Jason is the man .His company Ewheels is a standard setting for all others to come close in customer service support and all around feels like family and truly one of a kind company.
I didnt get to be part of the bullet design lol. Begode came out to meet with me and seth in thailand since we had some potential struggle with visas. Begode does want to make a wheel with me, but we will need to figure out how to keep the price low enough for people to be worth making.
Fun Stuff! Love the Format of these chats. It good to see all of the wheels covered, and not in a competitive way. It Gives a more open and overall perspective on things.
At min 30 of the video, I agree with ronin about the wheel labeling. If we as consumers spending this amount of money on a wheel, it should be used for everything. We are not sponsored to get so many wheels at our stable fot free 😂 I waited so long to find the perfect wheel as a new rider and finally jumpped the trigger om the lynx because its all around usage wheel.
I think the falcon will be a huge hit because it checks so many boxes. Small, it's got speed, suspension, and priced well. I think this'll be really great for new riders too because it has everything without being 100lb or 4000$
I have the S16 Pro and can say that it is a great wheel so far. Its relatively light weight, compact design, good enough power & range makes it a better daily driver than larger, heavier wheels. At least for me anyways.
I am with Ronin with regards to the category of wheel topic - Ive sold off my V12HT and CP mini because they were too bulky for my enjoyment. Stuck to my 18XL for over 4000 miles and will side grade to the S16 Pro just for the suspension and the tire option that will allow me to ride on bumpier terrain. I'd like to have more speed on tap theoretically, but my idea of fun is to have lightweight safety gear and just cruise in residential areas between 25-30mph early in the morning.
32:00 I agree with Ronin about not trying to exclude the wider market by appealing to niche riders. Of course it's impossible to design a wheel that does it all, but most wheels have capabilities that overlap significantly and it is usually the rider that makes the most difference in how it performs. The riders vary in skill level, risk tolerance, height/weight, riding styles, and they choose what terrain to ride on. Honestly, I just want better customer support and quality control for existing wheels. Perhaps launch one or two new wheels each year but not half a dozen!
Where did you find the information that V14 Black version is different wheel with different motor and top speed? What I saw it is the same wheel like the orange V14 but with 50S batteries...
Agreed it just a battery thing, same motor, no difference in top speed, just more torque I guess from being able to discharge faster, negatives are they say cycle count on black one is reduced compared to GB version, just what I have read and heard.
I'm just a poor old man and I intend to buy a wheel this year, Maybe this month. Anyway, you keep saying $4000 like that is a lot and in a way it is but before finding these wheels I was looking at $15k or $20k ebikes. And snowmiles. $20 or $30k. Wheels are way more versatile than a snowmobile and way more interesting than an ebike and by comparison, actually cheap. Love your channel.
@@grb1969 I would but there is no such thing around here. They are basically illegal here. Even a decent powered ebike is illegal here. Not sure I want to chance Ebay for this. I'm thinking about the KS s16 pro. Might last me a long time. Also the inmotion V11Y but I am probably going to be more trail than street because of the law so KS s16 is maybe a better choice. I know it might be a little tougher to learn on than something less but since I have no real need for speed I might not need to upgrade for a long time until I need range. Do you think the KS s16 pro is a reasonable choice? Or do I sound crazy? lol I am just getting my ideas from TH-cam because there is nothing else. No one here even knew these exist until I showed them.
Personal opinions are going to vary widely among EUC enthusiasts. My concerns with the KS-s22 series is that the design of the suspension sliders was poorly executed. The "fix" came from the community which came in the form of roller-sliders as a 'temporary measure'. Instead of overhauling the original design flaw, the 'temporary fix' of roller-sliders was propagated to Kingsong's entire line-up thereby sabotaging all future Kingsong suspension wheel owners to expensive yearly maintenance or monthly cleanings if you go off-road or in rain. That said, I don't think that this should heavily influence your decision because no unicycles were really designed to last a long time. I just recommend padding the hell out of your wheel based on the number of s18 wheels I've seen with absurd amounts of body panel damage. I've got a KS-16x and I think it's one of the best non-suspension wheels available but I won't touch any of the suspension variants until proof of longevity is demonstrated to be possible through the aftermarket parts provided from community members. I you want to jump in to the EUC sport full-steam ahead, then I'd consider the Commander Mini; it has outrageously positive feedback and is fairly well designed. It won't be a commonly purchased wheel but it should last much longer than the Kingsong series. Don't underestimate the willingness of retailers to help you make this decision. Good luck with your new addiction to EUcs. @@ItsNotMeItsYou007
@@grb1969 I saw a video where they mentioned that you can get a choice of shocks on the S16 pro and I saw another one with a Begode shock. Part of my reasoning was that it is supposed to be waterproof. I live on the northern tip of Vancouver Island. It rains here. LOL I had sort of decided to purchase from EEVEEs in Vancouver. They don't sell the Commaner Mini. I am not bent tottaly on purchasing through them but they are likely the only place I actually will ever have the chance to visit. 500 miles away though and a $100 plus ferry ride X 2. I am deffinitely going to watch a few videos on the commander mini though and I appreciate the time you took to reply. Thank you.
