Does World's Largest Nickel Miner Need To Choose Between China And US?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- Fueled by heavy Chinese investments, Indonesia is keen on leveraging its nickel to become Southeast Asia’s leading producer of electric vehicles (EVs).
As the world’s top miner of nickel, a crucial part of EV and lithium batteries, Indonesia banned nickel exports in 2020 - a controversial move that prompted foreign investors to set up more smelters in the country and drive up its metal export value.
Besides this, Indonesia has partnered with automakers from South Korea’s Hyundai to China’s BYD to set up EV assembly and battery factories in the archipelago. In late 2023, it even announced a joint agreement with the United States to develop a critical minerals pact - with an eye on future limited free trade with American subsidies that could benefit its locals.
00:00 Indonesia Morowali Industrial Park
01:38 Forging a Sino-Indonesian partnership
02:42 Indonesia's nickel export ban
03:26 Nickel as the new ‘gold’
04:30 President Jokowi’s EV ambition
06:12 Navigating geopolitical tensions
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Why did Tesla canceled their investment in Indonesia ?? because Elon Musk couldn't follow Indonesian laws especially about technology-transformation, plus they asked for higher sharing profit ... thus making Indonesia has better business relation with China, bc China agrees to follow Indonesia's regulations
So, it's not about which country closer to Indonesia, but about which country gives 50-50 profit between investor and Indonesia
Memangnya Tesla mau bagi hasilnya berapa?
@@billjourney999tesla tidak mau ikut peraturan yg di tetapkan pak jokowi silakan cek video pak luhud
@@billjourney999 perhaps 80% for US while 20% for Indonesia. Just like what they usually offer the Philippines
@@erenyeagerist7681 Rugi dong. Gapapa lah, lagian yang sekarang gencar EV kan dari China juga ujung-ujungnya
@@billjourney999tesla gak memenuhi syarat 60 persen tkdn lokal dia mau nya bangun pabrik tapi tehology di buat di luar negeri
This nickel is going to make Indonesia into a very rich country similar to the oil did for Saudi Arabia.Indonesia is not a small country like Singapore.Indonesia can trade with any country without picking sides.
Indonesia is the main producer in ASEAN. In terms of production, growth rate , GDP is number 1 is indonesia.
In a decade , indonesia cities will be more advanced, developed and high-tech than India cities.
With Indonesia mass population, young workforce and has oil gas and minerals, Indonesians will be the most important market in ASEAN.
But still no where close to Saudi. Saudi is on a different level that even China, EU and US won't be able to compare.
Fun fact:
Saudi king gets 10 billion USD allowance per year that is equivalent to all world president, prime Minister, kings and queen combined.
UAE is number 2 about $5 billion a year
even if Indonesia dont want to pick sides, it can be pressured by a powerful country like US
@@leexingha tell me how?China is Indonesia's largest trading partner not the US.
@@esashaik1372 Indonesia being sued by EU in WTO because ban export nickel ore, nickel not just for EV but also to make stainless steel..
@@esashaik1372 So its feel like, "I don't want to sell it to you, but you sued me because I am not selling it raw." So Indonesian feel like being bullied by western?
Normal Chinese people simply do not even expect anyone to be forced to choose just one between China and US.
The whole "Either with me, or against me" mentality is very Western. And of course the mentally colonized Asians also adopted this divisive framing.
Then you are stupid..
"Western"?
@@dompretcloud2 Yes, WESTERN. From Bush's "Either with us or against us" to Blinken's "If you're not at the table then you're probably on the menu". Very Western.
I don't think tribalism is a western concept mate
@@notusneoIt's not just tribalism, it's the fact that the West can't accept neutrality.
Bush:"with us or against us"
Blinken: "at the table or on the menu".
You can't even see the problem. Your worldview is a binary black or white, ignoring the big swathe of grey in between.
US seeks for its own national interest all the time, why can't other countries do the same? Indonesia does not have to choose between the China and US, China and US have to make their own choice if they want to work in Indonesia. US needs to stop trying to 'Americanize' other countries.
The US always want to control the world. It is super annoying and horrible. They create all kinds of crisis every single time. Let the US take back their battle ships and defense camps all across the world. No more US interference!
