The History of Dogs: evolution, archaeology, and mythology | Full lecture (University of Wyoming)
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- I gave this guest lecture back in November at the University of Wyoming.
A colleague was teaching a Hunter-Gatherers class and had me come give the talk. This is an expanded version of the lecture I used to film my video on Stefan Milo’s channel. I added a lot more into it while keeping most of the information from the previous version.
As I had just gotten over two weeks of cov*d, I was a little spacey and I made a few errors while talking (in addition to some technical difficulties). But I also just had a few things flat out wrong. So I added notes and corrections where I could.
I’ll link my sources down below.
Let me know what you all think of this. I can do more lectures if you like!
Shout out Angela Perri.
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CORRECTIONS:
1) that is a video of a leopard, not a cheetah (my point being, a big cat).
2) I said this in the lecture, but I want to reiterate the status of cats being domesticated or not is still very debated. I don’t mean to say they are not..
3) I said dogs are 17,000 years older than horses, I misspoke. it would be 15,000 years. I was thinking 3000 BC. Not 3000 years ago.
4) as I added on the chalkboard in the lecture, the presence of white sclera in animal eyes is not totally exclusive to dogs, but it is by far the most pronounced among non-primate animals.
5) the widely agreed-upon date for behavioral modernity is 50,000 years ago, but there are many who argue it could’ve been up to 100 to 200,000 years ago that people were just as intelligent. I stated 50,000 years because it is at LEAST that long ago.
6) lions steal just as many kills as hyenas, if not more. However, I was just demonstrating the fascinating concepts of kleptoparasitism, as it is usually associated with hyenas. It’s part of the symbiotic mutualism hypothesis for me, that humans may have been doing this to wolves.
I’ll add more as I find them.
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Chapters:
0:00 People of the past
1:24 Prologue
1:55 Seneca creation and dogs
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3:52 INTRODUCTION
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6:04 CANINE ECOLOGY AND EVOLUTION
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6:14 Wolf evolution
7:45 Taxonomy issues
8:30 Social behavior
10:00 Zoology/anatomy
13:11 For cat people...
15:52 Intensive breeding /modern breeds
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18:14 DOG DOMESTICATION
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19:22 Self Domestication hypothesis
20:40 Symbiotic Mutualism hypothesis
23:00 Charles Darwin tangent
25:00 Pinocchio hypothesis
25:45 Siberian fox experiment
27:41 How they were domesticated (synopsis)
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30:29 ETHNOCYNOLOGY
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31:46 Cave hyena tangent
33:08 Polynesia
34:43 Scientific evidence (Genetics and remains)
38:28 Linguistics
39:38 Cave art
41:01 Biological anthropology (oxytocin, disease, etc.)
42:37 Biotechnology (hunting, travois, packing)
44:25 Inuit/far northern dogs
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45:20 MYTHOLOGY
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45:25 Cherokee Milky Way
46:00 The Mayas
47:45 Romulus and Remus
48:50 Dogs and death
49:23 Cerberus
49:30 Anubis
51:15 Xolotl, Itquintlan, and the Aztec/ Mexicas
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54:48 CONCLUSION
56:49: Greco-Roman dog epitaphs
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You're a really good public speaker. I can't watch most lectures cause the presenter says "um" between every single sentence. This lecture was fascinating and educational, thanks for posting it.
That’s the beauty of editing your own stuff 😅 you can cut out most of the ums
And thank you
@@davidianhowe Thank you for cutting out the ums. It really makes a difference to how watchable the video is. I know it's an extra step and I wanted you to know it matters and I don't take it for granted. I presume I'm not alone in that, most people don't comment so I don't know how many my one comment represents statistically.
Every comment helps, and I appreciate you!
Doggone it!
Can we take a moment to appreciate the ability we have to listen to lectures online where 30 years ago you had to be a student of zoology or anthropology to be able to enjoy this? God i love the future
Absolutely! These days given the quality of educational content creators you could get yourself a virtual undergrad degree in history, paleontology, mathematics, psychology, you name it! What I particularly appreciate is the creators who take time to challenge common misinformation, and try to just ensure that everybody is better connected to fact as far as we know it?
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 completely agree. Although I am a bit of an optimist. Hoping if you have good source material you can develop a Good skeptic mind. Most misinformation is surface level in my experience. If you truly research and delve deeper most fantastical things fall through the wayside. Like a smart kid learning that Santa isn't real once they learn about the speed of travel. It is hard too to teach that nature is magical enough. It is hard to remove the desire that aliens or Gods built things even when the rope marks are on the boulder.
Speaking of God , Animals ( Land , Sea & Air ) were Created way before Man....
@@1badjane493 oh you forgot the fire nation. It was also created before man.
Yea, few years ago, most lectures uploaded were terrible in quality and presentation. This guy is a really good teacher. Wish he was one of my stem professors lol bet he could teach better even without specializing in it
"I wanna be your best friend all your life. Sadly, I don't have that much time. Thus, I'll be your best friend all MY life."
- every dog ever.
How lovely, 💖.
I always wondered if David Bowie made the "Diamond Dogs" album because he wanted to be *everybody's* best friend...
That is so beautiful. Did YOU make it up? Either way, it brought tears to my eyes and I am copying it so I won't forget .
@@axiomist4488 I? I didn't make it up. Dogs inspired it :- ) My nitpicky jokes aside, thanks. And no, it is not my gem of wisdom. I saw it somewhere AGES ago. Sadly, I cannot give you the source.
Let's just agree that dogs are the source.
I'm not crying you're crying 😭💕
I’m 50 and got my first dog two years ago and it’s been amazing. Nothing could prepare me for the bond we have. I used to laugh at people like me. I love my dog.
I had my first in my 40’s and I totally get what you mean!
