This man has taught me more in almost 15 minutes then my lazy instructors have going on three weeks at the Cdl school I'm at. They give us no instruction to what we are dealing with and just throw us to the wolves when we get behind the wheel then get mad if the gears grind or we stall out. I would of went to your school in a heartbeat if I would of known about your school earlier.
Pray4us! Thank you for taking the time to comment. If you'd like to learn double clutching, this video has helped many truck driver students: th-cam.com/video/z6AKaBeRNU8/w-d-xo.html. Hope you aren't paying an arm and a leg at that crappy school, brother.
I’m seeing a lot of people complain about this its even my complaint I wonder why they don’t teach us knowing we will be alone eventually doing this. I should not have to come to TH-cam to learn this outside of the truck.
I learned more from your videos than I ever did in 3 weeks attending garbage Cdl school here in my home town. Thank you so much, I wish I could’ve have attended your school.
I know, I got hired on with my permit at a company around the same time I started "school" so I got a lot of training from work before I started school and man, they dont teach sh#% the instructor was getting all irritated at one guy but the guy never drove in his life, of course hes not gonna know! Joke!
I agree with you freedom soldier: my instructor told us what to do and then sat in a car watching us practice in the pad. Basically, we were trying to teach ourselves.
Man I can't thank enough this channel for their its videos,its full of information.i enrolled in a locaTrucking school here in town....they were only yelling all the time.....I couldn't do even a straight back....went to TH-cam and discovered this channel and after a month I went for my test.....I Passed everything on my first time......the only mistake I did was I forgot to put my seat belt while doing parallel....he just warned me......but I Passed....Thanks again!
Great video! When I started driving trucks, guys I rode with just told me do whatever feels most comfortable to me. And I always just saw them floating, so I managed to pick it up pretty quick. Managed to get a CDL evaluator at the DMV who didn't seem to care that I floated the whole time. And watching this video helped with some of the finer details that you may not even think about. Like it's easy to panic when you are a newer driver floating, and it doesn't go into the desired gear right away. Thank You!
I am an experienced driver and I am learning a lot from your videos. I am having problems double clutching after 20 yrs floating gears. You have excellent videos, thank you.
Thanks so much. Way easier to learn watching your video than during the pressure on the road with the school ( left nameless) . Well explained too, some of us need the explanation of the mechanics that are taking place as well as the procedure so it all makes sense. I know I'll pass my road test and maneuvers this time. I've seen all your videos and they are outstanding to learn this trade by. Thank you , Thank you , Thank you.!!!
I'm a newb. . my first 2 days of training I was having trouble double clutching in up and down . . but I found that I can easily now clutch out and float into gear. no matter if I am up or downshifting .. Love iT!
Was it a lot easier for you to float I having that double clutch problem too I’m trying to learn to float I have a feeling floating will be a lot easier
Looks like a pro teaching, I like it very knowledgeable I love it when he says don't panic. 'Cause more likely that is what we do panic and nobody tells how to get out it. Definitely subscribing
This instructor is good, I watched this video when I was in driving school and 6 years later still watch even though now I can easily drive 10- 13 transmissions. Thanks Doc!
When I went to driving school 45 years ago, they taught your Hybrid Shifting method. I thought it was weird, and since I always like to think out of the box, I modified this method. I take it out of gear without the clutch, and clutch it into gear. I call it partial clutching, and I always do this on a new truck that I am not familiar with, for about the first week. From then on I float all shifts. I tell my students that the secret is to get the engine to neither be accelerating or de-accelerating. Just in the middle, the transmission will get loose, and it will fall out of gear. Great video !
Partial clutching is how I'm currently being taught as a beginner!( And some floating.) Makes sense than hybrid because its easier to float to neutral, but going into gear the clutch helps you find the gate.
flimsyjimnz You and I are on the same page on this one. Just make sure when you float it out of gear, you are not forcing it out. Gentle pressure and good throttle control is the name of the game. Good luck !
Best!!! Videos ever. Very formal and easy to understand. Thank you so much for showing a real practice video. If I only could’ve knew your school. Thank you so much. From NJ.
Thank you for watching, Edward. You should consider watching our other video on shifting. It covers double clutching in depth. th-cam.com/video/z6AKaBeRNU8/w-d-xo.html
I just tested yesterday. Your videos helped me so much. I was having so much trouble downshifting for some reason. Now i don't thanks to your videos. Now i know how to float through the gears and hybrid shift. Now its time to land that trucking job and make some money. Thanks for your help
Wow it was awesome how they applied all the techniques at the end, double clutch, hydrib and floating!!! I was always wondering if it was possible to downshift floating gears and thanks to this video now I know!!! Can't wait to apply the hybrid as well!!! I just recently got my CDL license but I was only taught how to double clutch and was told about floating gears but like I said I didn't know you could float gears to downshift and didn't even know about hybrid shifting!!! Awesome video!! This helps a lot for us beginners because I'm sure employers look for this kind of knowledge on potential employees!
