George Foreman vs Ken Norton | BRUTAL KNOCKOUT Legendary Boxing Fight | 4K Ultra HD
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George Foreman 225 lbs beat Ken Norton 213 lbs by TKO at 2:00 in round 2 of 15
Date: 1974-03-26
Location: El Poliedro, Caracas, Venezuela
Referee: Jimmy Rondeau
Judge: Jose Juan Guerra
Judge: Angel C Tovar
World Boxing Council Heavyweight Title (2nd defense by Foreman)
World Boxing Association Heavyweight Title (2nd defense by Foreman) - กีฬา
I think it's a disservice to say Foreman "wasn't a good boxer" Nothing could be further from the truth. He was a highly intelligent fighter who used some unconventional techniques (pushing, hand control, clinching) to overwhelm his opponents. And had a very underrated jab as well.
Yea he had mentals wit them hands lol 😂😂
He had one of the best jabs ever❤
He wasn't a good boxer. Most of what he did was stand there and take power shots at his opponents. Not much strategy until his older years.
@@theforce5191even his older years he would just eat shots and just try to overpower his opponent lol
@Dreamy8900 he was more strategic. Especially since he didn't have youth on his side. Let's be real here, George never really bobbed and weaved, lol. He's a fucking tank.
At the 5:25 make, broadcaster say, "Norton is in Queersville. He doesn't know where he is." Ah, such innocent days when words meant different things.
'Twas a gay old time.
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Lol
Semper Fi.....@@USMC-cv5sd
@rfleming1001
Same to you, brother.
Can you name 3 Marine Corps Heavyweight Champs ??
@@USMC-cv5sd I can only think of....Tunney and Spinks
Foreman was too scary that Night
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True. In addition to his other awesome attributes, this night he was also patient, calculating and precise. I’m not sure anyone could have beaten Foreman that night.
@@porridge57muhammad ali comes in while being 32
@@porridge57OHHHH yes!!! His name was, MOHAMMED ALI TOO !!😂😂😂😂
@@JabEdits567Nearly 33 actually, vs a 25 year old George, who was in the peak and prime, of his personal and, his physical fitness!!!, As men stop growing at 25, and, Ali took everything big George could hit him with, bided his time, went BANG BANG BANG BANG BANGGGGG!!!😂😂😂And George went out like a Phillips lightbulb!!!,
Young Foreman was so mean and scary looking, and the 40 plus Foreman was so lovable, cracking jokes and selling grills...what happened? Did he quit drinking whiskey at the age 40? lol
He became a new man the night he fought Young and lost. It happened right after this fight. Foreman said it changed him forever. In fact he retired for 10 years before coming back.
Foreman had a near death experience after one fight and became a Christian and his life totally changed.
Man, Foreman walked Norton down even after knocking him out.
Foreman never gets enough credit for his balance. From Norton to Moorer, how many times did he walk down skilled boxers and throw enormous hooks while maintaining constant leverage?
His transfer of balance was incredible
His stiff jab was the key to it all. If you can throw and land a good jab, you are naturally in position to unload a balanced, devastating shot. And once he rocks you that first time, with his power… it’s target practice from there on out.
15 round fights back in the day, those were the good days especially for heavyweights
Gold medal in the ‘clueless commentator’ Olympics. “The first round is very even”, as Foreman comes forward like a relentless bulldozer, throwing bombs, while Norton desperately tries to avoid them.
just a matter of time before Foreman catches him with one of those big punches!
Big uppercuts
@@ElTerribleProductionALI!!!!, TOOK ALL OF THE, UPPERCUTS!!!, "OUT OF BIG GEORGE"😮😮!!!!!, With far more than enough time!!!, to have landed at LEAST,!!!,😮, another!!!, "3 or 4 fully legal", MORE!!!, " hits on George too"!!!!, But, Ali!!!, "WAS FARRR TOO GOOD OF A SPORT"!!!, "Than to have hit him"!!, any more xs!!!!, A nearly 33 year old Ali, vs a, NEARLY, 25 year old GEORGE!!!, "At!!, HB and in", "THE 💯 Peak"!!, of his career!!!, And, "George had not gone", or his, "former opponents, had not lasted", 'ANY MORE, THAN"!!, about 3 or ,4 rounds, vs George, In his last, "dozen", or so fights.... BEFORE HE MET ALI!!!😂😂😂😂
Tell that to Jimmy Young.
