Thanks brother. I have a lot more eye openers I know most aren't ready yet by that I mean that they haven't seen enough proof. This group of collectors are very hard to convince of anything except the main flow of knowledge that is actually a lot of guesswork and based on limited knowledge. Here is another lie being told that they were more like farmers lol.. And hunter gatherers Oh boy. lol It WAS MORE LIKE THEY WERE THE HUNTED. You can see it in the weapons they devized some of these I haven't even brought forth yet like what they did with the Clubs they had to hit with... Tells a big story there. See you don't find these intact they are there but rotted away leaving behind the chips and flake blades that were >>>imbedded in the club
A lot of the archaic sites i discover, are full of large blades, chopping tools, exhausted points with the occasional 1st stage point or blade, and a variety of hammerstones. My area has very little chert but an abundance of high quality quartz. I've replicated quartz points and tools using only quartzite rocks and deer antlers. That is one tough rock to work. It makes me truly appreciate the craftsmanship when i stumble upon an archaic site. It aslo amazes me of how many sites are still laying right on top of the ground to this day. I believe off the evidence i see, the tool kit involved a couple sized hammerstones. One side usually ground smooth (not sure if for ergonomic or what other funtional purpose). I also find 10 or so broken wuartz blades. They usually very thick in size and the edges are wavy instead of linear. I'll also see broken or exhausted projectile points with the occasional broken knife blade. The knife blades are generally thinner and more commonly mistaken for a projectile point, like my hunting buddy always does. I've discovered campsites, and kill sites. Archaic campsites are mostly on a ridge or gap, with a spring close by. I usually find broken points and a few complete smokers. Campsites are where i also find the hammerstones. The kill sites are closer to the creek. I'd imagine its where the animal finally died, plus it would be easier to wash up as well. Kill sites are where I'll see large chopping stones, big knife blades, debitage, and small flake tools. Finding points is cool, but i find much joy in discovering an entire site and piecing it all together. I've tried replicating it over the last 3 years. I've sat in the woods by the campfire making stone points for both the atlatl and arrowhead, while the wild clay pot cooked in the firepit. I've lived where they lived, and experienced the weather through all the seasons. I understand why they chose this ridge and not that ridge. A lot of it has to do with the wind and sun. They didnt necessarily live right next to water. You wake up damp and cold. Everything is wet every morning. They slept high away from the bugs as well. Life was tough back then. As time goes on we found ways to make easier and more simple. I wonder if the same could be said then, why the technology changed and the points became simple and mass produced?
I like that brother what you shared. It is good to see someone else with their eyes open and the mind running and absorbing all to get the bigger picture. I like the one that they lived in the shelter lol. I know different. They lived on top of the shelters where the heat rises, sure they would go in them during storms but they spent most time above the shelter. for a number of reasons. Like I said things weren't all happy go lucky and farmed the land lol like the experts say. They were being hunted by other inhabitents and people in other tribes. That is the info that is being hidden. It is very evident things were not good always hiding away in a corner of the wild. It's like they were always packed and ready to move in an instants notice. Also another reason they lived on top was to be able to see their enemys comming.. I also can elaborate on this but choose to not be so open discussing this topic as others will argue that point from lack of absorbing what they see in a site..Sure later years when the bigger dangers were gone or dwindled down they farmed but not during the early years that came way later. Thanks for watching brother.👍👍💤
I’m new to this but I found a hammer stone almost identical to the first stone you showed. Same color same notches on the sides. Thank you for sharing this
Without a doubt, the tips and techniques of rock work evolved according to the hunting artifact that the natives used over time. Spear, Atlatl, bow. BLESSINGS TO MY GREAT FRIEND.
People live too fast that's likely why they don't comprehend developing the tools as they utilized them. It's a process few today would have the patience for. Their survival isn't in question and they can afford to be less attentive to daily utility and craftsmanship. You're absolutely right people became sloppy.
Very interesting take on the Archaic preform and whether it's a finished knife or something to become......most likely both. You did your best to explain how the technology was lost in later cultures like Hopewell and Adena. That's like saying the first automobile, made in 1898, was better than my 2020 Ford Explorer. Can you elaborate on that a bit more. Thanks again. James
Thanks brother. Like I said in the video all you have to do is look at the product compair both ages hands down newer points were more sloppy made most were just triangular with no notches. here is where it gets interesting and unknown here is the monkey wrench in loss of knowledge. WHERE? The small bird points in the Archaic era what were they made for? The experts say there were NO bows back then, Atlatl,, only 2 have ever been found intact to my knowledge and I have researched this. So actually little is known about the Atlatl. Or anything associated with it. A lot of guesswork there again . guesses. See even the tech on the Atlatl was lost. The reason I brought up small points is the shaft size of the spear it would be too big for the small points. With that tossed in there, Did they have smaller version of the Atlatl for these small points? or are we being fed another lie about there being no bows back then. Bows were wood wood rots then it's gone. only way it is preserved is in a shelter or cave. Or charred by fire.
