He is right on. I'm ex navy submariner. We were taught about imploding subs. You won't feel it. It happens so fast, your brain has no time to process the failure.
@@TheEDFLegacy just for something interesting to do. You cant actually see the hull compress, It was rather creepy to know that HY 80 steel (US submarine hull metal) could move so easily.
@@ChrisRaynorMDThat's why I'm grateful you're covering this. Although I have a good idea of what happened to the unfortunate passengers of this incident, I know a great many have no idea whatsoever. Thank you.
All he's doing is beating a dead horse. Nothing he's said is new information. Although I enjoy the macabre, and I don't particularly care about the loss of life or his discussing it, it's factual that he's only making the video to cash in on the free clicks.
@@AutismusPrime69 he could've just gotten straight to the point? some people wouldn't have wished condolences due to them thinking this was a pointless, careless, and stupid plan
I received a lot of hatred on social media when I said these people just disappeared in a red foamy mist. People wanted to ask me where I got my medical degree to say such a thing, and it was just simply understanding pressure and what it can do to the human body. May these people's souls rest in peace.
That's what implosion does under those pressures, it's really not rocket science. They wouldn't have known what hit them, even if they knew it was coming. That's one hell of a way to go out, though. With an added caveat; they have now joined the company of the Titanic's victims. That in itself is hauntingly thought provoking. And yes, may they all RIP.
People are stupid just ignore them, I knew exactly what he said was the case and i am no doctor, that amount of force pushing in on you all while what is in you is pushed out, they became human juice essentially with tiny chunks in between.
Depends on how you worded it. Saying that isn’t the problem but considering this only happened within the month no matter how harsh or not harsh you were being there is still families mourning. You are right though. Their deaths were probably quick. It’s just a sad situation I’m sure you meant no disregard to human life.
"You go from being biology to being physics" might be the most impactful statement I've heard about this tragic accident. Thank you for the thorough explanation, I needed it to stop thinking about what exactly had happened.
@@kevindonohue2912 you are not asking this ..but in theory humans would live longer or greater in health , wounds heal faster, in a higher oxygen as to pressure on earth's land surface . One ideal theory has scanty evidence they did once . It gets fascinating you see .
Man, it’s really satisfying to hear someone speak quickly and concisely with no mumbling, no filler words like “you know”, “I mean” nor “ums” and “ahs”. Thanks!
@jamesrobert4106 Wow, so for some reason you just felt you needed to randomly denigrate half the human population on a completely unrelated comment. Thats a great look, there.
13:21 "You go from being biology to being physics." That's honestly a pretty terrifying way to describe it. You're dead before you realize you're doomed, and everything after that is... just... ugh...
The design went against certification guidelines, I'm sure you all know that, right...I'm sure you guys also know the crush hull depth should of been tested at 16,000 feet to insure 12,500 was safe to dive, right. I'm sure you know the guidelines of were a hatch, opening should be and how far above the water, right? I'm also sure everyone knows about the psi at that depth, right. How about physical force, like 10,000 tons on the hull equally..all of this is confirmed through people in the field of submersibles..
Definitely the best regarding what happened to the passengers but not the best in regards to the sub. There’s a few videos out by engineers and submersible operators that you can find on TH-cam if you’re interested in the specifics on what happened with sub. Also that DbCooper dude acting like a Karen
As a retired US Navy Submariner, I can say that every professional Submariner has thought about what would happen during a pressure hull implosion. The only good thing about it is you won't even know it happened but, we all lived with the fact that it could happen to us. The Sea is unforgiving. My sympathies for the for the lost Titan Sub riders.
A submarine is structurally designed in a way that makes implosion possible. The Titan was carbon fibre. It is thousands - or millions of fibres that must each give way before there can be a failure of the hull. Even then, its nature means that some areas will be breached first. If you’ve been at sea, you will likely have seen the difference in damage and behaviour between a collision in a metal hull and a collision in a fibreglass one. Steel buckles, fibreglass bends to an extent, while tears may develop along the worst stressed portions, as individual fibres snap. I believed from the start this would be the case, but had no idea how long it would take to tear through. Now the transcript is out, the crackling sound they could hear on the Titan was very likely the sound of individual fibres of the hull material failing.
