Artosis, let me tell you something to make you feel better. This guy is the famous low APM Chinese player, ID Shuiyazi, who beat the korean pro gamer "Free" in a ladder game with a 2-base carriers strategy . Free was cursing his opponent cheating in his live broadcast, but later he has to apologize to his fans after he checked the replay....haha....
9:02 I laughed so hard. Artosis leaning to the side, a dejected look on his face, right off of a loss to Protoss Scouts, being forced to listen to Mario erotica.
Scouts have insanely high air-to-air DPS. Unless you have a lot of Valks, Scouts will always win. Not sure why Artosis still thinks Valks are counters to Scouts. Snow also laughed about this.
Who knows maybe it was a pro who saw Arty's username and decided to troll him by beating him with 6 carriers and 105 apm. I wouldn't be surpised if we see this on Snow's stream as he is giving Arty an evil giggle
agreed. artosis would never admit it but if you can win with 1/2 or 1/3 of the APM then you're making better decisions and your actions are more meaningful
@@EB-bl6cc yeah actually takes alot smarter of strategy bc then its not so much action as decisions so he really is wayyyy smarter. Its just facts. I hate guys that cry about it. Just makes you even more dumb than you already are. Get good or continue to suck, your choice.
@@EB-bl6cc Absolutely. I have knew a terran that was between a B and an A players who was around 100 apm using minimal hotkeys. Artosis said in a video 180 apm as a terran is a d player, which is just silly. It depends on the specific player and the decisions they're making.
I mean there is no world where artosis is 'mediocre' either, hes better than 99% of players who have ever played this game, but there are still people that are just that much better than he is
@@UrbanGridL Well the people that are still playing BW are the hardcore players now. It's not like it's getting new players. So even a "B player" is a top 1-2% player in the old days.
Well played, Artosis! You fought valiantly, but alas it was the opponent who was superior this game. His macro was flawless, his micro impeccable, his decision making slow yet his willpower unassailable. I suggest you watch the replay and take notes of his playstyle; encountering a player of such calibre on the ladder is an exceedingly rare occurrence. You should consider yourself lucky.
Artosis, serious comment. I've been watching you for many many many years, since when GSL first started. We are the exact same age. I am a chef for a living, and on a day to day and for years i have to deal with extreme pressure. This is NOT a troll.. but when i watch your body language while you play BW you just seem to be tense which I think may affect your gameplay. An old French chef who trained me told me once.. "You must have a COLD mind, but a warm body". This might get some laughs but I really wanted to share this with you. Also-- I know the ladder sucks and all the smurfs and stuff, and being unlucky... but the fact that your passion for SC gets involved with your emotions its gonna prevent you from growing as a player. You literally just have to be emotionless.. dead... Honestly from a bro to a bro I hope you might read this.
I truly ADMIRE your self deprecation humor which im not sure your editor does or if your all in to for views.. like the snow rivalry is straight fucking gold... but seriously... cold.. calm... destroy all competition.
Seeing Artosis post at late evening North America time is like seeing a nun swearing, trolling an insult, then finish with victory twerk. What an experience!
The guys in the chat are really funny lauging at 100apm when most of them probably barely have 1700mmr and we have seen from streams of them playing and some have 50 💀
Exactly, it depends on your skill level. I literally knew a guy who's APM was like 80 with minimal hotkeys, and his main race was terran, but he was good at every race. He was nasty good, and would crush all those people laughing with his 80 apm. I have seen him beat b+ A- players with 280 APM. I told him he would probably be a pro if he started using hotkeys and got his APM up.
No need to overthink apm. Even if you have consistently higher apm during the game, decision making is something you need to get right almost every single beat. Even a single decision in the wrong direction can undo all what the apm did for you the last 10 minutes.
The protoss not feeling any pressure at least from vultures eventually pumped the whole economy into scouts but it still was entertaining to watch regardless. I used to do the same when i was playing Brood War to try to get out from the very repetitive meta that everyone was doing.