Hardest hitting boxer to ever live imo
Earnie Shavers says hi
@@afridgetoofar1818 Ernie Shavers only got flowers by people who hated Big George. So nah... pure cap
Sonny LIston
Th night train
@@stwillz01 wtf does that even mean? people that had fought both shavers and foreman all said shavers hit harder. people that actually saw the fights in person, like Bert Sugar, said the same. Foreman said he was scared of Shavers and wasn't ever going to fight him.
The great Ken Norton struggled with the power punchers because of his lack of distance management. He inevitably would absorb some of the hardest punches from the hardest punchers in history. The amount of uppercuts he would take is something I blame on his training and his trainers.
That was a gangster move the way Foreman walked over and stared a hole through Norton as the fight was stopped and his corner was trying to help him out.
Kind of classless, though. Also, Foreman hitting Norton as Norton was falling. Ali didn't hit Foreman when Foreman was falling.
@@57highland And Foreman wonders why no one likes him in the late 70s when he fought Jimmy Young. There was a reason people were rooting on Young to beat his ass. Obviously he's a different guy today but back then I didn't like him at all because of these classless acts, not to mention a lot cheating in the ring as well.
@@kevtn8 Foreman could hit hard and he had some very basic boxing skills. But since he hadn't gone the distance too many times (or had never), he was definitely going to have a hard time with Ali, who went the distance quite a few times. Big punching power like Foreman has can be a double edged sword. You knock a lot of opponents out inside of three rounds, but that causes you to not develop into a.fighter who, like Ali, can easily go fifteen rounds like it's nothing.
@@kevtn8lol Ali literally compared Frazier to a gorilla but Foreman is 'classless'. Ali is probably the heavyweight champion who had used the most dirty tactics. Holding behind the neck is the worst thing you can do in boxing. I would even say Young's head outside the ring during his fight vs Ali is not as bad as Ali's tactics to prevent someone to throw punches.
@@tloustrats I hear what you're saying and you're entitled to your opinion. The fans and media back then were rooting for Young to kick Foreman ass for reason.
Getting hit by Foreman back then must've been like getting run over by a dump truck with a boxing🥊 glove stuck in its grill.
Foreman's def was so good, he used feints, grabs, trying up, shifting his position, just really good. Plus we share the same birthday, lol
I liked his faints, and change of positions. George was better than what most people give him credit for. But needed to work on his defense, conditioning, also throwing punches when off balance, wasn't a good thing as well.
Foreman would run through the modern heavyweights without going to the 6 round. For me, he was the most terryfing HW of all time. Absolute beast of a man.
Yes he was a monster.
He would get Koed. Look at Ngannou, he hit harder than Foreman. But had no techniques. So got sleeped 😊
@@Jesus....Christ....Nigga.... What? Foreman is the hardest puncher in the history of boxing. And one of the best boxers with better technique
how do you think he would match up against tyson fury or wilder
@@goldengames7625 He was better than Fury or Wilder
Another incredible quality filmed fight from 1974. This and the Ali Foreman fight, amazing video and sound quality.
George was literally a predator stalking his prey for the first minute of the match.
Foreman is his prime a COMPLETE total monster. Made both Norton and Frazier look like amateurs.
I thought Norton froze that night he is a much more talented fighter than we saw.
He is very talented, but I never thought he had great fight IQ and didn’t respond to damage well.
Foremans power was devastating, Kenny was backing up to counter him and George knocked him good and once George hurt a man he went to destroy them back in them days. His comeback he wasnt so brutal.
I think if they fought after Ali beat Foreman it would've been a different fight. Not saying KN would've won, but it might have been a closer or better fight.
The issue of Norton/Frazier is that they can't go inside with Foreman. They fear his strong punch. Since their Technics are limited to fighting inside only they loose their style against Foreman. And Mohammed Ali is an hypocrite trying to support by all mean Norton against Foreman. The error of Foreman against Ali was not being too patient as he was here.
