resolved, but then Sigzil later Bonds a highspren. The way I read it, it sounded like he met Aux in Shadesmar, not on a planet besides Roshar.
This may be happening at about the same time as Yumi. Sigzil says that he wasn't aware that were were Sho Del outside of Yolen, and I do not believe Yumi takes place right next to Yolen. Sigzil might have landed on the same planet they discover in Yumi.
Ohhh you’re right we did discover that was a weird thing so his Spren isn’t dead eyes. Im still stressed tho 🤣🤣
And ok that makes sense if he was injured after gettin the Dawnshard. For some reason it didn’t read that way to me but I probably missed it.
I thought he ended up on utol when sunlit man ended. Sho del live on utol it is the planet next to Komashi where yumi takes place.
It can't be during Yumi, maybe right after but not during. The reason is because during Yumi then Hoid is frozen there, but in Sunlit then he was able to contact him. It is possible for it to be the same planet and maybe close to the timeline though.
@@enochkingston1183 In both, the Sho Del have presumably wooden boats, definitely in Sunlit Man, so they are probably at the same technological level.
Having read the Stormlight Archive would really enhance the experience of reading this book, if only for the emotional connection. Just seeing "Bridge Four" made me cry.
I know you probably won't read this since I'm so late to the party, but i finally read it! And I have to say I really really enjoyed it. The voice worked for me, though! And seriously, how does he keep coming up with these ideas??! Such a joy to read!
Something I just thought of how Nomad saw more of the Cosmere than Wit. Nomad has been on the run for a long time seemingly jumping from planet to planet randomly. He stays on one planet for a short time then moves on to another. Whereas Wit/Hoid says he goes wherever he's needed. He stays on planets longer. He's been on Roshar for a long time it seems, enough to have a job as the Kings Wit steadily. He's either on Scaladreal for a long time as well or pops in and out throughout. So naturally Nomad would see more in a shorter time than his old mentor.
Someone in another comment said that Brandon clarified that technically Hoid has still seen more haha so I guess our speculation doesn't matter 🤣
You are so speedy. I thought I went through it fast! I just finished reading SP #4 and didn't have to put a high quality, researched video!
Thank you for this video. I felt like I was walking through an easter egg goldmine for the entire book but I couldn't tell the difference between what I was suppose to recognize and what I had forgotten. It was a relief to realize that I hadn't forgotten as much as I thought I had!
I too am worried for Stormlight 5. So many times in reading this book I was thining "what happened on Roshar?!"
Also, did anyone else get slightly teary when Sigzil said Bridge Four at the end of the kata?
Somehow, I don’t think the big battle at the end of Stormlight 5 is gonna go very well for the heroes. It won’t be a total defeat, but maybe only narrowly avoided by some last minute desperation and/or intervention that will bear a huge cost and need the time skip to meaningfully recover from as a reprieve from the near-total defeat
Oh boy, teary-eyed? I was jumping up and down in my bed full on tears streaming! Such an amazing moment!
Not for Stormlight 5, though I do think something bad will happen. But my prediction for all of Stormlight, at 10, is that Roshar will be destroyed or at least abandoned similar to Ashyn.
I felt that Sigzil came across as a kind of Dark Hoid at the beginning, tonally. Yeah, Hoidish, but with a far more pessimistic, cynical even, feel that Hoid often accuses himself of, but doesn’t actually have. So it didn’t hit me negatively. It makes sense to me that he’d be both Hoidish and cynical, at least at the beginning, having collapsed into that while he was on the run. And how this changed and more of the Sig we know (tempered by more of the lighter, more optimistic aspects of his mentor Hoid) slowly crept out as the book progressed was beautiful.
Great video! I can’t remember if you mentioned this, but one of the Scadrians allomatically pushes Sigzil away in their base. Plus there’s a goey jar of Dor (from Elantris) that they’ve got that he wants to use to recharge himself. I thought Dor was tied to Elantris itself, so I think that was a pretty interesting thing to note.
I mentioned the Dor jar! But I missed that they pushed him while I was reading! Good catch
This was really good! I love the Cosmere, but I forgot a book as soon as I’m done reading it and videos like this are so much appreciated to explain the things I forgot. Really great job, thank you.
