Nice job professor. You do a great job explaining the in’s and out’s. It’s nice to be able to refer friends or others getting into hammock camping to your videos. Cheers!
Excellent video! Probably the best I seen for sure. I completely relate to the Dutch bling...I'm a stinger and tarp worm guy myself. Thanks for sharing!
Nice vid brother! Hookworms, wasps, and the mitten hook door tie outs are must haves for me. They just make the overall setup so much easier and versatile. The panel pulls are also really helpful for additional setup options. Good stuff Frozen!
I've been waiting for this one because my tarp is my next purchase. I already decided on a Warbonnet Superfly a long time ago but was undecided and/or confused on the silpoly/silnylon issue. Based on you comments, I think I'm going silpoly. Thanks for the tutorial. I look forward to them.
Great Video nice breakdown of the pro and cons to the different options. I love a continuous ridge line and have been using a wasp and hook worms for awhile I don't see me switching form them love the ease of setup and the quick adjust ability.
@@FrozensAdventures I got the chance to watch the video perfect for beginner just so they can figure out what type of tarp they need ridgeline's if they need it tie outs for the tarp and how to do them just to make things a little easier for them to understand the difference between tarps and what they can and cannot do
I have a silpoly Warbonnet thunderbird tart and the end points are key ring type things so I threaded on Dutch fleaz and for the cord I attach to that, I have Dutch hooks on it and i wrap those around the trees. On the tarp, I have cord locks on the four corners and the cords have loops around the ends and I just attach those to the stakes. It’s really fasts and easy. Also easy to adjust and get centered on the hammock.
I love this Beginners Hammock Camping series, I should put it on "speed watch". You have been instrumental in my purchasing a hammock setup in fact I am going to hang my tarp today which I purchased from Hemlock Mountain Outdoors a cottage company for NE PA. I went with a 12 X 9 Sil-Poly and can be configured with doors. I purchased a Continuous Ridgeline with a Wasp and Dutch Hook along with a Continuous Tarp Sleeve from DutchWare. I plan to order the DutchWare Hook Worms to compliment my set up. I have slept in my hammock 3 times and I am slowly coming up the learning curve. Next step is to review Part 6 again for an Underquilt. Thanks Again hope all is well with you guys.
My cuben fiber tarp setup is very similar... when its really windy though, I have found that the shock cord is not enough to keep the tarp from blowing into the hammock so I have often had to bypass the shockcord coming off the hammock and attach my lines directly to the tarp and that really keeps it taunt in high winds. Nicely done Jason.
Not a fan over of over the ridgeline. Never had a problem with under. I understand the stretch benefits but with some tarps like DCF I can see abrasion of the DCF tape occur.
Thank you for such an informative video. I am hiking the AT in the upcoming year. I have previously used An ENO System, and I am ready to get a little more sophisticated. I’ve narrowed my hammock choices down to the Warbonnet Blackbird, Darien, or one of the Dutchware hammocks. As for tarps, I’m still sifting through information. I’d like a lot of coverage, an of course I’d like it to be lightweight. I’ve ruled out Dynema due to the cost. I’d love your opinion if you have the time. I enjoy your channel , And I really hope I see you out on the trail next year!
Silnylon tarps will compress smaller than a cuben tarp of similar size. Prussik knots can slip over night resulting in a loose hanging tarp. I recommend using NAMA Claws as they do not slip.
Those nama claws are cool. I'll have to check them out. When I start seeing problems with my prussik lines I simply re-tie them and the issues usually go away. If the lines are starting to get frayed I replace them.
Would love to see a video walk through of the hammock setup/gear your planning to use on your thru-hike. Im registered to start my AT thru-hike March 2nd and trying to decide on my setup, been leaning tent but REALLY want to go hammock.
I'll be starting my AT specific videos covering everything starting December. I need to finish up a few things on the beginner hammock series and get some other videos ideas out. Then the fun will begin :)
Awesome! Looking forward to it! I live about 45 minutes from Hot Springs, NC and about 30 from Viking Mtn, so familiar with alot of the trail through there but no overnight trips yet in this area so still torn on gear. If you hit Hot Springs before March 2nd, hit me up and I'll treat ya to a meal at the best restaurant in the area and some trail magic.
