Thanks a million for these videos from start to finish I was skeptical about going under the flywheel at all but with these videos made it child's play and fun! my little evinrude is my pride and joy now
I just ordered this ring and got it in two days. Ring is machined well and it made from aluminum. Frank replies to all emails. Cheap compared to OMC and CDI rings.
When point's shoes are at the top of the highest point of the cam lobe the breaker points should be gaped at 0.02 inches or 0.508 mm. On the points cam there should be word machine stamped into the cam labelled "top". That is highest point of the cam and timing is correctly set when the breaker is gaped with a feeler gauge at 0.020 inches or 0.508 mm. I hope this information helps you.
ok thank you very much for the information and other questions, to set it up as I do when the piston is up and where it should be open platinum himan hanging above the coil?
Is this an alternative to using the timing fixture tool you used on your other video? Or do you have to do both methods, using the timing fixture and the way you did it on this video using feeler gauges? If it's either or which method do you prefer?
They are two separate methods to set the points. Do not combine both. They are both the correct way to set the points timing. The use of the timing fixture allows a more precise timing. Using the feeler gauge is a very long standing method that was used for many many decades. Later in the 1950's mechanics received literature from the product houses and an additional tool (timing fixture) for setting the points. If you have the timing fixture use it. If you have a feeler gauge use it. Both are good methods :)
Are you using the straight-edge to measure each coil a certain distance from a certain point? From where are you measuring and what is the measurement? Thanks for the video!
Not measuring, just using the edge of the "straight- edge" to visually align to make sure they don't overhang the locating surfaces to prevent contact with the flywheel magnets which you can easily and accurately also do by eye and feel, because they don't need to be located with precision.
Hey I have a 53 15hp and it misses at low rpm only cleaned and adjusted everything coils ohms out same as working one would it be points and condenser? Any help would be appreciated
Based on your description, we have to rule out if it is electrical(ignition) or fuel delivery(carburetor) settings. Have you had the motor on the boat on the lake or are you running the motor in a barrel? We are going to go with fuel delivery first. You can get a miss if your slow idle adjustment needle is off. You may have a lean sneeze and this means that you need to adjust your low speed/idle carburetor knob. It is the top knob. When you turn it clockwise(right) it leans the fuel/air mixture. When turn it counter clockwise (left) it richens the fuel /air mixture. Get your motor running as low as you can. When it starts to miss/sneeze, then turn the top knob counter clockwise (left) in about an 1/8 turn segment. Give it about 10 to 15secs to react. Continue to adjust the top carburetor knob unit it stops sneezing/miss and runs smoothly. You can also buy two in line spark checkers to monitor spark firing of the top and bottom cylinder. Do this while the motor is running to see if it dropping spark and identify which cylinder is the problem. If you are still having issues, yell back and I will walk you step by step to evaluate the ignition or the carburetor. Hopefully this is lean sneeze/miss.
Thanks for the quick response I had a spark checker on it and when it misses it shakeslike hell and and you can see there is no spark on the bottom cylinder. I just rebuilt the carb and it's in a barrel thanks again
Great, you identified the spark issue to bottom cylinder. Jeff P, are they the original set of points, condenser and coils? Please stay away from aftermarket points, there have been a lot of quality issues with them. Use OEM(BRP) points. www.marineengine.com sells OEM points and condensers. Go back revisit and reclean those points and reset them. I have had the problem you are having and when I went back and recleaned and set, it resolved the issue. It has happened to us all....fun aye....lol You can also switch points and condenser around. If the condenser/points are bad, then the problem will follow to top cylinder and resolve on the bottom cylinder. (Cost no money to do this and helps rule out parts.) Please let me know the if ignition is original or replaced and what components.
