@@Ginfeldi Fair point. But can we mention the taiream ship? A fox and a rabbit. In fact most of the cast would be considered prey so there arent many pairing that make sense
I’ll watch this later but her design looks pretty cool from a first impression. I like her bell and the fact that they made a cute and fluffy animal look cool and kinda militaristic.
I think Lanolin is Sally's successor in the same way Starline is to Finitivus, Surge to Scourge, and Whisper to Tempo, similar in some ways but very different in others. Edit: Putting this out there, I don't mean this as an insult. I really like these characters and IDW Sonic is great! It's not the writers' fault they can't do much worldbuilding. If you're going to spam an argument, please do it somewhere else.
@@slateoffate9812 Ah, I thought we were still talking about Sonic characters. Does this mean Whisper’s gonna get ship-teased with a loner with a history of self-discovery later on? TempoXShadow, make it happen! (JK)
When Silver is baffled like “you did MOST of that. How…” I was laughing out loud, that was such an awesome moment. Really makes me wish this was an animated series that moment would be so awesome animated and voice acted
I know the facial expressions have been amazing throughout the entirety of IDW’s run, but god these two issues specifically have me dying from how good & hilarious these faces have been.
Tangle is a Sally clone because of similar hairstyles. Amy is a Sally clone because she has leadership skills. Lanolin is a Sally clone because she has tactical skills. Blaze is a Sally clone because she's a princess. Anytime a female Sonic character is put into a good light, they're automatically measured up to Sally. Without biting my head off, I want to ask a question. Does anyone understand the frustration some fans have with measuring a character's worth by comparing them to Sally Acorn?
I definitely understand the frustration of measuring them up to Sally, but that's mostly because SEGA had to take out Sally in the first place. A lot of us fans want her back. She was great in the SATAM show AND the Archie comics (both pre-reboot and post-reboot). And the writers also love her as well, but SEGA doesn't really care and forces the writers to "make up for it" with other characters such as Amy being the resistance leader/organizer during Forces (Knuckles was the commander), but it felt strangely out of place for her to be like that. It just makes us miss Sally all the more... :( (Hopefully this answered your question. This is just my personal perspective on the matter, so I may be completely wrong.)
Yeh Nick is obsessed with Archie Sonic and he needs to stop comparing the 2 as IDW Sonic is basically a restart of Archie altogether or rather a Reboot. The way he always jumps to Sally compared with Lanolin and Amy is freaking disturbing the way he talks about it.
Yeah, it's never "Elise is a Sally clone because she's a princess who is written as weak and helpless for a not insignificant amount of time so Sonic can look good" or "Knuckles is a Sally clone because he smacks Sonic clean across the face".
My personal take is that Sally showed what a good female character could be, then vanished. The reason so many people compare to her is because she left a positive impact.
idk. Whisper has been incredibly well received and I've never seen a comparison there (also this comment is the 1st time im hearing about Tangle comparisons too).
While Lanolin is definitely her own character, it's pretty clear she's meant to fill the role Sally played as the level-headed field commander, just without all the baggage from Archie and the shipping drama. Like how Surge both is and isn't "the new Scourge," Lanolin is and isn't "the new Sally." Same function, done in a different way. I'll always hold out hope for a return of the Freedom Fighters (even though there's zero chance of it), but this is close enough for jazz.
But he said that fro IDW Amy too soooooooo..........Whats happening here is Amy and Lanolin just clones of Sally cuz Ian refuses to be original? Or is Nick as usual over analyzing characters as he always does?
@@somedudewhodraws9377 I don't think so. IDW Amy was kind of written into that spot because there was a role that needed filling and there wasn't really a character for it, and even in the story they made it clear Amy wasn't the right fit for the part. Lanolin's personality is much closer to Sally's, both being more level-headed and strategic-minded commander types to play off of Sonic and Tangle's more impulsive personalities. That said, while Lanolin definitely fits the same archetype as Sally at first glance, the details are still different enough that she can stand as her own character, and hopefully she'll become more distinct with further stories, just like how Surge grew more different from Scourge the more we saw of her.
@@justice8718she was kind of a meathead even compared to scourge's brutish nature true but at least she has a known reason to be like this, we barely know anything about scourge's backstory other than the fact that he overthrew his worlds king acorn and had daddy issues but he had nothing that made us see why he is this way other than "reverse universe, reverse morals, reverse sonic" And even then, for being sonics evil twin you'd think he would be more of a problem and less of a bully I think he should have been a real main villain or even one of THE main villains, someone you could only beat after a big ferocious fight
@@kenanmeral8891 Scourge honestly makes more sense as a person that Surge. Surge is a looney toons villain stuck being a mockery of the real thing, which is ironic since that idea canonically breaks Scourge's mind.
Idk why but that panel of Tangle rolling down the hill with her tail really makes me want to see a game with these newer characters. Idk her moments just fit so well in a game design aesthetic sense haha
This notification gave me a jumpscare, I’ve never clicked so fast. YOOOO!! My girl’s got a Speed Reading video by Game Apologist! We win!! 🎉🔔🐑 Edit: 6:48 Lanolin’s small data device is actually a SEGA Dreamcast Visual Memory Unit (VMU)! :]
@@GameApologist Gotta appreciate what kind of little references the artists throw into the world of Sonic that they happen to know, especially ones from ABT. I mean, same artist who drew Issues 32 and 55 with Eggman packing heat and his weapon is similar to a Gravitational Beam Emitter (GBE) from the manga, “Blame!”
@@slimeprivilege Yes it does. Eggman even strikes the same pose after firing it as is done in the anime. (made a mistake if you were talking about the SEGA Dreamcast Visual Memory Unit)
As someone who does have their gripes with the Sally comparisons fans make, I do understand that it comes from a place of longing for characters that older fans have had a lot of time to attach themselves to, and not necessarily from a place of snobbish nitpicking that other fan bases would be more inclined towards. My main issue is that, outside of Lanolin, most of these comparisons are of very superficial traits, I mean, people saying Jewel is a Sally clone? How is she? They are decidedly different personality wise, and Jewel isn’t even leading a rebel group, more like a damage control clean up crew tasked with rebuilding places eggman nukes to the ground. This leaves really only one comparison to be made between Sally and Jewel, which is that they are both leaders of an organization and are both female characters. Really shallow surface level comparison that disservice’s Sally as a character, and only serves to undermine Jewel’s credibility as a distinct character. Which is why the constant comparisons fans make with Sally and “female character of the week” leaves a sometimes sour taste in my mouth. It’s like some fans can’t let characters share a similar role or archetype, even if they’re as different as can be, fans will reach and they will reach HARD to find a connection and complain the character isn’t original enough and a carbon copy clone of another character that’s been around longer and thus more popular. Apologies for the rant but it’s been bugging me for awhile and it has absolutely nothing to do with Lanolin. Mainly just people comparing Tangle, Amy, Rouge, and Jewel that irks me to no end.