Dogs die. They deserve is tho.
wat
@@Throplife
Wow it’s so sad that modern people are raised without these experiences everyone used to have. I was raised with dogs and cats and ALL of my extended family in all the generations, including GREAT grandparents I was lucky enough to know, all had dogs and/or cats. I don’t trust people who don’t have pets.
@@OakwiseBecomingI can see that, but please understand that some people would like to have pets but can't afford an extra moth to feed.
I have a rescued pit bull who is definitely my best friend. I don't know who said it first, but I've always loved this quote:
"I strive to be the person my dog thinks I am."
Taking care of a thing that might kill you if you happen to fall down, and you have no problem unleashing it on children. HUMAN TRASH.
"If there are no dogs in heaven, when I die I want to go where they went." - Will Rogers
The more I know of people the more I love my dog. Mark Twain
Odysseus came home after 10 years. The text said he disguised himself as a frail old man, so he could catch all the "suitors" persuing Penelope off guard.
His dog Argos was the only one who recognised him and blew his cover😂🦮
Dogo is a friend for life
I’ll be adding this the next time for sure!
That's FUNNY! 🤣👍
I honestly think of that whenever I see those videos of soldiers coming home to their dogs. Who says love is conditional? Get a dog and love it, you'll have all the love you need
I imagine Odysseus smelled like himself; dogs have an epic sense of smell, so of course he recognized his master!
My girlfriend named her dog after me and let me take his place as her guardian.
Excellent lecture.
Had a blonde lab growing up named Monkey. he was 2 years older than me. Even as a toddler i felt like he was on a higher cognitive level than me. I could tell he wanted nothing more than to protect me. That dog let me ride on his back like a horse like it was his life purpose.
I found a video of us playing with a balloon when i was around 1. He made sure to pick it up by the tied end so it didn’t pop….. i’m an only child but i can confidently say that dog felt like my brother. I don’t feel like i lost a pet, i feel like i lost my sibling.
i know the feeling, had a german shepherd that was my age when it was given to me at 2. my dad trained it to be kinda mean to anyone who didn't smell like family. people could turn up that the dog had never met and it would pretty much ignore them because they were cousins. if you weren't related you getting bit.
Dogs can only ever do one thing wrong..... they don't live long enough. 🤔😑🇦🇺👌
He said, "no matter what corner of earth you travel to" then proceeded to show an image of a earth ball spinning. Idk that a sphere had corners in it
There was an extremely tall (probably about six foot tall) boy in my neighborhood growing up who was physically aggressive to me. One day he walked up to me while I was walking my little mutt who was between the size of a chihuahua and a chow and pushed me. My dog brought him down to the ground and stood on his chest growling until I called him away. I miss you Dino 😭
Dogs as biotechnology is one ot the most fascinating concepts I've heard in a while.
Right?
I'm 75 years old and I call myself a history buff but this is the first time a lecture it brought tears to my eyes thank you
I bet you’ve been loved by dogs your entire life and rightfully so
Same. We are so blessed to have the gift of dogs. Thank you for this amazing lecture
@@connieyoung7554 They are an absolute gift. I’ve got 8 of them sleeping around me right now
Cheers to 75. Hope you’re in good health and have many more John.
@@adamakaru2611
Because he hasn't got TDS.
Hi I’m a dog and I’ve enjoyed your lecture a lot. Very interesting.
That's so interesting that someone finally said what you just did. I find it fascinating to be born in the Year of the dog (DOG IS GOD SPELLED BACKWARDS) . IS SUCH A FASCINATING SUBJECT IN CHINESE ASTROLOGY.
Dog 🐶 corresponds 2 Libra.
As dragon corresponds to Aries ♈. The dog is the polarity to dragon. Imagine that the dog is the corresponding sign to the celestial dragon 🐉. The motto of the dog is loyalty.
And the Mott of the dragon is I reign. Has any has anybody heard of cynocephali the race of the dog people. If you remember and eat if you don't you will after this Saint Christopher is depicted many times as a dog-headed man. Something to be gained from investigating
In the Chinese astrology they warned against the dragon pairing off with a dog. I disagree I think in the old paradigm they were up against cognitive dissonance.
This is the new era a new beginning.🐉🐶🐉🐶🐉🐶🐉🐶
@@arnoldvialpando6754Dog year corresponds to libra zodiac? I was born year of the dog and am a very late libra 😂😂 DOUBLE DOG
@@YungPrince2k16 you got that dawg in you
Hi, I'm a bitch and same.
on the internet no one knows you're a dog... unless you tell them up front
One aspect that I might have missed discussed but I would like to highlight is the dog’s incredible sense of smell and hearing, they are the perfect complement to humans upright posture and eye sight when hunting, the perfect hunting pair (especially when the humans got smart and covered themselves in animal skins)
Fantastic lecture - truly great. I (frankly inadvertently) adopted a Carolina Dog at the beginning of Covid. Though I have owned many dogs, never have I had the experience of domesticating a dog trapped in the wild. For three years he did not sit, but rather stood, paced, ran, or lay down to sleep. He would not drink still water. He climbed trees, took down fawns, and played very, very roughly. Now, three years on, he is a charming companion - but to this day I am glad I did not know what a long road domestication was going to be.
The Roman epitaphs for their dogs has me weeping softly. They were very good dogs.
What probably happened was back in the day a wolf pack saw prehistoric humans hunting & thought “ How embarrassing! They are so inept. They’ll never survive without us.” And they adopted us. I get that feeling everytime I take my dog for a walk. “ You poor thing. You can’t even make it around the neighborhood without me. You even have to put a lead on me you need me so much!” Dogs are great. Informative & enjoyable show. Thank you.