@@hbnet309 -Joe had no choice but to go inside against George, he was shorter and so was his reach, not only that but it was the only way he knew how to fight was to blaze away inside, Joes fearlessness is what got him crushed in the 1st fight. Ken on the other hand had no reason to go inside and trade with George, his height and reach were virtually the same as George, plus i think Ken was a bit faster, but Nortons fight was to counter George's punches which he was doing to some degree till he left his head lingering and open and George caught him with a solid shot. Then we know what happens when george connects he keeps connecting unless you can clinch and hold him like Ali did, Norton couldnt keep him off him and Joe didnt bother as he lost his temper and started firing and missing with his timing way off from the effects of Georges bombs.
After kayoing Norton, Foreman for some reason thought... Hey, i like that cross gaurd technique. Think ill use it.
He sure did! Not to mention Archie Moore, his old time trainer, also had that cross guard technique
Shiii I didn’t know there was such a tank as Foreman. Real Champion for sure.
One of the biggest mysteries in sport. Foreman brutally beat both the men who gave Ali his toughest fights and yet Ali knock Foreman out. What was also surprising to me was why there was no Ali v Foreman 2.
Because Ali kicked his ass
rope a dope
It's not a mystery at all, just watch the fights and you can see why. Ali gave Foreman a total lesson in boxing. Foreman beat people by overpowering them and knocking them out and no one could do that to Ali. Foreman was very lucky he never fought an Ali of the 60's, the same guy who made Liston look like a clown, and Liston would back Foreman up during their sparing.
Norton and Frazier were Ali's counters in more ways than one so it was different with them.
ali was way too old to keep fighting for a second fight with foreman; he was already past his prime when he fought foreman
Ali was more clever his technique was better and had great stamina which makes him superior than foreman
Norton was afraid of Forman (and most fighters were)....you can see it in his eyes. No confidence he was going to win the Heavyweight title.
Norton was a good defender and could take a punch, but his great weakness was that, once he had his bell rung, he was helpless, defense totally gone. This was the only time that happened in his prime, but he had several fights toward the end of his career (Shavers, LeDoux, possibly Cooney) where the same thing happened
Foreman appeared to be more than 7 lbs. heavier than Norton.
He was 12 lb heavier. 212¾ to 224¾.
He also looked like the taller fighter, even accounting for Norton having a more crouched stance.
More like 27lbs
There's no maximum in the Heavyweight class.
Big George had a very underrated jab
3:35 So much for the Power of Positive Thinking
Napoleon Hill never had to fight George Foreman.
Foreman knocked the soul out of Norton. he didn't even know where he was .😂😮.
I don't think he'd have been happy to learn he was in Queersville
As great as Norton was, he didn’t have great fight IQ and was susceptible to being overwhelmed.
The commentator literally pissed me off by saying my man is not a good boxer... Nobody packed a punch like Forman did in his prime. Not even Tyson, Smoking Joe or Liston... A big fan of the great man! 💯❤
Forman is monster legend🔵
Incredible - all comes to cement Ali's standing as the GOAT
In hindsight it seems strange that there was never a Foreman-Holmes fight even though they were exactly the same age. It would have been a classic, George trying to walk though a tsunami of nasty jabs to get to his guy, Larry trying to wear him down before he could.
This fight was scheduled once...in 1999. Foreman retired just before Holmes truly hit his stride, and the stars never quite lined up. Sadly, we'll never know who would have won...in the '70's or the '90's.
he retired knowing that quick jab from larry would get him, IMO.
@@atheistleopard7671 One of the reasons that Ali beat Foreman was the constant left jab. Plus Ali was equal to Foreman in height and reach and far superior to Foreman in speed and boxing skill. If Sugar Ray Leonard had been a heavyweight (a natural heavyweight) with height and reach equal to Foreman, he too would have KO'd Foreman with speed, boxing skill, and smarts.
Unfortunately Larry turned pro to late (mid 1973). Larry started to be a serious contender by 1977 when George was retired, Joe too & Ali starting to slow down a lot.
However, based on troubles Shavers gave to Larry, I don't see Larry winning. In his prime years, I don't recall a fight where an opponent got knockdown by Foreman and survived more than 5 rounds after this knockdown.
If Foreman managed to knockdown Larry early, he would have capitalized exactly as he did in this fight with Norton. For me Larry was too conventional to beat this version of Foreman who was cutting the ring too well.
