How to Choose the Best Bike Size for You | The NERO Show Ep. 89

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  • @Sweetskis
    @Sweetskis 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +171

    THE #1 cycling podcast. THE only cycling podcast that holds its speed, just begs to be ridden out of the saddle and has the kind of aero you can SEE!

    • @amf1990
      @amf1990 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      It’s stiff AND compliant too!

    • @gamecat1923
      @gamecat1923 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's bombproof!

    • @Sweetskis
      @Sweetskis 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@amf1990 There is a compliancy to the stiffness of the NERO Show!

    • @mrwezbo
      @mrwezbo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      THE #1 cycling podcast. THE only cycling podcast that holds your attention, just begs to be watched at 1x speed and has the kind of controversy you can HEAR!

    • @ChrisMillerCycling
      @ChrisMillerCycling  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ❤❤❤❤❤ Thanks guys. Super pumped for what we can get to you over the next 10 days.

  • @Sweetskis
    @Sweetskis 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Glad to see Pinarello get some credit for keeping a top spec rim brake option available in the market. They also are continuing to offer several more (or double) the size offerings as other brands. Sure they are asking a mint for their top spec bikes but they aren’t pocketing all the cash. They are investing in offering the market things other brands aren’t.

  • @tomnicolson1256
    @tomnicolson1256 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Usually listen on Spotify but came here to say this: thankyou for pointing out how dodgy neo world is and how it’s just the wrong audience for a gambling company. You’re both doing the best for cycling and love that you just speak your mind

  • @emilegoguely4032
    @emilegoguely4032 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    Chris is an animal for essentially trying to guess stack & reach by considering angles and heights over reading what the stack & reach is 😂

    • @checkoutmygregs
      @checkoutmygregs 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The main failing of stack and reach is that they only refer to what is happening in front of the bottom bracket,'. 'If two frames have the same measured reach but one has a slacker seat tube angle [putting the seat further back], that creates additional reach, which isn't taken into account.

    • @MrKipperfish
      @MrKipperfish 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ETT minus Reach. But saddle position is adjustable fore and aft which changes effective ST angle. ​@@checkoutmygregs

  • @johnnywangcycles6410
    @johnnywangcycles6410 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    Geometry geeks is very good but bike insights is also worth a mention, it gives you the overlay of bike frames compared plus measurements.

    • @thrawed
      @thrawed 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Absolutely, bike insights is amazing, although I do wish they let you compare more than 2 bikes at the same time

    • @jamiefarrell6496
      @jamiefarrell6496 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Helped me choose my new ride!

    • @markr6383
      @markr6383 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I like velogicfit because you can enter stem length and angle plus height of spacers and it will tell you where the bars end up. Great for seeing what stem/spacer combo you'll need on a new frame to match your current bike.

    • @taxi9554
      @taxi9554 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thrawedyou can add more than two bikes to compare…

    • @Kivharo
      @Kivharo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@taxi9554I believe you - I certainly don’t know how to do it though. Lol

  • @beauk7679
    @beauk7679 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    "what's the reach done for me lately?" 😂

  • @leslie7922
    @leslie7922 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This is the only cycling podcast that doesn't give me saddle sores

  • @Ballacks101
    @Ballacks101 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    “People really over complicate getting a bike the right size” followed by 20 minutes chat on reach, stack, extra large is actually a large, seat tube angle, spacers, top tube, geometry charts, head tube size, front ends etc.

    • @TK-nc3ou
      @TK-nc3ou 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah. I mean the size of top tube is really enough. The most important thing is to know what is too big for you because there is nothing worse than a too large bike. Then you have like 4-5cm to aork with on a saddle and stem. Just dont go too big because it will feel awkard

  • @jamesrowe4861
    @jamesrowe4861 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I love the honesty with which you guys deliver this channel, such a rare and refreshing thing these days. Keep it up legends. 👍🏻

  • @paulgrubits7449
    @paulgrubits7449 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I also rode the Devils Cardigan (Masters 7 60-64), there is one word i didn't hear once in your summary of the event, FUN. I had an absolute ball, awesome weather, excellent surface and a great "vibe".
    Chris, i said hi at the rego on Friday 😃

  • @stuart3901
    @stuart3901 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Your tires are faster Chris, I find that Cade does not do much research before their podcast. You guys Rock!

    • @jonasha8712
      @jonasha8712 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I find it annoying that Jimmy seems to read everything from a script, at least it sounds like that

    • @merckxy54
      @merckxy54 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jonasha8712 Its due to his size, he is only small 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @martinhudobivnik5895
    @martinhudobivnik5895 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    If you want to know why there's so many good cyclists from Slovenia, you should come and ride here. Of course don't forget to bring your gravel bikes alongside!

