Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*
Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!* Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Muhammad Ali, "Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard *unrecognizable* folks in Africa." Cosell, "But you think you could have beaten him too?" Ali, "Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination. Cosell, " You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility." Ali, "Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!" Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Moore and Charles would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. ((( *Why was the most important part removed?? Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Moore and Charles would've beat Marciano"!!!* ))) ABC'S WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS {MUHAMMAD ALI VERSUS THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME; DAYTONA 500} Summary: This edition concludes the segment "Muhammad Ali versus the Greatest Heavyweight Champions of All Time" in which Howard Cosell and Muhammad Ali discuss the careers of great boxers. In this final portion, Cosell, with world heavyweight champion Ali at Ali's Deer Lake, Pa., training camp, discusses fight films involving these fighters: Joe Louis, Max Schmeling, Billy Conn, Ezzard Charles, Pat Valentino, and Jersey Joe Walcott. Dave Diles reports with a sports news update on the final lap of the Daytona 500 automobile race as Bill Flemming narrates the tape of the finish. Ali and Cosell resume their discussion of fight films involving the following fighters: Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, and Rocky Marciano. ABC February 15, 1976 Sunday 8 ½ hrs. ((( *Dave Diles explains the entire 8 ½ hrs. coverage @ 1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage from NascarAllOut* ))) ((( Moral of the story is so much of what Ali actually said about Rocky has been removed!!! *This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!!!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades!!! The honest truth is Rocky uploaders removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda!!! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano!!!* Why not just use Rocky's resume to defend him instead of hiding vital information? *Well because Rocky's resume is Horseshirt, that's why!!!* Y'all can order copies *@ Archival Television Audio Inc.* just type in Muhammad Ali. 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore Louis Conn.. *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Moore and Charles would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, February 15 1976* )))
1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)* 1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)* 2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1 3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1 4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)* 1947 5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1 6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)* *1947-03-17 Professional Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, March 1948.* 1948 *(Rocky's back to amateur bouts)* 7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1 8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3 9. February George McInnis TKO-1 10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)* 11. March Fred Fischera KO 12. March George McGinnis W-3 *1948-07-12 Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano. Don Cuoco & Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson bcz once Professional you cannot go back to the amateurs.* Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........Rocky only *(7)* years Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........Rocky only *(7)* years Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...Rocky only *(7)* years LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....Rocky only *(7)* years Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
The story of Liston winning the title from Patterson, memorizing a thank-you speech to deliver when he arrived back home (memorized because he couldn’t read) and then realizing nobody was waiting for him at the airport, and how crushed he was... fuckin' sad, man.
Sonny was born into a family that couldn't afford for him to go to school, and when the family mule died, his father hitched his 9 year old son to the plow. Why? Simply the history of kids working on the farm. However the story would seem to accentuate the point of how strong Liston was. He grew up with a father that eventually disappeared and a mother who was on and off drugs. He use to hang out in abandoned houses and hide from other people. By the time he was twelve he had been arrested for street robberies and burglary around Brooklyn. He was rescued out of a orphanage/ boys home for juvenile offenders by Cus D’Amato not because he was a shining knight but he could make money off his athletic talent. "Liston was a different breed; what a specimen." - Cus D'Amato
Marciano was on a “no-lose” mission to achieving greatness and he did so by simply out-working and out-conditioning all fighting foes. His work ethic was nothing short of remarkably consistent and disciplined: hours of running, gym work, sparring, push-ups and sit-ups, countless medicine-ball thumps to the gut. Marciano was committed to his training regimen. Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think, Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
In between fights, in the normal course of his life from 1947 to 1955, "Rocky would run 6-7 miles a day," his uncle Charlie Piccento said, "he even followed his routine and ran on Christmas mornings and every holiday, including his and his children’s birthdays. He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one."
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan "One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston "Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis "The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali "My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield "Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier "Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles "Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott "Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore "Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer "Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali "Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza "One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman If that is not respect, I don't know what is.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
Chuck Wepner who fought both Liston and Foreman said that compared to Liston, Foreman was Mr. Friendly. He said that getting hit by George was like getting hit by an incredibly strong man, getting hit by Sonny was like getting hit by a baseball bat. Wepner left the ring of the Liston fight looking like he had just been in a horrific car accident. The fight was stopped by ring doctor after the 9th round, Wepner had 6 massive cuts to his face that required the most ever 338 stitches[1] and was pouring blood everywhere, his left eye was swollen completely shut, his cheek as well as nose were broken. 1. Chuck describes his record 338 stitches -- 'Chuck Wepner interview with Tony Polito' @14:20 ( Liston expert, Paul Gallender said, "Sonny Liston was killed by the mobsters, with a heroin overdose, because he didn’t throw the Wepner fight")
"His derelictions have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2. Rocco, along with another solider named James Murphy robbed two Englishmen and assaulted them. When questioned, Rocco and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they changed their story. Marchegiano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Rocco however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Rocco received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge. *(What stands out is Rocco's ability to go from Dishonorable to Honorable. I served in the USAF and in all my years I've never heard of that happening before!)*
Nino Valdes, as he lay dying from cancer, drugged heavily with morphine, was asked by his family if it hurt, and said: “Not as bad as getting hit by Sonny Liston!"
Don't let anyone tell you different, Marciano faced some very formidable hall of fame opponents. Walcott and Charles were not washed up when they fought him. They both fought the first fight brilliantly. While Rocky stopped the old mongoose it was a grueling fight. At first Moore seemed the better boxer but the Blockbuster would not be stopped. His incredible conditioning and brutal punching were all to much for Archie. Rocky defined what the heart of a champion is in this fight.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said, "after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning."
"A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise..." Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
The way Rocky throws punches from every conceivable point on the compass is not only fun to watch but inspiring. He was a perpetual motion punching machine that ground his opponents down like a hydraulic drill attacking a boulder.
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
In between fights, in the normal course of his life from 1947 to 1955, "Rocky would run 6-7 miles a day," his uncle Charlie Piccento said, "he even followed his routine and ran on Christmas mornings and every holiday, including his and his children’s birthdays. He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one."
Marciano boarded a small Cessna 172 with pilot Glenn Belz, and Frank Farrell, the son of Louis Thomas Fratto, born Luigi Tommaso Giuseppe Fratto, also known as "Lew Farrell" and "Cock-eyed", an American labor racketeer and organized crime figure in Chicago, Illinois, and Des Moines, Iowa, from the 1930s to his death in 1967. A massive storm system challenged Belz's relative inexperience (231 hours of total flight time) as the plane flew west from Chicago over Iowa. Trying to land at a small airfield outside Newton, Belz crashed the plane into a tree about two miles short of the intended runway. On August 31, 1969, all aboard, including Marciano, died on impact. It was all Rocky's fault, he pressured the amateur pilot into flying even though he knew they were headed towards severe thunderstorms. Why? What was so important in Des Moines? His business was loansharking and he was in a hurry to collect 35K which is equivalent to 293K today. He was in a hurry because he didn't want to be late to his birthday (Sept. 1st) party the next day in Florida.
During his retirement speech, and during his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show Rocky said, *"I want to spend more time with my family."* Instead, he immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands and left them penniless, *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23, 1993*
"my left eye went when i was young. i was working the speed bag and some steel went in the eye and scratched it to pieces. i was blind in that eye. some doctors were my best friends. we sheltered the story and kept it a quiet. and i learnt the eye-chart by heart." -- joe frazier
Unbeaten is the story of an immigrant son who chased the American dream in the middle of the 20th Century *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* Rocky Marciano’s story unfolds in the back alleys of New England and the musty gyms of New York in the years after World War 2. He moved through a romantic era of guys and dolls, hustlers and gamblers, crusty trainers and sleazy managers, glamorous celebrities and notorious mobsters. What I knew about the undefeated 184 lb cruiserweight champ before I read the book 'Unbeaten' was that he quit during his prime right before he would have had to face the likes of Cleveland Williams, Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston just to name a few. I did not know about his conduct during World War 2 that got him locked for two years for felony assault and robbery. Nor did i realize that his list of opponents while he was champ were of dubious quality, boxers who were on the way down like Louis and Walcott. Light heavyweight Moore was 41 if not older and light heavyweight Charles had Lou Gehrig's disease. For the last decade of his life Marciano wandered America, disillusioned, untrusting, hiding his money, cheating on his wife, consorting with the mobsters and loansharking. He hung around with Frank Sinatra and a number of "made guys." Marciano was not a good businessperson and was lousy with investing and saving money. He left his family penniless. Again his boxing record is offset by the low level of his opponents. He died relatively young in a plane crash due to his complete and utter disregard of intentionally flying during horrible weather conditions inorder to collect money.
Liston was the most powerful intimidating Heavyweight ever. He never gets enough credit bcz of the two Ali fights which were dubious to say the least. Ali was seen as the bright new future, and Sonny was forced to step aside, and then found dead in really suspicious circumstances when he might "talk" about the deceit. His life story is better than any fiction novel, he deserves more respect than he gets. Before the first Clay fight Joe Louis told Sonny that he was going to bet on him. *"Joe, save your money,"* Sonny said....Now , that's something to think about. It's in Liston's biography.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
@bobbyd1776bumciano went life and death with guys with 20 losses. even wilder fought better comp and still has better ko ratio and double his first round ko’s. tomato crusher ciano
Marciano's monastic monk like year round daily runs and 3 to 5 month preparation per fight was unprecedented. Never seeking refuge in a clinch and couldn't be hurt he broke spirits. Rocky beat them up, rearranged their bone structure and knocked them out.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said, "after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning."
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Rocky Marciano's legacy is not that he was just undefeated, but how he was undefeated. He overcame cuts, knockdowns, trailing late in fights, and more. His will is unquestioned. When you look at the greatest heavyweights to ever reign over the most prestigious title in all of sports, the greats are near-mythical figures that would give everything to win, men that had an indomitable spirit to go along with skill. When you think of guys like that, you think of Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield and yes, Rocky Marciano, who undoubtedly etched his name among them. So let the revisionist run their mouths about how he was too short, how he was just a brawler, how his competition was weak etc. In the end, no other heavyweight champion has ever retired undefeated and I doubt anyone else ever will. The one-man that did it is always standing and his name is Rocky Marciano!
Don't let anyone tell you different, Marciano faced some very formidable hall of fame opponents. Walcott and Charles were not washed up when they fought him. They both fought the first fight brilliantly. While Rocky stopped the old mongoose it was a grueling fight. At first Moore seemed the better boxer but the Blockbuster would not be stopped. His incredible conditioning and brutal punching were all to much for Archie. Rocky defined what the heart of a champion is in this fight.
Rocky was almost as popular as the President and so many sports writers across America was printing information about him during his championship years. Some of that material is rare and great sources of authentic information. Rocky Marciano: The 13th Candle Rocky Marciano: Training And Meal Of Great Champion The Rocky Marciano Story - 1954 Rocky Marciano's Book of Boxing and Bodybuilding Rocky Marciano: The Winner ! This Guy Marciano Rocky Marciano: A Life Story Rocky Marciano: Undefeated Heavyweight Champion Of The World Rocky: The Story Of A Champion Undefeated: Rocky Marciano The Fighter Who Refused To Lose Rocky Marciano: The Brockton Blockbuster Rocky Marciano: The Immortal Champion Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times Rocky Marciano: Biography Of A First Son Unbeaten And much more through boxing magazines, newspaper articles, 1952 LIFE magazine, 1955 Sports Illustrated, etcetera. I stand by the "5 pounds" built into his combat boots only through his early training years at the park next to his mother/father's house. When his training became more advanced he ran in Converse black-and-white version of the All Star tennis shoes.
I loved Rocky Marciano's response when someone asked him what he was thinking when Walcott knocked him down in their first fight: "Gee, this fellow hits hard. I might have to get up a couple of times before I knock him out."
Rocky Marciano's legacy is not that he was just undefeated, but how he was undefeated. He overcame cuts, knockdowns, trailing late in fights, and more. His will is unquestioned. When you look at the greatest Heavyweights to ever reign over the most prestigious title in all of sports, the greats are near-mythical figures that would give everything to win, men that had an indomitable spirit to go along with skill. When you think of guys like that, you think of Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield and yes, Rocky Marciano, who undoubtedly etched his name among them. So let the revisionist run their mouths about how he was too short, how he was just a brawler, how his competition was weak etc. In the end, no other Heavyweight champion has ever retired undefeated and I doubt anyone else ever will. The one-man that did it is always standing and his name is Rocky Marciano!
Consider that in December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 4, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano? This is a key point. 'Mr Boxing' himself, Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired. EXPLAIN HOW LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT ROCKY GOES FROM 7TH PLACE DURING THE 60s AND 70s TO TOP 4 SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2024? Bcz his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe. Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES,, imagine that? 'AGE' is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms cannot see Moore was at least 42 and Walcott was at least 40. Algorithms cannot see Charles/Moore were light heavyweights and Joe Louis's reflexes were completely shot. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 (washed) Hall of Famers and went 49-0. And that's exactly why the little light heavy aka tiny cruiser is ranked ahead of dozens of topnotch genuine Super Heavyweights!
According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. --by Mike Stanton and Fight City Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…”
Thundering fists, bloodied gloves, sweltering heat and a chant that would build and erupt: rocky, Rocky, ROCKY! He earned his 49-0 with raw intensity, rainmaker hooks and spring-loaded uppercuts. Marciano was relentless and tougher than a coffin nail.
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset. Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning. In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night. He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted. He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy. He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag. He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds). He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else. Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour. And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar. Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds. No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion. There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp. Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.” And he wasn’t. Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply: “Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.” And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
"A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise..." Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
There are some who never give up. There is nothing to do, they do not go down. And if they go down, they get up. You will always find them before you, maybe staggering, blood-filled, ready to step on. Sport teaches you cannot always win... They do not care, do not believe that, and always win: with a broken nose, with closed eye, a blood-red mouth. Rocky was like this. Rough, wild, fearless. His straight right punch was equivalent to a 9th grade richter. His left hook punch was an electroshock. He was not there to lose. An invincible.
Marciano was on a “no-lose” mission to achieving greatness and he did so by simply out-working and out-conditioning all fighting foes. His work ethic was nothing short of remarkably consistent and disciplined: hours of running, gym work, sparring, push-ups and sit-ups, countless medicine-ball thumps to the gut. Marciano was committed to his training regimen. Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think, Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Rocky was a never ending onslaught of cardiovascular brutality. He had a chin that allowed him to exchange and let him set his feet to put guys under. He also had some of the sneakiest footwork and underrated defenses the sport has seen.
"A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise..." Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
In between fights, in the normal course of his life from 1947 to 1955, "Rocky would run 6-7 miles a day," his uncle Charlie Piccento said, "he even followed his routine and ran on Christmas mornings and every holiday, including his and his children’s birthdays. He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one."
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
"Joe Louis was the biggest name on Marciano’s resume, but he was 37 years old and had lost much. By the time of their fight the once legendary Louis had long since lost his once devastating punch” as Nat Fleischer wrote, "Louis depended greatly on speed, timing and sense of distance for his hitting power. His lost reflexes robbed him of his explosiveness and therefore his punching power."
George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"
Hall of Famer Teddy Brenner who later became president of Madison Square Garden Boxing said, *“Carbo had his fingers on the throat of boxing. If he did not own a certain fighter he owned the manager. Weill was a boxing politician who held hands with the mob. When Weill was Marciano’s manager he was controlled by Carbo. In May 1949 Weill became the matchmaker for the IBC. That meant Marciano could fight against carefully chosen opponents when and where Weill wanted. When the IBC took over promotion at Madison Square Garden, Brenner returned there to work as assistant matchmaker to Al Weill. Brenner booked preliminary matches at the Garden and cards at St. Nicholas Arena, also in New York. In 1950, Brenner left the IBC, alleging Weill had ordered him to make a match for a fixed fight. Eventually the verdict was damning; 25 years in Alcatraz for Carbo, 15 years in prison for Palermo. Marciano visited both inside their prison cells numerous times."* -- written by International Boxing Hall Of Fame
For two decades the Marciano's have been trying to remove this article *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993* but cannot because it's all factual. Many defamation lawsuits have been filed but all failed. Rocky was seriously messed up. He caused his own demise through his insatiable desire for sex and money.
"Nobody hit those bags like Sonny. He tore bags up. He could turn that hook, put everything behind it. Turn and snap. Bam! Why, he could knock you across the room with a jab. I saw him knock guys out with a straight jab. Bam! In the ring, Sonny was a killing machine." -- Johnny Tacco
Sports Illustrated writer Tex Maule wrote that Liston's shoulder injury was legitimate. He cited medical evidence: "A team of eight doctors inspected Liston's arm at St. Francis Hospital in Miami Beach and agreed that it was too badly damaged for Liston to continue fighting. The torn tendon had bled down into the mass of the biceps, swelling and numbing the arm." --Those findings were confirmed in a formal investigation immediately after the fight by Florida State Attorney Richard Gerstein, who also noted that there was little doubt that Liston went into the fight with a lame shoulder.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step. After the fight Ibeabuchi complained of a headache and was taken to a hospital. He underwent several tests including an MRI scan but nothing abnormal was found and was immediately released. A week after the fight Tua had surgery to remove bone chips from his left elbow. And Ike's in🎃sanity had nothing to do with anything he injested lik-roids, he was too paranoid of medications to take anything illegal. Ike was an anomaly, one in a million. No heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, and he believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils. Unfortunately, here was a very scary man both in and out of the ring. And it’s unfortunate that we’ll never know what could have been. Bob Arum: "I don’t know, but it was the Heavyweight division and people love a puncher, and while he probably couldn’t have made what Mike Tyson made, but he would have been damn close. You know, hundreds of millions of dollars, sure. But again, again, that’s life, that’s life. You have to be a person, you have to be sane, you have to comport yourself with some kind of dignity and some kind of grace in order to realize that type of reward, and he couldn’t do it." 21 months later, 245lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up-and-coming heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was 20-0 with 15 knockouts, only 26 years old .. and he never fought again. Byrd: "I got a little arrogant, thinking I’m unhittable. Cause I just thought, Oh man, he can’t hit me! I’m gonna slip everything. And, boom, just got caught. When I got knocked down the first time, I got, literally, the canvas woke me up. I was asleep before I hit the ground, and when I hit the canvas it woke me up. I asked the referee why he stopped the fight? What are you doing? "The bell rung!" But my bell was still ringing, that’s what was ringing, was my bell." 245lb Ike Ibeabuchi would have been the heir to Lennox Lewis throne. The Klitschko's would have been gate keepers if he was around. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches and had a ridiculous work-rate with KO written all over his punches. *Little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky Marciano gets flattened by the 245lb prodigy Ike Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not even debatable!*
Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 Rex Layne. Ezzard Charles. Joe Louis. You left them out. The fact that you did shows your comment is false and based on a lack of facts. There, I disproved your comment in a paragraph that takes 15 seconds to read. Cry about it.
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 Oh, and not to mention the fact, Rocky's nose was literally SPLIT IN HALF by Ezzard Charles, and Rocky was never knocked out once in his career. He was only knocked down a couple times. And in that fight, Rocky still knocked out Charles in the 8th round. Keep spamming your web of lies and lack of facts all over these Marciano videos, boy. You're only making yourself look ignorant.
*C-LEVEL Journeyman Walcott lost to Middleweights Mays ,, Palmer ,, Ketchell ,, and to Light heavyweights Charles x2 ,, Fox x2 ,, Maxim ,, Brothers ,, Taylor.. In summary Walcott consistently lost to Middleweights and Light heavyweights!!! Overall he lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times!!!*
He was a high-school dropout who worked a series of dead-end jobs - delivering coal, laboring in factories making candy, beverages, and shoes, slinging hash in a diner, digging ditches, clearing land, and fixing sidewalks. But Marciano had two world-class skills. He could absorb a frightful beating, and he could knock men out cold. “I was a nobody,” he was fond of saying. “In the ring, I became a somebody."
Marciano was single-mindedly determined to succeed. “I’ve been in this boxing business fifty years, and I’ve never seen anyone like you yet,” Goldman told the fighter after he became champion. “Work. Work. Work. Train. Train. Train. Sometimes I suspect you’re not even human.” Marciano’s work ethic and indomitable will to win were the key elements of his rise, along with a final ingredient, the only one supplied by nature: a right-hand punch that put even superior boxers to sleep.
Rocky was a never ending onslaught of cardiovascular brutality. He had a chin that allowed him to exchange and let him set his feet to put guys under. He also had some of the sneakiest footwork and underrated defenses the sport has seen.
Siempre Fué "Alguien".! Solo Que, Un Dia Simplemente Encontró "Su Pasión En Un Deporte Muy Popular"; Donde Brilló Como "Muy Pocos" En La Historia, y Cuyo Legado Boxístico... Roza "El Mito".!!!