In my opinion, the updating of existing wheels is good. Because I think for most wheels, a refinement is a good idea. For exaple: the Master pro gets an iteration with IPrating and better lights for starts. Then they might include better electronics for safety. Then one for better build quality etc. then, after a couple of iterations, the wheel will be great. Instead of building a completely new wheel 6 times a month, refine existing ones. I understand the handful of people who want the latest and greatest and highest speed. But I need a reliable commuter that can go a 100+ km with reasonable speed and weather resistant. I want a practical comfortable wheel.
Fantastic show! EUC racing is poor marketing strategy to grow the organic adoption rates needed to expand production/sales. All EUC companies seem to have no clue as to how to effectively increase consumer demand; it's actually sad to watch because marketing is a complex problem to solve, whereas advertising is easy but ineffective.
@@bobdebouwer7835 yes, but that’s an illusion because racing revenues have never exceeded the costs, it’s simply sponsored advertising at best, which is only feasible when driving mass-marketability. Even sports as popular as ski-racing require ‘artificial subsidies’ to rationalize their costs. Remember the X-games and how injuries skyrocketed because they structured the games for maximum carnage? No thanks, it’s literally a dead-end for everyone concerned. Sorry for the negativity, let’s end on a brighter note. I believe EUCs will out-sell both cars and motorcycles within 10-12 years. Technology is currently in development for a completely self-balanced, ride -stabilized EUC with traction control and power-assisted steering agility and powered jump-assist (like Mario Bros.). Stability-assist will probably be available within a few years, later evolving into an EUC that can ride across black-ice or hydroplane without loss of control. In about 10-15 years, gyro-assisted inverted-aerials will be possible on flat ground; wheel-assisted orientation control will enable multiple flips with precision landings given minimal experience. {imagine jumping over that road block rather than slowing down} Research is currently underway in Singapore. EUCs are the future, and imho only EUC robot racing is worth funding at this point so all efforts and business expenses will likely result in bankruptcy for all involved in the current situation. Let’s hope that people invest as little time and effort possible in this racing game, and maximize the fun and joy that comes from riding with the EUC community of their choice. I can understand why racing has encouraged to support EUC visibility but it’s still an extremely ignorant and regressive form of marketing strategy that externalizes loses to retailers and consumers. There’s a place for racing EUCs but following failed business models of the past is probably the worst place to begin. Unfortunately, this problem is much more complicated due to the lack of financial experience in this industry (which is why Bob got fired… it was a premeditated hit job, imo).
On the topic of safety, comfort seems to always be a consideration and that’s why we don’t ride around like the Michelin man. I recently saw there’s an electronically triggered airbag backpack that can immobilize a helmet protecting your spine and chest called the hmoov from helite which doesn’t seem to compromise comfort much. I’m saving up for one rn.
I think InMotion is doing what car companies do. They make a model, and then put out a new update of the model with a few more features every other year. Unlike Begode who put out a totally new EUC model totally different from the rest of their models. I like Inmotion business model of improving the model that is already out vs making a new wheel every time. Inmotion is basically listening to feedback and making the changes. People wanted more range on the V13, so they put more range on the V13 Pro. People wanted more speed on the V11, so the V11Y has more speed The New V12 needs suspension. No new wheel should be without suspension
With regards to the topic of how to make euc racing apealling: the best way would be to showcase something that is particular to euc as compared to other types of vehicle, as well as putting the euc's to the test in ways that actually messes with the ego of the manufacturers (not only begode and veteran competing to see who can make the fastest wheel, going in a strait line, without any imperfections on the road). Personally, I would really like to see unicycle rallying (actuall rallies, not races that are called rally only in name). Something that tests not only the speeds but also battery life, battery sag, reliability, traction over difficult terrain and torque both at hight and low speeds (when going up a hill or cornering).
i love these! idk what the e series for inmotion is but i feel like the p series stand for parallel because seb from ride one said that inmotion was working on a successor to the v3 which has two wheels
The last crash is one reason why we amatures, newbies, dreamers think we want more power than we plan to use. We are trying to figure out what we want or need from videos because we don't actually know anyone who has one. To look at one in person, I'd have to go 500 KLM and take a boat to get off my island. Just to look at one or talk to someone who has one. I'm the kind of person who researches stuff as much as possible before I decide.
I tend to stay away from Begode but if they adopt a modular design of their EUCs I'd become very interested in buying from them. Consider being able to attach/detach batteries for storage/transport as well as being able to facilitate a tire change with a lot less effort.
You say you didn't find yet the best pads for you. I suggest the powerknobz, that's what I use now. Just knobs for your ankles. No need to use the front of your leg, or do the stupid 90 degree leaning to accelerate. Just bend your knees. Plus they don't get in your way when you want to sit down!