  • @Cycle.every.day.
    @Cycle.every.day. 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    If Pros are between sizes they'll go down , but that reverses at club or beginner level,they'll often go up.

  • @robbchastain3036
    @robbchastain3036 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Gravel seems to me to be off-road fondos, a nice addition to road fondos and something adventurous and fun and challenging. And most people have to get back to work after the weekend and gravel facilitates that, maybe a little blood and dirt and tears but generally not the risk of high-speed asphalt races, thrilling but dangerous and real life doesn't really accommodate crashes and time-off for recovery. And epic to hear, Chris, that you will be joining Shane for a big Tour of Frankfurt! Show us everything and talk with everyone and hopefully get out on bikes and ride through the countryside, get lost on the roads in the Taunus Mountains. :)

  • @glenndesmo3
    @glenndesmo3 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Chris, great summary of your gravel experience.
    As an Australian living in the California it’s been fascinating to see the rise of gravel in the past 5 years and very much reminds me of evolution of XC Racing/ events and MTB.
    I would encourage the view that it doesn’t matter what style of bike anyone rides.. it’s not good or bad it’s just different, but we are all cycling that’s the main point.
    My local bike shop is seeing Gravel outselling road 5:1 and events are getting bigger and very well organised. My wife and I recently competed at Finland Gravel - super fun 4 day event and have Steamboat and Mammoth Tuff also on our race list. We also ride our road bikes on the weekends in Bay Area.
    Not everyone has access to great road rides living in large urban cities, and the events are super fun and cater to all groups and we all know the right number of bikes is N+1.
    Lastly the price point of the average Gravel bike is also more accessible vs. super bike which is probably also a factor in the increased adoption

  • @joelilton1649
    @joelilton1649 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Neo pro came and took the photo of the Trek bike in the store that I work at - they came in, took the photo and left, didn’t really ask anyone as ‘head office’ had approved them. A bit disappointing considering they claim to be a community brand.

  • @oisin-m4z
    @oisin-m4z 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    What bothers me is the brands never (usually) include the integrated headset topcap or required cable guides in their stack measurements

    • @davidgeorge9233
      @davidgeorge9233 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nor do they state how many spacers the bike will come with, some it’s 30mm others it’s 40mm etc

    • @RookYZRM1
      @RookYZRM1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yup, you’d be looking for “fit stack” instead of “frame stack”, specialized lists fit stack on most of their upper end frames but a lot of brands only list frame stack.

  • @paulsampson9047
    @paulsampson9047 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks

  • @abhimawa1
    @abhimawa1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great episode.
    1:23:39 when Chris closed the gap on the most avoided section by most cyclist aka climbing, then it was the proof. Chris can roll out his power more efficiently
    1:27:11 precisely what I thought; I’d try deeper wheels. Cadex 50 Ultra
    I have learnt that numbers may not accurately represent in some scenarios.

  • @GCPerformance18
    @GCPerformance18 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    That pinarello footage was premium!! I thought that was a Micheal bay production ;)

    • @ChrisMillerCycling
      @ChrisMillerCycling  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      … that guy is the Spielberg of cycling content ❤

  • @whitt5676
    @whitt5676 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The biggest thing about the sponsor chat with off-road riders is that there are no or much more smaller teams. This means riders shop around for the best deals, and brands are more likely to be on board to sponsor one rider who battles for the win instead of 11 or so guys. Also, because these events involve more mass participation, more of the cycling community sees these riders and watches them race. The elite end integrates more with the lower ends of the road cycling.
    Races like the Shifty-50 Series in Vic is a prime example of this. It's a 50km mtb xc race where everyone starts simultaneously, and you race against the pros. You see them, and they are way more relatable because you have just raced the same race as them. Then they hang around afterwards saying simple things like a good job and well done builds a stronger connection with riders across the different skill levels.

    • @GordonChaffin
      @GordonChaffin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I like this philosophy. For 100 meters, I can be within eyeshot of Lachlan Morton's wheel.

  • @leeparsons1994
    @leeparsons1994 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Gravel Nationals? Sounds like a Gran Fondo to me.

  • @DickSpencer1954
    @DickSpencer1954 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Miller! Excellent job with the Silver medal!

  • @lincolnlu9869
    @lincolnlu9869 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    25:05 I've always wanted to know the actual measurement between chain stays so i can decide how big of a tire i want to squeeze in there. This is especially relevant for gravel bikes.