Ali scored *164-points,* Louis scored *138,* Wladimir *136,* Lennox *111,* Holyfield *109,* Holmes *88,* Foreman *86,* Frazier *84,* Tyson *77.* Ali is the only Heavyweight Champion with an *A+ LEVEL.* Keep in mind that *C-LEVEL* is an average fighter that still has an outside chance of winning a Heavyweight title similar to Charles Martin and Leon Spinks. *D* and *F-LEVEL* boxers have very slim to no chance. Rex Layne - 50 wins 17 losses with an abysmal 48% KOs *C-LEVEL.* Layne scores an extremely low *15-points* for his top-10 yearly annual ranked appearances throughout his career. Who did he beat?? His best win was against Walcott but *everybody beat Jersey Joe so no biggie.* Jersey Joe Walcott - 49 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 44% KOs *C-LEVEL.* Walcott only scores *55-points* for his top-10 rankings. Walcott fought for the title *6* times and lost *5* times. He's more famous for his losses than his wins. *The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division must have been at this time. ""Five"" of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!* Archie Moore - 186 wins 23 losses with a low-power 60% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *C-LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Moore accumulated *156-points* at light heavyweight and only *21* at Heavyweight. Moore misses his *A+ LEVEL* at Light heavyweight bcz *(23)* losses is *too many!* Ali only had *5* losses, Louis only had *3,* Lennox had *2,* Wladimir had *5,* Liston had *4,* Vitali had *2,* Bowe had *1* etc. BUT BUT Moore had 220 Fights!!! Well Marciano only had *49* so stop whining. Ezzard Charles - 95 wins 25 losses with the lowest ever 42% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *B-minus LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Charles only compiled *24 points* at light heavyweight and *59 points* at Heavyweight. *Too many losses.* Fight *4* fights lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1.* Y'all act as if *(25)* losses are Meaningless. If Fury or Usyk has only *(1)* loss they'd be thrown under the bus for eternity just lik' Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG Light Heavyweight Champion Michael Spinks was!!! Oh dear,, almost forgot little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky Marciano's 49 wins 0 losses with an astonishing 87.76% KOs. Why?? Why such remarkable numbers??? *It's easy to figure out when compared to Archie Moore's 220-fight Total-!!!!* Marciano only scored a mere *48-points* due to his remarkably short career!!! Marciano is *B-plus or A-minus LEVEL* for his weak competition and lack of points (48) due to his short 7yr career. (Check it out @ Top 10 Heavyweights & Light Heavyweights frm Rummy's Corner.. Also @ The Ring Magazines Annual Ratings)
The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. *He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring."* Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', *"Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."* So after all this time it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder *Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" --source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin* Nobody knows how that particular ring in 1949 was actually constructed at that particular venue. Regardless of the flooring, Vingo *tooth-pick* Bingo was 6' 4" 189 lbs with an abysmal 38% KO's. A closer look at-is 18 opponents: #1) Vingo 188¼ vs. Barney Metten 192¾ lbs CAREER *6 wins 3 losses* with 44% KO's. *F-LEVEL* #2) Vingo 187 lbs vs. Fred Ramsey 186 lbs CAREER *8 wins 12 losses* with 28% KO's. *F-LEVEL* #3) Vingo 190 lbs vs. Earl Turner 198 lbs CAREER *2 wins 21 losses* with *0%* KO's. *F-LEVEL..* Turner's only purpose was *Paddin Records!* #4) Vingo 190 lbs vs. George Washington 187 lbs CAREER *12 wins 33 losses* with 17% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* Another *Paid Diver!* #5) Vingo 194½ lbs vs. Joe Lindsay 182½ lbs CAREER *28 wins 7 losses* with 29% KO's. *C-LEVEL..* Vingo *""LOSES""* #6) Vingo 194 lbs vs. Freddie McManus 179½ lbs CAREER *18 wins 19 losses* with 7% KO's. *F-LEVEL* #7) Vingo 197 lbs vs. Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER *9 wins 15 losses* with 4% KO's. *F-LEVEL* #8) Vingo 192 lbs vs. Jimmy Walls 189½ lbs CAREER *20 wins 41 losses* with 8% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* *Another Diver!* #9) Vingo 189½ lbs vs. Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER *9 wins 15 losses* with 4% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* SECOND time Vingo fights this guy. *Why???* #10) Vingo 188 lbs vs. Johnny Williams 183 lbs CAREER *2 wins 13 losses* with 6% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* This isn't even boxing anymore. It's charity for the homeless. #11) Vingo 188 lbs vs. Don Mogard 191¼ lbs CAREER *20 wins 16 losses* with 15% KO's. *F-LEVEL* #12) Vingo 195 lbs vs. Freddie McManus 178 lbs CAREER *18 wins 19 losses* with 7% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* SECOND time Vingo fights this guy. *Why???* #13) Vingo 195 lbs vs. Ernie Conyer 191½ lbs CAREER *5 wins 9 losses* with 21% KO's. *F-LEVEL* #14) Vingo 185 lbs vs. Ernie Conyer 187½ lbs CAREER *5 wins 9 losses* with 21% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* SECOND time Vingo fights this guy. *Why???* #15) Vingo 188½ lbs vs. Joe Modzele 183 lbs CAREER *18 wins 8 losses* with 26% KO's. *D to F-LEVEL..* Light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights were obviously dime a dozen back then. #16) Vingo 192½ lbs vs George Washington 189 lbs CAREER *12 wins 33 losses.* with 17% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* SECOND time Vingo fights this *Diver.* Vingo fought *"FOUR"* opponents *"TWICE"* within (16) bouts. *Why???* The majority of his opponents have Losing records. *Why???* This is all to reminiscent of Roland LaStarza's opponents. This isn't even funny anymore. It's downright shameful. #17) Vingo 193 lbs vs Al Robinson 193 lbs CAREER *0 wins 5 losses* with 0% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* Vingo actually fights a *debuting 0-0-0 amateur* just before he faces little Rocky. *Why???* #18) Vingo 189 lbs vs Rocky Marciano 180¼ lbs CAREER *49 wins 0 losses* with 87.76% KO's. *B-LEVEL..* Vingo was completely outclassed and never had a chance from the get-go. I saw their Getty Museum pics and Marciano didn't have a single mark on his face,, his eyes were wide open and clear. *((* All this time i was mislead into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for *SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD* --Carmine Vingo *))* [[ *WHAT THEY DID TO VINGO WAS A TRAVESTY!!!* ]]
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
What a partonizing load of sh*#...a real informed boxing fan are you ? These were two men who despite their lack of puglitic skill would demolish many in their devisions today ... @@Alien_Observer_LV-426
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
BoxRec has officially lists these Rocky Marciano opponents as *'middleweights'* and *'light'* heavyweights: Eddie Ross - division *"Middleweight"* Harry Bilazarian - division *"Middleweight"* Archie Moore - division *"Light heavy"* Harry Matthews - division *"Light heavy"* Harry Haft - division *"Light heavy"* Ted Lowry - division *"Light heavy"* Willis Applegate - division *"Light heavy"* Bob Jefferson - division *"Light heavy"* Ezzard Charles - division *"Light heavy"* Apparently after 23 years BoxRec recently changed Ezzard Charles's division classification to *"heavy"* several days ago. It don't matter if they change it to the *"Super-Heavy"* division bcz he still weighed a mere *181-lbs* when he won his title and there is nothing BoxRec or anyone can do or say to change that Fact! Marciano's small era was a huge contributing factor towards the Cruiserweight division being created. *There comes a point the size disparity becomes a bridge too far even for outstanding smaller boxers.* Did the Klitschko brothers, Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights??? *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion???*
"Of all the men I fought in boxing, Sonny Liston was the scariest." -- Muhammad Ali "He's the meanest fighter that ever lived. No one's more intimidating. Not even myself." -- Mike Tyson "Liston compares favorably with any of the heavyweights of the past. Any of them. When somebody asks me, How does Liston compare with Joe Louis?' I have to stop and think. So you know how good a fighter Liston is." -- Cus D'Amato "Sonny Liston stood up to me and actually made me give ground. No one has ever done that to me before or since." -- George Foreman "Possibly the greatest left jab in the history of the heavyweight division. That left jab could go through brick walls." -- Bert Sugar "I boxed heavyweights for four years till I realized Sonny Liston wasn't my cup of tea. When I saw him come on the scene, I said I'm going to get back down where I belong." -- Willie Pastrano "When you got hit by Sonny Liston's jab, it felt like you were getting hit with a telephone pole." -- Ray Schoeninger "Nobody hit those bags like Sonny. He tore bags up. He could turn that hook, put everything behind it. Turn and snap. Bam! Why, he could knock you across the room with a jab. I saw him knock guys out with a straight jab. Bam! In the ring, Sonny was a killing machine." -- Johnny Tacco "Liston could scowl as hard as any man in or out of the ring. And, of course, he invented the big stare." -- Joe Louis "When Sonny gave you the evil eye - I don't care who you were - you shrunk to two feet tall. And one thing more; he could fight like hell. They forget it now, but when Liston was champ, some people thought he was the greatest heavyweight of all time." -- Harold Conrad "Liston was the biggest puncher I ever fought." -- Chuck Wepner "If you got hit with the right hand, you wouldn't get up." -- Floyd Patterson Liston was the most powerful intimidating Heavyweight ever. He never gets enough credit bcz of the two Ali fights which were dubious to say the least. Ali was seen as the bright new future, and Sonny was forced to step aside, and then found dead in really suspicious circumstances when he might "talk" about the deceit. His life story is better than any fiction novel, he deserves more respect than he gets. Before the first Clay fight Joe Louis told Sonny that he was going to bet on him. *"Joe, save your money,"* Sonny said....Now , that's something to think about. It's in Liston's biography.
@@timnik2902 He didn't shatter his face.. Marciano incurred all the damage. Walcott was perfectly fine. Back in training 2 days later. Meantime Rocky had to have nose surgery and dozens of stitches! All the exaggerating is hilarious.
This 4 minute montage has been spliced, diced and edited to show the fights only action throughout 13 rounds. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. Foreman vs. Lyle was slugfest. Liston vs. Williams was slugfest. Ibeabuchi vs. Tua was slugfest. Vitali vs. Sanders was slugfest. Holmes vs. Norton was slugfest. Ali vs. Frazier was slugfest.
They did not reconcile, and that was because Joe Frazier carried his anger and resentment of Ali to his grave. Frazier could never forgive Ali for all of the incredibly cruel insults and taunts that he directed at Frazier when the two fighters were rivals. Ali called him “Uncle Tom”, “big ugly gorilla” and a number of other things. What Ali never seemed to realize was how deeply Frazier was wounded by the insults. For Ali, it was just part of the game. And the resentment that Joe held stemmed from the fact that Ali was worshipped by millions of people around the world. Meanwhile, Joe Frazier never got the respect that he felt he deserved and he did have a legitimate beef. Case in point: his adopted city of Philadelphia commissioned a statue of a fake heavyweight champion from a movie while ignoring the existence of the real life champion they had in Joe Frazier. And something that Frazier said in response to a reporter's question reveals just how bitter he remained some 20 years after he and Ali fought for the third and final time. Ali was chosen to light the Olympic flame for the 1996 Summer Games held in Atlanta and Frazier was asked how he felt about his old rival receiving the honor. Without a moments hesitation, he spat out the following reply: “I hope he falls in”.
After this fight Rocky was full of admiration for Jersey Joe and always said that this was the hardest fight of his entire career. He knew at the end of the fight that he had to knock Joe out to avoid a probable points loss.
Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*
@bobbyd1776 Rocky Marciano defended his title only 6 times. Twice against former Middleweight Ezzard Charles, Once against aging former light heavyweight Archie Moore, Once against the man he took the title from 39 year old Jersey Joe Walcott, Once against Britain's Don Cockell and once against some other fight I don't know the name of. Who were the 43 previous opponents he fought before he won the title and padded up his record ? th-cam.com/video/d85PqloBq68/w-d-xo.html
Jersey Joe dropped him first time knocked on his can, the walk in left. Rocky took flush shots and kept coming. How articulate he was and respectful of Jersey Joe is fun to hear coming from such a savage in the ring. I watched the film in amazement captivated by a bye gone Era an those who lived then. 💪😇
Ali fought both Foreman and Liston, and he said that when it came to George he just had to take the hits and wear big George down, in the case of Liston, he simply did not want to get hit at all. So for Ali it was certainly Sonny that hit harder. Foreman trained with Liston after the Olympics, preparing him for pro boxing. George said Sonny was the only man that had ever pushed him backwards with sheer strength alone. He also said that you were always really careful not to make Sonny mad! I think it is pretty safe to say that Sonny Liston hit harder than George Foreman.
Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*
Louis Walcott Charles Moore had a combined *((480))* fights while little Rocky only had *((49))* ..Well that's *pretty much self-explanatory why he had no losses*
This 4 minute montage has been spliced, diced and edited to show the fights only action throughout 13 rounds. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. Foreman vs. Lyle was slugfest. Liston vs. Williams was slugfest. Ibeabuchi vs. Tua was slugfest. Vitali vs. Sanders was slugfest. Holmes vs. Norton was slugfest. Ali vs. Frazier was slugfest.
All Time Great Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston had not lost for 10 years before Ali, and didn’t lose again for 5 more. Sonny’s only loss before Ali was early in his career when Marty Marshall broke his jaw when Sonny was laughing at him. Liston fought on with a broken jaw, had it broken again in a second place, and yet only lost a split decision. He twice destroyed Marty in rematches.
Sonny was born into a family that couldn't afford for him to go to school, and when the family mule died, his father hitched his 9 year old son to the plow. Why? Simply the history of kids working on the farm. However the story would seem to accentuate the point of how strong Liston was. He grew up with a father that eventually disappeared and a mother who was on and off drugs. He use to hang out in abandoned houses and hide from other people. By the time he was twelve he had been arrested for street robberies and burglary around Brooklyn. He was rescued out of a orphanage/ boys home for juvenile offenders by Cus D’Amato not because he was a shining knight but he could make money off his athletic talent. Liston was a different breed; what a specimen.
Marciano would break a payphone clean off the wall just to retrieve his 10 cents even though he had 30K in his pocket. He was half a bubble off plumb with severe obsessive-compulsive personality disorder *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.*
Any boxer that's on an undefeated 30+ or 40+ fight winning streak (especially during the 50s) has been brilliantly managed and well protected. Italian Mafia soldier Frankie Carbo, the most powerful promoter in boxing, had his leash-n-collar around little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky. 25-0 Marciano fought *F-LEVEL* nobodies until he met 37-0 LaStarza who also fought *F-LEVEL* nobodies. After their fight Marciano continues with more *F-LEVEL* competition bcz his handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat. Little cruiserweight Rocky's next opponent was *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Everybody knew it was a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter. Then there was *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry who had a career record of 71 wins 68 losses. Marciano's 32nd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Keene Simmons who had a career 8 wins 8 losses. Marciano's 33rd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell who had a career 4 wins 17 losses. Marciano's 34th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Art Henri who had a career 13 wins 14 losses. Marciano's 35th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate who had a career 11 wins 14 losses. It's clear as day Mafia Boss Frankie Carbo and his associate Al Weill *padded and cherry-picked* Marciano's resume his entire (but very short) career. Marciano's career motto was: *"Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"* Lewis Watson, the boxing writer and historian, speaks of the artificial puffing up of records against cherry picked competition, saying: *“Unbeaten records are fairly padded; you have to look if there are any notable victories coming against first rate competition."* But But But many Marciano fans say he only defended his title against the #1 ranked contender. Well that's very noble and honorable yet meaningless when those six #1 ranked opponents were "mediocre" at best. *Little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat??? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles, Moore, Walcott, and Louis were in their prime when they fought Marciano???*
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan "One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston "Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis "The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali "My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield "Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier "Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles "Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott "Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore "Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer "Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali "Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza "One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman If that is not respect, I don't know what is
My nephew Billy has explained how good you are and why. Apparently there's a guy by the name of Gregory Rochette that has been harassing people for 10 years. Billy said, "you contain him and put him in his place." I wish you good health and happiness. Carry on.
179lb light heavyweight Rocky's conditioning is another manufactured fallacy and 236lb Ibeabuchi vs. 226lb Tua proved it when they threw a record breaking 1,730 haymakers in only 12 rds. *When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's.* This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step. After the fight Ibeabuchi complained of a headache and was taken to a hospital. He underwent several tests including an MRI scan but nothing abnormal was found and was immediately released. A week after the fight Tua had surgery to remove bone chips from his left elbow. And Ike's in🎃sanity had nothing to do with anything he injested lik-roids, he was too paranoid of medications to take anything illegal. Ike was an anomaly, one in a million. No heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, and he believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils. Unfortunately, here was a very scary man both in and out of the ring. And it’s unfortunate that we’ll never know what could have been. Bob Arum: "I don’t know, but it was the Heavyweight division and people love a puncher, and while he probably couldn’t have made what Mike Tyson made, but he would have been damn close. You know, hundreds of millions of dollars, sure. But again, again, that’s life, that’s life. You have to be a person, you have to be sane, you have to comport yourself with some kind of dignity and some kind of grace in order to realize that type of reward, and he couldn’t do it." 21 months later, 245lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up-and-coming heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was 20-0 with 15 knockouts, only 26 years old .. and he never fought again. Byrd: "I got a little arrogant, thinking I’m unhittable. Cause I just thought, Oh man, he can’t hit me! I’m gonna slip everything. And, boom, just got caught. When I got knocked down the first time, I got, literally, the canvas woke me up. I was asleep before I hit the ground, and when I hit the canvas it woke me up. I asked the referee why he stopped the fight? What are you doing? "The bell rung!" But my bell was still ringing, that’s what was ringing, was my bell." 245lb Ike Ibeabuchi would have been the heir to Lennox Lewis throne. The Klitschko's would have been gate keepers if he was around. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches and had a ridiculous work-rate with KO written all over his punches. *179lb light heavyweight Rocky with 67" flyweight reach gets flattened by the 245lb prodigy Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!* The way Rocky fans go on and on about how he's the best conditioned fighter that ever lived is laughable. So Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Manny Pacquiao, David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi never trained? What a Joke.
By way of comparison undisputed undefeated no°1 p4p bantamweight Naoya Inoue has 67½″ reach, longer than light heavyweight Rocky's 67" reach. Inoue is 5' 5", Rocky 5' 9". Rocky fans continuously try to debate me. What's there to debate? How to magically make Rocky bigger? Throughout his career he only weighed 178 to 186. History cannot be changed. Charles Moore Marciano etcetera were light heavyweights period. As a matter of fact the overwhelming majority of that division was filled with middleweights and/or light heavyweights masquerading as Heavyweights. Perfect example being Harry 'Kid' Matthews who was for the most part a career middleweight. Matthews weighed a mere 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130, and you call that *"Heavyweight"* division? Shouldn't one have to fight topnotch genuine Heavyweights inorder to be respected as an authentic *"Heavyweight"* champion?
Tyson in his prime has never been seen before or since. A combination of incredible speed, skill, and flat out aggression. I recognized sheer mortal danger when i saw it. Dude was terrifying.
Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him." Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."
After his brilliant but erratic welterweight, Vince Foster, had been killed in an auto accident, Jack Hurley, the tall, thin, caustic manager and promoter who has a genius for developing mediocre fighters into rich ones, began snooping around for another boxer. Into his office one day in 1949 walked a skinny middleweight named Harry Matthews, who had won 67 out of 70 fights on the West Coast, had been fighting for 12 years and had succeeded only in getting deep into debt. Hurley agreed to take him on for his usual 50%. Matthews screamed in anguish. "Listen, young man," said Hurley, "you've been boxing for 12 years and you've made exactly nothing. Now, 50% of nothing is nothing. You don't know how lucky you are. What is happening is that you are getting 50% of me." Hurley watched his new gladiator work out and was appalled. "He got all his ideas from amateurs. It's a wonder he hadn't been seriously hurt. His idea of how to defend himself was to grab and run. That's all he knew. But oh, he was such a bad fighter. He couldn't punch, he couldn't take a punch. He was an agony fighter. Looking at a fighter that can't punch is like kissing your mother-in-law." Hurley brought Matthews along slowly and one night put him into the ring with a carefully selected opponent who had had only 12 fights and was too light to cope with Matthews. "I figured Matthews would make his name overnight," says Hurley. "He figured to knock the kid out easy. But it went 10 rounds and nobody got hit, although Matthews wins the decision. The next day Matthews comes into the office, and he says, 'How did you like the fight?' "I says, 'What fight?' "He says, 'Last night.' "I says, 'Harry, that was the most disgraceful thing I ever saw. If you and that kid were to go down to the street corner right now and go through the same antics, that traffic cop wouldn't even come over and break it up." But Hurley has never needed a superfighter; all he needed now was a property, and Matthews, game and willing to learn, was it. The two of them set up shop in Seattle, and Hurley began the great campaign. Traveling the Northwest like a couple of drummers, the soft-punching, glass-chinned Matthews reeled off a dazzling skein of 35 consecutive wins. Hurley explains in detail how the feat was accomplished: *"I made sure he didn't fight any great fighters. I picked 'em mostly by their styles, guys that had styles just right for Matthews. So all his fights appeared to be sensational."* MAY 1961 JACK OLSEN Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume @ lightweight, welterweight, and middleweight moonlighting @ light heavyweight. *Matthews weighed 130 vs. Parks who also weighed 130. Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion???*
It's somewhat surprising that 178 pound Rocky vs. Cardone, Jefferson, Ferron and DiGiorgio didn't fight for the light heavyweight title as well. *He certainly qualified.* Moore was champion of that division and was larger than Rocky. Light heavyweight Charles went to the Heavyweight division bcz he knew the $$$ was there, Marciano did the same. It was easy, no problem bcz there were no prime topnotch genuine 200+lb Heavyweight boxers boxing at that particular time to stop them. Joe Louis was only 6′ 1½″ 213 and he was giant compared to Rocky.. Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67 inches (1.70 meters)--incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". There is no question that light heavyweight Rocky was superbly conditioned by the standards of the day; however, at his average fighting weight of 183 lbs/83kg, between 178 and 188, he was not incredibly lean and he wasn't dehydrated; he was, in other words, a natural light heavyweight.
You believe weight and height are the only decisive factors in a fight? Rocky was a heavyweight because he hit like a heavyweight, not a light heavyweight, perhaps one of the best. Tyson wasn't that big, but we know what he did with much larger fighters. Marciano could knock out any man on earth. Ali said he didn't know if he could beat him. You believe Ali just considered Marciano as a light heavyweight? What's your point? Marciano couldn't fight with heavyweights of today? You are very weong if that's the case.
Both Moore-n-Charles attained their Hall of Fame status for what they accomplished @ Light heavyweight,, Not Heavyweight!!! Y'all really believe it was a glorious feat winning against blown-up Middleweights and Light heavyweights??? Archie Moore had his first fight in 1935 against Billy Sims. His 2nd fight was against "The Kid", a 148lb welterweight. Archie was also 148. Moore eventually moved up to the 160lb middleweight division. He finally attained the 174lb light heavyweight championship after 17yrs in 1952, and he held that belt till 1962. So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15lbs,, lose 5 to 15lbs) the Heavyweight division for 10yrs. Moore had already been fighting professionally for 20yrs with exactly 178 fights before he fought little 184lb cruiserweight Marciano. *Little 184lb cruiserweight Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Louis, Walcott, Charles, Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?*
*"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES."* -- Lennox Lewis *"NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT A TOP-NOTCH SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION."* -- Ring Magazine 179 lb light heavyweight Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Pro boxers can be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:* Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?* *Even little 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky's 5 best opponents, Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0: TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$ *In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine* Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought the light heavyweight?
*Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. Italian Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933 the Mob needed something new. Access to the machinery of boxing, a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia. The Italian mob controlled it all, from the trainers and managers to the reporting journalists, with a combination of intimidation and financial backing ensuring everybody the mob wanted was under their control. The entire eastern seaboard was Italian, it was all Italian. Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian.*
The heavyweight division was weak when Marciano fought but just consider what he was able to accomplish even though he started boxing late in life. He had the heart of a lion and it showed in the first Walcott fight and also in the second Charles fight when his nose was split in half. He was the best conditioned athlete of his time. Ask Archie Moore. He never stopped punching and he could take a good punch. Could he have beaten Sonny Liston, Muhammid Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, and other great fighters of the 60s and beyond? Not likely. Despite that, I think what he accomplished was pretty incredible given his shortcomings. He was a warrior and even Ali admired him for his grit.
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers 76-14-1 with 77% KOs is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 70 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. Ron Lyle and Muhammad Ali ranked Shavers as the hardest puncher they ever faced. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again. So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.” Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. Angelo Dundee said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
Muhammad Ali, "Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard *unrecognizable* folks in Africa." Cosell, "But you think you could have beaten him too?" Ali, "Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas *especially those deceased.* Marciano and I were good friends, *but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him,* probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, *it's just up to the imagination.* Cosell, " You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility." Ali, "Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. *He wasn't as great as me,* wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man *just pretending* and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, *he probably wouldn't...* *that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"* Later though in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Moore, and Charles would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. ((( *Why was the most important part removed?? Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Moore, and Charles would've beat Marciano"!!!* ))) ABC'S WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS {MUHAMMAD ALI VERSUS THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME; DAYTONA 500} Summary: This edition concludes the segment "Muhammad Ali versus the Greatest Heavyweight Champions of All Time" in which Howard Cosell and Muhammad Ali discuss the careers of great boxers. In this final portion, Cosell, with world heavyweight champion Ali at Ali's Deer Lake, Pa., training camp, discusses fight films involving these fighters: Joe Louis, Max Schmeling, Billy Conn, Ezzard Charles, Pat Valentino, and Jersey Joe Walcott. Dave Diles reports with a sports news update on the final lap of the Daytona 500 automobile race as Bill Flemming narrates the tape of the finish. Ali and Cosell resume their discussion of fight films involving the following fighters: Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, and Rocky Marciano. ABC February 15, 1976 Sunday 8½ hrs. (Dave Diles explains the entire 8½ hrs. coverage *@ 1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage* from NascarAllOut) ((( *Moral of the story is so much of what Ali actually said about Rocky has been removed!!! This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!!! Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information!!! The honest truth is Rocky uploaders removed the most important part because it didn't align with their agenda!!! Why not just use Rocky's resume to defend him instead of hiding vital information? Well, because Rocky's resume is utter Horseshirt, that's why!!!* )))
*178 to 186 lb light heavy aka tiny cruiser with tiny 67" flyweight reach Rocky Marciano's resume:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* *Even tiny 67 inch flyweight reach Rocky's 5 best opponents, Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!* IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0: TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$. OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET OF BOXING DURING THE 1950s!!! EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM. THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS. CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT CANNOT EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!! IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL
Floyd Patterson wrote in Victory Over Myself: “I loved Cus, but he was not going to let me fight the best because he was afraid I was going to lose. I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses, and I felt better despite the losses." Ironically, even though he lost to Liston and never regained the title, he is still ranked in the top 20 heavyweights of all time precisely because he fired Cus, and fought real contenders, rolling up a record worthy of the Hall of Fame. After he fired Cus, Floyd faced: Muhammad Ali Sonny Liston Eddie Machen Henry Cooper Jimmy Ellis Oscar Bonavena Jerry Quarry George Chuvalo "'I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses.'" --Floyd Patterson *SOMETHING MARCIANO NEVER DID* Little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky never came close to cleaning out his division like Louis, Liston, Ali and Lennox did. Marciano ducked *Johnson, Baker, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard."* Directly after Patterson beat Moore for the vacant Heavyweight title Cus D'Amato suggested that the return of Rocky Marciano to the ring would be most welcome and would draw "The Greatest Gate in History." Marciano *"'declined'"* --written by Vault | SI 1956 He *"'declined'"* bcz he knew he'd have to confront *Williams, Liston, Clay, Chuvalo, Patterson, Machen, Folley, Valdez, Johansson, Cooper, Miteff, London, Mildenberger, Jones, Terrell, Bonavena, Quarry, Martin and Ellis* just to name a few It says in the book- The Greatest Fights.. That Never Were --by Matthew Bazell that *"Marciano wanted absolutely nothing to do with Floyd Patterson. Marciano was offered 2 MILLION dollars. The Patterson people including Cus wanted that fight so bad. But Marciano wouldn't take it no matter how much he was offered."* (Marciano discusses one of his multi-million dollar offers @ The Marciano Tapes #3)
Leotis Martin vs. Sonny Liston: 2nd to his last fight Liston was KO'd by Martin,,, or was he really KO'd? *When the ref started counting notice how Sonny raises his head and turns it to rest on his forearm. That's not all. After the count of 10 Liston immediately raises himself up with his own two arms then flops himself over onto his back.* Correct?
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by The Ring in 1994. Marciano was named the 7th greatest puncher of all-time by The Ring in 1997. Marciano was named the 9th greatest fighter of the 20th century by The Ring in 1999.
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan "One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston "Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis "The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali "My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield "Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier "Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles "Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott "Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore "Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer "Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali "Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza "One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman If that is not respect, I don't know what is
LITTLE 184-lb CRUISERWEIGHT ROCKY'S OPPOSITION: Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* *Even little cruiserweight Marciano's best three opponents Charles Moore Walcott, ((two light heavyweights and one cruiserweight)) lost ((68)) times and were KO'd ((20)) times!* "In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably." --The Ring
Great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches with KO written all over them...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...a beast in the ring...and class outside of it...put The Rock in with anyone!
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
Marciano proved that height, weight, reach, experience mean absolutely nothing Not only did Rocky's big bones give him the ability to carry more weight, it was the main reason for his tremendous power.
So Marciano threw 100 punches in a round? Lol give me a break. Number one Marciano only weighed 185. So even if he threw 100 punches in a round what would that prove? Why compare a light heavyweight punch numbers to a true-Heavyweight. Only sik-minded fanboys would even try to compare. So Fury, Lewis, Vitali, and Foreman all would have lost if they fought the hyped-up tomato cans little white Marciano fought? Give me a break. LaStarza, Savold, Cockell, and Matthews would be humiliated in the real Heavyweight world. If 42 year old light heavyweight Moore and 38 year old cruiserweight Walcott could drop little white Rocky then the Tyson's, Foreman's, Klitschko's and Ibeabuchi's of the world woulda kilt him. How can a 185 pound man even be considered an ATG Super Heavyweight when he was barely cruiserweight?
"When Sonny was forced to throw the Ali rematch, his reputation and legacy went down with him. A predominantly white, racist media always feared and hated Liston, and were only too happy to humiliate him after that bout, and forget about him almost entirely after he died." -- author Paul Gallender
37yr old Joe Louis had already been fightin *"18yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky. Joe’s speed and power were just a memory. His accuracy and timing were long gone and his reflexes were no longer instinctive. The old 'Brown Bomber' faintly resembled the well-oiled and efficient fighting machine he once was during the late 30’s. He had nothing left offensively but a semblance of his left jab. He was slow of both hand and foot and needed to have his feet set perfectly inorder to get off. His punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights. Joe had nothing left to neutralize Rocky. Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime. And that 8 fight winning streak Joe had, was a predetermined carefully hand-picked set-up. He was only there to pay the IRS. 38/39yr old Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with an abysmal 44% KO's before facing little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky. He definitely was not prime. Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end. Walcott was fighting professionally when Rocky was only *"'SEVEN"'* yrs old. *Cruiserweight Walcott Lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.* Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were definitely behind him as he was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig Disease in 1951. *LH Charles Lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.* 41 or 42yr old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky. Moore was fighting professionally when Rocky was only *"'TWELVE"'* years old. Exactly 95% of his 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruiserweights. *LH Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.* Little 184-lb Cruiserweight Rocky Marciano only fought *"7yrs"* before he abruptly "Quit" during his prime at only 31yrs of age. Rocky was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. Quitting so soon is not only shameful but not fair to all the other boxers that had 15 to 20+ year boxing careers. *If you eliminate his secretive debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" bcz there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Holyoke (Bumsville) was in a circuit of gritty New England cities where ethnic rivalries played out in the boxing rings. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.*
Joe Louis' 8 fight winning streak which helped him become #1 ranked contender before he faced light heavyweight Rocky. Below is the (6) boxers ring-worn and washed (as evidenced by scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights) Louis beat: #1) 196 lb Cesar Brian had an abysmal 36% KO's. Brian's career record of 49 wins 11 losses looks okay until ya see 25 of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians. #2) 191 lb Freddie Beshore had an abysmal 24% KO's. His career record was 28 wins 10 losses. 5' 9" Beshore was on a 4-fight losing streak before he faced Joe. *Why would Joe even consider fighting someone who had just lost 4 fights?* #3) 187 lb Omelio Agramonte. *Oh wow, oh my, i watched their entire fight and Joe looked terrible, absolutely terrible. What was Joe thinking? He should have stayed retired.* Omelio looked as if he only weighed 165 lbs. #4) 194 lb Andy Walker had an abysmal 17% KO's. His career record was 18 wins 20 losses. *It's clear as day what's going on here.* #5) 188 lb Omelio Agramonte -- *Why Twice? We all know why!* #6) 190 lb Lee Savold. Even the announcer said, *"Joe Louis reflexes are but a memory."* These two should have been retired. *They just pushed Louis through towards Marciano so everyone could fill their pockets with $$$.* Savold had a career 45 losses and was KO'd 12 times. #7) 197 lb Cesar Brian -- *Why Twice? We all know why!* #8) 180 lb Jimmy Bivins 5 feet 8.8 inches (1.75 m) light heavyweight Bivins had an abysmal 27% KO's. Yes Jimmy was a Hall of Famer. But he was a Hall of Famer @ light heavyweight, not Heavyweight. *This is the 'Heavyweight' division we're taking about right?* *Talk about bum-of-the-month-club WOW. It was obviously a predetermined carefully hand-picked set-up.* Boxing-elites, Italian-mafioso, and the IRS really needed Joe to be ranked #1 inorder to get their Louis vs. Marciano $$-SHOW-$$. The only loyalty the Italian-mob had was to $$$. Hey, they took 50% of Marciano's earnings and all ticket sales, all in all $2 Million. $2 Million in 1955 is equivalent to $21 Million today. *In May of 1950, the IRS finished a full audit of Louis's past returns and announced, that with interest and penalties, he owed the government more than $500,000. Louis had no choice but to return to the ring. The Louis camp negotiated a deal with the IRS under which 36yr old Louis would come out of retirement, with all his net proceeds going to the IRS. After boxing Joe ended up in the pro wrestling circuit and they still took his money. But that gig finished when Cowboy Rocky Lee lunged onto him with both feet, his boots colliding with Louis' torso. The crash cracked three of his ribs. It left him with a cardiac contusion and officially ended his stint as a wrestler. Children used to send him one dollar in the mail. In his biography he said a child walked up and handed him a dime. When Joe was broken physically and mentally the IRS finally stopped collecting. He lived with friends until he died.*
Probably the most brutal slugfest ever filmed. Marciano is famed for his punching power and relentess pressure. This fight clearly shows that he also had chin of granite. Some of Walcott's shots would have floored a grizzly bear, but Marciano didn't flinch. Incredible stuff.
Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*
Louis Walcott Charles Moore had a combined *((480))* fights while little Rocky only had *((49))* ..Well that's *pretty much self-explanatory why he had no losses*
@@glynhannaford7332 Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times Louis Bravely fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky Quit at *49* Walcott Bravely fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky Quit at *49* Charles Bravely fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky Quit at *49* Moore Bravely fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky Quit at *49* Savold Bravely fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky Quit at *49* Matthews Bravely fought *(103)* times.. .little Rocky Quit at *49* LaStarza Bravely fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky Quit at *49* Cockell Bravely fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky Quit at *49* Lowry Bravely fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky Quit at *49* Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky Only *7* years Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky Only *7* years Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky Only *7* years Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky Only *7* years Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky Only *7* years Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky Only *7* years LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky Only *7* years Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky Only *7* years Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky Only *7* years *Shocking isn't it?? We never se these stats bcz they're always Suppressed.* Imagine if today's Heavyweights Fury & Usyk had losing records lik that?? *Heck,, they'd be thrown under the bus immediately if they only had "'ONE"' loss,, let alone 20 or 30 or 40 or 50 or even 68!!!* *((* If a fighter *today* had *((20))* losses and was KO'd *((6))* times he'd be considered an undercard *F-LEVEL* Journeyman!!! Correct?? OH,, but, but, but it's okay for Jersey Joe Walcott bcz two-faced Marciano fans say it is *))* *HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:* Lewis --------- *2* Holmes ------ *6* Ali -------------- *5* Vitali ----------- *2* Foreman ---- *5* Tyson -------- *6* Wladimir ---- *5* Bowe --------- *1* Liston -------- *4* Louis --------- *3* Holyfield -- *10* Frazier ------- *4* Norton ------- *7* Tunney ------ *1* Dempsey --- 6 Johnson --- 11 *"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- *Lennox Lewis*
"ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano" -- @35:01 Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt *weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS* (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, *Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.*
From the book 'The Real Story Behind the Ali-Liston Fights' -- "'During the first Liston-Ali fight at the Convention Hall in Miami Beach on February 25, 1964, Sonny had a bad left shoulder. He had gone to see Joe Louis' doctor who treated him for bursitis, but there wasn't enough time for the treatment to work. Sonny was around 45 years old at the time which was a well kept secret. His oldest sister wrote he was born 1919 a year after the Great War. He asked the Florida Boxing Commission for a postponement of the fight. He was turned down and fought the six rounds with the damaged left shoulder, which he completely tore up during the fight."' "'In the second fight at St. Dominic’s Hall in Lewiston, Maine, on May 25, 1965 a really bizarre situation developed. According to Gallender, Malcolm X's people had a hit out on Ali (Ali sided with the rival Elijah Muhammad). Elijah's Black Muslims kidnapped Liston's wife and son. Sonny was told to lose the fight to Ali or he would never see his family again! The fight lasted one round with Liston going down from the famous 'Phantom Punch'."' Argh. This incompetent SOB of a referee. *Ali never went to a neutral corner, only then can the count begin.* Worst decision of all time. Obviously Liston's age (20yrs older than Ali) wasn't enough to secure Ali a win. Liston's kids had to be kidnapped by Ali's friends (Nation of Islam). ( Ali undoubtedly won both fights. *It's just nice to understand why and how they were predetermined illegitimate wins* )
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
Zora Folley, then #1 contender for the heavyweight title said when Liston hit him: “The lights went out, when I woke up I asked Sonny what happened and he said 'I hit you"
Number 1 ranked Roland LaStarza: *"His reputation was built on the first Rocky fight. Although he had a long winning streak at the beginning of his career, there are no tough names on his record. After the first Marciano fight he could have forced the issue by meeting top fighters. He refused fights with Charles, Moore, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. Lost and avenged to overstuffed light heavy Dan Bucceroni and to light heavy Rocky Jones and looked terrible against Jones in the rematch. The Jones win and a victory over the faded Rex Layne gave him the credentials to meet Rocky for the title. Look at LaStarza's record there are no names on it except for Marciano. I have the complete film of the Jones rematch and believe me LaStarza looked terrible. LaStarza NEVER fought a dangerous opponent except Marciano and thats a fact if you know any of the fighters from his era. I am not saying that LaStarza was a coward but he (or, excuse me, his management) refused matches with Henry, Charles, Baker, and Archie Moore. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he wouldn't take those matches because he "deserved" a rematch with Marciano and thought he was offered the other matches by the IBC only because they were trying to knock him out of "his rightful shot at Marciano." Boo Hoo Hoo. Real, confident fighters go out and prove they deserve their shot by beating dangerous fighters to force a showdown with a champion."* --Chuck Hasson Boxing Historian and Philly Boxing Founder
"When Sonny gave you the evil eye - I don't care who you were - you shrunk to two feet tall. And one thing more; he could fight like hell. They forget it now, but when Liston was champ, some people thought he was the greatest heavyweight of all time." -- Harold Conrad
This 4 minute montage has been spliced, diced and edited to show the fights only action throughout 13 rounds. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. Foreman vs. Lyle was slugfest. Liston vs. Williams was slugfest. Ibeabuchi vs. Tua was slugfest. Vitali vs. Sanders was slugfest. Holmes vs. Norton was slugfest. Ali vs. Frazier was slugfest.
Those old-school Super Heavyweight champions like 165-lb Fitzsimmons, 175-lb Burns, 181-lb Charles, 182-lb Patterson, and 184-lb Marciano are Gone Finished History. Welcome to the new "SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT" era that little Rocky wouldn't even be sanctioned to enter.
Editing does wonders. Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*
Walcott lost to Middleweights ,, Mays ,, Palmer ,, Ketchell ,, AND Light heavyweights Charles "twice" ,, Fox "twice" ,, Maxim ,, Brothers ,, and Taylor. *Would C-LEVEL Journeyman Joe be a great Heavyweight today?* How could he be when he consistently lost to Middleweights and Light heavyweights?
40 year old C-LEVEL Cruiserweight Journeyman Joe Walcott had already been fighting *"22 years"* with *(68)* fights before facing little 184 lb Rocky. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. *Walcott being granted (6) title attempts in a (5½) year span proves how shallow the division was. And (5) of his title opportunities came immediately after a loss!!!* This is important. Giant Abe Simon put Walcott into retirement for 4 years 4 months and Rocky himself said, *"Walcott was only 90%"* @ 'The Marciano Tapes 3' *Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.* Journeyman Joe's most notable victories include wins over Light heavyweights Charles & Maxim. Combined Charles & Maxim lost *(54)* times. Imagine today's Heavyweights Usyk & Joshua having *(54)* losses? They'd be thrown under the bus for eternity while Walcott continuously gets praised & glorified for his *(20)* losses.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
Riddick Bowe 6' 5" 240 lbs KOs 73% with 81" reach had a career 43 wins 1 loss. At his peak he was an excellent fundamental boxer, had a great chin, power in both hands, could fight inside or out, and would have been a difficult test for any fighter who ever lived. Trainer Eddie Futch said, "Riddick had more untapped potential than any fighter he had ever known." Bowe was the undisputed Heavyweight Champ in 92 and won the Super Heavyweight silver medal @ the 88 Summer Olympics. Riddick is an ATG Hall of Famer. *Prime 'Big Daddy' Bowe manhandles the little 5' 9" 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky as if he were his Daddy!!!*
For seven fights from 2010 to 2014, Floyd "Money" Mayweather, 50-0, made $217 million in guaranteed money, pulling down anywhere from $11 million to $41.5 million guaranteed per fight. He also gets a percentage of everything sold in arenas on fight night, from tickets to hot dogs. When he fought Canelo Alvarez in 2013 for a guaranteed $41.5 million, he reportedly took home more than $80 million. He made $102 million in 2014 alone, more than the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo ($21 million), LeBron James ($42 million) and Roger Federer ($65 million). His motto: *"Love me or hate me, you're gonna watch me."*
LaStarza vs. Layne *(uploader William Walker)* reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. *What an oaf.* LaStarza refused (ducked) fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Bivins, Maxim, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he "wouldn't take those matches because he 'deserved' his rematch with Marciano." ...it's clear as day, Roland LaStarza was a brilliantly managed 'Ducker'!
If 178 to 184 lb tiny cruiser Rocky was *all-Powerful* why didn't he ever break any bones? *He never broke one rib, one nose, one eye-socket, one jaw or detached one retina.* If he did i assure u every Rocky fan would be talking about it!! Right? Marciano catches lightning in a bottle ONE time vs. Walcott and his fans automatically assume he's the most powerful puncher that ever lived. Rocky never had 43 KO's, half were TKO's. Count them. There's a Huge difference between KO's and TKO's. LaStarza and Cockell were still standing, correct? Rocky's entire legacy has been built around that "one" KO against a guy that was at least 40yrs of age, if not older. *Just before Walcott gets KO'd where are both of his hands? They are at waist level. Why? Bcz he's worn out and his reflexes are shot. Father time waits for no one!* Roland LaStarza with all his supposed "Broken Bones" and "Ruptured Blood Vessels" only had minor surgery to remove tiny bone chips from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. Elbow arthroscopy is a minimally invasive procedure. It's a common boxing injury yet y'all act as if both his arms were decapitated. Besides, Roland said, *"I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano."* I have the article. Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: *"Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."* ...So, Rex only sustained *"ONE"* broken tooth!!! This is important. *If all Layne's front teeth were sheared off at the gum's it would have been impossible for Layne to fight Charles exactly 3 months later.* Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slipping and falling on the ice. One broken tooth, what's the big deal?
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD Southpaw 200 lb Cruiserweight Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over Usyk 222 lbs 6'3.2" height 78.2" reach. Holyfield 218 lbs 6'2.5" height 78" reach. Michael Spinks 208 lbs 6' 2.5" height 76" reach. Ali 215 lbs 6'2.5" (passport) height 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 185 lb 5'10" little white Rocky with his famously shortest "ever" 67" inch bantamweight T-rex alligator arm reach. Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission. Y'all white Marciano lovers fail to ever mention Marciano's Forced retirement. Why? Because Marciano couldn't take the pain anymore from two confirmed nose surgeries, hand surgery, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines cause his head was used as a Pinata constantly gettin smacked around,, here,, you hit me five times,, and I'll hit you back one time,, Duh. And all that talk about retiring for his family nonsense was simply a bull•••• publicity stunt because he immediately abandoned his family and left them penniless when he perished. Gypsy King Fury would keep little white Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and bewilder him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and smash out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. He ain't getting the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins. Anyway he chooses.