For Tress, Yumi and Sunlit in terms of timeline I think they're all the same Era of around Sixth of the Dusk maybe a bit afterwards. But I think could be any order given how separate they are. Each has elements that feel very advanced but I wouldn't be surprised if they were all within a few years of each other in that leading up to Era 4 timeframe.
Yeah I definitely agree on the Cosmere order of this one. The difference for me is less the number of references as the other secret projects and Lost Metal had a lot. But this one has Stormlight stuff in key narrative and character moments. Where Sigzil using his radiant powers, or recovering his oaths, and the importance of oaths in general just isn't well explained in this book it's all in Stormlight. And those aren't just cool side things like Design running the noodle shop, they're key to the narrative moments of the main character's arc this book.
I think he was in some kind of trouble at some point and he didn't have access to stormlight to power his surges and sigzil mentions that the dawnshard protects itself. So in a desperate moment the dawnshard forcefully used auxiliary to fuel sigzil surges because the spren are pure form of investiure.
And if we talk about sigzil's age . He said he is older than the greater good. And there has been some speculation that mistborn era 3 will take place around 70 years after wax and Wayne series. So it might be safe to say that this book takes place after era 3 and somewhere between mistborn era 4(the space age)
I’d also like to point out that I’m pretty sure that the world that Sig skips to at the very end of the book is the same planet that the scientists on Yumi’s planet take a rocket to halfway through that book. Both books mention this place as a primarily water world inhabited by Sho Del
I am not more sad for Stormlight 5 because I am already in the pits of despair for everyone involved
This is a much nicer comment than I expected to be receiving on this vid
Your question at the end got me thinking more about how Sunlit man compared to the other three and how I would rate it. I enjoyed all four, but, if I had to put them in order, I would say I liked Tress best, then Yumi, then Sunlit Man, and last Frugal Wizard’s Handbook. Yumi and Sunlit Man were about equal, but Yumi wins out by having more depth to it. Sunlit Man was action adventure and moved more quickly than I would have preferred. Tress maybe had an advantage by being first, but it was more than that. I love Tress, herself. I’m a sucker for that type of romance. And, I was genuinely tickled through the whole read - it just made me happy.
Love this series. Great video as always. But I must say, that pronunciation “Threnody” threw me for a loop.
With the 3 secret projects that are Cosmere related, I get the sense that Brandon is very excited to get into both space-age Cosmere as well as Cosmere mixed books, as in characters crossing over between series. I struggle with when to read this book. I think if you are into the Cosmere, it's good and bad because of all the inferred or implied or directly stated Cosmere references, but if you're not into the Cosmere, you could pick up most of what you need here with context clues. I liked Sunlit man, it definitely has me ready for anything in Stormlight 5 and beyond.
This was my favourite of the secret projects. I'm most interested in finding out about how he became a sky breaker.
I disagree with voice thing. It was shocking to see Sig so changed.
I'm also very worried about SL5. I WONDER WHAT OTHER CHARACTERS WILL BE WHs (World hoppers).
4:57 He was with aux for decades before the injury, right? Getting the dawnshard itself isnt what injured aux, it just gave sig the ability to use any investiture source and at some later date he unknowingly used aux as a source. That was my interpretation
Thank you for explaining some of the basics to help us make connections. It’s a lot.
I agree. This one for sure needs at least Stormlight. Probably Dawnshard and Shadows of Silence too, because I haven’t read those 2, and I feel like I was struggling to understand everything.
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I’m bad with theorizing and timelines and all that but wanted to comment for the algo and say thank you for the video!!
I think I actually liked this book more than most people so far, I’d give it 4.5. Idk, the pacing and emotional resonance just worked for me. Also while I see your point about it sounding like Hoid’s voice, I didn’t have that thought while reading, so it didn’t bother me. Lucky me lol
Anyway, this just makes me really excited for SA 5!! Excited to be heartbroken I guess 💔
Totally helpful to know which book the mention comes from.
Is it possible that the "other world once travelled" where sigzil met auxiliary is shadesmar?
That’s how I read it.