Nice to see there are people willing to share expert knowledge and advice. Thank you, and know that there are people that do appreciate your input and work.
This channel is so helpful! I’ve been with Swift in an automatic for a few months so I’m rusty on the clutch. About to switch companies so I’m brushing up my skills with this video.
Thanks for the video. Its very helpful. You really explain a lot. The teacher at my school never explains things. He just grabs our shifter and trys to force it in the gear after we miss our gear. Thanks for explaining the missed gears. I am ready for today thanks to you.
If your instructor owned that truck, he wouldn't do that. Lazy. If you have any questions, send them to me. Thank you for watching and commenting, E Hardin.
That gear recovery top really eases my mind, for some reason I thought if u lose a gear ur pretty much screwed, keeping it at the gate then revving to slide in is beautifully put, thank you 🤍🤝🏼
Great video, this explained a lot of shifting gears. I think you can use the basics of this how to video and a ply it to 13 speeds or 18 speed shifters. Thanks for the guidance.
I work on a ranch and I was taught how to float shift a similar 10 speed in a straight truck. Double clutching is totally new to me. Also I'm still working on downshifting.
Hi, Andy! This video is good, but you may want to watch our Double Clutching video, too. Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/z6AKaBeRNU8/w-d-xo.html . Thank you for watching and commenting.
Everyone wants to float gears, Bernard, especially in stop-and-go traffic. However, you will also benefit from knowing how to double clutch. Hybrid shifting is the method I use to introduce some of my (graduated) students to floating. Think of hybrid shifting as a baby step on your way to floating gears. Thank you for watching and commenting, brother.
This is a great video. Better than anything else that I have found. I am still seeking one answer though. I just finished CDL and was taught to float when upshifting and use the hybrid when down shifting. My question is regarding use of the jake brake when downshifting. Assuming it is engaged, how do I properly downshift? Do I need to play with my throttle to disengage the jake during my shift? Thanks.
Gear shifting is designed to the RPM of the engine and the speed of the truck. Old school instructors called it the V the high and low RPM to shift at that is the reason there is a tachometer in every truck. Floating gears can be very good but no transmission manufacture will recommend floating gears. The more you know about your equipment will make a more professional operator in every.
Great instructional videos; these are organized, informative, camera work tracks the action, ...can't say enough good things. Question regarding "shallow" double-clutching - From watching your various videos, I think I understand the function and use of the 2 air actuated switches on the gear shift (Range selector and Splitter) and that you can pre-switch these in anticipation of the next gear (they seem to actuate with the transmission once in neutral), I also understand that only by depressing the clutch fully are you able to engage the clutch brake and engage a gear when totally stopped (non-synch transmission) but that you can float gears while moving and never use the clutch. So, what actually happens during those 2-3" shallow clutch movements that help the shift process from one gear to the next? What exactly do "shallow" clutch movements do with the transmission (vs deep clutch to the floor for the initial start from a stop) when double-clutching...they don't seem to do anything since you can float gears, make Range changes, and select Splitter choices, all without use of the clutch? Thanks for all you do!
It depends on the engine and transmission. On most standard semi trucks, with 400 to 500 hp. And 10 spd transmission, usually wait until 900ish rpm then rev up to 1400ish rpm. On 13 or 18 spd star same around 900 or 1000 rpm then rev up to 1300 to 1400 rpm. 10 spds are usually around 500 rpm difference 13 and 18 are usually around 300 rpm difference while splitting and 600 without splitting.
Thanks hope these helps tomorrow never grindded gear always floated clutched in may be grindded twice month now hafting to do double clutching man im grindded
I just got my auto restriction removed I like that hybrid downshifting taking away that second clutch may help cause sometimes I miss 8 and 6 for some reason
Great tutorial, really explains things neatly. My new employer is making me FLOAT gears, and will not let me double-clutch. He says that I'm ruining the clutch (by using it) and it making me float gears. It's nearly the craziest thing I've ever heard. Why would the manufacturer design it to be double-clutched and even include double-clutching instructions in the Owner's Manual if it were harmful to the clutch?! I may need a new job...
There is a reason why the manufacturer recommends double clutching. The more the driver uses the clutch, the quicker the clutch will fail (this takes a long time). When the clutch fails, the manufacturer is likely to make more money when the repair is made. Pretty lame, huh? Money, money, money...
