1) Ronnie is shorter than Samson. People lie about their height as much as about the weight, and as it is pointed out in the video the imperial system is very innacurate. It seems like Ron is about 177 to 178 cm while Samson around 180cm if not slightly more. 2) Ronnie is way more conditioned. Samson is dry, but with a very washed out look and not even a death face. That implies a heavy use of diuretics. 3) Samson is MUCH wider, so alot of the weight comes from the muscles spreading horizontally, rather than being concentrated on a more narrow frame to give a fuller look. 4) Bodybuilding is about how big YOU LOOK and not about how big you actually are. It is a game of illusion. Insertions play a huge role on that. For example, the amount of muscle in both athlete's biceps is about the same. BUT on Samson, it is spread all over the upper arm like a blob, while on Ronnie is concentrated on a smaller part of the arm and has this ridiculous peak.
The arms of ronnie in front double bicep are absolutely insane, it makes other pros looking like they never worked their arms Also Ronnies quads look like xenomorph heads
and the thickness. He has smaller joints, but peakier, thicker looking muscles. The bicep peaks, the thickness of the legs, the way the quads hang off him, back thickness. It's all a level up from Samson. He is thick like the 5'6 guys are lbvs.
Ronnie is hands down the most gifted bodybuilder ever, nobody comes close, his arms, he literally looks like he’s in a different division all together, I honestly don’t think we’ll ever see anyone come close in our lifetime
They say Americans will use anything as unit of measurement except the Metric system, but here we are using Phil Heath and Jay Cutler as units of Measurement 😅😅
Presumably someone will have the genetics , correct PED use, training and food intake will come close though . You can’t use that argument forever it’s like saying can’t compare anyone to Michael Jordan when there’s Lebron James but not only that, someone else will eventually be very comparable to Michael Jordan within 100 years from now. (Anthony edwards being decent comparison but not nearly as talented imo)
@@Joshua-wm9bjnah bro skilled sports are different than bodybuilding. basketball player are always getting more skilled as the game evolves. i don't see bodybuilders getting better since the 90s 🤷♂️. who do u see with the condition of ronnie? samson looks obese in comparison 😂. like did these new guys even diet for the show? they look 12 weeks out
@@Joshua-wm9bjSomeone may come along with the genetics sure, but NOBODY has the hardcore mentality of older bodybuilders, everything now is easy training, nobody crushes the gym like a Coleman or a lot of other past bodybuilders for that matter, not only that, most bodybuilders today start their training already on steroids, where back in the day they had already built a physique before they hopped on heavy gear, today everything is so much easier to get and easier to train, nobody will ever have that hardcore muscle of Coleman
@@TACT1LE No amount of lifting gives someone that shape. It looks like a butterfly. It goes like a 1/3 the way down his hamstring and dude has long legs. Just insane, literally doesn't look like it belongs on a human being, in a good way of course in BB'ing.
Appreciate and also like the way your doing your scaling. You are giving us a realistic glimpse into what if situations. I'd like to mention that what your doing is definitely considered art, so no one should ever be knocking your work here. Great Job
Okay, weight experts, body mass alone doesn’t determine weight. Muscle density, bone density, water content, and height are some of the things to consider. Let’s a,so include the HOW the weight was recorded. Samson weight was 138.9 kg; which its a bit more than 305. When Samson weight in he was fully dressed with sandals; while Ronnie weight in his posing trunks. NOW, let’s consider the WHEN the weight was recorded. Ronnie and every other competitor were weight in BEFORE getting full by consuming carbs. Genetically, the more depleted the bodybuilder is when “carbing” the body will retain more fullness and fuller. Ronnie was a lot dryer when he weighed in; so, by the time he went in stage he was heavier than when the weight was recorded. Samson not being as depleted didn’t really gain more size or water. In his case he had to get dryer instead of fuller. It’s possible that by the time both got to stage Ronnie had gained weight and Samson had lost weight. Remember the conference? That’s was shortly after he weighed in - most said that he looked off and too full; not dry enough. They don’t do a second weigh in - they go with the recorded weight. So, in summary: - Samson is at least one inch taller than Ronnie at 6’0” - Samson is wider (that should count for something) - Samson was fully dressed with sweats (full top and long bottoms (I saw the video) - Ronnie didn’t have any sweats (that’s approximately 4-7 pounds - a lot of material to cover a massive body) (This may put Samson at around 298 “more/less”) - Samson had to dry out and lose some water weight before the show (we don’t know how much - let’s speculate and say he lost another 3 pounds or 4 - that puts him now at 293-294) - Ronnie filled up for the show and got much fuller (let’s say he added an extra 5-6 pounds) At the end of the day - why is this such a significant topic? What else are we going