Agreed, hope alone is not enough turn around a bad situation, honestly if they ever make TLOU 3 i kinda want it to be focused around what Fedra did/does besides covering for people, did they do research on the virus? if ellie joined could they find a cure without killing her?
The most interesting part about Boston FEDRA is they're implied to be either the LEAST brutal or the MOST competant, as they're still standing when Joel and Ellie leave. Between both games and the show, we see a few failed QZs and a few other cities that were lost entirely. We still haven't seen another QZ that's operational. Boston's been doing something right for two decades.
@@Keyboardeater1 forgot that one, that's a forth QZ wiped out. I can't imagine there are more than a handful that are still standing. Maybe something in Texas? Miami can be very isolated if you cut off access to 75 and 95 and there's plenty of farm land all around and between the Everglades and the urban areas.
There was evidence of at least another QZ in Denver, from the helicopter that crashed in the shopping mall in Left Behind. Considering they have choppers they must be doing very well for themselves
"The game presents life in Boston as being miserable, grim, and oppressive. There's no joy, no color, no warmth here. This might as well be another form of death. a slow stagnation where people live pointless and unhappy lives." As someone who lives there I can say this is bang on accurate.
I've never really seen a death scene that wasn't overly gory or graphic that breaks me like this one does. I've just restarted the game again, and I had to skip the cutscene when it got to that point because it's too much for me to handle.
I cry at the scene now. Just thinking about waking up twenty years after losing my wife and son even now makes me tear up and I haven't even had them as my family for a year yet. I really can't imagine a version of myself that doesn't just join them in death immediately. I don't think I could bare that pain unless I was with my brother like Joel had Tommy. Then I think I wouldn't want him to be alone and I know he wouldn't want me to be alone either.
@@dylanriola2877 bro what i about to say is a bit off topic But huge respect for you raising a kid thats actually not yours people say its doesnt matter but as a man to man i can say that people like you make our society better What i am trying to say is just kudos to you, and keep up the good work
The thing about Fedra, is that despite the brutality they exhibit... they're still safer than having to be outside on your own against hordes of zombies. And because of that, I can easily see myself and many others submitting to them
@@ferrik1675 perhaps. Its easy to say we'd resist when we don't live in such desperate, unforgiving times in the here and now. Things change when you aren't sure if you'll have something to eat for the next 3 days, somewhere safe to sleep for a week, clean water for the next month, etc. I know how long a human being can last without food, water, shelter. I don't know if my convictions would last having to fend for myself, well and truly, in the ways my ancestors had to fend for themselves. Luxury beliefs are very expensive, afterall.
@@terrykrugii5652 While I'm inclined to agree with the discussion of luxury beliefs, it's also not impossible to see that FEDRA is still a very dangerous organization to be a part of, with the whole openly offing civilians based on the beeps of a device and whatnot. It seems like the kind of civilization that, in the end, nobody is actually really interested in wanting to stick around and is looking for the next figurative bus out of the bare minimum that are the QZs, which is probably another contributing factor to why the QZs were falling by the time of the first game.
@@ferrik1675you’re not Joel you’re not going to be some badass that survives and takes out bandits you’re going to die and most likely very painfully and that more than likely would go for me and most other people too
In this video, i noticed something about the soldier that killed sarah. When he informs his boss about the situation. Now it is clear that he was ordered to kill both Joel and sarah. But instead of saying okay, he first says "but". Like he was going to argue. It was clear that he didn't want to do this. But whoever was in charge later said something to him that made him have to go through with it. Edit: damn. I wrote this 2 months ago and i already got 1k of likes.
This is expanded on a little more in the HBO show. When he stands over Joel ready to execute him, he says he's sorry. Of course it doesn't mean much from Joel's (and our) viewpoint, but it shows that these people aren't just faceless automatons, at least at this early stage.
I imagine what was said was something along the lines of like, your family is gonna be safe remember that. Something just sort of implying that FEDRA employees were probably given safety for them and their family's like an automatic place in the Qz
It makes you wonder how they were able to get ontop of the outbreak so fast and if they were anticipating the terrorist attack of the bioweapon spores being released at the ground zero locations. We aren't given much on that, obviously it adds to the mystery of the franchise and it's unimportant to the aftermath of the release. Which served it's intended purpose. Literally damning humanity. They obviously had solid knowledge of what was released or how deadly the bioweapon was to be in place to act so fast.
I noticed this on the first playthrough. I knew what was gonna happen the moment he got on comms and started arguing, and that he absolutely didn't want this. His humanity was fighting with his duty and his duty won out
FEDRA would be ruined as a thematic concept if it had some kind of evil central leader who just really hates the people for some weird personal reason. It’s better they work as an example of bureaucratic efficiency and that logic taken to the extreme
That narrative couldnt have been followed as FEDRA plays a minimal role in the main storyline of the game. Introducing a big character like that would divert the story towards being about Fedra
Don’t stop making these videos please, the last of us is my favorite game and I love listening to someone that clearly loves this game and has a deep understanding about it. I work 10 hour shifts four days a week and listening to your videos while i’m at work just makes my day better, and go faster. This game isn’t just a game to me, it makes me question “Would I do the same as Joel? Would I feel like Ellie if I was in this situation? Who would the fireflies be if this was in real life?” So many questions. I love your last of us videos even though I just found them, pls don’t stop making them.
@@jlev1028 Counter-point: Play on Survivor or Grounded if it isn't challenging enough for you, I assure you it is a good game and a good "movie". It being good at one form of presentation (i.e. cinematics), doesn't exclude it from being good at another form of presentation (i.e. gameplay).
FEDRA is by far the most interesting faction in TLoU because of what they represent; survival at any cost. I don't like to compare them to Jackson is because one is a small communal village where everyone knows each other and newcomers are thoroughly vetted by trusted folk before even being let near the settlement. Whereas the QZs have to have tens of thousands inside them, maybe more, and they have a functioning industrial base to keep weapons, cars, helicopters, medicine, etc in running order for twenty years.
Honestly, I mostly like FEDRA, they may be flawed and aren't going down the best way for survival. But they are at least keeping thousands and thousands of people alive in their quarantine zones even with their harsh and rough rules, the fireflies couldn't keep one city in their control.
Fedra literally completey fell by the end of part 2 so your comment is hypocritical. Fedra got to a point where they couldn’t even hold one city together
@ti4383 Where in the Last of us 2 does it day that all of Fedra has completely fallen. I ain't saying I dont believe you, I'm just curious where you got that information from, if anywhere? Because they survived for the first 20 years of the outbreak I kinda doubt in the 5 years in between games, all the remaining QZ just fell. Just because they're not present in the story as antagonists doesn't mean they're all gone.
I would imagine you sounding like a old person living in a QZ that hates all outsiders and is just trying to find quietness in the destroyed last of us world. 😅
I have to disagree with lumping FEDRA with the soldier at the start. He's from the Army, and the Army was dealing with an unprecedented, weird situation, as not at all prepared in any way, shape, or form. They did not know what they were dealing with, which resulted in atrocities. I could see FEDRA being created specifically as a result of the US Army's mistakes.
FEDRA is analogous to IRL FEMA. Its a cabinet level agency that at least advised the armed forces during the early crisis before eventually assuming control of the entire country. You can actually see the soldier wearing a FEDRA patch but I'd actually discount it as an easter egg since it doesn't really make sense for US troops to have those kinds of patches 6 hours into the apocalypse. They kind of botched it a little in the remaster but in the original, 2030 FEDRA is driving old trucks and humvees around painted in NATO woodland camo. They don't have their own army. They took equipment and personnel from the police and military until FEDRA was the only authority left.
Fedra is basically fema irl, it’s more likely all government branches just combined into an sole entity and choosing an organization focused on fighting the virus just fit into their publicity agenda more
I don't think I could have taken the shot that takes Sarah's life even under horrendous circumstances But I guess we never know until we're in that situation ourselves
@@tigerbun3316 yeah after seeing what the soldiers probably saw and thinking about what could happen if it reached their families. I could definetely see people and even myself doing it in the moment.
“Like a robot he accepts his fate” how about like a honorable man who knows that he will soon be a serious threat to the other helicopter crash survivors he accepts his fate.
It’s called a different perspective. You might think it’s honorable, human to want to protect others so much that you’d sacrifice yourself. Another perspective is that it’s human to want to live, to strive for personal survival, and that suppressing the urge for survival is on some level inhuman, and that rigid protocols- or as you put it as “honor”- is like a robot following its code. Both can be right, both can be wrong.
We can forget the difference between Tommy's settlement and fedra is size and region, Jackson Wyoming is isolated from most of the horrors of the east and small where everyone is for the community. Fedra is large and has to deal with the hordes of infected and endless gangs. fedra is trying to hold on to whats left of America. And as a state it's purpose is to exist but it can't efficiently govern all the people in its quarantine zones due to zombies. so from the pov of a state its better enforce as much control as possible to hold on to it's things. One hint of zombies in the "quarantine zone" would destabilize the people and delegitimize their rule and destroy the very fragile normal. and fedra remembers what happened in Pittsburgh when they lost control. Not saying fedra is right but why they're brutal.