Fun fact Katt Williams HAS an OG Veteran Sherman and says it was one of the best investments he's ever made in his life! This sport IS expanding more than people realize. There are other celebrities that have and ride regularly like Katt Williams does I'm sure! He familiar with ALL euc brands and all of their unicycles. He is an enthusiast for sure!
But Motorcycles these days do have significant safety features. Antilock brakes, traction control, difference in power modes for rain, etc. Not that it is tomorrow but my guess is that EUC's will probably advance eventually where they could proximity sensors and automatic braking if collision is immenent. Maybe ones that help you maintain side to side balance? The sky is the limit who knows
Motorcycle have been around for more than 100yrs now plus it's a signicantly larger market with larger companies who can spend more on R&D. Euc companies are probably not even 1/1000 size of honda
Hsiang, I think you're underselling how much safety there is left to get out of wheels. Redundant hall sensors, parallel batteries for safe fail states, protection against water ingress, and IEC/UL battery ratings are all areas where improvements can be made. I've been looking at picking up a wheel to take to work and it's hard for me to park anything but the Lynx (or the V14 once they get UL testing done) at my job as we have a lot of major fire hazards. Would another wheel be okay? Probably. But I find I can't morally justify risking millions of dollars of property damage without at least having independent safety testing on their batteries. Things like an extra hall sensor seems little, and probably is in the grand scheme of things, but for older riders taking a fall even at lower speeds can really ruin your day.
Why don't they set programming up on these wheels so that when you ignore the second beep or whatever point. It just does a gradual tilt back until it gets back to 80 or 90 percent? Could have a way to disable the feature for racing?
@@OWGAC Thanks for answering my comments! Isn't that what it does on tilt back? And I have heard the tilt back on some is definitely more abrupt. I just wondered if they could put more technology in the tilt back parameters? And yes comparing the resources between motorcycle companies and EUC companies is apples and oranges in terms of R&D resources etc. Jus meant that the technology is out there and somewhere down the road I won't be surprised to see some of it trickle down so to speak. Enjoy your videos sir! Just starting out my EUC journey. Turning 60 next month.
8:23 If the ET max is designed for racing then it probably accelerates more rapidly than the GT pro. The ET max is probably also more optimized for cornering. The gt pro is probably faster in a straight line eventually. With more focus around long-range High-speed cruising.
The thing with people criticizing wheel good time's video and saying that it was just "here say" have to also think about how Wheel good time has a close connection with Bob and also he just had a long interview with Bob on his channel and was the first to promote and show his products along with The other EUC rider from Australia. So him knowing that information wouldn't be out of reach or so farfetched
I’m more of a daily commuter. Something not too big, light and going 40 mph for the safety margin. Something that I can bring on the train and then use for the last mile would be something I’d like. It take the metro north to the city, but don’t want to hop on the subway. I’m liking the king song S16 pro, just not so flashy. And the Bluetooth speakers are unnecessary. Then there’s the whole UL battery certification thing that seems to be effecting the whole country.
Mk, about gt pro vs et max, you guys are mis informed or have not quite been informed. GT PRO uses the old c38 Motor, however they did change the rim size AND re-wired the copper coil in order to have a higher free spin. ET MAX, the only thing we know for sure of is, that it has curve magnets. GT PRO does not have curve magnets. This is why gt pro has a higher top speed. Now theres been debates on the RC world of curve magnets vs flat magnets. Results are Curve magnets are better in many many ways and it does induce a better top speed under load. Now the question is how much of a load can it be compared to when the free spin top speed is 29MPH higher.
do you know the exact dimensions of the V14? the stuff i found on the internet seemed off because the numbers said that the V14 is bigger in every dimension compared to the Lynx even though its a 16 inch wheel
While I agree with you that $4,000 is a high price point for and EUC, many of the cyclist enthusiasts (non-ebike bicycles) that I see on the paved bike trails I ride, easily spend that much on their bikes with no motor, no electronics, etc. And the real serious cyclists spend $10K-$15K on their bicycles, which is crazy to me.. Just something to consider when we are feeling that we are spending a lot of $$
Love the type of video, I dont agree at all with Ronin's perspective with racer wheels and riders.. around the world there are over 1000 ppl that buy the high performance wheels and you guys dont understand how many wheels kingsong sell ( the smaller 16x wheels) ... they & inmotion are the companies with the most sales according to a few of the industry or ex ceo including BOB from Inmotion , He recently said people don't understand how many smaller wheels kingsong sells. The racing (performance wheels are a smaller market & thats why u see kingsong focusing on smaller wheels. Keep these videos coming.
@@bobdebouwer7835 I said & this was coming from BOB the former inmotion ceo that KINGsong & inmotion sell the mostt wheel & they are the smaller wheels as I said in my comment above ...I think you didnt understand what i said,... Smaller wheels do not cost 3-4k & the top wheel are cheaper in other countries . The lynx is 1000 dollars cheaper if you buy it in Thailand as it is closer to china & they are much cheaper there even according to the YT Guy that lives in thai... all I was saying is the smaller wheels sell so much more & that is a fact.