Says you. Who are you to tell people what they should say and how they should say it? You don't have any right to control anybody's comments. You don't like it, scroll on, don't read. It's none of your business how he wrote what he wanted to say. You aren't the world editor of comments. 🙄
Served on a sub many years ago, now a nurse. Was always told we wouldn’t feel anything, but never got an analysis as to why. Thanks, that’s really clear. The Navy should play this in sub school.
They didn't feel any pain but they likely felt a lot of fear. If the newly leaked transcripts are authentic then they knew something was wrong and tried to make an emergency descent. I can't imagine the fear of being trapped a box thousands of feet under water and knowing it's failing. The transcripts show there was about 15 or 20 minutes where they knew they were having problems. Then all communication stopped.
@@TruthIsTheNewHate84 well, hopefully whoever was in control was telling them that all was good until the implosion then if that is true. I saw a video talking about the transcript and in that one, the guy was stating that the sub descended too fast. Not sure if true, but could have been a contributing factor.
@@ln108 yeah I saw the same video. The guy likely did try to play it off and say everything was cool but it's fairly easy to spot fear, panic, and anxiety on someone's face. Like going to the hospital because something is wrong. The doctor tries to reassure you but if it's a serious problem you can see the worry all over the doctor's and nurse's face. I hope they weren't scared but they likely were very scared. Especially the key d who didn't want to be there in the first place and only went because his dad wanted him to go with him.
Thank you for the informative video. I was a Submariner for the US Navy. I served on a Thresher class Submarine. The USS Thresher was lost with all hands in April of 1963 after an overhaul. As any Submariner will tell you, the thought of an implosion is something that always in the back of our minds. At least we knew our boats were not expermintal designes.
The USS Thresher was a Permit Class Submarine, there's no such thing as a 'Thresher Class Submarine', something which anyone who ever actually served on such a vessel would surely know. Thanks for outing yourself.
@@harryricochet8134 Really?!?!?! USS Threshser SSN 593. USS Permit was SSN 594. Since I did serve on that class of submarine I do know what I am talking about. Which boats did you serve on? I served on USS Haddo SSN 604 a Thresher/Permit class boat.
@@trollman591 Yu're both correctt. It's was Thresher Class until the Thresher went down. It's a Permit Class 594 boat after as the name Thresher would be Taboo to remain as the class name. I served on the USS Haddock SSN 621. A "Permit Class" 594 boat. Incidentally, the USS Haddock was originally to be christened as the Thresher but caught fire in the yards, delaying her christening. Some of the valves on the Haddock were stamped with the Thresher name and hull number. When I went into "Special Projects" I rode many L.A. Class 688's.
@@roypublic3269 Some of the equipment on USS Haddo was stamped USS Thresher SSN593. It did freak me out a bit when I first checked on board. I rode USS Haddo to decomm. I did ride a 688 after that. USS Honolulu. I did not know that about USS Haddock. The little things you learn on the internet from other squids.
At these kind of pressures, it doesn't matter if it is a gas or a liquid, the end result is always the same. With gas and liquid leaks, it's a sharper and fast cut than any obsidion scalpel.
As an ex-submarine medic, your video is the most comprehensive explanation of all factors involved regarding this tragedy. Thank you for taking the time to break it all down so calmly and factually. Now I can just refer friends to your video when they ask me; saves me having to continually explain it. 😊
Asking you about others why they are so anti-knowledge against bringing up science or words that might be interesting . If you notice we live in a now very anti society when it comes to books and etc ..
@@konservation6205 people in these comments get offended by words used like 'toothpaste' in the video and in my observation is what causes them or society to become so bland or boring in being anti-knowledge. I'm 59 and to me previous ways of freely discussing or expressing words of knowledge were much better since it was welcome .. People need to leave their house or place to see what can lie along roads ..animal killed by a car , etc . Walk thru a deep forest for hours . To see some cringing things to see is what makes things up around us ..
I've seen death happen far too slowly many times [I'm an RN]. Even though this death seems scary and horrible, the speed at which they passed is a huge blessing for the victims and their families.
I love that you're pulling references and clips from other TH-camrs. It gives us all another jumping off point in the rabbit hole and exposes their subjects to a whole new audience. Brilliant.