“What probably happened” *proceeds with some on the spot bullshit*
Yes, about the time they get us trained, they go and die on us. I miss my dogs terribly. They help us through the hard times, and when they go, it's even harder to bear the loss.
I rarely ever left my babydog alone, because he cried so much if I did. Now he's gone, and I am the one crying.
@@kellycarver2500Sorry for your loss. I still miss my boys who I lost recently but I rescued another beautiful doggo. I'll have to go through the heartbreak all over again eventually but he's already had an extra month to live so that's good enough for me. They're wonderful creatures and having lost my 2 sweet boys, I think I treasure this one even more ❤
I think your idea is closer to the story of how cats domesticated themselves, because we first invented agriculture and grain storage attracted rodents, then cats came hunting those rodents, and over millennia they got accustomed to us enough that they will still bring us mice and birds they catch, either to show off or because they think we need their help catching prey
The epitaphs at the end were heartbreaking. This gave me more insight and kinship with Romans of the past than I’ve ever felt before. Thank-you!
I feel like I've found a kindred spirit! I am obsessed with the evolution of dogs. I am particularly blown away by their understanding of minute social cues that has evolved over time - eye contact, pointing, facial recognition, and permanence. Deeply fascinating. Dogs have been by our side while we discover what it means to be human, perhaps even contributing to that understanding. It's the most deeply interesting bond in all of history and I love that you share that passion!
there is a lot of information on how we affected the genome of wolves to turn them into dogs over generations but what i rarely hear is how living with dogs/wolves for over 20000 years has affected our genome as a species. i suspect that there is an unnoticed influence there but it would be difficult to prove.
@@nicolasinvernizzi6140 It would be understandable to think that communications both verbal and non-verbal would have diversified. The first communicative cues would have also had to have evolved. So think your whole history has been a communication of Human:Human. Now there's a Human:Wolf/Dog. Your communication pathways would certainly grow over generations as well, and from infancy, as well! Yeah... Dogs are certainly our brothers.
I was a K9 handler, all of my dogs communicated with me verbally and non verbally.
They relied on me I relied on them.
I had the sense that they loved me or bonded with me.
All in all the best friends I've ever had were my K9s
They do try to talk, don't they? Some are better at it than others. If they try hard enough, they can almost make it sound like words, and short sentences.
Are you a U-man B-ing?!
I feel as though my huskies can speak a few words of English.
Try putting your wife in the trunk of a car for an hour
dogs don't have vocal cords, they don't speak.
The bond between dogs and people is truly one of evolution's greatest hits. Domesticating dogs is one of the best things we've done as a species, and it fascinates me how well suited both species are to one another. It's especially incredible the ways they changed physically to adapt to US. Developing muscles for facial expressions that wild canines don't have, their capacity for understanding language without speaking it, their intelligence and the way weve learned to communicate with them despite the barrier of speechlessness? Dogs are one of the most amazing things we've encountered and I wonder why more people don't want to know the full story like this. It's really insane how long they've been with us and how long we've relied on one another regardless of being so wildly unrelated on the tree of life.
Well said! My dog understands ,” Do you wanna go out?” , “time for breakfast” and some others. I try to always use the same intonation. He will also just stare at me when he want to go out.
Dogs have no doubt in turn influenced humans as well.
I love your lore around the dog. Your passion is apparent. Watching you get blown away over the dog like it’s the first time every time is so good.
It is amazing. He did a phenomenal job explaining it
Thank-you for the insightful story. My dog came from the Canadian Arctic: Baffin Island. She was a reject sled dog in a remote Inuit community only reachable by sea or air. My wife rescued this dog with the help of her employer as a clinical social worker with the Canadian government. This dog came to live with us in Winnipeg, where at first, she stayed outside, in a fenced city yard, as we thought she would prefer, in winter, however after awhile she let us know that her preference was to be inside at night with our little family of four. contrary to your depiction of dog/wolves tearing a household apart, this dog never chewed up or destroyed a thing over her 14 year lifespan! And it was not that this dog did not look exactly like a WOLF! Often little children would run up to us on a walk in the city, and say: "is this a wolf" as she let them give her a hug, and say her ears are so soft. I took the dog to a Canadian sled/ski-joring outfit to get what I hoped to be training for ski-joring as I was a life long skier: but to my surprise, the process of the training took about 30 minutes, as the trainer just gave me the command words, and said; "this dog doesn't need training, she knows what to do" the trainer was right. So began our decade and a half life together that is likely the most meaningful and intimate relationship in my life.
Just don't let the wife read this 😅 that last sentence is very accurate.
At the very end, exactly as I knew I would, i was crying uncontrollably at the heartfelt epitaphs for the Romans' best friends.
I'm pretty sure you mean "for" there...? 😏 (Even Roman dogs couldn't carve stone!) But that 💯 doesn't invalidate your warm sentiment there!
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 Yes, I meant "for". I'm baffled as to how that error was made! I'm going to fix it now....
@@deewesthill1213 Ah, the joys of typing on a small hyperactive smartphone screen & battling auto"correct" all the way! 🙈 I'm getting kinda paranoid about checking my texts & posts now tbh just cos of the bizarre stuff it sometimes inserts after you move on to the next word...? 😅
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 I too try hard to make sure my texts are correct and still errors go undetected! 😆
I also was crying like a baby.
We all know that friendship is magic. To my mind, it follows quite naturally that love is magic too. And the defining characteristic of all the dogs I've known is unconditional love. ❤
Yup
Presenter is very good and to a dog lover such as myself this is a joy to listen to. Dogs are certainly the most wonderful creatures on the face of the earth and I like knowing that I am not alone in that belief.