  • @DanMehlig
    @DanMehlig 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I and a lot of my friends enjoy gravel specifically because of the skill component, racing puts it on another level.

  • @swites
    @swites 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Jesse is just psyching himself out. Jesse would be fine on a gravel course. Just have to practise a bit and get a feel for what the bike can handle . Just go the widest chunkiest grippiest tyre you can find if really rough. And take your time in your "comfort zone speed" on the descents until u build up confidence.

    • @jeffservaas
      @jeffservaas 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gravel descending is a skill, just like road descending. More practice, more confidence, less tense, faster times. Hard to jump on a gravel bike once a month and stay with guys riding gravel all the time. A bit like the guys that mostly ride Zwift. They have the watts, but need outside practice to tune in the handling skills.

  • @lizhengzhang
    @lizhengzhang 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    congrats to Chris.
    the level of this ep is so high. best cycling podcast

  • @cornelhughes6763
    @cornelhughes6763 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Agree that reach and stack are the two most important. However seatpost length and seat tube Centre to Top are also important to determine whether the bike may be too small

  • @chrisrouisse1690
    @chrisrouisse1690 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Congratulations on making it more than 5 kilometers in your second gravel race. And actual congratulations on the silver medal!!

  • @Antoine_Frs
    @Antoine_Frs 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I look at the effective top tube, head tube height, seat tube angle and also seat tube length as I have very small legs. This gives me the position of the bars relative to the saddle, stack and reach give the position of the bars relative to the BB. I aim for 100 mm stem as a minimum, and a not too long head tube to be able to run the stme slammed or near enough. I also check HT angle and wheelbase to have a hint about the handling.

  • @holderbert9368
    @holderbert9368 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The reason i run 28s and not bigger is because i recenlty jumped on the hype train and run 5000 TT all year now and that they only make them up to 28. They acutally last almost just as long and hardly ever puncture compared to the 5000 STR. Might be placebo but they feel significally faster.

    • @Eirikkinserdal
      @Eirikkinserdal 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Well they are very fast

  • @ryangolder705
    @ryangolder705 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I’ve literally just been going through the process of working out what size I would be in a different bike. Thinking of going from a 52 Emonda to a 54 S5 which could work for me. Just don’t want any spacers on a S5.
    Also you’re bang on with Trek reducing their number of sizes. Don’t be surprised if the new Madone has less sizes than before…

    • @paulhooper9278
      @paulhooper9278 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Looks like they've moved to S,M,L,XL sizing rather than going up in 2 cm top tube increments

  • @againthebegin
    @againthebegin 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good coversation on gravel. I would add that road was slowly dyng well before the gravel (as we know it) got started. So it seems like the choices are gravel racing, or not much else for roadie type stuff. Where I'm at we probalby have just 15-20 percent of the road / crit events we did 20 years ago. But there are well-attended gravel things. Spot on though with some of the courses being far too technical and terrorizing for a roadie with middling skills. Those courses also feel a lot less like road racing, tactics don't come into play much.

  • @Frandaman84
    @Frandaman84 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the best bike podcast hands down easily, minimal fluff and all honest. Jessie is based elite❤

  • @RyonBeachner
    @RyonBeachner 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Pinarello’s tire clearance callout is VERY conservative. I’m running a measured 32.75 (marked as 30 mm, on a 25 mm internal) on a Dogma F that has a stated max of 28 with ~3 mm clearance per side with helicopter tape on the frame.

  • @BenjaminTolhurst
    @BenjaminTolhurst 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Watched TdF Unchained on Netflix and was thinking why the hell didn’t they use footage from the Nero Show?!? I was a bit gutted for you guys as it would have been pretty awesome and it was very on point. Bugger about the audio. Keep up the good work boys

  • @44boowee
    @44boowee 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I want tire pressure chat. You are tubless right? Those Pirelli Cinturato M are my jam. I love them. I have never heard of more air is better. I weigh 86 and I run 28 or 29 psi on the front and 30 to 32 psi in the back. Zero flats ever.

  • @mysho6317
    @mysho6317 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    CONGRATS Chris on the Gravel Silver. Glad You gave it a try and Your comments were instructive. Good on You😎
    Gravel vs Road is like Apples vs Oranges. They are just different - full stop. There is also a range of "gravel" conditions.
    The one You did looked at least a level 3 (out of 4). Mountain biker would be much more comfortable on that than a Roadie
    who would excel on a Level 1 (hard packed dirt & pebbles) maybe even Level 2. After trying all four levels, I much rather stay on 1 and maybe 2 if I'm feeling
    frisky.
    It's fun riding both Road & Gravel with the right bike setup, good weather and road conditions that match an individual's preference.