A closer glance at Joe Louis' 8 fight winning streak which helped him become the #1 ranked contender before he faced little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky Marciano. Below is the "SIX" (6) boxers Louis beat: #1) 196lb Cesar Brian -- Decision -- Brian had an abysmal 36% KO's. Brian's career record of 49 wins 11 losses looks okay until ya see (25) of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians who helped pad his record. #2) 191lb Freddie Beshore -- KO -- 28-10-1 ..5' 9" Freddie had a featherfisted 24% KO's. F-LEVEL Beshore was on a 4-fight losing streak before he faced Joe. *Why would Joe even consider fighting someone who had just lost 5 out of his last 6 fights??* We all know why! #3) 187lb Omelio Agramonte -- Decision -- I watched their entire fight and Joe's combinations were non-existent. Agramonte had a low-power 45% KOs. The announcer said Louis was supposed to fight Charles after the Savold fight but the Louis camp ducked the light heavyweight bcz they knew Joe was washed. #4) 194lb Andy Walker -- TKO -- 17-8-7 Andy was powderpuffer with 17% KO's. His F-LEVEL career record was 18 wins 20 losses. #5) 188lb Omelio Agramonte -- Decision *AGAIN* -- Why Twice??? What happened to much better opponents Baker, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Matthews, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard?? Where did LaStarza and Moore disappear to?? Why not Charles or Walcott again?? We all know why!!! #6) 190lb Lee Savold -- KO -- Savold lost 45 fights and was KOd 12 times. Even the announcer said, "Joe Louis reflexes are but a memory." *These two should have been retired. They just pushed Louis through towards Marciano so everyone could fill their pockets with money.* #7) 197lb Cesar Brian -- Decision *AGAIN* -- Why Twice??? What happened to much better opponents Baker, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Matthews, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard?? Where did LaStarza and Moore disappear to?? Why not Charles or Walcott again?? We all know why!!! #8) 179lb Jimmy Bivins -- Decision - 5' 9" light heavyweight Bivins had 25 losses and was KOd 5 times. He also had an abysmal 27% KO's. Talk about bum-of-the-month-club, WOW. Notice the 5 decisions. A prime 24yr old (1938) Joe Louis would have easily accumulated 8 knockouts against those powder-puffers. It was obviously a predetermined carefully hand-picked set-up. So Joe comes out of retirement and takes the worst beating of his career from 181lb light heavyweight Charles, then he fights 6 stiffs and becomes the #1 ranked contender. Please. What a horrendous weak division. *Boxing-elites, Italian-mafioso, and the IRS really needed Joe to be ranked #1 inorder to get their Louis vs. Marciano $$-SHOW-$$. The only loyalty the Italian-mob had was to money.* Hey, they took 50% of Marciano's earnings and all ticket sales, all in all $2 Million. $2 Million in 1955 is equivalent to $21 Million today. Norris, Carbo, and Weill had complete control over little Rocky and very carefully selected his opposition. *The Louis camp negotiated a deal with the IRS under which he would come out of retirement, with all his net proceeds going to the IRS. After boxing Joe ended up in the pro wrestling circuit and they still took his money. But that gig finished when Cowboy Rocky Lee lunged onto him with both feet, his boots colliding with Louis' torso. The crash cracked three of his ribs. It left him with a cardiac contusion and officially ended his stint as a wrestler. Children used to send him one dollar in the mail. In his biography he said a child walked up and handed him a dime. When Joe was broken physically and mentally the IRS finally stopped collecting. He lived with friends until he died.*
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson. Which was not easy to do in their primes. Michael also beat Heavyweight champion Larry Holmes to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history.. Even Archie Moore himself said, *"Michael Spinks Would Have An Edge Over Ezzard Charles."* -@ Rare Archie Moore Interview LH Charles lost *(25)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times! LH Moore lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times! *LH Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated Hall of Fame All Time Great Michael Spinks 'NEVER LOST'!!!*
Absolutely light heavyweight Rocky Marciano retired because of Sonny Liston! There's no doubt about it, and i have the proof! Here we go, this is important. Rocky's last fight was in Sept 1955, but he officially announced he was quitting April 27, 1956. "On May 5, 1956, a policeman confronted Liston and a friend about a cab parked near Liston's home. Liston assaulted the officer, breaking his knee and gashing his face. He also took his gun. He claimed the officer used racial slurs." There it is. There's the proof. Liston went to jail after Marciano had already decided to QUIT!!! How many hundreds of times have i read that Liston was already in jail when Rocky retired. It was all a lie! Why didn't anyone ever check the dates? I know, I know, Liston was only 14-1 and wasn't even "ranked" when the light heavyweight quit. WRONG!!!! Let me explain: When Sonny began fighting again after his losses to Ali, he won four fights by knockouts, and yet, mysteriously, was still unranked when Ali was stripped in 1967, and the “eight top contenders” were assembled to fight for the title. Included, incredibly, among the eight was Floyd Patterson, who Sonny had KO’d twice in a total of 246 seconds. The always honest Patterson even told reporters Sonny: *"should have been in the tournament, but the media refuses to print anything positive about Sonny.”* Sonny was the most ducked fighter in history, 14 top 150 of all time fighters declined to fight him! Jimmy Ellis was one of the 14 who ducked Sonny, and as to the tournament he won, Sonny was just plain blackballed from taking part in it, even though he certainly deserved to be the top seed. When asked if he would defend against Liston if a big money offer was made, Ellis said, *"NO"* This is very important. It's clear as day what the ranking bodies did to Liston. These guys were all white. And they hated him. They intentionally kept him from being ranked #1 or #2 or #7 or # 9. *They kept him unranked even though they knew he was the best Heavyweight boxer in America even before he started boxing professionally!* 'The Big Bear' already had a huge reputation as being the best fighter in the USA as early as 1953. After Liston was released from prison on October 31, 1952, he captured the Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions on March 6, 1953, with a victory over 1952 Olympic Heavyweight Champion Ed Sanders. Twenty days later Liston captured the Intercity Golden Gloves Championship on March 26. The head coach of the St. Louis Golden Gloves team, Tony Anderson, stated that "Liston was the strongest fighter he had ever seen," *and light heavyweight Rocky knew it.* What Liston accomplished by winning those Golden Gloves tournaments is no different than winning an Olympic gold medal today. *Word travels fast within the boxing communities and every single professional boxer knew who Sonny Liston was in 1953! Forget about the rankings. Liston was the scariest and most feared fighter in the world, and that's exactly why little Rocky retired.* Even Rocky's brother, Peter, admitted Rocky quit bcz, *"losing a fight would be a tremendous embarrassment to him."* -(I have the source)
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
Little 186lb cruiserweight Roland LaStarza's record was 37-0 before he faced little 184lb cruiserweight Marciano. *Honestly it's remarkable that i just so happen to have those awesome 37 journeyman/ham & eggers Rollie fought:* Walter Hafer - 22 wins 26 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jackie Lyons - 32 wins 24 losses with 23% KOs *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Carollo - 36 wins 17 losses with 16% KOs *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Bill Weinberg - 44 wins 22 losses with 34% KOs *D-LEVEL* Gene Gosney - 14 wins 5 losses with 42% KOs *D-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mike Jacobs - 14 wins 16 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mel McKinney - 8 wins 10 losses with 5% KOs *F-LEVEL* Teddy Georges - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Oscar Goode - 43 wins 23 losses with 20% KOs *D-LEVEL* Tony Gangemi - 21 wins 18 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL* Benny Rusk - 20 wins 17 losses with 27% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred McManus - 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* John Holloway - 2 wins 11 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL* Claude McClintock - 1 win 9 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Steve King - 21 wins 11 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy White - 9 wins 17 losses with 11% KOs *F-LEVEL* Frankie Reed - 2 wins 14 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Mike Belluscio - 15 wins 10 losses with 37% KOs *F-LEVEL* Luther McMillan - 13 wins 19 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL* Fred Ramsey - 8 wins 12 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL* Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Lorne McCarthy - 2 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs *F-LEVEL* Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Zeke Brown - 0 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jim Johnson - 3 wins 22 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Dodd - 8 wins 12 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL* Al Zappala - 20 wins 27 losses with 9% KOs *F-LEVEL* Zack Johnson - 3 wins 7 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL* Dave Glanton - 1 win 13 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL* #37) Cesar Brion - 49 wins 11 losses with 36% KOs *C-LEVEL* looks okay until ya *see how many of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians* *WORST 37-0 EVER!!!* "There are so many names from his era conspicuously missing from his record. LaStarza's only claim to fame was having lost a close decision to Marciano. Although he had a long winning streak at the beginning of his career, there are no tough names on his record. After the first Marciano fight he could have forced the issue by meeting top fighters. He refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Bivins, Maxim, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he wouldn't take those matches because he 'deserved' a rematch with Marciano and thought he was offered the other matches by the IBC only because they were trying to knock him out of 'his rightful shot at Marciano.' Boo hoo hoo." *--Chuck Hasson Boxing Historian and Philly Boxing Founder*
Jonathan Eig wrote of Sonny in Ali: A Life: “Liston does not merely defeat his opponents. He breaks them, shames them, haunts them, leaves them flinching from his punches in their dreams."
Why are you just posting irrelevant quotes on a fight between 2 completely different people? Student of sweet science my arse... Student of the CopyPasta is the reality
Marciano fans describe him as being *so fierce* that he practically *killed all 49* of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have these vids *saturated with so much exaggerated nonsense* that it's laughable. *Little 184-lb cruiserweight Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook.* If little cruiserweight Rocky was *all-so-powerful* why didn't he *ever break any bones???* He never broke *one rib,* *one nose,* *one eye-socket,* *one jaw* or *detached one retina.* Exactly *who's bones did he break???* Waiting,, Tic Toc Tic Toc... *""NOBODY""!!!! ""ZERO""!!!!* Roland LaStarza with all his supposed *"Broken Bones"* and *"Ruptured Blood Vessels"* only had to have *'minor'* surgery. Y'all act as if *both his arms were decapitated.* LaStarza simply had *miniscule bone-chips* removed from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. *It is a common boxing injury because everyone blocks punches using their forearms and elbows.* Besides LaStarza said, *"I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano."* I have the *article.* When Roland left boxing he went on to a very lucrative TV acting career. Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: *"Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."* Rex only sustained *"ONE"* broken tooth! He fought Charles exactly 3 months later so what's the big deal??? *Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slippin-n-fallin on the ice.* "He punched out almost every tooth in Rex Lyne's mouth and sent his gum guard into the crowd. It take massive power to do that. If Layne was 6'6 240+ it wouldn't of made any difference." -- *written by a-typical Marciano Fanboy 12 years ago.*
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Two absolute warriors in every sense.A fight like this would be worth billions in today's world.
Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*
Combined Walcott Charles Moore Louis already had 431 fights before they fought Rocky. Add the 96 fights Louis had during his 4 year military service, that's 527 fights not to mention Walcott and Louis retired for 6½ years. Those four were already ring worn and washed. Anyone that says otherwise is biased.
*EZZARD CHARLES WAS 100% FACTUALLY HANDICAPPED WITH LOU GEHRIG'S DISEASE WHEN HE FOUGHT MARCIANO TWICE IN 1954!!!*
Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. If in doubt file defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, his trainers and William Dettloff. (Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).
Muhammad Ali, "Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard *unrecognizable* folks in Africa."
Cosell, "But you think you could have beaten him too?"
Ali, "Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination.
Cosell, " You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."
Ali, "Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"
Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Moore and Charles would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. ((( *Why was the most important part removed?? Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Moore and Charles would've beat Marciano"!!!* )))
ABC'S WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS {MUHAMMAD ALI VERSUS THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME; DAYTONA 500}
Summary: This edition concludes the segment "Muhammad Ali versus the Greatest Heavyweight Champions of All Time" in which Howard Cosell and Muhammad Ali discuss the careers of great boxers. In this final portion, Cosell, with world heavyweight champion Ali at Ali's Deer Lake, Pa., training camp, discusses fight films involving these fighters: Joe Louis, Max Schmeling, Billy Conn, Ezzard Charles, Pat Valentino, and Jersey Joe Walcott. Dave Diles reports with a sports news update on the final lap of the Daytona 500 automobile race as Bill Flemming narrates the tape of the finish. Ali and Cosell resume their discussion of fight films involving the following fighters: Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, and Rocky Marciano. ABC February 15, 1976 Sunday 8 ½ hrs. ((( *Dave Diles explains the entire 8 ½ hrs. coverage @ 1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage from NascarAllOut* )))
((( Moral of the story is so much of what Ali actually said about Rocky has been removed!!! *This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!!!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades!!! The honest truth is Rocky uploaders removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda!!! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano!!!* Why not just use Rocky's resume to defend him instead of hiding vital information? *Well because Rocky's resume is Horseshirt, that's why!!!* Y'all can order copies *@ Archival Television Audio Inc.* just type in Muhammad Ali. 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore Louis Conn.. *"A prime Louis, Walcott, Moore and Charles would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, February 15 1976* )))
1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)*
1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)*
2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1
3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1
4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)*
1947
5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1
6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)*
*1947-03-17 Professional Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, March 1948.*
1948 *(Rocky's back to amateur bouts)*
7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1
8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3
9. February George McInnis TKO-1
10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)*
11. March Fred Fischera KO
12. March George McGinnis W-3
*1948-07-12 Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano. Don Cuoco & Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson bcz once Professional you cannot go back to the amateurs.*
Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........Rocky only *(7)* years
Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........Rocky only *(7)* years
Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...Rocky only *(7)* years
LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....Rocky only *(7)* years
Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
The story of Liston winning the title from Patterson, memorizing a thank-you speech to deliver when he arrived back home (memorized because he couldn’t read) and then realizing nobody was waiting for him at the airport, and how crushed he was... fuckin' sad, man.
Sonny was born into a family that couldn't afford for him to go to school, and when the family mule died, his father hitched his 9 year old son to the plow. Why? Simply the history of kids working on the farm. However the story would seem to accentuate the point of how strong Liston was. He grew up with a father that eventually disappeared and a mother who was on and off drugs. He use to hang out in abandoned houses and hide from other people. By the time he was twelve he had been arrested for street robberies and burglary around Brooklyn. He was rescued out of a orphanage/ boys home for juvenile offenders by Cus D’Amato not because he was a shining knight but he could make money off his athletic talent.
"Liston was a different breed; what a specimen." - Cus D'Amato
Marciano was on a “no-lose” mission to achieving greatness and he did so by simply out-working and out-conditioning all fighting foes. His work ethic was nothing short of remarkably consistent and disciplined: hours of running, gym work, sparring, push-ups and sit-ups, countless medicine-ball thumps to the gut. Marciano was committed to his training regimen. Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think, Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
In between fights, in the normal course of his life from 1947 to 1955, "Rocky would run 6-7 miles a day," his uncle Charlie Piccento said, "he even followed his routine and ran on Christmas mornings and every holiday, including his and his children’s birthdays. He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one."
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan
"One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston
"Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali
"My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson
The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield
"Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer
"Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali
"Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza
"One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman
If that is not respect, I don't know what is.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had ... superhuman.
Rocky is the goat
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
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Chuck Wepner who fought both Liston and Foreman said that compared to Liston, Foreman was Mr. Friendly. He said that getting hit by George was like getting hit by an incredibly strong man, getting hit by Sonny was like getting hit by a baseball bat. Wepner left the ring of the Liston fight looking like he had just been in a horrific car accident. The fight was stopped by ring doctor after the 9th round, Wepner had 6 massive cuts to his face that required the most ever 338 stitches[1] and was pouring blood everywhere, his left eye was swollen completely shut, his cheek as well as nose were broken.
1. Chuck describes his record 338 stitches -- 'Chuck Wepner interview with Tony Polito' @14:20
( Liston expert, Paul Gallender said, "Sonny Liston was killed by the mobsters, with a heroin overdose, because he didn’t throw the Wepner fight")
"His derelictions have been consistent and numerous... I believe this man to be of no value to the army." - Major Richard L. Powell
July 1944 - Gloucestershire, England
Private Rocco Marchegiano poses for a mugshot after his arrest for felony assault and robbery, while serving in the US Army during World War 2.
Rocco, along with another solider named James Murphy robbed two Englishmen and assaulted them. When questioned, Rocco and Murphy claimed to have no knowledge of the incident but after the victims' items were found in their possession they changed their story.
Marchegiano was found guilty and sentenced to 7 years hard labour but this was eventually reduced to 3 years - Rocco however only ended up serving 22 months. Murphy on the other hand was sentenced to 10 years. Rocco received a dishonorable discharge but was allowed to re-join the army for a fixed 12 month period in order to receive an honorable discharge.
*(What stands out is Rocco's ability to go from Dishonorable to Honorable. I served in the USAF and in all my years I've never heard of that happening before!)*
Nino Valdes, as he lay dying from cancer, drugged heavily with morphine, was asked by his family if it hurt, and said: “Not as bad as getting hit by Sonny Liston!"
Don't let anyone tell you different, Marciano faced some very formidable hall of fame opponents. Walcott and Charles were not washed up when they fought him. They both fought the first fight brilliantly. While Rocky stopped the old mongoose it was a grueling fight. At first Moore seemed the better boxer but the Blockbuster would not be stopped. His incredible conditioning and brutal punching were all to much for Archie. Rocky defined what the heart of a champion is in this fight.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said, "after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning."
"A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise..." Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
The way Rocky throws punches from every conceivable point on the compass is not only fun to watch but inspiring. He was a perpetual motion punching machine that ground his opponents down like a hydraulic drill attacking a boulder.
Why do so many judge Rocky Marciano unfairly? He only had 12 amateur bouts and didn't turn pro till 24 years of age. Using Ali as a comparison, he had 180 amateur fights and turned pro at 18. What Rocky accomplished is astonishing in my opinion.
In between fights, in the normal course of his life from 1947 to 1955, "Rocky would run 6-7 miles a day," his uncle Charlie Piccento said, "he even followed his routine and ran on Christmas mornings and every holiday, including his and his children’s birthdays. He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one."
Marciano boarded a small Cessna 172 with pilot Glenn Belz, and Frank Farrell, the son of Louis Thomas Fratto, born Luigi Tommaso Giuseppe Fratto, also known as "Lew Farrell" and "Cock-eyed", an American labor racketeer and organized crime figure in Chicago, Illinois, and Des Moines, Iowa, from the 1930s to his death in 1967. A massive storm system challenged Belz's relative inexperience (231 hours of total flight time) as the plane flew west from Chicago over Iowa. Trying to land at a small airfield outside Newton, Belz crashed the plane into a tree about two miles short of the intended runway. On August 31, 1969, all aboard, including Marciano, died on impact. It was all Rocky's fault, he pressured the amateur pilot into flying even though he knew they were headed towards severe thunderstorms. Why? What was so important in Des Moines? His business was loansharking and he was in a hurry to collect 35K which is equivalent to 293K today. He was in a hurry because he didn't want to be late to his birthday (Sept. 1st) party the next day in Florida.
wow nice piece of history there
During his retirement speech, and during his appearance on the Ed Sullivan show Rocky said, *"I want to spend more time with my family."* Instead, he immediately abandoned his kids and wife to sleep with thousands and left them penniless, *@ THE ROCK - Sports Illustrated Aug 23, 1993*
you must be real fun at parties
"my left eye went when i was young. i was working the speed bag and some steel went in the eye and scratched it to pieces. i was blind in that eye. some doctors were my best friends. we sheltered the story and kept it a quiet. and i learnt the eye-chart by heart." -- joe frazier
Unbeaten is the story of an immigrant son who chased the American dream in the middle of the 20th Century *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.* Rocky Marciano’s story unfolds in the back alleys of New England and the musty gyms of New York in the years after World War 2. He moved through a romantic era of guys and dolls, hustlers and gamblers, crusty trainers and sleazy managers, glamorous celebrities and notorious mobsters.
What I knew about the undefeated 184 lb cruiserweight champ before I read the book 'Unbeaten' was that he quit during his prime right before he would have had to face the likes of Cleveland Williams, Floyd Patterson and Sonny Liston just to name a few. I did not know about his conduct during World War 2 that got him locked for two years for felony assault and robbery.
Nor did i realize that his list of opponents while he was champ were of dubious quality, boxers who were on the way down like Louis and Walcott. Light heavyweight Moore was 41 if not older and light heavyweight Charles had Lou Gehrig's disease.
For the last decade of his life Marciano wandered America, disillusioned, untrusting, hiding his money, cheating on his wife, consorting with the mobsters and loansharking. He hung around with Frank Sinatra and a number of "made guys."
Marciano was not a good businessperson and was lousy with investing and saving money. He left his family penniless. Again his boxing record is offset by the low level of his opponents.
He died relatively young in a plane crash due to his complete and utter disregard of intentionally flying during horrible weather conditions inorder to collect money.
damn i like Rocky even more now!
Liston was the most powerful intimidating Heavyweight ever. He never gets enough credit bcz of the two Ali fights which were dubious to say the least. Ali was seen as the bright new future, and Sonny was forced to step aside, and then found dead in really suspicious circumstances when he might "talk" about the deceit. His life story is better than any fiction novel, he deserves more respect than he gets. Before the first Clay fight Joe Louis told Sonny that he was going to bet on him. *"Joe, save your money,"* Sonny said....Now , that's something to think about. It's in Liston's biography.
Rocky was relentless and fought with brutal fury.....a champions desire to win at all costs.....and the perfect gentleman outside of the ring.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the goat.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
@bobbyd1776bumciano went life and death with guys with 20 losses. even wilder fought better comp and still has better ko ratio and double his first round ko’s. tomato crusher ciano
Marciano's monastic monk like year round daily runs and 3 to 5 month preparation per fight was unprecedented. Never seeking refuge in a clinch and couldn't be hurt he broke spirits. Rocky beat them up, rearranged their bone structure and knocked them out.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said, "after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning."
Undefeated. Unbeatable. The greatest, ever. That was Rocky Marciano (1923-1969), the only Heavyweight in boxing history who ended his career with no defeats: 49 fights won, including 43 by knockout. Rocky bludgeoned every top Heavyweight of his era before leaving professional boxing in 1956.
Rocky Marciano's legacy is not that he was just undefeated, but how he was undefeated. He overcame cuts, knockdowns, trailing late in fights, and more. His will is unquestioned. When you look at the greatest heavyweights to ever reign over the most prestigious title in all of sports, the greats are near-mythical figures that would give everything to win, men that had an indomitable spirit to go along with skill. When you think of guys like that, you think of Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield and yes, Rocky Marciano, who undoubtedly etched his name among them. So let the revisionist run their mouths about how he was too short, how he was just a brawler, how his competition was weak etc. In the end, no other heavyweight champion has ever retired undefeated and I doubt anyone else ever will. The one-man that did it is always standing and his name is Rocky Marciano!
Don't let anyone tell you different, Marciano faced some very formidable hall of fame opponents. Walcott and Charles were not washed up when they fought him. They both fought the first fight brilliantly. While Rocky stopped the old mongoose it was a grueling fight. At first Moore seemed the better boxer but the Blockbuster would not be stopped. His incredible conditioning and brutal punching were all to much for Archie. Rocky defined what the heart of a champion is in this fight.