Suspension euc center of gravity is way to high off the ground compared to a non suspension , it takes way to much to just control the euc over a non. suspension euc . especially with wind . You don't see a race cars that are jacked up off the ground . Low center of gravity makes it way easier to control and Manuever. Moto Gp bikes are lowered for better center of gravity and control . Suspension euc are like monster trucks with suspension very hard to control and Manuever. On a race track why do you need suspension on flat ground all that extra weight and is way less stable , keep it simple non suspension way less crap to replace way better control , people with weak legs need suspension ,. My opinion the veteran Sherman is the best overall euc ever made .
V13 is terrible it needs acceleration, its overpriced and I hate to say this the Begode Master pro accelerates so much faster and has a better suspension.
I disagree with your unusual contention that there's no safe motorcycle & so there's no safe EUC's. safety as you know in EUc's are implemented by a higher voltage for less cutouts, by better suspension, brighter front & rear lighting and also by better batteries for less fires. Inmotion clearly & successfully focuses on safety as a part of their brand
The price of these wheels will continue to hinder growth and adoption. I can buy a nice electric bike for around $1,300 that has dual suspension, range, and decent speed.
Unpopular opinion, probably; but I'd rather a wheel with a top speed of 35mph and range of 100 miles than a wheel that goes 65mph with a range of 30 miles.
I personally would want a 45mph 60lbs wheel with 70 miles range Edit: not 70 miles at a sustained 45mph but like 35mph and 60lbs including suspension. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
@@lvlogs-7931 well given the growth of technology and improvements in euc tech like lighter magnesium alloy battery housing and better controllers/motherboards for battery performance and efficiency I think once companies get over the big, fast race wheel craze that it’s totally possible. Actually I think the v11Y and v12 pro are almost there.
@@jtm94 ofc and bigger wheels have their other advantages but the convenience of a smaller size and weight while retaining relatively fast speeds for commuting is what I and I think many riders would ultimately want.
Jason is the man .His company Ewheels is a standard setting for all others to come close in customer service support and all around feels like family and truly one of a kind company.
Ronin, at 32:00 your SPOT ON. I agree with everything your were trying to say. I myself have swerved on a wheel because of its niche marketing.
I love these videos with all the EUC talk between two very well spoken and entertaining riders. Keep them coming guys. Great job!🙏🙌
I'm enjoying this new format. Perhaps clips of you guys riding and reviewing together would be awesome
they dynamic duo is back... NYC Power !!!
love this pair-up!
very entertaining!
Congrats on the colab that makes for a great video, hope you guys keep it going. 👏👏👏👏✌️✌️✌️👊👊👊
Love these longer conversations
I didnt get to be part of the bullet design lol. Begode came out to meet with me and seth in thailand since we had some potential struggle with visas. Begode does want to make a wheel with me, but we will need to figure out how to keep the price low enough for people to be worth making.
Fun Stuff! Love the Format of these chats. It good to see all of the wheels covered, and not in a competitive way. It Gives a more open and overall perspective on things.
These are awesome. You and ronin create a fantastic dymanic of enthusiasm and experience that is extremely enjoyable
Thank you for the video!
This is Great! Thanks for the back and forth feed back! So Smart!! I'd love to see more of this mind melding and analysis. Keep it coming fellas! :)
Thanks great talk, yes begode absolutely modular, a way to be creative
At min 30 of the video, I agree with ronin about the wheel labeling. If we as consumers spending this amount of money on a wheel, it should be used for everything. We are not sponsored to get so many wheels at our stable fot free 😂 I waited so long to find the perfect wheel as a new rider and finally jumpped the trigger om the lynx because its all around usage wheel.
I think the falcon will be a huge hit because it checks so many boxes. Small, it's got speed, suspension, and priced well. I think this'll be really great for new riders too because it has everything without being 100lb or 4000$
Yes, they are back 🎉🎉
Great podcast ! ⚡️
Very cool conversation 👍
Thanks for the collab guys!
HSIANG ---the word is ridden 2:18 "I HAVEN'T RIDDEN'
Wow I'm a huge ronin fan and even rode with him briefly once or twice in nyc but have never seen his face!
Well done you two time flew as you guys are great together, very complimentary. 6 pack Gord
Thank you! 🙏
"What wins on Sunday, sells on Monday!" Please keep up the wonderful work.
I have the S16 Pro and can say that it is a great wheel so far. Its relatively light weight, compact design, good enough power & range makes it a better daily driver than larger, heavier wheels. At least for me anyways.
Good, I am very curious about this as well as the Falcon coming out
I’ve really enjoyed the longer format videos
Great show! I wonder if there will be enough news for each new show but if not you can just talk about other EUC related stuff
I don't think there will be enough news but you can always find topics when it comes to eucs! Thank you for watching!