  • @eto2352
    @eto2352 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good on Jesse for calling out NEOPRO's scam!

  • @lairdgallagher3620
    @lairdgallagher3620 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    18:27 Slovenia also has the #1 GOAT female sport climber Janja Garnbret

    • @P4P5
      @P4P5 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Add Tim Gajser as well

  • @Highway_95
    @Highway_95 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Five years ago this month I picked up a new gravel bike (Diverge) on a Wednesday and then raced (and won) a 50 mile gravel race 3 days later. Haven't been tempted to enter a gravel race again. It seemed like the worst parts of road riding and mountain biking rolled into one. I still have the Diverge. I ride it a couple times each fall for local CX races.

  • @DelroyCraig
    @DelroyCraig 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Getting out my protractor and measuring tube angles is my preferred method

  • @amf1990
    @amf1990 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m curious if you think air density makes a difference with the TCR and laps in centennial park? Have you a/b’d the TCR and S5 in centennial in the winter? Like are you comparing your speeds on the S5 during the summer to TCR in the winter?
    And I’m saying this more in terms of the full system including the rider - not just the bike’s aerodynamics.
    Side note - big fan of the show - have been following for years

  • @BMD8
    @BMD8 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Based on geometry geeks, I got a bianchi oltre xr4 rim to replace an argon 18 nitrogen and the reach is much longer, even using exact same handlebars, so beware of seat setback hidden measurements. luckily the seatpost on the bianchi has a reversible clamp, but i'm now very forward over the bb (not an issue for me coincidentally). The published geometry for chosen sizes said minorly higher stack and shorter reach.

  • @OldDavo1950
    @OldDavo1950 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Back in the steel days, 73degree parallel was the stock go to. 74degree parallel was for sprinters, 74 degree seat and 73degree head was for climbers. Plus a shorter wheelbase gave a better climb performance. Now its all over the place, and you need a bike fitter to get you right. Ah the good old days was easy.

    • @ivanyhtang
      @ivanyhtang 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting. But does 73 degrees head give shorter or longer wheel base than 74 degrees head?

    • @OldDavo1950
      @OldDavo1950 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ivanyhtang The shorter wheelbase was got from shorter chainstays, or the fork trail. Which is more tricky owing to stability issues at speed. The death wobble.

  • @roberthealey6820
    @roberthealey6820 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Maybe we’ll bump into you at EuroBike Chris! Hell of a show you both have here - a winner all the way.

  • @byrnze1710
    @byrnze1710 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I might be wrong but I vaguely remember reading that there is an ISO standard that there needs to be at least a 4mm gap between the max tyre width and frame/fork for safety reasons.

  • @mrwezbo
    @mrwezbo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Agree JC on the neoworld rubbish completely, it's a shame really. What if they did "we will take 5% cut, winner gets $10k bike and the rest goes to charity which we will be transparent about"?
    CM great job on the gravel result keep it up mate.

  • @vadouvan
    @vadouvan 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi Chris,
    That's very exciting that the Nero Show had an opportunity to be part of Unchained Season 2. I hope you get more opportunities in upcoming seasons of the Netflix series.
    For reference, Netflix requires the master files, for all Netflix Original Series, be delivered in the highest quality possible (Dolby Atmos + Vision) to them by the production companies. In the Netflix content delivery pipeline, they will then down mix the streams if necessary based on the playback capabilities of the receiving device and subscription type (premium vs regular).
    If you use Pro Tools or Logic Pro for audio mixing, you can use the built in Dolby Atmos Renderer.

    • @ChrisMillerCycling
      @ChrisMillerCycling  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Working on stepping up the production when we get back from EB. Thanks for the advice mate

  • @andrewmccann331
    @andrewmccann331 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great content once again guys, keep up the good work. In light of the ongoing cancellation/removal of Fondo’s and road races etc that you both have mentioned previously, may I suggest reaching out and interviewing someone like a James Yaffa on your show? As someone who appreciates the opportunity to both race and ride in Fondo’s such as the Snowy Classic, I would greatly appreciate the opportunity to understand what the driving factors are behind the removal of these events and what can be done to turn the tide

  • @XXXENOWRAITHXX
    @XXXENOWRAITHXX 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think that the reach figure is weird because it is based on the distance from the BB vs were the rider is siting. So I'd think the best approach is to look at the effective top tube for the reach, but the stack figure is a bit of a better measurement for how high or low the handlebars would be.

