The Real Battleship that inspired the Separatist “Malevolence”
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- The story of the super battleship Malevolence was an important early story arc in the clone wars. Today we look at the real life influence behind this massive vessel.
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You have summoned the Sabaton fans.
"2000 men and 50,000 tons of steel, set the course for the Atlantic with the Allies on their heel."
On the topic of the Bismarck, fun fact, did you know that every time it fired its guns, It would damage its own radar.
Well, the French didn't want Germany to pay reparations, they wanted to permanently break Germany up back into their pre-unification era. The British managed to convince the French to calm down a bit. And by a bit, they mean instead of permanent break up, how about we make them pay approx. 800 trillion pounds (something that would take them well into the first decade of the 21st century to pay back). Which btw might or not have partially caused the Great Depression. And then not only partially causing the Great Depression but also their economy got made worse by the Great Depression itself (it also didn't help that the Weimar Republic was printing money to fund rebellions against Allied Occupation forces). It caused them to have to issue a new Deutschemark (I forgot what the name of it was), which is about 1 trillion marks. This didn't stop it so for about 10 years the Weimar Republic had to subsist on what are essentially, barter trades.
On the topic about how badly the French handled itself in enforcing the Treaty. The British, during the Great Depression realized Germany could no longer pay back its share of the reparations, so they let Germany stop paying its installment for the time being till their economy could restart or recover. The French however, invaded and occupied the Rhine so they could forcefully make factories produce goods in order to get their share of the reparations. Which further worsened the German economy and in turn actually made the Great Depression worse in Europe. They were horrible. But they also got cocky which led to the downfall of the Second French Republic.
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Thats interesting, so i can proudly say "the french are the reason for the great depression and world war 2!"@@firesturmgaming
Now I want to make a video called “Why France ruined the world”
@@OR56 i support you
Love that thumbnail. I never thought the Malevolence looked like a shark until you put a googly eye on it
I don't know what you're talking about that's clearly a stock photo
@@GenerationTechhonestly I thought that the malovance was inspired by either the USS Missouri or the Japanese super battleship yamato and not the Bismarck
lmao yeah 1 second into the video but had to comment cuz that is a top notch thumbnail
And I suppose you're also a member of the imperial senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan?..
@@Coalition2298qy. It is inspired by the Bismarck because, like the Bismarck, the Malevolence was, at the time, the largest ship in the galaxy, it raided convoys, was hunted by the Republic, who moved fleets to certain areas of the galaxy to intercept the ship, and was crippled by Torpedoes, much like the Bismarck, who had his rudder damaged by torpedoes dropped from British Aircraft. The Executor on the other hand, fits the Yamato bill perfectly, as it was bigger than the Malevolence, and like the Yamato which was destroyed before the fall of the Japanese Empire, the Executor was destroyed before the subsequent fall of the Galactic Empire.
Lots of the Clone Wars and Star Wars in general has real military history connections
The old Dam Busters/Death Star trench run, classic example.
Okay okay okay I think this may be cooky but still
In WWII during the battle of midway, a bomber attempted to ram the bridge of the IJN Kaga, however banked off last minute and plunged into the sea
I wonder, did this inspire the destruction of the executor in return of the Jedi, the bridge being rammed by a fighter
Hmm
I think they also said that star wars was inspired heavily by ww2
Once more, Star Wars draws from real-world naval history. A shame we don't have a parallel to the Solomons slugfest or Battle of Leyte Gulf (which famously saw several destroyers, escort carriers, and a few glorified corvettes drive off Japan's biggest and meanest remaining battleships).
Or have the Resolute or Negotiator (Anakin and Obi-Wan's Venators) as the Enterprise for the GAR.
"The only reason they survived was because the shells where to effective"
@@ph89787the lucky E and the lucky N
There are several reasons for the victory in the gulf of Leyte. 1. The US had broken the Japanese military codes 2. The US continued to advance the aerial technology of our air planes. The Japanese did not do this. I am one of the few people who has actually sat in and examined a Zero and later Grumman airplanes F4F & F6F Wildcat & Hellcat. My father also shot down several a Zero’s in WW2 - they were very light and had no armor. Thus they were not protected against ground fire.
No, that’s the inaccurate pop culture version of Leyte Gulf.
The ACTUAL version is that the Japanese lost the battle before it even started simply because they were five days too late to actually catch the American landing forces at sea, that the Japanese decoy only partially succeeded because it only lured away one American fleet when the Americans had sent two, and that it was actually airpower from escort carriers that did most of the damage and played the largest role in the Japanese retreat.
The Executor is also quite reminiscent of Bismarck. Right down to the fact it was crippled by a single fighter craft scoring a "critical hit" what caused a steering input that led to the ship's destruction.
Es war kein einziger Treffer sie hatte nach der hood schon 17grad Schlagseite.
@@Bly12014 I was referring to the single hit that jammed the rudder. Like Bismarck, Executor had also suffered significant (but survivable) damage before the fatal blow. It was the single Fairy Swordfish scoring a lucky hit (or an A-Wing hitting **just** the right spot on the bridge tower) that truly doomed it.
@@Bly12014Bismarck could have possibly dodged the RN for long enough to be permanently Tirpitz'd at Brest
feels more like yamato no=?
PRIDE OF A NATION, A BEAST MADE OF STEEL. BISMARCK IN MOTION, KING OF THE OCEAN, HE WAS MADE, TO RULE THE WAVES, ACROSS THE SEVEN SEAS.
From the mist, a shape, a ship, is taking form
And the silence of the sea is about to drift into a storm
Sign of power, show of force
Raise the anchor, battleship's plotting its course
Pride of a nation, a beast made of steel!