I am with Ronin with regards to the category of wheel topic - Ive sold off my V12HT and CP mini because they were too bulky for my enjoyment. Stuck to my 18XL for over 4000 miles and will side grade to the S16 Pro just for the suspension and the tire option that will allow me to ride on bumpier terrain. I'd like to have more speed on tap theoretically, but my idea of fun is to have lightweight safety gear and just cruise in residential areas between 25-30mph early in the morning.
32:00 I agree with Ronin about not trying to exclude the wider market by appealing to niche riders. Of course it's impossible to design a wheel that does it all, but most wheels have capabilities that overlap significantly and it is usually the rider that makes the most difference in how it performs. The riders vary in skill level, risk tolerance, height/weight, riding styles, and they choose what terrain to ride on.
Honestly, I just want better customer support and quality control for existing wheels. Perhaps launch one or two new wheels each year but not half a dozen!
great chat guys
Where did you find the information that V14 Black version is different wheel with different motor and top speed? What I saw it is the same wheel like the orange V14 but with 50S batteries...
Agreed it just a battery thing, same motor, no difference in top speed, just more torque I guess from being able to discharge faster, negatives are they say cycle count on black one is reduced compared to GB version, just what I have read and heard.
Listening to this podcast as I'm riding my 67v Airwheel X3 clone along the beach lol
these longer videos need chapter markers
I'm just a poor old man and I intend to buy a wheel this year, Maybe this month.
Anyway, you keep saying $4000 like that is a lot and in a way it is but before finding these wheels I was looking at $15k or $20k ebikes. And snowmiles. $20 or $30k. Wheels are way more versatile than a snowmobile and way more interesting than an ebike and by comparison, actually cheap.
Love your channel.
Always get a cheap used wheel first to learn on.
@@grb1969 I would but there is no such thing around here. They are basically illegal here. Even a decent powered ebike is illegal here.
Not sure I want to chance Ebay for this.
I'm thinking about the KS s16 pro. Might last me a long time. Also the inmotion V11Y but I am probably going to be more trail than street because of the law so KS s16 is maybe a better choice.
I know it might be a little tougher to learn on than something less but since I have no real need for speed I might not need to upgrade for a long time until I need range.
Do you think the KS s16 pro is a reasonable choice? Or do I sound crazy? lol
I am just getting my ideas from TH-cam because there is nothing else. No one here even knew these exist until I showed them.
Personal opinions are going to vary widely among EUC enthusiasts. My concerns with the KS-s22 series is that the design of the suspension sliders was poorly executed. The "fix" came from the community which came in the form of roller-sliders as a 'temporary measure'. Instead of overhauling the original design flaw, the 'temporary fix' of roller-sliders was propagated to Kingsong's entire line-up thereby sabotaging all future Kingsong suspension wheel owners to expensive yearly maintenance or monthly cleanings if you go off-road or in rain.
That said, I don't think that this should heavily influence your decision because no unicycles were really designed to last a long time. I just recommend padding the hell out of your wheel based on the number of s18 wheels I've seen with absurd amounts of body panel damage.
I've got a KS-16x and I think it's one of the best non-suspension wheels available but I won't touch any of the suspension variants until proof of longevity is demonstrated to be possible through the aftermarket parts provided from community members.
I you want to jump in to the EUC sport full-steam ahead, then I'd consider the Commander Mini; it has outrageously positive feedback and is fairly well designed. It won't be a commonly purchased wheel but it should last much longer than the Kingsong series.
Don't underestimate the willingness of retailers to help you make this decision. Good luck with your new addiction to EUcs.
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@@grb1969 I saw a video where they mentioned that you can get a choice of shocks on the S16 pro and I saw another one with a Begode shock.
Part of my reasoning was that it is supposed to be waterproof.
I live on the northern tip of Vancouver Island. It rains here. LOL
I had sort of decided to purchase from EEVEEs in Vancouver.
They don't sell the Commaner Mini.
I am not bent tottaly on purchasing through them but they are likely the only place I actually will ever have the chance to visit. 500 miles away though and a $100 plus ferry ride X 2.
I am deffinitely going to watch a few videos on the commander mini though and I appreciate the time you took to reply. Thank you.
The V14 rated as water-resistant and is worth the added cost but it's not really a beginner wheel. I would trust Eevee's advice.
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I think Begode is still learning how to properly tune that new motor.
100% I want a lifestyle euc!! I always have! K
I think Lynx seems pretty close to it as far as a big wheel is concerned.
Mosfet/Ronin talk time!!!!
In my opinion, the updating of existing wheels is good. Because I think for most wheels, a refinement is a good idea. For exaple: the Master pro gets an iteration with IPrating and better lights for starts. Then they might include better electronics for safety. Then one for better build quality etc. then, after a couple of iterations, the wheel will be great. Instead of building a completely new wheel 6 times a month, refine existing ones.
I understand the handful of people who want the latest and greatest and highest speed. But I need a reliable commuter that can go a 100+ km with reasonable speed and weather resistant. I want a practical comfortable wheel.
I think that was what inmotion do with their wheels, but we'll see how they evolve their line up with this many new wheels
Fantastic show!