8:59 its amazing how this man can keep his composure after a loss ALL THE MEANWHILE while the TTS reads off the most wackiest smut Ive ever heard in MY LIFE 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Ghosts, turrets on mining bases, bunkers w/marines in mining bases, cloaked wraiths, science vessel with emp (hey, we're talking ghosts as an option here)
This protoss also had 200-250 APM. 105 is only his average for the whole game, and last 20 minutes he was playing without a working base with 1 control group of units.
Arty does so so many useless things. He will spend 15 seconds microing vultures while he has 7 factories not producing anything. His coaching sessions with Scan were so frustrating as rather than just listen to scan and actually trying to implement what he says to do he just argued with him.
@@amai2307 yeah that's exactly what i was thinking. He was like "el oh el look 105 APM" but the guy was just flying around with carriers for 20 min, ofc the APM average will dip a lot
the guy is protoss wtf did you expect artosis? they are a no skill a-move race i thought after 20 years you woulda known this wtf bro im surprize the guy even needed 105 to play protoss its legit a a-move race! he was showing off his apm
Arty’s hatred towards the easiness of playing Protoss is how I feel playing Apex Legends on mnk versus controller players who abuse aim assist. Those who know…know.
LOL when was the last time we had carrier against zerg, a while ago because zerg has scourge and hydra. Btw do you know what light said about lockdown vs carrier?
In the first game wouldn’t you keep you’re goliaths further from the carriers to take out interceptors and take less damage? Especially since arty was certain he hadn’t been mining?? Meantime monitor bases he might expand to? We didn’t see the whole match I guess but that’s my thinking
@@dew9103 Once all the nexus are destroyed then all the protoss units would have been revealed. Additionally, once all a player's buildings are destroyed then they lose, no matter what units they have. Edit: Base kill would have won the game, yeah. Got all the nexus being destroyed and all buildings being destroyed mixed up.
If that group of carriers was all the opponent had, why not counterattack their base or even try to win a zero-buildings victory, rather than chasing their unkillable army? Or if the opponent doesn't expand anywhere, why not expand all over the map and evacuate endangered SCVs instead of fighting? If the carriers are in the bottom left, then they can't do anything about expos in the top right, for example. In contrast, having all your bases hugging the left side seemingly made things very easy for the carriers.
Maybe a stupid question but why dosnt he just Target the actual carriers and not just the millions of whatver they are called that the carrier's themselves prodruce?
Once there's that many carriers, your goliaths can't even close in on them. The goliaths will evaporate as they try to walk close enough and the carriers? They will move over some terrain and your goliaths will bump into each other and the terrain. Goliaths are meant to counter guardians, battlecruisers, arbiters, shoot down transports...but they really don't do good vs carriers as we see over and over again. Ideally a terran doesn't let the protoss get so many carriers out, it's basically a timer and once 6+ carriers are out terran loses.
I don't think 105APM is really THAT low, especially considering it probably dropped off hard once he had an army of a single control group for several minutes. He was probably averaging about 2 commands per second or higher from the start of the game, which... do you really need more than that to be effective if you're always issuing decent commands or exploiting weak spots in your opponent?
It's the floor for playing Starcraft effectively at a competitive level. Obviously playing protoss helps a lot when your APM is low haha...I'd like to see someone win with 100 APM as zerg!
Well plus it's against Arty, who often just turtles and usually puts no pressure on his opponent, so if you're macroing carriers and the opponent is just turtling in his bases it doesn't take a bunch of APM to win. If you want to exploit a low APM opponent you need to attack him, preferably with multi-prong aggression. If he can't step up his APM, you'll crush him.
I am not a BW expert by any means but could he just do couple ghosts and lock some of those carriers in place? As he said he had a shit load of money 😂
Yes, Arty, you suck at this game. And that is why I enjoy your streams so much. You always have excuses when people beat you. The thing is that you never do anything original, anything of your own. You just memorise what others do and then hope that by replicating it in your games you'll have the same results. True, you have success but people will always play you around unless you sit down and start thinking for a change instead of replicating.