@@nsr60ster85not really the fight in 1999 did not take place because of money. In the contract signed back then, both fighters were guarenteed to receive a check by a date and they never received it
George goes over to Norton's corner and taunts him as the fight is being stopped. Foreman in beast mode, no mercy.
foreman was always on the offensive, imagine that Liston was the only one to make him back off
He would’ve ko’ed Liston too
@@gaa_sonofgodno because the only person to ever truly dominate Liston was the only person to dominate him.
@@jacerivera7907 What I’m saying is that Foreman would’ve ko’ed Liston, they both had incredible power in their punches, but Foreman had a granite chin Liston wouldn’t have been able to hurt Foreman.
@@gaa_sonofgod I think Foreman was probably a bit stronger than Liston too. But Liston in his prime would've made Foreman work.
@@funkster007 idk bro, I just can’t see Liston taking punches from Foreman, I mean foreman was probably a harder puncher than Mike Tyson look what he did to Joe Frazier. I just can’t see it.
George had the real killer instinct. The more hurt his opponent got, the meaner George got.
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You can see why Ali never gave Big George a second chance. Ali's strategy was beautiful in the jungle bout, but no way was George going to fall for anything like that again. You can see in this Norton fight how George normally was much headier than he would be seven months later in Kinshasa. He simply let Ali get under his skin. Had he fought Ali in October the way he fought Norton the previous March, that fight might have gone a lot differently. Big George was a much smarter fighter than he is given credit for being by many.
Foreman didn't lose to Ali because he (Foreman) was not smart. He lost because Ali is fast and accurate with his punches and because he (Foreman) absolutely hated getting punched in the face, a problem against Ali because Ali would hit you a lot in the face. Foreman had never been hit in the face as many times as he was versus Ali. It took the heart out of him, getting his face tattooed so repeatedly.
You're daydreaming if you think Ali won't get the same result in the rematch. All you need to do is go watch Foreman / Young fight. At worse that was how Ali rematch would have gone. I think Ali would have taken Foreman out sooner. His ring IQ is on another level.
@@kevtn8with no holding behind the neck and no loose ropes I can tell it would have gone differently. Plus if we talk realistically, Foreman would have fought Ali late 1977. Three months later Ali lost against an unknown LHW... Let's be honest this would have been a beating
Big George Foreman in his Prime🥊🥊
All right, it's been said that Joe Louis was a great jabber...Rocky Marciano said this. If you watch George Foreman he is a great jabber, but not only that he threw a terrific right uppercut that he learned from Rocky Marciano. Foreman described Marciano as being relentless!
Good thing Norton had Ali in his corner with all that brilliant Coaching
Ken Norton was a heck of a fighter. Scoring a win over Muhammad Ali is pretty good. Once Forman got the fists going he was almost unstoppable. That right hand is unbelievable.
Taking a body blow from Foreman had to feel absolutely horrible
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Great upload thank you. Unfortunately for Norton he had some glass in his jaw which is fatal against big punchers like Foreman and and Clooney
Foreman looks like he’s swing a sledge hammer.
Imagine 40 year old George Foreman's mind in his younger body. Not even Ali would've stood a chance.
1:14 that first jab from Foreman did it. Ken never recovered. Fierce!
BEAST!!!
Norton could fight backing up! Same thing happened to him when fought Shavers!
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@@EnterpriseNCC-1701 My mistake, yes Norton could not fight backing up!
@@11855alannot against the real punchers, he’d get intimidated it seems?
Shavers had that effect on opponents.
Norton could effectively complete with boxers( Ali, Holmes and Young for example) but essentially no match with sluggers( Forman, Shavers and Cooney). Nevertheless, l was and still a Norton fan, may he rest in peace, a class act and a true sports gentleman.
I think your analysis is highly biased. You have to consider the context over Norton loss against Shavers and Cooney.
After his loss to Larry, Ken admitted himself that he had nothing left for boxing. In other words, his motivation was gone. This is the most dangerous thing for a boxer. He was also starting to age. Let's recall he was 36 in his fight against Holmes back in June 1978.
He was 37 against Shavers who was probably in the best year of his career. A 1976 or before Norton would have won easily against Shavers however.
Next against Cooney, he was almost 40. Absolutely no conclusion can be taken from this fight. It's like saying 'Marciano knocked out Joe Louis so Joe Louis has problems against swarmers'. This just makes no sense.