Bismarck in motion, king of the ocean!
He was made to rule the waves across the seven seas!
To lead the war machine!
To rule the waves and lead the Kriegsmarine!
@@thatonewaspatyourpicnic7978 The Terror of the seas
Bismark and the kriegsmarine
2000 meni and 50 000 tons of steel
Set a course for the Atlantic
with the Allies on their heel
@@lukalovric2463sign of power
show of force
raise the anchor battleships plotting its course
@@obi-wankenobi7041 [Power Metal intensifies]
@@lukalovric2463Firepower!
Fire fight!
Battle stations! Keep the targets steady in sight!
Once you study the hunt for the Bismarck you realize how much it influenced star wars like there's even a moment right out of lukes attack run on the death star
Destruction of first death star is actually based of bombing run on german dams by 617th bomb squadron.
Especially if you consider that the Swordfish Torpedo Bombers were so outdated, that the air defence fire from the Bismark went right through them without doing any critical damage. Apparently one of them had a hundred plus holes in it when it returned to the carrier.
And that was the last run they could do, because any later and the Bismark would have gotten air support before anyone could have reached her again. I don't want to think about the resources the Allies would have needed to keep her bottled up in that port and what that would have done to the war. I shudder at the thought of the Bismark turning up on D-Day.
You can even see some of the turbolasers of the Malevolence looking like the Bismarck’s secondary turrets
@@Dreamfox-df6bg also there was a moment when one of the sword fish pilots kept hearing a voice telling him "not yet not yet" when he turned back he realized his co pilot was leaning halfway out of the plane to get a better view of the ocean
@@Dreamfox-df6bg it most likely would have ended up taking part in the infamous Channel Dash of February 1942. Although it would have linked up with the rest of Germany's battleships including the Tirpits, the Kriegsmarine would have still most likely been limited to operations in the Arctic sea with the Royal Navy doubling their efforts to destroy them. With the reinforcement of US warships it would have never gotten close to the landings at Normandy
Remember the Piorun. A Polish torpedo boat roughly 1/10th the size of the Bismarck, that spent nearly 12 hours trading fire with the battleship at the equivalent of knife-fighting distance, continually broadcasting "I am a Pole. Three salvos for the honor of Poland." Supposedly during the fighting, the crew brought musical instruments onto the deck and began playing the Polish national anthem.
Not only did she not take a single hit, but the only reason she stopped fighting was because she was in danger of not having enough fuel to make it back to shore.
She's more than earned her place in history.
as a pretty solid general rule the smaller the ship the crazier the stuff it got up too. also the smaller the ship the more of them there were for there to be statistical anomalies and the more survivable the ship the more odds of someone actually wanting to write about what happened. destroyers were relatively small ships explicitly intended to go off and fight things *way* bigger than they were which kinda had a tendency to never frieking die unless their ammo stowage went up. there are individual destroyers with longer battle records than entire classes of battleship with half of the entries on that list being up against 10 times their tonnage.
torpedo boats (Piorun was a destroyer btw) got up to even more insane stuff but they didn't have the same tendency to live through the most absurd nonsense so you don't see as much of it passed on and talked about, river troop transports quite literally _only_ operate under insane conditions (locked into a known rout with limited room to maneuver in hostile territory with zero possibility of stealth) but they also tend to be doing something classified and frankly they probably do a whole lot of stuff that they don't really want to talk about because their only real defense against so much as a single redneck with a gun is too kill anything that they see first.
Not only apparently, the Piorun's actions actually helped in the finale. Apparently, the Piorun harassed them so much, they weren't in the highest mental and physical state to properly put up a fight when the main fleet cornered the Bismarck.
The Pioirun was an N-class destroyer and was supposed to simply keep track of the Bismarck along with the tribal class destroyer Maori. Both destroyers fired at the battleship in an attempt to cripple it. Armed only with six 4.7 in dual-purpose guns, the Pioirun came in close enough to exchange fire with the Bismarck, which have both eight 15-in guns, but also 12 5.9 in guns designed specifically to sink destroyers.
1) the Piorun was a destroyer
2) she was part of a pack of 5 destroyers who surrounded the Bismarck and attacked simultaneously, constantly charging in for torpedo attacks and then retreating as soon as German fire got somewhat accurate.
3) they engaged at night, and the weather was absolutely horrible (even for North Atlantic standards)
...but yeah the polish navy was pretty epic in ww2.
There are records of the RN DD crews and commanders remarking on their actions and expressing the respect and utter awe of what they were doing. Can't remember who said it but there is a typically very British quote from one of the captains stating "at one point we thought they were going to ram her! They did things like that" 😂 From a Royal Navy veteran cpt that's high praise. Polish Navy were highly respected by the vast majority of RN that had the privilege of serving along side them.
From the mist, a shape, a ship is taking form.....
And the silence of the sea is about to drift into a storm
Anakin's original plan was to hit the bridge of the Malevolence taking out Grievous, unfortunately the point defense system of the malevolence was too powerful and many of Anakin' pilots where killed, considering the impossibility of strike effectivly the bridge Ploo Koon suggested to redirect the torpedoes on the main guns of the Malevolence.
Just a reminder of how Plo Koon was one of the most wisest jedi of all time.
Plo was one of the best Jedi imo, he not only was a perfect Jedi according to the code/ideals, but he was also smarter than most others and not arrogent or egotistical. Not to mention his combat prowess was among the best as well.
well it’s quite obvious if you can’t hit the best spot you go for the second best thing
"Into formation, the hunt has begun
Death and damnation, the fleet is coming
He was made to rule the waves across the seven seas
To lead the war machine
To rule the waves and lead the Kriegsmarine
The terror of the seas
The Bismarck and the Kriegsmarine!"