I'm certain that Sig had noted things that looked "obsidian" which directly prompted his thoughts about the world where he met Aux, aka Shadesmar
So timeline: Sig meets Aux in another world, but Aux doesn't get injured until Sig is desperately trying to use some source of power, and his Torment latches onto Aux as a power source. This can happen any time after Sig gets the Dawnshard, so it doesn't have to be while he has it, but only after he holds it, however briefly. This makes sense because Sig can be with Aux, running from the Night Brigade, for decades before being cornered and unconsciously drawing on him.
Sig explicitly says Hoid held the Dawnshard longer and so was affected more deeply than he was. This might mean Hoid can't use the same method to siphon off that "canker" on his soul, reducing or eliminating the Torment.
I also believe Aux mentions "us Highspren" indicating what he is, and refers to himself both as a Knight and a Hero...and he also mentions his own oaths, which implies Spren can become storming Knights Radiant?! This is...very interesting.
PS: THREN-oh-dee. It's a type of song. It comes from Threnos, meaning "wailing" and Oide meaning "song". Very appropriate for a world full of shades of the dead...
Hi there. How are you doing? Sorry I had to turn on this video and then exit so quickly but I have not read any of the stormlight archive books quite yet so I admit I was really confused when you started talking about the references there. I am about maybe a fourth to a third of the way into listening to the well of Ascension right now. So, I will have to come back and watch this once I've read the first couple books in the stormlight archive series. I'm hoping to go on to listening to the hero of Ages for the first time towards the end of this month or the very beginning of November. I'll keep you posted on what my opinions are.
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I can find the quote but what happened is that nomad gets aux, nomade gets dawnshard, years pass then something happened that left him without investiture, and the dawnshard make nomad involuntary use the only investiture available to him aka aux. It almost killed aux just leaving what we see in the book. Namad had the full aux spren for years with the dawnshard. The timeline given makes us assume that nomad gets said dawnshard between books 5 and 6 or sometime during the back half. He seems to be in lower 20s which implies it happens 15 ish years after where we are now. And if the is a 15 year time jump i think we can assume via the text we will see him take it up in the back half.
4:50 I don't have the specific quote up in front of me, so I could just be straight-up wrong, but I kinda assume that if he says just straight-up that he's been with Aux for decades, I don't think that means he was with him for decades *after becoming the Dawnshard* .... Since Aux is still kinda around, so he could just be referring to like the precious several decades of skipping from world to world. Right?
5:37 Another one to add to your list of mispronunciations! 😂😂 (Threnody is a real word, so unless I've just been unaware of an alternate pronunciation, I think this is a particularly clear-cut case of you being.... Bad at pronouncing things 🤣) /lh
8:44 Not to be the continual know-it-all, except okay maybe to continue with it a *little bit* because that's kinda the point of the video lol, but Brandon has confirmed that Wit isn't strictly right about this; he's overestimating how many world Sig has been to. He's in the top handful of most widely travelled characters across the Cosmere, but Hoid most likely still has him beat in terms of number of world visited
13:40 I think we have a decent WOB on this too, but only since the Book Club video on Brandon's channel, so not into you'd have had access to at the time lol
I don't think we know for aure that Hoid can't Skip. I wouldn't rule it out. I feel like Hoid is a bit more intentional. He tends to use perpendicularities and he has a specific quest. But we also know about his promisel/ability to be "wherever he is required" which is probably related to Skipping as we see him just kinda conveniently pop up out of nowhere.
Sigzil just wants to run wherever he can. Skipping to a random location probably makes it a lot easier to hide and be harder to track.
Finally getting around to this video. I've liked them for the previous secret projects. Took me longer to finish The Sunlit Man. Had another book I needed to finish first.
Based on my reading(listening) of the book, I got the impression that he achieved the 4th oath with 2 different spren/orders. I could be misremembering, but I thought the descriptions of the armor fragments mentioned something about them not all being one color, especially mentioning that the full set, when he was using it in this book, was not "wind spren blue". Additionally, where did you find that Aux was a High spren? I don't remember that being stated, but I could have missed it. I'm no arcanist, just wondering what I missed or if I could have heard something incorrectly.
It explicitly says he’s a high Spren near the end of the book! If you search your digital copy you’ll see it!