to bring up to minimize Samson winning the Olympia. Brandon Curry won in 2018. Let’s compare Brandon to Samson, let’s look at a Rhoden with a terrible back, no triceps, smaller arms than Samson, and tremendous wheels. Rhoden had an insane lower body; but didn’t have the balance Samson has with an equally powerful upper body. Let’s look at Ramy as the Olympia and not the one from any other contest and compare him to Samson. It’s becoming extremely frustrating to me to continue seeing videos in which EXPERT (self-proclaimed) are “apparently” analyzing physiques that are “scaled” to supposedly match versus using reality. It’s also tiresome to see that they continue to use videos instead of going to shows and see the massive difference that is there between what we see in person versus what we see in videos. So, stop looking for ways to discredit the man that won this year. I was there last year and this year. Last year while in person I picked Hadi to win; because he was definitely the best “all around” package there. This year I saw Samson as the superior bodybuilder; however, almost everyone present agreed. We walked out of the place on Friday night and the talk between most of us spectators was that Samson looked insane. Watch the video again and notice how we “the crowd” reacted EVERY TIME Samson was moved to the center of the pack. Watch it and see how the entire place erupted when he was declared the winner. We weren’t looking at a TH-cam video; we were there and expected it. Look at the finals again - in there it was much more obvious that the crowd (us) knew it was undeniable that Samson had edge the formidable Hadi with his insane fullness, symmetry, and overall great condition. Notice that I wrote condition; not, dryness. Many confuse one thing with the other and they are two separate things. Samson was not as dry; but wasn’t off at all. Could he have been dryer? Likely; but, he didn’t need to be. He had very clearly marked separation and didn’t carry fat or water anywhere that hindered his presence. Get over the fact that he won - he did and did so deservedly.
Excellent scaling! That's what I'm talking about. Also, so many Ronnie nut huggers on here - yeah he's the goat, BUT, Samson holds up VERY well in comparisons with him. Better than any other comparisons bcoz Samson is huge, cut, AND aesthetic. That vacuum on a guy 305 is insane - also look at those hams! Great video dude!
Samson smashes Ronnie in the waist and mid-section - not even close. Samson also has better forearms and possibly triceps. Ronnie smokes Samson in the bicep peak, back, traps, and glutes. Samson is structurally wider and more grainer. I prefer Samson's frame, aesthetics, and graininess. His better mid-section is what does it.
Let’s go over every pose: 1. Front double goes to Ronnie 2.Front Lat S. goes to Samson 3. Side Chest, Samson wins 4. Back double, Ronnie 5. Back Lat S. Ronnie 6. Side Trizepes, Samson 7. Abs and T.,Samson 8. Most muscular, Samson(but close) It’s hard to compare different eras. But if both would pose this exact way, Samson would win in todays standards. No disrespect to the king, but his posing wasn’t the best, that’s why he looses some poses. I think you are to biased in your opinion… there are 3 poses which Samson is clearly better than Ronnie. You said Side chest is close, no it isn’t. It’s 100% Samsons pose. You overhyping Ronnie just because he’s the king. Don’t get me wrong Ronnie is the GOAT of Bodybuilding, but your comparison is not fair.
Ronnie’s back double loses his left lat is way smaller I don’t understand why all u TH-camrs are afraid to mention it and with his huge stomach I would rather have Samson as Mr Olympia
We’re very quick to point out asymmetries on bodybuilders but for some reason no one mentions this during Ronnie back double bicep. Maybe part of it is because the idiot is constantly turning his head
There is a video from arnold classic 2001 with the lineup on youtube,you can see ron next to dexter there. Please compare those with samsons video that would make justice for how crazy ron looked . Good content by the way 👌
There's no way he's 18 lbs heavier than RC. And, I expected to say that Samson came close due to better aesthetics but WOW ....Ronnie crushed him. Light weight.
So in terms of height I have got Phil Heath at 5"9, Big Ramy at "5.9, Ronnie Coleman 5"10.5, Samson Dauda at 5"11. Gunter at 6"1. In terms of Maximum onstage Olympia weights Phil Heath 255lb, Big Ramy 308lb, Ronnie Coleman 294lb, Samson 305lb, Gunter 302lb. We know when Big Ramy won he was on stage in the 290's but there is good evidence to sugggest he weighed as much as 308lb in 2015. It is claimed he was 315lb on stage at the 2015 Arnold Brazil which he won. So given all of this evidence for me there has only been 3 body builders who weighed over 300lb on stage and finished in the top 5 at the Olympia : - Gunter 302lb in 2002. - Big Ramy max 308lb in 2015 but over 300lb probably 3 times. - Samson Dauda 305lb 2024. Ronnie top weight was 294lb in 2004. Andrew Jacked (6"2) may also achieve this feat also in the next few years.
He doesn't have 30 lbs to lose lol he's at about 5% on stage, so he's got maybe 15lbs of fat on his whole body. If that drops below 3%, he literally would die. So that's 6 lbs of fat. Maybe he could drop a bit more water too. Assume that he could drop another 6 lbs of water, but again, any more and he's dead. That's 12 pounds.