Great info, thank you again. About the 9:50 mark you show the overhead loop on the corner of your tarp for the tarp guy line to the stake. I think that loop is called a "Lark's Head", I use that one quite a bit. I was interested in your use of the marlin spike to your tarp stake, I tend to use a taut line hitch there so I can adjust the tension. I'm guessing that the tarp hook you show later in the video allows you to do that. I use the nite-ize figure nine hardware for my tarp rope. I am intriguiged by the weight savings of the cuben fiber but it seems like it is so much more noisy than the sil-nilon, especially in any kind of wind. Is it? Any other beginning hammockers reading this, I second the door option for your tarp, it really is worth having. If you are hiking in an area that has a lot of humidity (I do most of my hiking on the AT so, yeah), the doors do a great job of keeping the fog off your setup, especially that thick soupy fog that tends to roll in over night.
Yes the cuben is louder than a silnylon/poly tarp but you eventually get used to it. In wind my tarp usually is too tight to move around it's usually in rain where it's loud.
There's a button not on one end and a split on the other size. So the button knot goes through the splice. Sorry I bought my Ridgeline like that from Jeff Myers and not sure what the official name is.
What are your thoughts on the Nite Ize hardware? I’ve been using their Figure 9s in various sizes for a number of years and they work pretty well. I’m a big fan of Dutchware, (my hammock, straps, and cinch buckles are all Dutch), and if I ever lose/break my “9s”, I’ll invest in some of the Flies or Worms, but the Nite Ize stuff is really easy to come by at most outdoor retailers.
Great job on the content with your videos !!! Quick question, wanting to upgrade my tarp and I am torn between HG Quest/Journey, can't afford the CF. Not sure if I would camp in winter months, but possibly rain, can't predict that....wondering if I should get the doors or not?? I will get the 12' for the extra coverage. Wondering your opinion.. Thanks in advanced.
I'm a firm believer in doors but I've been in situations where I needed them. There might be a night that you do everything you can to set up correctly. So the wind doesn't get to you and in the middle of the night the wind switches and blows directly into your tarp, the temps drop and you are cold all night because when the wind blows, it will rob all the warmth out of your underquilt. Those are the nights that I wanted a tarp with doors. EDIT: This topic has come up quite a bit on the channel. I'll make a video about it
@@FrozensAdventures Thanks for the reply, I do have a few other questions and hate to ask them here, but don't know any other way. I am fairly new to backpacking and have made some VERY expensive mistakes. I started out with buying everything I own from Retail stores like REI. Started out with a tent, sleep pad, sleeping bag, UNTIL I fell in love with hammocking. I already feel like I have made some of the same mistakes with my hammock choices, but it is too late to turn back now, I guess I will use what I have at the moment, BUT with the tarp I am able to make one more purchase and want to make a smart one. I am leaning towards a HG tarp, and can only afford the Silpoly right now. In your opinion, is the Journey a good choice. Will I be able to do door mods and such with it and etc. If not, what is a good vendor for the tarp I may need. Thanks again for ALL the videos you post, I have learned sooo much from your videos. Keep up the GREAT work.
I believe the main concern is the tarp rubbing up against the line and creating wear points since the wind and rain will push the material down on the line.
Great video...I have a 11 foot Dutch Chameleon and a 12 ft journey tarp from hammock gear...I chose the continuous ridgeline...I have tried my tarp over ridge line and under....I prefer over ridgeline easier set up I feel ...You mentioned in the video that u prefer under ridgeline why? Did u see wear in ur tarp overtime if it was over? I have been using my tarp since June...Pulling the trigger on my cuben fiber 12 footer this winter...do u see any issues with over the ridgeline on the Cuban fiber?
Outdoor Adventures just checking did not know if u saw wear from this...did not want to destroy my new tarp thanks...is there a reason u prefer this? Mine is set up.
Outdoor Adventures Thank you i was wondering that myself. I will hook my tarp up under the ridge line and see if see a difference in wear. I have 13 months before my AT attempt so I have time to play with this. Thanks again
Hey Jason, great video but I have one question. When using the Dutch hook worms what length shock cord do you recommend for the tie outs on the corners of your tarp?
The lightest hammock set up is always going to be heavier than the lightest tent set up. I find I get better sleep in a hammock which has more benefits with sleep (for me) than a tent.
I've used a generic blue tarp, maybe 10x10, as my hammock shelter for some time. This tarp is cheap but loud and heavy. Is getting one of these rain fly type tarps worth the investment?
Is that reflective cord for your hook worms if so what kind so I can order some? I am now using zing it. Also use the wasp and nama claws instead of presick loops for my tarp.
@@FrozensAdventures Not good for guy lines with hook worms like you had? You would be adjusting through the worm so I guess it frays? Thanks for the info. Bruce from the city of Orange in Orange county Calif.