I became a dog lover when my wife was pregnant with twins and I was traveling for work. I got her a small long haired dachshund mix from a SPCA. She fattened him up with buttered toast and French Fries. Vito was still the smartest dog any of us have ever known. He hunted house flies for sport.
My little dorkie catches flies. It's amazing.
@@CAM-fq8lv isn't that great? Vito would wait in the corner and jump straight up and catch the fly in his mouth and eat them.
I think we associated dogs with death because of our fear... We used dogs to warn us from lions , and other larger predators in ancient times. They meaning dogs helped us face our fear of the unknown, the fear of what's in the dark outside of our homes and what faces us in the unknown of death.
I agree. And in facing that greatest fear ever, fear of death, you need someone by your side that you can 100% count on to be there for you and have your back. Not all people can be counted on in all situations. Dogs will leap into the jaws of a saber toothed tiger to save their human. They will surely be there to help and guide us through the underworld.
I like that
I happened to save a wolf dog via a Facebook post that was out of state. My sons were on a tour so I road along to pick her up. She's wolf and blond lab, I don't see any blond lab in her. She looks 100% wolf, and acts like no other dog I've been privileged to have in my family. She talks about 4 different ways, the others try to imitate her and can't do them. Alert like no other, but also loving as heck.
Long story short, I was always a "cat person" one year our young son wanted a dog, which we got. (Beagle / Basset mix) Her and I bonded more than I could state. She and I were as close as any two people could ever be. She passed after 10 years and I morn her to this day, as I would and do humans I have lost. As well I do not desire to find another dog she could never be replaced, I am and shall remain loyal to her love.
I was a cat person; I thought dogs were noisy, smelly, and needy, and I couldn't imagine picking up a poop. Eventually, my wife convinced me to get a dog and we ended up getting a Shiba Inu that completely changed my perspective on dogs. This dog is quiet, mostly self-cleaning, and prefers to keep to itself a lot of the time, but has more personality and "human" qualities than a cat. I would never want a cat again. They're fine, but this dog made me realize the cat-human relationship is just not quite at the same level. I will always have a Shiba or similar breed for me going forward
It would not be disloyal to love another dog. You will never forget your first, nor will you ever stop loving her. But she would want you to be happy and love again. I lost Charlie, it'll be 2 years ago in two days and I haven't stopped loving him, nor a day goes by that I don't think of him, but right after he left I had several experiences (dreams, a visit and many hints, in which I kept seeing dogs that looked just like him). These I saw as messages from him telling me to go ahead and love another dog, go ahead and be happy. I still haven't done it, but I feel I'm getting closer to it, because I need to. I want to give love to another dog, who needs a home and love, just like my Charlie did. There are many dogs in shelters, who have no one they can love forever and would love to have you in their life . And your dog who is gone, I'm sure you'll be together again some day . Sounds silly, but it's not .
@@gdtyra i have allergies. Is that breed better for shedding?
@@Tribuneoftheplebs No, she sheds heavily twice a year... 😞
You were not a true cat person in the first place. If you want your quiet, you cannot associate with hyperactive smelly and noisy artificial animals.
Great lecture. Thank you, from the UK.
My hunch is that it wasn't adult dogs that were first domesticated, but puppies.
Dogs' acute sense of smell and hearing are like an early warning system to a tribe, not just of marauding carnivores, but of the most dangerous animals of all --- other humans.
Uuuuh that would be called taming. Domesticating is something else.
Uuuuh that would be called being rude. Politely commenting is something else.
@@VanderJamOh yes the ,that is rude because i am to tender for thiss world thing..... What many folks considder "polite" actually is rude.
great, i really wanted to cry about a dog that died 13000 years ago today. thanks. but seriously, this is an awesome lecture.
This is the highest value of TH-cam for me…
David Howe and his social media content/work is a gem 💎
High praise, thanks!
I agree that this is the highest value of TH-cam.
Agreed! David, I hope you do more stuff on TH-cam. (I need more of this awesomeness for my long commutes to work!)
I stumbled on David on another channel and was totally blown away. I had to watch more. An absolute gem of a presenter and just genuinely hilarious.
"dOgS" are the darkest chapter in human history. I just cannot fathom anyone saddling themselves down with one of these vermin sacks of shit! dogs are dangerous, scroungy, destructive, hideous, vile, miserable, disgusting, demented, sleazy, cowardly, soulless, treasonous, useless, filthy, disease, bacteria, grease, parasite, and stench ridden bags of crap! The world would be a much better place without dogs! My motto is "For each dog, one bullet." There's nothing in the world lower than a fkg dog!!
OMG. The intro talking about stereotyping early humanity at the start made laugh at loud. Thank you for doing that
Great summation of canine evolution over the last 20,000yrs!
Too bad he got it all wrong 😂
This is the sort of stuff that makes me want to pivot from social psych to anthropology for my masters. Was great seeing the full lecture after seeing clips on other media.
Thanks so much!
I was studying psychology and also at a certain point became more interested in anthropology. I got my BA degree in social science: psychology/ sociology/ anthropology. I took all the classes that were offered in psychology and anthropology.
Thank you. This lecture is not only incredibly informational but a joy to listen to. I look forward to listening to the rest of your lectures.
*informative
The ayahuasca dog thing reminded me of something I've heard older people say in my culture: if you want to make a dog more friendly towards you, you should feed it something that has your spit in/on it. Your spit is the magic ingredient, but personally, I think feeding any dog regularly will make it warm up to you.
GREAT presentation! I currently have a (rescued) Chihuahua named Lala. I'm closer to her than I am to most people. When you read the epitaph to the dog that said "no longer will you give me a thousand kisses, or sit contentedly on my lap", it made me tear up. Dogs really are the best thing humans ever did.