@@smitabhmoitra5726he’s not 5%. Ronnie is 5% and way drier. You underestimate how much water Samson has to lose. 30 pounds is an exaggeration make it 20 pounds and he’s smaller than Ronnie. This 305lbs has to be a BS number.
I love Samson's body but I just wish he'd come in more cut up. I like that the Olympia is pushing the more aesthetic look but I still wanna see conditioning like Hadi but honestly it could be even better than that!
Interesting analysis! I was confused by the scaling initially when using Jay, but it made sense after changing the scale unit to Hadi. I thought Ronnie clearly won the 2 front poses. I thought Samson beat Ronnie in the 2 side poses. Then Ronnie edged out Samson (but didn't clearly dominate him) in the 2 back poses. The detail seemed similar, but Ronnie's density and muscularity beat out Samson's. Although in the given pics, Ronnie's width didn't seem to be there in the back lat spread. I think Ronnie barely edged out Samson in the back lat spread; it didn't seem definitive to me. And in both back poses, his glutes were massive. I couldn't look away lmao. Then I gave the abs and thighs to Ronnie, for better flow and aesthetics. And I gave the most muscular to Ronnie, for better conditioning and separation. So 6-2 to Ronnie. That's my analysis. If someone disagrees, don't just say "You're stupid." or "You're wrong." Give me good reasons why you disagree.
Ronnie probably inch shorter than Samson but his 287 just looked different he was peeled thin skinned. Samson just looks big and tight waist though but back looks smaller arms smaller I wish Ronnie bent his knee when flexing the quads
@@ElssaAbom Phil? Here is a video of CBum himself saying he is “about 6 foot” how many guys u know 6’1 and half say they are about 6 feet it’s always guys little shorter than 6 feet say that th-cam.com/users/shortsbR7CjQhBNLc?si=Gk3rQcn5qgPGQ6X5
I am old enough to remember the 80's and 90's BB. I can tell you now, regardless of 4K, digital cameras etc, there is no comparison to the current line up. Ronnie, DY, Nasser, Dillet, Ruhl, Lee P, Jay, would have wiped the floor with them all. They might be using Diuretic's to dry out but they are still not as lean, and when you take the 20lbs of fat off and remove the bubble guts they would be no heavier either. For all you younger guys who didn't get to see any of these guys, look up Adreas Munzer if you want to see what condition looks like. Makes all the modern day Olympians look 8 weeks out.
I don't know why you used Munzer as an example. None of the other dudes you mentioned had conditioning close to his and we saw how that cost him his life.
You're looking at things through rose tinted glasses. Nasser and Jay were hardly leaner than Samson was at this show and Hadi's conditioning would blow out every 90's guy you mentioned other than Ronnie and Yates.
@@MR12AMAZING yeah but Munzer didn't place very high with that condition guys like Lee Haney, Shawn Ray, Vince Taylor, Bob Paris blew him out the water.
Great video. Scaling was excellent. But Ronnie is NOT or was not 5'11. I spoke with him in 2005 as he was guest posing at a show I was in. He was at least 2 in shorter than me, and I'm 5'11. Let's revisit this comparison in a couple years, and see how Samson does then. He may end up winning an additional pose, maybe two. The guy makes progress every single year... actually every 6 months, so 🤔 🙌🏽
Ronnie is obviously the GOAT, however I really really like the flow of Sampson. On a pure bodybuilding perspective, Ronnie takes it - but I’d argue from innate aspects like structure and flow and proportions Samson is more aesthetic.
in minute 8:14 and in 10:57 you can see the big difference in their backs. Ronnie is the one and only, whose back is looking like a diamond. His neck is extraterrestrial !!! Samsons and all others Back are looking only like a Geometry triangle with the tip pointing down. And his bicep peak also is from an other planet.
@@zarfo2667 How? Everyone complains about Samsons conditioning but Flex never came in peeled. Flex always had soft glutes and hamstrings just like Samson. Samson is maybe 50lbs heavier with equally good shape and the same conditioning, Flex would have no chance.
These pictures dont do Ronnie any justice. you have to watch his 2003 Pre Judging to see why he's a monster. He didn't hold all that water in pre judge.
Our current top bodybuilders just don't compare to the past bodybuilders, Coleman, Wheeler, Ray, Cormier, Cutler, Dalette, Leveone, Priest, Heath, Dexter, Wolf, Kai Greene, Branch Warren, Victor Martinez , would all beat today's top guys......
Honestly Ronnie is so comical looking with the muscle bellies, the detail and thickness I think even Samson would just have to laugh and would accept his defeat graciously. Samson is a very big guy, but it's not put together the way Ronnie is. Ronnie has small joints, his waist started off smaller than Samson could ever dream, his glutes and biceps make no sense. His back is thick like a manlet and yet he isn't short at all. Same with the quads, the muscle just hangs off them, such as the ab+thigh, his legs are just nonsensical looking.