I kinda want a Sabaton album on the Clone Wars. Or just Star Wars in general.
@@swedishviking9124that would be insane
One historical and funny fact about the Bismark's destruction is what happened before the main fleet showed up. An N-Class Destroyer the ORP Piorun (G65) with a Polish crew engaged the Bismark in May 1941 . Apparently the Polish crew wanted Nazi Germany to know exactly who they were as they sent a message to the Bismark saying just three words .. " I am a Pole". Before opening up with everything they had while dodging the fire from the Bismarck and paying the Polish national anthem, they did this for several hours until the Piorun ran out of ammo and low on fuel and had to fall back.
So by the next morning when the rest of the Royal Navy showed up the Bismarck's crew were already exhausted from being up all night trying to hit this destroyer that kept shooting at them and playing music for hours unending.
Mission requirements: Build a big cannon.
US Defense Contractors: We've been building missiles for decades.
BAE, Inc.: Stand aside, yanks. We've got this. Anyone order a massive Howitzer?
The main difference was that the Malevolence was ultimately relatively expendable while the Bismarck was fully 1/4 of the WW2 Germany's modern capital ship strength, actually just a bit more as two, the Scharnhorst class, were more like battlecruisers/light battleships. The Reich made a big oopsie in focusing on capital ships as the British pre-war assessment was that a German fleet made for a "cruiser war" was the most dangerous form it could take while a balanced fleet like the Royal Navy's was the least threatening.
1\4 ? The 3\4 were Gneisenau,
Scarnhorst ,tirpitz?
@@sumukhvmrsat6347 Correct.
@@sumukhvmrsat6347 Of the modern capital ships, yes. They also had a couple of obsolete pre-dreadnought battleships still in service at the time which were mainly used for shore bombardment. One of them, the Schleswig-Holstein, fired the first shots of WW2 in the European theatre.
I don't think there is a great comparison to Malevolence in real life, but the best analogue is Yamato in my mind.
@@AmosDohms Bismark was on-par with her contemporaries.
The Yamato and Musashi were in a league of their own when they were built.
A little thing the Prince Eugen is pronounced, Prince Oigen. 😉
Oi-gun
Not in english, oigen is the German pronunciation. Both yuu-gen and oi-gun are technically correct.
@@BritBattler makes me want to say Oi-Oi-Oi-gun… 🤷🏻♂️
"In 24 BBY the Clone Wars had begun; Grievous had the biggest ship that had us on the run; Malevolence was the nightmare ship that had hideous Ion Guns; Her armor and firepower had the Republic on the run;
We'll find that Separatist Battleship that is the talk of the Outer Rim; We'll take the battle to Grievous and then take his swords from him; Anakin and Plo Koon sought them out with Obi-Wan; We'll find a way inside before the setting of the sun" - Jani Hrtaon, "Take The Malevolence", a hit song circa 22 BBY
I understood that reference, and I love it
*_Malevolance, rise!_*
*_King of the black skies_*
*_He was made to rule the dark across the Outer Rim!_*
*_To lead the war machine!_*
*_To rule the dark and lead the Separatists!_*
*_The terror in the dark,_*
*_Malevolance and Grievous._*
@@christianbryan6961 You should hear the cover by The Azur Brothers, prior to the death of Ekaj Azur, still mourned by his brother Doowel.
This doesn't read real well but it has spirit.
@@punbug4721 [slow power metal intensifies]
I’m a Dragonforce fan so I prefer fast power metal, but I can see why people like Sabaton
couple of notes:
1. Germany Signed a Naval Treaty with the UK allowing them to build not only the two Bismarck Class Battleships, but also the two Scharnhorst Class Battleships
2. The Bismarck Class did not have an advantage in Firepower over the Nelson and the King George V Classes of Battleships. The King George V had two more guns than the Bismarck, and whilst they were only 14" guns, they performed about as well as most 15" guns, like the Bismarck had, and the Nelsons had only one more gun, but those guns were all 16" guns.
3. The Armour of the Bismarck Class was not only not as thick as that of those two Classes of ships, but the Armour layout was also flawed.
4. You mentioned the Rodney (Nelson Class) and King George V (King George V Class) attempting to chase down the Bismarck. First of all, the Bismarck had already received enough damage to her engines, rudder and hull to not be able to reach those 31kn of speed, and second of all, out of those three ships, she was the only one to end up on the bottom of the ocean.
5. The Royal Navy was not completely unprepared to fight the Bismarck. The Hood and Prince of Wales were both more powerful than the Bismarck on their own. Together, they clearly outgunned the Bismarck and Heavy Cruiser Prinz Eugen. However, the Bismarck landed a lucky shot (and I do mean lucky, that was around 1 in a million) which caused the magazine explosion you mentioned and sank the Hood in mere minutes. Alone the Prince of Wales was outgunned by the two German Vessels, and so she retreated. The reason half the Royal Navy went to hunt the Bismarck is because she had just sunk the Hood, the most powerful ship in the world and the pride of the Royal Navy, and to be frank, they were pissed of and wanted revenge.
6. You said Vichy occupied France. Vichy France was the non occupied parts of France. Bismarck was heading for German occupied France. But I'm not too mad at this one, it happens.
Overall, yes, the Bismarck Class were still formidable ships, but that's because they were Battleships (Superdreadnoughts, to be specific), and all Battleships are formidable ships. Even older ones, like the Queen Elizabeth Class, being deadly oponents (with the Warspite, one of those ships, having one of the best records from any ship in WW2) and could still easily keep up with newer ones, outside of speed.