  • @maxsievers8251
    @maxsievers8251 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My custom road bike has 42 mm tyres. I'm planning on an all-road bike with 54 mm tyres. Both bikes could be considered gravel bikes but I need those big tyres just for asphalt roads. There are tram tracks, stock grids and potholes. I don't want to be bothered by this. And occasionally I ride on a gravel mountain road.

    • @michaelmechex
      @michaelmechex 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have just built a gravel bike with 54mm tires last week. Do it, I'm blown away with how well it rides

  • @ColinSmith2001
    @ColinSmith2001 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Gravel vs.... scariest thing i ever did was my first crit, where there was a mass flatout pile up of folk in the barriers on the first corner that had to be ambulanced off, while we waited to restart... :S
    Gravel risks are more under my own control..... or maybe it' comes down to what you are used to? ;-)

  • @timwolf2215
    @timwolf2215 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Well said about neo pro Jesse. I think it is a fantastic entry level kit store but as you said this is ridiculous

    • @brettoau84
      @brettoau84 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agree, I actually like their kit for the price. Own multiple of their bibs and jerseys which I use for regular solo or muddy rides, then save the few premium items I own for bigger group rides or events

  • @jesseschenendorf2896
    @jesseschenendorf2896 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve been dabbling in gravel and I do feel like it has improved my road riding

  • @happywolfie1980
    @happywolfie1980 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I think the bike brands which has most to lose are the brands that are not being ridden on the tour. You guys should give your thoughts on whether brands like BMC etc are rip-offs for pricing their top tier bikes like the other premium brands when they don't spend marketing budget on sponsoring a WT team.

    • @DanielRey-o8f
      @DanielRey-o8f 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      One of my friends has been a bike mechanic for years and owns his own shop now. I asked him a couple of years ago what he thought the best frame was and he immediately said "BMC". He didn't even sell them but he had built a few, and said that their fit and finish and precision were top notch, just made them easy to build and easy to service in comparison to most others. I'm sure they're over-priced anyway, but so is everything.

    • @JustSueMe
      @JustSueMe 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's only this year that BMC didn't sponsor WT team, they only sponsored Tudor Pro Team. They're likely going to be back on WT in the future.

  • @htukmumfie
    @htukmumfie 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    just a thought.......sram and shimano choose to throw everything at gravel because parts ware out quicker and you get a better turnover overall. 105 and ultegra run for years with regular chain swaps and cleaning

  • @robredpath9860
    @robredpath9860 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great Episode Lads, Really finding your groove on here!

  • @gravelDave
    @gravelDave 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Its the head tube angle and seat tube angles effect on reach which always confuses me when comparing geo

  • @speedsociety9177
    @speedsociety9177 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I believe road bikes still come with 28s for the same reasons most still come with 40mm handlebars. It takes a while until these trends get picked up completely because they also have to look at what the average customer wants and those might think that fat tires are slow and don't belong on a road bike.

  • @wertacus
    @wertacus 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hilariously, the algorithm has been serving me the show reliably for ages, and I didn't know I was not subscribed until you made a big fit about it 😂😅

  • @gregkane8635
    @gregkane8635 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What about sticking a set of deeper rims on the tcr like 50 or more would that help it? And if they’re still pretty light you wouldn’t loose much on the weight

  • @bernardo9202
    @bernardo9202 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ski jumping is huge in those parts of the world and Pimoz was a junior world champion, so that brings him to a huge scale, also his consecutive wins in La Vuelta, before, the prodigy Tadej is, hitting the ground running and beating him in the TDF 21

  • @SWAGolfChannel
    @SWAGolfChannel 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    100% NeoWorld is a scam. They're two young entrepreneurs who've done well with their brand, have gained exposure to modern business practices, and are jumping on the trend to scam people out of a subscription fee for something they won't use or win. Poor form. Unsubscribe from NeoPro. Subscribe to the Nero Show. Ride in peace.

  • @sleesonphoto
    @sleesonphoto 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Tyre width Vs rim width is really big for aero. It's not as simple as wider is better
    It can certainly be a lot slower on the wrong rim

    • @matkrek
      @matkrek 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Peak torque speaks a lot about this

    • @mysho6317
      @mysho6317 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup, internal & External width......so many stock wheels & aftermarket (surprisingly) are narrow external which works against aero benefits of
      wider tires

    • @kellrockets101
      @kellrockets101 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@mysho6317 usually people riding on stock rims ain't even paying attention or probably care at that point.
      One of the reasons I always build up frames so i can put on wheels n components I actually want and optimize how I want to ride

  • @colevevelo
    @colevevelo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    1.5 hr podcast + 1.5 hr ride on the trainer = paradise

    • @BrianRPaterson
      @BrianRPaterson 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Excellent observation!

