Don't know if you fixed it, I just came across your video, thought I might help, had the same problem with my R6 2006, and the problem was all the hoses and connection especially to the sensors, my mechanic changed them all to newer and more hard material so that they are not as susceptible to heat and wear. It took us around 3 months to figure it out and it was by fluke, as my mechanic was fiddling around he noticed that touching some sensor housing (I thing the worst was the atmospheric, could be wrong, I know he changed them all) the idle would play around to the point of the bike stalling. It has been more than 6 years now never again did I have the same issue.
Nice R1! I have a 13. Hard cold starts are common on the 14b due weak starters. Rebuild your starter or throw a new one in and you'll be good to go 👍9/10 starters the issue could be your valves aswell but swapping the starter should be an easier place to start.
Thanks for the tip man. I’ll definitely look into it a little more. Have you or any of your friends done the starter on your bike? What were the symptoms like? Slow crank, crank will time out before it should maybe? I feel like I might have multiple issues to be honest. My bike seems to crank ok at first when the battery is charged but starts slowing down and backfiring very quickly. The backfiring through the intake was what made me think valve adjustment is to tight or low compression issue. I tested my compression last night and it seemed a bit on the low side. 170psi ( cold ) But I’m no bike expert. I always appreciate other people’s input and experience.
@@JT2JZ No problem. I have known a few people with the cold start issue. Bike would slow crank and then just stop like a dead battery but the battery is fine. Anothers would continuously try and turn over but would not fire very similar to yours with the momentary back fire. Both started fine throughout the day when warm but back to hatd start the next. New starter / rebuilt original with new internals fixed both.
Update. Just checked the valve lash tonight. They are all in spec. Looks like your starter suggestion may be right. The more I think about it the more I bet the starter has high draw. I don’t think a new battery should die after 20-30 seconds of cranking when it was fully charged. I did get the starter to stumble on me once as well.
Had similar problems with my 2010. Put a lithium ion fixed the issue. The problem with the crossplane engine is that it requires a lot of charge to crank over. Also check your charging system because it can be draining any battery you put in there
I dont think its the "cross plane" doing that. Improper care of the battery or Just a really poor quality battery/starter.. and a possible issue with the stator and the magnets that like to fall off down into the engine, are more likely to be the culprit (or was this issue addressed in the 09+?). The starter is the one exerting the "charge" you are referring to. IF the charge system is working properly and the battery is proper spec, it should have no issue turning the engine over. Ive personally worked on high compression "SBC" 350ci builds, where we have to jump the starter up to a higher torque 454 starter, the battery never "needs" upgraded to achieve easy engine rotation. Though I wont discount the numerous other benefits of an upgraded battery.
I did the same. Bought a Lipo Antigravity brand 2.5 lb 360 cold cranking amp battery, and now my bike fires up instantly, even after I've been riding for a while. Problem is, stock spec battery is only 190 CCA, and like you said, the 12.9:1 compression cross plane motor is hard to turn with the weak factory batteries.
With my symptoms a valve adjustment was my thought as well. I checked them but they were all in spec. Turnout out to be corrosion build up in my starter solenoid. Cleaned corrosion out and it’s been perfect again so far.
@@JT2JZ did you find oil when you cleaned the starter? the first time i did it i found a lot of dust and some oillll i guess that is not been designed very well
No oil noticed for me. I had a bit of corrosion in the starter relay though. Ended up cleaning it out. It was good for a month or so and the issue came back. I ended up replacing the relay.
Love the black R1. I have a 12 and I was having the same issues with the cold start. Replaced the spark plugs and the battery. Still the same issue. What fixed my issue was I turn the key let the fuel pump run, hit the on switch then crank the bike for 2-3 seconds. Shut it down completely then repeat the process again. Mine typically starts on the 2nd-3rd try. I did the same thing you were doing letting it crank to see if it will start but that ended up killing my battery every time. Hopefully this helps.
Mine was very similar to yours. Would always start 2-3 attempt. I now think that my starter has been weak the entire time. It has completely failed on me now and my bike no longer cranks at all. I also put in a large lithium ion battery and I think that’s what finally killed it. I could smell a slight burning odour the last time it cranked over slow and then died completely. My starter shows up in two weeks. I’ll let you know if that was the root cause and will likely make a video tearing down the old starter and checking for damage.
@@JT2JZ I'm loving it. I spent the last 20 years on 90's Ducati's so this is a very different animal, the power is addictive, and I know there are faster bikes out there. Can't imagine how they must feel. Just experiencing my 1st problem. Only happens on wide open throttle. Got a new K&N in the post. Fingers crossed. Thanks again for the vids, really appreciate the time you put in showing us.