Also, any Battleship can easily outgun an Artillery Brigade
Hood beating Bismarck 1v1? Dont get me wrong, i agree woth most of what you said but theres just no way hood is beating Bismarck in such a manner.
@@cold_raptor It was absolutely possible for Hood to sink Bismark 1 on 1. But I certainly wouldn't put my money on Hood, as she was at this point in time.
@@piney4562 possible? Sure. Likely? Not so much.
@@cold_raptor I believed he meant the task force of Hood+Prince of Wales should have been, theoretically, able to take out Bismarck and Prinz Eugen, not each ship alone. Both the British ships had issues with Hood being desperately in need of drydock and refit while PoW was so fresh off the yard that she wasn't fully ready for combat yet.
@@klade5031 fair enough.
IRL - The Bismark and Tirpitz were hardly the overpowered battleships media claim them to be.
The main battery and armor were on-par with contemporary Battleships.
Her only real advantage was speed.
However, the design was VERY inefficient.
Compared to the Richelieu class or the Littorio class, or the planned Lion class (what would become the King George V class), the Bismark looks pretty average.
The capability per ton of bismark is not high.
The gun layout was old fashioned and made for broadside exchanges, rather than a modern 3 triple turrets.
The armor was also made for taking broadside hits rather than angled to deal with plunging fire.
The secondary armament was that odd German mix of 5.9" and 4.1" guns - it would have been meat in the Pacific.
Eh, a couple knots faster than a North Carolina class while being 6000 tonnes heavier.
And if the best thing the Germans could do with it was use it as a raider, then it and their other capital ships were a huge waste.
Really a lot of the German ships were over rated. The Admiral Hippers weren't really superior to treaty cruisers of the allies, while being at least 5000 tons heavier.
@@recoil53 Its far to easy to shit on the german ships when you also have to consider that germany had a couple of years where development practicly standing still due to restrictions and they just where building up their military and wheren´d even finished with it at the start of ww2 while the other nations had their military already in a conflict ready state. With the royal navy they had also the strongest navy of that time basicly on their front door.
@@Phoenixfede1989 I really only have to consider the end product. WHY they are flawed is a different question. IRL only WHAT the ship is matters.
@@recoil53 IRL context matters too or mistakes of the past are happen again. Judging only on outcome alone would lead to such takes like "germans where all bad people thats why they followed the funny mustache man painter"
So funny that you're posting about the malevolence when I literally just bought a Lego version and it just came today mind blown🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂😂😂
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3:34 Expanding on this to the modern day, the French have been "highly controversial" for all the arms dealing they've done since the 50s or so. They didn't exactly "sell to anyone", but they were constantly abusing legal loopholes and trying to get away with as much military commerce as possible to keep their own MIC afloat. I feel that the French were between a rock and a hard place post-WWII, but nonetheless I think it's an understatement to say that they could've been more mindful of who they were selling to in Africa, Asia, the middle east, etc.
Not to say that other countries didn't make similar mistakes, the F-14 sales to Iran were an especially egregious example, but the French have managed to stay "under the radar" for too long when it comes to their geopolitical reputation.
The French are commonly known to be cowardly because of myths surrounding WWI/WWII and that are a near-total farce, but they don't catch any flak for selling contemporary tech to dictators, tyrants, and sometimes even terrorists. It's weird, especially when just about any other country gets raked over the coals for pulling similar stunts.
(Disclaimer, I don't dislike the French or anything, nearly every country is guilty of terrible crimes, more people should know about the true history of any given country though and this pertains to the video)
And also France is the 2nd biggest arms exporter in the world.
“Fans” hate on Clone Wars season 1, but man, this was such a cool arc.
It feels like "Fans" hate on every part of SW.
I agree, this arc was really good.
Never thought I'd see the story of the Bismarck appear on a sci-fi channel, but I'm glad it did.
Gotta point out, The Bismarck was sunk before Operation Barbarossa, so effect on Soviet Lend Lease, is theoretical. Point stands, surface raiders like her and Tirpitz, were a constant headache. I do in fact wonder, if Clone Wars ever had a story similar to Tirpitz', a, solo ship fleet in being, requiring the republic to use loads of resources, just in case it she ever tried to break out.
Just in case anyone is inspired to look into these real life behemoths that inspired fictional ones, TH-camr by the name of Drachinifel has a whole channel of the stuff, and a nice nearly two hour documentary on Operation Rheinübung, the sinking of Bismarck.
3:36 As a Frenchie, what can I say but "You're welcome"
I heard a song when I read your comment! 😂
same as you
but to be faire the economic colaps of gemany is more an american thing than a french thing
its the economic colaps of the american + the loan that they forcfuly push on germany that cose the hyperinflation and deflation that cosed the arriva of hitler to power.
so technicly speaking is more the american than us that cause the conflicte
but its understandable they where unremarkable on the first one so they needed a seconde one to shine :)
and to all thos who will coment that france lose the seconde one just remember that when germani invaded france they lose almost 60% of ther army in the process
so yes your welcome ;)
Read that in the rocks voice like the song, makes it all the better 😏
now France we all know who the real war criminal is points at Canada look it up then you realize we we are here to protect you from them!
As a brit, "this is why we don't let you have nice things" *raises two to show I've still got them*
the malevolence and bismarck, weakness was corrected by Vader's executor class dreadnaught having several star destroyer escort fleets
Of course! I never saw it but the swordfish torpedo bombers are perfect for y wings. It makes so much sense now!!!
It's been 4 years of me wanting Allen to cover the Malevolence and Bismarck. I can finally rest now.