Ahh you’re totally right I forgot to mark that detail. So interesting he can still have armor of two different orders… much to think about
@@Bookborn ah! I figured I missed it. Thanks!
I think this book could be read as a standalone. It's a story about a guy who is always on the run so with his little nods to Roshar aren't that important to the greater story. I do wish Brandon added more context to things like when he does mention some Rosharan counties and when the Scaladreal scientist used allomancy on him and why they have an affinity for metal. Just some background stuff. Interested he hear how your dad is with this book.
I think all of the spren stuff might be hard to understand? and a lot of mentions of Kaladin/Bridge Four in important moments. However, like you said, it's just hard to tell! I know so much that I don't know if NOT knowing would affect it 😅
SPOILERS FOR Sunlit Man, Yumi, and Lost Metal -
As others have mentioned the Sho Del were mentioned in Yumi, as they were on the world that was space traveled to. Also, as others have mentioned many people believe that Sigzil skipped to that very same planet at the end of the book. The other recent mention of the Sho Del was at the end of The Lost Metal where MaLean is traveling with a Sho Del named Jan Ven in the Cognitive Realm.
I feel like we’ve been getting books heavily influenced by the wider cosmere lately. Starting (loosely) with rhythm of war and getting more and more integrated as we went on. But every book felt like it’s own book with heavy cosmere influences. This is the first book where it feels like a cosmere book. Not cosmere influenced, but a directly cosmere book. And I LOVE IT
I'm not sure it is that late... The way Sigzil thought about his friends on Roshar made it seem like some of them were still alive (at least it felt that way to me). So maybe it's more like 40-50 years than hundreds?
I think the reason Sigzil has seen more of the cosmere than Hoid is just because Hoid stays on planets for long periods of time to take part or affect the stories there, Whereas Sigzil is running from the Midnight Brigade so he only stays in a planet for very short periods of time. In The Sunlit Man he was on the planet for less than a week. So id take it decades of weekly skips would give him much more exposure to different planets than Hoid's lifestyle
I think Hoid also has a time-skipping aspect where he moves further into the future.
Interesting! he's a mistborn so he should be able to make a time bubble... i'm guessing a small cadmium and duralumin bubble might be a significant time skip option.@@danehardy1898
The physical copy of this book is gorgeous! Yumi is always going to have the best art, but this one takes the cake for best physical copy by a long shot.
I think it definitely used the gold foiling the best out of all the books
Can't watch yet, but commenting for the algorithm!
Are you starting it yet or waiting for physical copy!
@Bookborn Waiting for the physical copy! I did that with Yumi and I just loved the experience so much more.
@@aliciasorenson3807I admire you, I wanted to do it for both Yumi and SP4 but there was no way I waited once I had access to the books 😅
The thing that tripped me up is Aux is repeatedly referrred to as being a Knight Radiant who "never betrayed his oaths" in his past. We know from WoB that Threnodite shades can be bonded similar to the Nahel bond, and so my best guess is that Aux is the cognitive shadow of Szeth, because if anybody would grant the power of a Skybreaker and never betray his oaths, it would be Szeth because that boy is hardcore.
And let's not forget it takes the equivalent of the Ninth Heightening (20,000 Breaths) to either skip offworld or Awaken steel, both of which are things present in Sunlit Man. Holy Investiture Batman that is a ton of power.
I agree that there is a good bit of "assumption of knowledge" for the Stormlight books in this novel. I think a reader would be confused without having read through Rhythm of War first.
This book was real treat for the cosmere fans
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1. I believe Brandon has said that Hoid was exaggerating when he said to Zellion “you’ve seen more of the Cosmere than me.” Zellion has seen different plants than Hoid because he doesn’t need a perpendicularity, but he hasn’t seen more of the actual Cosmere than Hoid has.
2. We’ve also now discovered (unless people knew before) how exactly Hoid is immortal. Zellion outright said that Hoid cannot die due to the length of time he’s held the Dawnshard.
3. I don’t believe it’s been hundreds of years. He said multiple times that he can’t go back to Roshar because he would lead the Night Brigade back to “people who love him.” Unless everyone who knew him became immortal, there is no way it’s been over 100 years. Also, the Stormlight time skip is only supposed to be around 15 years, so if this is that far in the future (hundreds of years) it is WAY past even SA 10.