I agree with you, constantly comparing Sally to any female character in IDW feels annoying if not down right obsessive, I get that Sally is loved by older fans but can you imagine what it's like to be a new one and not like her? I got into sonic because of Unleash and sonic heroes, I always heard of Sally but the Satam cartoon never aired in my country while I was growing up nor did the local comic book in my town sell the Archie comics, everything I knew about Sally and the freedom fighters was told to me by TH-cam I occasionally came across (heck I thought scourge was a fan made character because the idea of a evil sonic that was green and used sunglasses with a leather jacket just sounded... fan made at the time) I like IDW Sonic, a lot of people do but this constant comparison with Archie just isn't nice, the IDW comics are canon now and that's the reality older fans of the comic have to accept. I saw some toxic behavior from Archie fans (one in particular just felt biased and hateful of the official canon) but while I can't fully blame them for acting this way, I also can't defend them for this unhealthy gatekeeping
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197 same, I only read the post genesis wave Archie comics, I wasn’t really attached to Sally as much as the other characters (hell even Scourge rubbed off on me, all things considered) But oftentimes the sonic fandom tends to be very particular about what they want and yet also not know what they want either. To the point where it feels like fans don’t actually want new Sonic games, shows, etc. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they just want to have more of the characters they really like, which is something I can understand and sympathize with. But it’s also kind of annoying how much it happens 😅
I swear they do this every single time, constant comparisons with Archie comic characters are just annoying to me right now. The moment I saw someone compare Saint Geoffrey to Rough just because they are skunks! Most of these comparisons are surface level at best, but since the Archie comics came first and we're around longer, I guess they feel obligated to make these comparisons I don't want to offend any Archie fan, but the way they talk about bring these characters back just doesn't sit with me. I like the freedom fighters but that doesn't mean I want them back, it feels wrong for me to say that because so many people like them but I am of the opinion that Sonic doesn't need then to work in the modern age and that their time has passed. Hopefully everyone can understand what I'm saying, I don't want to be crucified in the comments for just saying my opinion
@@Whatcha_ Rough is a IDW character, he and his brother are skunks with their gimmick being that their are always making rhymes revolving around their names Example: "You think you're tough..." "We're gonna make you humble..." "Get ready for Rough & Tumble!"
You know, I never considered her to be a Sally archetype...but the people who do must have some...words. Especially after all they've said about IDW Amy.
Sally fans are weird to me, but I don't have any nostalgia for Satam or Archie to begin with. I only started reading the Archie comics last year and I don't see what the big deal is, there is good characterization at times but the comic never stays consistent enough or even grounded for it to work, I got confused so many times while reading it and the art style changes didn't help at all. It's like the comic itself couldn't decide what it wanted to be half of the time
Well, it's at least comforting to know Sally and the Freedom Fighters are still remembered by creators as well as fans and they are inspirations for new characters in the comics.
19:50 personally, I'm fine with Rings simply staying as non-diegetic elements (a.k.a. stuff that is only acknowledge by the audience and doesn't actually exist in-universe).
Yeah, right? Any attempt to put them in universe has always felt weird to me, outside of maybe the movie cannon, but that's adapting an entirely different kind of ring
Maggie being paired with Lanolin is definitely a nice touch. This wisp obviously is influenced by sound, maybe the wispon cowbell can create different frequencies to make different effects.
I honestly just hope that SEGA doesn’t try to get rid of these characters, too. (I don’t know what’s gonna happen with the Freedom Fighters, but I know we’ve still got strong characters no matter what.)
Lanolin was also the name of a female sheep in the Jim Davis comic strip "US Acres," and that's the only thing I think about when I see anything related to this new character.
Glad I'm not the only one. I can only assume that since it's been forever since U.S. Acres got any sort of anything, Jim Davis's trademarks have expired. Sega isn't stupid enough to step on Paws Inc. I'm honestly surprised Ian & Evan got away with it -- MOST Americans of a certain age remember Garfield's Lanolin!
I'm a diehard Sally fan & personally think Lanolin is a good character with lots of potential. I also like the irony of a sheep being a leader. I just hope it's not foreshadowing for a"sacrificial lamb" moment.
I agree with that last part, solely on the grounds that a hero's sacrifice would be too much dignity for her. She needs to survive, so she can face the consequences of her shameful actions with sincere regret and humility.
@@brandonprater4613 Hey, you die as you live. Starline died a loser because he lived as a loser, and he was a loser because he was arrogant and chose a loser as his hero. Lanolin is kinda like a Starline for Sonic and Friends. She was inspired by them, she became disillusioned to them by their faults, and she automatically started acting like she knew better than them despite being far less experienced; this shows that she is arrogant. Unlike Eggman, though, Sonic and Friends are winners. Still, her arrogance is what is pulling her toward the path of a loser. It's one thing to make a mistake; it's another to not admit the mistake. Until she can swallow her pride, as Sonic and Tangle did in the near past, the disdain toward her from the fans will continue strong. Some may continue to hate her even afterward, but reasonable people will forgive her if that happens.
@@videogollumer ✌️🙂 I was just saying that sacrifice is (to some degree) tragic & only done out of necessity, it's not supposed to be Plan A. Which is why I agree that Lanolin should deal with her mistakes instead of sacrificing herself for them.
@@brandonprater4613 I never SAID it should be a Plan A! I'm just saying it would be too good for her! She'd get positive recognition for that! I don't want an arrogant bully like her suddenly becoming a hero! She treated Silver, Whisper, Tangle, Sonic, Tails, and Amy HORRIBLY; thinking she knows better when she's less experienced than them and is unqualified to be a leader. She NEEDS to be brought low! She needs to feel HORRIBLE for the horrible things she's done! She needs to feel so horrible that she wants to resign! It doesn't matter whether or not she goes through with it, but it's a display of sincere regret for something horrible that she NEEDS to show. She hurt her friends for no good reason. Is there anything worse a Sonic Hero specifically can do than mistreat a friend?
Rings don't show up in IDW because they are apparently non-canon in the current continuity, reading between the lines. Ian first said he didn't see them as anything but game mechanics in several episodes of his podcast. When Prime (which is as canon as IDW) came out he kind of danced around it for a while. Eventually pointing out how the Rings were only in the first episode, flashbacks to those events, and then completely vanished. Seemingly implying that Prime's use of the rings was a continuity error that was fixed but the first episode (and flashbacks to it's time frame) was the exception to it being fixed. So, it looks like for now rings only exist in the games until Sega changes their minds.
18:15 oh my god I love this, especially Silver's reaction. I think those were the super big annoying mini boss like ones from Heroes? Looks like it, anyways Silver great whenever he shows up in this... you did most of the work... just... how? Love that yeah they are noticing how powerful Amy is, like Mighty sure they're both speed characters... but you don't want to be on the receiving end of one of their attacks... dang... now I want Mighty and Ray to get in on these comics.
Nick this is just a big blanket YES to any time you ask "would you guys be interested in me covering this?" I love these comics and your way of providing not only your own but also the fandom's perspectives always makes these videos that much more interesting to watch
19:50 On the topic of rings, in the Minecraft Sonic Texture Pack, Gold ore is retextured to be rings. Raw gold = ring fragments and gold ingot = rings. So yes, I do think rings are a natural sonic resource.
Oh that mystery object looks a heck of a lot like the Dreamcast MMUs. They're like Memory Cards, but you can also play small games or manage the memory with the buttons.
3:53 I just noticed Lanolin's left hand is missing in this shot! 14:35 I love how Tangle is drawn here. Her exaggerated cartoonishness gives me Teen Titan vibes.
Lanolin is involved in stuff? More Tangle and Whisper? Silver and Blaze are back? I *REALLY* need to pick up these issues, holy hecc! This is the goodgood!
I gotta say, this Lanolin is WAY more likable than the U.S. Acres Lanolin...but yeah this is yet another character that I'm gonna end up making into a figure isn't it? I can even see how I'd mod an Avatar head for her...One more thing...is it just me or does it look like Adam Bryce Thomas draws the characters notably bustier than average?