Bismarck was actually a quite terribly designed battleship by WWII standards compared to what everyone else had, with her heavy armour actually providing poor protection due to it being badly arranged (in fact she was the worst-protected WWII-era generation battleship), and the ship in general being inefficiently designed. This doesn’t even get into the issue that building new battleships turned out to be a horrible idea in WWII (though neither the Axis nor the Allies realized this in time), especially for a country like Nazi Germany that faced severe geographical limitations on sea power.
The Malevolence is honestly based on the false MYTHS about what Bismarck was (a massive threat that had the potential to wipe out fleets) rather than what Bismarck ACTUALLY was (a ship that was not only built based on a concept that had become obsolete by the time she entered service, but was also badly designed and often flat-out inferior and weaker even compared to her contemporary counterparts in other navies that were also doctrinally obsolete upon commissioning). Both the other Axis powers and the Western Allies had far better battleship designs, we just don’t see them as being better simply due to the fact they also turned out to be pointless and wasteful (because, again, by that point the battleship concept in general was obsolete) so they never ended up doing much.
I am happy someone said it. The Bismarck even though it weighed just about 10,000 tonnes more than the King George V class, a class too many people see as inferior, the King Georges had more armour and a better armour layout.
Eh. Bismarck was just average. Not great, not terrible. It's also inaccurate to call battleships obsolete at this point. They still served a critical function in all theatres. The development of jet aircraft and missiles are what rendered battleships obsolete.
@@Cailus3542
Compared to what everyone else was getting? She’s inferior. Not by a lot, but keep in mind that she was intended as a Richelieu killer and Richelieu ended up being more powerful (same guns and speed but far better armour) while also being smaller.
Battleships served as oversized cruisers, destroyers or monitors for the most part rather than as capital ships in WWII, and the sheer expense of battleships meant that the only reason people built them to start with was to use them as capital ships.
The Bismarcks claim to fame is that it not only hit a battle ship in the opening, meaning first, Salvo but sank it at the same time. To remind you computers were just starting to be implemented on the latest American battle ships and all this needs to be done by math and and an optical range finder and even then you are most likely going to miss which is why you do a "bracketing" Salvo where each gun fires at slightly different angles and judge the corrections by the the shell splashes. The ship, atleast by first impressions was deadly accurate.
What killed the ship was that the ammunition for the anti aircraft guns timers did not go below 200 mph for targets in the settings believing that no modern airforce at the time would field anything slower than that. To the Germans surprise the British, who treated aircraft carriers as an unimportant novelty, where still using ww1 swordfish torpedo bombers. They go about like 96 mph, maybe 140 on a dive tops. So the anti air guns were exploding far before they reached the planes making it, while stressful, relatively easy to make torpedo runs. Getting the rudder damaged is absolutely terrible. Not only does it make it harder, if not impossible, to withdraw but try training battery fire on a constant turn, its not like world of warships or battle stations midway where it's point and shoot. It's figure out where's the target, calculate how far is the target, calculate the the current vector of the target, calculate the needed angle to reach the target while taking account of its heading. And above all that, do that while taking account of your ships own heading. It's alot harder to do all that on a constant turn as the angle and rotation of the guns are at a constant. The rest is just academic as I believe just about any ship would have been doomed regardless if it was in the Bismarcks position.
Now if the ship didn't have that hit maybe it could have stood a chance, without the rudder damage it could easily fight back or withdraw to safe harbors. Maybe the one volley one kill was just a lucky fluke or the ship had great guns and gunners but again it's all academic because of the fact that a lucky shot got it before we could figure out if the hood was a lucky shot or a feat of German gunnery.
@@eddapultstab2078 the bismarck hit on its third salvo, not first, and it took a couple more salvos before it started hitting the actual Battleship in the engagement. Bismarck had a radar, which was damaged on the first firing of the guns at a heavy cruiser, the swordfish was actually from the 1930s, neither world of warships nor battlestations midway are point and shoot games and both require targeting, the rangefinding is just done for you. bismarck was also out of commission within 40 minutes of the last engagement. To restate an earlier point the one volley one kill is bull as it was 3 volleys and one lucky hit which came from a shell that was extremely inaccurate compared to its own salvo. it was some hundred metres away from the rest of the shells in that salvo which all overshot the hood. But regardless Bismarck is all built up on sinking one british ship that was 23 years old and in dire need of a refit and was also never designed as a battleship hunter as it was a battlecruiser and by royal navy design doctrine was supposed to stay away from battleship engagements.
This guy has to be the most level headed star wars fan i met, I saw one of his vids and i can't stop watching em
Prinz Eugen was pronounced wrong. In German, a syllable with “eu” is pronounced “oy”
Otherwise, great video. I love how Star Wars draws inspiration with World War 2 and parts of the Cold War.
Just a historical note: American Lend-Lease to the Soviet Union did not begin until after Germany invaded in 1942; up to that point, the two nations were nominally allied, thanks to the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact signed in 1939, which paved the way for Germany to invade Poland. The adventure of the Bismarck took place in 1940, before either Britain or the US even considered aiding the Soviets. At that point in the war, Britain was facing Germany alone. But, as you mentioned, Britain’s lifeline was over the oceans, with everything they needed coming in by ship from the Commonwealth nations and the British Empire, as well as the US (Pearl Harbor had not happened yet, either). As big as it was, the Royal Navy had its hands full and the Bismarck was another complication they did not need.
Good God, thank you sooooo much for this video!!! I've practically loved the Bismarck AND the Malevolence for all my life and I've memorized their stories in detail by heart.