@@cajuncookone they look all original OEM I was thinking the same thing. The strange thing is I can spin the fly wheel by hand and get a good spark on both but once back together same sneeze at low rpm. Think I'll clean it again and switch them up that a good idea thank you and thanks again for you help cheers from Ontario
I might purchase a '76 Johnson Model# is 25rl76e this week and I was wondering if the points can be converted to electronic ignition. I see some are using NOVA II modules. Also, what should the compression be per cylinder? Thanks,
Sims Fishing, Flats Fishing, and Kayak Adventures anything is possible how much money do you want to spend the points are more dependable and easy to work on and cheaper I have a 75 9.9 but I had a 1986 parts motor that had the new style I swapped it over and after a year it wouldn’t start the part that goes under the flywheel went bad the replacement was over 300 so I went back to points lol
What is the circumference of the inside of the ring? I think if I new the circumference I could use a measuring tape to make it work for those of us that might not have the money to buy the ring. Just an Ideal
From here. He does very good work. Tell him cajuncook1 from AOMCI sent you....lol. He is a fellow club member and he makes excellent tools! richardsoutboardtools.com
It's called a coil locating ring. Here is the gentleman that makes it. It used to be Frank's tools, but Richard took over. richardsoutboardtools.com/coil-locating-ring
I'm going to rebuild the ignition on my little evinrude 5.5. The first thing I'm going to do is replace all the pita straight blade screws with Phillips head screws.
If you would like to inquire about purchasing a very reasonably priced COIL LOCATING RING for your 1950's, 60's and 70's OMC (Evinrude, Gale, Johnson) outboard, please use the follow email address. frankstools@verizon.net or go to FRANKS OUTBOARD TOOLS at www.franksoutboardtools.com Cheers, hope y'all have fun working on old outboards!!!
Richards Outboard tools (Franks' Tools has been bought out by Richards Outboards tools) If you would like to inquire about purchasing very reasonably priced vintage outboard tools for your 1950's, 60's and 70's OMC (Evinrude, Gale, Johnson) outboard, please use the follow email address or link to Richard's site. classicomctools@gmail.com or go to RICHARD'S OUTBOARD TOOLS website. www.richardsoutboardtools.com/ Cheers, hope y'all have fun working on old outboards!!!
If you are using sierra coils that ring will NOT slide on like that MOST of the time. Several times that ring was useless on my outboards. The coils WILL NOT move enough to get it on without damaging the laminate on the coils.
Mark, the Sierra coil and points have had quality issues. The laminates are not the appropriate size. Sierra has out sourced to over sea venders that are not doing a good job and maintaining quality, so if the ring can not easily fit them in place, then the machining of the coil's laminates are off.(This can cause damage to the magnet and have offset space alignment between the laminates and the flywheels magnet.) A lot of old outboard hobbyist and mechanics are keeping the old laminates and replacing the coil's cores with the Sierra cores. The Sierra points have caused a lot of issues and are hit and miss. Points and condenser for the OMC outboards are best if purchased by the OEM manufacture.
If you would like to inquire about purchasing a very reasonably priced coil locating ring and other tools for your 1950's, 60's and 70's OMC (Evinrude, Gale, Johnson) outboard, please use the follow email address. frankstools@verizon.net or go to Frank's Tools at mysite.verizon.net/respdyk0/
@@jamessteadman1328 squaring it off. Any straight edge will work. You want the heels of the coil's laminates close enough to the turning flywheel magnets, but not rub and damage the flywheel and coil. That is the purpose of the ignition plate's bosses. Proper line up :)
For coil gap I just use a scrap of aluminum soda can. Cut a thin strip install the flywheel and snug the screws through the inspection holes. Don't screw with a feeler gauge on points. Just "guess" them open then adjust for proper timing. If you don't have a timing tool, the flywheels normally have timing marks on the bottom edge of the wheel, and marks on the front of the mag plate. More gap advances timing, less retards. I use a mag timer there are other ways
I made that video to help a guy many states away that was having a lot of issues with his motor. Did the filming on the fly and in a hurry to help guy who was going on a fishing vacation. I didn't have editing software at the time and downed a freebie to get the job done. I never meant to start a channel, but I am glad it offered help to some. I may consider doing some more videos with better details and editing. Take care
He says use a straight edge and his hand covers everything he is doing. Ok use a straight edge and what? Whats the measurement? Am I the only one with this question...