EUC racing is poor marketing strategy to grow the organic adoption rates needed to expand production/sales. All EUC companies seem to have no clue as to how to effectively increase consumer demand; it's actually sad to watch because marketing is a complex problem to solve, whereas advertising is easy but ineffective.
Racing has been very important in promoting cars. So I can understand that they try it.
@@bobdebouwer7835 yes, but that’s an illusion because racing revenues have never exceeded the costs, it’s simply sponsored advertising at best, which is only feasible when driving mass-marketability.
Even sports as popular as ski-racing require ‘artificial subsidies’ to rationalize their costs. Remember the X-games and how injuries skyrocketed because they structured the games for maximum carnage? No thanks, it’s literally a dead-end for everyone concerned.
Sorry for the negativity, let’s end on a brighter note. I believe EUCs will out-sell both cars and motorcycles within 10-12 years. Technology is currently in development for a completely self-balanced, ride -stabilized EUC with traction control and power-assisted steering agility and powered jump-assist (like Mario Bros.). Stability-assist will probably be available within a few years, later evolving into an EUC that can ride across black-ice or hydroplane without loss of control. In about 10-15 years, gyro-assisted inverted-aerials will be possible on flat ground; wheel-assisted orientation control will enable multiple flips with precision landings given minimal experience. {imagine jumping over that road block rather than slowing down} Research is currently underway in Singapore.
EUCs are the future, and imho only EUC robot racing is worth funding at this point so all efforts and business expenses will likely result in bankruptcy for all involved in the current situation. Let’s hope that people invest as little time and effort possible in this racing game, and maximize the fun and joy that comes from riding with the EUC community of their choice.
I can understand why racing has encouraged to support EUC visibility but it’s still an extremely ignorant and regressive form of marketing strategy that externalizes loses to retailers and consumers.
There’s a place for racing EUCs but following failed business models of the past is probably the worst place to begin. Unfortunately, this problem is much more complicated due to the lack of financial experience in this industry (which is why Bob got fired… it was a premeditated hit job, imo).
@@grb1969💯. That's what i was trying to explain 🙇
On the topic of safety, comfort seems to always be a consideration and that’s why we don’t ride around like the Michelin man. I recently saw there’s an electronically triggered airbag backpack that can immobilize a helmet protecting your spine and chest called the hmoov from helite which doesn’t seem to compromise comfort much. I’m saving up for one rn.
Every time I watch a video with Ronin in it I start talking like jacques cousteau or inspector clouseau 👈🏻🤣. Great video! 😊
Interesting side effect!
We need the Hsiang Ronin podcast
nice talk, i like these videos
I think InMotion is doing what car companies do. They make a model, and then put out a new update of the model with a few more features every other year. Unlike Begode who put out a totally new EUC model totally different from the rest of their models.
I like Inmotion business model of improving the model that is already out vs making a new wheel every time.
Inmotion is basically listening to feedback and making the changes. People wanted more range on the V13, so they put more range on the V13 Pro. People wanted more speed on the V11, so the V11Y has more speed
The New V12 needs suspension. No new wheel should be without suspension
With regards to the topic of how to make euc racing apealling: the best way would be to showcase something that is particular to euc as compared to other types of vehicle, as well as putting the euc's to the test in ways that actually messes with the ego of the manufacturers (not only begode and veteran competing to see who can make the fastest wheel, going in a strait line, without any imperfections on the road). Personally, I would really like to see unicycle rallying (actuall rallies, not races that are called rally only in name). Something that tests not only the speeds but also battery life, battery sag, reliability, traction over difficult terrain and torque both at hight and low speeds (when going up a hill or cornering).
Don't forget Inmotion makes scooters too. All those new models won't be EUCs. Some will be scooters and maybe e-bike
i love these! idk what the e series for inmotion is but i feel like the p series stand for parallel because seb from ride one said that inmotion was working on a successor to the v3 which has two wheels
The last crash is one reason why we amatures, newbies, dreamers think we want more power than we plan to use.
We are trying to figure out what we want or need from videos because we don't actually know anyone who has one.
To look at one in person, I'd have to go 500 KLM and take a boat to get off my island. Just to look at one or talk to someone who has one.
I'm the kind of person who researches stuff as much as possible before I decide.
I tend to stay away from Begode but if they adopt a modular design of their EUCs I'd become very interested in buying from them. Consider being able to attach/detach batteries for storage/transport as well as being able to facilitate a tire change with a lot less effort.
2:30 1300lb spring is way way way too much for Hsiang, for most riders 1000lb or under is a way to go
You say you didn't find yet the best pads for you. I suggest the powerknobz, that's what I use now. Just knobs for your ankles. No need to use the front of your leg, or do the stupid 90 degree leaning to accelerate. Just bend your knees.
Plus they don't get in your way when you want to sit down!
Fun fact Katt Williams HAS an OG Veteran Sherman and says it was one of the best investments he's ever made in his life! This sport IS expanding more than people realize. There are other celebrities that have and ride regularly like Katt Williams does I'm sure! He familiar with ALL euc brands and all of their unicycles. He is an enthusiast for sure!