I enjoy all of Generation Tech videos
So happy to see people actually bring up the similarities. When I realized it I couldn’t find any one mentioning it was directly inspired by the story.
I appreciate the historical background.
This was awesome thank you 🙏🙏🙏
Form the mist, a shape, a ship is taking form
love the real history lesson mixed with Star Wars lore.
13:27 the original plan was actually to use the bombers to take out the bridge and kill Grevious. But that didn’t work so they targeted the ion cannon as a backup
From the mist a shape a ship is taking form.
There's actually a song from the 60s called "Sink the Bismark" by Johnny Horton that is quite a pretty great and describes the various skrimishes leading up to the Bismarck's sinking. Was one of my late dads favorite songs I couldn't go without mentioning it haha
Awesome ❤ I never thought that the ship of the clone wars was inspired by the KMS Bismarck. It was miraculous and a lost art how they created 16 inch guns of the south Dakota class to the Iowa class battleships. Even more so the IJN Yamato and her 18 inch guns. I'm a history buff by the way. I had relatives who was in that war. Pretty much a tragedy. Even for the victors. It's result started the cold war and still holds the world hostage with the possibility of a Nuclear Winter. Sorry for rambling. Again great video ❤ btw it's pronounced Prinz Eugen (German pronunciation: [ˈpʁɪnts ɔʏˈɡeːn]) or ur- gan. Not Eugene. Have a great week.
I think another inspiration was the hunt for Admiral Graf Spee, as i found some similarities in the episodes:
Graf Spee served in the South Atlantic and sunk merchant convois never giving them the chance to send a rescue signal (same as the Malevolence in the first part)
One merchant ship got lucky and in the end the royal navy finally had an estimated position of the german cruiser, later intercepted by 3 british cruisers (same as in the episodes, plo koon's fleet is destroyed but sends a signal and the Malevolence is intercepted by 3 cruisers)
Damaged during the fight, Graf Spee fled to the Montevideo port for repairs while the 3 cruisers waited otside international waters (the cruisers following the Malevolence while they attempt repairs) only for her to be ultimately scuttled by her captain just outside the port (the Malevolence "self destruction" on the planet)
Just the thought of a youngster with a passion for history
This is the gen tech stuff I’m here for!
Minor nitpick: the reason why Bismarck was able to tank as many hits as she did was because they were fired from relatively short range and therefor mostly ended up hitting her belt armour. the design of Bismarcks armour scheme was relatively outdated by the time of ww2, as the germans essentially copied the armour layout of the Bayern-class. if the shots had been fired from a longer range, her deck armour would have not been able to withstand the fire she was taking.
Very cool thanks for the info
I think most hits were to the superstructure. A shell from a 14in and 16in gun from one of the two battleships present would have shattered the Bismarcks belt from the ranges of the battle of the Denmark strait. Most hits were to the superstructure, and more specifically a lot of HE was used. One of the few shells that was fired that hit the belt was one from Rodney which passed through like butter
0:54 always two there are, no more, no less
Never expected a World of Warships screen shot for the thumbnail of a video over here but I'm all for it. WG have their issues and WoWs has it's micro transactions up the whazoo BUT WG art dept have carried the crap out of that game since day one. Might be an arcade game but some of their ship models are some of the most accurate, detailed and beautiful recreations of these old warships you'll find 😊
This video also kinda makes me want to go looking for a Star Wars ship that encapsulates the spirit of the QE class HMS Warspite. She wasn't the biggest or grandest and isn't the best known of WW2 Battleships but HMS Warspite did more than HMS Hood, IJN Yamato and Bismarck combined even going out on her own terms instead of being sunk in action or used as a target ship. Her exploits and stories through WW1 AND WW2 are amazing.
Props to you for mentioning exactly what Bismarck and Tirpitz true threat was. A lot of people leave out the context. Yes, they were powerful ships but technically the Nelson class had them out gunned with their 9 16" and even though she would fall to Bismarck's guns, HMS Hood wasn't as outclassed as a lot of people assume. The true threat of these ships and their escorts was if they managed to break out into the Atlantic. Out there they'd be extremely hard to find again and even harder to chase down and force them into battle. It would have resulted in convoys having to have capital ships and carriers escorting them instead of the destroyers and corvettes being given that dusty. Royal Navy outnumbered KM by a lot coming into WW2 and were still the largest navy on the planet at that time but even they wouldn't have enough ships to cover convoy escort if the Bismarck's and Scharnhorst's had broken out.
Highly recommend naval historiographer Drachinifel here on YT. He has a video specifically on the Battle of Denmark straight and another video looking at HMS Hood and talking about a theory of how that shell made it into her magazine. The assumed weak deck armour is very much in question. Also the "charged right in" was not only to chase Bismarck down but it was to close the range so the threat of plunging fire onto her vulnerable deck armour was reduced. A turn was ordered and executed and she had started to answer the helm. She was making that turn to unmask her aft battery when she took the fatal hit.
I will say, I always thought the Malevolence was supposed to be the Yamamoto, considering Lucas’ love for Japanese history/culture
Executor Super Star Destroyer is obviously Yamato of Star Wars.
Anakins first plan was to bomb grievous in the command bridge but after quite a few loses he decided the gun was the best option
Out of the cold and foggy night, came a British Ship, the Hood...
I do love the historical inspirations.
🎶 From the mist a shape, a ship is taking form
And the silence of the sea’z about to drift into a storm
Sign of power! Show of force!
Raise the anchor, battleship’s plotting its course
Pride of a nation, a beast made of steel
Bismarck in motion, king of the ocean
He was made to rule the waves across the seven seas!