I dont blame FEDRA at all. They are a running and industrialized civilization, whereas jackson is merely a town. And most importantly considering how infectious the diseas is, it only takes one single person to cause an outbreak and destroy jackson, so armed soldiers at rooftops and streets are a MUST to control an outbreak. The only way Jackson can avoid the diseas is total isolation which is also a form of tyranny I guess
I think what needs to be considered is the size of each settlement like a smaller group where everyone knows everyone and people would tell when they are infected. Whereas the QZs are full of thousands of people and like you can't keep am eye on everyone to make sure they aren't infected
Same here, sure the method employed by FEDRA can be considered excessive and brutal but it was a necessary evil. There is in fact a real life instance of such methods used to keep the people safe. Sentinel Island where the indigenous people there kills any outsiders who attempts to go there, and for good reason, the people there have NO immunity to any of the diseases we have. The handful of times they didn’t kill visitors to their island may have caused an outbreak of diseases which they have no natural immunity to, so the survivors of those times will have come to the conclusion that any outsiders attempting to go to their island will only bring death.
Jackson is a town a little south of Yellowstone. Absolutely desolate. FEDRA? A multi-state entity trying to maintain control of the dying US and protect whomever is in their jurisdiction by any means due to the harsh cities.
@@danielshore1457Jackson is also much more self sustaining then the qzs which are in cities with little fertile land. Rationing and strict rules are an must since they don’t have the resources to relax.
@@fresh4335 The various zones and checkpoints that are normally hallmarks of an oppressive regime also make sense in this case. In the instance of an outbreak or massive rioting you can easily isolate that neighborhood and put it in lockdown untill the situation is back under control as opposed to loosing a large chunk of the population.
I believe FEDRA is analogous to FEMA. FEMA is a real agency only it doesn’t have soldiers. In the game FEDRA was given all that power after 20 years of martial law. This solider is probably a guardsman.
I would imagine that the governing bodies of FEMA and maybe the CDC were combined and then given complete disposal of the US military, to create FEDRA.
The devs added a fedra patch to the soldier who kills Sarah in part 1. I refuse to believe he's fedra, but an army soldier. I feel like fedra got emergency military powers after a few days or weeks after outbreak day. Fema for instance doesn't have armed forces on standby.
FEDRA is FEMA that’s who there based of off the reason the military in the game isn’t the the US army is because it cause problems between naughty dog and the government for villainizing the military that’s why they are reskinned
Joel actually tortures people's so much that he device a tactic for it that Ellie adapts. Joel also knows what a highway ambush looks like because he did it to unsuspected survivors like them who were just trying to survive.
The whole stagnation of the Boston QZ seems like an appropriate way of seeing it. From what you can gather from the various logs and whatnot as you go through the game, you get the impression there aren't many QZ's left. Pittsburgh became the home of the Hunters and Henry & Sam came from another QZ (can't remember which one) and they mention it's falling apart. There's another interaction you can have with the soldiers on the street at the start of the Boston segment. If you approach one and try to attack, they'll shove you down and give you a warning. Try it again and they'll shove you down and put a bullet in your head on the spot for an instant death. Just goes to show that these people have fully given over to that cold, pragmatic dogma of FEDRA: maintain the quarantine zones, no matter what it takes. No matter how many of the people under your protection you have to kill to do so. One less mouth to feed, right? Or a dozen? Or a hundred? But how long until the food runs out, or the other resources? Or the people finally have enough and rise up and everyone dies in the chaos? But Reagan's story shows that these people are still human, but it's just a case of seeing them after the outer, harder layers are stripped away. They were lost and on their own, surrounded by Infected, and getting more and more desperate by the second. No wonder it all came apart.
Its important to note that when you supposed maby the only way humanity survived at all was because of the brutal methods taken by fedra, Joel is living in a quarantine zone. Sure he leaves but as capable as he is he still benefits from the security that they provide in his main holding.
whenever I see that "infection sensor" and how they take down infected immediately, I wonder how many immune people they might have offed, actively preventing finding a cure and/or reducing humanity's chances for survival, cuz immune people would likely have immune offspring.
I'm more curious how that sensor worked... like, how did it detect the fungus in a person? And on the subject, if they had the time and resources to create a device to detect infected, you'd think they would try and use said resources to at least find ways to be immune to the fungus. At least study the original source of the virus and attempt to get a cure or vaccine...
Most of the world was collapsing and this is why fireflies finding a cure in last of us part 2 doesn't make sense if fedra couldn't do it then why should people expect some insurgency group to find it when they are wiped out
If it's based on irl Jackson Wyoming, then the closest proper city is past a mountain range, hundreds of kilometers away. That being Thermopolis, iirc.
Also you can only wonder how Jackson is thriving if they have regular patrols and someone can just get infected and not tell anyone and cause an outbreak in town
@@mus8654 it explains in the show that the dogs and possibly other wild animals can sense if youre infected just like those infection detectors the fedra soldiers use. All they need is enough pets to do a daily search around town
If I remember correctly, despite how living in the quarantine zone in Boston sucks, there are still people from the outside, who are willing to do anything to get in. I believe if you go into the subway in the Boston area, there are notes of a guy who is trying to get into the Boston quarantine zone and I believe he was supposed to meet Bill, but for some reason he got bit or trapped in the subway. you actually his corpse.
If anything, I think the DLC perfectly illustrates why standardized protocols are necessary, even if they aren't perfect. Because if you leave these decisions up to irrational human beings, they're prone to doing dumb shit because of personal sentiment or for some misguided "heroism" and it pretty much always results in tragedy for everybody involved. Protocols take the responsibility off the shoulders of the individual and enable them to do the objectively right thing without emotions getting in the way. Also, Jackson works because it is tiny in comparison to Boston. Tiny enough to where people can be personally vetted and the community kinda surveils and polices itself, which would never work in a big city where you have to deal with bad actors of all sorts. And if the Jacksonians knew somebody was infected, you think they would have any better methods to deal with them than FEDRA? As soon as you allow infected to exist in a quarantine zone for WHATEVER reason, it stops being a quarantine zone and things go to shit almost instantly, as can be observed in every other city depicted in the series.
To take it a step further in the Last of Us show where Ellie and the F.E.D.R.A officer where instead off scolding Ellie for rightfully beating up Bethany the Officer tried to take a more fatherly approach to Ellie which in a way speaks volumes since Ellie stated that the boarding school is also an orphanage in which one would could that the said officer is trying to be at least some degree of a parental figure to the said orphans.
Winston Asher (only mentioned in the Left Behind DLC, but appears in the American Dreams comic) should also be mentioned as another character who humanizes FEDRA. He taught Ellie how to ride a horse after befriending her and Riley.
Fedra is basically a feudal system town during a plague. That’s what Western civilization looked like over most the last 1000 years during times of war, famine, and pandemic. Some areas are still like this in many ways.
Fedra cannot be compared with Jackson. A Fedra QZ is basically a city housing thousands upon thousands of residents whereas Jackson is a settlement or otherwise a town.
And the QZ is a QZ, and so for it to work in the beginning it has to be close to the cities so you can get people out. You can argue they made a mistake not trying to get people out
Fun fact. In the beginning where the Fedras take out some stragglers and check if the 4 are infected and are checking them with the device. If you try to hit one of them with an assault rifle, the guard will knock you down and shoot you. Those guys are ruthless and don't fuck around.
I sort of doubt that it’s the ideology of Jackson that has allowed it to survive. It is probably more so the isolation. Fedra’s main problem is that they decided or had to to set up their QZs in highly formerly densely populated areas which meant high levels of infected. This was a poor decision as they would have been much better off consolidating in smaller cities or rural area. But for whatever reason they chose to build their QZs in or next to big cities. Consequently, they are under a lot of pressure from infected and probably from bandit survivors. I think their approach is one born out of the pressure of their location. The simple geography of Jackson allows them to be more laidback but if push came to shove it could prove their downfall. However, the Fedra QZs don’t have that luxury and need to be intensely militarized in order to survive. I think that the destroyed QZs probably more proves that Fedra’s method are necessary than it shows that they are wrong. Also on the note of survival, it seems illogical to say that the QZs survival is not worth it. Sure the situation is bad now, but the very act of surviving makes it possible for there to be a better future. Death, destruction, and giving up are final and preclude any sort of better future. In survival, no matter how grim, there is opportunity.
Unless QZ were meant to fail, but not immediately so there's time to harvest resources, tech and people from them to classified remote locations (not directly ofc). So QZ's and traffic between them attract survivors like a mouse trap, while high-tech enclosed sites quietly prosper. Even fedra itself may be throwaway not knowing what other entities planned for it, since it got all power not at once, but gradually afaik.
The fact is that's where the people and resources were, you can't just build a new city in Wyoming from people in Boston the logistics for that would be insane, the QZ point was reasonable the problem they faced was the citites were to large to hope to keep completely safe, it's just not realistic to expect
I think an aspect of FEDRA's survival strategy not mentioned is how, through all of it tyranny/control/callousness, it's meant to remove any and all RISK. It doesn't matter if the machine is 100% accurate. They just won't risk any false positive. If it beeps, you remove that person. Risk minimized. I'd even argue the original ire towards the Fireflies (before any bombings\gunfights even took place) was likely just them breaking quarantine and not being tested when they came back. The Fireflies, to them, are just another risk they don't want to take. This also explains why the soldier was ordered to kill Sarah/Joel. They MIGHT not be infected, but why take the risk (especially when that early in the outbreak, no one really knows HOW to know someone's not infected/can't infect you yet). They certainly can't spread a disease they may or may not have if they're dead. FEDRA is by no means "good", but their strategy, as inhumane as it is, IS keeping people alive. But only at the "Surviving" level, hence why any breakdowns in their controlled zones and their attempts to reclaim control often lead to the zone's complete collapse and everyone dying. It works, until it doesn't.