He is a die hard simpmunk All jokes aside, I wish people would stop doing these comparisons or at least explained them better. Nick is the only one that at least gives a good or reasonable explanation as to why it reminds him (although it could be him overanalyzing something that might have no relation) I swear Archie fans barely explain why they dislike something while they over explain why they like another thing
Just realized that device that the wisp took high into the air looks similar if not exactly like the Visual Memory Unit(VMU) memory card that is used on the Sega Dreamcast controller!
I love Lanolin. Not quite as much as Whisper and Tangle (altho I doubt anyone will ever top my two favourite lesbians) but she's a heck of a lot more interesting than the vast majority of the game characters.
Well it make sense given the fact that Ian find inspiration in all sonic media espically due to his late run on Archie after the penders fiasco with Sega headquarters
I just like watching your Sonic speed reading. You've shown me why people like Sonic and his friends and even though I'm not a full fan of Sonic I can respect the character and his world much more now. Thank you for that Nick and no matter what I'll always watch your vids.
I'll admit, design wise I do like Lanolin. Glad the comics are working her into the fold. Thought the Magenta wisp gives a small EMP towards the badniks. Neat idea for a would be game mechanic. As far the Sally frustration i get it but also understand she may never be brought back. Not down about it of course.
Yknow what, I'm gonna say it. I'm not mad at the comparison, I'm mad that we can't see Sally again and I don't like that Sega thinks they can just replace them
Y’know what’s something I wished to see in this comic? Sonic and Blaze are parallels versions of each other in parallel worlds, speed-based characters who routinely use their Emeralds to defend their worlds. Likewise, I wished Sonic and Blaze would have very similar mannerisms and would pull the same poses in different scenarios. They do this a little bit but it’s not enough for me
I'm kinda pissed that Penders caused a character purge which then drew the attention of Sega of Japan who caused the removal of the Freedom Fighters from the comics as well. Then the setting was far more nerfed compared to the Archie comics. And Sonic became a celibate man child with his character progression thrown out the window.
I remember lanolin being an earlier character because I got a shirt from a friend that had one of the sonic IDW covers on it and I was like. Who are these people
I love the idea of Lanolin she is such and good character and does represent some characteristics from sally like how she wants to protect people and the ones she cares about it will take some time to get use to her since sally has been a favorite of mine but honestly I'm already loving Lanolin
Was Sally the least experienced of her friends? Was she cruel and callous to them? Was she a total nimrod? Did she blindly trust strangers? Was she pompous? Did she act like a "bad cop"? Did she almost get a lot of innocent bystanders killed in a ruthless pursuit of justice? Were her friends unable to trust her be? Did she lack literally ANY AND ALL likable qualities whatsoever?! Are we even looking at the same character?!
A heads up for issue 59/60 if it doesn't get brought up; according to a recent Bumblekast Mini with KaiZenAmen, Evan spoke too quickly about Shadow's characterization being loosened up. The story had to be re-written after being shipped off to SEGA, including limiting his presence in the story.
So in other words we didnt get Shadows SA2 Personality cuz she ran her mouth? Jeez thanx alot Evan u sound almost like Ken Penders now ya know that same man that tanked Archie Sonics whole Career?
@@somedudewhodraws9377 bruh calm down, something happened that could've very well not even been her fault and you're comparing her to penders??? chill out
@@somedudewhodraws9377 That's a stupid fucking reason to have a rewrite done. Who cares if a comic writer says something? It literally doesn't affect a majority of the fans, SEGA has been holding the comic property in a vice since Archie had their way with it
@@khalewren2734 She needs to be careful as shes under contract and oif she slips up again well I hope she enjoys working at a Mcdonalds soon. Sega does not screw around. They have been alot more strict since the Archie Disaster.
I'm hoping that rings being introduced to the IDW series will actually be a big deal. Seems like a neat way to introduce them, rather than them just being a fact of life already, they have an entire story arc about them.
The device the green wisp uses is a sega VMU which would go in the middle of a Dreamcast controller and display little icons depending on the game I think.
I have to wonder just how many types of animals the folks at Sega have wanted to turn into Sonic characters, but just haven't for one reason or another 🤔
Regarding pairing a sheep and a wolf together, I've said it before elsewhere, and most recently on Jehtt's June 10, 2023 video, but *every* major Sonic team includes an animal and that animal's natural predator, except for Team Dark. For the Hooligans, it's debatable based on what you consider Nack/Fang and Bean to be: weasels eat ducks, but jerboas don't eat birds, and wolves don't often have overlapping territory with woodpeckers. EDIT: I gave the date to help myself refind that video if needed. TH-cam's search features suck.
14:27... (starts singing a rendition of the opening title sequence) SONIC HEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOES sonic heroooooooes TWOOOOOOOOOOO!!!... I don't know, I know it's not a Sonic Heroes reference, but it must be referencing something, that shot is too... super hero posey to not be something, and especially with Silver and Blaze there, many fans wanting a team of them with (insert whatever 3rd character you want, me personally Metal Sonic or Mighty) if there was a sequel. Real cool screenshot, I love it, very... something.
Eggman probably made these Chaos crystals due to the Chaos Emeralds scattering(again) after the Metal Virus ark, and between Rouge collecting them and the Doc's other projects he hasn't had time to track the real ones down himself.
never though about it (since the feats don't compare) but Lanolin being put in Sally's role can be pretty good Mainly freeing Amy from that (she REALLY didn't fit being the leader for what they showed in the games) but also because a character that could keep up with Sonic AND slow him down (not with romance) is needed; 06 Shadow is pratically dead so yeah ... he is out of question now let's see what comes from this, always hyped for the future of IDW (hope it lasts long) and these characters (like Sega let me see Tangle in the gamed already)
To me, Sally can never be replaced. The Freedom Fighters predate every single Sonic character with the exception of Sonic, Eggman, and Tails. They deserve some respect and shouldn't be replaced with wanna-bees. SEGA still owns the Freedom Fighters, they should at least be remembered, and not forgotten just because of "Ken Penders This", "Ken Penders That".
I think the problem might be a conflict of interest, while a lot western fans that grew up with the comics and the Satam cartoon want these characters back, most sonic fans around the world didn't. Fans in the UK grew up with Fleetway comics instead of Archie, Japanese fans had the sonic manga instead of Archie not to mention they didn't grew up with Satam since that made for american fans first and not to mention that some parts of the world didn't beginning to gather a sonic fan base until after the Satam cartoon ended. I wish most sonic fans would remember that Sega of America (the one who approved the freedom fighters and the Archie publication in the first place) Is a subsidiary of Sega of Japan and in the end of the day is the Sega of Japan that has a final saying in this I hope people will understand that I'm not trying to throw hate at them for saying this, but I'm tired of hearing people demand Sega to do this as if the company can't survive without the freedom fighters. You might say that blaming Ken Penders for all of this is an exaggeration, but he put Sega on court because of sonic characters he made and I must assume he not only gave them a bad impression but also made them question if it was worth it or not to keep their partnership with Archie in the first place. Sega became more restrictive after the whole trial since they didn't want to deal with this sort of deal again (which happened but not to the same extent, ever wondered what happened with mammoth mongol? His creator followed in ken's path and copyrighted the character with Archie not even trying to bring this into court so they let him win) and after the Archie sonic comics began drooping down in sales in a significant enough way, I guess Sega decided that they wanted to start over with a new and likely more reliable publisher that they could have more control of as to make the comics more cohesive to the sonic lore of the modern day, thankfully a good number of writers and artists from Archie were brought into the new project over at IDW with Ian Flynn being the head writer for the beginning of the comic even going so far as to work in the official script of Sonic Frontiers (or to be more exact, the American translation of the script which is no small feat, but I don't know if his script was made first or before the japanese script)
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197 I agree. The Freedom Fighters existed way before most game characters, and Sonic has always been most popular in the U.S. I actually don't want the Freedom Fighters back in a big way, because their characters would be ruined (They already weren't great in Archie's reboot). But my biggest issue is that Japan acts like IDW is some sort of masterpiece, and are trying to put it into the games, but most people don't read comics, I personally dislike IDW, Archie is the longest running licensed comic book of all time, but was only acknowledged when it was cancelled, and it just feels kind of disrespectful. I don't want the IDW characters in the games, but the same goes for Archie. Just leave each medium alone.