To lead the war machine
To rule the waves and lead the Kriegsmarine
The terror of the seas
The Bismarck and the Kriegsmarine
Two thousand men and fifty thousand tons of steel
Set a course for the Atlantic with the Allies on their heal
Firepower! Firefight!
Battle Stations, keep the target steady in sight!
Into formation the hunt has begun
Death and damnation, the fleet is coming
He was made to rule the waves across the seven seas
To lead the war machine
To rule the waves and lead the Kriegsmarine
The terror of the seas
The Bismarck and the Kriegsmarine
At the bottom of the ocean, the depths of the abyss
They are bound by iron and blood
The flagship of the navy, the terror of the seas
Its guns have gone silent at last!
Pride of a nation, a beast made of steel
Bismarck in motion, king of the ocean
He was made to rule the waves across the seven seas
To lead the war machine
To rule the waves and lead the Kriegsmarine
The terror of the seas
The Bismarck and the Kriegsmarine
To lead the war machine
To rule the waves and lead the Kriegsmarine
The terror of the seas
Bismarck and the Kriegsmarine
To lead the war machine
To rule the waves and lead the Kriegsmarine
The terror of the seas
Bismarck and the Kriegsmarine
The Malevolence arc in TCW was always be my favourite Star Wars Comparison to Real World history.
It literally is space Hunt For The Bismarck.
My Grandfather was a British naval man, and I respect his service to this day.
A milkyway in the USA is $2! Damn they're about .60p in the UK so maybe a bit over a $1 for conversion, and people here moan about the price of a Freddo.
Oh yeah inflation last year was pretty nuts… wait you guys have milk ways i thought you guys hated our “chocolate”
@@GenerationTech The UK version is made in the UK and has a slightly different filling and a UK variety of chocolate
The US Milky Way bar is what is sold as a Mars bar in the rest of the world. What we call a Milky Way is sold as a Three Musketeers bar in the US. Neither is an exact match as chocolate in the US has more butyric acid than in most chocolate, this is added to make the taste more similar to how it used to be when the milk used to make chocolate tended to be slightly off due to unrefrigerated transport and long distances between farms and chocolate plants.
You should talk about how the battle for Onderon is based on the US supplying Stinger Missiles to the Mujahideen to fight the soviets
More reason why I love the clone war series so much
My grandfather served on the German cruiser Prinz Eugen during WW2 and was on the mission with the Bismarck. Sadly he didn't like talking too much about this mission.
@GenerationTech another great video. Thanks for making it. Something you said in the video triggered a thought I had when I originally saw the Attack of the Clones: how did the Republic build up its forces so fast? You mentioned that essentially the Republic had no military at the beginning of the war, relying on local systems' constabularies, and of course the Jedi, to keep the peace. So how do you go from that to Venator class ships in the blink of an eye? I get that the clones were produced on Kamino in secret, but where'd they get all their tanks and gunships? Did Sifudious pay for all of that without the senate knowing? If so, who is keeping their books? BTW, if you answered this already in a video, please point me to it. Thanks!
The malevolence shows how powerful an ion focused ship would be. Though it would be better with lots of smaller ion cannons over one big target like it had. And as more of a support ship in a fleet. So it takes enemy ships shields and engines out, while the other ships destroy them and provide protection. Done right it would be near unbeatable.
Liked at 101st, which is cool because I served in the 101st. 😊
Awesome
Stuff like building ships is usually a skill with an expiration date. It'll fade if it isn't used.
2:27 I would argue that we do for instance aircraft carriers are around the same size as a battleship plus if we built it like one then we would have the labor and understanding to build one
I'd say Malevolence is more akin to that of the hunt for Graf Spee as they were both spotted and destroyed in similar engagements. The only thing Malevolence has thats akin to Bismarck's sinking is the all-or-nothing aerial play.
You know this is a serious video when the Adeptus Mechanicus is mentioned.
Very interesting choice on the thumbnail to not use the Rhienubung dazzle, and to have both Bismarck and Tirpitz. Also, my personal thoughts are, well, the Bismarck is fine... A good basic hook that gets people interested in naval history, but not the biggest, or the only, or longest, or highest calibre or anything. Famous for being sunk and being a political statement really.
Part of the reason why Bismarck absolutely obliterated the Hood was not only because it penetrated the Hood's armor, (which a single penetration likely would not have been enough) but also because it hit an ammunition locker. And the safety door(s) to the other lockers was/were likely left open to reduce reload times. Meaning that not only did the Bismarck detonate the Hood's ammunition, it detonated and set off *_all_* of the Hood's ammunition.
Edit: The damage that the torpedo bomber did wasn't much, that's true, but it did incapacitate the Bismark. The torpedo damaged the steering gear/rudder, so the German ship would only be able to move slowly in circles. Much like how the drive was taken offline with the Malevolence. One well placed torpedo by an old biplane led to the demise of one of the most feared battleships.
HMS King george V and her escort in all reality ended the bismark, they literally damaged the bismarck so badly they left and let the weaker ships finish her off
Now we all have images of Seperatists droids singing sabatons bismarck 😂😂
I think the name DREADNOUGHT indicates what ship was inspiration and dreadnough was indeed a king of the seas back in ww1.
Listening to the breakdown, it sounds more like the IJN Yamato than the Bismark (and of course the Yamato is famous for having it's own Wave Motion Gun too)
*Both Yamato and Bismarck were severely damaged by *torpedo bombers, effectively crippling them, however the Malevolence and the Bismarck were destroyed from the inside, the Malevolence by being steered into a moon, the Bismarck by being scuttled by its own crew. Yamato on the other hand succumbed to damage done by the torpedoes.