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Artosis, let me tell you something to make you feel better. This guy is the famous low APM Chinese player, ID Shuiyazi, who beat the korean pro gamer "Free" in a ladder game with a 2-base carriers strategy . Free was cursing his opponent cheating in his live broadcast, but later he has to apologize to his fans after he checked the replay....haha....
Ahahaha would appreciate a link!
What kind of cheat he was trying to accuse? Maphack?
imagine artosis apologising omegalul
Wait, is this true? That's incredible if it is.
Amazing ^.^
9:02 I laughed so hard. Artosis leaning to the side, a dejected look on his face, right off of a loss to Protoss Scouts, being forced to listen to Mario erotica.
dude im literally crying right now
@@milanaleksic8979Heheh~.
Yeah, his streams are gold.
artosis is so good at making mistakes he makes them twice as fast as the normal gamer.
he's so good even outside of his stream persona he thinks Sea misplacing his wall in ASL groups is a signal for him to get nerd chills.
🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 So true!!! He plays like a bot. He reminds me of how the computer plays - you hit a structure and it sends all its workers to defend....
The apm is 105 because the last 1/2 of the game was just killing stuff with a group of carriers.
@@AimRobotdid you read what this guy said? It's only that low cuz he was cruising around with carriers for half the game
@@davidm2031 Protoss hard
One would think you could just go for a full base trade and win
@@chloesmith4065also, keep expanding and saving the scvs every time they kill a cc.
I laughed out loud at the fart noise when the Valks got wrecked by the Scouts. I genuinely thought that'd be the other way around.
Scouts have insanely high air-to-air DPS. Unless you have a lot of Valks, Scouts will always win.
Not sure why Artosis still thinks Valks are counters to Scouts. Snow also laughed about this.
Scouts are tanky af, they're just expensive as all getup
I can only imagine POV of that toss player clicking all keyboard shortcuts with his index finger only.
Who knows maybe it was a pro who saw Arty's username and decided to troll him by beating him with 6 carriers and 105 apm. I wouldn't be surpised if we see this on Snow's stream as he is giving Arty an evil giggle
Wdym? Snow would just spam scouts lol
Look at the second highest comment here. It was a pro
@@Jamesgalc-gs8wuah that makes sense, especially not just a pro but a Chinese low apm pro who specializes in carrier play
@@Sc9cvsd agree
@GK-gc9cv artosis needs to chill lol
I have more respect for the person that wins with lower APM than with higher.
agreed. artosis would never admit it but if you can win with 1/2 or 1/3 of the APM then you're making better decisions and your actions are more meaningful
@@EB-bl6cc yeah actually takes alot smarter of strategy bc then its not so much action as decisions so he really is wayyyy smarter. Its just facts. I hate guys that cry about it. Just makes you even more dumb than you already are. Get good or continue to suck, your choice.
@@EB-bl6ccor u just use carriers
@@EB-bl6cc Absolutely. I have knew a terran that was between a B and an A players who was around 100 apm using minimal hotkeys. Artosis said in a video 180 apm as a terran is a d player, which is just silly. It depends on the specific player and the decisions they're making.
Happens to me in Dota too after 15k hours
Opponent: wins
Artosis: "He did nothing well! He's so trash at this game!"
lmao
😂😂😂😂😂
I actually understand where he's coming from, like, mechanically, macro wise, expansion or lack thereof, etc... but hey, rock beats paper.
Legend has it his APM is so slow he's still trying to type back to Artosis lol
not sure how much apm he was supposed to have after 20 minuted in rpg mode with 1 control group of units.
Damn losing to scouts is kinda crazy, literally tells you the gap between mediocre and pro
Yeah it shows how pro macro can overcome how expensive scouts are against a worse player since they're good units ignoring cost.
I mean there is no world where artosis is 'mediocre' either, hes better than 99% of players who have ever played this game, but there are still people that are just that much better than he is
@@BinxyBrown he’s mediocre dude. 26 years of competitive brood war and still slapped on by B players pretty consistently is wild.
@@UrbanGridL Well the people that are still playing BW are the hardcore players now. It's not like it's getting new players. So even a "B player" is a top 1-2% player in the old days.