@@bowserbreaker2515 I understand wanting the comics and games to be separate but recent events show that the IDW comics are going to be Canon wether you like it or not. I'm happy that they are canon since I like them and would want to see them being canon, but it's fine if you don't like it personally, I just hope you won't become toxic towards people that are happy for it being canon ( being a sonic fan sometimes is bother because all the discourse in the community, interacting with some people without it getting toxic is hard) But I can honestly see why they would make it canon, the IDW comics are much easier to follow than Archie and are inline to what the games are, hate it or not, the comics were made with the intention of fitting in the sonic lore and universe nowadays. The characters themselves are charming and could be easily adapted into the games with far less problems than the freedom fighters, but that's a question of taste I guess
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197 You can like IDW, but I despise its characters. Not just for Sega treating them like they are all perfect, but for the fact that they just stink as characters. They range from boring to annoying. I've seen many people say they love IDW, but they never give any reasons other than "It's really good". When I see people talk about how great Archie is, they go really in depth about it. To me, it feels more like people like it simply for it not being as complicated. But to me, IDW is to nothing. There are lots of people that when they finally gave Archie the time of day, really enjoyed it. I just want them to re-release the comic, even if it's gone.
Lanolin? The new Sally? Makes sense. After all, in my opinion, Dr Starline (Snivley), Tangle (Bunnie Rabbot), Belle (Nicole), Surge (Scrooge), Clutch (Mammoth Mongul) and Mimic (Shadow’s delusional mad brother, Eclipse).
You know what teams I think be cool for Sonic series if we ever get another Sonic heroes 2? Team Rose: Speed- Amy flight- Cream Power- Rouge (she started off as a rival to knuckles that could kick wholes in steel, bring that back) Team immortal beings: Speed- Shadow Flight- Gemerl Power- Omega All weapons used by bad men that don’t age Diamond cutters, self explanatory
Judging by one of the mandates, I'm not even sure there's a form of currency, which is weird since the Chaotix are always taking detective jobs for "money".
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“How weird it is to pair a sheep and wolf together”
The second character introduced to work alongside sonic is a FOX!
It’s what this series does!
Not as weird as a chameleon a crocodile and a bee... or a detective a ninja and a kid
@@Ginfeldi Fair point. But can we mention the taiream ship? A fox and a rabbit. In fact most of the cast would be considered prey so there arent many pairing that make sense
@@nightwolf789 eat im portuguese is comer, comer cam also mean make sex so is tails and sonic a couple?
Let's be glad Tails is a good dude.
@@gustavomartins364 oh. I did not need that!
Can’t believe Nick would clickbait, truly this is the darkest of days
This is the tallest of mountains
the roughest of waves
the toughest of terrors
the darkest of days
You just got recognized
I know you
He has fallen into heresy.
Really?
I’ll watch this later but her design looks pretty cool from a first impression. I like her bell and the fact that they made a cute and fluffy animal look cool and kinda militaristic.
Teens on the army aka war crimes for childrea.
@@Switchspark sonic never had put eggman on the jail beacause He is also a criminal.
I think Lanolin is Sally's successor in the same way Starline is to Finitivus, Surge to Scourge, and Whisper to Tempo, similar in some ways but very different in others.
Edit: Putting this out there, I don't mean this as an insult. I really like these characters and IDW Sonic is great! It's not the writers' fault they can't do much worldbuilding. If you're going to spam an argument, please do it somewhere else.
Wait, who's Tempo? I can't find any results for that.
@@whichcache2517 Quake Woman from the Archie Mega Man comics, which Ian also worked on.
You mean how all these IDW characters are cheap rip-offs of better characters?
@@slateoffate9812 Ah, I thought we were still talking about Sonic characters. Does this mean Whisper’s gonna get ship-teased with a loner with a history of self-discovery later on?
TempoXShadow, make it happen! (JK)
@@bowserbreaker2515 Don't put words in my mouth. These are similar characters, but their own characters none the less, not knockoffs.
A veteran, a mercenary, and an enthusiastic Rookie. What's not to love?
I concur. 😁
@@jasonharris3502how can teen be a veteran? You are playing to much cod.
Then I withdraw my previous statement.
@@jasonharris3502 i think the "heroes" are commiting to many crimes.
You know. Calling a sheep girl "Lanolin"
is basically akin to calling someone "Sweat"
Now i know what I'll name my kid if i have any
As long as you don't pair her with Cream the Rabbit....
gross
According to Ian Flynn, the orangutan mechanic introduced in one of Belle’s stories was named ‘Grease’.
@@geoffreyrichards6079
Is she related to him in any way plotwise? Grease and Sweat combo lol.
Idk, grease is alright for a mechanic.
Given the mention of Sally, I want to mention how Post-SGW making the Kingdom of Acorn the setting of Sonic 1 and 2 was pretty cool.
Post-sgw?
Post-SuperGenesisWave
A cosmic reboot of the series
@@guffy2486 TL;DR around #252, after the Megaman crossover, Archie Sonic was rebooted.
A lot of Post-SGW Archie was cool.
When Silver is baffled like “you did MOST of that. How…” I was laughing out loud, that was such an awesome moment. Really makes me wish this was an animated series that moment would be so awesome animated and voice acted
I know the facial expressions have been amazing throughout the entirety of IDW’s run, but god these two issues specifically have me dying from how good & hilarious these faces have been.
IDW Sonic has some of the best character expressions ever! I need to do a video on that soon!
There's a panel with Blaze just looking hilarious in a reaction shot
I personally don’t like it
Tangle is a Sally clone because of similar hairstyles. Amy is a Sally clone because she has leadership skills. Lanolin is a Sally clone because she has tactical skills. Blaze is a Sally clone because she's a princess.
Anytime a female Sonic character is put into a good light, they're automatically measured up to Sally.
Without biting my head off, I want to ask a question. Does anyone understand the frustration some fans have with measuring a character's worth by comparing them to Sally Acorn?
I definitely understand the frustration of measuring them up to Sally, but that's mostly because SEGA had to take out Sally in the first place.
A lot of us fans want her back. She was great in the SATAM show AND the Archie comics (both pre-reboot and post-reboot).
And the writers also love her as well, but SEGA doesn't really care and forces the writers to "make up for it" with other characters such as Amy being the resistance leader/organizer during Forces (Knuckles was the commander), but it felt strangely out of place for her to be like that.
It just makes us miss Sally all the more... :(
(Hopefully this answered your question. This is just my personal perspective on the matter, so I may be completely wrong.)
Yeh Nick is obsessed with Archie Sonic and he needs to stop comparing the 2 as IDW Sonic is basically a restart of Archie altogether or rather a Reboot. The way he always jumps to Sally compared with Lanolin and Amy is freaking disturbing the way he talks about it.