Not to mention Norton did beat some sluggers back in the days. That night in Venezuela he was just facing one of the heaviest puncher in boxing history.
In a battle between two power punchers, the most powerful puncher won handily
Foreman was a monster. It’s remarkable that Ali outfoxed him.
Fue de antología esta pelea de estos Titanes del Ring en el Poliedro Venezuela; todo un espectáculo; tiempos de la Gran Venezuela...!
Foreman é força bruta, incrível!
That referee wanted Norton dead!!
Foreman saw this guy was scared from the beginning of the first bell. He sensed a knockout how he followed him around ring
The backwash of a Foreman punch would've knocked me out!
Kudos to 2 great warriors but Foreman was just too good for a brave Norton that night.
Mammamia che potenza...
Ken Norton is another fighter Mike Tyson would have avoided... I also think if Tyson had of came out in that 70s era with all those fighters he might not have been the dominant personality we all know of him... There was a hell of a lot more fighters in the 70s than the 80s and 90s !!!
Foremans jab like a hydraulic ram🥊🥊
Référee seems want to continue the fight …
Norton had amazing physique
George is a different human being. As a kid, I remember boxing experts saying if you can’t take a punch, you never learn how to. Foreman was KO’d by Ali, dropped 2-3 times against Lyle, yet in his comeback no one could knock him out or down. Not prime, Holyfield, Morrison. Nobody.
He was as big as a whale during his comeback. That's why no one could knock him out at that point.
Norton was clearly the much better skilled boxer here...but all it takes is one or 2 good punches from Foreman........Norton had a way better approach than Frazier.
“Both men exactly the same size, Foreman just seven or eight pounds heavier…” Huh? And Foreman is also an inch taller. But if you don’t have that information, just use your eyes, man!
He was listed at 6'3 most of his fights in the 70s, but when he came back in the 80s and 90s he was always listed at 6'4, even without hair. He is clearly an inch over any 6'3 listed fighter.
@@michaelmohrle1773 Exactly. And like I said, no matter what's listed on the sheet of paper in front of you... look up. One man is a man, the other is a mountain.
@@anonymouslakernerd7214 He was listed at 6'4 vs Joe Frazier on the Don Dunphy broadcast, Don states George is 6'4. Not sure how he was lowered in height after that especially with the big hair in the 70s.
Ali was there that night saying Foreman was a Bad fighter😂.End of the day He made him look like a normal slugger but He was saying that Norton was gonna knock him out.Three legends at one place.Nortons style was a real trouble to Ali but hard hitters were the biggest weakness of Norton.Shavers knocked him out could in 1, Foreman knocked out him cold at 2.Love your videos man!
Cooney almost killed him.
@@evanbarr9270 Yes, thanks to Tony Cortez the referee. It's incredible that Norton didn't die that night!!!
@@evanbarr9270Yeah,He was a hard hitter too.
Gerry Cooney almost killed Kenny.
" Ken - ny Nor-Ton " .... Boxing's "greatest paper champion ". Was so happy that George knocked him out.
This was such a great time for boxing expecially the heavy weight division. I think in any other time Norton would've been champ for some time. He matched up will with Ali and had some great fights but was no match for Foreman. Nothing to be ashamed of though.
Annihilation! Foreman was going to kill Norton if the ref didn't stop it! 😂😂 even after the ref stopped it, he still had to stop Foreman from hitting him some more. 🥊🥊🥊The young mean wrecking machine version is my favorite! If I ever meet him, I would tell him that. He's one of my faves of all time.
The ref looked like he wanted Norton to continue. Ridiculous.
@jaymike3302 no the fuck ref didnt! 😭😭😭 he saved Ken's life!! Lol, you must've been high watching this clip.
@@richardmccormick859 Why didn't the ref wave it off, wave his arms, when Norton was down the last time. He kept counting for about 15 seconds...and looking undecided.
@@jaymike3302 you're too caught up in what every ref didn't do or suppose to do. If I tell you the fight is over like he told Foreman. I don't need to wave my arms. Foreman was coming to knock Norton head off while he was laying down in the ropes. Lmao arm waving was pointless at that final moment of the knock down.
@@richardmccormick859 Yeah it's not a big deal. Nothing happened.