Well played, Artosis! You fought valiantly, but alas it was the opponent who was superior this game. His macro was flawless, his micro impeccable, his decision making slow yet his willpower unassailable. I suggest you watch the replay and take notes of his playstyle; encountering a player of such calibre on the ladder is an exceedingly rare occurrence. You should consider yourself lucky.
Artrosis, lets be honest, about half of your APM are actual inputs, the other half is just you mindlessly spamming keys while mining in the early game
Half is APM is him undoing the bad moves the other half of his caused
Doesn't work like that, early game APM gets averaged out very quick.
i love how this guy in the background just sits there and enjoys life
Classic Artosis.
*Loses game*
"My opponent sucks. Every race I'm not playing is just OP and carried them."
Artosis, serious comment. I've been watching you for many many many years, since when GSL first started. We are the exact same age. I am a chef for a living, and on a day to day and for years i have to deal with extreme pressure. This is NOT a troll.. but when i watch your body language while you play BW you just seem to be tense which I think may affect your gameplay. An old French chef who trained me told me once.. "You must have a COLD mind, but a warm body". This might get some laughs but I really wanted to share this with you.
Also-- I know the ladder sucks and all the smurfs and stuff, and being unlucky... but the fact that your passion for SC gets involved with your emotions its gonna prevent you from growing as a player. You literally just have to be emotionless.. dead... Honestly from a bro to a bro I hope you might read this.
I truly ADMIRE your self deprecation humor which im not sure your editor does or if your all in to for views.. like the snow rivalry is straight fucking gold... but seriously... cold.. calm... destroy all competition.
@@honyakeyYou come off schizophrenic af, bro to bro. Artosis will never read this, you're screaming into the void.
@@jacobbatchelor7877 Rekt, m8
RT reads a lot more than people think
Effective vs ineffective APM
terran vs protoss apm
RT's opponent is really good at making carriers! Very useful talent toi have.
3:08 hahaha "ihave no comment" that literally was best comment ever!
6:48 LOL, nice mines. XD
Seeing Artosis post at late evening North America time is like seeing a nun swearing, trolling an insult, then finish with victory twerk. What an experience!
This is so relatable its painful
Waiting on some good replays to be casted today Saiyan. Let's goooo.
I can see the other player watching a movie eating snacks, while he plays starcraft on the side just barely paying attention.
Carrier micro in a nutshell
The guys in the chat are really funny lauging at 100apm when most of them probably barely have 1700mmr and we have seen from streams of them playing and some have 50 💀
Exactly, it depends on your skill level. I literally knew a guy who's APM was like 80 with minimal hotkeys, and his main race was terran, but he was good at every race. He was nasty good, and would crush all those people laughing with his 80 apm. I have seen him beat b+ A- players with 280 APM. I told him he would probably be a pro if he started using hotkeys and got his APM up.
No need to overthink apm.
Even if you have consistently higher apm during the game, decision making is something you need to get right almost every single beat.
Even a single decision in the wrong direction can undo all what the apm did for you the last 10 minutes.
"He hasn't been mining for like 10 minutes".
As he's at 71 minerals with income.
He had like a 5k bank and 200 supply though lol
Arty forgets to make turrets in key locations. They would save his life and lower his anger.
Imagine calling stuff like "never happened in RTS" when you only play brood war lol
The protoss not feeling any pressure at least from vultures eventually pumped the whole economy into scouts but it still was entertaining to watch regardless. I used to do the same when i was playing Brood War to try to get out from the very repetitive meta that everyone was doing.
8:59 its amazing how this man can keep his composure after a loss ALL THE MEANWHILE while the TTS reads off the most wackiest smut Ive ever heard in MY LIFE
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Who is the 500apm 20mins into the game scout toss?
Just bumrushing the opponent's base in that situation _has_ to be the right call... I mean, he barely had any buildings!
Base trading is often the right move when you have 6 bases to the enemy's 2
Why didn’t he save up his units? Could have even gone ghosts to finish that.