It's all in the pedal driver, if you're having trouble floating try watching your tachometer till you get the feel for the truck, 4 to 500 rpm between gears. For instance if you're turning 1700 & wanna upshift you'll fall back in about 12 to 1300 rpm same with downshifts2if you're turning 1300 rpm gently put it in neutral bring your rpm up to around 1700 & gently slide it into the next lower gear.
@@jazzlives Interesting that you mention that because I just finished watching a video that featured the national service manager for Eaton transmissions, and he said that you must absolutely never float gears with an Eaton, that you must ALWAYS double clutch. I don't drive a truck, but I know enough to know that ain't what's happening in the real world! lol.
Sir, your videos are pretty good but your ideas about FLOATING are WRONG. Don't be a fool with the "they just want to make money" learn the truth...see what the engineers say....not the old fool who " we always did it that way". When pulling OUT during floating you damage the transmission....YES, only a little at a time, but it does damage it. Floating is for LAZY drivers. Please post more RESPONSIBLY.
I have 3 quick questions 1. When double clutching; do you clutch it at the EXACT time you shift everything or just slightly before the neutral shift and again slightly before the gear shift? 2.What is the ideal RPM when you hybrid clutch to neutral then go straight to the next gear. (also do you rev the engine after going into neutral?) 3. What is the ideal RPM when floating from one gear to the next? thank you
1. Push the clutch and move the shifter at the same time. This works best if you remove the free play from the clutch pedal. Resting your foot on the pedal will accomplish this. 2. Hybrid shifting is double clutching without the second clutch. You can shift at any RPM, if you know how to do so. For the purpose of learning, upshift at 1500 and downshift at 1000. Rev the engine in neutral every time you downshift. Rev the engine when upshifting only if you miss your gear. 3. The RPMs associated with floating gears are the same as the RPMs for double clutching and hybrid shifting. If you upshift at 1500, you should be in your next gear before the needle reaches 1000. If you upshift at 1200, you should shift a little faster because you are still trying to beat the needle to 1000 (but you have less time). Does that help, n/a?
Yes, that does help a lot and thank you for your quick response. I understand that you shouldn't hybrid shift or float for the CDL test but if it's safe to do and extends the life of a clutch then what exactly does the person giving the test have a problem with it? One more question, If you are downshifting at 1000 RPM on the hybrid shift but revving the engine in neutral then what RPM are you trying to get to? Same for floating downshifting, what is the ideal RPM for that? Sorry for all of the amateur questions, I will be starting CDL school in December and I would like a head start before I go to prevent myself from looking like a fool
Howdy! The person giving the test is subject to disciplinary action by the state. So, the tester must follow the state's rules. Why does the state want you to double clutch? Here in Colorado, the language of the test states that the student must be 'proficient' at shifting. Our students do not (technically) have to double clutch, but we teach them to do so anyway. Double clutching helps with the timing of the shift. It takes a little longer to shift gears when double clutching. That decrease helps students establish the correct rhythm. It's the same rhythm (or pace) you'll use when hybrid shifting and/or floating. Additionally, if you ever become a driver trainer, it's smart to know how to teach shifting more than one way as each student is different. You may want to watch our other shifting video. It talks about RPMs in detail. See it here: th-cam.com/video/z6AKaBeRNU8/w-d-xo.html . You want to rev the engine to the sweet spot, 1000-1500. The video has helped many people.
Sir, I'm trying to get my CDL Class A and I'm looking forward to enroll in your school soon. I've been watching most of your videos here in YT, and I think you guys are very professional and willing to help students to pass their CDL test. According to your website, you do one-on-one training, correct? But I'll take the whole course of Class A for continous 3 to 4 weeks, whatever is your requirement for the entire course. Even though, I live here in Florida, I am willing to travel to Colorado by car, as long as it's all worth the trip...:)
Jarrell Quinto Couldn't help notice the Roblox character profile picture. I play ro mt self and recently passed my CDL B roadtest. You can do it, just don't quit because it can be challenging
Hybrid Shifting, normally, we would do that if we jammed the gear, and it won't go back in the next up or down, and would use the clutch to set the gear into position. Or if we can't release the gear forwards. It is a short cut, to help when we get a shift wrong say on a hill, when your loaded and the truck slows to fast for the Sync to Mesh. And by the way, Smack smack... your riding the clutch still. Bad habits are hard to break, but you need to keep the clutch free....