Is there vid footage
@@Stan0619 I've been trying to find some. Haven't found any at the moment. He talks about it on a podcast with Joe Rogan
That’s why I’m glad I put a pause on the V14 and may apply my pre-order deposit to something else.
This is basically a podcast just without the title
I don’t believe there’s an air chamber on the ET max that is nitrogen charged shock. Do not mess with the nitrogen.
But Motorcycles these days do have significant safety features. Antilock brakes, traction control, difference in power modes for rain, etc. Not that it is tomorrow but my guess is that EUC's will probably advance eventually where they could proximity sensors and automatic braking if collision is immenent. Maybe ones that help you maintain side to side balance? The sky is the limit who knows
Motorcycle have been around for more than 100yrs now plus it's a signicantly larger market with larger companies who can spend more on R&D. Euc companies are probably not even 1/1000 size of honda
Hsiang, I think you're underselling how much safety there is left to get out of wheels. Redundant hall sensors, parallel batteries for safe fail states, protection against water ingress, and IEC/UL battery ratings are all areas where improvements can be made. I've been looking at picking up a wheel to take to work and it's hard for me to park anything but the Lynx (or the V14 once they get UL testing done) at my job as we have a lot of major fire hazards. Would another wheel be okay? Probably. But I find I can't morally justify risking millions of dollars of property damage without at least having independent safety testing on their batteries. Things like an extra hall sensor seems little, and probably is in the grand scheme of things, but for older riders taking a fall even at lower speeds can really ruin your day.
Why don't they set programming up on these wheels so that when you ignore the second beep or whatever point. It just does a gradual tilt back until it gets back to 80 or 90 percent? Could have a way to disable the feature for racing?
Because it'll have to maintain balance, if it slows down when ur leaning to far forward, It'll lose that balance n you'll fall over
@@OWGAC Thanks for answering my comments! Isn't that what it does on tilt back? And I have heard the tilt back on some is definitely more abrupt. I just wondered if they could put more technology in the tilt back parameters? And yes comparing the resources between motorcycle companies and EUC companies is apples and oranges in terms of R&D resources etc. Jus meant that the technology is out there and somewhere down the road I won't be surprised to see some of it trickle down so to speak. Enjoy your videos sir! Just starting out my EUC journey. Turning 60 next month.
If Taylor Swift rode euc every day our community would explode😁😁 huge Thx for jour vidéo
8:23 If the ET max is designed for racing then it probably accelerates more rapidly than the GT pro. The ET max is probably also more optimized for cornering. The gt pro is probably faster in a straight line eventually. With more focus around long-range High-speed cruising.
When did 220km/h become 180mph?
Otherwise great discussion and good info thanks.
What's your thought on Nycha's recent prohibition of electric unicycles and other pevs except for ebike and escooters.
11:21 bro wants the hellcat of wheels 😂
Too long to hold my attention, I skipped through muc. But 👍for all the other great content you provide.
Cheers
Omg what happened to keeping the helmet on like we previously discussed? 😂😂
The thing with people criticizing wheel good time's video and saying that it was just "here say" have to also think about how Wheel good time has a close connection with Bob and also he just had a long interview with Bob on his channel and was the first to promote and show his products along with The other EUC rider from Australia. So him knowing that information wouldn't be out of reach or so farfetched
Wonder why did they not call them Y or v2 instead of pro considering how much change/increase in performance.
Masses of people don't buy race cars, masses of people buy commuter cars...
I’m more of a daily commuter. Something not too big, light and going 40 mph for the safety margin. Something that I can bring on the train and then use for the last mile would be something I’d like. It take the metro north to the city, but don’t want to hop on the subway. I’m liking the king song S16 pro, just not so flashy. And the Bluetooth speakers are unnecessary.
Then there’s the whole UL battery certification thing that seems to be effecting the whole country.
Look at Commander Mini... much better hydraulic suspension and sliders. ~$2500
Mk, about gt pro vs et max, you guys are mis informed or have not quite been informed. GT PRO uses the old c38 Motor, however they did change the rim size AND re-wired the copper coil in order to have a higher free spin. ET MAX, the only thing we know for sure of is, that it has curve magnets. GT PRO does not have curve magnets. This is why gt pro has a higher top speed. Now theres been debates on the RC world of curve magnets vs flat magnets. Results are Curve magnets are better in many many ways and it does induce a better top speed under load. Now the question is how much of a load can it be compared to when the free spin top speed is 29MPH higher.
do you know the exact dimensions of the V14? the stuff i found on the internet seemed off because the numbers said that the V14 is bigger in every dimension compared to the Lynx even though its a 16 inch wheel
I ride non-suspension. I can't stand the failure point of suspension. It's just more maintenance.
I need another v12 with sus and still b around 60lbs .. thats my ideal wheel.. if the v14 was 60lbs and 45/50mph top speed ..it would of been great
The guy who crashed into rear bumper had no sleep that night or something, i read his story way back ago.