Until the cuben fiber comes down in price I refuse to purchase that particular type of tarp. The money vs the activity not worth the price. Canvas is cool and offers even better wind break....
Even as an advanced hanger, I still find this interesting! Thanks for the video!
That marlin spike hitch for the tarp stakes is a great idea!! Definitely will be using that one in the future
Definitely saves a lot of time and/or hardware
Nice job professor. You do a great job explaining the in’s and out’s. It’s nice to be able to refer friends or others getting into hammock camping to your videos. Cheers!
Thanks man!
Great job on this one, especially describing the different material. Such a great resource for beginners! Kudos again!
wow! one of the BEST tarp hammocking videos I have watched! Thanks
Excellent series for newbies like me! Thanks and keep them coming!
Excellent video! Probably the best I seen for sure. I completely relate to the Dutch bling...I'm a stinger and tarp worm guy myself. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks man!
This info was super helpful as I am in the market for a tarp and I'm a beginner so thank you.
Nice vid brother! Hookworms, wasps, and the mitten hook door tie outs are must haves for me. They just make the overall setup so much easier and versatile. The panel pulls are also really helpful for additional setup options.
Good stuff Frozen!
I've been waiting for this one because my tarp is my next purchase. I already decided on a Warbonnet Superfly a long time ago but was undecided and/or confused on the silpoly/silnylon issue. Based on you comments, I think I'm going silpoly. Thanks for the tutorial. I look forward to them.
Super helpful info on the ridgeline. Thanks!
Great Video nice breakdown of the pro and cons to the different options. I love a continuous ridge line and have been using a wasp and hook worms for awhile I don't see me switching form them love the ease of setup and the quick adjust ability.
Right now I am at work so I am unable to watch the video but I gave you a thumbs up for always having such good content
Thanks CG. You work too much dude!
@@FrozensAdventures
I got the chance to watch the video perfect for beginner just so they can figure out what type of tarp they need ridgeline's if they need it tie outs for the tarp and how to do them just to make things a little easier for them to understand the difference between tarps and what they can and cannot do
Awesome series man. You've been doing a great job.
Thank you!
Great video man. Have an amazing weekend, Andreas 🇸🇪
Great video Frozen. I like to use the Taut Line Hitch on my guy lines. That makes them easy to adjust as needed.
Great job on this series Frozen. Yeah my 12' HG CF is my favorite piece of gear. Oh and my most expensive.
I still want a cuben fiber tarp. Great job with the strength test! In the past cuben fiber was know for being easy to tear, but that wasn't true.
I have a silpoly Warbonnet thunderbird tart and the end points are key ring type things so I threaded on Dutch fleaz and for the cord I attach to that, I have Dutch hooks on it and i wrap those around the trees. On the tarp, I have cord locks on the four corners and the cords have loops around the ends and I just attach those to the stakes. It’s really fasts and easy. Also easy to adjust and get centered on the hammock.
I love this Beginners Hammock Camping series, I should put it on "speed watch". You have been instrumental in my purchasing a hammock setup in fact I am going to hang my tarp today which I purchased from Hemlock Mountain Outdoors a cottage company for NE PA. I went with a 12 X 9 Sil-Poly and can be configured with doors. I purchased a Continuous Ridgeline with a Wasp and Dutch Hook along with a Continuous Tarp Sleeve from DutchWare. I plan to order the DutchWare Hook Worms to compliment my set up. I have slept in my hammock 3 times and I am slowly coming up the learning curve. Next step is to review Part 6 again for an Underquilt. Thanks Again hope all is well with you guys.
We are very well. thanks!!!
My cuben fiber tarp setup is very similar... when its really windy though, I have found that the shock cord is not enough to keep the tarp from blowing into the hammock so I have often had to bypass the shockcord coming off the hammock and attach my lines directly to the tarp and that really keeps it taunt in high winds. Nicely done Jason.
Excellent educational video!
I took a tent cover and its worked perfectly on a section hike on a t lol and it rained and kept me dry ... Great info man .. Thank u.
The continuous ridgeline is even BETTER if you drape the tarp over the rope. This takes all the stress out of the tarp fabric.
Not a fan over of over the ridgeline. Never had a problem with under. I understand the stretch benefits but with some tarps like DCF I can see abrasion of the DCF tape occur.
oh, a hammock video. thanks
Thank you for such an informative video. I am hiking the AT in the upcoming year. I have previously used An ENO System, and I am ready to get a little more sophisticated. I’ve narrowed my hammock choices down to the Warbonnet Blackbird, Darien, or one of the Dutchware hammocks. As for tarps, I’m still sifting through information. I’d like a lot of coverage, an of course I’d like it to be lightweight. I’ve ruled out Dynema due to the cost. I’d love your opinion if you have the time. I enjoy your channel , And I really hope I see you out on the trail next year!