@@zzzzzzzzzzaper I hear you brother ...but....maybe the simplicity of the design in later artifacts is due to it's thousands of years of refinement??!! I have many Hopewell and Adena knives and points that are amazingly flaked and balanced and not to mention the beautiful materials they used. I appreciate your view and love all the time periods but it is is a bit like comparing apples to oranges for me.......peace and love.
Glad to see this one brother Z. Love the Hammer stone. And I agree 100 about "Utilization" and have always disagreed with the "Preform" thing. And yes trying to argue with people who believe the Natives didn't use almost all the flakes being struck is impossible. Nice to listen to ya chat brother Z. I think you know I've been waiting for this one. Many blessings my friend.
Thanks brother. I am limited to what I can say That video took all friggin day to upload lol. I tried to get in a lot of info in a short amount of time so I was pretty blunt. What I didn't talk about is a real issue even now. All I am saying here is when you are in the woods or wild, country, field, creek best have some kind of a probe like a sword as a back up along with a weapon of choice. You never know who is watching you. Thanks for watching brother. 👍👍💤 I don't know what is up right now but yesterday I seen 4 sherrifs out and about like they are looking for somebody and right now there is a plane divebombing every 3 min.....real weird.
@@zzzzzzzzzzaper The "Vultures" are always watchin brother. I think you know by now that I don't get out much anymore Z but when I had my good days I was always packing. Not because of varmits. 2 legged animals are the biggest problem. Stay safe brother Z
You’re doing way better than me brother. And I believe you are correct, I have many big blades that fit perfectly in the hand that some would call a preform but there is no way, it’s a tool, there was no need to haft everything.👍🇺🇸
Thank you brother. Exactly they didn't notch cobbs blades or stanfield type. And like I was saying they traveled light had a small bag of goodies to make points and shafts. I will tell you a lil secret where you see yucca plants start looking close there is your string material they grew them at mainly all campsites somewhere close good locator to help you find. Thanks for watching.
Nice finds mr ZZZ do you know anything about prayer stones i have one i found a long time ago i was going to send a picture but it didn't go through thanks for sharing
Thanks brother. I believe those came latter on when the Spainish Tried to colonize. A lot happened then that is hidden. Not much is said except for the Aztects. Whole lots more happened too They had armies over here they fought adverse opponets too.....It was not a happy go lucky world for any one. Thanks for watching. 👍👍💤
I agree with everything you're saying I'm from Central Missouri and I find same kind of stuff its beautiful stuff. May be sort of primitive looking and not perfect like most people like but those kinds of artifacts are my favorite
I do nap arrowheads but only traditional way with stone and antler and I always keep that stuff totally separate from my collection of real arrowhead/blades/artifacts and I agree fooling someone is why there's fake stuff in circulation right now
Thanks brother. I just got back from the site got a couple big trees down in it from the storm last night. I did manage to pick up 1/2 of a adz nice one too I may have the rest of it. Thanks for watching.👍👍💤
@@BryanKoenig379 Exactly. I have actually 3 hooks as soon as you show somebody they freak and tell you they are fake... I found them 1 in Texas Other 2 here in Mo. real deals.
Thanks brother It IS being hard on me lol. I'm thinking diggin today here in a min been out with the legend today no coins I found a penny with the ORX And a dime with the deus 2 lite no find for the nokta☹ And I gave it more time. again lol REAL COMPAIRASON. 3 RD time I have done this same results. I'm going diggin. Thanks for watchin brother. 👍👍💤
Its not that they lost knowlege of creating points....they swapped atlatl for bow and arrow...arrowhead became smaller and smaller until europeans showed up with metal....
Thanks brother. If you looked closely there are ittybitty points right there. They look a whole lot nicer than woodland pieces...... Also did they have small launchers and spears?? Kinda makes you wonder huh? As for the Bow let's get the truth out there for a change, The information on the time the bow origin is based on the earliest FIND. Ok with that said how long does it take wood to rot away to nothing? it varies. The bow they found was pure luck. just like the atlatl they found not many.........The facts are flawed because of this the find was the earliest that's all NO one knows for sure when the bow came all speculation. The mass production from large cities is where tech was lost.