This is the most overrated version of Coleman. He's definitely more muscular but people acting like he's wildly out conditioning Samson are simply nostalgic for older eras. He's not anywhere near dry or separated absent of the glutes and hamstrings.
Ronnie is ronnie there is only one big Ron he's far far thicker and denser but personally I prefere the classic looking lines of samson I think he will hold the title for awile.
1) Ronnie is shorter than Samson. People lie about their height as much as about the weight, and as it is pointed out in the video the imperial system is very innacurate. It seems like Ron is about 177 to 178 cm while Samson around 180cm if not slightly more.
2) Ronnie is way more conditioned. Samson is dry, but with a very washed out look and not even a death face. That implies a heavy use of diuretics.
3) Samson is MUCH wider, so alot of the weight comes from the muscles spreading horizontally, rather than being concentrated on a more narrow frame to give a fuller look.
4) Bodybuilding is about how big YOU LOOK and not about how big you actually are. It is a game of illusion. Insertions play a huge role on that. For example, the amount of muscle in both athlete's biceps is about the same. BUT on Samson, it is spread all over the upper arm like a blob, while on Ronnie is concentrated on a smaller part of the arm and has this ridiculous peak.
bro in google they both are 5’11
@@ElssaAbom Google is just stuff people post online
@ElssaAbom First off, Google is inaccurate. Second if that's the case, 5 11 ranges from 177.5cm to 180cm.
@@TJay96 On the Generation Iron website, it says that Ron is 5'11 and samson is 5'11.
@@ethanpispas4098 On the Generation Iron website, it says that ron is 5'11 and samson is 5'11.
The arms of ronnie in front double bicep are absolutely insane, it makes other pros looking like they never worked their arms
Also Ronnies quads look like xenomorph heads
Weight doesn’t matter. Muscle bellies do. Ronnnie destroys Samson with those bellies.
Totally agree.
and the thickness. He has smaller joints, but peakier, thicker looking muscles. The bicep peaks, the thickness of the legs, the way the quads hang off him, back thickness. It's all a level up from Samson. He is thick like the 5'6 guys are lbvs.
Samson has a better structure though so it’s just apples and oranges
Ronnie is hands down the most gifted bodybuilder ever, nobody comes close, his arms, he literally looks like he’s in a different division all together, I honestly don’t think we’ll ever see anyone come close in our lifetime
@@vinniedeluca2188 get off of it
still his physique is disgusting compared to Samson from a pure aestathic standpoint.
He maybe gifted put the work he put in also is unmatched, getting up at night every hour just to eat 10 Oz of food everyday dang!
@@aditya-lr2in He competed whilst working a full time job as a police officer. Ronnie is definitely a different breed.
@@MR12AMAZINGtaking massive amounts of gear while working at the police dept and arresting criminals. That is a crazy story 😂
They say Americans will use anything as unit of measurement except the Metric system, but here we are using Phil Heath and Jay Cutler as units of Measurement 😅😅
Just don't compare anybody to Ronnie.
Presumably someone will have the genetics , correct PED use, training and food intake will come close though . You can’t use that argument forever it’s like saying can’t compare anyone to Michael Jordan when there’s Lebron James but not only that, someone else will eventually be very comparable to Michael Jordan within 100 years from now. (Anthony edwards being decent comparison but not nearly as talented imo)
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Just shut up ronnie's groupie
@@Joshua-wm9bjnah bro skilled sports are different than bodybuilding. basketball player are always getting more skilled as the game evolves. i don't see bodybuilders getting better since the 90s 🤷♂️. who do u see with the condition of ronnie? samson looks obese in comparison 😂. like did these new guys even diet for the show? they look 12 weeks out
@@Joshua-wm9bjSomeone may come along with the genetics sure, but NOBODY has the hardcore mentality of older bodybuilders, everything now is easy training, nobody crushes the gym like a Coleman or a lot of other past bodybuilders for that matter, not only that, most bodybuilders today start their training already on steroids, where back in the day they had already built a physique before they hopped on heavy gear, today everything is so much easier to get and easier to train, nobody will ever have that hardcore muscle of Coleman
the difference in the glutes is insane
That's the kind of glutes that squatting and deadlifting 750+ solid ass lbs will get you 😂
Yes cause that’s samsons weak point and Ronnie is the goat of glutes
I've never ever seen butterfly glutes like those.
@@TACT1LE And we saw how he ended up as a result of that... in a wheelchair.
@@TACT1LE No amount of lifting gives someone that shape. It looks like a butterfly. It goes like a 1/3 the way down his hamstring and dude has long legs. Just insane, literally doesn't look like it belongs on a human being, in a good way of course in BB'ing.