Funny enough, the Germans had planned to use the Bismarck in a similar fashion to how the CIS used the Malevolence, not for fighting Allied fleets, but commense raiding and ambushes. Sure, it COULD go toe to toe with the Allies, but the less they knew about it, the better.
Edit: Should have finished the video before commenting since you basically said this point.
I’m gonna like this because you guys did your homework on history.
Btw Couzin - Lucas era film-makers - their mentors were WW2 cinema pioneerz ...
But 1976 - west coast model shops had been purchase out of stock of all their ww2 plastic cast warshipz - pre-CGI art dept had to be inspired with what material you could get your handz on.
Tempus Fugit - And a long long time ago
When STAR WARS was just a summer moive - NOT A NEW GEN Z mythology !🇨🇦
I wonder if the Ruusan Reformation has an irl inspiration. I've always had a soft spot for political documents in fiction, such as the Writ of Union and Callisto Treaty from Halo, the Herald of the Change scene from Dune (2021), and Stannis Baratheon's declaration in A Clash of Kings (GOT Book 2). I find help give stories more credence and weight in how they portray political entities, making them feel as realistic and sensible as our do
ALAN HISTORICAL VIDEO LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO
This would be an amazing model for Armada
Aw, I was hoping for a reference to SBY (Space Battleship Yamato). Could you look into a video on it
14:15 So the hunt for the Bismark kinda looks like a Mandalorian helmet
Nice 40k reference there Allen
Since episodes 4-6 were inspired by ww2 era planes and battleships, and even tactics, I was kind of hoping that episodes 7-9 would be inspired by more modern technology analogues. It seems that idea went to episodes 1-3 where technology was slightly more advanced looking. With guided missiles and advanced energy weapons. Even battle droids with shields.
From the mist, a shape, a ship, is taking form
if Bismarck inspired the Malevolence....did the IJN Yamato which is the largest battleship with the largest guns and most thickest armor on any ship inspire the Executor? since Yamato and ISDs along with SSDs have very tall command towers or super structure
Keep up the good work btw
Love the video, tho I will say, at 11:43 you pronounced it Prince Eugene while since it’s German origin it’s pronounced Prinz Oigen
I love how people hype up Bismarck so much, and then the Imperial Japanese Navy was like "What is that? A heavy cruiser?" and built Yamato and Musashi
7:06 nelson, NC and SD with their 9x16 inch guns:
Small corrections: Bismarck's firepower (eight 15 inch guns) was actually quite mediocre for the time. The Queen Elizabeth class (built before WW1) had the same guns. Hood, despite being twenty years older, actually had comparable firepower, speed and protection to. Bismarck. If not for the freak miracle shot, Hood was actually a rough match for Bismarck.
Other contenporary battleships were either similar or more powerful. The British KGV, French Richelieu, Italian Littorio and American North Carolina were all comparable. The American South Dakota and Iowa, plus the Japanese Yamato, were all clearly superior.
Hehehehe history nerd and Star Wars nerd here I like the thumbnail
I already knew this before this video im just glad someone finally agreed with me
I'm genuinely surprised this video made it into my algorithm despite it mentioning the existence of evil mustache man. I can imagine you probably took some monetization hits on this one, but I appreciate you pushing back on youtube creator trends which have people going out of their way to self censor their references to these people and events
From the mist a shape a ship is taking form
And the silence of the sea is about to drift into a storm
Sign of power! Show of force!
Rise the anchor battleship's plotting it's course
What command ships did the GAR have that were bigger than the Venator? I didn’t think they had anything bigger until the final weeks/months of the war.
Bismark and Terpiz both armed with 15inch guns and 6inch secondary batteries and had a top speed of 30kts
Thank you so much for referencing the war reparations that caused WW II. Everyone I told about this said I was lying. History is truly written by the victors.
Minor correction: while I think the plan did include focusing the ion cannons, the Jedi in command of the operation wanted to hit the bridge and try to kill General Grievous outright.
I saw the thumbnail…
Pride of the nation the beast made of steel
*Bismarck* in motion
King of the ocean he was made to rule the waves across the seven seas
*epic guitar*
To lead the war machine
To rule the waves and lead the kriegsmarine
The terror of the seas
The *Bismarck* and the kriegsmarine
*epic speed and guitar with a trumpet*
To lead the war machine rule the waves and lead the KRIEGSMARINE!
*epic guitar and trumpet*
The terror of the seas *BISMARCK and the KRIEGSMARINE!*
*epic bass picking up*
To lead the war machine rule the waves and lead the *KRIEGSMARINE!*
The terror of the seas *BISMARCK AND THE KRIEGSMARINE!*
*epic finish*
Biggest irony of the death of the Bismarck was that the calculation computers (Generous to say computers, but still) for the anti-aircraft guns was too advanced for the archaic Swordfish. They flew slower than the firing solutions were calibrated to handle and direct line of sight for machine gun emplacement was ineffective due to the airframes of the swordfish being canvas and... Still wood if I'm not mistaken. Making machinegun fire very ineffective unless enough shots hit high load bearing spars, the pilot, engine, or put enough holes in the thing to make it's already slow speed down to stall levels from drag. Outdated machines sealed the fate of an advanced warship.
Iirc The reason France insisted on the harsh terms was Prussia imposed similar terms on them(adjusted for the scale of the war) after the Franco-Prussian war
but there was a treaty with the British navy allowing the German navy to be 30% of British navy so depending on what document you look at the Bismarck was legal
My new Nuruodo class Star Destroyer is kinda a Bismarck and the Enterprise combined. BattleCarriers. Thrawn will have a good ship.