More than anything else in this video, the brief point about cats completely destroying Australia's ecosystem (13:53) is super appreciated! It's out of control but rarely gets mentioned so cheers 😁
If there were that many cats in Australia, the country wouldn't be periodically plagued by seas of mice and rats.
@@lesliefish4753 cats kill for sport, even when they are not hungry they will chase down a passing lizard !!!
Australia has many small species with no mammalian predator before cats were introduced. They kill over a billion native animals a year. There's a saying 'if you love animals, go home and kill your cat'.
One of many animal introductions to Australia, including Europeans that have hurt the ecosystem.
@@Danielle-zq7kbcats have done worse than anything else. they are responsible for the extinction of over a hundred australian animals. cats are not domesticated, once they go feral in that environment their physinometry changes within a few generations and they are nothing like domestic cats. australia is full of endangered flightless birds and everyday people have to put in tonnes of effort to kill these cats to save them. humans are not even close to comparable to cats when it comes to the environment of australia, they have decimated it. i have seen this all first hand my entire life. over two thirds of australian mammals are extinct because of cats. and that’s not even mentioning birds, or flightless ones
found a snippet of this video on instagram last night that made my heart melt. i fell in love with the Aztec mythology. so this morning i decided to find this video on youtube and watched it while getting ready for work. what a great lecture. thank you so much and thank you for making me cry at work lol
I am 67 years old and have had dogs my whole life. I actually can not remember a time that I did not have or want a dog. They are so amazing and loving. I think every thing I ever learned that was worth knowing I learned from a dog.
I can say that my relationship with Dogs, particularly the many Irish Wolfhounds we've had, has taught me more about Love and Grief, than nearly all my other life experiences. I don't grieve much over the people I've loved as I'm sure I'll see them again. However, I do wonder and worry about my dearest and closest friends who went before me, those with the big black noses and their gift of unconditional love.
For some of us, it won't be the happiest Heaven possible unless we have our favorite dogs.
We're all mamals ,we are all off to the same place ,but those with free will ,will have a narrower door,let alone type of doors.
I can only hope to be reunited with my loyal labs some day!!!! I was blessed with some of the best dogs of the breed!!!!
How can you believe your god loves you if you think he'd choose to ignore your love for your dogs? How could heaven be heaven without dogs? Why would dogs be banned? What a horrible thing to have to worry about.
@@ericscaillet2232 What does the fact that we are mammals have to do with anything? Corvids and parrots are way smarter than a heap of mammals. Mammals are warm blooded and give birth to live babies. That's all being a mammal is.
53:03 made me tear up and made me think of a lyric from a song about a dog: "I have no choice, you see, for I am he, and he is me, and I would follow him into the dark with all my heart."
R.I.P. Rocket, 2004-2016. Not just man's best friend, but mine. I would follow you into the dark with all my heart. I still miss you and i hope you're waiting for me somewhere.
Loved the lecture. My dog is a double of your dog. We rescued each other, and I hope we have 10 more years together. I truly believe we bonded to dogs when we were first becoming humans.
Animals such as dogs, horses and cats come into our lives from an other level of existence because they feel pity for us and decide to help. This is what I learned about animal communication from the Canadian blackfoot shaman Pablo. Hi from Germany and thank you for the great video which will be shared.
I work as an animal communicator. This entire lecture, though fascinating, is so loaded with human supremacist ideology. Seems very biased.
Ahhh yes i agree. It's so heart warming to see their great intelligence and empathy flowing out to us between sessions of raping the couch and eating their own feces. Truly magical..... LOL
To communicate with only hand signals for hours while hunting with my labs gave me the most fulfilling feeling of accomplishment in my life!!!!!! Not any job I've had came close!!! I miss them all greatly!!!!
Thank you so much David! My first 'nanny' was a border collie/lab cross. He watched over my many hikes in the country for miles when I was less than 4 years old. BTW that was in bear country. When I got tired from walking I would climb on his back and he would carry me home. My constant companion gave me a love of dogs over 60 years ago that has never diminished. Amazingly to me I have learned a few points on the origin of dog lineage, again, thank you!
I have an American dingo (she looks exactly like your image of Neolithic dogs), and she is the most primitive dog I’ve ever encountered. She is built to survive and really difficult to train, and she will alert us to an animal half a mile away. My other dog is a black mouth cur, and she is very in tune with humans, doesn’t react to gunfire, and lives to hunt small game. It is absolutely amazing how dogs have evolved with humans, and we have bred them for specific purposes.
Ive had dogs my whole life. All but one were rescues. My home would feel empty without them. Even in a household of 3 it would feel empty. They fill your home with life and love. We take them everywhere we go from shopping to vacations to camping whatever. They are as integral to our lives as any family member. I couldn’t picture or want a life without them. Thank you for such a wonderful presentation.❤
Wow, I wish I had lecturers like you at university when I went. I learned so much. Dogs are the best people.
All of my beloved corgis through the years have given me a much happier life. Bossy and charming, they have trained me well.
To me, dogs are the best things in life. Great presentation.
So I have always had a deep fascination with archeology and anthropology. I'm really glad I found this channel because it touches on something that I particularly have been searching for which is the history of dogs and how they evolved alongside humans. What I didn't expect was to be crying like a baby at the grave epitaphs and now I'm hugging my two precious dogs. Do you think that cultures far into the future will see the episode of Futurama, Jurassic Park, and talk about how much we loved our dogs the same way that they love their dogs?
Ooof the futurama episode cuts deep
Fantastic lecture. Coming from a family of spaniel lovers, I've unfortunately had to bury more than a few. We usually send them on with a few their favorite things.
I breaks my heart every single time.
Due to travelling for work I haven't had a dog in thirty years but on the day before Christmas my wife returned from Kenya after three months and put a transport box at my feet.