0:45 Just look at the King. Nothing more to be said.
Appreciate and also like the way your doing your scaling. You are giving us a realistic glimpse into what if situations. I'd like to mention that what your doing is definitely considered art, so no one should ever be knocking your work here. Great Job
Thx for the intro and showing how u set this up to make their size look accurate.. good one and good comparison
Okay, weight experts, body mass alone doesn’t determine weight. Muscle density, bone density, water content, and height are some of the things to consider. Let’s a,so include the HOW the weight was recorded. Samson weight was 138.9 kg; which its a bit more than 305. When Samson weight in he was fully dressed with sandals; while Ronnie weight in his posing trunks. NOW, let’s consider the WHEN the weight was recorded. Ronnie and every other competitor were weight in BEFORE getting full by consuming carbs. Genetically, the more depleted the bodybuilder is when “carbing” the body will retain more fullness and fuller. Ronnie was a lot dryer when he weighed in; so, by the time he went in stage he was heavier than when the weight was recorded. Samson not being as depleted didn’t really gain more size or water. In his case he had to get dryer instead of fuller. It’s possible that by the time both got to stage Ronnie had gained weight and Samson had lost weight. Remember the conference? That’s was shortly after he weighed in - most said that he looked off and too full; not dry enough. They don’t do a second weigh in - they go with the recorded weight.
So, in summary:
- Samson is at least one inch taller than Ronnie at 6’0”
- Samson is wider (that should count for something)
- Samson was fully dressed with sweats (full top and long bottoms (I saw the video)
- Ronnie didn’t have any sweats (that’s approximately 4-7 pounds - a lot of material to cover a massive body) (This may put Samson at around 298 “more/less”)
- Samson had to dry out and lose some water weight before the show (we don’t know how much - let’s speculate and say he lost another 3 pounds or 4 - that puts him now at 293-294)
- Ronnie filled up for the show and got much fuller (let’s say he added an extra 5-6 pounds)
At the end of the day - why is this such a significant topic? What else are we going to bring up to minimize Samson winning the Olympia. Brandon Curry won in 2018. Let’s compare Brandon to Samson, let’s look at a Rhoden with a terrible back, no triceps, smaller arms than Samson, and tremendous wheels. Rhoden had an insane lower body; but didn’t have the balance Samson has with an equally powerful upper body. Let’s look at Ramy as the Olympia and not the one from any other contest and compare him to Samson. It’s becoming extremely frustrating to me to continue seeing videos in which EXPERT (self-proclaimed) are “apparently” analyzing physiques that are “scaled” to supposedly match versus using reality. It’s also tiresome to see that they continue to use videos instead of going to shows and see the massive difference that is there between what we see in person versus what we see in videos. So, stop looking for ways to discredit the man that won this year. I was there last year and this year. Last year while in person I picked Hadi to win; because he was definitely the best “all around” package there. This year I saw Samson as the superior bodybuilder; however, almost everyone present agreed. We walked out of the place on Friday night and the talk between most of us spectators was that Samson looked insane. Watch the video again and notice how we “the crowd” reacted EVERY TIME Samson was moved to the center of the pack. Watch it and see how the entire place erupted when he was declared the winner. We weren’t looking at a TH-cam video; we were there and expected it. Look at the finals again - in there it was much more obvious that the crowd (us) knew it was undeniable that Samson had edge the formidable Hadi with his insane fullness, symmetry, and overall great condition. Notice that I wrote condition; not, dryness. Many confuse one thing with the other and they are two separate things. Samson was not as dry; but wasn’t off at all. Could he have been dryer? Likely; but, he didn’t need to be. He had very clearly marked separation and didn’t carry fat or water anywhere that hindered his presence. Get over the fact that he won - he did and did so deservedly.
Well. Said.
2003 Ronnie is not untouchable.
99 Ronnie would beat him and 95 Dorian as well.
Butterfly glutes are still insane. Unmatched size and conditioning. Im honestly convinced Samson inflated his weigh, he doesnt look 300lbs.
I agree....280 tops
I haven't liked a video this fast in a while. Samson's X frame is actually wild.
Excellent scaling! That's what I'm talking about. Also, so many Ronnie nut huggers on here - yeah he's the goat, BUT, Samson holds up VERY well in comparisons with him. Better than any other comparisons bcoz Samson is huge, cut, AND aesthetic. That vacuum on a guy 305 is insane - also look at those hams! Great video dude!
The MM goes to Ron considering he also did a version with hands on hips
How is this channel not blowing up....He is doing all of us a Big Favour 🎉
Agreed, this scaling is so perfect 👌🏽 I'm really love this scaling, so accurate
Edit:
Phil is the GOAT (for me) this scaling shows it
Half a thumbs up
@@nickbritten8132 lmao
Great work with this scaling. Just one suggestion. You could use Brandon as reference instead of Hadi, because he stand next to Phil in 2020
Coleman was 296 lbs in 2004 mr olympia
Allegedly.......but in his videos a few weeks before his '03 and '04 Olympia, he's stepping on the scale at over 300.