Joe, the straight edge, like a ruler, is to align the coil's laminates with the ignition plate's boss alignment piece. It prevents the flywheel's magnets from rubbing against the coil's laminate heels and damaging the heels and the magnets. Any straight edge will work. The maker of the ring was added after the video was made. It is not necessary to do the work, but it make it alot easier. I do not make any money on these videos. I made these videos to help a guy that lived a couple of states away, that had ignition and carburetor issues. I did not intend to leave the videos up and forgot about them. When I went to remove the videos, I saw that several people were able to use them to repair their motors, so I left them up. If you do not care for them, you do not have to watch them or be ill mannered about my presentation or editing.
Why cant you use an old flywheel & cut it out in the magnet area so you can adjust an tighten the screws ? Most of the time a business card will work to set the gap. You can find an old flywheels on Ebay cheap.
Exactly what I needed to hear at 6:25 minutes. Thank-you so much for making this very informative video!
Thanks a million for these videos from start to finish I was skeptical about going under the flywheel at all but with these videos made it child's play and fun! my little evinrude is my pride and joy now
I appreciate you taking the time to make these. VERY informative!
Chris, glad these videos could help. :)
Exactly what I needed to adjust the breaker points on my old 3hp Johnson, thanks for the video.
I just ordered this ring and got it in two days. Ring is machined well and it made from aluminum. Frank replies to all emails. Cheap compared to OMC and CDI rings.
What is the circumference of the inside of the ring?
I have a 9.5 johnson that i set the points on an is getting fire an good fuel but still wont start any answers?
can you make a video of how to replace a crank shaft because mine is stripped even the fly wheel nut is totalled lol idk what happened
what extent is the opening of the breaker? I am from Uruguay thanks and regards
When point's shoes are at the top of the highest point of the cam lobe the breaker points should be gaped at 0.02 inches or 0.508 mm.
On the points cam there should be word machine stamped into the cam labelled "top". That is highest point of the cam and timing is correctly set when the breaker is gaped with a feeler gauge at 0.020 inches or 0.508 mm.
I hope this information helps you.
ok thank you very much for the information and other questions, to set it up as I do when the piston is up and where it should be open platinum himan hanging above the coil?
Is this an alternative to using the timing fixture tool you used on your other video? Or do you have to do both methods, using the timing fixture and the way you did it on this video using feeler gauges? If it's either or which method do you prefer?
They are two separate methods to set the points. Do not combine both. They are both the correct way to set the points timing. The use of the timing fixture allows a more precise timing.
Using the feeler gauge is a very long standing method that was used for many many decades.
Later in the 1950's mechanics received literature from the product houses and an additional tool (timing fixture) for setting the points.
If you have the timing fixture use it. If you have a feeler gauge use it. Both are good methods :)
Hi. How do I know which spark wire goes into which spark plug?
Are you using the straight-edge to measure each coil a certain distance from a certain point? From where are you measuring and what is the measurement? Thanks for the video!
Not measuring, just using the edge of the "straight- edge" to visually align to make sure they don't overhang the locating surfaces to prevent contact with the flywheel magnets which you can easily and accurately also do by eye and feel, because they don't need to be located with precision.
Hey I have a 53 15hp and it misses at low rpm only cleaned and adjusted everything coils ohms out same as working one would it be points and condenser? Any help would be appreciated
Based on your description, we have to rule out if it is electrical(ignition) or fuel delivery(carburetor) settings.
Have you had the motor on the boat on the lake or are you running the motor in a barrel?
We are going to go with fuel delivery first. You can get a miss if your slow idle adjustment needle is off. You may have a lean sneeze and this means that you need to adjust your low speed/idle carburetor knob. It is the top knob.