Ghosts, turrets on mining bases, bunkers w/marines in mining bases, cloaked wraiths, science vessel with emp (hey, we're talking ghosts as an option here)
The smile he has while watching artosis's pain is so funny 8:00
Those Protoss mutalisk things seemed op, I’m surprised I don’t see more people using them.
Making carriers a very useful talent toi have
I play at 70 APM and beat a 250 APM high APM usually just means you spam a bunch rather than making actions that matter.
not nessesarily. when i play zerg i naturally have 200ish apm without spamming at all
This protoss also had 200-250 APM. 105 is only his average for the whole game, and last 20 minutes he was playing without a working base with 1 control group of units.
Arty does so so many useless things. He will spend 15 seconds microing vultures while he has 7 factories not producing anything. His coaching sessions with Scan were so frustrating as rather than just listen to scan and actually trying to implement what he says to do he just argued with him.
70 apm in broodwar? I feel like that little in bw isn't even enough to make scvs lmao
@@amai2307 yeah that's exactly what i was thinking. He was like "el oh el look 105 APM" but the guy was just flying around with carriers for 20 min, ofc the APM average will dip a lot
9:19 kills me 🤣
I have literally had nightmares of losing to carriers
Even if memeing, 3-3-1 scouts actually a lil scary
Yeah scouts actually have good stats they’re just way too expensive
Thanks for sharing this with us. It gave me a lot of hope 😅
Shouldn't siege tanks be able to shoot air units over high ground when they're on a ramp?
the guy is protoss wtf did you expect artosis? they are a no skill a-move race i thought after 20 years you woulda known this wtf bro im surprize the guy even needed 105 to play protoss its legit a a-move race! he was showing off his apm
Isn't base trade a thing in sc?
Conceptually, Artosis is like Jesus, he suffers for our entertainment LLLLLLLLLL
Arty’s hatred towards the easiness of playing Protoss is how I feel playing Apex Legends on mnk versus controller players who abuse aim assist. Those who know…know.
Artosis is the Bert Kreisher of Brood War
"LoL" category
The amount of actions does not matter. The quality does :)
Scan from walmart returned. I hit like.
lol'd pretty hard
HAhaha best comment.
now imagine fighting off mass carier with an actual hard race, like zerg.
dude 3 ghosts with lockdown and you hit the whole fleet and win easy. Seriously artosis, you suck.
LOL when was the last time we had carrier against zerg, a while ago because zerg has scourge and hydra. Btw do you know what light said about lockdown vs carrier?
@@dew9103 You named some zerg units. Good job! Not as good as the terran units, so still a fail though. I'm really impressed that you are trying!
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd it’s still better than protoss’s in any case lmao
@@dew9103 not relevant
Not to be a meme person but he should have went Ghost and lockdown. 😂😂
Hey if your opponent is clowning show them equal disrespect, might as well have fun with it.
Would of worked 100%,
One of the rare instances that this is actually one of the many solutions
Oh thank god, I only need 5 more APM to be good at the game.
In the first game wouldn’t you keep you’re goliaths further from the carriers to take out interceptors and take less damage? Especially since arty was certain he hadn’t been mining?? Meantime monitor bases he might expand to? We didn’t see the whole match I guess but that’s my thinking
To live is to suffer for Art
The question needs to be asked, with 5K/3K in the bank why didn't Artie just send units to protoss' base and kill him?
The donations made it for me
Could you have gone for the base kill instead of killing the carriers?
.. which would have revealed all the enemy units ...
@@AntonyWest?????
@@dew9103 Once all the nexus are destroyed then all the protoss units would have been revealed.
Additionally, once all a player's buildings are destroyed then they lose, no matter what units they have.
Edit: Base kill would have won the game, yeah. Got all the nexus being destroyed and all buildings being destroyed mixed up.
@@AntonyWest in sc1 that never happens so that’s why I got a bit confused there, even if you kill all of the nexuses, there is no reveal
@@dew9103 okay, I really goofed on that. I was sure that happened - must have it mixed up with SC2
We all get old buddy
Ruskig , i remember that name from iccup :)
Seeing the title, if he's protoss, then thats pretty high apm, good for him
Edit: I knew it
I wish I could see the full game so I can figure out how you lost to like 6 carriers.
jesus that protoss has almost 500 apm
apm aint everything arty :)
I mean it's Protoss... 105apm Carrier a&move
The worst part is that like 25% of protoss in sc2 are doing this too.