Good for you, Anita! Eventually, you won't have to use the sweet spot, visually. Soon, you'll be hearing the correct engine RPMs instead of relying on the RPM gauge. Thank you for watching and commenting.
CDL College, LLC I’ve been driving almost two years but sadly was trained in an automatic and been driving an automatic till only a month ago. For 3 days I drove a freightliner 10 speed which was easier to float since it was at higher rpms, but I got a Kw t680 now and it’s been difficult floating from 2-5 because it shifts at around 1100 to 1300 rpms. It’s harder to hear the engine too so I’ve been messing up a lot. How long will it take me you think or did it take you till you were able to listen and not look? Thanks
Shifting through the low range gears can be difficult, especially when you're loaded. Keeping your RPMs low should help. Start in 2nd gear and shift at 800RPMs. In 3rd, shift at 900. 4th, 1000. It's easier to shift at lower RPMs. Raise your RPMs a bit for each subsequent gear. Thanks, vandals145.
This man has taught me more in almost 15 minutes then my lazy instructors have going on three weeks at the Cdl school I'm at. They give us no instruction to what we are dealing with and just throw us to the wolves when we get behind the wheel then get mad if the gears grind or we stall out. I would of went to your school in a heartbeat if I would of known about your school earlier.
Pray4us! Thank you for taking the time to comment. If you'd like to learn double clutching, this video has helped many truck driver students: th-cam.com/video/z6AKaBeRNU8/w-d-xo.html. Hope you aren't paying an arm and a leg at that crappy school, brother.
I heard Colorado’s nice anyway! I would go
The same to me bro
I’m seeing a lot of people complain about this its even my complaint I wonder why they don’t teach us knowing we will be alone eventually doing this. I should not have to come to TH-cam to learn this outside of the truck.
I felt this i lve adopted him as my unk he has taught me literally what i need and im 4 weeks into my schooling hes a gift
I learned more from your videos than I ever did in 3 weeks attending garbage Cdl school here in my home town. Thank you so much, I wish I could’ve have attended your school.
What an incredible compliment, Master. Thank you for committing to learning and for watching our videos. Stay safe out there.
I know, I got hired on with my permit at a company around the same time I started "school" so I got a lot of training from work before I started school and man, they dont teach sh#% the instructor was getting all irritated at one guy but the guy never drove in his life, of course hes not gonna know! Joke!
I agree with you freedom soldier: my instructor told us what to do and then sat in a car watching us practice in the pad. Basically, we were trying to teach ourselves.
Come to Australia. The CDL course is two DAYS. That's it.
Man I can't thank enough this channel for their its videos,its full of information.i enrolled in a locaTrucking school here in town....they were only yelling all the time.....I couldn't do even a straight back....went to TH-cam and discovered this channel and after a month I went for my test.....I Passed everything on my first time......the only mistake I did was I forgot to put my seat belt while doing parallel....he just warned me......but I Passed....Thanks again!
Great story, abdikadir! Congratulations on passing and thank you for watching and commenting. Stay safe.
Good luck be safe and patient
Very helpful to me! Especially the "don't panic" part. Much appreciated
Showing those slow shifts and gear recoveries is so valuable
Thanks again, brother David!
Great video! When I started driving trucks, guys I rode with just told me do whatever feels most comfortable to me. And I always just saw them floating, so I managed to pick it up pretty quick. Managed to get a CDL evaluator at the DMV who didn't seem to care that I floated the whole time. And watching this video helped with some of the finer details that you may not even think about. Like it's easy to panic when you are a newer driver floating, and it doesn't go into the desired gear right away. Thank You!
Hey, Josh. That was a cool story. Thanks for taking the time to share it and for watching our video. Take it easy, brother.
I am an experienced driver and I am learning a lot from your videos. I am having problems double clutching after 20 yrs floating gears. You have excellent videos, thank you.
Thanks so much. Way easier to learn watching your video than during the pressure on the road with the school ( left nameless) . Well explained too, some of us need the explanation of the mechanics that are taking place as well as the procedure so it all makes sense. I know I'll pass my road test and maneuvers this time. I've seen all your videos and they are outstanding to learn this trade by.
Thank you , Thank you , Thank you.!!!
Enter 'CDL College 10 speed" for double clutching video. Thank you for watching and commenting.
It's been over 20 years since I drive a split shift but I'm about to get back into it. This was a good refresher.
I'm a newb. . my first 2 days of training I was having trouble double clutching in up and down . . but I found that I can easily now clutch out and float into gear. no matter if I am up or downshifting .. Love iT!