It was 294lb in 2004 and 287lb in 2003.
I never even thought about using head to head as scale to compare two guys from different decades. Subscribed that is Damn cool
Samson smashes Ronnie in the waist and mid-section - not even close. Samson also has better forearms and possibly triceps. Ronnie smokes Samson in the bicep peak, back, traps, and glutes. Samson is structurally wider and more grainer. I prefer Samson's frame, aesthetics, and graininess. His better mid-section is what does it.
Lol his midsection is washed out compared to ronnie,
Man! That sizing was scientific!! 😀 top job.
They should have a camera set at a standard height and distance for all major shows. Thanks for doing this
Let’s go over every pose:
1. Front double goes to Ronnie
2.Front Lat S. goes to Samson
3. Side Chest, Samson wins
4. Back double, Ronnie
5. Back Lat S. Ronnie
6. Side Trizepes, Samson
7. Abs and T.,Samson
8. Most muscular, Samson(but close)
It’s hard to compare different eras. But if both would pose this exact way, Samson would win in todays standards. No disrespect to the king, but his posing wasn’t the best, that’s why he looses some poses. I think you are to biased in your opinion… there are 3 poses which Samson is clearly better than Ronnie. You said Side chest is close, no it isn’t. It’s 100% Samsons pose. You overhyping Ronnie just because he’s the king.
Don’t get me wrong Ronnie is the GOAT of Bodybuilding, but your comparison is not fair.
I stopped reading after you said Samson won front lat spread
😂😂😂
If you put them together with same light ronnie would smoke him no questions
Look how many great guys tried with ronnie and they couldn't beat him. He have that alien looking body just shocking
2003 Ronnie was a specimen
Ronnie’s back double loses his left lat is way smaller I don’t understand why all u TH-camrs are afraid to mention it and with his huge stomach I would rather have Samson as Mr Olympia
Phil doesn’t look smaller because his muscles bellies are even better than Ronnie’s. Phil has the best muscles bellies of any bodybuilder
We’re very quick to point out asymmetries on bodybuilders but for some reason no one mentions this during Ronnie back double bicep. Maybe part of it is because the idiot is constantly turning his head
Very good job! I think if Dauda continues to improve he might challenge Coleman some day.
The separstion on ron is next level
There is a video from arnold classic 2001 with the lineup on youtube,you can see ron next to dexter there. Please compare those with samsons video that would make justice for how crazy ron looked . Good content by the way 👌
Hadis Lats separation and Quads feathering is crazy
Good job bro keep it up
No 03 Jay was about 15 to 20 lbs heavier than 09 Cutler. Cutler himself said he downsized 20lbs for 09 O
He said backstage that he was 255 in '03. He also said that a scale said that Ronnie was 275 and not 287......so who knows?
One has 3% bodyfat (Ronnie) and the other one 8% (samson) i guess . So that's the difference
Ronnie looks bigger in almost every pose tbh , i really don't get how is Samson 20 pounds heavier
Samson is taler and does have a higher fat %. That's why he can be heavier
@@Realistic265bro in google they both are 5’11
On google they both are 5’11
@@Realistic265lmao the fat % is not the difference. He just has more muscle period
Ronnie has a small head so he looks bigger
There's no way he's 18 lbs heavier than RC. And, I expected to say that Samson came close due to better aesthetics but WOW ....Ronnie crushed him. Light weight.
So in terms of height I have got Phil Heath at 5"9, Big Ramy at "5.9, Ronnie Coleman 5"10.5, Samson Dauda at 5"11. Gunter at 6"1.
In terms of Maximum onstage Olympia weights Phil Heath 255lb, Big Ramy 308lb, Ronnie Coleman 294lb, Samson 305lb, Gunter 302lb.
We know when Big Ramy won he was on stage in the 290's but there is good evidence to sugggest he weighed as much as 308lb in 2015. It is claimed he was 315lb on stage at the 2015 Arnold Brazil which he won.
So given all of this evidence for me there has only been 3 body builders who weighed over 300lb on stage and finished in the top 5 at the Olympia :
- Gunter 302lb in 2002.
- Big Ramy max 308lb in 2015 but over 300lb probably 3 times.
- Samson Dauda 305lb 2024.
Ronnie top weight was 294lb in 2004.
Andrew Jacked (6"2) may also achieve this feat also in the next few years.
Samson could lose 30 pounds to be as shredded as Ronnie.
He doesn't have 30 lbs to lose lol he's at about 5% on stage, so he's got maybe 15lbs of fat on his whole body. If that drops below 3%, he literally would die. So that's 6 lbs of fat. Maybe he could drop a bit more water too. Assume that he could drop another 6 lbs of water, but again, any more and he's dead. That's 12 pounds.