How can we know for sure? I have many rocks like this and I don't know whether there is any way to prove it natural or worked. there are too many forces, pressures, events, circumstances, over too many millions of years, that bear upon what a rock looks like - I say this only re: groundstone.
Thanks brother. That rock was definately altered by man It even was heat treated that's why it is red.lol It has pecking al over it And it is polished. That's how you tell plus You have to know what YOU are looking at. Thanks for watching.
Experience teaches beyond books and bull. I smack any rock I can attempt. I learn from making and using tools. You my friend understand. Skip the nonsense and snap away
It's called material utilization. I'm sure they used all their materials to their maximum extent. Just like my parents who went through the depression and hard times. My mom and Dad utilized everything they could. The tribe or clan was a community and in my opinion they had to use everything to maximize the chances of survival. Thank you for showing your finds. You have a beautiful assortment of tools. I like that hammer stone a d said so when you found it. That big point or blade that's broken with the red stripe is awesome to bad its broke. God Bless and looking forward to seeing more of your videos and finds.
Thanks brother. Exactly. There is still more to it yet. lol Yes the red stripe was a real bummer a table rock cross breed right there lol. Thanks for watching.👍👍💤
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Very informative and knowledgeable Nice finds enjoyed watching thanks for sharing and good luck on your next outdoor adventure
Thanks brother. I am sure you have been seeing the same at your sites Piecing it together is the hard part too. Thanks for watching. 👍👍💤
Great information! Thanks for sharing 😊
Thanks brother. I have a lot more eye openers I know most aren't ready yet by that I mean that they haven't seen enough proof. This group of collectors are very hard to convince of anything except the main flow of knowledge that is actually a lot of guesswork and based on limited knowledge. Here is another lie being told that they were more like farmers lol.. And hunter gatherers Oh boy. lol It WAS MORE LIKE THEY WERE THE HUNTED. You can see it in the weapons they devized some of these I haven't even brought forth yet like what they did with the Clubs they had to hit with... Tells a big story there. See you don't find these intact they are there but rotted away leaving behind the chips and flake blades that were >>>imbedded in the club
You are the man...I love tool types.
Thanks brother. Thank you for watching.
A lot of the archaic sites i discover, are full of large blades, chopping tools, exhausted points with the occasional 1st stage point or blade, and a variety of hammerstones. My area has very little chert but an abundance of high quality quartz. I've replicated quartz points and tools using only quartzite rocks and deer antlers. That is one tough rock to work. It makes me truly appreciate the craftsmanship when i stumble upon an archaic site. It aslo amazes me of how many sites are still laying right on top of the ground to this day. I believe off the evidence i see, the tool kit involved a couple sized hammerstones. One side usually ground smooth (not sure if for ergonomic or what other funtional purpose). I also find 10 or so broken wuartz blades. They usually very thick in size and the edges are wavy instead of linear. I'll also see broken or exhausted projectile points with the occasional broken knife blade. The knife blades are generally thinner and more commonly mistaken for a projectile point, like my hunting buddy always does. I've discovered campsites, and kill sites. Archaic campsites are mostly on a ridge or gap, with a spring close by. I usually find broken points and a few complete smokers. Campsites are where i also find the hammerstones. The kill sites are closer to the creek. I'd imagine its where the animal finally died, plus it would be easier to wash up as well. Kill sites are where I'll see large chopping stones, big knife blades, debitage, and small flake tools. Finding points is cool, but i find much joy in discovering an entire site and piecing it all together. I've tried replicating it over the last 3 years. I've sat in the woods by the campfire making stone points for both the atlatl and arrowhead, while the wild clay pot cooked in the firepit. I've lived where they lived, and experienced the weather through all the seasons. I understand why they chose this ridge and not that ridge. A lot of it has to do with the wind and sun. They didnt necessarily live right next to water. You wake up damp and cold. Everything is wet every morning. They slept high away from the bugs as well. Life was tough back then. As time goes on we found ways to make easier and more simple. I wonder if the same could be said then, why the technology changed and the points became simple and mass produced?