For real tho
Indonesia isn't choosing between China or the US, Indonesia is choosing its own national interest. Indonesia want investors to build the nickel industry in Indonesia to bring more jobs. The US companies don't want to do that, while the Chinese are enthusiastic to do that. Indonesia never ban the US from investing. Now the US is supporting the traitorous opposition factions in Indonesia to change the policy, now who is interfering with Indonesian politics? For China, it doesn't matter, China will benefit anyway whether Indonesia require foreign companies to open smelting factories in Indonesia or not. Even if the law is repealed, China can still buy the nickel in open market, maybe that will be even more beneficial to China.
In order word, the U S is very evil. Huawei had been doing business with U K for more than 20 yearrs; they were about to install Huawei's 5G, then the U S told them to tear down the Huawei's 4G and don't install Huawei 's 5G. Now Huawei doesn't have any business with the U K anymore. Whenever the Chinese company or companies are succeed in their businesses, the U S tries to find the way to destroy them.
racist US will never care about the asians. history & time told, US only form relationship with certain asian countries for its geopolitical interest. this is no brainer. if i were Indenesia, i would be wary esp on a country that has been part of colonizers
Making Indonesia happy is priority for China
They really need friends in the region
@@janaska7643 Are you kidding ? Doesn't the U S need friends in the region more than China ? Have you already forgotten that the Southeast Asian region had been suffered a lot from Western Colonism and then the America Empire, AKA the Vietnam/American War in 1950s to 1970s ?
@@themiddlekingdom9121
US has already Japan, South Korea, Australia, Phillipines might be in process and they are really trying to get Taiwan.
So China really need Indonesia to become reliable partner
If we have to choose,, we better cooperate with China rather than US..😂😂🤭
😅😅 🫰🏼
Why people ask about Indonesia side with China or US ?
INDONESIA Side with INDONESIA National Intrest.
if you want to work with Indonesia, we are open for business.
on Nickle issue,So far mostly china willing to cooperate, while European and the west are suing Indonesia in WTO instead...if EU and US willing to cooperate like China, we Indonesian will welcome with open arm.
Military and security, Indonesia work with EU like French, UK and also US, because china SCS issue.
as simple as that.
china EV battery technology is 10-15 years ahead from the US and europe
Many nickel smelter factories in Europe have collapsed, one of which in Canada is reported to have gone bankrupt.
Based on national media research, one of them resulted in Indonesia stopping exporters of nickel rare earth raw materials, so that Indonesia was reportedly sued by western countries several times through the WTO for stopping imports of raw materials.
Let's see whether the next elected president of Indonesia will still be in line and have the same thoughts as the current President of Indonesia.
Well, with Prabowo has been chosen by Indonesian people as the next president (according to quickcount), this policy definitely will continue.
How can Canada is in europe....do you really know geography
😂 Canada is in North America not in Europe lol
@@aguspurwanto5524 indonesia krisis membaca, baca lagi "one of which is in canada" maksudnya itu factorynya canada
East Asia does not need warmongers.
They just take natural resource and make indonesian more poorer
who?
East Asia@@yuniantosuwarno2439
Huh?
east Asia@@slickimz223
With the current condition, Indonesia don’t need Tesla. Indonesia have many investors for EV, and their prices are much cheaper compared to Tesla. Malaysia can have Tesla, we have option.
Good statement
Tesla in Malaysia is only sales office not factory
yep now indonesia have hyundai, wuling and byd, who need tesla here?
@@elninoes2283benar kita juga di tawarin tapi di tolak sama pak luhut katanya ngapain kita cuma jadi agen penjualan doang
Indonesian: "We welcome you all except Israel." 😬
@@Kodsbah nah, it's only small fraction. Indonesian interest in Palestinian people and stability in the middle east are more important
@@Kodsbah thats only in new Order era through back door diplomacy to purchase weapon, now days the backdoor trade is very miniscule like under 1% and its not official
INDONESIA sudah resmi merdeka berhak menentukan nasib sendiri 👍
Both US and China, anyone who wants to collaborate in the development of electric batteries in Indonesia of course we really welcome it. we don't want enmity, we want to be friends with anyone. mutually beneficial cooperation
Only ONE is forcing Indonesia to take sides. Indonesia decides what is best for itself.