I kinda like to see FEDRA as a mirror to the Cordyceps; some sort of suppressing order to the infectious chaos. As a whole, they are an amoral antagonistic force whose sole goal is ruthless, efficient survival no matter what, much like the infected does. They must keep humanity alive, pure and uninfected, even if they have to oppress it.
When i heard the government suspended the constitution. I had to look it up to see if they can even do that. But then i thought, "Anything the government does can be allowed if the people allow it to happen" Personally for me killing a child is something I'd never be able to do to survive even if i was told to by a chain of command. A popular character once said "if i'm to choose between one evil and another, I'd rather not choose at all."
I still say Part II's WLF were worse. They shoot anyone on sight that isn't a member, they have no problem brutalizing children if they're on the wrong side (with full malicious intent unlike the army soldier), they publicly execute people for praying, and more. An example is Hillcrest, what do you notice when you first walk in? The only people left are soldiers and infected. Every regular civilian has either been infected despite being under the WLF's care, has been executed, or fell to Boris' wrath, which also came from the actions of the Liberation Front.
The worst part about FEDRA is probably that it does make perfect sense and is not an incorrect response to the question of how we could survive the apocalypse as a species.
@@jamespaul6315 FEDRA deciding what sorts of jobs people get to have, how much they make, and how long they work for is pretty close to slavery. You don't have much control over your own life. You sleep when they tell you to, eat when they tell you to, etc. The Combine very likely do this same thing, since we see people being separated from their families and transported to different cities by train presumably by order of the Combine at the start of HL2. You can probably make a connection to prison labor in the US, which many people consider to be a modern form of slavery. And while yes, FEDRA seems to be in the right because they're trying to keep civilization going in the apocalypse, but the game shows that this level of control over peoples' lives isn't necessary when a town like Jackson is able to thrive with a more healthy and trusted community. The FEDRA quarantine zones are shitholes compared to Jackson, because FEDRA doesn't really care about its people. They're just obsessed with control, using the apocalypse as their excuse. You also don't have any real control over your own life in the quarantine zones because whether you live or die is pretty much up to FEDRA at all times. Their little device decides whether you're sick or not. As said in the video, this device could break and provide a false positive. But FEDRA could take literally any person they want, kill them and blame it on the virus, and many people won't really question whether the person was sick or not. They can do this with anyone who so much as protests against their treatment of the population. Very similar to how the Combine in HL2 are seen raiding apartments and slaughtering the people inside for simply being in the same vicinity of Gordon Freeman, an outsider, a "noncitizen" or "anticitizen." And Gordon is considered an anti-citizen at first simply because he's the only person the Combine can't ID. The Combine know everyone who lives under their rule. Until Gordon shows up. Gordon being an outsider means he could inspire citizens to rebel.
FEDRA is contrived to me. I feel in reality if this were to happen individual quarantine zones would fall in regionalism and isolationism. I doubt settlements would bend to the will of FEDRA nor would FEDRA be something that’s capable of enforcing it’s laws across America. It would be more interesting if the government settlements would be hostile to outsiders but would have limited trade with friendly military remnants, for example the Boston qz is in north end in Boston so it has a port for trade. FEDRA makes the military always villainous when they could add variety to differing factions of the former American military. They could add a storyline about how the military settlements resort to revanchism and try to spread their influence and reform their idea of what post apocalypse America should look like.
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Ive been a fan for a while, but i just gotta say, i think you are getting better and better, i find myself more eager to watch every video you put out compared to the previous one
TLOU is definitely one of my favorite games of all time and i’ve been totally engrossed with your series on it! your analysis is so good and it’s great to have people still talking about it
I still think it's an oversight of the writing to exclude higher FEDRA officers from the story. It had great potential in humanizing the individuals within the organization without compromising the larger messages about FEDRA as a whole, and could be accomplished with a single document for the player to find. It's disappointing that many writers who do apocalypse stories often have large blind spots in how their government entities are characterized.
The problem is that Fedra isn't a large part of the story, they serve as a way to see the fireflys as anything other then terrorists so that way when people talk about them fondly you understand there value even if Joel doesn't see them as any different
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I think a good comparison on how I could kind of justify FEDRA is through your actions in Frostpunk. The most efficient and brutal means, but people are alive, and keeping people alive is all you can do when the apocalypse is coming down on you.
Or as a mercenary hired by FEDRA. Imagine it, they're secretly a Firefly looking for secrets to take over the QZ they working in. But as you play your loyalty is split and you have to decided if you want the kind of absolute freedom that could lead to you getting eaten by zombies, or caged freedom where your rights are limited but you never have to worry about going to bed hungry.
Oh, the seconds you've said "it's probably not the scene you're thinking about", I've immediately realized which one you're gonna choose. I would've done the same.
These videos are awesome! I’m so happy to see creators still making content about my favorite game franchise. I love how you break things down and explain them. It makes me see things I’ve never noticed or thought before
I literally named my daughter after these games. Played part 1 countless times. It's so cool to have someone show me new perspectives I haven't thought about before. Thanks man! You give me shit to think about.
The moment you mentioned is survival worth something this horrific I just knew it was going to be the scene where Joel broke, and arguably the saddest one in the game
I always thought it would be amazing to get another game in this universe with a fedra agent that has a wife and child and you have to play as him as he does his duty as a fedra agent and then eventually (act 2) the place begins to fall a part and he has to decide if he chooses fedra or the uprising (exiling himself from fedra) to keep his family safe. I don’t have a full pitch. That’s all I got really
Interesting how perception changes ones interpretation, i wanna point out a few instances which i disagree with Frat's conclusion: 1-The first log is indeed written in a very military way, however i wouldnt say its devoid of emotion, getting emotionally overwhelmed is very dangerous to soldier since it leads bad decisions, thats why they are trained keep them controled, thinks of Kratos heart temperd by Mind speech to Atreus, with the log i could tell that Captain Reagan was rationalizing everything that happened, "must have been spore..." is her realizing they werent careful enough, "even with the helicopter spinning..." she is commending Caulifield's bravery and coolheadedness, Caulfield showing his bite and accepting death shows he preffered death over being a hazard to his friends/family. 2- The repetition of Rank and unit is used as a sort of Mantra during emotional crisis moments, such as torture or being MIA, to help maintain the mind focused, step by step kinda deal, so her gradually stopping it could be seen as her becoming less and less in control. IMO, knowing how everything progressed, i woudlnt change how FEDRA acted, to me they did everything right, its just a shit situation, i wonder though what would have happened if instead of the Fireflies, Elli and Joel had tried tried prove to Fedra that she was immune to the virus?
Ellie brought about her own worst fear. She and Abby couldn't let go of their passion for vengeance. And that passion for vengence brought about their need for "justice". And that justice brought their own destruction. I think in the end, Ellie was the loser. She ended up with nothing and no one
These kinds of essay videos are really such an eye-opener just to how much of an art form video games are. I wish younger me had this kind of content to absorb alongside playing the games but I'm glad I have it now even if, as an adult, I don't have enough time in a day to play video games.
One thing I found that one thing that show does that adds to the interesting aspect of fedra was that their methods while no arguement were brutal and we could argue on how effective they actually were made total sense. The show and game make clear just how dangerous the infected are. The entire prolong shows how fast shit hit the wall with the infected. Fedra makes it clear in their 20 year hold that they take no chances. If that thing makes the wrong sound you got to go. And considering how Boston seems to be the one of the few places left that hasn’t been overrun. It’s a belief that been working. They operate on a cold logical pragmatism that while brutal is keeping things together Interesting in the show with the Kansas City subplot showing with Kathleen that choosing revenge over the cold pragmatism that kept the city running causes the whole place to overrun cause she chooses to get revenge instead of dealing with the infected issue that even the citizens admit that fedra was good at dealing with
"How can I possibly help the dead by sacrificing the living? No one dies, not for me, ever." "I'm sorry, I keep forgetting you're less than a day old. I've had a decade since I left to process it, you've had an hour. Listen; death is... Scary, but it's not the ultimate thing in life. You have to live for more than just survival."
I'm absolutely in love with your videos. Thank you for these! I have not even played Last Of Us or God Of War but I have watched pretty much all of videos about these games and while I probably won't actually play them because I am not quite into these kind of games, I have fallen in love with these stories. Especially GOW, thank you for introducing me to that lore! (I know this video is not about GOW but just wanted to thank you in general.)
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I like FEDRA. The show humanizes them with the interaction between Ellie and the FEDRA officer trying to convince her to fall in line. I think I trust them more than the Fireflies I got to be honest
I think fedra gets too much hate. Fedra is like the man who can pull the lever in the trolley problem. They make the decisions that everyone hates but is necessary. Even the soldier that killed Joel’s daughter did it because they didn’t know the incubation period of the fungus and thus could still be infected. They are the only constructive faction outside of Jackson all the others. even the fireflies, just destroy what fedra creates: stability and safety
TLOU is about the old question "what if humanity goes back to the stone age?" There's no good guys, there's no bad guys, there's just terrible animalistic humans that cling onto life.