@@smitabhmoitra5726he’s not 5%. Ronnie is 5% and way drier. You underestimate how much water Samson has to lose. 30 pounds is an exaggeration make it 20 pounds and he’s smaller than Ronnie. This 305lbs has to be a BS number.
@Felale Ronnie is at 4% or less. No way is this version of Samson above even 6%.
@@smitabhmoitra5726Samson doesn’t even have the death face.
@@smitabhmoitra5726he was in the high 7ens lmao
i really liked the scalling
You are the best my man
I love Samson's body but I just wish he'd come in more cut up. I like that the Olympia is pushing the more aesthetic look but I still wanna see conditioning like Hadi but honestly it could be even better than that!
Ronnie absolutely dwarfs and exposes Phils small frame... Its Phils biggest drswback is his small frame, while Coleman has a monstrous for his height.
lighting is different, they didnt lean into the back poses to fake depth and so on. Ronnie is King
Ronnie is from a different planet no comparison.
dude, you have to do Ronnie 04 russian grand prix vs samson, tahts the true battle
Interesting analysis!
I was confused by the scaling initially when using Jay, but it made sense after changing the scale unit to Hadi.
I thought Ronnie clearly won the 2 front poses.
I thought Samson beat Ronnie in the 2 side poses.
Then Ronnie edged out Samson (but didn't clearly dominate him) in the 2 back poses.
The detail seemed similar, but Ronnie's density and muscularity beat out Samson's.
Although in the given pics, Ronnie's width didn't seem to be there in the back lat spread.
I think Ronnie barely edged out Samson in the back lat spread; it didn't seem definitive to me.
And in both back poses, his glutes were massive. I couldn't look away lmao.
Then I gave the abs and thighs to Ronnie, for better flow and aesthetics.
And I gave the most muscular to Ronnie, for better conditioning and separation.
So 6-2 to Ronnie.
That's my analysis.
If someone disagrees, don't just say "You're stupid." or "You're wrong." Give me good reasons why you disagree.
Ronnie probably inch shorter than Samson but his 287 just looked different he was peeled thin skinned. Samson just looks big and tight waist though but back looks smaller arms smaller I wish Ronnie bent his knee when flexing the quads
bro on google they both are 5’11
@@Dusty-t1p bro they said Phil is 5’9
@@ElssaAbom Phil? Here is a video of CBum himself saying he is “about 6 foot” how many guys u know 6’1 and half say they are about 6 feet it’s always guys little shorter than 6 feet say that
th-cam.com/users/shortsbR7CjQhBNLc?si=Gk3rQcn5qgPGQ6X5
1999 was the best Ronnie brought in my humble opinion
I am old enough to remember the 80's and 90's BB. I can tell you now, regardless of 4K, digital cameras etc, there is no comparison to the current line up. Ronnie, DY, Nasser, Dillet, Ruhl, Lee P, Jay, would have wiped the floor with them all. They might be using Diuretic's to dry out but they are still not as lean, and when you take the 20lbs of fat off and remove the bubble guts they would be no heavier either. For all you younger guys who didn't get to see any of these guys, look up Adreas Munzer if you want to see what condition looks like. Makes all the modern day Olympians look 8 weeks out.
Yeah and munzer died hours later do we really want ppl dying in the name of vanity
He also placed very low at that conditioning and passed away trying to be too conditioning. The human body can only take so much
I don't know why you used Munzer as an example. None of the other dudes you mentioned had conditioning close to his and we saw how that cost him his life.
You're looking at things through rose tinted glasses. Nasser and Jay were hardly leaner than Samson was at this show and Hadi's conditioning would blow out every 90's guy you mentioned other than Ronnie and Yates.
@@MR12AMAZING yeah but Munzer didn't place very high with that condition guys like Lee Haney, Shawn Ray, Vince Taylor, Bob Paris blew him out the water.
Remember muscle weighs more than fat. Ronnie is all muscle.
Its hard to believe that ronny was lighter than samson
Samson's physique is more aesthetic. Ive never liked Ronnies structure. There is little to no taper.
I didnt saw samson bragging abt his weight anywhere😂
samson held up so well besides ronnie
Big ron is way way more conditioned and Samson carries more weight in body fat and bone mass because he is taller but ron has more lean muscle mass
Great video. Scaling was excellent. But Ronnie is NOT or was not 5'11. I spoke with him in 2005 as he was guest posing at a show I was in. He was at least 2 in shorter than me, and I'm 5'11.
Let's revisit this comparison in a couple years, and see how Samson does then. He may end up winning an additional pose, maybe two. The guy makes progress every single year... actually every 6 months, so 🤔 🙌🏽
Ronnie is obviously the GOAT, however I really really like the flow of Sampson.
