Hi there, great review. I just wonder that scoop at 10k affects female vocal and piano? Also Im currently holding a pair of U4s, is it worth it for the upgrade when my primary musical genre is jazz? Thanks!
Thanks for your review! How does this compare to the Trio? I loved demoing the Trio and am considering it as an endgame. Am a bit of a basshead and loved the bass, along with the spicy treble of the Trio. Given that the Trios are getting quite old now does the volur make the trio obsolete? Keep up the good content!
It's been literally years since I heard the Trio so I don't really trust my own impressions, but from memory the Trio tuning is more my style. Vs. U4s, the Volur is significantly more incisive and well-defined, U4s is not strongest there.
@@SuperReview Can you elaborate pls, there is a faint chance I will be able to demo them both, but in case I woudn't be able to your more thorough assesment would help a lot
How are you doing that top down shot ? And alsonthe dual filiming? Quite curious as i want to do something similar for a video call. Also are you using a light ?
I'm using OBS to switch cameras. Using the built-in webcam on my MacBook for the head shot, and using my iPhone with Apple's "Continuity Camera" feature for the overhead shot. The iPhone is on a tripod. And yeah, I have a small light. If you hit me up on Discord I can share a pic of the small setup.
Two ways: (1) You can use the pin icon on the active graphs UI to pin one before clicking the second. (2) On a computer, you can middle-click to append a second target rather than replace the existing one.
The U4s comes across a bit more midsy in its tune, so I'd have to lean U4s for tuning. Meteor is quite different, warmer, thicker, less technical sound.
Thank you Mark, I am still quite hooked on Meteor, maybe not as detailed, but I hear everything, as Hobby talk says. There is so much beautiful things about that sound, plus the approach to give you little speakers to your ears not earphones...love it. I want to hear Crimson now.I think they accomplished the speakers in ears there❗️😁🙋♂️🙏p.s really want to add U4s to my collection
Hey there again. In terms of the dual drivers (facing each other)... i think it makes a lot of sense in a structure such as an IEM because it's a rather neat way of fitting a larger effective combined speaker area into a smaller volumetric space. But not only that, you can also then make the shape of the dual drivers assembly fit better into the shape of an iem, and leave more space left over for better sound ducting in the remaining spaces. So yes - i believe this could be a useful engineering solution to advance what can be done, in a fixed size space. That would otherwise be physically impossible to "upgrade" or "iterate" or improve any more. But you know... there are probably also a variety of other types of small and incremental innovations which might also help too. So not to lean too heavily onto any 1 single technology as being that transformative by itself. You still need to execute well and correctly on what you have got to work with. So the technology decision is more like a platform or base / starting point. From which to make subsequent decisions and build improvements upon. On top of. Wheras a very poorly executed version of the same fundamental design choice may very well sound absolutely terrible. And much worse than some conventional single driver that was of a much higher quality. As to how much / how little impact it makes. I really cannot tell you. But clearly the more space constrained an IEM shape is, then the less physical room there is to work with to begin with. Meaning the possibility of a greater potential to sound different given the same exact external dimensions / shell housing. So you may infer into that what you will. Especially in terms of other factors, like the firment / comfort or stability and comfort while sleeping or whatever "fit security" i guess
Yeah I don't really understand it, something about the two drivers moving the same air volume allows them to operate at reduced power and thus reduced distortion, yaddy-yadda. I think the bass on this, Blessing 3, and even Solis 2 are quite good, and all advertise isobaric designs. The Hype 2 bass is fun, but doesn't have the same tightness despite also advertising the same design.