Not always an option when we go on bike trips. I’ve got stranded a few times and had to push start the bike to finish off our trips. The hard starts are definitely the biggest downside to these bikes. Other than that it’s absolutely amazing though.
I know I am a year late, but when you turn the key to the on position, wait about a minute before starting. It takes a while to prime up before a cold start.
I had similar problem 2010 14b, clearly not enough battery volts when fans on hot engine struggle to crank back fire etc, put a yauasa lead acid battery on , still same problem, ( maybe not quite so bad) I now have 4 li-ion 18650 cells across the battery ( soldered in parallel) this gives it the edge and basically has sorted the problem, doing a weekly commute of 450 kms, I may get the lithium battery and try it, but they are expensive and not as robust as lead acid
I just tried a large 280cca lithium ion battery as well. I do agree they are a must for these bikes! I haven’t had it in long enough to see if my problem is 100% gone but it’s definitely much better. I just hope my bigger battery is not covering up other underlining issues.
Hey bro, Appreciate you may have moved on from this bike but these videos are super helpful. Do you by chance know how long a replacement start motor lasts on the 09 R1? I've already been through one starter motor about 2 years ago and starting to have starting issues again despite new relay and perfect lithium battery.
I sold my bike with the new starter installed so I can’t speak from experience with how long they should last. My only advice would be buy a genuine Yamaha starter because my original unit lasted about 26000kms before starting to have issues. My bike had almost 33000kms when I sold it and my cheap Amazon starter was still working great but maybe I just got lucky!
Interestingly my 2006 R1 takes a few cranks before it starts up from cold. I thought it was just my bike, unlike my other modern bikes CB1100 and h2sx which start up on one crank even when sitting for over a month.
Gorgeous and clean bike I have the exact same thing basically and doing the same thing just for basic maintence but thos video helps alot of how to get to everything appreciate it man
Yes. My root cause ended up being a weak starter. I have a starter replacement video where I took the old unit apart and the internal components were in very bad shape.
I think all 09-14 has this problem. I've owned 2. 2010 and now I have a 2012 and both do the samething. But it's only if I let it sit for extended periods of time.
Supposed to change the plugs every 10k miles. Also, getting a higher cold cranking amp battery is important. The stock spec battery is too weak, especially if you've been riding and your cooling fans are running when you are trying to start it. (I know you said you changed the battery. I was just giving info for other viewers).
mine does the exact same, cold start its a pig. I heard you need a high CCA battery. that can turn the heavy crossplane crank. Yes it shouldn't backfire at all.
It did for roughly a month. I still had under lining issues. I just started with the cheapest part. The relay. Then I upgraded the battery and it was better for another month but it finally smoked the starter pretty bad at the end of the season.
@@JT2JZ I used the auto turner from power commander and welded in a titanium bung in and it helped mine start a lot maybe if the starter doesn’t fix it try that.
Man! I have a '09 model and it doesn't have ANY of the start issues as bad as that. My warm start is instant. My cold start need 3 x 2 second attempts and its going. I do have a TOCE exhaust though.
have a 10 r1, having issues after ive been riding and not starting back up while its hot, changed the starter, flushed and replaced coolant (try to get it to stay cooler longer), replaced the battery, i mean the bike has almost 28k miles so im assuming its beyond due for a valve adjustment, but before i tear the bike down anything else there is to try?
Try replacing the starter relay. My relay had some corrosion in it. It only cost about $40. Check out my other video if you don’t know where the relay lives. It’s just under the seat area. Spark plugs might be something easy to try. I also put in a big lithium ion battery that helped with start ups as well. When my bike was having starting issues the starter replacement did fix it. I’d say start with that starter relay though. It’s the cheapest and easiest part to replace!
Lithium ion battery solved my issue for a few months as well. I had deeper issues though and ended up needing a starter down the road. My starter was very weak and a better battery was just covering up the issue for a while.
Having this issue currently on my 2010! Exact same thing sucks trying to cold start it. Was wondering if anyone has had had gasket issues with their r1? My bike only has 40k klms and i checked the radiator cap and it had a milky residue on the inside of the cap which is usually tell tale head gasket issues? The oil has never been milky tho or evidence of coolant in there. only recently done an oil change too thinking i should compression test to make 100% sure what's going on.
These bikes aren’t really common for head gasket failure but anything is possible. Compression test would definitely be a good start. Do a leak down test as well if you can.