No mention of CATL and BYD as the largest batterymakers......CATL starts building a factory in Jan this year 2024
This is the reason why BYD get biggest sells of EV can lose tesla and japan EV.😮
Why why China & US This seems to create the illusion that Indonesia only has two choices
What's problem with Singporeans? Do they always dream in Binary Geopolitics? Choose between China and US ? Like this naive geopolitics is long dead.
Hope Singapore create good geopolitical analysts who atleast come out of Western Binaries construct of world - black, white and good, bad
Well they also said this about the first Cold War. During the beginning the power centres were extremely loose and countries were bouncing to the US, USSR, or non-aligned. However over a long period of time the regions eventually picked sides.
@@defintity_9951 Cold war is just small piece in long history since 1000 and at those times all were poor except West
@@swakal8868 Keep in mind the broader West (including allied east-Asian countries) still account for around 60% of global GDP, when you add Russia and China is goes up to 83% of global GDP.
It's also important to know that there hasn't really been a rise of the "rest", only the rise of China. When you look at the decline in the relative strength of the West since the year 2000, China has taken up pretty much all of that difference.
For example the combined GDP of the US and EU (excluding UK and other European countries) in 2000 was about 55%, whereas it is 40% today. (-15% difference). China over the same period increased from 3-4% to 18% (~+15% difference).
@@swakal8868 This trend also holds true in PPP, although for many reasons PPP is not applicable for 'total' GDP, but instead can be used for per capita.
@@swakal8868 Moreover key 'global south' countries have mostly failed over the past decade. Brazil, South Africa, Nigeria, to name a few.
We don't need Tesla tho, it's enough with just BYD. Tesla is too tricky from the begine with
TESLA bangkrut , Elon musk kekayaannya udah jatuh
Kekayaan Elon Musk berkurang signifikan sejak Tesla melaporkan kinerja buruk pada Q3 2023 beberapa saat lalu. Terbaru, harta kekayaan Musk diestimasikan senilai US$ 193 miliar atau sekitar Rp 3.070 triliun
based free-active movement policy in Indonesian that no big boss here just follow our rules
Penjajahan abad 21..
Indonesia… a great country that always has a better position, location, prospective, abundant natural and human resources, and that always try to think and plan smarter. Great, but, changes plans too often, changes attitudes too quickly, take a side then the other side and both sides before coming back to one side… lot of time and money go wasted and gets less in long term profits and trust in the end (almost) always. It’s shame. I wonder why is that.
bc non-block country brother.
Kami adalah negara non-blok... Kami akan berbisnis dengan siapapun jika itu menguntungkan.... Dan kami akan membatalkan jika itu merugikan..... Kami Kaya akan sumberdaya Mineral... Mereka yang membutuhkan mineral kami bukan kami yang membutuhkan....
Kami hanya kekurangan Teknologi...
Dan jika kami telah MENGUASAI TEKNOLOGI... maka keadaan akan Berbalik
My opinion is we have very bad bureaucracy, politics culture. When the person in charge changes, their program, rules etc changes to suit their own benefits.
In last 20 years, we pick our side. Our people. We dont care which side they are as long as they are willing to co-operate with us, we will do it.
America used to be a model "free enterprise" country until it was engulfed by geopolitics
They hide behind free enterprise, to kill and to STEAL. Just like how they abused these words, freedom, democracy and human rights.
Under Jokowi's presidency, it appears the US sees Indonesia as leaning more and more towards China. Perhaps at first Indonesia thought it could navigate itself between US and China (like Singapore which is perceived as more or less neutral), however as times passes it seems to be gravitating more towards China, not on purpose but driven more by economic forces not to mention China controls the EV battery supply chain and has the processing technology.
as an Indian I think it is better to create your own side I mean side for developing countries like India, Indonesia, Vietnam, the Philippines, Bangladesh, Nigeria etc
What do you mean "create your own side" ?
Everyone on India side. @@arunanarina1316
India superpower 2020
it already exists. its called non-alignment movement.
Keep dreaming😅@@grgarjun376
In fact, decades of cooperation with America have produced nothing.
Now, China, as a major country in the world, offers solutions,
with all forms of loans or alternative financing according to Indonesia's wishes.
providing technology transfer, fair distribution of results, and does not require complicated requirements and no diplomatic burdens between countries.
then why should Indonesia choose the US?
cute but very stupid.