How awfull for all on board they did not need to do this there are great dvds out there where you see titanic and sea life was rush running out of cash why was this allowed to go to sea after 18 warnings that the other passengers did not know about wendy should be questioned did her husband want to cause suicide was the company going bankrupt he seemed to be a right know it all greedy for money.
As a former crew member of a U.S. nuclear submarine and later as a civilian pilot of a submersible, I found your video to be one of the best I've seen in detailing the facts and physics of the Titan incident. Well done. Thumbs up headed your way. Thank you. Cheers, D.
@@michaelwalters3970 I spoke about this with my brother (former sub Quartermaster) and a few other Navy buddies; why didn't SOSUS detect the implosion..? The Navy not reporting an implosion gave us a wee bit of hope; alas unfortunately, we presumed the Navy would have publicized the event...I guess it is a PR dilemma.
This dude is all class, these are the kind of people we need to explain a terrible incident like this. Not some clowns trying makes jokes or silly ass science experiments. Thank you Dr.
I ESPECIALLY HATE video presenters that try to make themselves sound Oh So Clever with the cracking of inane, stupid jokes or comments, revealing just how Not Oh So Clever they actually are. If you make video's, and feel the need to show off your cleverness repeatedly, I'm not going to watch. This here has none of that inane posturing, just facts and educational value. It earns my respect, and I do NOT give that out easily.
I can not over state how much you're ability to break everything down into understandable science is a gift of your vast knowledge and well articulated understanding. It is a true gift you possess.
I really appreciate you referencing and crediting other TH-camrs. We all fear death and we want to learn from other people's mistakes. It's a morbid curiosity that is completely natural and reasonable imo.
@@02markcal well, even if you don't fear death itself, you might still fear the painful process of dying, and if not that even, I'd imagine you'd want to try and postpone it as long as possible. Investigating these incidents benefit all of the above, more or less.
Those who know Jesus don't fear death! He died for our sins! And rose from the dead! He is Alive and has defeated death! So though a man shall die, he will Live!
As someone who used to be on a search and recovery team in the military, human remains can be a single tooth or part of a pinky bone. I wouldn’t be surprised if the remains found were just some bone shards or teeth. We used to lace a dog tag through our boot laces because depending on the environment and what could happen that may be all that is left, a boot with a foot in it.
This is another reason to thank a Veteran every chance you get! We walk around and complain about our country, but easily forget the price paid for the freedom to do so. So Thank you to any veteran that happens to read this. You are our heros.
Dr. Raynor I wanted to leave another comment. Your presentation was even more impressive than I stated before. I admire speakers that have a wide breathe of vocabulary. Your knowledge seems to be second to none. Thanks again.
I agree. Its sooooo nice to listen to a TH-cam creator who has a wide grasp of the vocabulary of their preferred language. Whether it's English, German, Russian, etc a large vocabulary is extremely important
"A smart person learns from their mistakes. A wise person learns from other people's mistakes." A lesson that has been taught time and time again throughout history; the ocean is the most unforgiving force on this planet.
@@cedricosborne442 Unfortuneately, many never learn from the fatal mistakes of others, thus repeat those fatal errors in judgment - and most occurrences being for reason of hubris. The only individual I feel deep remorse for is the 19-year old son who did not listen to his gut, but chose rather to please his father - on father's day. That really is heartbreaking. The other individuals were old and wise enough to know better, and particularly the French diver, who was supposedly an "expert" on the Titanic wreck. I have no sympathy at all for Stockton Rush - an arrogant, reckless, self-absorbed SOB, totally posessed by averice. I consider him to have been a textbook sociopath.
Space may be the final frontier as far as exploration goes but hell you can at least theoretically survive a few seconds out in the vacuum of space, no such luck 400+ atmospheres under the water
As a submariner, I'm all to familiar with the consequences of submerging. The moment you're under, you are constantly fighting two main things, the vessel which by nature has no right doing the things it does, and the deep, an environment more hostile than outer space. No amount of engineering or training will ever make it 'safe', but going without either is begging Davy Jones to adopt you. Hopefully, we can gain some insight from this event and use that to preserve life in the future. May they rest in peace.