If you still have the problom with the bad cold start... remove the right engine cover where the cable goes in on the top right. ( CrankshaftCover of the timing chain) then clean the tip of the magntic sensor and put it all together. That´s it ;)
I did instal a big 280cca lithium battery and it was better for a few months until my starter failed 100% and would no longer crank the bike over at all. Made it easy to finally find the root cause at least
I had the same issue a few days ago with my 09. Come to find out that the battery terminal broke off and was barely contacting the battery. Weirdest thing I’ve ever experienced.
I’m very late to this but I’ve changed battery, starter and starter relay and still hard of starting. Does this end? Where do I go next plugs/ air filter? Cheers
Ditching my power commander and getting an ecu flash tune helped my bike start way easier. I would say that would likely help you the most for the price and time it takes.
@@JT2JZ I did however just notice the new battery is only 135CCA so I’ve ordered a 290CCA lithium ion will update tomorrow or Wednesday when it arrives 🫡
@@SinOne390 that battery will make a huge difference for you! Stock battery size is a 190cca if I remember correctly. So the one in there is definitely way to small.
@@JT2JZ so it helped a little. Still not starting amazing not like my SV which takes 1s to crank this took around 5. Next step is looking at the map on the ECU.
I'm guessing you're at 25,925 and not 35,925km? Either way still fairly low. Crank-no-start issues always suck. My Ducati 999 had an issue with the sprag clutch going out after I did everything you would check. New battery, new plugs, new filters (tested with no filters too), etc... Still was hard to start, backfired through the intake and afterfired through the exhaust. Ran a compression test on one cylinder and got good numbers, ran it on the second cylinder and it was 25% lower, and immediately destroyed the sprag clutch afterwards. I would be of the opinion that it's not valve related with it being that low in miles, but like you said depending on previous owners and their riding, YMMV. I would check compressions first, then fuel pressure coming out of the pump (as well as any fuel filters). Check your grounds too and clean them up if needed. Also, when was the last time you changed your brake fluid? Is it just my eyes or does it look almost black? edit: your starter sounds exactly the same as my '09, and the only issue that bike has is the CCT being loose on startup making the slapping noise. I have a shorai battery in mine however unlike your AGM, and I believe it has much much higher CCA's too. edit2: Read the solenoid contacts needed cleaning... Hope your issue stays resolved. edit3: also just noticed you're the same guy who compared the R6 to R1 seat. Have to say your video definitely made me finally decide to get the R1. I had started on an R6, then went to the Duc, and then back on the R1. Been a blast so far.
Thanks for the input. After cleaning my starter solenoid the bike has been good ever since ( knock on wood ). Hopefully I don’t have to mess with anything else and I can just get back to riding! I will be making another comparison video between the crossplane and flatplane R1 shortly. A lot of differences Ive noticed already in the short time I’ve owned the new crossplane.
6:24 Great Attention to detail here. Blowing the slots before removing. Couldnt tell you how many techs ive seen ignore this. Or even similar on a car and allow the dust grot and sometimes even foliage debris fall right into a customers engine. "It'll burn up, nothing to worry about" - Sure! Until its a 10mm socket fused with the top of a piston in a picture on reddit..
I'm doing plugs on mine, and I know you said you put a new battery, but is it possible the new battery wasn't topped off from a trickle charger? That happened to me only just recently
Trust me I wish it was the battery. I’ve tried three different ones just to make sure and have rode the bike for over an hour to give it a good charge. I’m still getting the same hard start the very next day. I’m pretty sure it’s going to be a valve lash issue the more I think about it. If the valve lash is to tight when the bike is cold it could potentially have a valve or two that are not fully closing / sealing causing a low compression condition. Makes scenes to me why I had it backfire through the intake as well. I’ll definitely keep you posted with what I find.
Hey, I’m looking at a 2007 r1 with 18k miles, everything is stock, he asking for 6k. He said sometimes the neutral light goes out. Do you think this would be a good buy & any problems with these past 18k miles? Thank you
One thing to say bud just cause your not sure how long it was sitting but from the sound of it to me you probably need to change your fuel pump I work on bikes my self. So if I was you try a new fuel pump before doing anything else
I ended up finding corrosion in a connector for the starter solenoid. Bike is starting normal again after I cleaned the connector out. Time will tell if that repair lasts. Its only been a week but so far so good.