Was it a lot easier for you to float I having that double clutch problem too I’m trying to learn to float I have a feeling floating will be a lot easier
Looks like a pro teaching, I like it very knowledgeable I love it when he says don't panic. 'Cause more likely that is what we do panic and nobody tells how to get out it. Definitely subscribing
this channel is the best for student that are going to school
Thank you, charry! Good luck with your training.
This instructor is good, I watched this video when I was in driving school and 6 years later still watch even though now I can easily drive 10- 13 transmissions.
Thanks Doc!
This video has been extremely informative. Thank you
Your videos are very helpful it’s unbelievable how hard it is to find a video that shows and explain in real time how to float gears
Thank you so much 👏👏👏👏👏👏 this is the way you supposed to teach step by step so Students get a better understanding
This video is very helpful 👌 in that you explain exactly what is happening and the sequence are repeated. Thank you i love these videos!!
Appreciate all your tutorials. Very clear, informative and helpful. Wishing everyone at CDL College, LLC all the best. Thanks and cheers.
When I went to driving school 45 years ago, they taught your Hybrid Shifting method. I thought it was weird, and since I always like to think out of the box, I modified this method. I take it out of gear without the clutch, and clutch it into gear. I call it partial clutching, and I always do this on a new truck that I am not familiar with, for about the first week. From then on I float all shifts. I tell my students that the secret is to get the engine to neither be accelerating or de-accelerating. Just in the middle, the transmission will get loose, and it will fall out of gear. Great video !
Thanks for your comment, Doug!
Partial clutching is how I'm currently being taught as a beginner!( And some floating.) Makes sense than hybrid because its easier to float to neutral, but going into gear the clutch helps you find the gate.
Whatever works for you, flimsyjimnz. Thank you for watching and commenting.
flimsyjimnz You and I are on the same page on this one. Just make sure when you float it out of gear, you are not forcing it out. Gentle pressure and good throttle control is the name of the game. Good luck !
nice tip
Best!!! Videos ever. Very formal and easy to understand. Thank you so much for showing a real practice video. If I only could’ve knew your school. Thank you so much. From NJ.
This is a great video and learned a lot being a student in CDL school right now. Thank you!!
Really enjoyed the flick , I'm in my second week of cdl and that helped a lot.
Best flick I've seen 😊
Excellent tutorial for this struggling shifty newbie.
Thank you for watching, Edward. You should consider watching our other video on shifting. It covers double clutching in depth. th-cam.com/video/z6AKaBeRNU8/w-d-xo.html
I just tested yesterday. Your videos helped me so much. I was having so much trouble downshifting for some reason. Now i don't thanks to your videos. Now i know how to float through the gears and hybrid shift. Now its time to land that trucking job and make some money. Thanks for your help
Great comment, David. Congratulations to you and best of luck in the future.
Excellent teaching, I've learned a lot from watching this video.
I hope I can do this....I am soooo nervous. Starting a new job tomorrow.
Now I can double clutch for my examiner and if I'm too slow to gear I can just Rev till it slides in, thank you!!
Wow it was awesome how they applied all the techniques at the end, double clutch, hydrib and floating!!! I was always wondering if it was possible to downshift floating gears and thanks to this video now I know!!! Can't wait to apply the hybrid as well!!! I just recently got my CDL license but I was only taught how to double clutch and was told about floating gears but like I said I didn't know you could float gears to downshift and didn't even know about hybrid shifting!!! Awesome video!! This helps a lot for us beginners because I'm sure employers look for this kind of knowledge on potential employees!
Nice to see there are people willing to share expert knowledge and advice. Thank you, and know that there are people that do appreciate your input and work.
VERY INFORMATIVE. I WAS UNAWARE THAT THESE TECHNIQUES WERE POSSIBLE. THANK YOU!
This is a wonderful teaching on how to shift gears!!!
This channel is so helpful! I’ve been with Swift in an automatic for a few months so I’m rusty on the clutch. About to switch companies so I’m brushing up my skills with this video.
Congratulations on the move away from Swift, David! If you have any questions about shifting, ask us right here on TH-cam.
Let me know some things about hybrid shifting please mr David. Thanks.
Very helpful. I wasn't taught how to double clutch and shift and this video explained it all. Now to put it to the test in the truck. Thank you.
Glad you found this video, Neil. Let us know how it worked out if you'd like. Peace.
CDL College produces videos superior to most others. Good job guys!
I just bought my first dump truck thanks again for the lessons. I appreciate it I will try it in my dump truck I need a 8llo transmission .
Thanks for the video. Its very helpful. You really explain a lot. The teacher at my school never explains things. He just grabs our shifter and trys to force it in the gear after we miss our gear. Thanks for explaining the missed gears. I am ready for today thanks to you.