On a pure bodybuilding perspective, Ronnie takes it - but I’d argue from innate aspects like structure and flow and proportions Samson is more aesthetic.
in minute 8:14 and in 10:57 you can see the big difference in their backs.
Ronnie is the one and only, whose back is looking like a diamond. His neck is extraterrestrial !!!
Samsons and all others Back are looking only like a Geometry triangle with the tip pointing down.
And his bicep peak also is from an other planet.
Tbf samson weighed 305 middle of the day on a full stomach with clothes/ shoes on. He’s probably closer to 285-290
who confirmed that samson really was 305 stage weight?
Can you do Flex 1999 vs the top 4 2024?
flex wipes the floor
@@zarfo2667 How? Everyone complains about Samsons conditioning but Flex never came in peeled. Flex always had soft glutes and hamstrings just like Samson. Samson is maybe 50lbs heavier with equally good shape and the same conditioning, Flex would have no chance.
Add 30 pounds to Samson’s gut, and you will have Romney Colman.
Someones pretty blind
Lmao and add 30lbs to his thighs, back, arms, chest, hamstrings, glutes and delts, maybe then Samson could hang with Coleman
These pictures dont do Ronnie any justice. you have to watch his 2003 Pre Judging to see why he's a monster. He didn't hold all that water in pre judge.
Samson was not 305lbs on stage lol. And even if so the dudes look is about 3 weeks out from the show. No separation, no detail, watery and smooth.
What simmetry in samson back? The lats are very asymmetrical
Sampson is about 6ft and ronnie is actually about 5'10
Our current top bodybuilders just don't compare to the past bodybuilders, Coleman, Wheeler, Ray, Cormier, Cutler, Dalette, Leveone, Priest, Heath, Dexter, Wolf, Kai Greene, Branch Warren, Victor Martinez , would all beat today's top guys......
Samson is much taller than Ronnie
They're both 5ft 11.
Samson is the most impressive olympian since phil heath in 13 or 11 imo. Not coleman but who is. Impressive physique samson has
Inches can be broken down into smaller segments.
can we compare ronnie 98/99 physique, thats the peak BB for me.
Opinion: I prefer Samson's look in every pose.
Result: I think Ronnie probably wins. 😀
To he honest i think samson should be made just a fraction smaller he looks way taller and has his knees bent a bit more in some pictures
bro in google they both are 5’11
Ronnie was on stage with Phil lol just look at those pics
Ronnie looks noticably bigger and harder
Like I said on a different TH-cam channel Samson is heavier but Ronnie is bigger.
ronnie was insane
That's why is call the past dude.
A simple remark 98/99 ronnie IS THE BEST BB OF ALL TIMES, while 2003 ia the biggest and freakiest, its not the best version of king ronnie
Coleman's quad's and hamstrings are bigger and better than dauda's
not quads. Ronnie quads are better but not big.
@@Aditya-id2el he had 36 inches thighs in 2003
@@Aditya-id2elwhat? He literally beats even Jay Cutler in leg size, for the lack of pure separation and shape he makes up in size
But Samson has baby butt 😂😂😂
His posing makes it small
Comparing open bodybuilding and classic is unfair brother!
1998 1999 2003 Olympia Coleman and 01 Arnold Colman can’t be beaten by any body bodybuilder that has ever lived and most likely ever will .
Stop the comparison...he's not at Ronnie's level.
If you look side by side ronnie vs samson gluts and hamstring Samson looks like a amateur
Yeah samson claims 304 but he looks no bigger than a 257 1999 ronnie Coleman at the same height
The photo Phil shows is completely blurry. Very poor comparison. 1:33 / 10:57
To get to Ronnie's level naaaa
I dont see 18lbs difference ! Only if Samson has titanium rods 😂 for bones
Honestly Ronnie is so comical looking with the muscle bellies, the detail and thickness I think even Samson would just have to laugh and would accept his defeat graciously. Samson is a very big guy, but it's not put together the way Ronnie is. Ronnie has small joints, his waist started off smaller than Samson could ever dream, his glutes and biceps make no sense. His back is thick like a manlet and yet he isn't short at all. Same with the quads, the muscle just hangs off them, such as the ab+thigh, his legs are just nonsensical looking.
Who wins the front double "gyno" pose?
This is the most overrated version of Coleman. He's definitely more muscular but people acting like he's wildly out conditioning Samson are simply nostalgic for older eras. He's not anywhere near dry or separated absent of the glutes and hamstrings.
Samson 183cm.rony 180.4cm
Andrew is the closest to Ronnie in the Front lat spread
Ronnie posing like Ramon: a bit very bad sometimes.
Ronnie is ronnie there is only one big Ron he's far far thicker and denser but personally I prefere the classic looking lines of samson I think he will hold the title for awile.
Wasn't Ramy also over 300?
Only Ronnie Coleman
But I digress.. I use it more now