Dude, story of my life w my 09R1. Like that sound yours makes trying to start, the little blip backfire, all that shit. Every fkn time I try to start mine. Replaced the battery twice, cleaned the filter, replaced the coil, replaced the starter, replaced the starter relay....same shit. I've taken it to 3 different shops. They have no answers accept, this bike does this...Not cool when I'm at the gas station or grocery store cranking it like a dumbass over and over so I can get back home....wtf
Ya that’s my biggest complaint as well. The firing order of these engines is goofy and they are a really hard engine to start. If it’s around 0C* outside it struggles with cold starts even worse! A new starter did help my bike out a lot. Lithium ion battery helped as well. Still not perfect though like a flat plane bike..
@@JT2JZ no, nothing is wrong with your video. I just notice that you played some music while your working. Not all of us needs a dangling music anyway. Ride safe
@@JT2JZ Funnily enough I had the same issue a year ago. To buy a new starter here in the UK was £600, genuine Yamaha part. I bought a Chinese starter for £70 and it's still going strong, My starter progressively got weaker and when I pulled it you could smell it had burnt out. I think they're a weak point on these
Our genuine Yamaha starters are a very similar price here as well. My $100 Chinese starter is still going strong as well. Pretty impressed so far two years later!
I hade a same one and the same problem. Just give a little gas when its cold start. That was working for me just fine. Its happening because of aftermarket Akrapovič. Anyway I still regret that I sold that bike:(
I tried giving throttle when starting as well but didn’t make a difference for me. I ended up finding corrosion in the main starter solenoid connection. Cleaned it out and the bike has been pretty good ever since. ( knock on wood )
@@JT2JZ my bike has the same issue you must buy a shorai battery its the perfect battery for this r1 its hard to start without this battery the oem battery yuasa its not good for this bike you must buy the lfx19a4 its good take care...
It was a weak starter causing my issues last season. I’m just about to test the new lithium battery I put in end off last year. Pulling my bike out of winter hibernation in the next week or two here. These lithium batteries are pretty sweet I must say! Still has a resting voltage right around 13.0v. Very impressed so far.
I ride a zx10 and I have no idea why I’m watching you change r1 plugs but 🤷🏾♂️ I’m supporting
The zx10 is a beast.
Thanks for the support bro. I’ll get some better riding footage soon!
Don't know if you fixed it, I just came across your video, thought I might help, had the same problem with my R6 2006, and the problem was all the hoses and connection especially to the sensors, my mechanic changed them all to newer and more hard material so that they are not as susceptible to heat and wear. It took us around 3 months to figure it out and it was by fluke, as my mechanic was fiddling around he noticed that touching some sensor housing (I thing the worst was the atmospheric, could be wrong, I know he changed them all) the idle would play around to the point of the bike stalling. It has been more than 6 years now never again did I have the same issue.
Nice R1! I have a 13. Hard cold starts are common on the 14b due weak starters. Rebuild your starter or throw a new one in and you'll be good to go 👍9/10 starters the issue could be your valves aswell but swapping the starter should be an easier place to start.
Thanks for the tip man. I’ll definitely look into it a little more. Have you or any of your friends done the starter on your bike? What were the symptoms like? Slow crank, crank will time out before it should maybe?
I feel like I might have multiple issues to be honest. My bike seems to crank ok at first when the battery is charged but starts slowing down and backfiring very quickly. The backfiring through the intake was what made me think valve adjustment is to tight or low compression issue.
I tested my compression last night and it seemed a bit on the low side. 170psi ( cold )
But I’m no bike expert. I always appreciate other people’s input and experience.
@@JT2JZ No problem. I have known a few people with the cold start issue. Bike would slow crank and then just stop like a dead battery but the battery is fine. Anothers would continuously try and turn over but would not fire very similar to yours with the momentary back fire. Both started fine throughout the day when warm but back to hatd start the next. New starter / rebuilt original with new internals fixed both.
That’s crazy. Good to know! Thanks again man. I’ll definitely look into that right away.
Update. Just checked the valve lash tonight. They are all in spec. Looks like your starter suggestion may be right. The more I think about it the more I bet the starter has high draw. I don’t think a new battery should die after 20-30 seconds of cranking when it was fully charged. I did get the starter to stumble on me once as well.
@@JT2JZ 👍slap a new starter in there and youll be right as rain. The 14B's are pretty stout, you should have to worry about any major problems.
Chased this same issue for 4 years it ended up being a bad o-ring on the secondary injectors, hope this helps anyone still dealing with this issue
Thanks for sharing
Will need to replace those with my 13 R1 later down the road. So far it's been a champ.
I try and do the air filter once a season but honestly the plugs last a long time!