Pak Anies nih liat, ini yang namanya DIPLOMASI (EKONOMI). Pak Prabowo juga perhatikan dan belajar, bahwa DIPLOMASI bukan melulu dibayangi KEKUATAN MILITER.
@@hix213 old mind
@@hix213KOMENN GAK SESUAI FAKTA DASAR BOCAH
@@hix213KATA BUZZER JANGAN DENGERIN
@@hix213gini amat punya sdm RENDAHAN Pemikiran 😢
@@hix213 orang primitif komen nih wkkww
Prinsip bisnis china sebagai mana prinsip bisnis orang2 tionghoa di indonesia..ketika mereka mendapat proyek kerjasama bisnis,mrk tdk trlalu mementingkan untung besar.mereka lebih terdorong pekerjaan itu bisa terus jalan biarpun untung sedikit tetapi berkelanjutan..di harapkan satu proyek kerjasama selesai,mitra akan memberi proyek pekerjaan yang lain..mereka melihat potensi jangka panjang.
Why until now we dont have any electric car locally made from Indonesian company.
Why waste money building an Indonesian car brand when other countries already spent money developing it. Automotive is already the most saturated industry out there, just look at Vietnam who decide to make their own car company and it turned out to be crap.
Terlalu berisiko sementara pemain global sudah mendominasi pasar .dan mungkin kepemilikan teknologi yg masih terbatas .dari pada tidak main sama sekali ya kita main di tempat yg kita mampu
Populasi penduduk tinggi melebihi 250 juta. Saya percaya dengan sokongan/insentif pemerintah + populasi indonesia yang besar, kereta keluaran tempatan boleh dominasi sektor automatif indonesia.
Saya doakan pembangunan lebih pesat dimasa hadapan untuk teknologi automotif indonesia. Kami dari Malaysia, Brunei akan terus support 💪.
Indonesia should develop in other areas where it’s not overtly saturated. Nickel production, software development, strengthening its goods manufacturing industries first, etc.
We are late, other countries have already started the research a long time ago.
Honestly, we heard the initiative on building ev a long time ago, sadly, our system just did not support that 'breakthrough'.
200.000 workers, its amazing
US & EU want only raw materials ...
China & Korea are willing to invest ...
...
Not a difficult choice, isn't it ??
China kuat bersama Indonesia 🇮🇩🤝🇨🇳
Why even the topic is choosing between China and USA? Who willing to invest will get the business and concessions.
Hi all,
Indonesia does not choose site; we are choosing our own interest.
Merdeka!! Merdeka!!
like our slogan when we were gaining independent!!!
Freedom!!! Freedom!!
Arnold T2= Nickel I'll be Back
Darth Vader= The Nickel Strikes Back
Nickelback = Here's your Nickel Back............. ......🇮🇩💪😁✌️
😂😂😂😂😂
As Asian we should grow together
freeport gold miner owner amerika investor😁nikel factory owner china investor😂
Even Singoprean didn't choose a side but instead asking lndo to a side, how pathetic.....
indonesia❤
Wichever that will gave us the most benefit
Iniloh yang kita mau jaga.
Value adding is the secret. Well done! Indonesia. But I'm afraid that things will change once President Joko Widodo leaves office.
No if you vote number 2
@@ericww1993 That's up to the Indonesian people.
58% quick count@@namelesswarrior4760
@@namelesswarrior4760 quick count result: No.2 at 59% 😁
@@ericww1993yoi brooo... Prabowo dan jokowi memiliki jalan yang sama 😁
Well,, no.
NO Need ať all - but on the countrary > Both of them have their Option to Choose : With or without Indonesia.... * FAIR partnership as Trade Partrner ... or Leave Indonesia and let Indonesia being of her own and Free Nation .
that's why nickel called the 21st Gold, or 21st Oil.
Hey 👋 Just to note that numbers with 1s in the ones spot use the “st” format after the numeric value! Hope this helps ❤️
More examples: numbers with 2s in the ones spot use the”nd” format.
@@qualityguacamole9142 oh yeah, you right, sorry for my mistakes. 😁
Rubbish sg politics
I dont have technology, that's hurt to hear
I don't feel UPS battery cheaper here, UPS still pricey
If they want free south china sea.