There are 2 things that I had issues with in this book. 1 was Elegy. Her arc felt very rushed and a bit forced, and I just wasn’t that interested in reading her perspective (thankfully she didn’t have that much page time). 2 was just the improbability of Zellion not thinking about the events of SA5 once. Obviously Brandon can’t make him think about that for spoiler reasons, but we were in his head almost the entire time. It probably would have been better if this book came out AFTER SA5 so that we can hear his perspective on it rather than glossing over everything to avoid spoilers.
Overall, I’d give this book a solid 4.2 out of 5. It was a fabulous book in terms of Cosmere mentions and was essentially made for us fans who have read everything. That “Chasm Kata” and finishing “Bridge Four”….. chills. Very solid book and every Cosmere fan who has at least read SA 1-4 should read it.
It’s had to have been hundred of years though. When Sigzil is alive in SA, the tech advancements haven’t been made. I also found it curious the comment about his friends - we have more immortals OR he’s talking about different people perhaps?
I totally agree with the Elegy arc feels soo rushed. That’s why I always want these to be longer 🤣
@@Bookborn but he always says “decades” when discussing past events. Not “centuries.” Also, When he pointed out how old he was to Rebeke, he said he was older than the 3 old women. Not WAY older, just older. Maybe the tech advancements happen really fast. We know that Mistborn era 2 is between SA 5 and 6, and their tech is increasing at a rapid pace. Maybe the shards get more active in giving people tech due to Autonomy’s conquest desires. Idk, the timeline is really confusing. I wish Brandon’s books came out in timeline order, would be much easier to follow.
I agree we need a timeline. It is going to get really confusing otherwise.
@@s.p.8508 Sigzil says that people have been playing around with spaceflight for about 100 years, we also know that in MB era 3, Scadrial will be similar to 1980s earth tech wise, if Sigzal is early 20s now (RoW) and there is the proposed 15 year time gap between SA5 and SA6 then Sigzal will likely receive the dawnshard during SA6-10 at age 38, as he implies in the book. If MB era 3 is 50 years SA era 2, then that makes Sigzal 58. Add another 100 years onto that and Sigzal is 158, in general I think Sigzal is anywhere between 120-200 years old
I just realised I spelt his name wrong through this whole comment, *Sigzil 😂
UTol was fairly widely known by the time Hoid told SP3. Hence SP4 cannot be later than Hoid telling SP3 as Sigzil does not know that there is a world Sho Del settle on.
Ooh do you feel like UTol was well known? I felt like it was just because Hoid knew stuff.
@@Bookborn Hoid straight up says in the epilogues that he suspects that his audience knows that system for other reasons than his story.
I need to see your Dad's review of the book. Because I hear everyone say Stormlight is a must before you read Sunlit man.
The fact that Sigzil thinks he sees Kal at one point makes me think Kal is still alive at the time of this book.
Where do we find out cultivation is a dragon? I don't remember reading about that in any of the stormlight archive books
The way I interpreted where Sigzil met Aux was Shadesmar? Or somewhere in the Rosharan Shadesmar?
2:24 I don't that he killed/abandoned his windbreaker spren and oaths. It's the skybreaker oath that he abandoned by walking away from Roshar.
3:56 I think it alludes to Shadesmar. If you further on.. it says along the line of the world of black rock surface or something ...
4:43 Kal is 19 - 20' ish in the first half of the SA. As for Sig he was already a failed scholar, taken as apprentice by Wit and travelled some years with him, I think. So I would say he is in late twenties in the SA first half.
7:44 It is always hinted that Hoid had Downshard in the past in earlier books, but on this one Sig says he is a chain, and they would find Hoid. So does he hold it now or not. yeah 9:07.
11:56 Also when they name Sig, Zillion they say it is foreign word and their first lodestar was named that. But Sig recognise it as a Yolen world. And is it just me or anyone else wonder that if Wit was their first lodestar. Then again he does not interfere with the planet politics untill it benefit in his, well whatever his end goal is.
I didn't think he killed his Honorspren either, but Aux says, "You threw out your conscience years ago, I know, though I never had a chance to meet her." I think he's talking about Sig's Honorspren. So he probably didn't bond both at once, but whether or not his other spren died, who knows?