Rocky was almost as popular as the President and so many sports writers across America was printing information about him during his championship years. Some of that material is rare and great sources of authentic information.
Rocky Marciano: The 13th Candle
Rocky Marciano: Training And Meal Of Great Champion
The Rocky Marciano Story - 1954
Rocky Marciano's Book of Boxing and Bodybuilding
Rocky Marciano: The Winner !
This Guy Marciano
Rocky Marciano: A Life Story
Rocky Marciano: Undefeated Heavyweight Champion Of The World
Rocky: The Story Of A Champion
Undefeated: Rocky Marciano The Fighter Who Refused To Lose
Rocky Marciano: The Brockton Blockbuster
Rocky Marciano: The Immortal Champion
Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times
Rocky Marciano: Biography Of A First Son
Unbeaten
And much more through boxing magazines, newspaper articles, 1952 LIFE magazine, 1955 Sports Illustrated, etcetera.
I stand by the "5 pounds" built into his combat boots only through his early training years at the park next to his mother/father's house. When his training became more advanced he ran in Converse black-and-white version of the All Star tennis shoes.
I loved Rocky Marciano's response when someone asked him what he was thinking when Walcott knocked him down in their first fight: "Gee, this fellow hits hard. I might have to get up a couple of times before I knock him out."
It's been 70 years and Marciano's 49-0 with 43 knockouts is chiseled into 'Granite' for eternity regardless what folks write, say or think.
Rocky Marciano's legacy is not that he was just undefeated, but how he was undefeated. He overcame cuts, knockdowns, trailing late in fights, and more. His will is unquestioned. When you look at the greatest Heavyweights to ever reign over the most prestigious title in all of sports, the greats are near-mythical figures that would give everything to win, men that had an indomitable spirit to go along with skill. When you think of guys like that, you think of Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield and yes, Rocky Marciano, who undoubtedly etched his name among them. So let the revisionist run their mouths about how he was too short, how he was just a brawler, how his competition was weak etc. In the end, no other Heavyweight champion has ever retired undefeated and I doubt anyone else ever will. The one-man that did it is always standing and his name is Rocky Marciano!
@@Sara_Sky_Suttoni dont think he ever took a backward step hard as they come. Could take a merciless onslaught . But could dish out as well.
The best and toughest a role model
Consider that in December 1962 Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts it was Jack Dempsey that was rated the # 1 Heavyweight of all time with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano finishing a distant 7th, way behind Dempsey. If he was considered 7th in 1962 how does he propel to the top 4, when since then we have had Muhammad Ali who faced much tougher competition, the big power hitting George Foreman, Larry Holmes who made 20 title defenses, the bigger, faster and more powerful Mike Tyson, and the giant Lennox Lewis who at 6’5” 245 pounds would enjoy a 60 pound weight advantage over Marciano?
This is a key point. 'Mr Boxing' himself, Nat Fleischer rated Marciano at # 10, Boxing historians Herb Goldman and Charley Rose rated Marciano at # 8 and John McCallum's Survey of Old Timers (historians and writers) had him at # 9. No major historian who saw Marciano in their lifetime thought he was a top 7 all time Heavyweight and 68 years have passed since Rocky retired.
EXPLAIN HOW LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT ROCKY GOES FROM 7TH PLACE DURING THE 60s AND 70s TO TOP 4 SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT IN 2024?
Bcz his ranking is determined by modern computer metric algorithms. Problem is this man-made program was coded to exclude "WEIGHT" from the equation. That's why 165 pound 'Heavyweight' champion Bob Fitzsimmons from the 1800s is ranked ahead of giant Riddick Bowe.
Even though ranking bodies exclude "WEIGHT" from their metric, they STILL ACKNOWLEDGE (18) EIGHTEEN DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES,, imagine that?
'AGE' is another code omitted from the metric. Algorithms cannot see Moore was at least 42 and Walcott was at least 40. Algorithms cannot see Charles/Moore were light heavyweights and Joe Louis's reflexes were completely shot. The Algorithms only acknowledge Marciano fought 4 (washed) Hall of Famers and went 49-0. And that's exactly why the little light heavy aka tiny cruiser is ranked ahead of dozens of topnotch genuine Super Heavyweights!
We get it. You think hes over rated
According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength. --by Mike Stanton and Fight City
Rocky Marciano said of Liston: “He isn't faking his toughness, and his strength is just something you got to see, and that jab, he can knock a man out with the jab!" When asked how he would have fought him, the Rock shook his head and said “I’d have done my best, but Lord God he is strong…”
Thundering fists, bloodied gloves, sweltering heat and a chant that would build and erupt: rocky, Rocky, ROCKY! He earned his 49-0 with raw intensity, rainmaker hooks and spring-loaded uppercuts. Marciano was relentless and tougher than a coffin nail.
In Undefeated: Rocky Marciano - The Fighter Who Refused to Lose By Everett Skehan, it is documented that Rocky refused to take phone calls in camp. He didn’t want radios, (It was before the widespread use of television) or newspapers, or discussions about anything except boxing and training. He had no contact with his family or anyone in the outside world. He was there solely to train from before sunup to after sunset.
Ben Bently, Rocky's press agent, said after signing for a fight he would increase his running in the morning to 9-10 miles. And then the last week before a fight he would increase his running to 12-15 miles in the mornings. EVERY morning.
In camp, he would run in the morning, and fast walk another 10 miles at night.
He also did wind sprints during the day. He liked to run short distances, a couple of hundred yards, up a hill in training as fast as he could, and then run back down facing backwards. And then he repeated over and over until he was exhausted.
He used a speed bag but not like anyone else does or did, he would hit it with hooks and slow power shots to work on his accuracy.
He trained using a custom made 300 pound heavy bag.
He would power clean a giant rock and toss it forward with both hands (the rock weighed over a hundred pounds).
He did crunches that combined kicking a heavy medicine ball out to the trainer
He believed in calisthenics, and did up to several hours worth in addition to everything else.
Several days a week Rocky went shoulder deep in a swimming pool and threw hundreds of underwater punches for up to an hour.
And then, in the late afternoon, Rocky would spar.
Rocky literally trained every day from before sunup, to after sundown. So he could do 15 rounds.
No science based training today could match Rocky’s old time regimen for intensity, or his old time trainer, Charlie Goldman for knowledge. There isn’t a trainer today capable of taking Rocky Marciano and making him undisputed champion.
There is a price for that toughness and peerless conditioning. Rocky had to train year round, and he trained in between fights harder than most fighters train in camp.
Rocky said after the Lester amateur fight: "I will never be outworked again.”
And he wasn’t.
Rocky Marciano summed up his philosophy simply:
“Greatness is getting up when you go down, and keeping on when you think you can’t. Greatness is winning when nobody thinks you will, or fighting on when you know you are going to lose, but you can’t give up.”
And that will, that ferocious desire to win, those hours, days, months, 8 straight years of training every day, is what made Rocky Marciano a Champion when he was always smaller, usually slower, and with less reach.
"A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise..." Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
There are some who never give up. There is nothing to do, they do not go down. And if they go down, they get up. You will always find them before you, maybe staggering, blood-filled, ready to step on. Sport teaches you cannot always win... They do not care, do not believe that, and always win: with a broken nose, with closed eye, a blood-red mouth. Rocky was like this. Rough, wild, fearless. His straight right punch was equivalent to a 9th grade richter. His left hook punch was an electroshock. He was not there to lose. An invincible.
Marciano was on a “no-lose” mission to achieving greatness and he did so by simply out-working and out-conditioning all fighting foes. His work ethic was nothing short of remarkably consistent and disciplined: hours of running, gym work, sparring, push-ups and sit-ups, countless medicine-ball thumps to the gut. Marciano was committed to his training regimen. Rocky is also remembered and honored for his class as an individual, not only his 49-0. He never boasted or ridiculed his opponents. Regardless what others may think, Rocky Marciano was a great champion.
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Rocky was a never ending onslaught of cardiovascular brutality. He had a chin that allowed him to exchange and let him set his feet to put guys under. He also had some of the sneakiest footwork and underrated defenses the sport has seen.
"A hammer instead of a fist, a powerful neck, a fighter's rage. He beat his adversary to blood, then hugged him. A boxing style from the working class, all sweat, no paradise..." Rocky Marciano, was the only athlete in the history of heavyweight boxing to retire undefeated.
In between fights, in the normal course of his life from 1947 to 1955, "Rocky would run 6-7 miles a day," his uncle Charlie Piccento said, "he even followed his routine and ran on Christmas mornings and every holiday, including his and his children’s birthdays. He never missed a day during his 8 year career, not one."
There wasn't much defense in this fight. Later in his career he developed a defensive style but here he just caught punches and gutted it out
Footwook!? 😂 There was no "footwork" in this video. They just stood there and traded blows. Old school savagery. Those flat nose boxers were insane.
There will never be another Rocky. Not ever.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the best.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
@@Alien_Observer_LV-426hai finito di dire cazzate 😂😂😂
"Joe Louis was the biggest name on Marciano’s resume, but he was 37 years old and had lost much. By the time of their fight the once legendary Louis had long since lost his once devastating punch” as Nat Fleischer wrote, "Louis depended greatly on speed, timing and sense of distance for his hitting power. His lost reflexes robbed him of his explosiveness and therefore his punching power."
George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"
You do know Ali dismantled Liston, right?
@johnhatchel9681 He does not know anything, he is a fool.
Hall of Famer Teddy Brenner who later became president of Madison Square Garden Boxing said, *“Carbo had his fingers on the throat of boxing. If he did not own a certain fighter he owned the manager. Weill was a boxing politician who held hands with the mob. When Weill was Marciano’s manager he was controlled by Carbo. In May 1949 Weill became the matchmaker for the IBC. That meant Marciano could fight against carefully chosen opponents when and where Weill wanted. When the IBC took over promotion at Madison Square Garden, Brenner returned there to work as assistant matchmaker to Al Weill. Brenner booked preliminary matches at the Garden and cards at St. Nicholas Arena, also in New York. In 1950, Brenner left the IBC, alleging Weill had ordered him to make a match for a fixed fight. Eventually the verdict was damning; 25 years in Alcatraz for Carbo, 15 years in prison for Palermo. Marciano visited both inside their prison cells numerous times."* -- written by International Boxing Hall Of Fame
I'll bet you could have easily beat the piss out of Marciano!
For two decades the Marciano's have been trying to remove this article *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993* but cannot because it's all factual. Many defamation lawsuits have been filed but all failed. Rocky was seriously messed up. He caused his own demise through his insatiable desire for sex and money.
"Nobody hit those bags like Sonny. He tore bags up. He could turn that hook, put everything behind it. Turn and snap. Bam! Why, he could knock you across the room with a jab. I saw him knock guys out with a straight jab. Bam! In the ring, Sonny was a killing machine." -- Johnny Tacco
Sports Illustrated writer Tex Maule wrote that Liston's shoulder injury was legitimate. He cited medical evidence: "A team of eight doctors inspected Liston's arm at St. Francis Hospital in Miami Beach and agreed that it was too badly damaged for Liston to continue fighting. The torn tendon had bled down into the mass of the biceps, swelling and numbing the arm." --Those findings were confirmed in a formal investigation immediately after the fight by Florida State Attorney Richard Gerstein, who also noted that there was little doubt that Liston went into the fight with a lame shoulder.
ROCKY MARCIANO......49-0......43 KO'd
tough...powerful...resilient...heart...will...desire...the best
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the best.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
@@Bobby.D.1776 You are black David Frost
When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's.
This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step.
After the fight Ibeabuchi complained of a headache and was taken to a hospital. He underwent several tests including an MRI scan but nothing abnormal was found and was immediately released. A week after the fight Tua had surgery to remove bone chips from his left elbow.
And Ike's in🎃sanity had nothing to do with anything he injested lik-roids, he was too paranoid of medications to take anything illegal. Ike was an anomaly, one in a million.
No heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, and he believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils. Unfortunately, here was a very scary man both in and out of the ring. And it’s unfortunate that we’ll never know what could have been.
Bob Arum: "I don’t know, but it was the Heavyweight division and people love a puncher, and while he probably couldn’t have made what Mike Tyson made, but he would have been damn close. You know, hundreds of millions of dollars, sure. But again, again, that’s life, that’s life. You have to be a person, you have to be sane, you have to comport yourself with some kind of dignity and some kind of grace in order to realize that type of reward, and he couldn’t do it."
21 months later, 245lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up-and-coming heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was 20-0 with 15 knockouts, only 26 years old .. and he never fought again.
Byrd: "I got a little arrogant, thinking I’m unhittable. Cause I just thought, Oh man, he can’t hit me! I’m gonna slip everything. And, boom, just got caught. When I got knocked down the first time, I got, literally, the canvas woke me up. I was asleep before I hit the ground, and when I hit the canvas it woke me up. I asked the referee why he stopped the fight? What are you doing? "The bell rung!" But my bell was still ringing, that’s what was ringing, was my bell."
245lb Ike Ibeabuchi would have been the heir to Lennox Lewis throne. The Klitschko's would have been gate keepers if he was around. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches and had a ridiculous work-rate with KO written all over his punches.
*Little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky Marciano gets flattened by the 245lb prodigy Ike Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not even debatable!*
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Damn, that was a brawl. Two of the greatest fighters to ever throw a glove.
Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 Rex Layne. Ezzard Charles. Joe Louis.
You left them out. The fact that you did shows your comment is false and based on a lack of facts.
There, I disproved your comment in a paragraph that takes 15 seconds to read. Cry about it.
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 Oh, and not to mention the fact, Rocky's nose was literally SPLIT IN HALF by Ezzard Charles, and Rocky was never knocked out once in his career. He was only knocked down a couple times. And in that fight, Rocky still knocked out Charles in the 8th round.
Keep spamming your web of lies and lack of facts all over these Marciano videos, boy. You're only making yourself look ignorant.
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16Breath some air, touch some grass, smoke some good stuff.
Your hate is talking over yiur brain
*C-LEVEL Journeyman Walcott lost to Middleweights Mays ,, Palmer ,, Ketchell ,, and to Light heavyweights Charles x2 ,, Fox x2 ,, Maxim ,, Brothers ,, Taylor.. In summary Walcott consistently lost to Middleweights and Light heavyweights!!! Overall he lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times!!!*
He was a high-school dropout who worked a series of dead-end jobs - delivering coal, laboring in factories making candy, beverages, and shoes, slinging hash in a diner, digging ditches, clearing land, and fixing sidewalks. But Marciano had two world-class skills. He could absorb a frightful beating, and he could knock men out cold. “I was a nobody,” he was fond of saying. “In the ring, I became a somebody."
Marciano was single-mindedly determined to succeed. “I’ve been in this boxing business fifty years, and I’ve never seen anyone like you yet,” Goldman told the fighter after he became champion. “Work. Work. Work. Train. Train. Train. Sometimes I suspect you’re not even human.” Marciano’s work ethic and indomitable will to win were the key elements of his rise, along with a final ingredient, the only one supplied by nature: a right-hand punch that put even superior boxers to sleep.
Rocky was a never ending onslaught of cardiovascular brutality. He had a chin that allowed him to exchange and let him set his feet to put guys under. He also had some of the sneakiest footwork and underrated defenses the sport has seen.
Brilliant comment! Truly inspiring.
Siempre Fué "Alguien".!
Solo Que, Un Dia Simplemente Encontró "Su Pasión En Un Deporte Muy Popular"; Donde Brilló Como "Muy Pocos" En La Historia, y
Cuyo Legado Boxístico...
Roza "El Mito".!!!
Ali scored *164-points,* Louis scored *138,* Wladimir *136,* Lennox *111,* Holyfield *109,* Holmes *88,* Foreman *86,* Frazier *84,* Tyson *77.* Ali is the only Heavyweight Champion with an *A+ LEVEL.*
Keep in mind that *C-LEVEL* is an average fighter that still has an outside chance of winning a Heavyweight title similar to Charles Martin and Leon Spinks. *D* and *F-LEVEL* boxers have very slim to no chance.
Rex Layne - 50 wins 17 losses with an abysmal 48% KOs *C-LEVEL.* Layne scores an extremely low *15-points* for his top-10 yearly annual ranked appearances throughout his career. Who did he beat?? His best win was against Walcott but *everybody beat Jersey Joe so no biggie.*
Jersey Joe Walcott - 49 wins 20 losses with an abysmal 44% KOs *C-LEVEL.* Walcott only scores *55-points* for his top-10 rankings. Walcott fought for the title *6* times and lost *5* times. He's more famous for his losses than his wins. *The fact that Walcott was granted 6 title attempts in a 6 year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division must have been at this time. ""Five"" of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!*
Archie Moore - 186 wins 23 losses with a low-power 60% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *C-LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Moore accumulated *156-points* at light heavyweight and only *21* at Heavyweight. Moore misses his *A+ LEVEL* at Light heavyweight bcz *(23)* losses is *too many!*
Ali only had *5* losses, Louis only had *3,* Lennox had *2,* Wladimir had *5,* Liston had *4,* Vitali had *2,* Bowe had *1* etc. BUT BUT Moore had 220 Fights!!! Well Marciano only had *49* so stop whining.
Ezzard Charles - 95 wins 25 losses with the lowest ever 42% KOs *A-LEVEL* at light heavyweight and *B-minus LEVEL* at Heavyweight. Charles only compiled *24 points* at light heavyweight and *59 points* at Heavyweight. *Too many losses.* Fight *4* fights lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1,* fight *4* lose *1.*
Y'all act as if *(25)* losses are Meaningless. If Fury or Usyk has only *(1)* loss they'd be thrown under the bus for eternity just lik' Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG Light Heavyweight Champion Michael Spinks was!!!
Oh dear,, almost forgot little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky Marciano's 49 wins 0 losses with an astonishing 87.76% KOs. Why?? Why such remarkable numbers??? *It's easy to figure out when compared to Archie Moore's 220-fight Total-!!!!* Marciano only scored a mere *48-points* due to his remarkably short career!!! Marciano is *B-plus or A-minus LEVEL* for his weak competition and lack of points (48) due to his short 7yr career.
(Check it out @ Top 10 Heavyweights & Light Heavyweights frm Rummy's Corner.. Also @ The Ring Magazines Annual Ratings)
The Marciano Tapes #6 @3:40 Marciano confesses Carmine Vingo hit the back of his head on the plywood flooring. *He said, "it so happened that Vingo hit his head on the flooring, and it sent him unconscious. He was paralyzed a little bit in his fingers and hands. There was a change in the ruling, from then on padding was put on the ring of the flooring."* Rocky's manager Al Weill said the same thing in Marciano's biography 'Unbeaten', *"Vingo hit his head on the flooring, then he went unconscious."*
So after all this time it was the plywood flooring that partially paralyzed Vingo, not Marciano's punch. It's no wonder *Vingo said, "I WAS SLAUGHTERED FOR A CROWD" --source: The Saturday Evening Post by Carmine Vingo as told by Seymour Shubin*
Nobody knows how that particular ring in 1949 was actually constructed at that particular venue. Regardless of the flooring, Vingo *tooth-pick* Bingo was 6' 4" 189 lbs with an abysmal 38% KO's. A closer look at-is 18 opponents:
#1) Vingo 188¼ vs. Barney Metten 192¾ lbs CAREER *6 wins 3 losses* with 44% KO's. *F-LEVEL*
#2) Vingo 187 lbs vs. Fred Ramsey 186 lbs CAREER *8 wins 12 losses* with 28% KO's. *F-LEVEL*
#3) Vingo 190 lbs vs. Earl Turner 198 lbs CAREER *2 wins 21 losses* with *0%* KO's. *F-LEVEL..* Turner's only purpose was *Paddin Records!*
#4) Vingo 190 lbs vs. George Washington 187 lbs CAREER *12 wins 33 losses* with 17% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* Another *Paid Diver!*
#5) Vingo 194½ lbs vs. Joe Lindsay 182½ lbs CAREER *28 wins 7 losses* with 29% KO's. *C-LEVEL..* Vingo *""LOSES""*
#6) Vingo 194 lbs vs. Freddie McManus 179½ lbs CAREER *18 wins 19 losses* with 7% KO's. *F-LEVEL*
#7) Vingo 197 lbs vs. Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER *9 wins 15 losses* with 4% KO's. *F-LEVEL*
#8) Vingo 192 lbs vs. Jimmy Walls 189½ lbs CAREER *20 wins 41 losses* with 8% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* *Another Diver!*
#9) Vingo 189½ lbs vs. Tommy DiGiorgio 183½ lbs CAREER *9 wins 15 losses* with 4% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* SECOND time Vingo fights this guy. *Why???*
#10) Vingo 188 lbs vs. Johnny Williams 183 lbs CAREER *2 wins 13 losses* with 6% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* This isn't even boxing anymore. It's charity for the homeless.
#11) Vingo 188 lbs vs. Don Mogard 191¼ lbs CAREER *20 wins 16 losses* with 15% KO's. *F-LEVEL*
#12) Vingo 195 lbs vs. Freddie McManus 178 lbs CAREER *18 wins 19 losses* with 7% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* SECOND time Vingo fights this guy. *Why???*
#13) Vingo 195 lbs vs. Ernie Conyer 191½ lbs CAREER *5 wins 9 losses* with 21% KO's. *F-LEVEL*
#14) Vingo 185 lbs vs. Ernie Conyer 187½ lbs CAREER *5 wins 9 losses* with 21% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* SECOND time Vingo fights this guy. *Why???*
#15) Vingo 188½ lbs vs. Joe Modzele 183 lbs CAREER *18 wins 8 losses* with 26% KO's. *D to F-LEVEL..* Light heavyweights moonlighting as Heavyweights were obviously dime a dozen back then.
#16) Vingo 192½ lbs vs George Washington 189 lbs CAREER *12 wins 33 losses.* with 17% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* SECOND time Vingo fights this *Diver.* Vingo fought *"FOUR"* opponents *"TWICE"* within (16) bouts. *Why???* The majority of his opponents have Losing records. *Why???* This is all to reminiscent of Roland LaStarza's opponents. This isn't even funny anymore. It's downright shameful.
#17) Vingo 193 lbs vs Al Robinson 193 lbs CAREER *0 wins 5 losses* with 0% KO's. *F-LEVEL..* Vingo actually fights a *debuting 0-0-0 amateur* just before he faces little Rocky. *Why???*
#18) Vingo 189 lbs vs Rocky Marciano 180¼ lbs CAREER *49 wins 0 losses* with 87.76% KO's. *B-LEVEL..* Vingo was completely outclassed and never had a chance from the get-go. I saw their Getty Museum pics and Marciano didn't have a single mark on his face,, his eyes were wide open and clear.