@@john-paulsilke893 According to the transcript that leaked (if it is real) they very much knew it was happening. The sensors were going off and they tried to drop ballast to return to the surface.
This entire video/production is a masterpiece. I work offshore hundreds of miles away from land on a drilling rig and we have ROV companies come out and do work with us all the time so I assumed I knew a good bit about this case going into. I learned so many new things from this video!
I found myself obsessing about their last moments and what they might came through. Now, based on what you said I knew that they went quickly and likely painlessly and I find knowing this quite relieving.
They spent 20 minutes in panic and terror while trying in vain to manage the crisis. Death sat with them a while before he took them. He was grateful to Stockton for the young offering.
around the time when it went missing I was thinking, that discounting them being rescued alive, an implosion would've been the "best" (least bad) outcome, because they wouldn't have known it happened. Imagine staying in complete darkness for 90hrs slowly breathing yourself to death. Unimaginable.
It was probably the equivalent of having an armed firearm pointed directly at your skull. Huge panic from knowing about to die, just to have a near-instant one.
This is exactly the information I have personally been looking for ever since this accident occurred. Specifically the crab and shark examples were particularly helpful for my general knowledge in regards to implosion accidents and the affects of such implosions on the human body. You gave us the actual facts in clear scientific explanations, backed up with interesting data, and in a dignified way in which to protect the families of the five members who perished in this horrible man-made mistake.
@@PartyOf8PleaseSounds like a sane comment, not at all morbid. Let's sure the world knows about all the pain and suffering, that's the ticket. Push that agenda 🤦♂️.
@july3410Let me be clearer. You don't and can't know that. It's entirely likely they knew the sub had issues, sure, but it still would implode before they'd have time to process it. You're need/want for there to have been as much knowledge of impending death and more suffering is a showing of your mind NOT reality. Go to any hospital, wait for the first child to come in after a car crash, a nice bad one as well, start telling the parent "to be clear" "you're kid suffered". You have a sickness in you.
@july3410 Jesus peace be upon him prayed to God he never ever told anyone to pray to him or that he is God. None of the prophets peace be upon them all ever said anything about a trinity or God coming down as a baby.
The shark and the crab--weren't those more suction than implosion? But I guess they proved the point that a bulky thing can quickly turn into a very skinny thing.
I really appreciate this simple, factual analysis of the Titan tragedy. It seems there’s a morbid contingent of people who seem to want them to have suffered in some way. The reassurance that death was instantaneous is much appreciated.
Time is relative. You know how dangerous or traumatic events seem to make time slow down and seconds seem to drag into minutes? What would seem to be instantaneous to us most likely lasted an eternity for those in the sub. They suffered far more than any of us can possibly imagine.
@@jonnieuppercut Ok Einstein, wtf are you even talking about with that relativity nonsense? Their death was instantaneous. Period. They did not "suffer" from anything except anxiety no matter what weird way you try to spin it... By your same logic we all suffer "more than any of us can possibly imagine" because we all experience anxiety and we all know we are going to die.
@@jonnieuppercut If you tap your toe and your scalp in unison, you perceive the two inputs as simultaneous, even though it takes longer for the nervous system to send the signal from your toe, all the way up through your body to the brain. On top of that, you perceive the sight of the tapping as simultaneous to the touch, even though your vision has yet another delay in reaching your conscious perception. This is possible because the human brain actually 'buffers' the inputs from our senses for about 80ms (slightly longer for taller people), in order to correctly pass them to our conscious perception simultaneously. There is an illusion called the "stopped clock", where the second hand of a clock seems to 'freeze' and then resume, if you look away quickly and then look back. Your brain 'freezes' the last stable image, ignores the 'blurry' information as your eyes sweep across the room too rapidly to provide meaningful visual information and then starts feeding the motion information again, approximately 80ms after your vision returns to rest on the clock. For any event that causes loss of consciousness in under ~80ms, the victim will have no time to form even the beginnings of an awareness of that event "They never saw it coming". To use a computer analogy, the crushing forces disconnected power from the computer 1 thousandth of a second after the implosion tried to open a new TH-cam video. The browser had barely even begun buffering the very first frame of that video, when the CPU's data stream winked out of existence. As Dr. Raynor alluded to; Although we perceive it as being 'immediate' in a very real sense, our consciousness experience of life is actually operating in what we would call "the past", as we experience life about 2-4 times the 'blink of an eye' behind what is physically happening in the reality around us.