Isobaric configurations don’t affect cone area; the first driver is completely isolated and no sound will be heard from it. You have an enclosure divided into two unequally sized chambers (or one if the drivers are mounted cone to cone). With one driver in the first, and largest enclosure firing into the 2nd smaller enclosure which the driver you see and hear is mounted in. Both drivers move together. This way they work together, the first driver is doing nothing but making it easier for the 2nd to do its job as the air in the smaller enclosure (that the driver you hear is mounted in) isn’t constantly being pressurized and depressurized like in a normal single driver enclosure; the air volume and pressure is nearly constant. In a normal configuration pressure builds the farther the cone travels forwards and backwards from the resting position (when it moves forwards/backwards from resting the internal air volume of the enclosure increases/decreases by an amount equal to cone area multiplied by distance of travel, without changing the amount of air inside the enclosure) which stretches/compresses the air inside the enclosure; the farther the cone moves outwards the more the air inside the enclosure is stretched and the more resistance there is to the cone’s continued outwards movement. The farther the cone moves inwards the more the air is compressed etc. By using an isobaric configuration you are nearly eliminating the resistance of the air inside the enclosure to the cone’s movement meaning it will move in a more linear manner. Obviously this doesn’t eliminate that entirely as those forces still apply to the first, and completely sealed off, driver but it nearly does if designed properly for the drivers used. But in an IEM they’re probably using a cone-to-cone configuration given that it takes up less space. One driver mounted in an enclosure like normal with the 2nd driver mounted pretty much directly to it with their cones facing each other (speakers don’t have fronts or backs. It’s just not very practical to mount a speaker into a cabinet with the magnets on the outside). *Edit: that only applies to lower frequencies. If it’s a very closed-in basket or are playing higher frequencies enough this becomes not so true.* This way one voiced coil/magnet is pushing while the other is pulling. Just like having a speaker with a magnet/coil mounted on both sides of the cone working together. 2 motors rather than 1.
@@SuperReview Those are my favourite. Really wish they had a SS size, though, since they're a bit too girthy for me in the current smallest size. I strongly feel like the 3 size approach is way too coarse and inadequate, especially for audiophile segment of the market. It's just not enough to accommodate for physiological variences in ear anatomy.
Its a shame you're only getting the esoteric stuff of the TOTL world. Effectively IEMs for people that have way too large of a collection that they dont use as a result of purchase validation addiction. This is the reason most very expensive iems are tuned so poorly, its for people that have compulsive order to spend, the more esoteric it is, the more they can spend to get them all.
He reviews much more IEMs from lower price brackets (or am I misunderstanding you?). Anyway, because the "esoteric" stuff of the TOTL world is so expensive, consumers require reviewers to review those expensive products to help the consumers who don't have a "compulsive order to spend" so they won't buy a weird product. The only issue is when reviewers "pretend" the expensive product is good, and "avoid" saying any critiques, then those are unethical reviews.
Not worth because of tuning . Or should be because of drivers . Because drivers makes a big difference in technical nuances . And you talk about long nozzle and git stability. The longer it is the more stable it is.
I hate the long nozzle. It presses into the side of my ear canal and becomes painful. The housing also presses against my crux helix and becomes painful after less than an hour. The only way I've been able to make them comfortable is with some narrow bore tips I found in Japan. I have to go about 3 sizes larger than usual and go with a shallow insertion.
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This is arguably one of their best looking IEMs in a long while. Hoping that I can demo it at CanJam coming up soon!
Yeah I kinda forgot to mention it's gorgeous.
I heard these and canjam Dallas an loved them with the m20 modules. My hearing ends at 16k, so that upper treble peak doesn’t affect my listening.
Great review! Going to have to try these out at CanJam with you!
I will have the Volur and the $13 Tin C0, doing blind listening tests.
@@SuperReview ooh, that sounds like fun!! I'm so in!
Looking forward to the Moondrop Para review!
Great content. Looking forward to hear your reviews on nightjar singularity (very good bass too) and symphonium crimson.
Hi Mark, excellent review as always. I am planning to buy a single DD. Moondrop kato & fiio FD5 in my list, can you please suggest ? Thanks
Ooh this looks nice.. let's check the price... o!
Hi there, great review. I just wonder that scoop at 10k affects female vocal and piano? Also Im currently holding a pair of U4s, is it worth it for the upgrade when my primary musical genre is jazz? Thanks!
cant wait to meet you at canjam im going too!
Whatcha looking forward to most?
Thanks Mark, the design looked like Supernova. Not sure if the current market would spend that kind of money but who knows?
Someone will!
I wish their universal fit iems had the ipx connection thats one of my favorite things on my a3e set
What do you appreciate about the IPX connector?
I'm deciding between 64 Audio Volour and Canpur Cp622b
Thanks for your review! How does this compare to the Trio? I loved demoing the Trio and am considering it as an endgame. Am a bit of a basshead and loved the bass, along with the spicy treble of the Trio. Given that the Trios are getting quite old now does the volur make the trio obsolete?
Keep up the good content!
How does this also compare to the u4s? It seems to have a similar sound as the u4s with a focus on bass with upper treble zing
It's been literally years since I heard the Trio so I don't really trust my own impressions, but from memory the Trio tuning is more my style. Vs. U4s, the Volur is significantly more incisive and well-defined, U4s is not strongest there.
Considering going for Volur, how is it compared to Tia Trio, bass, mids, treble, stage comparison?
I personally prefer Trio.