  • @JeremyDawesJezweb
    @JeremyDawesJezweb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A major factor I would think is inability of police to approve rides on public roads with cars in Australia. It is very difficult to meet their risk mitigation requirements. Off road events are not faced with quite the same level of challenge. First encountered this about 15 years ago with Lake Macquarie area command saying that they would not approve any future version of loop the lake that included road segments where cyclists had to mingle with cars. It killed the event. Either you had to have massive rides with closed roads like the gong ride or else you have to be on cycle ways.

    • @paulhooper9278
      @paulhooper9278 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The gong ride though is on still open roads with a lane closed, I wonder if the charity aspect of that ride has a bearing on the police' decision? The Snowy classic is on fully closed roads (rolling closures) so maybe it's the case of enough residents not being able to get out of their driveways for a large part of the day objecting? It would be great to know what aspect of the organising has driven up costs so much as to make it unviable to continue, my guess would be insurance (like everything else these days). Regardless, it's sad to see another fondo killed off, especially what seemed like such a successful one, albeit nowhere near the numbers of the Bowral classic. 😢

    • @JeremyDawesJezweb
      @JeremyDawesJezweb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paulhooper9278 interesting to know, ive not ridden it sorry; a closed lane that is carefully controlled is probably an acceptable compromise but it's not without risk. Resident complaints im sure would be a factor, it was from my experience something that even proactively managed someone ends up complaining they were late to something or whatever. As it was put to us at the time approx, the moment someone gets hit by a car on such a ride is a huge problem and that the police effectively would not sign off on that risk because it's basically impossible to manage or mitigate it fully, hence you end up with runs and rides on shared pathways or closed loops of road, like a 1km foreshore or such because then you don't have all the potential vehicle interactions or at least far fewer of them. And thats fine but it's not as interesting to ride, and so then you end up with less participation. Whether the ride is professionally run or charity it really is a lot of work to do all the planning and management, like full time eqivalent almost for a period of weeks if not months and so finding volunteers to cover that is a significant ask, then the cost (some of which is invoiced in advance of the event) for police, road closures, even getting the qualified people to do parking management and traffic control for an entry point, its all expected to be done by qualified people not just a random person assigned to do it, venue costs and all the rest can be substantial, sometimes there can be reimbursement from say council for park hire or state gov tourism grants maybe but there is a lot and can reach a point where unless you have starting capital of tens of thousands, a certainty of signups like thousands of people paying north of $100 each its not worth doing. Even getting permission for unsealed roads im sure that's a whole lot of potential problems too but at least you can get so far away from humanity that there is opportunity to close the roads and not have people be bothered by it.

  • @ariffau
    @ariffau 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Seat tube angle + stack + reach
    Just those 3. If I feel bad on the bike, I probably need to ride consistently some more with some mobility and S&C works on the sides.

  • @chasepalpatine170
    @chasepalpatine170 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    @chrismillercycling, I wonder if you put deep aero wheels on the TCR for those more flatter rides if it would “hold its speed” more?

    • @chasepalpatine170
      @chasepalpatine170 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ahh Jesse just talked about it.

  • @nocturnalcadence1676
    @nocturnalcadence1676 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think you should go as small as you can, as long as you can get the seat high enough to get a full extension on your legs. Top tube size seems like the easiest way to pick, however if you're getting a bike with an arched top tube, you may not have enough seat post length, especially with Chinese brand frames. I have always used a 56cm, but my Trifox frame at that size requires me to max out the seat post height. I would have liked to try the next size up, and use a shorter reach cockpit. I'm 5ft. 9'', if I was any taller, I would have to go up in size.

  • @n_cortex1319
    @n_cortex1319 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    30mm+ width tyres only really work well on rims that 32mm+ external width for aero. Most stock bike rims are

    • @jeffservaas
      @jeffservaas 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The 'rule of 105%' is not a strict rule. It is definitely the optimal aero setup, and at 45kmh average speeds it is important for pro riders. Silca and Dylan went to the wind tunnel before Unbound 2024, and an extra 5mm of tyre width only costs 2W at 32kmh. For many riders, who dont average 32kmh, the small aero penalty is worth paying for the improved cornering and descending grip, and the confidence it provides.