When the ValueJet 592 crashed into the Everglades, it was a near vertical high speed dive into about 5 ft of water and 30-40’ of muck. My friend was one of the responders and said that wreckage and remains were far more destructive than anyone could have ever imagined. Human remains were mostly no bigger than the size of a kneecap. We are fragile creatures.
Have you ever heard of the paranormal activity that occurred on other planes that they announced that they took POTUS that were expensive and not damaged in the crash and put them on other planes? The two pilots and another engineer were spotted in multiple times on any plane that parts from that flight that crashed in the Everglades were put on. It’s a really interesting story. You should look it up if you haven’t heard about it.
I will never forget that day, I was in the Army at the time and on that day I had battalion staff duty when the call came in from the Red Cross and they informed us that they needed to get a hold of my Chief and that his brother was on board that flight.
Remember it being a Saturday morning when I heard the news. It struck a cord because I was flying at least twice a week at the time. My company had a travel department and I had requested some tickets for JetBlue because they're scheduling fit my needs. My scheduler was adamant and refused to book JetBlue, under any circumstance due to safety concerns. They used old MD 80's from the former Eastern Airlines I believe.
One of the reasons why plane crashes often lead to conspiracy theories - if you've never seen a crash site before you usually just can't believe where the plane and people went - answer: they disintegrated and those engines? Oh yeah they are a long way away because they are heavy and conservation of momentum is a thing.
I'm very happy you spoke on this. With such a horrific incident, at least we can take solace that at least they didn't feel it happening. Thanks, Doc ❤
Out of the dozen or so TH-cam videos I've seen, that was, by far, the best and most concise explanation I've heard about what happened to the submersible and those people. Great job at combining info from different sources and making them make sense.
This is so assiduously explained, with examples for each scenario, that I stopped trying to understand what he was saying and marveled at just how he was imparting knowledge! Brilliant teaching!!!!!!!!
Thank you for helping to clear up this confusion. I'm glad to know that not only did they not get to consciously experience the implosion itself, but that even our pain sensing process is too slow to register something so instantaneous.
@july3410 If that's true, then that's horrible. Spending 19 minutes in a compact space under water knowing you'll be dead soon - is (imo) worse than dying in a plane crash! 😮
This was one of the most comprehensive videos I've seen explaining "instantaneous" death as well as how quickly the implosion occurred and what happened to their bodies. THANK YOU
I remember a lot of backlash when people first started discussing this No one wanted to hear of the devastating effect on the bodies as it was thought to be morbid and disrespectful to families. They just wanyed to hear that it was quick and painless. Thank you for keeping it real sir
As others have stated on here thank God it was so fast and instantaneous to the point that it happened quicker than the optic nerve could process and signal movement information to the brain. The only downside is that if the communication transcripts with the surface vessel are true they would have been painfully aware of their potential impending doom but also hopefull that the submersible was rising fast enough to escape the crushing depths. This would have been just about as close as it is possible to get to being instantly vaporized by the flash at the epicentre of a nuclear bomb detonation. They felt absolutely nothing and there were no bodies to recover just simply 'missing in action' RIP to all souls lost.
@@blakespowerThere's still all kinds of very morbid videos, unfortunately for families of victims - fortunately for gore lovers. Whatever makes people appreciate life, however seeing people committ suicide on camera is quite shocking even to those of us that have contact with death almost every day.
I can definitely see the years of training in bed side manner come into play here. Your approach to the topic was professional, respectful, and informative. I can imagine this is the same way you conduct yourself around a patients loved ones. What happened is a shame and hopefully a lesson that won’t be forgotten anytime soon.
I am glad it happened so fast. The saddest part is that young man who went along with his dad, never thinking this would be anything more than a cool adventure.