I cried like a little bitch and to be honest I'm already dreading the day I know will come.
How is this related to the video?
@@rogerivy2919
Who cares? Spaniel's are the
BEST dogs in the world!
I could say the same about labs!!!! Ive always had a way with them, and never had a bad one---- I had a crazy one--- Bootsy Nuts, but, with extensive personal training, she turned into a pretty decent pheasant hunter---
This is the absolute best thing I've seen in months! And I watch A LOT of TH-cam. Mostly history stuff. But this was just fantastic!
Thank you
I read someplace
An ancient name for dog...
Spot. Cerberus
Dog in English...no histoy?
K-9. So cool.
Dog star....
Orion the hunter...with a companion..a dog.
Dogs and cats..um
Dogs and bears..um
Dogs and hyenas
Good content has been SO hard to find on TH-cam the last few years!
One of the more complete lectures I've come across on dogs and humans.
I've had dogs my entire life, I doubt there will be a stretch of time when I won't have a dog. I enjoyed the historical contexts presented.
This video helped me explain some concepts to my fiancee who's never had a dog before, though she has always wanted one and couldn't understand why.
Usualy I use podcast and lectures to get to sleep; but not your lecture., I was awake all through it. .your brilliant lecture was a gem . I live in Rome.
Dogs are magic. I cared for a friend's dog and he kind of became my dog. The way he learned different behaviors from me by just watching me. He was magic.
Thank you so much. I've had and buried a few dogs over the years and am forever bonded. Thank you for this presentation.....
I bred 9 of the most beautiful Saint Bernards last spring. I felt like I did something great for the world and definitely for Saints. Fantastic lecture. Subscribed 👍
Thank you!
OMG-- Those big beasts are as sweet as honey!!! But 9 slobbering St Bernards!!! When my buddies "Saint" left the water bowl, he left a trail of water on the floor that would solve some state's drought conditions!!!!!!
This is an excellent talk. Thank you. It's amazing the way dogs change, even in the "standardized" breeds. Take the American Cocker Spaniel. Originally the smaller pups of a litter were Cockers, the bigger Springer. Then, around 1940, Red Brucie and his son My Own Red Brucie set the American Cocker breeding standard. It was a dog that wouldn't score well in today's shows but set the standard (as well as being EXTREMELY expensive). Then came the American and English (Euro) branches. Then colors branched into their own breeding lines. Come the release of Lady and the Tramp and ACS pups were bred for oversized eyes (and worse health) along with heavier (wooley) coats. By the 80's these lines were less popular and disappeared in the 90s. The replacement was the "toy" Cocker (not official), about 16 lbs instead of 28, but in show a smaller dog (around 20 lbs with a small head and small muzzle) with "Cousin It" fur became popular. The eyes are smaller and much healthier overall. It's a good line but would never be recognized as a Cocker in former decades... nor taken out on a hunting holiday except as a companion.
This is a very interesting piece. I have read that when horses appeared in America, Native Americans referred to them as Seven Dogs, because of their relative strength .
I live in south-central British Columbia, in a relatively rural area. It’s rare but I have seen wolves roaming on the mountain side behind my house and heard them howling, unseen, above us in the hills. It’s a bit chilling in the moment but I have never felt threatened by them. Great presentation!
Great lecture, thank you for putting this on TH-cam for free, this video is priceless. Also, the epitaph for Patricus is one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard, definitely got me choked up.
I have two very energetic dogs, a blue heeler/kelpie and a deer-head chihuahua who I now understand slightly better thanks to your videos. I found your channel after watching the one you did with Stefan Milo and I absolutely *loved* that episode, so logically I am here now. Thanks for putting the love you have for these amazing creatures at the forefront of your presentations.. it really shows, and your awe and fascination for the story of our relationship with dogs translates into something really interesting and engaging to watch/listen to. Thanks.
I enjoyed this very much. I have a deep love and appreciation for working and hunting dogs. Nobody appreciates their dogs more than a duck hunter on a cold December morning.
I am extremely appreciative of the inclusion of editing in this video. I have a hard time paying attention to youtube videos that are just "talking" and every cut and addition was very enjoyable.
Thank you, it took a while.
Really agree! It shows a great understanding of pedagogical strategy & the limitations on audience attention and imagination, particularly with an extra-long-form video. Very aware both the editing & the sourcing of supplementary material adds a lot of extra time and effort, appreciate that 🥰
This is a great compacted history of dogs.
I spent almost 50 years with dogs so far and I still picked up some new information.
Definitely sharing.
Thank you
Great lecture, thank you for posting this. I was a anthropology major for three semesters but I realized by the third that Indiana Jones was not a realistic goal. :) I love my dogs, I swear my dog Emily, who has since passed away, she was my spirit animal send to me in physical form because I would have been too dense to have heard her otherwise. Dogs have made me a better human being.
Oh gracious! This was so awesome!! Raised a dog person, who is now a cat person who knows enough to say: if time and tides allow me to save proper space for a dog- I’m open, however my current cats are older and conditioned to be wary for lack of early introduction, so until my girls pass over (which like my last cats and dogs will break me for a time) the time for another dog is not quite yet. ☺️ Thank you for this, I’m diggin’ your brain and appreciate you sharing your lesson here. Keep it up- I am Subscribed for sure! Thanks again! 🥰🤘❤️
I've been quite satisfied with my academic choices and professional life. Nevertheless, had ethnocynology been available as a discipline when I was choosing what to pursue, and later to teach, without any doubt whatsoever, I would have chosen it. This splendid lecture reinforces that personal truth.
This is so well done. I loved the visuals that went along with the lecture, made feel like a documentary of sorts.