When you turn it clockwise(right) it leans the fuel/air mixture. When turn it counter clockwise (left) it richens the fuel /air mixture.
Get your motor running as low as you can. When it starts to miss/sneeze, then turn the top knob counter clockwise (left) in about an 1/8 turn segment. Give it about 10 to 15secs to react. Continue to adjust the top carburetor knob unit it stops sneezing/miss and runs smoothly.
You can also buy two in line spark checkers to monitor spark firing of the top and bottom cylinder. Do this while the motor is running to see if it dropping spark and identify which cylinder is the problem.
If you are still having issues, yell back and I will walk you step by step to evaluate the ignition or the carburetor. Hopefully this is lean sneeze/miss.
Thanks for the quick response I had a spark checker on it and when it misses it shakeslike hell and and you can see there is no spark on the bottom cylinder. I just rebuilt the carb and it's in a barrel thanks again
I test the condensers and one ohms out lower than the other and that's the same cylinder that is missing
Great, you identified the spark issue to bottom cylinder.
Jeff P, are they the original set of points, condenser and coils? Please stay away from aftermarket points, there have been a lot of quality issues with them. Use OEM(BRP) points. www.marineengine.com sells OEM points and condensers.
Go back revisit and reclean those points and reset them. I have had the problem you are having and when I went back and recleaned and set, it resolved the issue. It has happened to us all....fun aye....lol
You can also switch points and condenser around. If the condenser/points are bad, then the problem will follow to top cylinder and resolve on the bottom cylinder. (Cost no money to do this and helps rule out parts.)
Please let me know the if ignition is original or replaced and what components.
@@cajuncookone they look all original OEM I was thinking the same thing. The strange thing is I can spin the fly wheel by hand and get a good spark on both but once back together same sneeze at low rpm. Think I'll clean it again and switch them up that a good idea thank you and thanks again for you help cheers from Ontario
I have this same motor, there is no spark though, compression yes. Any advice? Thank you!
My advice would be to watch the video.
I might purchase a '76 Johnson Model# is 25rl76e this week and I was wondering if the points can be converted to electronic ignition. I see some are using NOVA II modules.
Also, what should the compression be per cylinder?
Thanks,
Sims Fishing, Flats Fishing, and Kayak Adventures anything is possible how much money do you want to spend the points are more dependable and easy to work on and cheaper I have a 75 9.9 but I had a 1986 parts motor that had the new style I swapped it over and after a year it wouldn’t start the part that goes under the flywheel went bad the replacement was over 300 so I went back to points lol
What is the circumference of the inside of the ring? I think if I new the circumference I could use a measuring tape to make it work for those of us that might not have the money to buy the ring. Just an Ideal
4.5 inches just find a tin can or pipe with that inside diameter.
Does anyone know where I can get a clearance ring from please
From here. He does very good work. Tell him cajuncook1 from AOMCI sent you....lol. He is a fellow club member and he makes excellent tools!
richardsoutboardtools.com
What is the circumference of the inside of the ring?
inside diameter is 4.5inches so circumference would be 4.5 x pi
Saya orang indoneia yang mau saya tanyakan dimana spullnya dibeli mr.
What is the ring called and where can you purchase one?
It's called a coil locating ring. Here is the gentleman that makes it. It used to be Frank's tools, but Richard took over.
richardsoutboardtools.com/coil-locating-ring
Where should the throttle be when your doing this? Thanks good video.
I like to put the throttle at start position. Hope things go well with your motor :)
I'm going to rebuild the ignition on my little evinrude 5.5. The first thing I'm going to do is replace all the pita straight blade screws with Phillips head screws.
and where can one get that ring
If you would like to inquire about purchasing a very reasonably priced COIL LOCATING RING for your 1950's, 60's and 70's OMC (Evinrude, Gale, Johnson) outboard, please use the follow email address.
frankstools@verizon.net
or go to FRANKS OUTBOARD TOOLS at
www.franksoutboardtools.com
Cheers, hope y'all have fun working on old outboards!!!