I wanted to understand the process that occurs with implosion and it’s impact on the human body. You provided this information in a respectful way. It is truly sad, but a blessing they did not have time to “experience” the event in their brains. Thank you for helping make this easier for people like me to understand.
you did a fantastic job of explaining the whole process of what happens. it's comforting to know these souls did not suffer a horrid death, and you were very respectful of those who were lost and who have lost. massive respect to you sir, we all needed to know why, and you gave us the answer. thankyou Doctor.
It's amazingly merciful, and still terrifying. Just imagining that: going about my business with no health problems or anything out of the ordinary, everything looks and soun- afterlife. No biological chance of recognizing that anything went wrong, just not alive anymore because I was in the way of physics, and now I'm at the Pearly Gates or whatever other option there is wondering what the heck happened. It's enough to make someone paranoid, yet also strangely reassuring at the same time.
THEY HAD TIME TO UNDERSTAND DEATH IS COMMING Panic or not thats was there last moment, they knew it, You know its the end .. and it happened they, didnt know it happened ...I would not panic as i would be so amazed by this adventure :P
@@HackanhackerAs scary as knowing something is wrong can be it's still a much better death than slowly suffocating or drowning. At most they heard some cracking and groaning, maybe say the viewport crack and the crew become agitated. But when the end came it was so catastrophic that they didn't know that death was truly upon them.
@@XenonPrimeSBSV Yes absolutly Idont know if I said something that was impliying i tough the reverse but I totally agree ... yes! If there was no intense panic or if they had accepted there faith nowing theres is no chance ... Not even a slight suffering can be possible ... as the brain can be a savior for intense moment ... it can make somone crazy real fast (panic). If that happened (which i dont belive it happen that much (the human race is crzy tolerable for intense event) That was the ONly suffering that occured :P And im glad it was under water XD I mean I would be ready to die (mabye not to young but it would not bother me at all to sign the paper saying i might die ... to go deep like that .. I would do that All the way (such as going in space) how can you panic its just a freaking cool experience and they didnt died for nothing they made a crazy cool adventure) ( i kinda want to go deep under water since this xD)
The greatest suffering will have occurred during those precious minutes where the crew could hear the pressure vessel failing, the inability of the sub to meaningfully move up to the surface and the people being scared witless while it was happening. Some of them at least will have had the understanding that it would not end well. The stress of that mental suffering must have been intense in the extreme, the irony being that at the point of disaster the event happened so fast that the central nervous system did not have the time to register, let alone to process, let alone to feel pain before all on board perished. Anyone who is still in doubt as to whether it was worth it to cut some corners to save costs: physics does not care about your wallet or your social standing.
@@jeff-f7g It wasnt the fact they were down too far, it was the fact that Stockton Rush simply didnt care about any kind of safety consideration at all. There are lots of deep sea submersibles that go down to the depths with no problem.They are designed tested and certified for this purpose. Rush was using disparate materials literally glued together and the carbon fibre was NOT designed tested or recommended for this application. Indeed, Rush was WARNED by more than one engineer that this was going to end badly. Furthermore, he himself had HEARD the crackling sounds on previous dives, and STILL didn't bother to get any kind of testing done.When passengers expressed concern over the noises of the carbon fibre delaminating, Rush replied "Don't worry, this carbon fibre is 5 inches thick" The sheer arrogance on top of hubris and total lack of any concern was bound to end badly.That poor 19 yr old kid didnt even want to go, he did it cuz his Dad asked him to. The whole thing is very sad.
I tend to doubt that they were in panic mode yet. They RTM or whatever, the hull measurement warning alarm they received is designed to go off in time for them to safely navigate their way to retreat. They knew The Prince was starting recovery systems too, according to some [unverified] transcripts. They were probably mostly disappointed that they were going to miss seeing the Titanic this trip.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver why? Man cant figure out basic manners anymore or a proper way to dress outside of their home and you think space is important for our survival?
Thank you for taking the time to post this video. I’ve watched nearly every video regarding the Titan Submersible (as about 10 new videos pop up every day) and I must say your video is one of the better ones that answers my specific questions.
Thank you Dr. Raynor for explaining this in a way that I ALMOST understand. I’ll watch it a few more times to glean all of what you’re saying, but I’ve watched a lot of videos and this is the ONE THING that has been glossed over in other videos… well done sir!