The last of us did so good at showing all the pretty realistic outcomes of a zombie apocalypse. I remember the discourse when the last of us show came out and people were complaining that their were gay people because “that wouldn’t help humanity” and they are just echoing what I’m guessing FEDRA would say. That you need to have children in the name of humanity’s survival, or something to that effect. Control over the pressure and guilt that YOU are the one controlling humanity’s fate and you must never make any error.
I really wish that F.E.D.R.A was the main antagonist of TLOU2. Like what if they stormed Jackson at the beginning of the game? They kill some people, capture some others and then there are some who escaped the raid. Then it's up to the player and some other survivers to avenge the people who were killed and rescue those that have been captured. And then by the end of the game a lot of loose ends introduced in the 1st game are tied up. Those are: how and why is Ellie immune, who is Ellie's mom, who is Ellie's dad, how and why did the corticeps virus come into existence. Maybe these will be adresed in TLOU3, bit I doubt it. And no, tv show doesn't and shouldn't count.
Honestly, I would have preferred that plot over what the sequel gave us. They could probably still introduce Abby organically, by saying that her remaining team of fireflies got caught by Fedra and are being tortured due to what their group did to the other QZ's. Ellie sees Joel getting captured and tries to stop them, but has to stay hidden or else they will kill her. Maybe Abby and Ellie meet up with each other, not knowing who they are and decided they need to team up to find a way to save their friends and family. Over time, they start to learn more about each other: Abby's father was the surgeon who would operate on Ellie and Ellie is the girl Abby's dad would operate on who is immune. Questions, Answers and Conflicts could arise from these revelations, especially how Abby would admit to Ellie that she would have died during the operation. This would probably make Ellie realize that Joel saving her had much more weight than she thought. Abby would be upset that Joel killed her dad, but she would start to realize that if the roles were reverse, she would have done the same. Fedra could be expanded upon and become a threat by wanting to take over more land. You could make the reason that the resources are starting to get smaller, and the population is growing. Maybe the number of infected has been decreasing due to constant purging of the infected, so they feel they are safer and capable of claiming more territory and promised the people new means of living rather than survival. So it's not just soldiers we are having to face, but the loyal people of Fedra. It gives them some understanding and sympathy, but also keep their ruthlessness. And Joel could still die, but more in a heroic sacrificial way. Maybe during the final confrontation, Ellie, Joel and Abby have to escape and get out before Fedra blows up or crumbles. The last higher up of Fedra tries to shot at Ellie, and Joel gets a flashback to Sarah, so he goes in and takes the bullets. His death could be a recreation when he lost Sarah, but now it's Joel slowly bleeding out and Ellie screaming. But Joel would be content with his death, and might even smile. Because he realized he was finally able to protect his little girl from the solider this time. He dies while Ellie mourns and Abby has to take her away. Maybe the ending, while somber as they mourn the people they lost during the Fedra raid, it could end on a hopeful note as Abby's pregnant friend who had given birth to her baby, reveals that she had gotten bitten during a run, only to realize she didn't turn. Ellie and Abby could realize she is immune, like Ellie and see the baby. Now, there are a few new immune people to the virus. The ending dialogue could be something like: Ellie: I'm not the only immune one now... Abby: Seems that way. Ellie: So... what does this mean? Abby: ...Hope... This means hope. Indicating that there could be more immunes out there or maybe they will try to restart the research on how to become immune to the fungus. These are just my ideas that come from the top of my head. Add to this if you will.
They made it clear the device in the game that can tell if someone was infected worked, and they also made it clear that if someone was infected that they will turn quickly. So yeah, the infected needed to be gotten rid of quickly for the sake of the villagers.
One interesting thing is the lack of long term planning FEDRA has. You don't see any farms, and its implied they are largely dependent on scavenging the ruins of Boston to supplement the dwindling supply stocks. Bill implies that they have some kind of limited manufacturing capabilities, but are the different QZs even in communication? What happens when the FEDRA stockpiles finally run out, and there's no more cans to fish out of the ruins? They're fragmented and don't have a plan.
That's explained in the first level of the first game. How are they going to get a farm when a fungus zombie will just die in an inconvenient location and start sporing up the place, making the entire farm unusable? They don't. That's the inherent existential horror endemic to the setting. . . Which is conveniently removed in the sequel. Yeah, things like this might not be explained in videos by channels that just read off wikis and reddit posts like this one.
Benjamin Franklin had this quote: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
@TheSuperPsychoKiller That's the idea of the social contract, you give up absolute freedom to get the benefits of society. The issue is then where the line is drawn.
fedra were at least keeping settlements alive. They werent perfect but the fireflies collapsed every zone they had control of
Agreed, hope alone is not enough turn around a bad situation, honestly if they ever make TLOU 3 i kinda want it to be focused around what Fedra did/does besides covering for people, did they do research on the virus? if ellie joined could they find a cure without killing her?
@@malucoblz588 i really lost interest after how much i hated part 2 tbh.
@@jamespaul6315Same. All the characters I liked are either dead or ruined. They would have to start with a whole new cast at this point.
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Me too. I mean, these guys raised Ellie, and have instructional structure that could be explored more
Several FEDRA zones collapsed due to their brutality... FEDRA's methods were never necessary, it was just fascists grabbing power and being afraid.
The most interesting part about Boston FEDRA is they're implied to be either the LEAST brutal or the MOST competant, as they're still standing when Joel and Ellie leave. Between both games and the show, we see a few failed QZs and a few other cities that were lost entirely. We still haven't seen another QZ that's operational. Boston's been doing something right for two decades.
I liked the note in Part 2 where Ellie says she went past the Las Vegas QZ, and could hear the screaming of the infected from outside the walls.
Heh, good point!
@@Keyboardeater1 forgot that one, that's a forth QZ wiped out. I can't imagine there are more than a handful that are still standing. Maybe something in Texas? Miami can be very isolated if you cut off access to 75 and 95 and there's plenty of farm land all around and between the Everglades and the urban areas.
There was evidence of at least another QZ in Denver, from the helicopter that crashed in the shopping mall in Left Behind. Considering they have choppers they must be doing very well for themselves
There’s another in Florida which manufactures pills in the hbo show
"The game presents life in Boston as being miserable, grim, and oppressive. There's no joy, no color, no warmth here. This might as well be another form of death. a slow stagnation where people live pointless and unhappy lives." As someone who lives there I can say this is bang on accurate.
lmfao
A lot of other places in real life seems to also be a bit like that too...
I think it's most of america tbh
@@juanjose2863 yeah fr
Could be worse, could be over the bridge with me in Dorchester lol
As a father now; hearing Sarah's wimpers tear me up inside more than it did originally.
I fully understand. I became a step father within this last year and whenever I listen to Sarah's whimpers and crying, it breaks something deep down
Beautiful work by the VA
I've never really seen a death scene that wasn't overly gory or graphic that breaks me like this one does. I've just restarted the game again, and I had to skip the cutscene when it got to that point because it's too much for me to handle.
I cry at the scene now. Just thinking about waking up twenty years after losing my wife and son even now makes me tear up and I haven't even had them as my family for a year yet. I really can't imagine a version of myself that doesn't just join them in death immediately. I don't think I could bare that pain unless I was with my brother like Joel had Tommy. Then I think I wouldn't want him to be alone and I know he wouldn't want me to be alone either.
@@dylanriola2877 bro what i about to say is a bit off topic
But huge respect for you raising a kid thats actually not yours people say its doesnt matter but as a man to man i can say that people like you make our society better
What i am trying to say is just kudos to you, and keep up the good work
The thing about Fedra, is that despite the brutality they exhibit... they're still safer than having to be outside on your own against hordes of zombies.
And because of that, I can easily see myself and many others submitting to them
And that answers what survival is worth to you.
@@ferrik1675 perhaps. Its easy to say we'd resist when we don't live in such desperate, unforgiving times in the here and now. Things change when you aren't sure if you'll have something to eat for the next 3 days, somewhere safe to sleep for a week, clean water for the next month, etc. I know how long a human being can last without food, water, shelter. I don't know if my convictions would last having to fend for myself, well and truly, in the ways my ancestors had to fend for themselves. Luxury beliefs are very expensive, afterall.
@@terrykrugii5652 While I'm inclined to agree with the discussion of luxury beliefs, it's also not impossible to see that FEDRA is still a very dangerous organization to be a part of, with the whole openly offing civilians based on the beeps of a device and whatnot. It seems like the kind of civilization that, in the end, nobody is actually really interested in wanting to stick around and is looking for the next figurative bus out of the bare minimum that are the QZs, which is probably another contributing factor to why the QZs were falling by the time of the first game.
Nah, I’d take the infected over FEDRA’s tyranny. Even if I die or am infected out there then at least I take the long walk free.
@@ferrik1675you’re not Joel you’re not going to be some badass that survives and takes out bandits you’re going to die and most likely very painfully and that more than likely would go for me and most other people too
In this video, i noticed something about the soldier that killed sarah. When he informs his boss about the situation. Now it is clear that he was ordered to kill both Joel and sarah. But instead of saying okay, he first says "but". Like he was going to argue. It was clear that he didn't want to do this. But whoever was in charge later said something to him that made him have to go through with it.