Remarkable! I just stumbled across this lecture. I'm sketching some fiction of a people who emulate wolves and see them as their spiritual kin, and I'm this talk nudged me toward doing more research to increase the believability of the story element. Thinking about dogs being bio-tech fits into the people in that story becoming technologically advanced, as well.
I've always had a thing for wolves. As well as old, working dog breeds. There's something noble and primal about these animals.
I don't even know why I am watching this.... but I love this lectures .... Sir,
you are so goodddd....
Such a wonderful presentation! The story of dogs is compelling because it's our story.
Really well done. And, thank you for addressing the "controversy" surrounding the ancestor of the domestic dog. It seems that when they were determined to be descended from a wolf not currently in existence, I sense that some people took that to mean it was a different species all together. Merely a somewhat different "model" of the Gray Wolf, perhaps.
You're correct modern dogs are not descended from the gray wolf. They have found a subspecies of wolf this DNA came from India. There was no difference between its DNA than there is between a chihuahua or any other type of dog.
I'm not even a dog person, but this lecture is one of the best lectures I have ever seen.
I love this I'm a psychology student n I love to think as far back in history at humans (I include all hominid) to think that we believe we are superior when old humans risked such a predictor to help get by and from wolf becoming dog we went so we can change animals to suit us
Brought tears to my eyes several times.
Classics major here. My specialty was papyrology and also studied a bit of epigraphy. Those ancient dog epitaphs are both fascinating and incredibly moving. What a beautiful thing that their masters memorialized their existence and what they meant to them so that it would not be forgotten. Brings a tear to my eye that thousands of years later we instantly relate and in this way that master and that dog come back to life as it were. They existed, they were here and they meant something. They were forgotten and lost to time, but by finding the memorial and its inscription they live again.
Hey Mr Howe. My dog mum was a JUG. Apparently my dog Dad was a Pom. My human mum thinks there’s definitely Chihuahua ancestry inside me too…but my mum loves me whatever, even though I am yappy at times. She calls me ‘her little wolf’ since watching your lecture.
Thank you David for an amazing canine education, love from Mollie’s human mummy, Kerry in 🇬🇧 ❤
Overwhelmed by strong emotion evoked by this talk ! Dogs are not just animals . They speak . They grieve. They smile and laugh and play. Never shame a dog. Never break its heart. Never betray it.
My last dog died two years ago. I felt I betrayed it as I held and told it that all would be well. I will never have a dog again because of that. I do miss them.
Thank you! Having worked in academia, it is nice to hear you mesh your research with your theses AND your doubts, questions, and hopes. Curiosity and discovery are more important than absolute certainty. We all need to remember this! You have very fortunate students- they will be less likely to be egotistical and more likely to collaborate. BRAVO
It definitely takes skill to balance all of that, I think? To both ensure that your students understand the wider structure of the topic & what has been supported by evidence, whilst also fostering a useful questioning of what is 'understood' and curiosity to always think outside the box. Getting to a good collaborative scientific thinker rather than jusr a conspiracy theorist takes some skill!! 😏
My Bekka was the best dog in the world.❤ The Roman epitaphs made me cry. Shipman is right: humans' adaption of using other animals is our special trait, but the dog leads them all.Noel Coward said it best. While scooping up a friend's cat, he said he loved animals so that he burst into tears at the sight of a water buffalo. 😂
Dogs have been beloved or reviled throughout the ages. Refreshing to see and hear an archeological perspective. Gotta love dogs!
A long time ago I read about a theory about dogs and humans and it rings true to me. It goes something like this - having the dog or wolf around the campsite to do our smelling/ hearing/guarding for us evolved our noses/faces/skulls/larynxes - which possibly enabled speech. Humans and dogs go way back. We are symbiotic
Too far-fetched. Don’t underestimate our true abilities.
I am of Gaelic ancestry, and from what I understand, the word Collie means "useful" in that ancient language. I believe wolves and humans came together because each found the other useful in some way or another. I honestly cannot imagine a world where we don't have our useful little companions.
Every etymological dictionary I just looked up said the most probable root was from coal or coaly in reference to the colour, in the same way that some black and white sheep are colley. One suggested an alternative from a word for pup. None of them said anything about useful. The Wikipedia page you probably got that from needs to have "citation needed" added to that claim and maybe even have the claim deleted.
You're wrong. The word comes from Scots (Scottish English) a totally different language to Gaelic, lol.
@@kincaidwolf5184 ok then, thanks for the correction... and thanks for not being a snippy prick about it?? oh wait, you were, NM.
@@tymcfadden8496 Sorry if you was offended
@@kincaidwolf5184 And it is a borderline collie. The border between Scotts and Gælics. You need an Iron Curtain, if you all are picking each other that hard. Jesus, keep it friendly.
Fascinating lecture! I used the Goyet skull to reasonably offer 43,000 BCE as the first instance of domestication for my novel FIRE WOLF. I have a human (Neanderthal--the story is set in Central Europe) outcast from a clan befriended by a male/female couple of 'bone wolves' (scavenger wolves). She's on good enough terms with the two that they allow her (after a good deal of snarling) into the cave where the female has just given birth to pups. The wolves follow her when she is formally taken out of the clan (I won't say exiled since it's a lot more complicated than that in the novel), and voila: the first domesticated wolves. The protagonist, Lishi, has visions that include wolves, and these visions become central to the plot of SCIMITAR, the second novel in the series. We were certainly two-legged wolves with spears long before we allowed wolves to sit with us at the clan fire. In FIRE WOLF I portray hunters discussing wolf tactics for certain types of prey. It seems to me not at all unlikely that millennia before we considered sharing the hearth with wolves we were venerating wolves as totems, and this, along with a very detailed understanding of wolf culture, would have eased the transition to domestication. I deal with this issue in FIRE WOLF as well. Thanks for the video! PM 2023
Brilliant lecture, as an academic myself, and a dog breeder, many of the Hypothesis make perfect sense.... Very talented and well researched Author.