Literally the first thing about the Titan outside of basic news that I didn't just tune out. I appreciate a doctor's views, and the fact that you pulled from engineers and others outside your area of expertise to get a fuller picture of this tragedy. I doubted anyone suffered based on existing knowledge I learned in high school physics class, nursing school, and from learning about the Byford Dolphin disaster... But the confirmation is nice. Also, the crab footage was trippy.
Now, that crab DID KNOW something was up! He had a couple of seconds to kinda fight. But the shark...wow! I thot that was wayyy trippier!!! 😬 He had NO CLUE what hit him! I was surprised how both were sucked in so quickly, but also, that there was no trace of them ever being there! No blood, skin, bones, anything, left in the water! I hope that doesn't happen often!!!
For future reference: one of the pictures of the ‘Byford Dolphin’ disaster in this video is actually of a damaged turbine from the Sayano-Shushenskaya power station accident in Russia. For some reason, this picture is attached to multiple Byford Dolphin related pages. Just FYI.
This video is extremely informative, tasteful, and well done. If you're looking to get educated on the science of this tragedy, this is absolutely the video to watch. Very thorough, and very respectful. Well done, Doctor. Thank you for the detailed explanation.
@@petermaunsell4575 i think you misjudge the author. He is a doctor, he deals with death and mutilation every day, he is just describing in ways people can relate too.
The pressure was the thing that many don't really comprehend, and the weight of that water. Think water jet cutter. One second you have a solid piece of metal, and the next anything in the way of the water is gone. They never stood a chance once they were finally in the water. That sub was a death trap. There are times and places that you can survive being cheap, and taking budget options over the best options for the situation. Venturing into the depths of the Ocean isn't one of them. God speed Titan crew.
that sub I would say was a true death trap, any thing goes wrong it's death.. the ship on top has absolutely nothing to latch onto it to pull it back up with a submersible , personally I think any deep dive sub should have a tethered remote submersible right next to it at all times to be able to connect a cable and pull it up immediately
The weight of the water on 1 sqm of hull is basically the weight of 1 sqm of the entire ocean above them. That's 4000 tonnes. Per square meter. Or, 0.1 elephants per fingertip. Touch the hull with all 10 of your fingers - just the tips - that amount of hull is supporting 1 elephant's weight.
The concept is similar but a water jet is still worse. In this scenario you are talking about getting hit with an abrasive filled wall of water and debris at about 6k psi give or take. A water jet is a precision beam of abrasive water in the 50k-80K+ range targeted at a very tiny target usually a small fraction of an inch. Don't get me wrong the end result is still dead human sauce but one is localized and one is literally your entire world coming down on you
Thank you Dr. Chris for explaining this in detail. It gives me a newfound respect for the ocean, physics and the people dedicated to building safe and strong vessels.
He missed an important detail. Inside the carbon fibre tube was a titanium tube. The carbon fibre fragments moving with the water pressure speed wouldn't contact the occupants like he says but move against the thick titanium tube with the water pressure flattening it like a pancake.
Thank you for explaining this to those of us who are not highly educated in physics. You explained this really well & I found it both interesting & fascinating. Obviously, I mean no disrespect to the unfortunate victims of this horrendous catastrophe.
The only silver lining in all of this is that while I am sure it was terrifying leading up to the implosion, there was no pain or suffering. My deepest condolences to the family of the victims, and may they (the victims) rest in peace.
@@IAmNotAFunguy reports tend to indicate that they knew that a catastrophic failure was going to happen but at the moment we do not know for sure. Hopefully they did not realize.
I spent several years serving aboard military submarines and this is the single best explanation I’ve seen of what happens during a deep sea implosion. Apparently, the US Navy knew what it was talking about because this video agrees with everything I was taught as a submariner.
Nicely done doctor. This discussion was and should have been about science, pure and simple. You included thoughtful and compassionate words but ultimately you did a service to those seeking knowledge. Thank you.
Good description of what probably happened. Although the poor souls may have not felt anything from the implosion itself, I have seen evidence that they had tried to resurface. From the time they tried to resurface because of loud noises and the actual implosion, it was around 20 minutes. That is a long time to have to contemplate what will happen.