Had similar problems with my 2010. Put a lithium ion fixed the issue. The problem with the crossplane engine is that it requires a lot of charge to crank over. Also check your charging system because it can be draining any battery you put in there
Ya it seems like a lot of people run into similar issues with these bikes. A battery upgrade would definitely be worth it. Thanks for the advice.
I dont think its the "cross plane" doing that. Improper care of the battery or Just a really poor quality battery/starter.. and a possible issue with the stator and the magnets that like to fall off down into the engine, are more likely to be the culprit (or was this issue addressed in the 09+?). The starter is the one exerting the "charge" you are referring to. IF the charge system is working properly and the battery is proper spec, it should have no issue turning the engine over. Ive personally worked on high compression "SBC" 350ci builds, where we have to jump the starter up to a higher torque 454 starter, the battery never "needs" upgraded to achieve easy engine rotation. Though I wont discount the numerous other benefits of an upgraded battery.
I found out later on that my starter was the issue all along. If you look at my starter repair video I took the starter apart and it was cooked!
I did the same. Bought a Lipo Antigravity brand 2.5 lb 360 cold cranking amp battery, and now my bike fires up instantly, even after I've been riding for a while. Problem is, stock spec battery is only 190 CCA, and like you said, the 12.9:1 compression cross plane motor is hard to turn with the weak factory batteries.
Totally agree with you on that change out to the lithium as well
I have an 09 and your cold starts are waaaayy worse than mine. I'm happy with mine after seeing yours.
I replaced pretty much everything on my bike chasing my horrible cold starts. Root cause ended up being a weak starter.
Check out my other video if you want to see my starter that was in terrible shape when I pulled it out!
@@JT2JZ
Will do!
Beautiful bike. Try the valve adjustment. Usually the cold start in your case can be resolved by the proper valve adjustment. Good luck
With my symptoms a valve adjustment was my thought as well. I checked them but they were all in spec.
Turnout out to be corrosion build up in my starter solenoid. Cleaned corrosion out and it’s been perfect again so far.
@@JT2JZ im having the same hard to start issue, i might try cleaning out the starter solenoid!
@@JT2JZ did you find oil when you cleaned the starter? the first time i did it i found a lot of dust and some oillll i guess that is not been designed very well
No oil noticed for me. I had a bit of corrosion in the starter relay though. Ended up cleaning it out. It was good for a month or so and the issue came back. I ended up replacing the relay.
Love the black R1. I have a 12 and I was having the same issues with the cold start. Replaced the spark plugs and the battery. Still the same issue. What fixed my issue was I turn the key let the fuel pump run, hit the on switch then crank the bike for 2-3 seconds. Shut it down completely then repeat the process again. Mine typically starts on the 2nd-3rd try. I did the same thing you were doing letting it crank to see if it will start but that ended up killing my battery every time. Hopefully this helps.
Mine was very similar to yours. Would always start 2-3 attempt. I now think that my starter has been weak the entire time. It has completely failed on me now and my bike no longer cranks at all. I also put in a large lithium ion battery and I think that’s what finally killed it. I could smell a slight burning odour the last time it cranked over slow and then died completely.
My starter shows up in two weeks. I’ll let you know if that was the root cause and will likely make a video tearing down the old starter and checking for damage.
I just bought an 09. Thanks for the vid.
Nice bike selection! Hopefully you enjoy it as much as I do.
@@JT2JZ I'm loving it. I spent the last 20 years on 90's Ducati's so this is a very different animal, the power is addictive, and I know there are faster bikes out there. Can't imagine how they must feel. Just experiencing my 1st problem. Only happens on wide open throttle. Got a new K&N in the post. Fingers crossed.
Thanks again for the vids, really appreciate the time you put in showing us.
I know this vid is a year old but that little box with the green light works with the power commander. Its called an O2 optimizer.
Thanks for the reply! I would assume it needs to be connected to the power commander then?
You have the bike garaged. So when it gets cold put a heater next to the bike for 15 min, she will start right up. Also keep battery on a tinder.
Not always an option when we go on bike trips. I’ve got stranded a few times and had to push start the bike to finish off our trips.
The hard starts are definitely the biggest downside to these bikes. Other than that it’s absolutely amazing though.
I know I am a year late, but when you turn the key to the on position, wait about a minute before starting. It takes a while to prime up before a cold start.