If your instructor owned that truck, he wouldn't do that. Lazy.
If you have any questions, send them to me.
Thank you for watching and commenting, E Hardin.
Man your teachings are so clear and easy to understand. Thanks
Nicely done it all makes shifting a lot smoother very sensible thanks for the video
I never knew anything about hybrid shifting, that's good information thank you!
Just got my CDL bye bye double clutch! RPM shifting here we come!
This is my 3th week of my truck school this videos help me to much thank u so much . I wish that I can pass my test in DMV this Friday.
By far the best video I have seen on different shifting methods. Thank you so much for making it.
That's a great compliment, Tomasz. Thank you for watching and commenting.
good video, definitely helps to get a good introduction to different shifting methods
Glad you enjoyed it, Zachary! You're a pal for watching and commenting. Thank you.
That gear recovery top really eases my mind, for some reason I thought if u lose a gear ur pretty much screwed, keeping it at the gate then revving to slide in is beautifully put, thank you 🤍🤝🏼
This was well presented and very useful. I have gone straight to hybrid and floating my Eaton 10 speed.
Good to hear, Dennis! Thanks for watching and commenting.
This the best shifting gear on TH-cam so far! Very helpful thankyou
Great video. Still learning to double clutch and will watch it again to try the other two types of shifting.
Very informative, I'm going to digest this and practise as much as possible
Thanks, conroy! It's all about the timing and not muscling the shifter.
Thanks your videos are very informative. I have learnt more from your videos than from my cdl school.
Michael, great useful explanation of the complete shifting theory. Thanks!
Thank you, Denise! NIce to help people long distance. Hope you learned something, miss.
Great video, this explained a lot of shifting gears. I think you can use the basics of this how to video and a ply it to 13 speeds or 18 speed shifters. Thanks for the guidance.
I work on a ranch and I was taught how to float shift a similar 10 speed in a straight truck. Double clutching is totally new to me. Also I'm still working on downshifting.
Hi, Andy! This video is good, but you may want to watch our Double Clutching video, too. Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/z6AKaBeRNU8/w-d-xo.html . Thank you for watching and commenting.
Andy Miller why if u don't "have two" why I ask u whyyyy?
best trick catch a gear in a corner like a boss -cargo of course ☝
Great video very helpful. I really like the explanation about the sweet spot.
Great video
Thank you for these videos. They are so helpful.
Thank you, I've struggled with missed gears, you explain it very nice
Thank you very much, Darin! Glad we could assist with your training.
I wanted to attend driving school so i want to watch more videos...❤❤❤
I do hybrid shifting because we have shitty trucks but when ur on a good truck . floating gears is like butter .. Hella smooth
That was a great explanation on how to shift good work ...
Thanks, eliseo! Cool name.
Awesome video thought me a lot about floating and shifting
Everyone wants to float gears, Bernard, especially in stop-and-go traffic. However, you will also benefit from knowing how to double clutch.
Hybrid shifting is the method I use to introduce some of my (graduated) students to floating. Think of hybrid shifting as a baby step on your way to floating gears. Thank you for watching and commenting, brother.
This is a great video. Better than anything else that I have found. I am still seeking one answer though.
I just finished CDL and was taught to float when upshifting and use the hybrid when down shifting. My question is regarding use of the jake brake when downshifting. Assuming it is engaged, how do I properly downshift? Do I need to play with my throttle to disengage the jake during my shift?
Thanks.
Gear shifting is designed to the RPM of the engine and the speed of the truck. Old school instructors called it the V the high and low RPM to shift at that is the reason there is a tachometer in every truck. Floating gears can be very good but no transmission manufacture will recommend floating gears. The more you know about your equipment will make a more professional operator in every.
That is my problem, missing gears and recovery is difficult especially when downshifting
best video showing how to double clutch
very well done, organized, clear and saftey orientated
Great instructional videos; these are organized, informative, camera work tracks the action, ...can't say enough good things.
Question regarding "shallow" double-clutching - From watching your various videos, I think I understand the function and use of the 2 air actuated switches on the gear shift (Range selector and Splitter) and that you can pre-switch these in anticipation of the next gear (they seem to actuate with the transmission once in neutral), I also understand that only by depressing the clutch fully are you able to engage the clutch brake and engage a gear when totally stopped (non-synch transmission) but that you can float gears while moving and never use the clutch. So, what actually happens during those 2-3" shallow clutch movements that help the shift process from one gear to the next? What exactly do "shallow" clutch movements do with the transmission (vs deep clutch to the floor for the initial start from a stop) when double-clutching...they don't seem to do anything since you can float gears, make Range changes, and select Splitter choices, all without use of the clutch? Thanks for all you do!