Dear David Ian Howe-So much to unpack here-Wow. Unbelievable lecture. Thanks for the footnotes as well. My last dog died 01/27/2011. I haven't been able to get another one since. We shared the same brain. It was deep. This meant so much to me. I respect and appreciate you so much. What breed is your dog. Your very lucky. Your the reason why students learn/people learn-Thank you-Drew
I have been a dog lover all my life and have assumed that there was a special and unique inter species that exists between us. Your lecture has answered so many questions that I have asked over the years and I look forward to seeing any more of your postings. Many thanks.
Half dog, half human? 🤔 A werewolf, maybe?
I love this subject and the way you portray the information, I sat for the whole hour and watched without getting distracted despite seeing some info from your other videos. That’s a big deal for me, usually I struggle to watch one thing for so long.
The dog epitaphs will always get to me 😭
Wow, thank you!
Brilliant lecture David. I am a retired Paramedic but have always kept dogs, particularl;y Sighthounds from straight Greyhounds and deerhounds to what I believe is the epitome of the man/dog partnership in hunting, i.e. the Collie/Greyhound cross which originated (as we like to arrogantly think) here in Britain.
Before it became politically incorrect here in the UK and when I was much younger than I am today, I Hunted Rabbits and Hares (for the pot!) with My lurchers. I had a red merle Lurcher that had Blue eyes (known as 'Wall eyes!...explantion given for that name if requested) She was half border collie, half Greyhound!
The border collie can be classed as the MENSA representitive of the canine clan and the greyhound (along with his fellow cousin sighthounds, the saluki, Sloughi, scottish deerhound afghan etc are undoubtedly the atheletes of the canine world.
The Lurcher is a rather loose term for a hunting dog but the common denominator was that it was, is always based on a sight hound, mainly the Greyhound but salukis, and even whippets were used. The Classic Lurcher of yesterday, also had the blood of a pastoral beed mainly the Border collie but Bearded collies, and Old english type sheepdogs may well hjave been used.
Anyway I digress, as you can probably tell I am indeed a dog lover with sighthounds, lurchers being my favourite breed having said that now I am retired and have mobility issues I now have a Jack russel terrier as my canine companion.
If ever 2 types of Dogs could be further apart then terriers and sighthounds then please tell me!
Once again Thank you for a brilliant well researched lecture that certainly opened my eyes to the origin of mans best friend!
PS, yes please include any other lectures on ANY topic that you may give.
This presentation is WONDERFUL. Thanks very much for putting all these facts together; I knew a lot of it and have heard most of the knowledge before, but some of the details are just awesome. And I agree that the Paleo dog burial drawing is poetic and powerful and we should treat our animal neighbors better.
I want to add that Desmond Morris, who wrote the best-selling book "The Naked Ape" exploring Human behavior by viewing their behavior in zoological terms, also wrote books about Dogs and Cats(Dogwatching and Catwatching, in 1986), in which he did the same thing for their behavior. What I found fascinating was his explanation for cats leaving dead mice or birds for us; he says that cats consider humans to be their room-mates, who just happen to be the WORST hunters ever, and so they try to help us out, "Here's a little something to give you the right idea of how you should act." Which sounds very weird, but also seems to fit other cat behavior.
About heyena's: Kevin Richardson shows that human raised heyena's can behave like a group of friendly dogs. And grown up lions treat him, like he were their mother. Glad seeing him again. Huge lions! The bond can be very strong. Even with such dangerous animals. Still, he often explains, anybody else entering the enclosures would be killed, and he needs to be careful.
So brilliant and timely for us; we lost our boy just weeks ago and the dog epitaphs, well, too close to home. I am glad that the love , cultivation and education of dogs is a part of what makes us human and is recognised as such now.
The poems at the end brought me to tears. Beautiful
Thank you for doing such a great job editing this video! So many good lecture videos unnecessarily included a long rambling irrelevant introduction. Thank you for editing the “not lecture” parts out of the lecture video!
Plus the helpful and entertaining graphics and video clips! Excellent.
Ah those roman epitaphs, I love them! Romans had a few dog breeds for specific purposes, there are some primary sources that go through that.
Rottweil, the town Rottweilers originated from, was first founded as Arae Flaviae by Roman soldiers apparently late in the 1st century BCE. I've read that Roman armies took their dogs with them throughout their activities in Europe to do a variety of tasks such as hunting, herding, and pulling small loads. I wonder if Rottweilers and other breeds are descended from Roman dogs.
@@deewesthill1213 The Pugnax is the og of the Cane corso
My dogs have quite literally have saved my life a number of times..this is great vid..I have always wanted to document my dogs verbal and nonverbal communication with me and themselves.. there's more going on than we realize with them than just basic needs
What a great lecture! Thank you fellow dog lover.
We humans have always burdened other animals with our emotions, behaviors and obsessions. And have come up with some quite silly reasons why we aren’t like them, all eventually disproved. I don’t remember the name of the person who dredged up Aristotle’s theory it was laughter, but I had a very smart Long Haired Shepherd who would hide just before school buses arrived, jump out and bark at the kids, then walk away shaking with laughter and making huff-huff-huff sounds. He was a once in a lifetime dog and I’ve specified his ashes be buried at me feet when that time comes. The Roman inscriptions were so touching. As someone who has spent her long life trying to understand human behavior and a lover of dogs, proper or otherwise, this is a wonderful lecture and a joy to watch.
Incredible. It's all about the oxytocin, bro. Our happy corgi, Josie is still releasing it more than a year after she took her journey to the underverse. Great video. ♥️