Did Sigzel get explicitly say he killed his honor spren? I didn’t hear that and thought it was possible a bondsmith may have relieved him of the oath rather than him killing his spren, especially bc I theorize the deadeyes may recover in the future
My understanding is he carried the Dawnshard for a while. At some point while carrying the Dawnshard he done messed up and used some of Aux to fuel the Dawshard, causing the injury. We don't know how long between obtaining the Dawnshard and injuring Aux.
(Super speculation starts here) I think hurting Aux is what kicked off the abandoning the Dawnshard and his oaths, starting this long run we find him in the middle of.
I think that’s good speculation though and makes sense with the wider story. It seems the consensus is Aux was injured some time after getting the dawnshard and it as he got it, so that makes the timeline make way more sense to me
My sister has read Stormlight up through Stormlight 4 and Mistborn but only Era 1 and not Dawnshard nor Shadows for Silence. I’m curious to see what she thinks (and what your Dad thinks! - that could be a mini video in my book!)
When Sizgzil was remembering where he had met Aux, I believe the word "obsidian" was used and I took that to mean that he met Aux in shadesmar.
It's apparent from this book the rules of Radiants and spren and their relationship to their host are about to radically change in Wind and Truth. Unless I am misremembering, Sigzil is the dead spren's squire, not the other way around.
It is very helpful!!!!
My only gripe is that we don't fully know why Sigzil is like the way he is now. So it was hard to follow the character arc because i couldn't fully appreciate where he is coming from. Would be interesting to reread this in 20 years after SA10
I think this book walks the spoiler line really well. We got enough that it feels almost like a spoiler for SA5, but not enough that we can predict everything. I was a little worried too much would be spoiled.
I feel like it was the perfect mix, personally. But it won’t be everyone’s cup of tea for sure. I love the mystery of it all and am even more excited/scared for SA5 now.
@@beyondredemption5369 For sure, loved all the stuff that you mentioned. I just feel like I can't fully appreciate what's being done without the gaping hole that is the rest of SA being filled in (or at least SA 5).
Yes that was my main gripe with the book. Like we're being kept at an arm's length. Will be interesting to revisit this after SA5 to see if it's any clearer then.
OMG Santa-cle! 🎅🎅🎅
Does anyone else think that the planet at the end is the same planet where the Shodel were as seen in Yumi?
This book left me super concerned about what’s coming in Stormlight 5, but also the Cosmere at large given the Night Brigade, and how they use Shades, and their method for weaponizing Shades having (to my recollection) only shown up once, in a specific character.
May be tying red strings to wrong spots or forgetting things. But yeah, this book has me concerned.
I feel like sixth of the dusk is the latest in the cosmere based on the unpublished reading of sotd2 that brandon did a while back (unless that has been retconned since)
What chapter does Nomad say "Bridge Four" again?
I completely missed that Aux was a high spren. Where did that come up in the book?
It’s mentioned once! If you search highspren in the digital copy you’ll find it!
Hoid say Sigzil that must have travelled to more places than himself. There is WoB by Brandon that this most likely not true and it's more of Hoid overestimating Sigzil's Skipping. But Hoid tends to stay in a place lot longer, because he can hide a lot better than Sigzil does so it makes sense why Hoid would think that would be the case.
I tried to talk my bother out of reading Sunlit before Stormlight, but he keeps putting off Way of Kings because of the pagecount.
I am pretty sure the "what oaths" was meant to say that he had no more active. He had broke them all
Has Sanderson put out any type of 'official' pronounciation guides on the names of people/places in the Cosmere? Seems every video I see has someone saying things differently. Scadrial (sc-ADD-rial vs sc-AID-rial) and Threnody (THREnody vs threNODy) are two I distinctly heard differently on this video.