Minyak dan emas Indonesia sudah dikuasai si penjajah Amerika selama puluhan tahun dan Indonesia masih jadi negara miskin, sementara Amerika semakin kaya. Lalu orang barat bertanya apakah Indonesia akan memilih China atau US?
Datanglah kau wahai politikus barat dan pendukung kalian ke Indonesia, lihat apa yang sudah dibangun China di Indonesia. Lalu lihat apa yang sudah amerika rusak di Indonesia..!!
Calling Indonesia poor while they invested in infrastructure that outstrips the advance countries.
Choose China, not western company who only want to exploit, want to buy raw material, not want to make smelter in indonesia. Only China want to build smelter
Itu Jaman Suharto yang membolehkan Amerika berlaku semaunya, Presiden Jokowi gak membolehkan perusahaan asing semaunya, soalnya dia gak korup kayak Suharto
You don't read any news? China smuggled 5 million tons of nickels out from Morowali to China.
@@henryairconcepts2999
Tunggu aja nanti kalau mantan menantunya jadi Presiden, situasi politik bisa berubah
So singapore chosen USA !
Congratulations to Indonesia. INCO/Vale/Canada could have been the leading supplier of nickel. Instead Indonesia will be.
But nickel mine in indonesia also operated by Vale 😆
@@fajarmaulanaramadan7438 Vale is only one of many producers: they are the dominant in Canada because they bought INCO.
Indonesia will choose company who is not trying to dictated them in terms of business model
The key is "Symbiosis Mutualism" For Indonesia : we don't care where you are come from, if can following our rules so we can collaborate the business. 🎉❤
Nickel will go democracy or socialism
Jealous😂😂
❤❤❤👍👍👍👍👍
yeah dream on, LFP batteries contains neither nickel nor cobalt. so why need nickel?
Nikel bukan sekedar untuk pembuatan baterai,
Dangkal sekali pemikiran anda lok
Gilak gak sih pak Jokowi,,,,,pak I love you ❤
Why should we be forced to choose one of them if we can choose two of them together?
Looks like Indonesia needs a BYD factory and American military base.
BYD does not do nickel battery. BYD do LFP only.
definetly not
US is not a contender at all
B2B is better than G2B, meanwhile for now China offer B2B while America offer G2B ; but for foreseeable future B2B will be benefit for both parties and for G2B ... there is always string and choke point attached.
Thats why China cant bully Indonesia like what they are to other neighboring countries😅
Kenapa masyarakat ga ditawarkan menjadi investor d project2 besar pemerintah yg strategic spt ini ya.
Atau kalau memang dana masyarakat juga d dalam total investasi spt ini paling gak porsinya lebih besar dari investasi asing d suatu project. Return nya kembali kpd Masyarakat bukannya lebih besar ya dibanding hanya simpan uang d Bank convensional
Investasi dana masyarakat tentunya melalui satu badan atau pihak ketiga , tapi ga tau mungkin apa gak d masa depan masyarakat dibuka akaes secara direct bisa invest d project tsb.
Kalau dengar info2 spt ini kok kayaknya apa2 yg d expose negara investor spt China dan yg lain dan kesannya project tsb full modal nya dari mereka
Just a thought dan bertanya, mungkin ada yg lebih tau bisa share
Emang orang2 kita, pengusaha2 kita punya teknologi buat bikin perusahan semelter nikel??
Dari dlu kalo orang2 kita punya teknologinya juga gabakalan indonesia minta2 negara lain buat investasi bikin pabrik semelter di indonesia bro😂
Kenapa pemerintah kita banyak berkunjung ke negara2 lain terus ngajak investasi di indonesia ya karna negara yang di kunjungin punya teknologinya,
Mana pernah indonesia minta negara malaysia, vietnam , filipina buat bikin semelter disini, karna meraka sendiri aja belum punya teknologinya😅
bro ini semua bergantung sama teknologi,
Indonesia kaya akan sumberdaya mineral emas perak nikel bauksit tembaga dll,
Kalo gapunya teknologi buat ngolahnya ya sama aja gabisa dimanfaatin, contoh aja freepot terus sekarang nikel😂
Note: Opini dari saya pribadi bro, mungkin ada yang lebih paham silahkan dishare
Menurut pemahaman gw investasi disini termasuk pendanaan disamping teknologi. Maksud gw diatas utk pendanaannya apa ga bisa sebagian dari dana masyarakat sendiri.