@@SuperReview Can you elaborate pls, there is a faint chance I will be able to demo them both, but in case I woudn't be able to your more thorough assesment would help a lot
Interesting and thanks for the review. How would you compare the Volur to the Z1R?
Mm Z1R maybe a denser sound with less upper treble zing, a bit more natural in timbre but also less spacious.
@@SuperReview thanks for your feedback. It would be ages till I can get a demo of the Volur but I think the Z1R are still great for me
How are you doing that top down shot ? And alsonthe dual filiming?
Quite curious as i want to do something similar for a video call.
Also are you using a light ?
I'm using OBS to switch cameras. Using the built-in webcam on my MacBook for the head shot, and using my iPhone with Apple's "Continuity Camera" feature for the overhead shot. The iPhone is on a tripod. And yeah, I have a small light. If you hit me up on Discord I can share a pic of the small setup.
@@SuperReview thanks! I don't use discord. Maybe you could share a community post that would help others too 😅
Genuine question Super, how you do use both the IEF Comp and Super22 Targets at the same time? Whenever I try that it swaps from one to the other
Two ways:
(1) You can use the pin icon on the active graphs UI to pin one before clicking the second.
(2) On a computer, you can middle-click to append a second target rather than replace the existing one.
Maybe I'll consider this if it goes on sale during Black Friday tho I doubt this is going to be discounted until next year's holiday sales.
I could see the discount now… “save $50”. And believe me, I’d appreciate any discount, but I doubt this would ever land in my budget ever in my life
Hi Mark, would you review Dunu Mirai?
Make sense that the level of isolation would affect bass, that's just like the other way to say the same thing. Maybe not the best way, though.
Hi Mark, bit silly but how does it compare to Meteor and do you prefer the tuning of U4s or Velür...✌️ 😁
The U4s comes across a bit more midsy in its tune, so I'd have to lean U4s for tuning. Meteor is quite different, warmer, thicker, less technical sound.
Thank you Mark, I am still quite hooked on Meteor, maybe not as detailed, but I hear everything, as Hobby talk says. There is so much beautiful things about that sound, plus the approach to give you little speakers to your ears not earphones...love it. I want to hear Crimson now.I think they accomplished the speakers in ears there❗️😁🙋♂️🙏p.s really want to add U4s to my collection
Where is it w/ staging & imaging tho~
Compared to ie600?
Hey there again. In terms of the dual drivers (facing each other)... i think it makes a lot of sense in a structure such as an IEM because it's a rather neat way of fitting a larger effective combined speaker area into a smaller volumetric space. But not only that, you can also then make the shape of the dual drivers assembly fit better into the shape of an iem, and leave more space left over for better sound ducting in the remaining spaces. So yes - i believe this could be a useful engineering solution to advance what can be done, in a fixed size space. That would otherwise be physically impossible to "upgrade" or "iterate" or improve any more. But you know... there are probably also a variety of other types of small and incremental innovations which might also help too. So not to lean too heavily onto any 1 single technology as being that transformative by itself. You still need to execute well and correctly on what you have got to work with. So the technology decision is more like a platform or base / starting point. From which to make subsequent decisions and build improvements upon. On top of. Wheras a very poorly executed version of the same fundamental design choice may very well sound absolutely terrible. And much worse than some conventional single driver that was of a much higher quality. As to how much / how little impact it makes. I really cannot tell you. But clearly the more space constrained an IEM shape is, then the less physical room there is to work with to begin with. Meaning the possibility of a greater potential to sound different given the same exact external dimensions / shell housing. So you may infer into that what you will. Especially in terms of other factors, like the firment / comfort or stability and comfort while sleeping or whatever "fit security" i guess
Yeah I don't really understand it, something about the two drivers moving the same air volume allows them to operate at reduced power and thus reduced distortion, yaddy-yadda. I think the bass on this, Blessing 3, and even Solis 2 are quite good, and all advertise isobaric designs. The Hype 2 bass is fun, but doesn't have the same tightness despite also advertising the same design.
Isobaric configurations don’t affect cone area; the first driver is completely isolated and no sound will be heard from it.
You have an enclosure divided into two unequally sized chambers (or one if the drivers are mounted cone to cone). With one driver in the first, and largest enclosure firing into the 2nd smaller enclosure which the driver you see and hear is mounted in. Both drivers move together.
This way they work together, the first driver is doing nothing but making it easier for the 2nd to do its job as the air in the smaller enclosure (that the driver you hear is mounted in) isn’t constantly being pressurized and depressurized like in a normal single driver enclosure; the air volume and pressure is nearly constant.