A Google search just displayed another of your great videos: "Micro Lesson The Clutch Brake" (it answered my question below).
Thank you so much for your help you really have experience and know how to teach
Awesome tutorial! When downshifting, what RPM do you start at and what do you REV the engine up to?
It depends on the engine and transmission. On most standard semi trucks, with 400 to 500 hp. And 10 spd transmission, usually wait until 900ish rpm then rev up to 1400ish rpm. On 13 or 18 spd star same around 900 or 1000 rpm then rev up to 1300 to 1400 rpm. 10 spds are usually around 500 rpm difference 13 and 18 are usually around 300 rpm difference while splitting and 600 without splitting.
Double Clutch 0:27. Hybrid 3:24. Floating 5:50. Fixing missed gears 8:20. Random shifting samples. 9:37.
Thanks hope these helps tomorrow never grindded gear always floated clutched in may be grindded twice month now hafting to do double clutching man im grindded
Grindded bad.
very good information lots of help awesome videos
Thanks again, all of your videos are helpful
Thank you for watching, Vanessa. Pretty name.
Very good teacher
this has been so much helpfull for me i thank you for that easy explanation it is like taking 80000 semi truck of my back thank you,thank you
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Thank you for the compliment. If you work your way up to floating, you'll have it in no time. Good luck and drop us a question if you need help.
I just got my auto restriction removed I like that hybrid downshifting taking away that second clutch may help cause sometimes I miss 8 and 6 for some reason
great tutorial
Thanks, Franky!
Good demonstration, Thanks 👏🏼
You're welcome, Miss Hannah. Thank you for taking the time to comment and for watching our videos. If you have any questions, we're available.
Great video...i only know to double clutch. Thanks man
Awesome explaining.
Great tutorial, really explains things neatly. My new employer is making me FLOAT gears, and will not let me double-clutch. He says that I'm ruining the clutch (by using it) and it making me float gears. It's nearly the craziest thing I've ever heard. Why would the manufacturer design it to be double-clutched and even include double-clutching instructions in the Owner's Manual if it were harmful to the clutch?! I may need a new job...
There is a reason why the manufacturer recommends double clutching. The more the driver uses the clutch, the quicker the clutch will fail (this takes a long time). When the clutch fails, the manufacturer is likely to make more money when the repair is made. Pretty lame, huh? Money, money, money...
It's all in the pedal driver, if you're having trouble floating try watching your tachometer till you get the feel for the truck, 4 to 500 rpm between gears. For instance if you're turning 1700 & wanna upshift you'll fall back in about 12 to 1300 rpm same with downshifts2if you're turning 1300 rpm gently put it in neutral bring your rpm up to around 1700 & gently slide it into the next lower gear.
@@jazzlives Interesting that you mention that because I just finished watching a video that featured the national service manager for Eaton transmissions, and he said that you must absolutely never float gears with an Eaton, that you must ALWAYS double clutch. I don't drive a truck, but I know enough to know that ain't what's happening in the real world! lol.
Sir, your videos are pretty good but your ideas about FLOATING are WRONG. Don't be a fool with the "they just want to make money" learn the truth...see what the engineers say....not the old fool who " we always did it that way". When pulling OUT during floating you damage the transmission....YES, only a little at a time, but it does damage it. Floating is for LAZY drivers. Please post more RESPONSIBLY.
Slideshifting is the best strategy! Also the clutch last longer!
What is slide shifting brother? Never heard of that expression
@@jamesshaw3850 floating, bcuz technically when your using the shifter to slide the gear into a gear.
I refreshing my skills to go back on road after 2 years out from drive recovering broken arm thanks
do these techniques work in your avg car? Say a VW Jetta? Whats different in the transmission if they don't?
Great video very helpful
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Excellent video 👍👍👍 Thanks
Great work.
I have 3 quick questions
1. When double clutching; do you clutch it at the EXACT time you shift everything or just slightly before the neutral shift and again slightly before the gear shift?
2.What is the ideal RPM when you hybrid clutch to neutral then go straight to the next gear.
(also do you rev the engine after going into neutral?)
3. What is the ideal RPM when floating from one gear to the next?
thank you
1. Push the clutch and move the shifter at the same time. This works best if you remove the free play from the clutch pedal. Resting your foot on the pedal will accomplish this.
2. Hybrid shifting is double clutching without the second clutch. You can shift at any RPM, if you know how to do so. For the purpose of learning, upshift at 1500 and downshift at 1000. Rev the engine in neutral every time you downshift. Rev the engine when upshifting only if you miss your gear.