Yeah, it's never "Elise is a Sally clone because she's a princess who is written as weak and helpless for a not insignificant amount of time so Sonic can look good" or "Knuckles is a Sally clone because he smacks Sonic clean across the face".
My personal take is that Sally showed what a good female character could be, then vanished. The reason so many people compare to her is because she left a positive impact.
idk. Whisper has been incredibly well received and I've never seen a comparison there (also this comment is the 1st time im hearing about Tangle comparisons too).
While Lanolin is definitely her own character, it's pretty clear she's meant to fill the role Sally played as the level-headed field commander, just without all the baggage from Archie and the shipping drama. Like how Surge both is and isn't "the new Scourge," Lanolin is and isn't "the new Sally." Same function, done in a different way. I'll always hold out hope for a return of the Freedom Fighters (even though there's zero chance of it), but this is close enough for jazz.
But he said that fro IDW Amy too soooooooo..........Whats happening here is Amy and Lanolin just clones of Sally cuz Ian refuses to be original? Or is Nick as usual over analyzing characters as he always does?
@@somedudewhodraws9377 I don't think so. IDW Amy was kind of written into that spot because there was a role that needed filling and there wasn't really a character for it, and even in the story they made it clear Amy wasn't the right fit for the part. Lanolin's personality is much closer to Sally's, both being more level-headed and strategic-minded commander types to play off of Sonic and Tangle's more impulsive personalities.
That said, while Lanolin definitely fits the same archetype as Sally at first glance, the details are still different enough that she can stand as her own character, and hopefully she'll become more distinct with further stories, just like how Surge grew more different from Scourge the more we saw of her.
@@BazztheBazz Surge became more pathetic than OG Scourge, anti-Sonic.
@@justice8718she was kind of a meathead even compared to scourge's brutish nature true but at least she has a known reason to be like this, we barely know anything about scourge's backstory other than the fact that he overthrew his worlds king acorn and had daddy issues but he had nothing that made us see why he is this way other than "reverse universe, reverse morals, reverse sonic" And even then, for being sonics evil twin you'd think he would be more of a problem and less of a bully I think he should have been a real main villain or even one of THE main villains, someone you could only beat after a big ferocious fight
@@kenanmeral8891 Scourge honestly makes more sense as a person that Surge. Surge is a looney toons villain stuck being a mockery of the real thing, which is ironic since that idea canonically breaks Scourge's mind.
Idk why but that panel of Tangle rolling down the hill with her tail really makes me want to see a game with these newer characters. Idk her moments just fit so well in a game design aesthetic sense haha
I KNOW RIGHT?!! I thought the exact same thing when I saw it! It's like her own version of a spindash
I would love to see these new characters pop up in the games sometime!
Tangle has learned a new move!
*Tangle Roll!*
Imagine swinging and jumping around. That would be fun
The first time she showed up I thought "That is a design too interesting for just a background character, I hope she becomes important some time"
This notification gave me a jumpscare, I’ve never clicked so fast. YOOOO!! My girl’s got a Speed Reading video by Game Apologist! We win!! 🎉🔔🐑
Edit: 6:48 Lanolin’s small data device is actually a SEGA Dreamcast Visual Memory Unit (VMU)! :]
I kinda wondered with the buttons but it seemed too flat to me!
@@GameApologist Gotta appreciate what kind of little references the artists throw into the world of Sonic that they happen to know, especially ones from ABT.
I mean, same artist who drew Issues 32 and 55 with Eggman packing heat and his weapon is similar to a Gravitational Beam Emitter (GBE) from the manga, “Blame!”
looks nothing like it
@@slimeprivilege Yes it does. Eggman even strikes the same pose after firing it as is done in the anime.
(made a mistake if you were talking about the SEGA Dreamcast Visual Memory Unit)
@Game Apologist didn't even acknowledge the compliment of this comment, only the information useful to him. That's cold
As someone who does have their gripes with the Sally comparisons fans make, I do understand that it comes from
a place of longing for characters that older fans have had a lot of time to attach themselves to, and not necessarily from a place of snobbish nitpicking that other fan bases would be more inclined towards.
My main issue is that, outside of Lanolin, most of these comparisons are of very superficial traits, I mean, people saying Jewel is a Sally clone? How is she? They are decidedly different personality wise, and Jewel isn’t even leading a rebel group, more like a damage control clean up crew tasked with rebuilding places eggman nukes to the ground.
This leaves really only one comparison to be made between Sally and Jewel, which is that they are both leaders of an organization and are both female characters. Really shallow surface level comparison that disservice’s Sally as a character, and only serves to undermine Jewel’s credibility as a distinct character.
Which is why the constant comparisons fans make with Sally and “female character of the week” leaves a sometimes sour taste in my mouth. It’s like some fans can’t let characters share a similar role or archetype, even if they’re as different as can be, fans will reach and they will reach HARD to find a connection and complain the character isn’t original enough and a carbon copy clone of another character that’s been around longer and thus more popular.
Apologies for the rant but it’s been bugging me for awhile and it has absolutely nothing to do with Lanolin. Mainly just people comparing Tangle, Amy, Rouge, and Jewel that irks me to no end.
I agree with you, constantly comparing Sally to any female character in IDW feels annoying if not down right obsessive, I get that Sally is loved by older fans but can you imagine what it's like to be a new one and not like her? I got into sonic because of Unleash and sonic heroes, I always heard of Sally but the Satam cartoon never aired in my country while I was growing up nor did the local comic book in my town sell the Archie comics, everything I knew about Sally and the freedom fighters was told to me by TH-cam I occasionally came across (heck I thought scourge was a fan made character because the idea of a evil sonic that was green and used sunglasses with a leather jacket just sounded... fan made at the time)
I like IDW Sonic, a lot of people do but this constant comparison with Archie just isn't nice, the IDW comics are canon now and that's the reality older fans of the comic have to accept. I saw some toxic behavior from Archie fans (one in particular just felt biased and hateful of the official canon) but while I can't fully blame them for acting this way, I also can't defend them for this unhealthy gatekeeping
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197 same, I only read the post genesis wave Archie comics, I wasn’t really attached to Sally as much as the other characters (hell even Scourge rubbed off on me, all things considered)
But oftentimes the sonic fandom tends to be very particular about what they want and yet also not know what they want either. To the point where it feels like fans don’t actually want new Sonic games, shows, etc.
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they just want to have more of the characters they really like, which is something I can understand and sympathize with. But it’s also kind of annoying how much it happens 😅
Archie fans when new female character release:
I swear they do this every single time, constant comparisons with Archie comic characters are just annoying to me right now. The moment I saw someone compare Saint Geoffrey to Rough just because they are skunks! Most of these comparisons are surface level at best, but since the Archie comics came first and we're around longer, I guess they feel obligated to make these comparisons
I don't want to offend any Archie fan, but the way they talk about bring these characters back just doesn't sit with me. I like the freedom fighters but that doesn't mean I want them back, it feels wrong for me to say that because so many people like them but I am of the opinion that Sonic doesn't need then to work in the modern age and that their time has passed. Hopefully everyone can understand what I'm saying, I don't want to be crucified in the comments for just saying my opinion
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197 ok
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197its fine to disagree and move on
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197are you talking about rouge? Cuz I don’t think she’s a skunk
@@Whatcha_ Rough is a IDW character, he and his brother are skunks with their gimmick being that their are always making rhymes revolving around their names
Example:
"You think you're tough..."
"We're gonna make you humble..."
"Get ready for Rough & Tumble!"
You know, I never considered her to be a Sally archetype...but the people who do must have some...words. Especially after all they've said about IDW Amy.