  • @quentinpollard5173
    @quentinpollard5173 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Chris, if you see garmin can you ask when do they plan to update that front headlight of theirs, it’s been years now. Also will you do a meet up in Frankfurt? If so can you post on your socials. Thanks!

    • @ChrisMillerCycling
      @ChrisMillerCycling  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Great question, I am hoping to get a meeting with them. I’ll put that on the list of questions.

  • @seanmaroney4323
    @seanmaroney4323 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You did make the Netflix TDF I saw it

  • @justinschultz4325
    @justinschultz4325 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Future talking point: The insane prices of GCN's Subscriber "packages"

  • @mikebrewer1346
    @mikebrewer1346 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stack, reach, *and* seat tube angle are all important. I think this is often overlooked.

  • @morrisizing
    @morrisizing 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am interested in the tyre / rim width performance ratio's. I am guessing speed plays a role. There are a few aero companies wheels that remain old school 'wide' internal rim width wise - 19-21mm. Against this you have the wider wheels. Obviously there is a limit where the benefits of hoing wider start to get outweighed but the speed costs, but where is that line and how speed dependent is it? On a side note both Pog & Jonas use 28's, but on the respective Enve & reserve rims they blow out 30mm+. Even at Strada Pog used 28's.

    • @jeffservaas
      @jeffservaas 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I suggest the limit depends on average speed.
      The higher the speed the larger the aero cost of wider tyres.
      The lower the average speed the more important wider tyres are for descending confidence. Both on road and gravel
      For road:
      28's may be the optimal for pros averaging 45km/h.
      30's may be the optimal for national level riders averaging 35kmh
      32's may be the optimal for amateur riders averaging 30kmh
      For Gravel
      45's may be the optimal for pros averaging 32km/h.
      50's may be the optimal for national level riders averaging 28kmh
      2.1's may be the optimal for amateur riders averaging 22kmh

    • @ivanyhtang
      @ivanyhtang 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting points. How much do you think it depends on rider weight? I'm an amateur but fairly light at 60 kg and running 32s seems overkill especially on wide rims that could blow them up to 34

    • @jeffservaas
      @jeffservaas 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ivanyhtang for a lighter rider, I would suggest 28mm is enough for road. The side forces when cornering are going to be less for a 60kg rider, and the tyre pressure required to support your weight is going to be less than a larger rider.

    • @ivanyhtang
      @ivanyhtang 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jeffservaas thanks for your thoughts! I've been running 28s for a few years although on 19mm inner width rims. I know cornering and downhill confidence would be so much higher with wider contact patch but I have to decide if I should get wider inner width wheels or go to 30s

  • @bykr2009
    @bykr2009 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In the U.S. they seem like they're trying to make gravel races more technical ,basically MTB courses. I did one Called the Strada Rossa and it made the race Chris did look very tame!

  • @neilmckenna236
    @neilmckenna236 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very few rims have a wider than 21mm internal. That's where you get stuck on a 28mm tyre?

  • @gabrieldenoury5863
    @gabrieldenoury5863 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey Chris, maybe you could tape an iphone on the top bar with an accelerometer app and measure the longitudinal acceleration over 5-10s and compare this against your power output? More acceleration (in g) per watt means the bike surges faster?
    That would be a Souplesse-o-meter.

    • @ChrisMillerCycling
      @ChrisMillerCycling  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I love this. Maybe that will be on the next Coros firmware update

    • @ivanyhtang
      @ivanyhtang 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Actually this isn't far off. I reckon it's a function of power output, speed, and angular momentum of the wheels which is a function of wheel weight, radius, and angular velocity/RPM

  • @Kblessthealien
    @Kblessthealien 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jesse, bikes are bikes. THE BARRIER IS MENTAL! It’s not that big of a deal. Get after it.

  • @Ausbider
    @Ausbider 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I was younger I road the tcr m/l with 140mm stem. Now I’m old I ride the large tcr with a 120mm stem but I run it slammed

  • @zazzleman
    @zazzleman 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jes explaining the issue that most of us shorties try to explain to deaf ears: more seat post out makes a comfy ride. So no, we don't want a bike with little seat post rise.

  • @Eugeneizzy
    @Eugeneizzy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    More gravel content!

  • @B00st672
    @B00st672 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Looking forward to seeing Jesse at Dirty Warrny

  • @ExplorinDoranRBrown
    @ExplorinDoranRBrown 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Omg, I’m a week behind! Bike mechanic here Listening while wrenching on bikes!