Edit: damn. I wrote this 2 months ago and i already got 1k of likes.
True, its very easy to dismiss it cause we got used to the whole "faceless organization" trope.
This is expanded on a little more in the HBO show. When he stands over Joel ready to execute him, he says he's sorry. Of course it doesn't mean much from Joel's (and our) viewpoint, but it shows that these people aren't just faceless automatons, at least at this early stage.
I imagine what was said was something along the lines of like, your family is gonna be safe remember that.
Something just sort of implying that FEDRA employees were probably given safety for them and their family's like an automatic place in the Qz
It makes you wonder how they were able to get ontop of the outbreak so fast and if they were anticipating the terrorist attack of the bioweapon spores being released at the ground zero locations. We aren't given much on that, obviously it adds to the mystery of the franchise and it's unimportant to the aftermath of the release. Which served it's intended purpose. Literally damning humanity. They obviously had solid knowledge of what was released or how deadly the bioweapon was to be in place to act so fast.
I noticed this on the first playthrough. I knew what was gonna happen the moment he got on comms and started arguing, and that he absolutely didn't want this. His humanity was fighting with his duty and his duty won out
FEDRA would be ruined as a thematic concept if it had some kind of evil central leader who just really hates the people for some weird personal reason. It’s better they work as an example of bureaucratic efficiency and that logic taken to the extreme
Hm.
@TheFriendlyFascist They clearly are.
That narrative couldnt have been followed as FEDRA plays a minimal role in the main storyline of the game. Introducing a big character like that would divert the story towards being about Fedra
@TheFriendlyFascist April 30, 1945
Don’t stop making these videos please, the last of us is my favorite game and I love listening to someone that clearly loves this game and has a deep understanding about it. I work 10 hour shifts four days a week and listening to your videos while i’m at work just makes my day better, and go faster. This game isn’t just a game to me, it makes me question “Would I do the same as Joel? Would I feel like Ellie if I was in this situation? Who would the fireflies be if this was in real life?” So many questions. I love your last of us videos even though I just found them, pls don’t stop making them.
You should play more games if that overglorified movie is your favorite.
@@jlev1028 Wait till you see how many avid gamers consider this one of their favorites.
Bro doesn't know what an opinion is @@jlev1028
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@@jlev1028 Counter-point: Play on Survivor or Grounded if it isn't challenging enough for you, I assure you it is a good game and a good "movie". It being good at one form of presentation (i.e. cinematics), doesn't exclude it from being good at another form of presentation (i.e. gameplay).
God the voice work of Sarah always makes me feel sick to my stomach, it’s so well done
FEDRA is by far the most interesting faction in TLoU because of what they represent; survival at any cost.
I don't like to compare them to Jackson is because one is a small communal village where everyone knows each other and newcomers are thoroughly vetted by trusted folk before even being let near the settlement. Whereas the QZs have to have tens of thousands inside them, maybe more, and they have a functioning industrial base to keep weapons, cars, helicopters, medicine, etc in running order for twenty years.
Honestly, I mostly like FEDRA, they may be flawed and aren't going down the best way for survival. But they are at least keeping thousands and thousands of people alive in their quarantine zones even with their harsh and rough rules, the fireflies couldn't keep one city in their control.
They had their organization's back broken by a loon with an armory strapped to his back 😂
BUT they were going to cure the world LOL WHAT A FARCE THAT CONTRIVANCE IS!
Fedra literally completey fell by the end of part 2 so your comment is hypocritical. Fedra got to a point where they couldn’t even hold one city together
@@MikeHunt-zy3cn The perks of being a video game protagonist, personal back armory 😅
@ti4383 Where in the Last of us 2 does it day that all of Fedra has completely fallen. I ain't saying I dont believe you, I'm just curious where you got that information from, if anywhere? Because they survived for the first 20 years of the outbreak I kinda doubt in the 5 years in between games, all the remaining QZ just fell. Just because they're not present in the story as antagonists doesn't mean they're all gone.
I was Team FEDRA. At least they tried to maintain some level of control amongst the chaos. Damn Fireflies always making trouble...
I would imagine you sounding like a old person living in a QZ that hates all outsiders and is just trying to find quietness in the destroyed last of us world. 😅
@@mus8654 It's funny you use the word "old" since it's only FEDRA citizens that get to see it lol
You based that off of 1 QZ.
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1idmultiple they overthrew fedra then all of their places turned to shit
I have to disagree with lumping FEDRA with the soldier at the start. He's from the Army, and the Army was dealing with an unprecedented, weird situation, as not at all prepared in any way, shape, or form. They did not know what they were dealing with, which resulted in atrocities. I could see FEDRA being created specifically as a result of the US Army's mistakes.
Fedra is the government and the army is u see the government. Fedra itself isn’t important it’s the government it represents is
FEDRA is analogous to IRL FEMA. Its a cabinet level agency that at least advised the armed forces during the early crisis before eventually assuming control of the entire country. You can actually see the soldier wearing a FEDRA patch but I'd actually discount it as an easter egg since it doesn't really make sense for US troops to have those kinds of patches 6 hours into the apocalypse.
They kind of botched it a little in the remaster but in the original, 2030 FEDRA is driving old trucks and humvees around painted in NATO woodland camo. They don't have their own army. They took equipment and personnel from the police and military until FEDRA was the only authority left.
Fedra is basically fema irl, it’s more likely all government branches just combined into an sole entity and choosing an organization focused on fighting the virus just fit into their publicity agenda more
I don't think I could have taken the shot that takes Sarah's life even under horrendous circumstances
But I guess we never know until we're in that situation ourselves
@@tigerbun3316 yeah after seeing what the soldiers probably saw and thinking about what could happen if it reached their families. I could definetely see people and even myself doing it in the moment.
“Like a robot he accepts his fate” how about like a honorable man who knows that he will soon be a serious threat to the other helicopter crash survivors he accepts his fate.
Fr what did he expect him to do?
It’s called a different perspective. You might think it’s honorable, human to want to protect others so much that you’d sacrifice yourself.
Another perspective is that it’s human to want to live, to strive for personal survival, and that suppressing the urge for survival is on some level inhuman, and that rigid protocols- or as you put it as “honor”- is like a robot following its code.
Both can be right, both can be wrong.
@@ferrik1675your the type of person to hide a bite and putting others in danger.
@@FrancoTwoTwoFour lol because i read more into media?
Because you think they should try to survive even when bitten and prioritize the individual over the unit@ferrik1675
We can forget the difference between Tommy's settlement and fedra is size and region, Jackson Wyoming is isolated from most of the horrors of the east and small where everyone is for the community. Fedra is large and has to deal with the hordes of infected and endless gangs. fedra is trying to hold on to whats left of America. And as a state it's purpose is to exist but it can't efficiently govern all the people in its quarantine zones due to zombies. so from the pov of a state its better enforce as much control as possible to hold on to it's things. One hint of zombies in the "quarantine zone" would destabilize the people and delegitimize their rule and destroy the very fragile normal. and fedra remembers what happened in Pittsburgh when they lost control. Not saying fedra is right but why they're brutal.
I dont blame FEDRA at all. They are a running and industrialized civilization, whereas jackson is merely a town. And most importantly considering how infectious the diseas is, it only takes one single person to cause an outbreak and destroy jackson, so armed soldiers at rooftops and streets are a MUST to control an outbreak. The only way Jackson can avoid the diseas is total isolation which is also a form of tyranny I guess
I think what needs to be considered is the size of each settlement like a smaller group where everyone knows everyone and people would tell when they are infected.
Whereas the QZs are full of thousands of people and like you can't keep am eye on everyone to make sure they aren't infected
Same here, sure the method employed by FEDRA can be considered excessive and brutal but it was a necessary evil. There is in fact a real life instance of such methods used to keep the people safe. Sentinel Island where the indigenous people there kills any outsiders who attempts to go there, and for good reason, the people there have NO immunity to any of the diseases we have. The handful of times they didn’t kill visitors to their island may have caused an outbreak of diseases which they have no natural immunity to, so the survivors of those times will have come to the conclusion that any outsiders attempting to go to their island will only bring death.
Jackson is a town a little south of Yellowstone. Absolutely desolate. FEDRA? A multi-state entity trying to maintain control of the dying US and protect whomever is in their jurisdiction by any means due to the harsh cities.
@@danielshore1457Jackson is also much more self sustaining then the qzs which are in cities with little fertile land. Rationing and strict rules are an must since they don’t have the resources to relax.
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The various zones and checkpoints that are normally hallmarks of an oppressive regime also make sense in this case.
In the instance of an outbreak or massive rioting you can easily isolate that neighborhood and put it in lockdown untill the situation is back under control as opposed to loosing a large chunk of the population.
I believe FEDRA is analogous to FEMA. FEMA is a real agency only it doesn’t have soldiers. In the game FEDRA was given all that power after 20 years of martial law. This solider is probably a guardsman.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I would imagine that the governing bodies of FEMA and maybe the CDC were combined and then given complete disposal of the US military, to create FEDRA.
It's the same as CERA in The Division
The devs added a fedra patch to the soldier who kills Sarah in part 1. I refuse to believe he's fedra, but an army soldier. I feel like fedra got emergency military powers after a few days or weeks after outbreak day. Fema for instance doesn't have armed forces on standby.