Where can I get the ring?
Richards Outboard tools (Franks' Tools has been bought out by Richards Outboards tools)
If you would like to inquire about purchasing very reasonably priced vintage outboard tools for your 1950's, 60's and 70's OMC (Evinrude, Gale, Johnson) outboard, please use the follow email address or link to Richard's site.
classicomctools@gmail.com
or go to RICHARD'S OUTBOARD TOOLS website.
www.richardsoutboardtools.com/
Cheers, hope y'all have fun working on old outboards!!!
If you are using sierra coils that ring will NOT slide on like that MOST of the time. Several times that ring was useless on my outboards. The coils WILL NOT move enough to get it on without damaging the laminate on the coils.
Mark, the Sierra coil and points have had quality issues. The laminates are not the appropriate size. Sierra has out sourced to over sea venders that are not doing a good job and maintaining quality, so if the ring can not easily fit them in place, then the machining of the coil's laminates are off.(This can cause damage to the magnet and have offset space alignment between the laminates and the flywheels magnet.) A lot of old outboard hobbyist and mechanics are keeping the old laminates and replacing the coil's cores with the Sierra cores. The Sierra points have caused a lot of issues and are hit and miss. Points and condenser for the OMC outboards are best if purchased by the OEM manufacture.
Where can I get that ring?
If you would like to inquire about purchasing a very reasonably priced coil locating ring and other tools for your 1950's, 60's and 70's OMC (Evinrude, Gale, Johnson) outboard, please use the follow email address.
frankstools@verizon.net
or go to Frank's Tools at
mysite.verizon.net/respdyk0/
cajuncookone thanks
no problem, hope your repairs go well.
@@cajuncookone what are you actually doing with the straight edge? Is it squaring off or a measurement
@@jamessteadman1328 squaring it off. Any straight edge will work. You want the heels of the coil's laminates close enough to the turning flywheel magnets, but not rub and damage the flywheel and coil. That is the purpose of the ignition plate's bosses. Proper line up :)
For coil gap I just use a scrap of aluminum soda can. Cut a thin strip install the flywheel and snug the screws through the inspection holes. Don't screw with a feeler gauge on points. Just "guess" them open then adjust for proper timing. If you don't have a timing tool, the flywheels normally have timing marks on the bottom edge of the wheel, and marks on the front of the mag plate. More gap advances timing, less retards. I use a mag timer there are other ways
Nothing but an advertisement for this ring!!!
Appreciate the video would have been better without the type in the middle of the screen
I made that video to help a guy many states away that was having a lot of issues with his motor. Did the filming on the fly and in a hurry to help guy who was going on a fishing vacation. I didn't have editing software at the time and downed a freebie to get the job done. I never meant to start a channel, but I am glad it offered help to some.
I may consider doing some more videos with better details and editing.
Take care
He says use a straight edge and his hand covers everything he is doing. Ok use a straight edge and what? Whats the measurement? Am I the only one with this question...
Joe, the straight edge, like a ruler, is to align the coil's laminates with the ignition plate's boss alignment piece. It prevents the flywheel's magnets from rubbing against the coil's laminate heels and damaging the heels and the magnets.
Any straight edge will work.
The maker of the ring was added after the video was made. It is not necessary to do the work, but it make it alot easier. I do not make any money on these videos.
I made these videos to help a guy that lived a couple of states away, that had ignition and carburetor issues. I did not intend to leave the videos up and forgot about them. When I went to remove the videos, I saw that several people were able to use them to repair their motors, so I left them up.
If you do not care for them, you do not have to watch them or be ill mannered about my presentation or editing.
@@cajuncookone wHAT IS THE id OF THAT RING??? Thank you!
so etwas müsste auf deutsch sein die info ist nicht schlecht aber leider auf englisch
Why cant you use an old flywheel & cut it out in the magnet area so you can adjust an tighten the screws ? Most of the time a business card will work to set the gap. You can find an old flywheels on Ebay cheap.
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