Misalnya ente invest 1 miliar. 1000 org kan sudah 1 trilyun..( ini contoh ya bro )
Kan kita sering dengar nilai investasi project A senilai USD 5 miliar = kurleb Rp 75 trilyun berarti ada 75.000 org Indonesia yg invest @ 1 milyar
Org kaya d Indonesia kalo ga salah dengar2 di TV ada sekitar 60 jutaan org
Total investasi diatas mungkin juga termasuk teknology yg tenaga ahlinya utk sementara harus d impor misalnya dari China ya gpp pemerintah bisa melakukan pendekatan k China utk mereka invest d teknology nya utk jangka waktu tertentu, dsb
Pengen paham aja gmana sebenarnya apakah Dana masyarakat juga termasuk dalam investasi2 besar tsb mungkin melalui Bank2 yg menyimpan tabungan masyarakat
We just have nikel, AMD WE CANNOT BUILD BATTERY... EVEN IN 2024 STILL WE CANT BUILD COOOKING PAN😂
ini maksudnya gmn si,perusahaan china bikin di morowali apa gmn??keder gw
china investasi ev di indonesia
Indonesia will not choose any. Indonesia is a non block. We free to do economic deal with anyone we want
Of course EV is saving the environment 🤦🤦🤦
Choose what? Directly selling to China, or Selling to China via US intermediary?
Africa can learn from this stop exporting raw materials
there is nothing to choose lmao. Its obious who's gonna be producing most EVs.
Exactly. Weak topic by from CNA
Nickel is being use less in more future EV battery as technology improves for the cost and environment. Future is not bright for nickel mining. Now we even have sodium ion battery. Indonesia position as biggest nickel mining will be reduced soon for EV.
We are not only making the nickel smelting factory, we are also making factories for the EV battery itself.
Nickel mining still important for Indonesia because its not just for EV, but also to make stainless steel.
@@izzigosa stainless steel industry has stabilize but it is the EV industry that gonna consume lots of nickel if EV battery are using the traditional way of including nickel in their composition.
Kenapa uni eropa marah Indonesia stop ekspor nikel karena sudah tau nikel di pakai ngga cuma baterai tapi bahan sayap pesawat terbang dan baterai hp
Indonesia btak memaksakan jika negara lain tak mebeli nikel pun tak masalah.. inti hilireisasi penting untuk Indonesia..gak suka pergi sajah tak ada yang memaksakan... Indonesia haya inginkan kerjasama yang saling menguntung kan.✋😊
Percuma negara kaya hasil bumi yang melimpah kalau pemimpinnya korup rakyatnya akan tetap miskin.
EV TIDAK PERLU NICKEL LAGI
Hahaha go to hell with your poor LFP car
Love Indonesia from Bangladesh ❤
In the end Indonesia wouldn't be an EV giant. It would only serves as a "gold mine" of the superpowers and not a producer of its own.
You are wrong, currently Indonesia has many electric car factories from China & Korea.
@@Novato.twentythree
What he's trying to say is Indonesia can't build their own EV Cars
@@arunanarina1316do you even know the meaning of transfer of technology?
@@Xx-he9qe
Tell me
@@Xx-he9qe
Please tell me
HILIRISASI!!
We not chose no one but we must can swim between shark and whale for our national interest.
But this time it appears Indonesia is losing more and more to China unser the façade of cooperating
West is not trustworthy.
@@Etendard1708based on your sentiment? You have data?
Yes. China is caught smuggling 5 million tonnes of nickels.
what is the proof ?? @@Etendard1708
did you forgot how Indonesia defense sector work with US and EU intensly ?
Indonesia purchase 42 Rafale F4 from France, 24 F-15 Eagle II from US..
we purchase Leopard Main Battle Tank from Germany.
we purchase fregat warship from Italy and UK also Dutch last time.
the philippines needs to follow indonesia..we have also what they have in materials..