FEDRA is FEMA that’s who there based of off the reason the military in the game isn’t the the US army is because it cause problems between naughty dog and the government for villainizing the military that’s why they are reskinned
Joel actually tortures people's so much that he device a tactic for it that Ellie adapts. Joel also knows what a highway ambush looks like because he did it to unsuspected survivors like them who were just trying to survive.
The whole stagnation of the Boston QZ seems like an appropriate way of seeing it. From what you can gather from the various logs and whatnot as you go through the game, you get the impression there aren't many QZ's left. Pittsburgh became the home of the Hunters and Henry & Sam came from another QZ (can't remember which one) and they mention it's falling apart.
There's another interaction you can have with the soldiers on the street at the start of the Boston segment. If you approach one and try to attack, they'll shove you down and give you a warning. Try it again and they'll shove you down and put a bullet in your head on the spot for an instant death. Just goes to show that these people have fully given over to that cold, pragmatic dogma of FEDRA: maintain the quarantine zones, no matter what it takes. No matter how many of the people under your protection you have to kill to do so. One less mouth to feed, right? Or a dozen? Or a hundred? But how long until the food runs out, or the other resources? Or the people finally have enough and rise up and everyone dies in the chaos?
But Reagan's story shows that these people are still human, but it's just a case of seeing them after the outer, harder layers are stripped away. They were lost and on their own, surrounded by Infected, and getting more and more desperate by the second. No wonder it all came apart.
baltimore qz iirc
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Its important to note that when you supposed maby the only way humanity survived at all was because of the brutal methods taken by fedra, Joel is living in a quarantine zone. Sure he leaves but as capable as he is he still benefits from the security that they provide in his main holding.
whenever I see that "infection sensor" and how they take down infected immediately, I wonder how many immune people they might have offed, actively preventing finding a cure and/or reducing humanity's chances for survival, cuz immune people would likely have immune offspring.
I'm more curious how that sensor worked... like, how did it detect the fungus in a person? And on the subject, if they had the time and resources to create a device to detect infected, you'd think they would try and use said resources to at least find ways to be immune to the fungus. At least study the original source of the virus and attempt to get a cure or vaccine...
Most of the world was collapsing and this is why fireflies finding a cure in last of us part 2 doesn't make sense if fedra couldn't do it then why should people expect some insurgency group to find it when they are wiped out
@@cosmok-1367Hmm yes because making a cure or vaccine to a fungus is as simple as to a virus
@@cosmok-1367likely products of a world civilization with more resources at the start of the apocalypse
@@cosmok-1367since the fungus grows on the brain and spine I’d assume it’s like an X-ray searching for anything that isn’t supposed to be there
I think Jaskson was possible because they were not near a big city so less infected
If it's based on irl Jackson Wyoming, then the closest proper city is past a mountain range, hundreds of kilometers away. That being Thermopolis, iirc.
What about the huge hoard in part 2?
Also you can only wonder how Jackson is thriving if they have regular patrols and someone can just get infected and not tell anyone and cause an outbreak in town
@@mus8654 it explains in the show that the dogs and possibly other wild animals can sense if youre infected just like those infection detectors the fedra soldiers use. All they need is enough pets to do a daily search around town
@@quanage4296 really? Which part in the show im currently watching it
If I remember correctly, despite how living in the quarantine zone in Boston sucks, there are still people from the outside, who are willing to do anything to get in. I believe if you go into the subway in the Boston area, there are notes of a guy who is trying to get into the Boston quarantine zone and I believe he was supposed to meet Bill, but for some reason he got bit or trapped in the subway. you actually his corpse.
I loved this universe since I was 13, I’m 24 now and I still can’t stop watching videos about it
If anything, I think the DLC perfectly illustrates why standardized protocols are necessary, even if they aren't perfect. Because if you leave these decisions up to irrational human beings, they're prone to doing dumb shit because of personal sentiment or for some misguided "heroism" and it pretty much always results in tragedy for everybody involved. Protocols take the responsibility off the shoulders of the individual and enable them to do the objectively right thing without emotions getting in the way.
Also, Jackson works because it is tiny in comparison to Boston. Tiny enough to where people can be personally vetted and the community kinda surveils and polices itself, which would never work in a big city where you have to deal with bad actors of all sorts. And if the Jacksonians knew somebody was infected, you think they would have any better methods to deal with them than FEDRA? As soon as you allow infected to exist in a quarantine zone for WHATEVER reason, it stops being a quarantine zone and things go to shit almost instantly, as can be observed in every other city depicted in the series.
To take it a step further in the Last of Us show where Ellie and the F.E.D.R.A officer where instead off scolding Ellie for rightfully beating up Bethany the Officer tried to take a more fatherly approach to Ellie which in a way speaks volumes since Ellie stated that the boarding school is also an orphanage in which one would could that the said officer is trying to be at least some degree of a parental figure to the said orphans.
I juts searched that out and watched it. You were on the money!
Winston Asher (only mentioned in the Left Behind DLC, but appears in the American Dreams comic) should also be mentioned as another character who humanizes FEDRA. He taught Ellie how to ride a horse after befriending her and Riley.
Fedra is basically a feudal system town during a plague. That’s what Western civilization looked like over most the last 1000 years during times of war, famine, and pandemic. Some areas are still like this in many ways.
Spot on. It does beg the question though if a better system could exist in the face of such challenges.
This isn't true, like at all. Please don't comment on things you know nothing about.😊
@@alexfc679 How so?
@@alexfc679Lol stop yapping you didn't even give an response.
Fedra cannot be compared with Jackson. A Fedra QZ is basically a city housing thousands upon thousands of residents whereas Jackson is a settlement or otherwise a town.
And the QZ is a QZ, and so for it to work in the beginning it has to be close to the cities so you can get people out.
You can argue they made a mistake not trying to get people out
FEDRA is stupid enough to think a city is a good spot for a safe zone........
Fun fact. In the beginning where the Fedras take out some stragglers and check if the 4 are infected and are checking them with the device. If you try to hit one of them with an assault rifle, the guard will knock you down and shoot you. Those guys are ruthless and don't fuck around.
I sort of doubt that it’s the ideology of Jackson that has allowed it to survive. It is probably more so the isolation. Fedra’s main problem is that they decided or had to to set up their QZs in highly formerly densely populated areas which meant high levels of infected. This was a poor decision as they would have been much better off consolidating in smaller cities or rural area. But for whatever reason they chose to build their QZs in or next to big cities. Consequently, they are under a lot of pressure from infected and probably from bandit survivors. I think their approach is one born out of the pressure of their location. The simple geography of Jackson allows them to be more laidback but if push came to shove it could prove their downfall. However, the Fedra QZs don’t have that luxury and need to be intensely militarized in order to survive. I think that the destroyed QZs probably more proves that Fedra’s method are necessary than it shows that they are wrong. Also on the note of survival, it seems illogical to say that the QZs survival is not worth it. Sure the situation is bad now, but the very act of surviving makes it possible for there to be a better future. Death, destruction, and giving up are final and preclude any sort of better future. In survival, no matter how grim,
there is opportunity.
Unless QZ were meant to fail, but not immediately so there's time to harvest resources, tech and people from them to classified remote locations (not directly ofc). So QZ's and traffic between them attract survivors like a mouse trap, while high-tech enclosed sites quietly prosper.
Even fedra itself may be throwaway not knowing what other entities planned for it, since it got all power not at once, but gradually afaik.
The fact is that's where the people and resources were, you can't just build a new city in Wyoming from people in Boston the logistics for that would be insane, the QZ point was reasonable the problem they faced was the citites were to large to hope to keep completely safe, it's just not realistic to expect
I think an aspect of FEDRA's survival strategy not mentioned is how, through all of it tyranny/control/callousness, it's meant to remove any and all RISK.
It doesn't matter if the machine is 100% accurate. They just won't risk any false positive. If it beeps, you remove that person. Risk minimized.
I'd even argue the original ire towards the Fireflies (before any bombings\gunfights even took place) was likely just them breaking quarantine and not being tested when they came back. The Fireflies, to them, are just another risk they don't want to take.
This also explains why the soldier was ordered to kill Sarah/Joel. They MIGHT not be infected, but why take the risk (especially when that early in the outbreak, no one really knows HOW to know someone's not infected/can't infect you yet). They certainly can't spread a disease they may or may not have if they're dead.
FEDRA is by no means "good", but their strategy, as inhumane as it is, IS keeping people alive. But only at the "Surviving" level, hence why any breakdowns in their controlled zones and their attempts to reclaim control often lead to the zone's complete collapse and everyone dying. It works, until it doesn't.
The detail of 4th ID being in that Colorado mall is crazy considering it's actually one of Ft. Carsons oldest and biggest divisions
I kinda like to see FEDRA as a mirror to the Cordyceps; some sort of suppressing order to the infectious chaos. As a whole, they are an amoral antagonistic force whose sole goal is ruthless, efficient survival no matter what, much like the infected does. They must keep humanity alive, pure and uninfected, even if they have to oppress it.
Smart!
When i heard the government suspended the constitution. I had to look it up to see if they can even do that.
But then i thought, "Anything the government does can be allowed if the people allow it to happen"
Personally for me killing a child is something I'd never be able to do to survive even if i was told to by a chain of command.