I like that brother what you shared. It is good to see someone else with their eyes open and the mind running and absorbing all to get the bigger picture. I like the one that they lived in the shelter lol. I know different. They lived on top of the shelters where the heat rises, sure they would go in them during storms but they spent most time above the shelter. for a number of reasons. Like I said things weren't all happy go lucky and farmed the land lol like the experts say. They were being hunted by other inhabitents and people in other tribes. That is the info that is being hidden. It is very evident things were not good always hiding away in a corner of the wild. It's like they were always packed and ready to move in an instants notice. Also another reason they lived on top was to be able to see their enemys comming.. I also can elaborate on this but choose to not be so open discussing this topic as others will argue that point from lack of absorbing what they see in a site..Sure later years when the bigger dangers were gone or dwindled down they farmed but not during the early years that came way later. Thanks for watching brother.👍👍💤
Hey brother z you have done well. Thanks for sharing good luck out there
Thanks brother Thank you for watching. 👍👍💤
I’m new to this but I found a hammer stone almost identical to the first stone you showed. Same color same notches on the sides. Thank you for sharing this
Thank you for watching.
Some really nice artifacts you found this year so far
Thanks brother. Not many in that video that's 1/4 of the year. I also have a 1/2 year video posted. Thanks for watching.
Without a doubt, the tips and techniques of rock work evolved according to the hunting artifact that the natives used over time. Spear, Atlatl, bow. BLESSINGS TO MY GREAT FRIEND.
Thanks brother. Thank you for watching. 👍👍💤
People live too fast that's likely why they don't comprehend developing the tools as they utilized them. It's a process few today would have the patience for. Their survival isn't in question and they can afford to be less attentive to daily utility and craftsmanship. You're absolutely right people became sloppy.
Exactly brother. it is evident all a person has to do is look.Thanks for watching.
Very interesting take on the Archaic preform and whether it's a finished knife or something to become......most likely both. You did your best to explain how the technology was lost in later cultures like Hopewell and Adena. That's like saying the first automobile, made in 1898, was better than my 2020 Ford Explorer. Can you elaborate on that a bit more. Thanks again. James
Thanks brother. Like I said in the video all you have to do is look at the product compair both ages hands down newer points were more sloppy made most were just triangular with no notches. here is where it gets interesting and unknown here is the monkey wrench in loss of knowledge. WHERE? The small bird points in the Archaic era what were they made for? The experts say there were NO bows back then, Atlatl,, only 2 have ever been found intact to my knowledge and I have researched this. So actually little is known about the Atlatl. Or anything associated with it. A lot of guesswork there again . guesses. See even the tech on the Atlatl was lost. The reason I brought up small points is the shaft size of the spear it would be too big for the small points. With that tossed in there, Did they have smaller version of the Atlatl for these small points? or are we being fed another lie about there being no bows back then. Bows were wood wood rots then it's gone. only way it is preserved is in a shelter or cave. Or charred by fire.
I agree with your ideas and enjoy the perspective. Its a great hobby and very addictive! Thanks
@@zzzzzzzzzzaper I hear you brother ...but....maybe the simplicity of the design in later artifacts is due to it's thousands of years of refinement??!! I have many Hopewell and Adena knives and points that are amazingly flaked and balanced and not to mention the beautiful materials they used. I appreciate your view and love all the time periods but it is is a bit like comparing apples to oranges for me.......peace and love.
Glad to see this one brother Z. Love the Hammer stone. And I agree 100 about "Utilization" and have always disagreed with the "Preform" thing. And yes trying to argue with people who believe the Natives didn't use almost all the flakes being struck is impossible. Nice to listen to ya chat brother Z. I think you know I've been waiting for this one. Many blessings my friend.
Thanks brother. I am limited to what I can say That video took all friggin day to upload lol. I tried to get in a lot of info in a short amount of time so I was pretty blunt. What I didn't talk about is a real issue even now. All I am saying here is when you are in the woods or wild, country, field, creek best have some kind of a probe like a sword as a back up along with a weapon of choice. You never know who is watching you. Thanks for watching brother. 👍👍💤 I don't know what is up right now but yesterday I seen 4 sherrifs out and about like they are looking for somebody and right now there is a plane divebombing every 3 min.....real weird.
@@zzzzzzzzzzaper The "Vultures" are always watchin brother. I think you know by now that I don't get out much anymore Z but when I had my good days I was always packing. Not because of varmits. 2 legged animals are the biggest problem. Stay safe brother Z
@@kevinkline6835 Yes brother I knew but you are one of the gang and I treat you as such.😁 Weirdo.
@@zzzzzzzzzzaper LOL Thanks brother Z
I wanna do a 1/4 of a year finds......
Great 💡 great 📹
Go for it brother. Thanks for watching.
Love that stone! I found a stone that looks similar to yours, just no working on it, you think it's hematite or some other material?
Thanks. From what I can see from the chips that are in it,,,, it is pink and white Noviculite best guess there. Thanks for watching.