I don't see a lot of complaints about Amy's character in IDW anymore.
@@Rabbitearsblog yeah, this version of Amy is much more.... mature and grounded than she was way back in the old days.
Sally fans defending the most mediocre character in the franchise
Sally fans are weird to me, but I don't have any nostalgia for Satam or Archie to begin with. I only started reading the Archie comics last year and I don't see what the big deal is, there is good characterization at times but the comic never stays consistent enough or even grounded for it to work, I got confused so many times while reading it and the art style changes didn't help at all. It's like the comic itself couldn't decide what it wanted to be half of the time
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197True. For me, the strongest part of the continuity and art is deffo post SGW
Lanolin has been winning me over.
I still want Sally back though.
Same. They need to back Sally Sonic’s gf because in Archie they had the most romantic moments
I don't. We don't need Sally.
@@sth5697 even if she came back, romance is a big no no, at the very least not with Sonic
@@dantemustdie00 *meanwhile Morio Kishimoto saying that sonic might have a gf in the future* you were saying
@@sth5697 you know damn well it ain't gonna be Sally, Amy is way more likely at this point
Beep that sheep damn it.
Well, it's at least comforting to know Sally and the Freedom Fighters are still remembered by creators as well as fans and they are inspirations for new characters in the comics.
THANK YOU. I SEE HER AROUND SO MUCH BUT NOBODY MENTIONS HER NAME! I'VE SEEN HER FOR MONTHS AND NEVER ONCE SEEN HER NAME UNTIL NOW
You gotta read the comics my man
@@YaBoiPhil dont do it. just dont do it
@@Lampironstudios215 😬
@@ASOtheprO people had enough of Belle for awhile since she already was in like 3 or 4 major arcs as it was. Girl needs a break
And her name comes from the fatty oil on a sheep's wool.
MOM MOM GET THE CAMERA NEW SONIC SPEED READING!
That explains all the suggestive fanart.
19:50 personally, I'm fine with Rings simply staying as non-diegetic elements (a.k.a. stuff that is only acknowledge by the audience and doesn't actually exist in-universe).
Yeah, right? Any attempt to put them in universe has always felt weird to me, outside of maybe the movie cannon, but that's adapting an entirely different kind of ring
Why is whisper so fucking precious... Ugh... I wanna hug her and never let go...
Maggie being paired with Lanolin is definitely a nice touch. This wisp obviously is influenced by sound, maybe the wispon cowbell can create different frequencies to make different effects.
Funny thing is I didn't see Sally headline right away I just saw Sonic speed reading and clicked.
I honestly just hope that SEGA doesn’t try to get rid of these characters, too.
(I don’t know what’s gonna happen with the Freedom Fighters, but I know we’ve still got strong characters no matter what.)
It's SEGA themselves never Embrace SATAM as a Whole.
Ken Penders
@@mroversteer3739 He owns a bunch of literal recolors and not the main cast (the FF)
@@mroversteer3739 He's old news and has nothing to do with SatAM characters.
IDW characters Always find space in spin off and Tangle was mentioned in Frontiers
so yeah, probably they are not going away
She’s not sally, she’s her own thing. Both sally and lanolin are sexy badass leaders. 😈
Lanolin is a sexy badass leader? Sure she is; y'know, minus the "sexy" and "ass" parts!
@@videogollumer she can also run the ones. 😈
Lanolin was also the name of a female sheep in the Jim Davis comic strip "US Acres," and that's the only thing I think about when I see anything related to this new character.
Glad I'm not the only one. I can only assume that since it's been forever since U.S. Acres got any sort of anything, Jim Davis's trademarks have expired. Sega isn't stupid enough to step on Paws Inc.
I'm honestly surprised Ian & Evan got away with it -- MOST Americans of a certain age remember Garfield's Lanolin!
Acre?
It was pretty nice seeing Sonic reflect/feel good working with his crew. Honestly seeing the gang together is always great
Yeah, I always loved it when Sonic is fighting bad guys with his friends!
I miss Sally and will always keep her around in my headcanon, but I don't think we need new characters written to emulate her.
I absolutely agree. I love Sally and the rest of the Archie cast.
Emulate her in 4K
Yep same here!
I'm a diehard Sally fan & personally think Lanolin is a good character with lots of potential. I also like the irony of a sheep being a leader. I just hope it's not foreshadowing for a"sacrificial lamb" moment.
I agree with that last part, solely on the grounds that a hero's sacrifice would be too much dignity for her. She needs to survive, so she can face the consequences of her shameful actions with sincere regret and humility.
@@videogollumer ✌️🙂
There's little to no dignity in sacrifice IMO. It's far more honorable to live for a cause than to die for one.
@@brandonprater4613 Hey, you die as you live. Starline died a loser because he lived as a loser, and he was a loser because he was arrogant and chose a loser as his hero.
Lanolin is kinda like a Starline for Sonic and Friends. She was inspired by them, she became disillusioned to them by their faults, and she automatically started acting like she knew better than them despite being far less experienced; this shows that she is arrogant. Unlike Eggman, though, Sonic and Friends are winners.
Still, her arrogance is what is pulling her toward the path of a loser. It's one thing to make a mistake; it's another to not admit the mistake. Until she can swallow her pride, as Sonic and Tangle did in the near past, the disdain toward her from the fans will continue strong. Some may continue to hate her even afterward, but reasonable people will forgive her if that happens.
@@videogollumer ✌️🙂
I was just saying that sacrifice is (to some degree) tragic & only done out of necessity, it's not supposed to be Plan A. Which is why I agree that Lanolin should deal with her mistakes instead of sacrificing herself for them.
@@brandonprater4613 I never SAID it should be a Plan A! I'm just saying it would be too good for her! She'd get positive recognition for that! I don't want an arrogant bully like her suddenly becoming a hero! She treated Silver, Whisper, Tangle, Sonic, Tails, and Amy HORRIBLY; thinking she knows better when she's less experienced than them and is unqualified to be a leader. She NEEDS to be brought low! She needs to feel HORRIBLE for the horrible things she's done! She needs to feel so horrible that she wants to resign! It doesn't matter whether or not she goes through with it, but it's a display of sincere regret for something horrible that she NEEDS to show. She hurt her friends for no good reason. Is there anything worse a Sonic Hero specifically can do than mistreat a friend?
6:48 that device is likely a reference to the dreamcast memory card, which also as a fun use for the Chao Garden in sonic adventure
Surprised I had to scroll this far too see someone already knew what the device was.
Yeah! I thought “That looks like a VMU.”
Oh I like how earlier Lanolin seen at 26:45 is wearing Amy's classic outfit
R34: alright, lets get to work, folks
I thought the explosion came from Surge, so seeing team Dark was something I wasn't expecting. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Rings don't show up in IDW because they are apparently non-canon in the current continuity, reading between the lines.
Ian first said he didn't see them as anything but game mechanics in several episodes of his podcast. When Prime (which is as canon as IDW) came out he kind of danced around it for a while. Eventually pointing out how the Rings were only in the first episode, flashbacks to those events, and then completely vanished. Seemingly implying that Prime's use of the rings was a continuity error that was fixed but the first episode (and flashbacks to it's time frame) was the exception to it being fixed.
So, it looks like for now rings only exist in the games until Sega changes their minds.
18:15 oh my god I love this, especially Silver's reaction. I think those were the super big annoying mini boss like ones from Heroes? Looks like it, anyways Silver great whenever he shows up in this... you did most of the work... just... how? Love that yeah they are noticing how powerful Amy is, like Mighty sure they're both speed characters... but you don't want to be on the receiving end of one of their attacks... dang... now I want Mighty and Ray to get in on these comics.