  • @DanG87123
    @DanG87123 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Reach is way overrated on a road bike. Take the tcr, only 36mm from the smallest to largest, spread over 6 sizes! Unlike mountain bikes where reach is usually around 20-25mm per frame size. Effective top tube is much more useful

  • @TheCyclingCardio
    @TheCyclingCardio 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I’m surprised so see both of you guys backing Primoz to win the Tour…hope he does 👍🏼

    • @bernardo9202
      @bernardo9202 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gonna be a Portuguese win at the end of the day 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @alexshvetsky3070
    @alexshvetsky3070 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It would be interesting to see what UAE tire is running as they are on ENVE wheels and the company came out a few months ago with their Race Day tire version which are SUPER light and scores much higher across the board than a GP5k on BBR site. That tire is only 27 and 29 for general public but also have the standard ENVE TIRES IN 31 and 33. Guessing they might be on one of the RD version of the tires.

    • @TheWoogeroo
      @TheWoogeroo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Noones running enve tyres.

  • @Petewasere
    @Petewasere 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey lads, Pete from the Cardigan here, interesting chat. I woulda loved to have some alternate commentary on that one, you've got a bit of an echo chamber going on there - and some interesting and valid points too. Just a little note, Auscycling's post on Plappy winning the Elite Mens RR has 623 likes on the 'gram, and AusCyclings post on Trekky's win has 1183 - not the best metric to measure popularity, or is it? Stoked you could make it down Chris, and glad you enjoyed the event.

  • @Lauriieton
    @Lauriieton 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I can't really consider Neopro to be some shining light of morality in the cycling community when looking at some of their snarky conduct on Instagram, also when considering that they're still likely making a lot of profit due to the super cheap production costs, McDonald's isn't some enlightened company just because their stuff is cheap IMO. But in saying that, I also don't see too much issue with a lottery system either, grown adults willingly partake in it, we shouldn't have to parent their bad decisions. I do see where Jesse is coming from when it comes to the general vibe of Neoworld though, just a cashgrab that takes advantage of their already somewhat vulnerable clientele. Bad look? Yeh. I personally just don't have too much sympathy for grown adults making bad decisions. Also definitely agree with Chris's take of it being "so Gold Coast", the whole vibe of the company is incredibly Gold Coast lmao.

  • @maxsievers8251
    @maxsievers8251 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A steel drum is poking into the tyre and it can't figure in the suspension losses of the rider. Bicycle Quarterly actually tested the rolling resistance of different sizes of the same tyre. They found out that up to 25 mm wider is definitely faster. And up to 54 mm there is no significant difference on perfect roads (including wind resistance).

  • @jakethesnake1976
    @jakethesnake1976 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    TCR + Cadex 50 Ultras for the chop 🤙

    • @ChrisMillerCycling
      @ChrisMillerCycling  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Leave that with me

    • @ivanyhtang
      @ivanyhtang 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm extremely curious if 10mm deeper wheels on my TCR (42 to 50) would make a noticeable aero difference, though I'm light at 60 kg and concerned about crosswind stability

  • @maxummaxum
    @maxummaxum 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Chris - congratulations on your Gravel Result! Just watched the video (section on your bike). Just a question- what was the marks in you back wheel rim? Look like the rim is cracked???? 😮

  • @gwatson7124
    @gwatson7124 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd like 'front and centre' reported as standard. Go for gold next year, Chris. Have fun in the fastest growing city.

  • @richardhutchings1980
    @richardhutchings1980 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Congratulations Chris. Well done. Love the content and your conversion to gravel cycling. You now need to tempt you boy to come to the dark side with you

  • @jamesgage03
    @jamesgage03 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1 Gravel Race...... 2nd Best in Australia (In age group). Damn Chris.

  • @thomasparkins6749
    @thomasparkins6749 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is the better acceleration feeling not due to weight? How much heavier is the S5 on deep wheels compared to the TCR?

  • @htonmusic
    @htonmusic 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    in the mountain and gravel world, its accepted that wider is faster. a wider tyre is able to absorb small high frequency bumps so that forward kinectic enery isnt lost to energy to bounce the bike up vertically. the compliaanccee.

    • @brettoau84
      @brettoau84 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is only recent in gravel though, lead by youtuberslike DJ. It was only 1-2yrs ago the general thought was run 35s or 38s if possible to be faster. Wider if its rough.

  • @neon3690
    @neon3690 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Totally agree re not make gravel too technical. We don't it end up going down the path of XC mtbing and becoming too technical for most.

  • @lizhengzhang
    @lizhengzhang 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    imo u can only have one thing, either holding speed or snapy snapy, it’s the package!