Here in Germany we are essentially having the same debate. Honestly, I don't mind not getting any money for my exported solar energy since I never installed Solar to export, I installed it to make my own electricity. Now, where I would draw the line is at "negative export rates". I believe the whole concept of energy producers having to sell at negative prices (at the energy stock market) is just stupid. Don't subsidise energy and "throw it away" or penalize those that help make clean and renewable electricity! Make sure to have ways of transporting, storing and transforming that electricity at all times and give incentives to those that produce electricity when it is needed. Cut the feed in tariff to 0 if there is a momentary oversupply, but never go below that.
Solar PV has come down enormously in the last 3 years - from around £270 for a typical panel to only £60 to £80 on average. Batteries however, are still expensive imo, and considering the development of semi-solid state and, further out, solid-state batteries, they don't appear to be a mature technology either. Taking a Tesla Powerwall 3 as an example, it currently will cost around £6000 to purchase a battery that has about 1 days storage for a typical household. When looking at payback times we see that for battery storage, PBT is longer than for simple PV installation. I fully expect to see major advancements in battery energy density and price drops over the next few years, so I'm not so sure that rushing out to get batteries now is a good idea.
I have Dynamic Contract. No Problems. More Solar and Wind for Cheap Clean Energy. Today was the price zero to 2 cent kWh. Lot of Wind. Very Good. In summer lot of Solar. It gets better All the Time. What a Wonderful World.👍🌹
Export at the fixed rates will be unsustainable, but a similar agile tariff will be sustainable and probably more lucrative. V2G will also take advantage of the batteries already available. Especially if my next car with V2G and LFP I would happily be a grid level battery for peak shedding. We're paying gas peaked plants considerable sums to do this already, so why not pay storage to do the same?
We have solar as well as batteries and we are on Agile (for import) and a generation FIT (for export). I believe that our contract with Scottish Power would make it difficult (perhaps impossible) to export electricity for anything less than is stipulated in the contract. However, I appreciate that we may be in the minority in this regard. It is my understanding that it is cheaper to convince the general public to mop up excess energy at an incentivised price than it is to convince the large operators to either park their wind turbines or isolate the output of the solar farms from the grid. However, as you have stated, much of this is for the mid term rather than immediately and that gives the grid more time to work out what how to play large and small operators to their advantage by way of new contracts. In the past month Agile has hit the price cap, but this is the first time since we have been on that tariff and, while like many, we had kittens for a couple of days, even over that week, we were still better off than had we been on an SVR and without batteries. In the past few days, with renewables generating massively (wind especially) it's been a much better picture. I do agree though, dynamic import and export pricing will become the norm but it will be a bitter pill for the general public to swallow. I feel happy that we have taken the plunge and adopted now .... I just need to get plunge pricing, batteries and Home assistant properly working together and I will be an even happier bunny!
Impossible to answer with any certainty, but what are your thoughts on the government bringing back a grant to incentivise people to get solar panels fitted the private residencies???
I’d say with almost 100% sure it won’t ever bring it back… solar is cheap to where it was and returns are worth it for people. Money best spent on other incentives
Here in Germany we are essentially having the same debate.
Honestly, I don't mind not getting any money for my exported solar energy since I never installed Solar to export, I installed it to make my own electricity. Now, where I would draw the line is at "negative export rates". I believe the whole concept of energy producers having to sell at negative prices (at the energy stock market) is just stupid. Don't subsidise energy and "throw it away" or penalize those that help make clean and renewable electricity! Make sure to have ways of transporting, storing and transforming that electricity at all times and give incentives to those that produce electricity when it is needed. Cut the feed in tariff to 0 if there is a momentary oversupply, but never go below that.
Solar PV has come down enormously in the last 3 years - from around £270 for a typical panel to only £60 to £80 on average. Batteries however, are still expensive imo, and considering the development of semi-solid state and, further out, solid-state batteries, they don't appear to be a mature technology either. Taking a Tesla Powerwall 3 as an example, it currently will cost around £6000 to purchase a battery that has about 1 days storage for a typical household. When looking at payback times we see that for battery storage, PBT is longer than for simple PV installation. I fully expect to see major advancements in battery energy density and price drops over the next few years, so I'm not so sure that rushing out to get batteries now is a good idea.
I have Dynamic Contract. No Problems. More Solar and Wind for Cheap Clean Energy. Today was the price zero to 2 cent kWh. Lot of Wind. Very Good. In summer lot of Solar. It gets better All the Time. What a Wonderful World.👍🌹
Export at the fixed rates will be unsustainable, but a similar agile tariff will be sustainable and probably more lucrative.
V2G will also take advantage of the batteries already available. Especially if my next car with V2G and LFP I would happily be a grid level battery for peak shedding.
We're paying gas peaked plants considerable sums to do this already, so why not pay storage to do the same?
Solar is still my favourite microgeneration technology due to its passive nature and lack of moving parts.
We have solar as well as batteries and we are on Agile (for import) and a generation FIT (for export).
I believe that our contract with Scottish Power would make it difficult (perhaps impossible) to export electricity for anything less than is stipulated in the contract. However, I appreciate that we may be in the minority in this regard.
It is my understanding that it is cheaper to convince the general public to mop up excess energy at an incentivised price than it is to convince the large operators to either park their wind turbines or isolate the output of the solar farms from the grid. However, as you have stated, much of this is for the mid term rather than immediately and that gives the grid more time to work out what how to play large and small operators to their advantage by way of new contracts.
In the past month Agile has hit the price cap, but this is the first time since we have been on that tariff and, while like many, we had kittens for a couple of days, even over that week, we were still better off than had we been on an SVR and without batteries. In the past few days, with renewables generating massively (wind especially) it's been a much better picture.
I do agree though, dynamic import and export pricing will become the norm but it will be a bitter pill for the general public to swallow. I feel happy that we have taken the plunge and adopted now .... I just need to get plunge pricing, batteries and Home assistant properly working together and I will be an even happier bunny!
We need to start building systems that can store excessive energy
Impossible to answer with any certainty, but what are your thoughts on the government bringing back a grant to incentivise people to get solar panels fitted the private residencies???
I’d say with almost 100% sure it won’t ever bring it back… solar is cheap to where it was and returns are worth it for people. Money best spent on other incentives
Do you think we could be taxed on our generation in the future...
Unlikely
Yes. In Denmark people are taxed on export. Look at Gary Does Solar video about export in California.
Highly unlikely to be taxed as hard to work out what’s generated and exported
@JohnR31415 with what has gone gone on from the chancellor over the past months it's possible... hopefully not... keep up the good work.
@@NicolasRaimo we all have a smart metre.....so it could easily be used for smart taxation .