Yes, but the Philippines will need the know-how from the US or China to produce in large scale. I don't see the US interested in making these investments and profit sharing, and with the current Philippines-China relations, I don't think the Philippines (or the US) will allow China to invest. It's always better when you trade with everyone and not choose sides.
you need leader loyal to your country but cunning to other country and people for the support
Philippines can do partnership with indonesia as usual 🤝
We are the second largest nickel producer after Indonesia so we could also do the same. The main problem with electric vehicle in the Philippines is maybe the electricity price. Filling a gasoline might probably be cheaper than charging. We should really proceed with that Nuclear negotiation with the USA
Indonesia won't pick both, they will use nickel for themself or sell some as finished product...they will not sell raw nickel
I think there are 3 points that need to be clarified to public, which is not yet in this report... (1) SPREAD & TRANSPARENCY. The numbers often mentioned is in bulk, how's the spread of the value and when mentioning Indonesia needs to be specified whether it's state-owned companies or government, or private-owned companies, otherwise it'll be intransparent, (2) ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT & GOVERNANCE. At 4'30"-5'00" there's a mention about reducing emission, how does it work and how it relates to the overall environmental impact of the industry, both in terms of pollution caused and compensation of the deforestation, (3) SOCIAL IMPACT & GOVERNANCE towards the local people of Morowali. Do they benefit from it? Do the thousands of jobs created mentioned are for these local people, or actually for foreigners?
Menonton video ini saya langsung bangga, tapi begitu sampai ada adegan orang ngomong pertama pada detik 0:29 saya langsung kaget! Loh sumber daya manusia Indonesia pada kemana?!
SDM Indonesia goblok kabeh!
SDM Indonesia masih ngga mampu makanya kita memerlukan tenaga asing dalam hal beginian
I love Indonesia more than any other country, but I think they are making a mistake with the EV's. A better choice would be hybrid cars if they want to have proper functioning cars that are more reliable and low-cost. In people in India, currently no EV factory and low interest in EV, prefer hybrids because of multiple reasons. However, Vinfast a EV factory of Vietnam will start in India as the first EV salesman even before Tesla. I am curious how that will work out. Or if you want strong batteries then the Chinese have new batteries that last 50 years without charging because they are nuclear.
Memang nikel buat batrai saja , ini bisa di buat macam" prodak
@@user-ob7hn3ue2r Yes, you are right. Nickel, copper and other precious metals I believe are used for batteries. My comment is a little bit mismatched with the video, maaf. What I mean is that Indonesia has made some business agreements with Vietnam and China to provide them EV cars. But worldwide there are many instances that these electric cars don't meet up the needs of the customers. So I am worried that Indonesians will become disappointed using EV 's. But let us see what will happen. I wish the best for Indonesia with all my heart.
Vinfast use Chinese battery
Okay@@amandagrant4331 I have invested in Vinfast also. Not that I like EV cars that much but because of their relationship with Indonesia the country I love. I read that Vfast has found a way to recycle their batteries. Also they will be the first EV companie that will start in India, even before Tesla. Not sure if it will be a succes because India is more attached to hybrid cars but we will see.
Jgn pakai bhs ngris
coba belajar dek, bahasa Inggris dan Mandarin sangat penting...kalo kita ga mau belajar bangsa kita akan ketinggalan..
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Indonesia should not fall for the US crap 💩
Well said !
No worries sell cheaply to China.
@@arjunbhattarai594yes 34B is cheaper than 1.1b
.....not 😂
US + Europe
Asu
How to choose? The title is faulty. No need to choose because there is only one big champion, and that is China, Number 1.
Good for Indonesia but the processing plant site in the video looks like an environmental disaster.
0:30 eww why is he speaking ch*nese on interview about Indonesia
My issue with China is their questionable transparency and looming territorial violations over the South China sea. Indonesia is a part of that region however are Neutral whereas the Phillipines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Taiwan know that China is overstepping their boundaries. Indonesia's neutrality is admirable however if China decide to attack Indonesia is alone.
The country who have probability to attack Indonesia is a country who talk so much about "Human Rights" Because of West Papua Issue. And I don't think China is one of those country, nor they have interest in Eastern part of Indonesia.
And looking at China behaviors in their teritorial claim in SCS. They never bring their Warship to enforce their claim, only Coast Guard ship. So it's not really a big deal.