Trust me I tried that a lot with no success. The issue ended up being a bad starter
I had similar problem 2010 14b, clearly not enough battery volts when fans on hot engine struggle to crank back fire etc, put a yauasa lead acid battery on , still same problem, ( maybe not quite so bad) I now have 4 li-ion 18650 cells across the battery ( soldered in parallel) this gives it the edge and basically has sorted the problem, doing a weekly commute of 450 kms, I may get the lithium battery and try it, but they are expensive and not as robust as lead acid
I just tried a large 280cca lithium ion battery as well. I do agree they are a must for these bikes! I haven’t had it in long enough to see if my problem is 100% gone but it’s definitely much better. I just hope my bigger battery is not covering up other underlining issues.
That box you didnt know what it was under your air box is a gps tracker. Its plugged into itself so its not being powered or active.
Interesting. Do they usually splice into the bike harness somewhere?
Hey bro,
Appreciate you may have moved on from this bike but these videos are super helpful.
Do you by chance know how long a replacement start motor lasts on the 09 R1? I've already been through one starter motor about 2 years ago and starting to have starting issues again despite new relay and perfect lithium battery.
I sold my bike with the new starter installed so I can’t speak from experience with how long they should last.
My only advice would be buy a genuine Yamaha starter because my original unit lasted about 26000kms before starting to have issues. My bike had almost 33000kms when I sold it and my cheap Amazon starter was still working great but maybe I just got lucky!
Interestingly my 2006 R1 takes a few cranks before it starts up from cold. I thought it was just my bike, unlike my other modern bikes CB1100 and h2sx which start up on one crank even when sitting for over a month.
Gorgeous and clean bike I have the exact same thing basically and doing the same thing just for basic maintence but thos video helps alot of how to get to everything appreciate it man
Thanks for the support. Glad I can help!
@@JT2JZ did you ever figure what was wrong with it after this video?
Yes. My root cause ended up being a weak starter. I have a starter replacement video where I took the old unit apart and the internal components were in very bad shape.
I think all 09-14 has this problem. I've owned 2. 2010 and now I have a 2012 and both do the samething. But it's only if I let it sit for extended periods of time.
Supposed to change the plugs every 10k miles.
Also, getting a higher cold cranking amp battery is important. The stock spec battery is too weak, especially if you've been riding and your cooling fans are running when you are trying to start it.
(I know you said you changed the battery. I was just giving info for other viewers).
mine does the exact same, cold start its a pig. I heard you need a high CCA battery. that can turn the heavy crossplane crank. Yes it shouldn't backfire at all.
I put a massive 285cca lithium battery in and it helped a little bit but I ended up needing a starter as well
@@JT2JZ but did that relay change not fix it then?
It did for roughly a month. I still had under lining issues. I just started with the cheapest part. The relay. Then I upgraded the battery and it was better for another month but it finally smoked the starter pretty bad at the end of the season.
@@JT2JZ I used the auto turner from power commander and welded in a titanium bung in and it helped mine start a lot maybe if the starter doesn’t fix it try that.
Thanks for the info. So far the new starter has been doing its job. Fingers crossed that it doesn’t need anything else 🤞
Man! I have a '09 model and it doesn't have ANY of the start issues as bad as that. My warm start is instant. My cold start need 3 x 2 second attempts and its going. I do have a TOCE exhaust though.
have a 10 r1, having issues after ive been riding and not starting back up while its hot, changed the starter, flushed and replaced coolant (try to get it to stay cooler longer), replaced the battery, i mean the bike has almost 28k miles so im assuming its beyond due for a valve adjustment, but before i tear the bike down anything else there is to try?
Try replacing the starter relay. My relay had some corrosion in it. It only cost about $40. Check out my other video if you don’t know where the relay lives. It’s just under the seat area.
Spark plugs might be something easy to try.
I also put in a big lithium ion battery that helped with start ups as well.
When my bike was having starting issues the starter replacement did fix it.
I’d say start with that starter relay though. It’s the cheapest and easiest part to replace!
I have the exact same bike. Same issue. Lithium battery solved the problem.
Lithium ion battery solved my issue for a few months as well. I had deeper issues though and ended up needing a starter down the road. My starter was very weak and a better battery was just covering up the issue for a while.
Having this issue currently on my 2010! Exact same thing sucks trying to cold start it. Was wondering if anyone has had had gasket issues with their r1? My bike only has 40k klms and i checked the radiator cap and it had a milky residue on the inside of the cap which is usually tell tale head gasket issues? The oil has never been milky tho or evidence of coolant in there. only recently done an oil change too thinking i should compression test to make 100% sure what's going on.
These bikes aren’t really common for head gasket failure but anything is possible. Compression test would definitely be a good start. Do a leak down test as well if you can.