3. The RPMs associated with floating gears are the same as the RPMs for double clutching and hybrid shifting. If you upshift at 1500, you should be in your next gear before the needle reaches 1000. If you upshift at 1200, you should shift a little faster because you are still trying to beat the needle to 1000 (but you have less time).
Does that help, n/a?
Yes, that does help a lot and thank you for your quick response. I understand that you shouldn't hybrid shift or float for the CDL test but if it's safe to do and extends the life of a clutch then what exactly does the person giving the test have a problem with it?
One more question, If you are downshifting at 1000 RPM on the hybrid shift but revving the engine in neutral then what RPM are you trying to get to? Same for floating downshifting, what is the ideal RPM for that?
Sorry for all of the amateur questions, I will be starting CDL school in December and I would like a head start before I go to prevent myself from looking like a fool
Howdy! The person giving the test is subject to disciplinary action by the state. So, the tester must follow the state's rules. Why does the state want you to double clutch? Here in Colorado, the language of the test states that the student must be 'proficient' at shifting. Our students do not (technically) have to double clutch, but we teach them to do so anyway. Double clutching helps with the timing of the shift. It takes a little longer to shift gears when double clutching. That decrease helps students establish the correct rhythm. It's the same rhythm (or pace) you'll use when hybrid shifting and/or floating. Additionally, if you ever become a driver trainer, it's smart to know how to teach shifting more than one way as each student is different.
You may want to watch our other shifting video. It talks about RPMs in detail. See it here: th-cam.com/video/z6AKaBeRNU8/w-d-xo.html . You want to rev the engine to the sweet spot, 1000-1500. The video has helped many people.
Sir, I'm trying to get my CDL Class A and I'm looking forward to enroll in your school soon. I've been watching most of your videos here in YT, and I think you guys are very professional and willing to help students to pass their CDL test. According to your website, you do one-on-one training, correct? But I'll take the whole course of Class A for continous 3 to 4 weeks, whatever is your requirement for the entire course. Even though, I live here in Florida, I am willing to travel to Colorado by car, as long as it's all worth the trip...:)
That's a long drive, Jarrell, but we'll train you well! Thank you so much for watching our videos and taking some time to comment. See you soon.
Jarrell Quinto Couldn't help notice the Roblox character profile picture. I play ro mt self and recently passed my CDL B roadtest. You can do it, just don't quit because it can be challenging
Hybrid Shifting, normally, we would do that if we jammed the gear, and it won't go back in the next up or down, and would use the clutch to set the gear into position. Or if we can't release the gear forwards. It is a short cut, to help when we get a shift wrong say on a hill, when your loaded and the truck slows to fast for the Sync to Mesh. And by the way, Smack smack... your riding the clutch still. Bad habits are hard to break, but you need to keep the clutch free....
I use to drive truck with the double clutching and floating after I got my own truck the floating always saved the clutch on the road.
Thank you Sr. You are the best ...🙏🙏🙏🙏
Very nice video it help me a lot in , learning how to shift from low to high gear using the sweet spot, as my guide.
Good for you, Anita! Eventually, you won't have to use the sweet spot, visually. Soon, you'll be hearing the correct engine RPMs instead of relying on the RPM gauge. Thank you for watching and commenting.
CDL College, LLC I’ve been driving almost two years but sadly was trained in an automatic and been driving an automatic till only a month ago. For 3 days I drove a freightliner 10 speed which was easier to float since it was at higher rpms, but I got a Kw t680 now and it’s been difficult floating from 2-5 because it shifts at around 1100 to 1300 rpms. It’s harder to hear the engine too so I’ve been messing up a lot. How long will it take me you think or did it take you till you were able to listen and not look? Thanks
Shifting through the low range gears can be difficult, especially when you're loaded. Keeping your RPMs low should help. Start in 2nd gear and shift at 800RPMs. In 3rd, shift at 900. 4th, 1000. It's easier to shift at lower RPMs. Raise your RPMs a bit for each subsequent gear. Thanks, vandals145.
Awesome video
Thank you.
thanks this explains a lot been waiting for this video
Glad to upload it in time to help you, Tim. Thank you for watching.
Thanks. A lot help, but I will drive 13shift. Make video about that pls. Can't find in your channel. Your lessons easy to understand
We don't have any 13-speed trucks, MrLakkuchu. Sorry.
If you can't find them, grind them. I love that old saying because it's true. I have a floating gears video that proves that.
Great videos...Thanks brother!!!!
Wow,Thanks guys.
very helpful thanks.