Tenang saja dalam sejarah PEPERANGAN KAMI....
KAMI SUDAH TERBIASA SENDIRIAN 😁
@@Kata_Mamah_HALAL semua rakyat Indonesia adalah milisi jika negara diserang
@@arghost9798true, in our modern Indonesian history, the East Timor conflict was propagated by US and Aussie, not China. So........we knew already that they're more hypocritical than China based on experience
The second Trump term will end the battery cooperation between Indonesia and US. Mr Trump believes in Fossil Fuel
😂😂😂😂 baja tahan karat jangan kamu hindari 😂😂😂😂 punggung saaya bergetar
Rakyat biasa tetap saja miskin. Yang kaya cuma pejabat.
Ya kalo ndk mau usaha ya bakal tetap miskin 😂
Lucu kamu, kalau bukan dari keluarga kaya ya kerja keras
kalau nggak ada kesempatan kerja di tempat sendiri merantau cari peluang baru di tempat yg baru, kalau cuma ngayal gak bakalan berubah sudah menjadi hukum alam didunia ini ada yg kaya dan miskin
Indonesia is nothing, but consumer. There is Not benefit to indonesian people, only some people who has the rules, and some ministry who ally with oligarky. Indonesian goverment want NEV revolution, and give peoples subsidy if they buy car or motobike, is car and bike made by indonesia? No. What China did and indonesia did about NEV is very different, and has no porpuse, beside make some poeple rich and greedy
Indonesia is one of the few countries in Asia that can make its own trains and planes.
@@esashaik1372 Only old design from Europe. Nothing new.
You're right!!
Be optimist, dude
😂😂😂😂😂 apaakah ada penjualan senjata untuk negara resesi 😂😂😂 dukung dan garuk punggu saya
Picking side is just so old-fashioned, we don't care! You reap what you sow...you come here and play with our rules, that's it!
I think SE countries will not be that level hazardous for India, I know our govt has stopped Chinese investment which is actually great our gates are 24×7 open for US Taiwan, Japan, Korea & Europe.
Our goal is simple:
👹100% Make In India 👹
(Well some critical components may be are exception.)
The Indonesian people are already enjoying the Chinese built high speed railways and trains while the Indian people are still waiting to ride the HSR from the Japanese to be built. The Japanese have been built for the Indian high speed rail for years, longer than the Chinese built for the Indonesia. Your people are so anti-China and the Chinese people as well.....good luck. th-cam.com/video/RO9C-3LyrZk/w-d-xo.html
Then India should learn from Indonesia. Instead of being pawn of the west and US learn to do more cooperation for better life of Indians. Do not forget the same people who enslaved and looted India and most of Asia for 300 plus years are the ones ruling the west and US.
😂😂 so you can only develop a made in India brand by banning Chinese investments 😂 good luck 🤞 India 😅
@@BoazKiriama-do3xy I think u don't know about Indian car companies they makes EV too
@@Indian_Rajput so by that you mean that the likes of Tata will only improve by not allowing the BYD investments in India 😃
This world is funny 😂 protectionism and double standards everywhere 😩
The title is annoying, why does it have to be China and the US like there are no other countries? Of course, choose a country that is willing to follow Indonesian rules and is mutually beneficial. ❤️❤️❤️
Talk about Indonesia but interview a Chinese guy, serious. The Chinese guy even didn't try to speak English while Indonesia guys have to speak in English. What else can go more wrong?
That Chinese can use translator because he is one of the engineers from the company, English is not his specialty. I bet his company has a ton of money to hire a translator....and most importantly, he doesn't require to speak English because he came from China.....in China, they speak Chinese Mandarin. I don't see any wrong with it.
@@themiddlekingdom9121 Yes, it's really wrong. I don't live in Indonesia so in the first seconds of the interview, I was insanely surprised why Indonesia language was almost the same as Chinese language.
He probably knows some Bahasa Indonesia which is their official language not English. It was never an English colony. If he is more comfortable expressing himself to reporters from CNA in Chinese why can't he use it in an interview.
Chinese is the future. @@vanchien5874
He is NOT a language majors he is an engineer. While the Indonesians being interviewed are directors and ministerial officer. Elites.
What do you really expect? Indonesian elites can't speak English? Or Chinese engineer should speak English fluently?