In a normal configuration pressure builds the farther the cone travels forwards and backwards from the resting position (when it moves forwards/backwards from resting the internal air volume of the enclosure increases/decreases by an amount equal to cone area multiplied by distance of travel, without changing the amount of air inside the enclosure) which stretches/compresses the air inside the enclosure; the farther the cone moves outwards the more the air inside the enclosure is stretched and the more resistance there is to the cone’s continued outwards movement. The farther the cone moves inwards the more the air is compressed etc.
By using an isobaric configuration you are nearly eliminating the resistance of the air inside the enclosure to the cone’s movement meaning it will move in a more linear manner. Obviously this doesn’t eliminate that entirely as those forces still apply to the first, and completely sealed off, driver but it nearly does if designed properly for the drivers used.
But in an IEM they’re probably using a cone-to-cone configuration given that it takes up less space. One driver mounted in an enclosure like normal with the 2nd driver mounted pretty much directly to it with their cones facing each other (speakers don’t have fronts or backs. It’s just not very practical to mount a speaker into a cabinet with the magnets on the outside). *Edit: that only applies to lower frequencies. If it’s a very closed-in basket or are playing higher frequencies enough this becomes not so true.* This way one voiced coil/magnet is pushing while the other is pulling. Just like having a speaker with a magnet/coil mounted on both sides of the cone working together. 2 motors rather than 1.
Squig looks like a warm tilted tangzu heyday.
W1's are the absolute best w/ 64 Audio IEMs. $$$! though.
I mean, if you're gonna pay $1,000+ for an IEM, what's another $20 for tips.
My rational exactly! See you this weekend @ CanJam 😎@@SuperReview
@@SuperReview Those are my favourite. Really wish they had a SS size, though, since they're a bit too girthy for me in the current smallest size.
I strongly feel like the 3 size approach is way too coarse and inadequate, especially for audiophile segment of the market. It's just not enough to accommodate for physiological variences in ear anatomy.
6:14 You slept withh them on?
Yes, I sleep every night with IEMs :D
@@SuperReview I'd be worried of bending the pins during sleep, especially on such an expensive set
I wouldn't be.
What are good sleeping iems from your experience?
@@garygriffiths7353cheap bullet style iems probably
When something with 5 stars 🥲
Ask the manufacturers to do better
> Whispers <
Supernova...
@@SuperReview I've seen it but more of wanting to hear it
ThirAudio Prestige LTD, anyone? Is there any chance?
the drivers are coupled through a tunnel so it's not isobaric and sure as hell not TRUE ISOBARIC lmao.
so it is a meteor with better bass and worse treble in a nutshell?
I hate that iem so blannn
That is not a nutshell I would place it into, no.
Its a shame you're only getting the esoteric stuff of the TOTL world. Effectively IEMs for people that have way too large of a collection that they dont use as a result of purchase validation addiction. This is the reason most very expensive iems are tuned so poorly, its for people that have compulsive order to spend, the more esoteric it is, the more they can spend to get them all.
He reviews much more IEMs from lower price brackets (or am I misunderstanding you?). Anyway, because the "esoteric" stuff of the TOTL world is so expensive, consumers require reviewers to review those expensive products to help the consumers who don't have a "compulsive order to spend" so they won't buy a weird product.
The only issue is when reviewers "pretend" the expensive product is good, and "avoid" saying any critiques, then those are unethical reviews.
"This is the reason most very expensive iems are tuned so poorly"
bs. you never owned any. it shows. stfu about stuff you never experienced.
@@Viewer13128 no i meant of the TOTL. As in the stuff in the TOTL landscape.
@@Viewer13128 please learn basic English.
@@Viewer13128hes saying *of the* TOTL products, he's only reviewed the bad ones.
Na.. U12t bass is more.. The chasis of audio64 is all the same pals just an aesthetic of looks is diff.. in this case they just put a sticker. Peace!
Not worth because of tuning . Or should be because of drivers . Because drivers makes a big difference in technical nuances . And you talk about long nozzle and git stability. The longer it is the more stable it is.
I hate the long nozzle. It presses into the side of my ear canal and becomes painful. The housing also presses against my crux helix and becomes painful after less than an hour. The only way I've been able to make them comfortable is with some narrow bore tips I found in Japan. I have to go about 3 sizes larger than usual and go with a shallow insertion.
@Lead_Foot good to know. You can't ever sweat and workout . Short insertion always pops out