Nick this is just a big blanket YES to any time you ask "would you guys be interested in me covering this?"
I love these comics and your way of providing not only your own but also the fandom's perspectives always makes these videos that much more interesting to watch
19:50 On the topic of rings, in the Minecraft Sonic Texture Pack, Gold ore is retextured to be rings. Raw gold = ring fragments and gold ingot = rings. So yes, I do think rings are a natural sonic resource.
Oh that mystery object looks a heck of a lot like the Dreamcast MMUs. They're like Memory Cards, but you can also play small games or manage the memory with the buttons.
3:53
I just noticed Lanolin's left hand is missing in this shot!
14:35
I love how Tangle is drawn here. Her exaggerated cartoonishness gives me Teen Titan vibes.
In IDW Issue 74, she will be eaten alive by Mr. Frog from Smiling Friends at lighting speed
I'm loving Lanolin and hopefully we'll be seeing more of her for a long time!
Nick as a fellow nerd I’ve been waiting for you to cover this
Lanolin is involved in stuff? More Tangle and Whisper? Silver and Blaze are back?
I *REALLY* need to pick up these issues, holy hecc! This is the goodgood!
I gotta say, this Lanolin is WAY more likable than the U.S. Acres Lanolin...but yeah this is yet another character that I'm gonna end up making into a figure isn't it? I can even see how I'd mod an Avatar head for her...One more thing...is it just me or does it look like Adam Bryce Thomas draws the characters notably bustier than average?
Lanolin definitely is drawn this way, lol. The other females' proportions look normal to me.
Acres?
Lani is easily my favorite best girl, shes just so cute and i want to hug her lol
I personally didn't think of Lanolin as a Sally clone, but I do see your point!! Great video as always
It would be a waste to let a well designed character like Lanolin be just a nameless bystander
Female character: *shows leadership qualities*
Nick: SHES JUST RESKINNED SALLY
He is a die hard simpmunk
All jokes aside, I wish people would stop doing these comparisons or at least explained them better. Nick is the only one that at least gives a good or reasonable explanation as to why it reminds him (although it could be him overanalyzing something that might have no relation) I swear Archie fans barely explain why they dislike something while they over explain why they like another thing
Just realized that device that the wisp took high into the air looks similar if not exactly like the Visual Memory Unit(VMU) memory card that is used on the Sega Dreamcast controller!
Silver precising that he CANT freely time travel is actually very intriguing
Makes you wonder how it works and what limitations it has, they will probably never tell us but is fun to think about
I love Lanolin. Not quite as much as Whisper and Tangle (altho I doubt anyone will ever top my two favourite lesbians) but she's a heck of a lot more interesting than the vast majority of the game characters.
I’m pretty sure that thing Lanolin sent up with Whisper’s hover wispon is one of those mini screens for the SEGA Dream ast
Funny enough I’m sure 90% of Sonic fans (Who don’t read comics) don’t even know any of these characters exist
The art on this books is SO GOOD
Also, welcome back Nick!
Well it make sense given the fact that Ian find inspiration in all sonic media espically due to his late run on Archie after the penders fiasco with Sega headquarters
I just like watching your Sonic speed reading. You've shown me why people like Sonic and his friends and even though I'm not a full fan of Sonic I can respect the character and his world much more now. Thank you for that Nick and no matter what I'll always watch your vids.
I'll admit, design wise I do like Lanolin. Glad the comics are working her into the fold.
Thought the Magenta wisp gives a small EMP towards the badniks. Neat idea for a would be game mechanic.
As far the Sally frustration i get it but also understand she may never be brought back. Not down about it of course.
Yknow what, I'm gonna say it. I'm not mad at the comparison, I'm mad that we can't see Sally again and I don't like that Sega thinks they can just replace them
@GameApologist The device at 6:50 appears to be the Dreamcast VMU, it's kind of a neat little detail they put in as an easter egg.
Pretty sure the device she sends up with the wisp is a take on the Dreamcast VMU, screen and button layout match.
The whole “growing city” thing reminds me of Mechagodzilla city from the Godzilla anime trilogy.
I hear Lanolin...
And can only think of Garfield and Friends...
The analysis is my favorite part of speed reading, cause I’ve never watched an IDW one before reading them. Analyzing is the new stuff for me.
It might be just a coincidence. But in this arc, the Diamond Cutters became "ghosts" like Sonic's friends did in Sonic Frontiers.
I wonder if that's connected to Sonic Frontiers in some kind of way.
This man is saying he's right about the lamb being a Sally role and I respect that honestly lol
Y’know what’s something I wished to see in this comic? Sonic and Blaze are parallels versions of each other in parallel worlds, speed-based characters who routinely use their Emeralds to defend their worlds. Likewise, I wished Sonic and Blaze would have very similar mannerisms and would pull the same poses in different scenarios. They do this a little bit but it’s not enough for me
lan may be my fav sonic design in forever
I'm kinda pissed that Penders caused a character purge which then drew the attention of Sega of Japan who caused the removal of the Freedom Fighters from the comics as well. Then the setting was far more nerfed compared to the Archie comics. And Sonic became a celibate man child with his character progression thrown out the window.
I remember lanolin being an earlier character because I got a shirt from a friend that had one of the sonic IDW covers on it and I was like. Who are these people
I love how nebulous the Rhythm Wispon's powers are because no one actually knows how Magenta Rhythm works. 😅
I remember when she showed up the first time. I thought this design is just too good to use once XD
I love the idea of Lanolin she is such and good character and does represent some characteristics from sally like how she wants to protect people and the ones she cares about it will take some time to get use to her since sally has been a favorite of mine but honestly I'm already loving Lanolin
Was Sally the least experienced of her friends? Was she cruel and callous to them? Was she a total nimrod? Did she blindly trust strangers? Was she pompous? Did she act like a "bad cop"? Did she almost get a lot of innocent bystanders killed in a ruthless pursuit of justice? Were her friends unable to trust her be? Did she lack literally ANY AND ALL likable qualities whatsoever?! Are we even looking at the same character?!
26:43
Just now noticing that Lanolin is wearing an outfit that's eerily similar to Amy's classic design... clever lads.
On my day off from school. I wake up to see 2 videos from the goat.
A heads up for issue 59/60 if it doesn't get brought up; according to a recent Bumblekast Mini with KaiZenAmen, Evan spoke too quickly about Shadow's characterization being loosened up. The story had to be re-written after being shipped off to SEGA, including limiting his presence in the story.
So in other words we didnt get Shadows SA2 Personality cuz she ran her mouth? Jeez thanx alot Evan u sound almost like Ken Penders now ya know that same man that tanked Archie Sonics whole Career?
@@somedudewhodraws9377 bruh calm down, something happened that could've very well not even been her fault and you're comparing her to penders??? chill out
@@somedudewhodraws9377 That's a stupid fucking reason to have a rewrite done. Who cares if a comic writer says something? It literally doesn't affect a majority of the fans, SEGA has been holding the comic property in a vice since Archie had their way with it
@@khalewren2734 She needs to be careful as shes under contract and oif she slips up again well I hope she enjoys working at a Mcdonalds soon. Sega does not screw around. They have been alot more strict since the Archie Disaster.
@SomeDude WhoDraws93
You're being really dramatic and also giving Penders way too much credit.
Yay, new Apologist vid!!