That’s normal on the oil cap it’s just water condensation
If you still have the problom with the bad cold start... remove the right engine cover where the cable goes in on the top right. ( CrankshaftCover of the timing chain) then clean the tip of the magntic sensor and put it all together. That´s it ;)
No one has suggested that as a possible issue yet. Thanks for sharing!
Why would the magnetic sensor cause a starting issue?
You need a Is lithium ion battery.. its a cross plain needs more cranking power brotha. It will help promise
I did instal a big 280cca lithium battery and it was better for a few months until my starter failed 100% and would no longer crank the bike over at all.
Made it easy to finally find the root cause at least
I had the same issue a few days ago with my 09. Come to find out that the battery terminal broke off and was barely contacting the battery. Weirdest thing I’ve ever experienced.
That is weird! At least it’s a relatively easy fix for you.
I’m very late to this but I’ve changed battery, starter and starter relay and still hard of starting. Does this end? Where do I go next plugs/ air filter? Cheers
Ditching my power commander and getting an ecu flash tune helped my bike start way easier.
I would say that would likely help you the most for the price and time it takes.
@@JT2JZ mine doesn’t have a PC however it does have an aftermarket exhaust and is most likely mapped by the previous owner.
@@JT2JZ I did however just notice the new battery is only 135CCA so I’ve ordered a 290CCA lithium ion will update tomorrow or Wednesday when it arrives 🫡
@@SinOne390 that battery will make a huge difference for you! Stock battery size is a 190cca if I remember correctly. So the one in there is definitely way to small.
@@JT2JZ so it helped a little. Still not starting amazing not like my SV which takes 1s to crank this took around 5. Next step is looking at the map on the ECU.
I'm guessing you're at 25,925 and not 35,925km? Either way still fairly low. Crank-no-start issues always suck. My Ducati 999 had an issue with the sprag clutch going out after I did everything you would check. New battery, new plugs, new filters (tested with no filters too), etc... Still was hard to start, backfired through the intake and afterfired through the exhaust. Ran a compression test on one cylinder and got good numbers, ran it on the second cylinder and it was 25% lower, and immediately destroyed the sprag clutch afterwards.
I would be of the opinion that it's not valve related with it being that low in miles, but like you said depending on previous owners and their riding, YMMV. I would check compressions first, then fuel pressure coming out of the pump (as well as any fuel filters). Check your grounds too and clean them up if needed.
Also, when was the last time you changed your brake fluid? Is it just my eyes or does it look almost black?
edit: your starter sounds exactly the same as my '09, and the only issue that bike has is the CCT being loose on startup making the slapping noise. I have a shorai battery in mine however unlike your AGM, and I believe it has much much higher CCA's too.
edit2: Read the solenoid contacts needed cleaning... Hope your issue stays resolved.
edit3: also just noticed you're the same guy who compared the R6 to R1 seat. Have to say your video definitely made me finally decide to get the R1. I had started on an R6, then went to the Duc, and then back on the R1. Been a blast so far.
Thanks for the input. After cleaning my starter solenoid the bike has been good ever since ( knock on wood ). Hopefully I don’t have to mess with anything else and I can just get back to riding!
I will be making another comparison video between the crossplane and flatplane R1 shortly. A lot of differences Ive noticed already in the short time I’ve owned the new crossplane.
6:24 Great Attention to detail here. Blowing the slots before removing. Couldnt tell you how many techs ive seen ignore this. Or even similar on a car and allow the dust grot and sometimes even foliage debris fall right into a customers engine. "It'll burn up, nothing to worry about" - Sure! Until its a 10mm socket fused with the top of a piston in a picture on reddit..
The cleaner the better. Doesn’t matter what you are doing the quality of repair will always be better if clean
From my research the starter relay is the problem on the start alot of times. Have you tried it?
The starter relay worked for a few months. My root cause ended up being a weak starter. Has been good after starter replacement
I'm doing plugs on mine, and I know you said you put a new battery, but is it possible the new battery wasn't topped off from a trickle charger? That happened to me only just recently
Commented a little early, will wait to see how it goes with the next video. Best of luck man! :)
Trust me I wish it was the battery. I’ve tried three different ones just to make sure and have rode the bike for over an hour to give it a good charge. I’m still getting the same hard start the very next day.
I’m pretty sure it’s going to be a valve lash issue the more I think about it. If the valve lash is to tight when the bike is cold it could potentially have a valve or two that are not fully closing / sealing causing a low compression condition. Makes scenes to me why I had it backfire through the intake as well.
I’ll definitely keep you posted with what I find.