Nope! And according to 17th shard he says say it how you like. That being said, in general, never listen to my pronunciation of absolutely anything
Oh and he is centuries old at this point in my guessing he broke the oaths some time after the shard nearly killed Aux. No idea how long he had it. He just mentioned he didnt carry it as long as Hoid
Just about the only thing we know about the Noght Brigade is that they keep Shades around as weapons. Coincidentally, our only Theondry story is about *SPOILERS* a bounty hunter who keeps her grandmother's shade around as a weapon. Somehow doubt that is a coincidence.
definitely wouldnt read it without reading rhythm first. I viewed as an actual stormlight novella, its not following the plot but it does fit into it all
help this is making me more worried for stormlight 5
Exactly. EXACTLY!!! 😭😭😭
Sunlit man made me think odium wins the contest of champions . the line "have you sworn a oath" or something like that, made me think its a oath that binds them to odium who is then sending people out into the wider world
I think that Sigzil saying he met Aux on another world meant Shadesmar. I might be wrong though
The other world wher met auxiliary can jusyybe shadesmar or Ashyn (becayhw mentioned going there)
Oh I'm SUPER worried for stormlight 5. I'm afraid everyone we know is going to die, odium will prevail, the windrunners as a whole will be wiped out and the entire planet will be destroyed, with the survivors moving to the third planet.
Not sure if it's mentioned in the comments, the Night Brigade is the Dusk Brigade renamed, since a character is named Dusk.
The thing I find odd is that from my reading these books it seems like a Odeiam is going to lose and not like a "of course he loses his bad guy" but loses as in it's a given that's happened.
I feel like it's also possible he just gets more mixed with the rest of the shards on roshar and they stop fighting. Hoid does carry a red sphere after all. I'm not really a cosmere expert though so I don't really know.
I don’t think Sig met Aux somewhere else. I think when it says “another world where he traveled”, he’s referring to traveling Roshar as a Worldsinger
I understood it as Shadesmar. The rocks that remind him of the place they met are described as black and glasslike & obsidian
I agree, this would be the worst Cosmere book to start on. We've been listening to the secret projects as a family, but half of them don't have many other books under their belts.
I really enjoyed the pacing in this book. It reminded me of Matthew Reilly's Scarecrow books. He does Action/Thriller books that are very fast-paced that I find myself holding my breath as I read :D
Great video! Your pronunciation of Threnody injures my soul however
It isn't a Bookborn Cosmere video without at least one uncommon pronunciation of an inworld word! I'm pretty sure the official pronunciation of Threnody is THREN-uh-dee (thren said like spren)
I think Hoid can also skip, Sigzil has been on the run so by necessity has seen more worlds.
Could he have met Aux in Shadesmar?
Sunlit Man is kind of a .5 in the Stormlight Series. After which one, time will only tell.
With the amount of time that's supposed to have passed it feels long after SA
Personally I think that when he says he met ox on another world he means shadesmar
Also with how he speaks of the oaths helping with the torment and leaving the oaths when he left roshar I think he held the dawnshard since before twok
What would make you think he held the Dawnshard before TWOK? The implications in Sunlit Man are that holding the DS impacted his relationship to his oaths and therefore his spren. Based on Sig's behavior in Stormlight 1-4, I don't see anything that would indicate previous experience with investiture, e.g. he is scientifically studying Kal's powers seemingly from a perspective of not knowing what Kal's powers would be. Maybe I am seeing this wrong?
yeah I don't think it's possible he could've held the dawnshard before tWoK because he wasn't a radiant before he met Kal
I think he held the dawnshard after stormlight 5. If it was before TWoK, he would not have been able to fight on the shattered plains or in the war due to the torment.
i think breandon said hoid lied to sigzil when he told him sigzil had seen more of the cosmere than him
The cosmere is going full Sci-Fi- fantasy... Stormlight era two to going to be completely crazy. And he was really old in this book... Huge time jump... Even from Stormlight Era two.
What are you talking about! Hoid totally can skip! He's hopping around from place to place all the time! How do you think he got to yumi's world? The reason why he hasn't seen as much of the cosmere, It's because he's not constantly on the run being chased!
Thre “nahdy”??
We do not know that Cultivation is a dragon. It’s a theory!!!
Without further _todo_?
I do not believe he killed his honorspren and it was more likely that his honorspren was destroyed similar to Tefts.
Yeah I mean more as in "dead eyes" then killed, but someone reminded me that that was just a weird one-time thing, and him breaking his oaths probably didn't kill his spren