I'm hoping that rings being introduced to the IDW series will actually be a big deal. Seems like a neat way to introduce them, rather than them just being a fact of life already, they have an entire story arc about them.
The device the green wisp uses is a sega VMU which would go in the middle of a Dreamcast controller and display little icons depending on the game I think.
Lanolin is a heckin good sheepy (and also cosplay goals) :3 🐑💓
Are you talking about yourself? If so, will the rest of us get to see photos? (semi-lol)
@@Soufriere84 Myself, yes. Photos, no :p
I have to wonder just how many types of animals the folks at Sega have wanted to turn into Sonic characters, but just haven't for one reason or another 🤔
Regarding pairing a sheep and a wolf together, I've said it before elsewhere, and most recently on Jehtt's June 10, 2023 video, but *every* major Sonic team includes an animal and that animal's natural predator, except for Team Dark. For the Hooligans, it's debatable based on what you consider Nack/Fang and Bean to be: weasels eat ducks, but jerboas don't eat birds, and wolves don't often have overlapping territory with woodpeckers.
EDIT: I gave the date to help myself refind that video if needed. TH-cam's search features suck.
14:27... (starts singing a rendition of the opening title sequence) SONIC HEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOES sonic heroooooooes TWOOOOOOOOOOO!!!... I don't know, I know it's not a Sonic Heroes reference, but it must be referencing something, that shot is too... super hero posey to not be something, and especially with Silver and Blaze there, many fans wanting a team of them with (insert whatever 3rd character you want, me personally Metal Sonic or Mighty) if there was a sequel. Real cool screenshot, I love it, very... something.
Great video Nick! Always enjoy my dive further into the ongoing IDW narrative 😊
Eggman probably made these Chaos crystals due to the Chaos Emeralds scattering(again) after the Metal Virus ark, and between Rouge collecting them and the Doc's other projects he hasn't had time to track the real ones down himself.
You know an arc is gonna go crazy when silver shows up because he's here to fix his future
never though about it (since the feats don't compare) but Lanolin being put in Sally's role can be pretty good
Mainly freeing Amy from that (she REALLY didn't fit being the leader for what they showed in the games) but also because a character that could keep up with Sonic AND slow him down (not with romance) is needed; 06 Shadow is pratically dead so yeah ... he is out of question
now let's see what comes from this, always hyped for the future of IDW (hope it lasts long) and these characters (like Sega let me see Tangle in the gamed already)
To me, Sally can never be replaced. The Freedom Fighters predate every single Sonic character with the exception of Sonic, Eggman, and Tails. They deserve some respect and shouldn't be replaced with wanna-bees. SEGA still owns the Freedom Fighters, they should at least be remembered, and not forgotten just because of "Ken Penders This", "Ken Penders That".
I think the problem might be a conflict of interest, while a lot western fans that grew up with the comics and the Satam cartoon want these characters back, most sonic fans around the world didn't. Fans in the UK grew up with Fleetway comics instead of Archie, Japanese fans had the sonic manga instead of Archie not to mention they didn't grew up with Satam since that made for american fans first and not to mention that some parts of the world didn't beginning to gather a sonic fan base until after the Satam cartoon ended. I wish most sonic fans would remember that Sega of America (the one who approved the freedom fighters and the Archie publication in the first place) Is a subsidiary of Sega of Japan and in the end of the day is the Sega of Japan that has a final saying in this
I hope people will understand that I'm not trying to throw hate at them for saying this, but I'm tired of hearing people demand Sega to do this as if the company can't survive without the freedom fighters. You might say that blaming Ken Penders for all of this is an exaggeration, but he put Sega on court because of sonic characters he made and I must assume he not only gave them a bad impression but also made them question if it was worth it or not to keep their partnership with Archie in the first place.
Sega became more restrictive after the whole trial since they didn't want to deal with this sort of deal again (which happened but not to the same extent, ever wondered what happened with mammoth mongol? His creator followed in ken's path and copyrighted the character with Archie not even trying to bring this into court so they let him win) and after the Archie sonic comics began drooping down in sales in a significant enough way, I guess Sega decided that they wanted to start over with a new and likely more reliable publisher that they could have more control of as to make the comics more cohesive to the sonic lore of the modern day, thankfully a good number of writers and artists from Archie were brought into the new project over at IDW with Ian Flynn being the head writer for the beginning of the comic even going so far as to work in the official script of Sonic Frontiers (or to be more exact, the American translation of the script which is no small feat, but I don't know if his script was made first or before the japanese script)
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197 I agree. The Freedom Fighters existed way before most game characters, and Sonic has always been most popular in the U.S. I actually don't want the Freedom Fighters back in a big way, because their characters would be ruined (They already weren't great in Archie's reboot). But my biggest issue is that Japan acts like IDW is some sort of masterpiece, and are trying to put it into the games, but most people don't read comics, I personally dislike IDW, Archie is the longest running licensed comic book of all time, but was only acknowledged when it was cancelled, and it just feels kind of disrespectful. I don't want the IDW characters in the games, but the same goes for Archie. Just leave each medium alone.
@@bowserbreaker2515 I understand wanting the comics and games to be separate but recent events show that the IDW comics are going to be Canon wether you like it or not. I'm happy that they are canon since I like them and would want to see them being canon, but it's fine if you don't like it personally, I just hope you won't become toxic towards people that are happy for it being canon ( being a sonic fan sometimes is bother because all the discourse in the community, interacting with some people without it getting toxic is hard)
But I can honestly see why they would make it canon, the IDW comics are much easier to follow than Archie and are inline to what the games are, hate it or not, the comics were made with the intention of fitting in the sonic lore and universe nowadays. The characters themselves are charming and could be easily adapted into the games with far less problems than the freedom fighters, but that's a question of taste I guess
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197 You can like IDW, but I despise its characters. Not just for Sega treating them like they are all perfect, but for the fact that they just stink as characters. They range from boring to annoying. I've seen many people say they love IDW, but they never give any reasons other than "It's really good". When I see people talk about how great Archie is, they go really in depth about it. To me, it feels more like people like it simply for it not being as complicated. But to me, IDW is to nothing. There are lots of people that when they finally gave Archie the time of day, really enjoyed it. I just want them to re-release the comic, even if it's gone.
Lanolin? The new Sally? Makes sense. After all, in my opinion, Dr Starline (Snivley), Tangle (Bunnie Rabbot), Belle (Nicole), Surge (Scrooge), Clutch (Mammoth Mongul) and Mimic (Shadow’s delusional mad brother, Eclipse).
6:56 the little device looks like the Dreamcast VMU
You know what teams I think be cool for Sonic series if we ever get another Sonic heroes 2?
Team Rose:
Speed- Amy
flight- Cream
Power- Rouge (she started off as a rival to knuckles that could kick wholes in steel, bring that back)
Team immortal beings:
Speed- Shadow
Flight- Gemerl
Power- Omega
All weapons used by bad men that don’t age
Diamond cutters, self explanatory
You uploaded again with Sonic!!! YAY
Also can you please do a video on the annual comic?
The reason why we haven't seen Rings in IDW Sonic is because SEGA has forbade them from using the Rings in a narrative sense.
Judging by one of the mandates, I'm not even sure there's a form of currency, which is weird since the Chaotix are always taking detective jobs for "money".
Gosh I love her design so much
Lanolin was a character in the IDW Sonic series during their Zombot pandemic. I don't think she's a Sally...but she could be pared similarly to her.
7:06 I think it is supposed to be a vmu form the Dreamcast
The item the wisp is carrying away is a Sega vmu that you can plug into a Dreamcast btw