Hammock gear journey!
Silnylon tarps will compress smaller than a cuben tarp of similar size. Prussik knots can slip over night resulting in a loose hanging tarp. I recommend using NAMA Claws as they do not slip.
Those nama claws are cool. I'll have to check them out. When I start seeing problems with my prussik lines I simply re-tie them and the issues usually go away. If the lines are starting to get frayed I replace them.
Good job 👍
Awesome videos, thanks! +1
Glad you like them!
5:30 I wonder what had the first puncture, your hand or the Cuben Fibre :-P
Good vid btw!
Great series! What are you using for the prusik loop, regular paracord? Thanks
Would love to see a video walk through of the hammock setup/gear your planning to use on your thru-hike. Im registered to start my AT thru-hike March 2nd and trying to decide on my setup, been leaning tent but REALLY want to go hammock.
I'll be starting my AT specific videos covering everything starting December. I need to finish up a few things on the beginner hammock series and get some other videos ideas out. Then the fun will begin :)
Awesome! Looking forward to it! I live about 45 minutes from Hot Springs, NC and about 30 from Viking Mtn, so familiar with alot of the trail through there but no overnight trips yet in this area so still torn on gear. If you hit Hot Springs before March 2nd, hit me up and I'll treat ya to a meal at the best restaurant in the area and some trail magic.
what about a Blue Construction tarp?
Great info, thank you again. About the 9:50 mark you show the overhead loop on the corner of your tarp for the tarp guy line to the stake. I think that loop is called a "Lark's Head", I use that one quite a bit. I was interested in your use of the marlin spike to your tarp stake, I tend to use a taut line hitch there so I can adjust the tension. I'm guessing that the tarp hook you show later in the video allows you to do that. I use the nite-ize figure nine hardware for my tarp rope. I am intriguiged by the weight savings of the cuben fiber but it seems like it is so much more noisy than the sil-nilon, especially in any kind of wind. Is it? Any other beginning hammockers reading this, I second the door option for your tarp, it really is worth having. If you are hiking in an area that has a lot of humidity (I do most of my hiking on the AT so, yeah), the doors do a great job of keeping the fog off your setup, especially that thick soupy fog that tends to roll in over night.
Yes the cuben is louder than a silnylon/poly tarp but you eventually get used to it. In wind my tarp usually is too tight to move around it's usually in rain where it's loud.
I love the sound of the rain on a tarp!
What knot do you use to connect the D ring of the tarp to the prusik knot on the continuous ridgeline?
There's a button not on one end and a split on the other size. So the button knot goes through the splice. Sorry I bought my Ridgeline like that from Jeff Myers and not sure what the official name is.
Hey Frozen, do you still recommend shock cord off D rings of a Dyneema tarp or should Line Lock 3 be sewn directly to corner black straps?
Glad a plane didn't fly over when you were puncturing the DCF
Haha
what cord do you use for your prusik knots
Zingit 1.75mm
You didn’t mention anything about the tarp continuous ridgeline going above or inside the tarp. That’s what l needed to hear.
Doesn't matter either way. My opinions on it are leave it above the tarp because it creates less strain on the seam holding the tarp together.
I'm new so I don't know, but why not throw the tarp over the Ridgeline like hanging cloths?
Hey welcome. You can do that but on humid days that can develop condensation . You want a little gap for best results.
What are your thoughts on the Nite Ize hardware? I’ve been using their Figure 9s in various sizes for a number of years and they work pretty well. I’m a big fan of Dutchware, (my hammock, straps, and cinch buckles are all Dutch), and if I ever lose/break my “9s”, I’ll invest in some of the Flies or Worms, but the Nite Ize stuff is really easy to come by at most outdoor retailers.
I think I used to use those before I found dutchware. Switched because I'm a sucker for trying new things.
Great job on the content with your videos !!! Quick question, wanting to upgrade my tarp and I am torn between HG Quest/Journey, can't afford the CF. Not sure if I would camp in winter months, but possibly rain, can't predict that....wondering if I should get the doors or not?? I will get the 12' for the extra coverage. Wondering your opinion.. Thanks in advanced.
I'm a firm believer in doors but I've been in situations where I needed them. There might be a night that you do everything you can to set up correctly. So the wind doesn't get to you and in the middle of the night the wind switches and blows directly into your tarp, the temps drop and you are cold all night because when the wind blows, it will rob all the warmth out of your underquilt. Those are the nights that I wanted a tarp with doors.