Hey, I’m looking at a 2007 r1 with 18k miles, everything is stock, he asking for 6k. He said sometimes the neutral light goes out. Do you think this would be a good buy & any problems with these past 18k miles? Thank you
Those years are pretty solid bikes. Would probably be a decent buy
One thing to say bud just cause your not sure how long it was sitting but from the sound of it to me you probably need to change your fuel pump I work on bikes my self. So if I was you try a new fuel pump before doing anything else
I appreciate the input. I’ll definitely keep it in mind
Fuel filter or pump 💯
I ended up finding corrosion in a connector for the starter solenoid.
Bike is starting normal again after I cleaned the connector out. Time will tell if that repair lasts. Its only been a week but so far so good.
Get a shorie Lithium Battery the best for the cross plane
Definitely will be for my next battery. Everyone has good things to say about them
Thanks Bro your awesome 👍
Cheers
Dude, story of my life w my 09R1. Like that sound yours makes trying to start, the little blip backfire, all that shit. Every fkn time I try to start mine. Replaced the battery twice, cleaned the filter, replaced the coil, replaced the starter, replaced the starter relay....same shit. I've taken it to 3 different shops. They have no answers accept, this bike does this...Not cool when I'm at the gas station or grocery store cranking it like a dumbass over and over so I can get back home....wtf
Ya that’s my biggest complaint as well. The firing order of these engines is goofy and they are a really hard engine to start. If it’s around 0C* outside it struggles with cold starts even worse!
A new starter did help my bike out a lot. Lithium ion battery helped as well. Still not perfect though like a flat plane bike..
@@JT2JZ Yep, same on the cold start here too. I love it but Christ lol
Definitely a love / hate relationship haha
Unless plugs are older than 5 yrs or have more than 25k on them. Just take a wire brush and little kerosene, wipe them off and good as new.
5:36 gotta play some music to be in the rythym lewls
I agree. I have to do some research and find some music that won’t flag my videos for copyright laws.
@@JT2JZ no, nothing is wrong with your video. I just notice that you played some music while your working. Not all of us needs a dangling music anyway. Ride safe
Fai l'allineamento dei corpi farfalla e cambia le candele, dopo Ok
Needs a valve adjustment. Valves are closed
I thought the same thing. I have another video checking the valves and they were all perfect.
It turned out to be a weak starter
Plugs?
My actual issue ended up being a weak starter.
Check out my starter video if you want to see me take it apart. It was jet black / burnt up.
@@JT2JZ Funnily enough I had the same issue a year ago. To buy a new starter here in the UK was £600, genuine Yamaha part. I bought a Chinese starter for £70 and it's still going strong, My starter progressively got weaker and when I pulled it you could smell it had burnt out. I think they're a weak point on these
Our genuine Yamaha starters are a very similar price here as well.
My $100 Chinese starter is still going strong as well. Pretty impressed so far two years later!
@@JT2JZ Question for you, do you know if these have an ICV? The gizmo that keeps the revs high on cold starts then slows down once warm
My bike is a 2012 and it does have a factory cold high idle. Not sure if it’s built into the stock tuning or what actually controls it.
whats that? 08:15
I think it’s an option for the aftermarket power commander but I’m not 100% sure
I hade a same one and the same problem. Just give a little gas when its cold start. That was working for me just fine. Its happening because of aftermarket Akrapovič. Anyway I still regret that I sold that bike:(
I tried giving throttle when starting as well but didn’t make a difference for me. I ended up finding corrosion in the main starter solenoid connection. Cleaned it out and the bike has been pretty good ever since.
( knock on wood )
How much did you pay for this bike?
get a shorai battery man
Ya that would probably make a big difference. The battery in mine right now seems a bit on the small side. It’s brand new but only 160cca.
@@JT2JZ my bike has the same issue you must buy a shorai battery its the perfect battery for this r1 its hard to start without this battery the oem battery yuasa its not good for this bike you must buy the lfx19a4 its good take care...
Thanks for the info man. I’ll probably end up getting one!
Plot twist: old r1 put poison in the bike
Probably! The old bike isn’t happy it doesn’t get the attention anymore lol
@@JT2JZ ahahah
Needs tuned
My bike sits for 9 months and still starts instantly , your battery is shit and weak, get a lithium battery.
It was a weak starter causing my issues last season. I’m just about to test the new lithium battery I put in end off last year. Pulling my bike out of winter hibernation in the next week or two here. These lithium batteries are pretty sweet I must say! Still has a resting voltage right around 13.0v. Very impressed so far.
oh yeah 2 years ago sorry guess already fixed then haha