37:21 yeahhh I don't want my wheel listening to me 😅
Redundancy is very obtainable
12:20 like A Onewheel/Floatwheel
While I agree with you that $4,000 is a high price point for and EUC, many of the cyclist enthusiasts (non-ebike bicycles) that I see on the paved bike trails I ride, easily spend that much on their bikes with no motor, no electronics, etc. And the real serious cyclists spend $10K-$15K on their bicycles, which is crazy to me.. Just something to consider when we are feeling that we are spending a lot of $$
I still think the ks22 pro is the best jumping wheel
If Apple made a car, would it have windows ?
They put out wheels multiple times in multiple iteration because it is soo cheap to make them. Not even ¼ of the selling price. And they need Dollars.
Love the type of video, I dont agree at all with Ronin's perspective with racer wheels and riders.. around the world there are over 1000 ppl that buy the high performance wheels and you guys dont understand how many wheels kingsong sell ( the smaller 16x wheels) ... they & inmotion are the companies with the most sales according to a few of the industry or ex ceo including BOB from Inmotion , He recently said people don't understand how many smaller wheels kingsong sells. The racing (performance wheels are a smaller market & thats why u see kingsong focusing on smaller wheels.
Keep these videos coming.
Most of the world can't spend 3-4k on a wheel. Maybe they can, but they have other priorities.
@@bobdebouwer7835 I said & this was coming from BOB the former inmotion ceo that KINGsong & inmotion sell the mostt wheel & they are the smaller wheels as I said in my comment above ...I think you didnt understand what i said,... Smaller wheels do not cost 3-4k & the top wheel are cheaper in other countries . The lynx is 1000 dollars cheaper if you buy it in Thailand as it is closer to china & they are much cheaper there even according to the YT Guy that lives in thai... all I was saying is the smaller wheels sell so much more & that is a fact.
child labor is like something thats assumed which you need to disprove now, but thats just cus of how common it has been
watching this on qust 3...
wake up Sammmy !
First comment, hi from sweden! :D
Suspension euc center of gravity is way to high off the ground compared to a non suspension , it takes way to much to just control the euc over a non. suspension euc . especially with wind . You don't see a race cars that are jacked up off the ground . Low center of gravity makes it way easier to control and Manuever. Moto Gp bikes are lowered for better center of gravity and control . Suspension euc are like monster trucks with suspension very hard to control and Manuever. On a race track why do you need suspension on flat ground all that extra weight and is way less stable , keep it simple non suspension way less crap to replace way better control , people with weak legs need suspension ,. My opinion the veteran Sherman is the best overall euc ever made .
V13 is terrible it needs acceleration, its overpriced and I hate to say this the Begode Master pro accelerates so much faster and has a better suspension.
I disagree with your unusual contention that there's no safe motorcycle & so there's no safe EUC's. safety as you know in EUc's are implemented by a higher voltage for less cutouts, by better suspension, brighter front & rear lighting and also by better batteries for less fires. Inmotion clearly & successfully focuses on safety as a part of their brand
The price of these wheels will continue to hinder growth and adoption. I can buy a nice electric bike for around $1,300 that has dual suspension, range, and decent speed.
Am I the only one thats experiencing a jump every 5 seconds... I stopped watching after 2min of checking my settings...
gt pro is faster because it has the c38 motor
Unpopular opinion, probably; but I'd rather a wheel with a top speed of 35mph and range of 100 miles than a wheel that goes 65mph with a range of 30 miles.
I personally would want a 45mph 60lbs wheel with 70 miles range
Edit: not 70 miles at a sustained 45mph but like 35mph and 60lbs including suspension. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
@@justaguywithoutapfp6181that’s the exn man or the nickola 2700 or the og Sherman otherwise 60 lbs is impossible for that kind of range
You can ride any wheel slower to get more range so your choice is always there. Ride most big wheels 30 or slower and you'll get incredible range.
@@lvlogs-7931 well given the growth of technology and improvements in euc tech like lighter magnesium alloy battery housing and better controllers/motherboards for battery performance and efficiency I think once companies get over the big, fast race wheel craze that it’s totally possible.
Actually I think the v11Y and v12 pro are almost there.
@@jtm94 ofc and bigger wheels have their other advantages but the convenience of a smaller size and weight while retaining relatively fast speeds for commuting is what I and I think many riders would ultimately want.
Cool video but Hsiang always talking and not giving Ronin enough time to talk! Blah blah blah blah blah! Geez!
I feel like it‘s a normal conversation 😂
Hsiang is a great person to discuss EUCs with. As a result I tend sometimes to listen forgetting i must interact too 😅.
@@floatypiet 90% of talking was done by Hsiang! Lol!
@@stealtherider3008nach I can‘t agree on that. And I have met Shawn. He‘s a great guy with a lot of knowledge. Let him speak haha
bob yan is useless ceo, just put 50% of budget in marketing and call yourself man that creates iconic products while failing 3 of 3 wheels
I disagree