You’re doing way better than me brother. And I believe you are correct, I have many big blades that fit perfectly in the hand that some would call a preform but there is no way, it’s a tool, there was no need to haft everything.👍🇺🇸
Thank you brother. Exactly they didn't notch cobbs blades or stanfield type. And like I was saying they traveled light had a small bag of goodies to make points and shafts. I will tell you a lil secret where you see yucca plants start looking close there is your string material they grew them at mainly all campsites somewhere close good locator to help you find. Thanks for watching.
@@zzzzzzzzzzaper Right on brother👍🇺🇸
Nice finds mr ZZZ do you know anything about prayer stones i have one i found a long time ago i was going to send a picture but it didn't go through thanks for sharing
Thanks brother. I believe those came latter on when the Spainish Tried to colonize. A lot happened then that is hidden. Not much is said except for the Aztects. Whole lots more happened too They had armies over here they fought adverse opponets too.....It was not a happy go lucky world for any one. Thanks for watching. 👍👍💤
nice find
Thanks for watching brother.
I agree with everything you're saying I'm from Central Missouri and I find same kind of stuff its beautiful stuff. May be sort of primitive looking and not perfect like most people like but those kinds of artifacts are my favorite
I do nap arrowheads but only traditional way with stone and antler and I always keep that stuff totally separate from my collection of real arrowhead/blades/artifacts and I agree fooling someone is why there's fake stuff in circulation right now
Thanks brother. I just got back from the site got a couple big trees down in it from the storm last night. I did manage to pick up 1/2 of a adz nice one too I may have the rest of it. Thanks for watching.👍👍💤
@@BryanKoenig379 Exactly. I have actually 3 hooks as soon as you show somebody they freak and tell you they are fake... I found them 1 in Texas Other 2 here in Mo. real deals.
Looks like an awesome quarter to me,brother Zzzzzz 😎👊!!!
Thanks brother It IS being hard on me lol. I'm thinking diggin today here in a min been out with the legend today no coins I found a penny with the ORX And a dime with the deus 2 lite no find for the nokta☹ And I gave it more time. again lol REAL COMPAIRASON. 3 RD time I have done this same results. I'm going diggin. Thanks for watchin brother. 👍👍💤
@@zzzzzzzzzzaper
Lol 🤣👍,Better luck diggin 🍀
That would have been nice, hate that.
The Dalton classic? yea mee too Thanks for watching brother.
Its not that they lost knowlege of creating points....they swapped atlatl for bow and arrow...arrowhead became smaller and smaller until europeans showed up with metal....
Thanks brother. If you looked closely there are ittybitty points right there. They look a whole lot nicer than woodland pieces...... Also did they have small launchers and spears?? Kinda makes you wonder huh? As for the Bow let's get the truth out there for a change, The information on the time the bow origin is based on the earliest FIND. Ok with that said how long does it take wood to rot away to nothing? it varies. The bow they found was pure luck. just like the atlatl they found not many.........The facts are flawed because of this the find was the earliest that's all NO one knows for sure when the bow came all speculation. The mass production from large cities is where tech was lost.
How can we know for sure? I have many rocks like this and I don't know whether there is any way to prove it natural or worked. there are too many forces, pressures, events, circumstances, over too many millions of years, that bear upon what a rock looks like - I say this only re: groundstone.
Thanks brother. That rock was definately altered by man It even was heat treated that's why it is red.lol It has pecking al over it And it is polished. That's how you tell plus You have to know what YOU are looking at. Thanks for watching.
@@zzzzzzzzzzaper I guess I need to learn how to determine A red rock from a burnt rock and a small hole from a Peck hole
i found arrowheads
Thanks. cool. Thank you for watching
Experience teaches beyond books and bull. I smack any rock I can attempt. I learn from making and using tools. You my friend understand. Skip the nonsense and snap away
It's called material utilization. I'm sure they used all their materials to their maximum extent. Just like my parents who went through the depression and hard times. My mom and Dad utilized everything they could. The tribe or clan was a community and in my opinion they had to use everything to maximize the chances of survival. Thank you for showing your finds. You have a beautiful assortment of tools. I like that hammer stone a d said so when you found it. That big point or blade that's broken with the red stripe is awesome to bad its broke. God Bless and looking forward to seeing more of your videos and finds.
Thanks brother. Exactly. There is still more to it yet. lol Yes the red stripe was a real bummer a table rock cross breed right there lol. Thanks for watching.👍👍💤
The more modern ones are much nice at least in west 300 years age they were killers
Thanks brother. The material is what you see there I agree with that. As far as craftsman ship goes no. Thanks for watching.