Zero wasted movement
when its mass carrier, wouldnt mass vallkyier be better now since the unit sprites isn't an issue
Because of unit size types and shields/armor…valks suck against carriers. They do no dmg to them.
Valks do no damage to interceptors and their missiles only do 25% to carriers. These aren't liberators
It sounds like a click bait title then you watch it and it's actually accurate as to what happens.
The guy moved 10 carriers for 15 mins. Did you expect 400 APM average?
If that group of carriers was all the opponent had, why not counterattack their base or even try to win a zero-buildings victory, rather than chasing their unkillable army? Or if the opponent doesn't expand anywhere, why not expand all over the map and evacuate endangered SCVs instead of fighting? If the carriers are in the bottom left, then they can't do anything about expos in the top right, for example. In contrast, having all your bases hugging the left side seemingly made things very easy for the carriers.
Take protoss and take revenge if your protoss better. Oh no. You can't. Because he just will shred you
Why he didn't use Goliaths vs Scouts.. Mm are so good, but range, hp and damage are low
Maybe a stupid question but why dosnt he just Target the actual carriers and not just the millions of whatver they are called that the carrier's themselves prodruce?
Once there's that many carriers, your goliaths can't even close in on them. The goliaths will evaporate as they try to walk close enough and the carriers? They will move over some terrain and your goliaths will bump into each other and the terrain. Goliaths are meant to counter guardians, battlecruisers, arbiters, shoot down transports...but they really don't do good vs carriers as we see over and over again. Ideally a terran doesn't let the protoss get so many carriers out, it's basically a timer and once 6+ carriers are out terran loses.
@@Ziegfried82 interesting! Thanks for answering..👍🏼
The goliaths would fall chasing the carriers. They can move while the interceptors attack
n00bsauce
inspiring, now I know I could beat rt
I don't think 105APM is really THAT low, especially considering it probably dropped off hard once he had an army of a single control group for several minutes. He was probably averaging about 2 commands per second or higher from the start of the game, which... do you really need more than that to be effective if you're always issuing decent commands or exploiting weak spots in your opponent?
It's the floor for playing Starcraft effectively at a competitive level. Obviously playing protoss helps a lot when your APM is low haha...I'd like to see someone win with 100 APM as zerg!
Well plus it's against Arty, who often just turtles and usually puts no pressure on his opponent, so if you're macroing carriers and the opponent is just turtling in his bases it doesn't take a bunch of APM to win. If you want to exploit a low APM opponent you need to attack him, preferably with multi-prong aggression. If he can't step up his APM, you'll crush him.
The low apm is just because is he was sitting on ass waiting for carriers to make
Maybe you suck, but we still like you
I wonder how this kid would do against Teh Pwnerer in c&c generals
poor arty
I am not a BW expert by any means but could he just do couple ghosts and lock some of those carriers in place? As he said he had a shit load of money 😂
Protoss mutalisk
Artosis should do a redo on the scbw unit tier list. Where will he put scouts now? 😂
deja vu
Protoss hard yeah 😂😂
Yes, Arty, you suck at this game. And that is why I enjoy your streams so much. You always have excuses when people beat you. The thing is that you never do anything original, anything of your own. You just memorise what others do and then hope that by replicating it in your games you'll have the same results. True, you have success but people will always play you around unless you sit down and start thinking for a change instead of replicating.
Aristotelis!!!
why click more when few clicks will do?
What is that outro banger?
Jonasos3 is the Artist. It was made for my outro. There Are no longer versions. Im sorry
As I always say, APM doesnt mean shit
Must be why scouts are 275
imagine playing starcraft with a controller lmao that thumbnail
Yes
this comment section is wild
Is toss...
arty is so embarrassingly bad against carriers. It's insane. 1 carrier, he folds.
Flash would have won.
"better game than SC 2"
It's better