EDIT: This topic has come up quite a bit on the channel. I'll make a video about it
@@FrozensAdventures Thanks for the reply, I do have a few other questions and hate to ask them here, but don't know any other way. I am fairly new to backpacking and have made some VERY expensive mistakes. I started out with buying everything I own from Retail stores like REI. Started out with a tent, sleep pad, sleeping bag, UNTIL I fell in love with hammocking. I already feel like I have made some of the same mistakes with my hammock choices, but it is too late to turn back now, I guess I will use what I have at the moment, BUT with the tarp I am able to make one more purchase and want to make a smart one. I am leaning towards a HG tarp, and can only afford the Silpoly right now. In your opinion, is the Journey a good choice. Will I be able to do door mods and such with it and etc. If not, what is a good vendor for the tarp I may need. Thanks again for ALL the videos you post, I have learned sooo much from your videos. Keep up the GREAT work.
Great video. Which silnylon tarp are you using in the beginning of this video?
Warbonnet edge tarp
11:28 you mention the downsides of running the ridgeline under the tarp.... did you explain why somewhere? I missed maybe?
I believe the main concern is the tarp rubbing up against the line and creating wear points since the wind and rain will push the material down on the line.
Great video...I have a 11 foot Dutch Chameleon and a 12 ft journey tarp from hammock gear...I chose the continuous ridgeline...I have tried my tarp over ridge line and under....I prefer over ridgeline easier set up I feel ...You mentioned in the video that u prefer under ridgeline why? Did u see wear in ur tarp overtime if it was over? I have been using my tarp since June...Pulling the trigger on my cuben fiber 12 footer this winter...do u see any issues with over the ridgeline on the Cuban fiber?
I said in the video that I prefer over meaning the tarp rides under the RL
Outdoor Adventures just checking did not know if u saw wear from this...did not want to destroy my new tarp thanks...is there a reason u prefer this? Mine is set up.
I feel like a ridgeline under the tarp would cause too much abrasion on DCF over time.
Outdoor Adventures Thank you i was wondering that myself. I will hook my tarp up under the ridge line and see if see a difference in wear. I have 13 months before my AT attempt so I have time to play with this. Thanks again
Hey Jason, great video but I have one question. When using the Dutch hook worms what length shock cord do you recommend for the tie outs on the corners of your tarp?
8 inches untied or so. The hookworms actually come with shock cord too.
Outdoor Adventures ok cool. Thanks
What are your thoughts on the Hammock Gear dyneema tarp in camo as opposed to the green? Thinking of getting the camo but can't decide.
Weighs just a tad more but so beautiful!
Have you gotten your hammock setup lighter than your tent setup? I can only get my hammock setup to within 12oz of my tent setup
The lightest hammock set up is always going to be heavier than the lightest tent set up. I find I get better sleep in a hammock which has more benefits with sleep (for me) than a tent.
I've used a generic blue tarp, maybe 10x10, as my hammock shelter for some time. This tarp is cheap but loud and heavy. Is getting one of these rain fly type tarps worth the investment?
Mines on 3 years and a thru hike and it's still useable. So I'd recommend it. Big investment but will last a long time.
@@FrozensAdventures ok cool, good deal! Thanks 👌
I heard some people use it like a tent on the ground, did you have try it ?
I haven't yet. But maybe at some point I will try the whole tarp set up out for ground sleeping.
Dutchware gear is worth it's quadruple weight in gold. You’re right, once you swap over to the continuous ridge line, you never go back.
I checked out Dutchware site, too pricey for my taste, more alike crooks to me. Overkill price tags. lol
Is that reflective cord for your hook worms if so what kind so I can order some? I am now using zing it. Also use the wasp and nama claws instead of presick loops for my tarp.
Bruce Ferguson this might work for you!
lawsonequipment.com/Reflective-Glowire-p1024.html
It's called reflect - it and dutchware sells it. I do not recommend it for any type of ridgeline with hardware because it frays very easily.
@@FrozensAdventures Not good for guy lines with hook worms like you had? You would be adjusting through the worm so I guess it frays? Thanks for the info. Bruce from the city of Orange in Orange county Calif.
@@fergusrb guy lines work well with reflect it. Been using it for about a year with no wear.
@@FrozensAdventures ok, thanks. Bruce from the City of Orange in Orange county Calif.
Until the cuben fiber comes down in price I refuse to purchase that particular type of tarp. The money vs the activity not worth the price. Canvas is cool and offers even better wind break....