*((* All this time i was mislead into believing that Vingo was this twenty year old superstar being prepped to become the next Heavyweight champ. Instead he was prepped for *SLAUGHTER JUST TO PLEASE A CROWD* --Carmine Vingo *))*
[[ *WHAT THEY DID TO VINGO WAS A TRAVESTY!!!* ]]
Kind, respectful, gentleman, outside the ring. Savage, unstoppable beast, inside it.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the best.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
What a partonizing load of sh*#...a real informed boxing fan are you ? These were two men who despite their lack of puglitic skill would demolish many in their devisions today ... @@Alien_Observer_LV-426
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
"Sonny Liston stood up to me and actually made me give ground. No one has ever done that to me before or since." -- George Foreman
BoxRec has officially lists these Rocky Marciano opponents as *'middleweights'* and *'light'* heavyweights:
Eddie Ross - division *"Middleweight"*
Harry Bilazarian - division *"Middleweight"*
Archie Moore - division *"Light heavy"*
Harry Matthews - division *"Light heavy"*
Harry Haft - division *"Light heavy"*
Ted Lowry - division *"Light heavy"*
Willis Applegate - division *"Light heavy"*
Bob Jefferson - division *"Light heavy"*
Ezzard Charles - division *"Light heavy"*
Apparently after 23 years BoxRec recently changed Ezzard Charles's division classification to *"heavy"* several days ago. It don't matter if they change it to the *"Super-Heavy"* division bcz he still weighed a mere *181-lbs* when he won his title and there is nothing BoxRec or anyone can do or say to change that Fact!
Marciano's small era was a huge contributing factor towards the Cruiserweight division being created. *There comes a point the size disparity becomes a bridge too far even for outstanding smaller boxers.*
Did the Klitschko brothers, Lennox Lewis and Mike Tyson have the luxury of fightin middleweights and light heavyweights???
*Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight champion???*
"Of all the men I fought in boxing, Sonny Liston was the scariest." -- Muhammad Ali
"He's the meanest fighter that ever lived. No one's more intimidating. Not even myself." -- Mike Tyson
"Liston compares favorably with any of the heavyweights of the past. Any of them. When somebody asks me, How does Liston compare with Joe Louis?' I have to stop and think. So you know how good a fighter Liston is." -- Cus D'Amato
"Sonny Liston stood up to me and actually made me give ground. No one has ever done that to me before or since." -- George Foreman
"Possibly the greatest left jab in the history of the heavyweight division. That left jab could go through brick walls." -- Bert Sugar
"I boxed heavyweights for four years till I realized Sonny Liston wasn't my cup of tea. When I saw him come on the scene, I said I'm going to get back down where I belong." -- Willie Pastrano
"When you got hit by Sonny Liston's jab, it felt like you were getting hit with a telephone pole." -- Ray Schoeninger
"Nobody hit those bags like Sonny. He tore bags up. He could turn that hook, put everything behind it. Turn and snap. Bam! Why, he could knock you across the room with a jab. I saw him knock guys out with a straight jab. Bam! In the ring, Sonny was a killing machine." -- Johnny Tacco
"Liston could scowl as hard as any man in or out of the ring. And, of course, he invented the big stare." -- Joe Louis
"When Sonny gave you the evil eye - I don't care who you were - you shrunk to two feet tall. And one thing more; he could fight like hell. They forget it now, but when Liston was champ, some people thought he was the greatest heavyweight of all time." -- Harold Conrad
"Liston was the biggest puncher I ever fought." -- Chuck Wepner
"If you got hit with the right hand, you wouldn't get up." -- Floyd Patterson
Liston was the most powerful intimidating Heavyweight ever. He never gets enough credit bcz of the two Ali fights which were dubious to say the least. Ali was seen as the bright new future, and Sonny was forced to step aside, and then found dead in really suspicious circumstances when he might "talk" about the deceit. His life story is better than any fiction novel, he deserves more respect than he gets. Before the first Clay fight Joe Louis told Sonny that he was going to bet on him. *"Joe, save your money,"* Sonny said....Now , that's something to think about. It's in Liston's biography.
Stop glazing over sonny liston you have made this one comment atleast 10 times no one cares
@lanceewing2818 He's a creep.
@@lance-b1iit's old clip, not surprising non-tech savvy people have ways to express themselves like this, it's alright leave it
That was a very brutal ko. Marciano really had a punching power.
He shattered his face with that punch.
Powerful punches different styles of fight .
GOAT for many
@@timnik2902 He didn't shatter his face.. Marciano incurred all the damage. Walcott was perfectly fine. Back in training 2 days later. Meantime Rocky had to have nose surgery and dozens of stitches! All the exaggerating is hilarious.
This 4 minute montage has been spliced, diced and edited to show the fights only action throughout 13 rounds. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. Foreman vs. Lyle was slugfest. Liston vs. Williams was slugfest. Ibeabuchi vs. Tua was slugfest. Vitali vs. Sanders was slugfest. Holmes vs. Norton was slugfest. Ali vs. Frazier was slugfest.
They did not reconcile, and that was because Joe Frazier carried his anger and resentment of Ali to his grave. Frazier could never forgive Ali for all of the incredibly cruel insults and taunts that he directed at Frazier when the two fighters were rivals. Ali called him “Uncle Tom”, “big ugly gorilla” and a number of other things. What Ali never seemed to realize was how deeply Frazier was wounded by the insults. For Ali, it was just part of the game.
And the resentment that Joe held stemmed from the fact that Ali was worshipped by millions of people around the world. Meanwhile, Joe Frazier never got the respect that he felt he deserved and he did have a legitimate beef. Case in point: his adopted city of Philadelphia commissioned a statue of a fake heavyweight champion from a movie while ignoring the existence of the real life champion they had in Joe Frazier.
And something that Frazier said in response to a reporter's question reveals just how bitter he remained some 20 years after he and Ali fought for the third and final time. Ali was chosen to light the Olympic flame for the 1996 Summer Games held in Atlanta and Frazier was asked how he felt about his old rival receiving the honor. Without a moments hesitation, he spat out the following reply: “I hope he falls in”.
After this fight Rocky was full of admiration for Jersey Joe and always said that this was the hardest fight of his entire career. He knew at the end of the fight that he had to knock Joe out to avoid a probable points loss.
Rocky was getting Rocked by Jersey. They both landed some tremendous shots. It was a war of attrition. That Rocky won with the KO.
Yes Joe was ahead on points 🤔 I believe the rock actually needed a knockout
Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*
@bobbyd1776 Rocky Marciano defended his title only 6 times. Twice against former Middleweight Ezzard Charles, Once against aging former light heavyweight Archie Moore, Once against the man he took the title from 39 year old Jersey Joe Walcott, Once against Britain's Don Cockell and once against some other fight I don't know the name of. Who were the 43 previous opponents he fought before he won the title and padded up his record ? th-cam.com/video/d85PqloBq68/w-d-xo.html
Jersey Joe dropped him first time knocked on his can, the walk in left. Rocky took flush shots and kept coming. How articulate he was and respectful of Jersey Joe is fun to hear coming from such a savage in the ring. I watched the film in amazement captivated by a bye gone Era an those who lived then. 💪😇
"Possibly the greatest left jab in the history of the heavyweight division. That left jab could go through brick walls." -- Bert Sugar
I think you're referring to liston's jab ? If so, why would you say that for this marciano video ?
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16Cool. I saw Bigfoot smoking weed with Hitler.
Ali fought both Foreman and Liston, and he said that when it came to George he just had to take the hits and wear big George down, in the case of Liston, he simply did not want to get hit at all. So for Ali it was certainly Sonny that hit harder. Foreman trained with Liston after the Olympics, preparing him for pro boxing. George said Sonny was the only man that had ever pushed him backwards with sheer strength alone. He also said that you were always really careful not to make Sonny mad! I think it is pretty safe to say that Sonny Liston hit harder than George Foreman.
Boxers do not fight like this anymore,
These two were absolutely monsters
Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*
I wouldn't call 184-lbs a monster. More like a tiny cruiserweight.
Louis Walcott Charles Moore had a combined *((480))* fights while little Rocky only had *((49))* ..Well that's *pretty much self-explanatory why he had no losses*
This 4 minute montage has been spliced, diced and edited to show the fights only action throughout 13 rounds. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. Foreman vs. Lyle was slugfest. Liston vs. Williams was slugfest. Ibeabuchi vs. Tua was slugfest. Vitali vs. Sanders was slugfest. Holmes vs. Norton was slugfest. Ali vs. Frazier was slugfest.
@@Studentofsweetscience I just read through the comments it’s funny I just re-watched Ibeabuchi versus Tua today man what a fight
"Liston could scowl as hard as any man in or out of the ring. And, of course, he invented the big stare." -- Joe Louis
All Time Great Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston had not lost for 10 years before Ali, and didn’t lose again for 5 more. Sonny’s only loss before Ali was early in his career when Marty Marshall broke his jaw when Sonny was laughing at him. Liston fought on with a broken jaw, had it broken again in a second place, and yet only lost a split decision. He twice destroyed Marty in rematches.
Sonny was born into a family that couldn't afford for him to go to school, and when the family mule died, his father hitched his 9 year old son to the plow. Why? Simply the history of kids working on the farm. However the story would seem to accentuate the point of how strong Liston was. He grew up with a father that eventually disappeared and a mother who was on and off drugs. He use to hang out in abandoned houses and hide from other people. By the time he was twelve he had been arrested for street robberies and burglary around Brooklyn. He was rescued out of a orphanage/ boys home for juvenile offenders by Cus D’Amato not because he was a shining knight but he could make money off his athletic talent.
Liston was a different breed; what a specimen.
Marciano would break a payphone clean off the wall just to retrieve his 10 cents even though he had 30K in his pocket. He was half a bubble off plumb with severe obsessive-compulsive personality disorder *@ THE ROCK Sports Illustrated Vault Aug\23\1993.*
Any boxer that's on an undefeated 30+ or 40+ fight winning streak (especially during the 50s) has been brilliantly managed and well protected. Italian Mafia soldier Frankie Carbo, the most powerful promoter in boxing, had his leash-n-collar around little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky.
25-0 Marciano fought *F-LEVEL* nobodies until he met 37-0 LaStarza who also fought *F-LEVEL* nobodies. After their fight Marciano continues with more *F-LEVEL* competition bcz his handlers were afraid to put him in with anyone who could pose much of a threat after coming so close to tasting defeat.
Little cruiserweight Rocky's next opponent was *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman who had lost 8 of his last 9 fights. Everybody knew it was a gimme fight for an undefeated fighter.
Then there was *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry who had a career record of 71 wins 68 losses.
Marciano's 32nd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Keene Simmons who had a career 8 wins 8 losses.
Marciano's 33rd fight was against *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell who had a career 4 wins 17 losses.
Marciano's 34th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Art Henri who had a career 13 wins 14 losses.
Marciano's 35th fight was against *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate who had a career 11 wins 14 losses.
It's clear as day Mafia Boss Frankie Carbo and his associate Al Weill *padded and cherry-picked* Marciano's resume his entire (but very short) career. Marciano's career motto was: *"Fight No One and Quit While You Are Ahead"*
Lewis Watson, the boxing writer and historian, speaks of the artificial puffing up of records against cherry picked competition, saying: *“Unbeaten records are fairly padded; you have to look if there are any notable victories coming against first rate competition."*
But But But many Marciano fans say he only defended his title against the #1 ranked contender. Well that's very noble and honorable yet meaningless when those six #1 ranked opponents were "mediocre" at best.
*Little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat??? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles, Moore, Walcott, and Louis were in their prime when they fought Marciano???*
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
Resilient, relentless, swarming, durable, belief, tough, powerful,.....Unbeaten.....Rocky Marciano
ROCKY MARCIANO: THE EPITOME OF PERFECTION!
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan
"One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston
"Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali
"My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson
The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield
"Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer
"Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali
"Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza
"One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman
If that is not respect, I don't know what is
My nephew Billy has explained how good you are and why. Apparently there's a guy by the name of Gregory Rochette that has been harassing people for 10 years. Billy said, "you contain him and put him in his place." I wish you good health and happiness. Carry on.
179lb light heavyweight Rocky's conditioning is another manufactured fallacy and 236lb Ibeabuchi vs. 226lb Tua proved it when they threw a record breaking 1,730 haymakers in only 12 rds. *When "The President" Nigerian Ike Ibeabuchi met "The Tuamanator" Samoan David Tua the Nigerian got out to an insanely fast start, throwing 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic "tribal" battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226lb Tua's record stood at 27-0-0 23KO's while 236lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0-0 12KO's.*
This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step.
After the fight Ibeabuchi complained of a headache and was taken to a hospital. He underwent several tests including an MRI scan but nothing abnormal was found and was immediately released. A week after the fight Tua had surgery to remove bone chips from his left elbow.
And Ike's in🎃sanity had nothing to do with anything he injested lik-roids, he was too paranoid of medications to take anything illegal. Ike was an anomaly, one in a million.
No heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power. He had fierce determination and he had no fear of anybody, and he believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils. Unfortunately, here was a very scary man both in and out of the ring. And it’s unfortunate that we’ll never know what could have been.
Bob Arum: "I don’t know, but it was the Heavyweight division and people love a puncher, and while he probably couldn’t have made what Mike Tyson made, but he would have been damn close. You know, hundreds of millions of dollars, sure. But again, again, that’s life, that’s life. You have to be a person, you have to be sane, you have to comport yourself with some kind of dignity and some kind of grace in order to realize that type of reward, and he couldn’t do it."
21 months later, 245lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up-and-coming heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was 20-0 with 15 knockouts, only 26 years old .. and he never fought again.
Byrd: "I got a little arrogant, thinking I’m unhittable. Cause I just thought, Oh man, he can’t hit me! I’m gonna slip everything. And, boom, just got caught. When I got knocked down the first time, I got, literally, the canvas woke me up. I was asleep before I hit the ground, and when I hit the canvas it woke me up. I asked the referee why he stopped the fight? What are you doing? "The bell rung!" But my bell was still ringing, that’s what was ringing, was my bell."
245lb Ike Ibeabuchi would have been the heir to Lennox Lewis throne. The Klitschko's would have been gate keepers if he was around. Ike was a Super Heavyweight with serious power, great speed, chin of iron, a boxer and a brawler, freakish stamina, threw punches in bunches and had a ridiculous work-rate with KO written all over his punches.
*179lb light heavyweight Rocky with 67" flyweight reach gets flattened by the 245lb prodigy Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!*
The way Rocky fans go on and on about how he's the best conditioned fighter that ever lived is laughable. So Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Manny Pacquiao, David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi never trained? What a Joke.
By way of comparison undisputed undefeated no°1 p4p bantamweight Naoya Inoue has 67½″ reach, longer than light heavyweight Rocky's 67" reach. Inoue is 5' 5", Rocky 5' 9". Rocky fans continuously try to debate me. What's there to debate? How to magically make Rocky bigger? Throughout his career he only weighed 178 to 186. History cannot be changed. Charles Moore Marciano etcetera were light heavyweights period. As a matter of fact the overwhelming majority of that division was filled with middleweights and/or light heavyweights masquerading as Heavyweights. Perfect example being Harry 'Kid' Matthews who was for the most part a career middleweight. Matthews weighed a mere 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130, and you call that *"Heavyweight"* division? Shouldn't one have to fight topnotch genuine Heavyweights inorder to be respected as an authentic *"Heavyweight"* champion?
Tyson in his prime has never been seen before or since. A combination of incredible speed, skill, and flat out aggression. I recognized sheer mortal danger when i saw it. Dude was terrifying.
Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him."
Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."
After his brilliant but erratic welterweight, Vince Foster, had been killed in an auto accident, Jack Hurley, the tall, thin, caustic manager and promoter who has a genius for developing mediocre fighters into rich ones, began snooping around for another boxer. Into his office one day in 1949 walked a skinny middleweight named Harry Matthews, who had won 67 out of 70 fights on the West Coast, had been fighting for 12 years and had succeeded only in getting deep into debt. Hurley agreed to take him on for his usual 50%. Matthews screamed in anguish. "Listen, young man," said Hurley, "you've been boxing for 12 years and you've made exactly nothing. Now, 50% of nothing is nothing. You don't know how lucky you are. What is happening is that you are getting 50% of me."
Hurley watched his new gladiator work out and was appalled. "He got all his ideas from amateurs. It's a wonder he hadn't been seriously hurt. His idea of how to defend himself was to grab and run. That's all he knew. But oh, he was such a bad fighter. He couldn't punch, he couldn't take a punch. He was an agony fighter. Looking at a fighter that can't punch is like kissing your mother-in-law."
Hurley brought Matthews along slowly and one night put him into the ring with a carefully selected opponent who had had only 12 fights and was too light to cope with Matthews. "I figured Matthews would make his name overnight," says Hurley. "He figured to knock the kid out easy. But it went 10 rounds and nobody got hit, although Matthews wins the decision. The next day Matthews comes into the office, and he says, 'How did you like the fight?'
"I says, 'What fight?'
"He says, 'Last night.'
"I says, 'Harry, that was the most disgraceful thing I ever saw. If you and that kid were to go down to the street corner right now and go through the same antics, that traffic cop wouldn't even come over and break it up."
But Hurley has never needed a superfighter; all he needed now was a property, and Matthews, game and willing to learn, was it. The two of them set up shop in Seattle, and Hurley began the great campaign. Traveling the Northwest like a couple of drummers, the soft-punching, glass-chinned Matthews reeled off a dazzling skein of 35 consecutive wins. Hurley explains in detail how the feat was accomplished:
*"I made sure he didn't fight any great fighters. I picked 'em mostly by their styles, guys that had styles just right for Matthews. So all his fights appeared to be sensational."*
MAY 1961 JACK OLSEN
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume @ lightweight, welterweight, and middleweight moonlighting @ light heavyweight. *Matthews weighed 130 vs. Parks who also weighed 130. Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion???*
It's somewhat surprising that 178 pound Rocky vs. Cardone, Jefferson, Ferron and DiGiorgio didn't fight for the light heavyweight title as well. *He certainly qualified.* Moore was champion of that division and was larger than Rocky. Light heavyweight Charles went to the Heavyweight division bcz he knew the $$$ was there, Marciano did the same. It was easy, no problem bcz there were no prime topnotch genuine 200+lb Heavyweight boxers boxing at that particular time to stop them. Joe Louis was only 6′ 1½″ 213 and he was giant compared to Rocky.. Rocky was actually 5' 9" (1.75 meters), according to Rocky Marciano's biographer John Cameron; his reach was 67 inches (1.70 meters)--incredibly short for Heavyweight; by way of comparison today's Bantamweights (115-118 lbs) average 67.7". There is no question that light heavyweight Rocky was superbly conditioned by the standards of the day; however, at his average fighting weight of 183 lbs/83kg, between 178 and 188, he was not incredibly lean and he wasn't dehydrated; he was, in other words, a natural light heavyweight.
You believe weight and height are the only decisive factors in a fight? Rocky was a heavyweight because he hit like a heavyweight, not a light heavyweight, perhaps one of the best. Tyson wasn't that big, but we know what he did with much larger fighters. Marciano could knock out any man on earth. Ali said he didn't know if he could beat him. You believe Ali just considered Marciano as a light heavyweight? What's your point? Marciano couldn't fight with heavyweights of today? You are very weong if that's the case.
Both Moore-n-Charles attained their Hall of Fame status for what they accomplished @ Light heavyweight,, Not Heavyweight!!! Y'all really believe it was a glorious feat winning against blown-up Middleweights and Light heavyweights???
Archie Moore had his first fight in 1935 against Billy Sims. His 2nd fight was against "The Kid", a 148lb welterweight. Archie was also 148. Moore eventually moved up to the 160lb middleweight division. He finally attained the 174lb light heavyweight championship after 17yrs in 1952, and he held that belt till 1962. So Moore was obviously moonlighting (gain 5 to 15lbs,, lose 5 to 15lbs) the Heavyweight division for 10yrs.
Moore had already been fighting professionally for 20yrs with exactly 178 fights before he fought little 184lb cruiserweight Marciano. *Little 184lb cruiserweight Marciano never faced an elite fighter in his prime. Name one, just one prime elite fighter Marciano beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Louis, Walcott, Charles, Moore were in their prime when they fought Marciano?*
Muhammad Ali said in 'The Greatest': "With George I had to let him hit me, with Sonny I had to keep him from hitting me!”
*"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES."* -- Lennox Lewis
*"NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT A TOP-NOTCH SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION."* -- Ring Magazine
179 lb light heavyweight Marciano opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire "CAREER" record, not a partial record. Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they were. Pro boxers can be evaluated using grades A, B, C, D, and F which has been used in boxing for decades:*
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell - 66 wins 14 losses with 46% KOs looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews - 90 wins 7 losses with 58% KOs is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible "Heavyweight" opponents to be respected as a legitimate "Heavyweight" champion?*
*Even little 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky's 5 best opponents, Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:
TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN
BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$
*In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably--The Ring Magazine*
Name one, just one *"prime"* ATG boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Charles Moore Walcott Louis were *"prime"* when they fought the light heavyweight?
*Enormous criminal empires had been built on the supply of illegal liquor during the Prohibition era. Italian Al Capone’s the most infamous among them. When prohibition came to an end in 1933 the Mob needed something new. Access to the machinery of boxing, a wilfully unfettered anarchy proved remarkably easy to acquire. Boxing was now fertile ground for the Mafia. The Italian mob controlled it all, from the trainers and managers to the reporting journalists, with a combination of intimidation and financial backing ensuring everybody the mob wanted was under their control. The entire eastern seaboard was Italian, it was all Italian. Even the commissioner of boxing was Italian.*
49 wins, 43 knockouts, 0 defeats. Rocky Marciano, a hero to all those who are told they can't.
Marciano carved a swath through the heavyweight division not seen before or since!
Rocky is the pinnacle of heart, courage, and determination of his time.
Getting hit by Rocky's huge fists was tantamount to getting hit with a brick.
HEROES GET REMEMBERED, BUT LEGENDS NEVER DIE!