A popular character once said "if i'm to choose between one evil and another, I'd rather not choose at all."
"Not making a decision, is a BIG decision."
You’re capable of more than you think, especially during crisis.
- "Look everybody, It's rick!"@@Jake-uv4sl
Where does it say the govt suspended the constitution? Someone people tell me
Eventually your lack of ruthlessness will kill you. After a while only the ruthless and lucky will be alive.
i’m just now wondering if Fedra had simply killed all immune people due to the fact that if it read infected they were killed
I suppose it's possible.
Jackson only lasts as long as its not targeted. Fedras bastions can actively withstand.
Is that why so many have fallen?
Literally watched this video appear in real time while going through your TLOU playlist--super excited!
YES!!! THE FEDRA VIDEO!!!
This man is a god sent. I can’t never get enough of him!!
I NEVER noticed how each character you have a run in with shows you what the price of survival is to them. You roped me in immediately.
I absolutely love your analysis videos, really underrated.
I still say Part II's WLF were worse. They shoot anyone on sight that isn't a member, they have no problem brutalizing children if they're on the wrong side (with full malicious intent unlike the army soldier), they publicly execute people for praying, and more. An example is Hillcrest, what do you notice when you first walk in? The only people left are soldiers and infected. Every regular civilian has either been infected despite being under the WLF's care, has been executed, or fell to Boris' wrath, which also came from the actions of the Liberation Front.
The WLF actually forced the survivors to move to their base in the stadium.
The worst part about FEDRA is probably that it does make perfect sense and is not an incorrect response to the question of how we could survive the apocalypse as a species.
The comparison of F.E.D.R.A with the Half-Life 2 combine is on point.
100% The Compromise Breen made for World Peace led to enslavement of the Human Race!
It really isnt. One is enslaving, the other is working with limited resources to keep humanity going
Nah FEDRA is what a crumbling government with no real center of power looks like
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FEDRA deciding what sorts of jobs people get to have, how much they make, and how long they work for is pretty close to slavery. You don't have much control over your own life. You sleep when they tell you to, eat when they tell you to, etc. The Combine very likely do this same thing, since we see people being separated from their families and transported to different cities by train presumably by order of the Combine at the start of HL2. You can probably make a connection to prison labor in the US, which many people consider to be a modern form of slavery.
And while yes, FEDRA seems to be in the right because they're trying to keep civilization going in the apocalypse, but the game shows that this level of control over peoples' lives isn't necessary when a town like Jackson is able to thrive with a more healthy and trusted community. The FEDRA quarantine zones are shitholes compared to Jackson, because FEDRA doesn't really care about its people. They're just obsessed with control, using the apocalypse as their excuse.
You also don't have any real control over your own life in the quarantine zones because whether you live or die is pretty much up to FEDRA at all times. Their little device decides whether you're sick or not. As said in the video, this device could break and provide a false positive. But FEDRA could take literally any person they want, kill them and blame it on the virus, and many people won't really question whether the person was sick or not. They can do this with anyone who so much as protests against their treatment of the population. Very similar to how the Combine in HL2 are seen raiding apartments and slaughtering the people inside for simply being in the same vicinity of Gordon Freeman, an outsider, a "noncitizen" or "anticitizen." And Gordon is considered an anti-citizen at first simply because he's the only person the Combine can't ID. The Combine know everyone who lives under their rule. Until Gordon shows up. Gordon being an outsider means he could inspire citizens to rebel.
@@thewatcher7940 well then leave the fedra camps. Why were people dying to get in ? Its literally survival of the species
FEDRA is contrived to me. I feel in reality if this were to happen individual quarantine zones would fall in regionalism and isolationism. I doubt settlements would bend to the will of FEDRA nor would FEDRA be something that’s capable of enforcing it’s laws across America. It would be more interesting if the government settlements would be hostile to outsiders but would have limited trade with friendly military remnants, for example the Boston qz is in north end in Boston so it has a port for trade. FEDRA makes the military always villainous when they could add variety to differing factions of the former American military. They could add a storyline about how the military settlements resort to revanchism and try to spread their influence and reform their idea of what post apocalypse America should look like.
I discovered your channel through God of War videos, my favorite series, now I’m learning so much about a bunch of series I never would’ve looked up. Great work.
Ive been a fan for a while, but i just gotta say, i think you are getting better and better, i find myself more eager to watch every video you put out compared to the previous one
that prologue cutscene legit had me in tears on my first playthrough! savage!
TLOU is definitely one of my favorite games of all time and i’ve been totally engrossed with your series on it! your analysis is so good and it’s great to have people still talking about it
A true masterpiece
Your writing and thinking is extraordinarily impressive. I wish I could have half the intelligence you possess
"I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
- The scariest sentence you'll ever hear.
in this case, yea thats what they did, even if you didnt want the help
"I'm from the government and we're here to help"
Not just a single person, but even worse multiple
I still think it's an oversight of the writing to exclude higher FEDRA officers from the story. It had great potential in humanizing the individuals within the organization without compromising the larger messages about FEDRA as a whole, and could be accomplished with a single document for the player to find. It's disappointing that many writers who do apocalypse stories often have large blind spots in how their government entities are characterized.
The problem is that Fedra isn't a large part of the story, they serve as a way to see the fireflys as anything other then terrorists so that way when people talk about them fondly you understand there value even if Joel doesn't see them as any different
your contents great I put it on in the background all the time thank you
Fatbrett my guy. I found ur channel when the odin video was new and I've literally watched every single release since. I know that I'm definitely not the only person that sees a new fatbrett video and goes "hell yeah." Keep up the great work dude.
The Boston QZ couldnt even be bothered to seal up the mall, even though they knew it was a way infected were getting in.
2:57 You can see the soldier's insignia on his left shoulder, which says 'Federal Disaster' at the top and 'Response Agency' at the bottom.
I usually don't comment on any videos, but to be honest this is single-handedly the most detailed and well-polished video i have watched in a long time. You have definetly earned yourself a new subsciber today :)
I think a good comparison on how I could kind of justify FEDRA is through your actions in Frostpunk. The most efficient and brutal means, but people are alive, and keeping people alive is all you can do when the apocalypse is coming down on you.
Why couldn’t part 2 be about a FEDRA soldier and do FEDRA things? The game would have been much more fun to play.
agreed.
Now I’m sad :(
no. it would not.
wth
Or as a mercenary hired by FEDRA.
Imagine it, they're secretly a Firefly looking for secrets to take over the QZ they working in. But as you play your loyalty is split and you have to decided if you want the kind of absolute freedom that could lead to you getting eaten by zombies, or caged freedom where your rights are limited but you never have to worry about going to bed hungry.
Because that would've been interesting
Instead of whatever the crap part 2 was.
me abt to rewatch the rest of the playlist then seeing this was posted a minute ago 🤝
Love these mate; I’m learning so much about my favourite games!!!
I don’t think FEDRA is a totalitarian regime. Just authoritarian.
Agreed, it's got nothing on INGSOC
Oh, the seconds you've said "it's probably not the scene you're thinking about", I've immediately realized which one you're gonna choose. I would've done the same.
These videos are awesome! I’m so happy to see creators still making content about my favorite game franchise. I love how you break things down and explain them. It makes me see things I’ve never noticed or thought before
I literally named my daughter after these games. Played part 1 countless times. It's so cool to have someone show me new perspectives I haven't thought about before. Thanks man! You give me shit to think about.
The moment you mentioned is survival worth something this horrific I just knew it was going to be the scene where Joel broke, and arguably the saddest one in the game
hearing you describe fedra police just sounded like the police. one wrong move and gone
Or the israeli occupation of Palestine
I always thought it would be amazing to get another game in this universe with a fedra agent that has a wife and child and you have to play as him as he does his duty as a fedra agent and then eventually (act 2) the place begins to fall a part and he has to decide if he chooses fedra or the uprising (exiling himself from fedra) to keep his family safe. I don’t have a full pitch. That’s all I got really
Interesting how perception changes ones interpretation, i wanna point out a few instances which i disagree with Frat's conclusion:
1-The first log is indeed written in a very military way, however i wouldnt say its devoid of emotion, getting emotionally overwhelmed is very dangerous to soldier since it leads bad decisions, thats why they are trained keep them controled, thinks of Kratos heart temperd by Mind speech to Atreus, with the log i could tell that Captain Reagan was rationalizing everything that happened, "must have been spore..." is her realizing they werent careful enough, "even with the helicopter spinning..." she is commending Caulifield's bravery and coolheadedness, Caulfield showing his bite and accepting death shows he preffered death over being a hazard to his friends/family.
2- The repetition of Rank and unit is used as a sort of Mantra during emotional crisis moments, such as torture or being MIA, to help maintain the mind focused, step by step kinda deal, so her gradually stopping it could be seen as her becoming less and less in control.
IMO, knowing how everything progressed, i woudlnt change how FEDRA acted, to me they did everything right, its just a shit situation, i wonder though what would have happened if instead of the Fireflies, Elli and Joel had tried tried prove to Fedra that she was immune to the virus?
More or less.
Welcome to hell.
The virgin CEDA vs the Chad FEDRA.
This video is sick, I really hope you continue to tackle TLOU and maybe even delve into TLOU2
Fantastic job, sir!