I regard Big George as Greatest heavyweight of all time
2 physical specimen in the ring .Norton was ripped Foreman was built like a Hulk
Poor refereeing yet again. Foreman hit Norton on 2 occasions after the ref got in-between them to give Norton a count. On the second occasion he didn't give Norton any count and so he was still in no fit state to defend himself. I don't for one minute think it altered the ultimate outcome of this fight but it's still sloppy standards!!!
Yeah. And what was the ref waiting for at the end? It's like he didn't know it was over.
It was dangerous for sure.
Right, Norton was clearly knocked down but the ropes prevented him from hitting the canvas. No excuse for the ref not giving him a count. You would think that the ref in a world championship fight would be at least somewhat competent.
@@brock2k1 If the ref gave him a eight count do you think Norton would have won or would it just have prolonged the fight another 8 seconds?
@@phoebus Obviously Norton couldn't win, but he might have cleared his head a little bit. It's accessory to murder for the ref to send a semi-conscious man back out to Foreman.
True heavy weight fighting
Foreman just kept moving forward. The guy was a freight train with gloves on.
The referee needed to stop the fight, Norton was in LaLa land, at least Norton's corner threw in the towel.
Ali was telling him to throw the right hand more which could have altered the outcome of this fight for Kenny as each time he threw it landed
Easier said than done.
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Yes, it was
Its exactly what Ali did in Zaire he landed the right-hand lead multiple times and frustrated George.
Lead right hands is what won it for Ali for sure. Foreman ate them all night and especially at heavyweight where ali was not considered a power puncher it doesn't matter who you are, you'll go down.
@@e-musickvance3581it’s what Ali did in Zaire.
What was the music the video before pleaseeeee
The announcer kept saying foreman likes to push...that was against Frasier, because Joe liked to get inside so George would push him away...it was a tactic for Frasier. Norton didn't fight that way.
Fifty Years ago .. George is still active
i dont think foreman was taunting him i think he was trying to see if he was ok after
There was nothing he could do for Norton if Norton wasn't OK. Foreman was not the ring doctor. He walked over to Norton, glared at him, and then raised his arms in victory. Not the appearance of a fighter who is concerned that he hurt the other fighter. Foreman was just upset because Norton hit him in the face a few times. Foreman hated getting hit in the face. That's why he lost to Ali.
Norton makes all of today's heavyweights look like they've never been in a gym, and he got totally dominated by Foreman!
And never lifted weights. All genetic.
He the undertaker of boxing
For some reason the referee couldn’t see that Ken Norton, at the end of the ten count, was in no shape to continue fighting. His corner was trying to get the fight stopped, but the ref would have none of it.
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I'm glad glad Gorge knocked out Norton one of my favorite fights of all time.
In my own opinion I think Norton is scared of Foreman's power in this fight, he is constantly retreating backwards like when he fought with heavy punchers like Shavers. Whereas with light but accumulating punchers like Ali, Norton is aggressive in attacking and always moves forward.
Both Frazier and Norton were trained by Eddie Futch. The cross guard was ideal for countering boxers like Ali but power hitters like Foreman just blasted through it. It’s instructive that Jimmy Ellis (a lesser boxer than Norton or Frazier) beat Foreman by frustrating and wearing him down.
Jimmy Ellis never fought Foreman. You mean Jimmy Young?
he won the title again at 45 ,surely that will never be equalled
Foreman's uppercuts are devastating
It's crazy to think just how Foreman dealt with Frazier and Norton just before facing Ali. No wonder no one gave Ali a chance lol. Made Ali's win the greatest period!
You can tell George gave ken a lot of ring respect 👍
thats power,,with those hands you can even walk down kingkong
Damn, he didn't have to hit him while he was already going down
prime George was mean. don't let his tall tales fool you.
@CahyaTroy Oh, I know. He was a very mean boxer in his younger days. This was just one example of many to me.
Another heavyweight championship fight hits its 50th anniversary. Next up: the Rumble in the Jungle.
When boxers fought 3/4 times a year not like today's fighter's who fight once a year
I was a sophomore in high school.
Foreman was throwing shots with BAD intentions back then
Later on George went on to make
the George Foreman Grill
I have to say I was too scared, Foreman beat me up pretty good that night.