The heavyweight division was weak when Marciano fought but just consider what he was able to accomplish even though he started boxing late in life. He had the heart of a lion and it showed in the first Walcott fight and also in the second Charles fight when his nose was split in half. He was the best conditioned athlete of his time. Ask Archie Moore. He never stopped punching and he could take a good punch. Could he have beaten Sonny Liston, Muhammid Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, and other great fighters of the 60s and beyond? Not likely. Despite that, I think what he accomplished was pretty incredible given his shortcomings. He was a warrior and even Ali admired him for his grit.
"If you got hit with the right hand, you wouldn't get up." -- Floyd Patterson
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers 76-14-1 with 77% KOs is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 70 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. Ron Lyle and Muhammad Ali ranked Shavers as the hardest puncher they ever faced. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.”
Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. Angelo Dundee said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
Except Jerry Quarry fought him and destroyed him. So much for than angle.
Muhammad Ali, "Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard *unrecognizable* folks in Africa."
Cosell, "But you think you could have beaten him too?"
Ali, "Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas *especially those deceased.* Marciano and I were good friends, *but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him,* probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, *it's just up to the imagination.*
Cosell, " You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."
Ali, "Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. *He wasn't as great as me,* wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man *just pretending* and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, *he probably wouldn't...* *that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"*
Later though in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Moore, and Charles would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. ((( *Why was the most important part removed?? Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Moore, and Charles would've beat Marciano"!!!* )))
ABC'S WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS {MUHAMMAD ALI VERSUS THE GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME; DAYTONA 500}
Summary:
This edition concludes the segment "Muhammad Ali versus the Greatest Heavyweight Champions of All Time" in which Howard Cosell and Muhammad Ali discuss the careers of great boxers.
In this final portion, Cosell, with world heavyweight champion Ali at Ali's Deer Lake, Pa., training camp, discusses fight films involving these fighters: Joe Louis, Max Schmeling, Billy Conn, Ezzard Charles, Pat Valentino, and Jersey Joe Walcott. Dave Diles reports with a sports news update on the final lap of the Daytona 500 automobile race as Bill Flemming narrates the tape of the finish. Ali and Cosell resume their discussion of fight films involving the following fighters: Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, and Rocky Marciano.
ABC February 15, 1976 Sunday 8½ hrs.
(Dave Diles explains the entire 8½ hrs. coverage *@ 1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage* from NascarAllOut)
((( *Moral of the story is so much of what Ali actually said about Rocky has been removed!!! This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!!! Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information!!! The honest truth is Rocky uploaders removed the most important part because it didn't align with their agenda!!! Why not just use Rocky's resume to defend him instead of hiding vital information? Well, because Rocky's resume is utter Horseshirt, that's why!!!* )))
@black David Frost Was Ernie Shavers a greater fighter than Rocky Marciano? Defend that ful.
@black David Frost I asked you if you thought Ernie Shavers was a greater fighter than Rocky Marciano?
@black David What's the matter, not enough gut to try and tell me how great Shavers was? Try it full.
*178 to 186 lb light heavy aka tiny cruiser with tiny 67" flyweight reach Rocky Marciano's resume:* Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 6 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 8 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 4 wins 17 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 20 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
*Even tiny 67 inch flyweight reach Rocky's 5 best opponents, Charles, Moore, Walcott, Layne, LaStarza -- LOST ((94)) times and were KO'D ((28)) times!!!*
IT'S CLEAR AS DAY WHY HE WENT 49-0:
TOO MANY D AND F-LEVEL AMATEUR WALK-IN
BOXERS TAKIN-DIVES AND PADDIN RECORDS FOR $$$.
OR BEING MADE TO BY THE SICILIAN UNDERWORLD
THAT CONTROLLED EVERY SINGLE FACET
OF BOXING DURING THE 1950s!!!
EVEN LITTLE ROCKY HAD SICILIAN MAFIA BOSS
CARBO IN HIS BACK POCKET PROTECTING HIM
BCZ THEY WERE MAKING MILLIONS THROUGH HIM.
THE DAY AFTER HE RETIRED HE IMMEDIATELY
ABANDONED HIS KIDS AND WIFE TO CONNECT
WITH HIS UNDERWORLD FRIENDS WHO HELPED
HIM START HIS LOANSHARKING BUSINESS.
CRY AND SCREAM ALL YA WANT BCZ IT CANNOT
EVER SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET!!!
IT WAS REAL AND VERY WELL
DOCUMENTED SO STOP LIVING IN DENIAL
Floyd Patterson wrote in Victory Over Myself:
“I loved Cus, but he was not going to let me fight the best because he was afraid I was going to lose. I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses, and I felt better despite the losses."
Ironically, even though he lost to Liston and never regained the title, he is still ranked in the top 20 heavyweights of all time precisely because he fired Cus, and fought real contenders, rolling up a record worthy of the Hall of Fame.
After he fired Cus, Floyd faced:
Muhammad Ali
Sonny Liston
Eddie Machen
Henry Cooper
Jimmy Ellis
Oscar Bonavena
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
"'I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses.'" --Floyd Patterson
*SOMETHING MARCIANO NEVER DID*
Little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky never came close to cleaning out his division like Louis, Liston, Ali and Lennox did. Marciano ducked *Johnson, Baker, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard."*
Directly after Patterson beat Moore for the vacant Heavyweight title Cus D'Amato suggested that the return of Rocky Marciano to the ring would be most welcome and would draw "The Greatest Gate in History." Marciano *"'declined'"* --written by Vault | SI 1956
He *"'declined'"* bcz he knew he'd have to confront *Williams, Liston, Clay, Chuvalo, Patterson, Machen, Folley, Valdez, Johansson, Cooper, Miteff, London, Mildenberger, Jones, Terrell, Bonavena, Quarry, Martin and Ellis* just to name a few
It says in the book- The Greatest Fights.. That Never Were --by Matthew Bazell that *"Marciano wanted absolutely nothing to do with Floyd Patterson. Marciano was offered 2 MILLION dollars. The Patterson people including Cus wanted that fight so bad. But Marciano wouldn't take it no matter how much he was offered."* (Marciano discusses one of his multi-million dollar offers @ The Marciano Tapes #3)
Leotis Martin vs. Sonny Liston: 2nd to his last fight Liston was KO'd by Martin,,, or was he really KO'd? *When the ref started counting notice how Sonny raises his head and turns it to rest on his forearm. That's not all. After the count of 10 Liston immediately raises himself up with his own two arms then flops himself over onto his back.* Correct?
Marciano is the single greatest fighter this sport will ever produce!
Rocky was so strong. He hit a special heavy bag that weighed 600 lbs. He was special. Better than everyone else for sure. That's not all. Everyday he ran 20 miles and did 4000 sit-ups. He was head and shoulders above everyone else. My god he was special. One in a billion. Did i mention he was special.
Rocky ran 20 miles daily for 2555 (7 years) days nonstop. Keep in mind a marathon is 26.2 miles. In addition to his daily 20 mile runs he'd also include sprinting uphill backwards and shadowboxed under water for an additional 2 hours. Rocky was superhuman and will forever be my Hero. Peace to the fallen 😢
Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by The Ring in 1994.
Marciano was named the 7th greatest puncher of all-time by The Ring in 1997.
Marciano was named the 9th greatest fighter of the 20th century by The Ring in 1999.
Quotes from the book Rocky Marciano: The Rock of his times 2005 author Russell Sullivan
"One of the greatest champs ever." - Sonny Liston
"Hardest puncher I ever fought." - Joe Louis
"The one fighter who might have beaten me." - Muhammad Ali
"My manager waited for him to retire before I dared fight him as a heavyweight." - Floyd Patterson
The hardest puncher I ever saw in 50 years in boxing." - Don Turner, trainer for Evander Holyfield
"Ali wouldn't have tried rope-a-dope on Marciano cause Marciano would have KOd him." - Joe Frazier
"Hit harder than anyone I ever fought." - Ezzard Charles
"Hit harder than anyone ever." - Jersey Joe Walcott
"Like fighting an airplane propeller." - Archie Moore
"Trained harder than anyone ever." - Don Turner, trainer
"Hit you so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa." - Muhammad Ali
"Broke blood vessels in my arm just hitting me. Took weeks for my arm to recover." - Roland LaStarza
"One of the hardest punchers who ever lived." - George Foreman
If that is not respect, I don't know what is
LITTLE 184-lb CRUISERWEIGHT ROCKY'S OPPOSITION:
Lee Epperson - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone - 0 wins 3 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards - 1 win 2 loss with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman - 1 win 6 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson - 4 wins 2 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly - 12 wins 9 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian - 15 wins 12 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson - 3 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell 4 wins 17 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron - 4 wins 13 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato - 7 wins 13 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie - 10 wins 13 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis - 32 wins 14 losses with 35% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio - 9 wins 15 losses with 4% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons - 9 wins 22 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri -18 wins 29 losses with 18% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls - 20 wins 41 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) - 71 wins 68 losses with 30% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate -12 wins 16 losses with 13% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold - 104 wins 45 losses with 50% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato - 56 wins 23 losses with 25% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson - 56 wins 27 losses with 51% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor - 31 wins 19 losses with 42% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore - 35 wins 17 losses with 24% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross - 19 wins 5 losses with 72% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn - 20 wins 4 losses with 58% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds - 53 wins 13 losses with 49% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards - 24 wins 9 losses with 39% KOs looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo - 16 wins 2 losses with 38% KOs looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
*Even little cruiserweight Marciano's best three opponents Charles Moore Walcott, ((two light heavyweights and one cruiserweight)) lost ((68)) times and were KO'd ((20)) times!*
"In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results- the real stumblebums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time fights, the less-talented fighter often gets the bulk of the cash; he is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably." --The Ring
Great heart...power...stamina...chin of iron...ridiculous work rate...hurt you no matter where he hit you...never took a backward step...threw punches in bunches with KO written all over them...broke bone and blood vessels...pain meant nothing...he feared no man...49-0...43 KO's...a beast in the ring...and class outside of it...put The Rock in with anyone!
MARCIANO IS THE SINGLE MOST DESTRUCTIVE FORCE EVER SET LOOSE IN THE RING!
Rocky's huge titanium fists were no different than two 18-wheeler Mack trucks. He wasn't called Rocky Mack for nothing. He was special. I get tears in my eyes just thinking about him. My god he was special.
ROCKY BEST😃🇮🇹
The Best Ever Left This World.Sad Day In Boxing History.😢
Marciano proved that height, weight, reach, experience mean absolutely nothing
Not only did Rocky's big bones give him the ability to carry more weight, it was the main reason for his tremendous power.
So Marciano threw 100 punches in a round? Lol give me a break. Number one Marciano only weighed 185. So even if he threw 100 punches in a round what would that prove? Why compare a light heavyweight punch numbers to a true-Heavyweight. Only sik-minded fanboys would even try to compare.
So Fury, Lewis, Vitali, and Foreman all would have lost if they fought the hyped-up tomato cans little white Marciano fought? Give me a break. LaStarza, Savold, Cockell, and Matthews would be humiliated in the real Heavyweight world.
If 42 year old light heavyweight Moore and 38 year old cruiserweight Walcott could drop little white Rocky then the Tyson's, Foreman's, Klitschko's and Ibeabuchi's of the world woulda kilt him. How can a 185 pound man even be considered an ATG Super Heavyweight when he was barely cruiserweight?
"When Sonny was forced to throw the Ali rematch, his reputation and legacy went down with him. A predominantly white, racist media always feared and hated Liston, and were only too happy to humiliate him after that bout, and forget about him almost entirely after he died." -- author Paul Gallender
37yr old Joe Louis had already been fightin *"18yrs"* with 68 fights and 96 fights before 2 million soldiers during his 4 year military service before facing little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky. Joe’s speed and power were just a memory. His accuracy and timing were long gone and his reflexes were no longer instinctive. The old 'Brown Bomber' faintly resembled the well-oiled and efficient fighting machine he once was during the late 30’s. He had nothing left offensively but a semblance of his left jab. He was slow of both hand and foot and needed to have his feet set perfectly inorder to get off. His punching power had all but evaporated, evidenced by him scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights. Joe had nothing left to neutralize Rocky. Louis was a sitting duck. By contrast, Marciano was just entering his prime. And that 8 fight winning streak Joe had, was a predetermined carefully hand-picked set-up. He was only there to pay the IRS.
38/39yr old Cruiserweight Journeyman Jersey Joe Walcott had already been fighting *"22yrs"* with an abysmal 44% KO's before facing little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky. He definitely was not prime. Journeyman Joe lost throughout his entire career, beginning, middle, end. Walcott was fighting professionally when Rocky was only *"'SEVEN"'* yrs old. *Cruiserweight Walcott Lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.*
Light heavyweight Ezzard Charles had already been fighting *"15yrs"* with 95 fights before facing little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky. Charles had the lowest ever 42% KO's. His best boxing years were definitely behind him as he was factually showing traces of Lou Gehrig Disease in 1951. *LH Charles Lost (25) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
41 or 42yr old light heavyweight Archie Moore had already been fighting *"20yrs"* with 178 fights before facing little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky. Moore was fighting professionally when Rocky was only *"'TWELVE"'* years old. Exactly 95% of his 141 TKO's came against welterweights, middleweights, light heavyweights and small cruiserweights. *LH Moore Lost (23) times and was KO'd (7) times.*
Little 184-lb Cruiserweight Rocky Marciano only fought *"7yrs"* before he abruptly "Quit" during his prime at only 31yrs of age. Rocky was *"embarrassed of losing,"* his younger brother, Peter, said. Quitting so soon is not only shameful but not fair to all the other boxers that had 15 to 20+ year boxing careers.
*If you eliminate his secretive debut fight under the alias Rocky Mackjeanne, he actually fought "7yrs" bcz there was a 15 month gap between his 1st and 2nd fights. Read Mike Stanton to understand Rocky Mackjeanne vs. Les Epperson in Holyoke. Holyoke (Bumsville) was in a circuit of gritty New England cities where ethnic rivalries played out in the boxing rings. Rocky Mackjeanne was shortened to Rocky Mack just before the fight.*
Joe Louis' 8 fight winning streak which helped him become #1 ranked contender before he faced light heavyweight Rocky. Below is the (6) boxers ring-worn and washed (as evidenced by scoring only 2 KO's in his last 12 fights) Louis beat:
#1) 196 lb Cesar Brian had an abysmal 36% KO's. Brian's career record of 49 wins 11 losses looks okay until ya see 25 of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians.
#2) 191 lb Freddie Beshore had an abysmal 24% KO's. His career record was 28 wins 10 losses. 5' 9" Beshore was on a 4-fight losing streak before he faced Joe. *Why would Joe even consider fighting someone who had just lost 4 fights?*
#3) 187 lb Omelio Agramonte. *Oh wow, oh my, i watched their entire fight and Joe looked terrible, absolutely terrible. What was Joe thinking? He should have stayed retired.* Omelio looked as if he only weighed 165 lbs.
#4) 194 lb Andy Walker had an abysmal 17% KO's. His career record was 18 wins 20 losses. *It's clear as day what's going on here.*
#5) 188 lb Omelio Agramonte -- *Why Twice? We all know why!*
#6) 190 lb Lee Savold. Even the announcer said, *"Joe Louis reflexes are but a memory."* These two should have been retired. *They just pushed Louis through towards Marciano so everyone could fill their pockets with $$$.* Savold had a career 45 losses and was KO'd 12 times.
#7) 197 lb Cesar Brian -- *Why Twice? We all know why!*
#8) 180 lb Jimmy Bivins 5 feet 8.8 inches (1.75 m) light heavyweight Bivins had an abysmal 27% KO's. Yes Jimmy was a Hall of Famer. But he was a Hall of Famer @ light heavyweight, not Heavyweight. *This is the 'Heavyweight' division we're taking about right?*
*Talk about bum-of-the-month-club WOW. It was obviously a predetermined carefully hand-picked set-up.*
Boxing-elites, Italian-mafioso, and the IRS really needed Joe to be ranked #1 inorder to get their Louis vs. Marciano $$-SHOW-$$. The only loyalty the Italian-mob had was to $$$. Hey, they took 50% of Marciano's earnings and all ticket sales, all in all $2 Million. $2 Million in 1955 is equivalent to $21 Million today.
*In May of 1950, the IRS finished a full audit of Louis's past returns and announced, that with interest and penalties, he owed the government more than $500,000. Louis had no choice but to return to the ring. The Louis camp negotiated a deal with the IRS under which 36yr old Louis would come out of retirement, with all his net proceeds going to the IRS. After boxing Joe ended up in the pro wrestling circuit and they still took his money. But that gig finished when Cowboy Rocky Lee lunged onto him with both feet, his boots colliding with Louis' torso. The crash cracked three of his ribs. It left him with a cardiac contusion and officially ended his stint as a wrestler. Children used to send him one dollar in the mail. In his biography he said a child walked up and handed him a dime. When Joe was broken physically and mentally the IRS finally stopped collecting. He lived with friends until he died.*
Probably the most brutal slugfest ever filmed.
Marciano is famed for his punching power and relentess pressure. This fight clearly shows that he also had chin of granite. Some of Walcott's shots would have floored a grizzly bear, but Marciano didn't flinch. Incredible stuff.
Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*
Louis Walcott Charles Moore had a combined *((480))* fights while little Rocky only had *((49))* ..Well that's *pretty much self-explanatory why he had no losses*
@oldschoolsaint. What is your agenda bud, trashing Rocky Marciano, why?
@@glynhannaford7332 How exactly did the *Honest Truth* suddenly turn into "trashing" ???
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Charles Lost *(25)* times and was KOd *(7)* times
Moore Lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times
Walcott Lost *(20)* times and was KOd *(6)* times
Savold Lost *(43)* times and was KO'd *(12)* times
Lowry Lost *(68)* times and was KO'd *(3)* times
Cockell Lost *(14)* times and was KO'd *(9)* times
LaStarza Lost *(9)* times and was KO'd *(2)* times
Louis Bravely fought *(69)* times.............little Rocky Quit at *49*
Walcott Bravely fought *(70)* times.........little Rocky Quit at *49*
Charles Bravely fought *(121)* times.......little Rocky Quit at *49*
Moore Bravely fought *(220)* times.........little Rocky Quit at *49*
Savold Bravely fought *(142)* times.........little Rocky Quit at *49*
Matthews Bravely fought *(103)* times.. .little Rocky Quit at *49*
LaStarza Bravely fought *(66)* times.......little Rocky Quit at *49*
Cockell Bravely fought *(81)* times..........little Rocky Quit at *49*
Lowry Bravely fought *(150)* times..........little Rocky Quit at *49*
Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........little Rocky Only *7* years
Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......little Rocky Only *7* years
Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......little Rocky Only *7* years
Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........little Rocky Only *7* years
Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........little Rocky Only *7* years
Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...little Rocky Only *7* years
LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....little Rocky Only *7* years
Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......little Rocky Only *7* years
Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........little Rocky Only *7* years
*Shocking isn't it?? We never se these stats bcz they're always Suppressed.* Imagine if today's Heavyweights Fury & Usyk had losing records lik that?? *Heck,, they'd be thrown under the bus immediately if they only had "'ONE"' loss,, let alone 20 or 30 or 40 or 50 or even 68!!!*
*((* If a fighter *today* had *((20))* losses and was KO'd *((6))* times he'd be considered an undercard *F-LEVEL* Journeyman!!! Correct?? OH,, but, but, but it's okay for Jersey Joe Walcott bcz two-faced Marciano fans say it is *))*
*HOW MANY LOSSES DID THE "'BEST"' HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS OF ALL TIME HAVE:*
Lewis --------- *2*
Holmes ------ *6*
Ali -------------- *5*
Vitali ----------- *2*
Foreman ---- *5*
Tyson -------- *6*
Wladimir ---- *5*
Bowe --------- *1*
Liston -------- *4*
Louis --------- *3*
Holyfield -- *10*
Frazier ------- *4*
Norton ------- *7*
Tunney ------ *1*
Dempsey --- 6
Johnson --- 11
*"SHOW ME A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WITHOUT A LOSS AND I'LL SHOW YOU A FIGHTER THAT FOUGHT A LOT OF NOBODIES"* -- *Lennox Lewis*
"ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano" -- @35:01 Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50s, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."*
William Dettloff’s book Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life documents that Charles first felt *weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, in 1951 - before he battled Rocky Marciano, Charles was already suffering from the symptoms of ALS* (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), also known as “Lou Gehrig’s disease.” It is notable when around the time Charles lost to Joe Walcott in 1951, *Dettloff records that his family had noticed signs of what they would learn later was ALS.*
"Of all the men I fought in boxing, Sonny Liston was the scariest." -- Muhammad Ali
From the book 'The Real Story Behind the Ali-Liston Fights' -- "'During the first Liston-Ali fight at the Convention Hall in Miami Beach on February 25, 1964, Sonny had a bad left shoulder. He had gone to see Joe Louis' doctor who treated him for bursitis, but there wasn't enough time for the treatment to work. Sonny was around 45 years old at the time which was a well kept secret. His oldest sister wrote he was born 1919 a year after the Great War. He asked the Florida Boxing Commission for a postponement of the fight. He was turned down and fought the six rounds with the damaged left shoulder, which he completely tore up during the fight."'
"'In the second fight at St. Dominic’s Hall in Lewiston, Maine, on May 25, 1965 a really bizarre situation developed. According to Gallender, Malcolm X's people had a hit out on Ali (Ali sided with the rival Elijah Muhammad). Elijah's Black Muslims kidnapped Liston's wife and son. Sonny was told to lose the fight to Ali or he would never see his family again! The fight lasted one round with Liston going down from the famous 'Phantom Punch'."'
Argh. This incompetent SOB of a referee. *Ali never went to a neutral corner, only then can the count begin.* Worst decision of all time. Obviously Liston's age (20yrs older than Ali) wasn't enough to secure Ali a win. Liston's kids had to be kidnapped by Ali's friends (Nation of Islam).
( Ali undoubtedly won both fights. *It's just nice to understand why and how they were predetermined illegitimate wins* )
Rocky pounded you relentlessly.....endless cardio, endless fury, all champion.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the best.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
"What could be better than walking down any street and knowing you are the heavyweight champ of the world." - Rocky Marciano
Rocky was the best.
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
Zora Folley, then #1 contender for the heavyweight title said when Liston hit him: “The lights went out, when I woke up I asked Sonny what happened and he said 'I hit you"
Este video es de Marciano y walcott ,que tiene que Liston y Folley ?