Can’t wait for what videos will come in the futures.
All the best.
Ellie brought about her own worst fear. She and Abby couldn't let go of their passion for vengeance. And that passion for vengence brought about their need for "justice". And that justice brought their own destruction. I think in the end, Ellie was the loser. She ended up with nothing and no one
These kinds of essay videos are really such an eye-opener just to how much of an art form video games are.
I wish younger me had this kind of content to absorb alongside playing the games but I'm glad I have it now even if, as an adult, I don't have enough time in a day to play video games.
One thing I found that one thing that show does that adds to the interesting aspect of fedra was that their methods while no arguement were brutal and we could argue on how effective they actually were made total sense. The show and game make clear just how dangerous the infected are. The entire prolong shows how fast shit hit the wall with the infected. Fedra makes it clear in their 20 year hold that they take no chances. If that thing makes the wrong sound you got to go. And considering how Boston seems to be the one of the few places left that hasn’t been overrun. It’s a belief that been working. They operate on a cold logical pragmatism that while brutal is keeping things together
Interesting in the show with the Kansas City subplot showing with Kathleen that choosing revenge over the cold pragmatism that kept the city running causes the whole place to overrun cause she chooses to get revenge instead of dealing with the infected issue that even the citizens admit that fedra was good at dealing with
I just love your videos and analysis so much. Will you ever do a Deconstruction of Villany on Red Dead Redemption 2 in the future?
"How can I possibly help the dead by sacrificing the living? No one dies, not for me, ever."
"I'm sorry, I keep forgetting you're less than a day old. I've had a decade since I left to process it, you've had an hour. Listen; death is... Scary, but it's not the ultimate thing in life. You have to live for more than just survival."
I'm absolutely in love with your videos. Thank you for these! I have not even played Last Of Us or God Of War but I have watched pretty much all of videos about these games and while I probably won't actually play them because I am not quite into these kind of games, I have fallen in love with these stories. Especially GOW, thank you for introducing me to that lore! (I know this video is not about GOW but just wanted to thank you in general.)
Ooh i love you dissecting the logs
Dude I just wanna say, I really appreciate your videos man. They are so well crafted, and ik it sounds stupid because they are all about video games, but they have really helped me through stuff me tough times. So keep the good work up bro and thanks🙏👍
We don’t like those who say first. At least there’s a great video aside from that.
The FEDRA officer scene in the series (in his office with Ellie) was also interesting.
Honestly i love every last one of your videos
I like FEDRA. The show humanizes them with the interaction between Ellie and the FEDRA officer trying to convince her to fall in line. I think I trust them more than the Fireflies I got to be honest
I think fedra gets too much hate. Fedra is like the man who can pull the lever in the trolley problem. They make the decisions that everyone hates but is necessary. Even the soldier that killed Joel’s daughter did it because they didn’t know the incubation period of the fungus and thus could still be infected. They are the only constructive faction outside of Jackson all the others. even the fireflies, just destroy what fedra creates: stability and safety
Fascist apologist.
Especially their fuel and food depots, thus creating the very reason some choose to join the Fireflies
TLOU is about the old question "what if humanity goes back to the stone age?"
There's no good guys, there's no bad guys, there's just terrible animalistic humans that cling onto life.
I really love the narration, u've got a excellent deep voice the proper grammar of the english language I can't ask for anything else.❤
The last of us did so good at showing all the pretty realistic outcomes of a zombie apocalypse. I remember the discourse when the last of us show came out and people were complaining that their were gay people because “that wouldn’t help humanity” and they are just echoing what I’m guessing FEDRA would say. That you need to have children in the name of humanity’s survival, or something to that effect. Control over the pressure and guilt that YOU are the one controlling humanity’s fate and you must never make any error.
I really wish that F.E.D.R.A was the main antagonist of TLOU2. Like what if they stormed Jackson at the beginning of the game? They kill some people, capture some others and then there are some who escaped the raid. Then it's up to the player and some other survivers to avenge the people who were killed and rescue those that have been captured. And then by the end of the game a lot of loose ends introduced in the 1st game are tied up. Those are: how and why is Ellie immune, who is Ellie's mom, who is Ellie's dad, how and why did the corticeps virus come into existence. Maybe these will be adresed in TLOU3, bit I doubt it. And no, tv show doesn't and shouldn't count.
If only right 😂😂
Honestly, I would have preferred that plot over what the sequel gave us. They could probably still introduce Abby organically, by saying that her remaining team of fireflies got caught by Fedra and are being tortured due to what their group did to the other QZ's. Ellie sees Joel getting captured and tries to stop them, but has to stay hidden or else they will kill her.
Maybe Abby and Ellie meet up with each other, not knowing who they are and decided they need to team up to find a way to save their friends and family. Over time, they start to learn more about each other: Abby's father was the surgeon who would operate on Ellie and Ellie is the girl Abby's dad would operate on who is immune. Questions, Answers and Conflicts could arise from these revelations, especially how Abby would admit to Ellie that she would have died during the operation. This would probably make Ellie realize that Joel saving her had much more weight than she thought. Abby would be upset that Joel killed her dad, but she would start to realize that if the roles were reverse, she would have done the same.
Fedra could be expanded upon and become a threat by wanting to take over more land. You could make the reason that the resources are starting to get smaller, and the population is growing. Maybe the number of infected has been decreasing due to constant purging of the infected, so they feel they are safer and capable of claiming more territory and promised the people new means of living rather than survival. So it's not just soldiers we are having to face, but the loyal people of Fedra. It gives them some understanding and sympathy, but also keep their ruthlessness.
And Joel could still die, but more in a heroic sacrificial way. Maybe during the final confrontation, Ellie, Joel and Abby have to escape and get out before Fedra blows up or crumbles. The last higher up of Fedra tries to shot at Ellie, and Joel gets a flashback to Sarah, so he goes in and takes the bullets. His death could be a recreation when he lost Sarah, but now it's Joel slowly bleeding out and Ellie screaming. But Joel would be content with his death, and might even smile. Because he realized he was finally able to protect his little girl from the solider this time. He dies while Ellie mourns and Abby has to take her away.
Maybe the ending, while somber as they mourn the people they lost during the Fedra raid, it could end on a hopeful note as Abby's pregnant friend who had given birth to her baby, reveals that she had gotten bitten during a run, only to realize she didn't turn. Ellie and Abby could realize she is immune, like Ellie and see the baby. Now, there are a few new immune people to the virus. The ending dialogue could be something like: Ellie: I'm not the only immune one now... Abby: Seems that way. Ellie: So... what does this mean? Abby: ...Hope... This means hope. Indicating that there could be more immunes out there or maybe they will try to restart the research on how to become immune to the fungus.
These are just my ideas that come from the top of my head. Add to this if you will.
Im the only one who thinks that the Fireflies are the bad Guys ?
They made it clear the device in the game that can tell if someone was infected worked, and they also made it clear that if someone was infected that they will turn quickly. So yeah, the infected needed to be gotten rid of quickly for the sake of the villagers.
One interesting thing is the lack of long term planning FEDRA has. You don't see any farms, and its implied they are largely dependent on scavenging the ruins of Boston to supplement the dwindling supply stocks.
Bill implies that they have some kind of limited manufacturing capabilities, but are the different QZs even in communication? What happens when the FEDRA stockpiles finally run out, and there's no more cans to fish out of the ruins? They're fragmented and don't have a plan.
It wouldn't be hard to assign those jobs when the time comes. I can see FEDRA evolving a little like the WLF in Part 2 and becoming self-sufficient.
@@robchuk4136 It's been twenty years, long term prep should already be in place by now.
That's explained in the first level of the first game.
How are they going to get a farm when a fungus zombie will just die in an inconvenient location and start sporing up the place, making the entire farm unusable? They don't. That's the inherent existential horror endemic to the setting. . . Which is conveniently removed in the sequel.
Yeah, things like this might not be explained in videos by channels that just read off wikis and reddit posts like this one.
Could be secured still. But there is no way any food lasts 20 years. They got an operation.
@crazyinsane500 the spores only spread in enclosed locations though.
man, I'd love to see your take on Red Dead Redemption series. lots of amazing characters to deconstruct.
You’re mission objective takes priority above all else holding on to a principle like that would keep you alive for long
Ellie didn't go into the mall to help Joel, left behind was a prequel set before the two met amd explains how Ellie got bitten in the first place
No, the DLC opens with Joel getting injured, and has present time Ellie in a mall getting supplies for him.
these videos are absolutely incredible, my only hope is you continue on into analysis of the second game
hearing sarah’s cries as she lies on the ground breaks my heart every single time
Age old question, how many freedoms would you give up for safety? Would you give up freedom for protection?
No duh, we already gave up freedoms for protection. That's how civilization works
Benjamin Franklin had this quote: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
@@jlev1028 he was also a fat xenophobe that really hated Germans. Don't care
Why should I give up my freedom for others to protect me? Why can’t they give me resources to protect myself?
@TheSuperPsychoKiller That's the idea of the social contract, you give up absolute freedom to get the benefits of society. The issue is then where the line is drawn.
That's exactly the cutscene I expected 😂😂
It is 100% the scene I thought it was gonna be when you mentioned fedra
Thankyou Mr.Brett really loved your storytelling always look forward to seeing your videos 🥰✨✨✨✨