"Sonny Liston's the meanest fighter that ever lived. No one's more intimidating. Not even myself." -- Mike Tyson
Number 1 ranked Roland LaStarza: *"His reputation was built on the first Rocky fight. Although he had a long winning streak at the beginning of his career, there are no tough names on his record. After the first Marciano fight he could have forced the issue by meeting top fighters. He refused fights with Charles, Moore, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. Lost and avenged to overstuffed light heavy Dan Bucceroni and to light heavy Rocky Jones and looked terrible against Jones in the rematch. The Jones win and a victory over the faded Rex Layne gave him the credentials to meet Rocky for the title. Look at LaStarza's record there are no names on it except for Marciano. I have the complete film of the Jones rematch and believe me LaStarza looked terrible. LaStarza NEVER fought a dangerous opponent except Marciano and thats a fact if you know any of the fighters from his era. I am not saying that LaStarza was a coward but he (or, excuse me, his management) refused matches with Henry, Charles, Baker, and Archie Moore. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he wouldn't take those matches because he "deserved" a rematch with Marciano and thought he was offered the other matches by the IBC only because they were trying to knock him out of "his rightful shot at Marciano." Boo Hoo Hoo. Real, confident fighters go out and prove they deserve their shot by beating dangerous fighters to force a showdown with a champion."* --Chuck Hasson Boxing Historian and Philly Boxing Founder
"When Sonny gave you the evil eye - I don't care who you were - you shrunk to two feet tall. And one thing more; he could fight like hell. They forget it now, but when Liston was champ, some people thought he was the greatest heavyweight of all time." -- Harold Conrad
You are black David Frost
Both could take it and give it.
Great performance from both fighters.
This 4 minute montage has been spliced, diced and edited to show the fights only action throughout 13 rounds. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. Foreman vs. Lyle was slugfest. Liston vs. Williams was slugfest. Ibeabuchi vs. Tua was slugfest. Vitali vs. Sanders was slugfest. Holmes vs. Norton was slugfest. Ali vs. Frazier was slugfest.
Those old-school Super Heavyweight champions like 165-lb Fitzsimmons, 175-lb Burns, 181-lb Charles, 182-lb Patterson, and 184-lb Marciano are Gone Finished History. Welcome to the new "SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT" era that little Rocky wouldn't even be sanctioned to enter.
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NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING HAS A 190 LB MAN BEAT AN ELITE SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT BOXING CHAMPION
Marciano could only dream of defending the title 25 times like Joe Louis did much less come back for more at age 37
Damn every punch Marciano lands sounds like bombs going off. Holy shit.
Editing does wonders. Walcott *had already been retired for ((4)) years!!! Walcott was fighting professionally when little rocky was only ((7)) years old!!! Little Marciano never faced an ATG in his prime!!!*
@@Bronco_Billy_Jack_Hills OK sure
Walcott lost to Middleweights ,, Mays ,, Palmer ,, Ketchell ,, AND Light heavyweights Charles "twice" ,, Fox "twice" ,, Maxim ,, Brothers ,, and Taylor. *Would C-LEVEL Journeyman Joe be a great Heavyweight today?* How could he be when he consistently lost to Middleweights and Light heavyweights?
40 year old C-LEVEL Cruiserweight Journeyman Joe Walcott had already been fighting *"22 years"* with *(68)* fights before facing little 184 lb Rocky. Walcott had an abysmal 44% KO's. *Walcott being granted (6) title attempts in a (5½) year span proves how shallow the division was. And (5) of his title opportunities came immediately after a loss!!!* This is important. Giant Abe Simon put Walcott into retirement for 4 years 4 months and Rocky himself said, *"Walcott was only 90%"* @ 'The Marciano Tapes 3'
*Walcott lost (20) times and was KO'd (6) times.*
Journeyman Joe's most notable victories include wins over Light heavyweights Charles & Maxim. Combined Charles & Maxim lost *(54)* times. Imagine today's Heavyweights Usyk & Joshua having *(54)* losses? They'd be thrown under the bus for eternity while Walcott continuously gets praised & glorified for his *(20)* losses.
"Rocky Marciano was the greatest fighter of the century. I think he was the greatest champion." - Joe Louis
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the best.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
@@Alien_Observer_LV-426you are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance. You must be a product of public education
Joe Louis said in Gods of War: "It didn’t matter what stance Sonny Liston fought from, he was the best I ever saw.”
Riddick Bowe 6' 5" 240 lbs KOs 73% with 81" reach had a career 43 wins 1 loss. At his peak he was an excellent fundamental boxer, had a great chin, power in both hands, could fight inside or out, and would have been a difficult test for any fighter who ever lived. Trainer Eddie Futch said, "Riddick had more untapped potential than any fighter he had ever known." Bowe was the undisputed Heavyweight Champ in 92 and won the Super Heavyweight silver medal @ the 88 Summer Olympics. Riddick is an ATG Hall of Famer. *Prime 'Big Daddy' Bowe manhandles the little 5' 9" 179 lb light heavyweight Rocky as if he were his Daddy!!!*
You are embarrassing yourself with your ignorance. How tall was Tyson.
Times change so does size and weight
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 I see you can’t deal with reality 🐵
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 amateur know nothing 😅
@@Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 ha ha , I didn’t read any of your comments! Thanks for wasting your time
For seven fights from 2010 to 2014, Floyd "Money" Mayweather, 50-0, made $217 million in guaranteed money, pulling down anywhere from $11 million to $41.5 million guaranteed per fight. He also gets a percentage of everything sold in arenas on fight night, from tickets to hot dogs. When he fought Canelo Alvarez in 2013 for a guaranteed $41.5 million, he reportedly took home more than $80 million. He made $102 million in 2014 alone, more than the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo ($21 million), LeBron James ($42 million) and Roger Federer ($65 million). His motto: *"Love me or hate me, you're gonna watch me."*
LaStarza vs. Layne *(uploader William Walker)* reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. *What an oaf.*
LaStarza refused (ducked) fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Bivins, Maxim, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he "wouldn't take those matches because he 'deserved' his rematch with Marciano." ...it's clear as day, Roland LaStarza was a brilliantly managed 'Ducker'!
If 178 to 184 lb tiny cruiser Rocky was *all-Powerful* why didn't he ever break any bones? *He never broke one rib, one nose, one eye-socket, one jaw or detached one retina.* If he did i assure u every Rocky fan would be talking about it!! Right?
Marciano catches lightning in a bottle ONE time vs. Walcott and his fans automatically assume he's the most powerful puncher that ever lived.
Rocky never had 43 KO's, half were TKO's. Count them. There's a Huge difference between KO's and TKO's. LaStarza and Cockell were still standing, correct?
Rocky's entire legacy has been built around that "one" KO against a guy that was at least 40yrs of age, if not older. *Just before Walcott gets KO'd where are both of his hands? They are at waist level. Why? Bcz he's worn out and his reflexes are shot. Father time waits for no one!*
Roland LaStarza with all his supposed "Broken Bones" and "Ruptured Blood Vessels" only had minor surgery to remove tiny bone chips from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. Elbow arthroscopy is a minimally invasive procedure. It's a common boxing injury yet y'all act as if both his arms were decapitated. Besides, Roland said, *"I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano."* I have the article.
Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: *"Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."* ...So, Rex only sustained *"ONE"* broken tooth!!!
This is important. *If all Layne's front teeth were sheared off at the gum's it would have been impossible for Layne to fight Charles exactly 3 months later.* Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slipping and falling on the ice. One broken tooth, what's the big deal?
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD, RETIRED, AND COMPLETELY BROKE, JOE LOUIS
The great white hope Marciano battered Don Cockell, another light heavyweight masquerading as a Heavyweight. Rock was the biggest phony ever, how in the hell could boxing allow such deceit, they must legitimize his legacy so they brought out of retirement an OLD
Southpaw 200 lb Cruiserweight Usyk is actually bigger than Ali. Joshua came in at 240 lbs, only an 18 lb weight advantage over Usyk 222 lbs 6'3.2" height 78.2" reach. Holyfield 218 lbs 6'2.5" height 78" reach. Michael Spinks 208 lbs 6' 2.5" height 76" reach. Ali 215 lbs 6'2.5" (passport) height 78" reach. And of course we mustn't forget 185 lb 5'10" little white Rocky with his famously shortest "ever" 67" inch bantamweight T-rex alligator arm reach.
Maybe little white Rocky could have beaten that circus clown Jess Willard who was paraded around for 4 years without a single fight. Or maybe he could have even beat that other circus clown Primo Carnera who was daily alcoholic (like Andre the Giant) and 100% mafioso controlled. The ‘ambling alp’ was an awful boxer with gigantism or acromegaly (like Andre the Giant). He was promoted as a monster because of his size, but he was really clumsy and couldn`t punch with his full weight, he was completely exposed by Joe Louis who easily battered Primo into submission.
Y'all white Marciano lovers fail to ever mention Marciano's Forced retirement. Why? Because Marciano couldn't take the pain anymore from two confirmed nose surgeries, hand surgery, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines cause his head was used as a Pinata constantly gettin smacked around,, here,, you hit me five times,, and I'll hit you back one time,, Duh. And all that talk about retiring for his family nonsense was simply a bull•••• publicity stunt because he immediately abandoned his family and left them penniless when he perished.
Gypsy King Fury would keep little white Rocky at arm's length and force him back whenever he felt crowded. He'd jab, turn and bewilder him for as long as wanted, and if Fury felt so inclined, he'd walk him down Kronk style and smash out a stoppage. And none of this, "if he can't reach his head he'll go to the body", either. That's just bull****. Fury's lead would keep Marciano too far away as is. He ain't getting the opportunities to impose his workrate and definitely doesn't hit hard enough to stop him. Fury jabs him into oblivion. Heck, Fury can land 4 or 5 jabs a round and win the round. King Fury wins. Anyway he chooses.
A closer glance at Joe Louis' 8 fight winning streak which helped him become the #1 ranked contender before he faced little 184lb cruiserweight Rocky Marciano. Below is the "SIX" (6) boxers Louis beat:
#1) 196lb Cesar Brian -- Decision -- Brian had an abysmal 36% KO's. Brian's career record of 49 wins 11 losses looks okay until ya see (25) of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians who helped pad his record.
#2) 191lb Freddie Beshore -- KO -- 28-10-1 ..5' 9" Freddie had a featherfisted 24% KO's. F-LEVEL Beshore was on a 4-fight losing streak before he faced Joe. *Why would Joe even consider fighting someone who had just lost 5 out of his last 6 fights??* We all know why!
#3) 187lb Omelio Agramonte -- Decision -- I watched their entire fight and Joe's combinations were non-existent. Agramonte had a low-power 45% KOs. The announcer said Louis was supposed to fight Charles after the Savold fight but the Louis camp ducked the light heavyweight bcz they knew Joe was washed.
#4) 194lb Andy Walker -- TKO -- 17-8-7 Andy was powderpuffer with 17% KO's. His F-LEVEL career record was 18 wins 20 losses.
#5) 188lb Omelio Agramonte -- Decision *AGAIN* -- Why Twice??? What happened to much better opponents Baker, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Matthews, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard?? Where did LaStarza and Moore disappear to?? Why not Charles or Walcott again?? We all know why!!!
#6) 190lb Lee Savold -- KO -- Savold lost 45 fights and was KOd 12 times. Even the announcer said, "Joe Louis reflexes are but a memory." *These two should have been retired. They just pushed Louis through towards Marciano so everyone could fill their pockets with money.*
#7) 197lb Cesar Brian -- Decision *AGAIN* -- Why Twice??? What happened to much better opponents Baker, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Matthews, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith and Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard?? Where did LaStarza and Moore disappear to?? Why not Charles or Walcott again?? We all know why!!!
#8) 179lb Jimmy Bivins -- Decision - 5' 9" light heavyweight Bivins had 25 losses and was KOd 5 times. He also had an abysmal 27% KO's.
Talk about bum-of-the-month-club, WOW. Notice the 5 decisions. A prime 24yr old (1938) Joe Louis would have easily accumulated 8 knockouts against those powder-puffers. It was obviously a predetermined carefully hand-picked set-up.
So Joe comes out of retirement and takes the worst beating of his career from 181lb light heavyweight Charles, then he fights 6 stiffs and becomes the #1 ranked contender. Please. What a horrendous weak division.
*Boxing-elites, Italian-mafioso, and the IRS really needed Joe to be ranked #1 inorder to get their Louis vs. Marciano $$-SHOW-$$. The only loyalty the Italian-mob had was to money.*
Hey, they took 50% of Marciano's earnings and all ticket sales, all in all $2 Million. $2 Million in 1955 is equivalent to $21 Million today. Norris, Carbo, and Weill had complete control over little Rocky and very carefully selected his opposition.
*The Louis camp negotiated a deal with the IRS under which he would come out of retirement, with all his net proceeds going to the IRS. After boxing Joe ended up in the pro wrestling circuit and they still took his money. But that gig finished when Cowboy Rocky Lee lunged onto him with both feet, his boots colliding with Louis' torso. The crash cracked three of his ribs. It left him with a cardiac contusion and officially ended his stint as a wrestler. Children used to send him one dollar in the mail. In his biography he said a child walked up and handed him a dime. When Joe was broken physically and mentally the IRS finally stopped collecting. He lived with friends until he died.*
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson. Which was not easy to do in their primes. Michael also beat Heavyweight champion Larry Holmes to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history.. Even Archie Moore himself said, *"Michael Spinks Would Have An Edge Over Ezzard Charles."* -@ Rare Archie Moore Interview
LH Charles lost *(25)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times!
LH Moore lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times!
*LH Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated Hall of Fame All Time Great Michael Spinks 'NEVER LOST'!!!*
Absolutely light heavyweight Rocky Marciano retired because of Sonny Liston! There's no doubt about it, and i have the proof! Here we go, this is important. Rocky's last fight was in Sept 1955, but he officially announced he was quitting April 27, 1956. "On May 5, 1956, a policeman confronted Liston and a friend about a cab parked near Liston's home. Liston assaulted the officer, breaking his knee and gashing his face. He also took his gun. He claimed the officer used racial slurs." There it is. There's the proof. Liston went to jail after Marciano had already decided to QUIT!!! How many hundreds of times have i read that Liston was already in jail when Rocky retired. It was all a lie! Why didn't anyone ever check the dates?
I know, I know, Liston was only 14-1 and wasn't even "ranked" when the light heavyweight quit. WRONG!!!! Let me explain: When Sonny began fighting again after his losses to Ali, he won four fights by knockouts, and yet, mysteriously, was still unranked when Ali was stripped in 1967, and the “eight top contenders” were assembled to fight for the title. Included, incredibly, among the eight was Floyd Patterson, who Sonny had KO’d twice in a total of 246 seconds.
The always honest Patterson even told reporters Sonny: *"should have been in the tournament, but the media refuses to print anything positive about Sonny.”*
Sonny was the most ducked fighter in history, 14 top 150 of all time fighters declined to fight him! Jimmy Ellis was one of the 14 who ducked Sonny, and as to the tournament he won, Sonny was just plain blackballed from taking part in it, even though he certainly deserved to be the top seed. When asked if he would defend against Liston if a big money offer was made, Ellis said, *"NO"*
This is very important. It's clear as day what the ranking bodies did to Liston. These guys were all white. And they hated him. They intentionally kept him from being ranked #1 or #2 or #7 or # 9. *They kept him unranked even though they knew he was the best Heavyweight boxer in America even before he started boxing professionally!*
'The Big Bear' already had a huge reputation as being the best fighter in the USA as early as 1953. After Liston was released from prison on October 31, 1952, he captured the Chicago Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions on March 6, 1953, with a victory over 1952 Olympic Heavyweight Champion Ed Sanders. Twenty days later Liston captured the Intercity Golden Gloves Championship on March 26. The head coach of the St. Louis Golden Gloves team, Tony Anderson, stated that "Liston was the strongest fighter he had ever seen," *and light heavyweight Rocky knew it.*
What Liston accomplished by winning those Golden Gloves tournaments is no different than winning an Olympic gold medal today. *Word travels fast within the boxing communities and every single professional boxer knew who Sonny Liston was in 1953! Forget about the rankings. Liston was the scariest and most feared fighter in the world, and that's exactly why little Rocky retired.* Even Rocky's brother, Peter, admitted Rocky quit bcz, *"losing a fight would be a tremendous embarrassment to him."* -(I have the source)
"In the ring, i never really knew fear." - Rocky Marciano
Never seen stamina like Rocky had .. superhuman.
Rocky was the best.
This fight lasted exactly 39 min 43 sec. What happened to the other 36 min? This montage has been spliced, diced, and edited to show best parts. Crowd noise has also been added-in. Editing can make any fight look slugfest. If anyone has ever stepped through those ropes before they'd immediately know that both these guys are wide open and exposed. Rocky looks awful and would be KO'd within seconds today. The jab is the most effective punch in boxing yet neither uses one. Casuals always wonder why they never see these types of amateurish brawlers today. Well that's bcz they'd be obliterated. Undefeated light heavys Beterbiev/Bivol would humiliate Rocky.
Minimal boxing skills. These guys were street fighters not boxers. Super Heavyweights Zhang Ngannou Parker Kabayel Vitali Foreman Lennox Briggs Peter would annihilate all these little light heavyweights within minutes. Ibeabuchi would definitely crush them. I had no idea how bad boxing skills were back in the day.
@@Alien_Observer_LV-426Lol! Rocky undefeated. 43 knockouts of 49 fights. You are funny.
Little 186lb cruiserweight Roland LaStarza's record was 37-0 before he faced little 184lb cruiserweight Marciano. *Honestly it's remarkable that i just so happen to have those awesome 37 journeyman/ham & eggers Rollie fought:*
Walter Hafer - 22 wins 26 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic - 18 wins 12 losses with 33% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jackie Lyons - 32 wins 24 losses with 23% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft - 12 wins 8 losses with 35% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Carollo - 36 wins 17 losses with 16% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman - 22 wins 21 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino - 24 wins 15 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Bill Weinberg - 44 wins 22 losses with 34% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Gene Gosney - 14 wins 5 losses with 42% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Mike Jacobs - 14 wins 16 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard - 20 wins 16 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Mel McKinney - 8 wins 10 losses with 5% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Teddy Georges - 0 wins 1 loss with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Oscar Goode - 43 wins 23 losses with 20% KOs *D-LEVEL*
Tony Gangemi - 21 wins 18 losses with 26% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Benny Rusk - 20 wins 17 losses with 27% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred McManus - 18 wins 19 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
John Holloway - 2 wins 11 losses with 15% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Claude McClintock - 1 win 9 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Steve King - 21 wins 11 losses with 17% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy White - 9 wins 17 losses with 11% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Frankie Reed - 2 wins 14 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Mike Belluscio - 15 wins 10 losses with 37% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Luther McMillan - 13 wins 19 losses with 12% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Fred Ramsey - 8 wins 12 losses with 28% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Lorne McCarthy - 2 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans - 18 wins 8 losses with 50% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Matt Mincy - 0 wins 11 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Zeke Brown - 0 wins 10 losses with 0% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jim Johnson - 3 wins 22 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Dodd - 8 wins 12 losses with 22% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Al Zappala - 20 wins 27 losses with 9% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Zack Johnson - 3 wins 7 losses with 10% KOs *F-LEVEL*
Dave Glanton - 1 win 13 losses with 7% KOs *F-LEVEL*
#37) Cesar Brion - 49 wins 11 losses with 36% KOs *C-LEVEL* looks okay until ya *see how many of his wins came against his fellow Argentinians*
*WORST 37-0 EVER!!!*
"There are so many names from his era conspicuously missing from his record. LaStarza's only claim to fame was having lost a close decision to Marciano. Although he had a long winning streak at the beginning of his career, there are no tough names on his record. After the first Marciano fight he could have forced the issue by meeting top fighters. He refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Bivins, Maxim, Clarence Henry, Bob Baker etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much, saying he wouldn't take those matches because he 'deserved' a rematch with Marciano and thought he was offered the other matches by the IBC only because they were trying to knock him out of 'his rightful shot at Marciano.' Boo hoo hoo." *--Chuck Hasson Boxing Historian and Philly Boxing Founder*
Take a look at Mike Tysons early opponents w/l records. You are partisan against Rocky
Jonathan Eig wrote of Sonny in Ali: A Life: “Liston does not merely defeat his opponents. He breaks them, shames them, haunts them, leaves them flinching from his punches in their dreams."
Tutto questo prima di affrontare Ali😂
Why are you just posting irrelevant quotes on a fight between 2 completely different people?
Student of sweet science my arse... Student of the CopyPasta is the reality
Why don't you answer this man?
Marciano fans describe him as being *so fierce* that he practically *killed all 49* of his opponents in the ring. Y'all have these vids *saturated with so much exaggerated nonsense* that it's laughable.
*Little 184-lb cruiserweight Marciano was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,679 teeth, and ruptured 792 blood vessels. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god , because when he walked the earth shook.*
If little cruiserweight Rocky was *all-so-powerful* why didn't he *ever break any bones???* He never broke *one rib,* *one nose,* *one eye-socket,* *one jaw* or *detached one retina.* Exactly *who's bones did he break???* Waiting,, Tic Toc Tic Toc... *""NOBODY""!!!! ""ZERO""!!!!*
Roland LaStarza with all his supposed *"Broken Bones"* and *"Ruptured Blood Vessels"* only had to have *'minor'* surgery. Y'all act as if *both his arms were decapitated.* LaStarza simply had *miniscule bone-chips* removed from his elbow just like David Tua did after his fight with Ibeabuchi. *It is a common boxing injury because everyone blocks punches using their forearms and elbows.* Besides LaStarza said, *"I already had elbow problems before i even fought Marciano."* I have the *article.* When Roland left boxing he went on to a very lucrative TV acting career.
Here's the newspaper article about Layne's tooth: *"Rex Layne lost a left upper tooth..the tooth broke at the gums when Marciano caught the Utahn in the mouth with a full right hand. Layne was taken immediately after the fight to a New York dentist to have the teeth X-rayed and also for treatment on a broken tooth." Layne's handlers said, "the tooth went out with the gumshield."*
Rex only sustained *"ONE"* broken tooth! He fought Charles exactly 3 months later so what's the big deal??? *Folks break their teeth all the time skateboarding or slippin-n-fallin on the ice.*
"He punched out almost every tooth in Rex Lyne's mouth and sent his gum guard into the crowd. It take massive power to do that. If Layne was 6'6 240+ it wouldn't of made any difference." -- *written by a-typical Marciano Fanboy 12 years ago.*