They heard creaking noises and worse, and the system for monitoring the carbon fibre was throwing up red lights. They sat in a tube for a good 20 minutes knowing they were fucked, all the while that Stockton twat was probably downplaying things like it was fine.
The loss of the USS Thresher and Scorpion must have followed a similar timeline. Both were nuclear subs that had some kind of mechanical or electrical failure at depth. Both descended slowly over a few minutes until they went past crush depth and imploded.
I'm glad it was explained this way. I'm sorry they all lost their lives but I'm glad they weren't aware of what was about to happen and extremely thankful they didn't feel it. My thoughts and prayers are with their loved ones
Systems were failing in the sub. The passengers were aware of those system failures. So they had a pretty good idea the sub was gonna implode at some point. Their level of fear and panic was probably staggering to even imagine. They were not just casually sitting there one minute and the next they were liquid. They were most likely terrified in the last moments.
I'm sorry but I don't buy that whole "not feeling anything" scenario for a minute. Yes it may happen instantaneously but we all know that when something bad happens to us time slows down and there has to be some kind of initial jolt that happens before everything goes to part, and there's no telling how it happens to each individual with regards to their respective positions in the craft. Either way it's a terrible fate and doesn't give me any incentive to wanna get into a submarine.
You’re very considerate to the victims yet explained the physics involved in this senseless disaster. Grateful they didn’t experience pain or worse float around hoping to be saved in an unfathomable rescue. Fantastic job Dr. Raynor.
@@realDanielAugustineIt's definitely not inconsiderate. It's truthful and helps people get a better picture as to what exactly happened. Relating things to other things the vast majority of the population is familiar with helps gives us a better understanding. Disrespectful would be laughing at the victims or doing a grotesque reenactment of their deaths.
@englishatheart My question is, what happened to their souls? I can't believe that they were so gullible to believe this experiment. My condolences to the families.
Don't be too sure, there is a theory that they knew they were in trouble for nearly 20 minutes and tried to ascend after hearing cracking sounds and having alerts go off that the hull was failing.
@@RevolutionarySoul1923 , for 20 minutes they knew what was coming at them. no amount of consolation will change that they suffered an enourmous ordeal. RIP, toothpastes.
@hydrohasspoken6227 actually that's already been debunked by another engineer. The device used to alert them wouldn't have started alerting until the hull had already failed, it wasn't even the appropriate sensor
As an ex submarine sailor, i can say this is an IMMEDIATE blink out of existence. No pain, not even a realization of what was happening. They literally just blinked out of existence.
Makes me feel a whole lot better knowing they didn't suffer and that this was instant. Thank you for explaining it so well. Thank you for the video. It was informative.
The only suffering they faced was knowing they weren't coming back. The panic and horrifying thoughts of you inevitable end and that there's nothing you can do about it. That's worse.
There’s some possible record of messages that was leaked. Timing lines up on it. They had system failures and heard sounds that shouldn’t have happened prior to them losing connection completely and the implosion. If it’s real, they knew they were in imminent danger for about 15 minutes before it.
Yes. This horrible tragedy. The good doctor explained with science and sensitivity better than anyone re the Titan submersible, that these passengers did not suffer and indeed had no time anatomically to even process the instant doom. Miraculously and through science , these innocents were spared the inevitable. God rest them in peace forever.
"Innocents" only one innocent person was on that sub, the rest knew what they were getting into and one could have been put under a jail for the level of reckless endangerment and crude ignorance he displayed. Fuck these people besides the kid who was forced to go.
Considering how there's no such thing as a good billionaire, I fail to see this as a tragedy. You go poke around in a grave (for fun as a tourist) and you get what you deserve.
Dr Raynor you really have a way of presenting facts in a sequence that makes a complex situation and makes it where an amateur, like myself, can understand what took place. Well done! I’ll be subscribing and checking on your work more in the future. Cheers!
It was truly horrifying. And the worst bit is, they knew about 1/2 an hour from the implosion that something was wrong. There were alarms going off & they were asking the mother ship to help them to fix the problem. So. Very sadly they did know something was wrong. They just didn’t feel it when that ‘something’ became a catastrophic event.
Watch the Hulu documentary just released called journey to the titanic truth and lies, bet you’ll lose that sympathy. Stockton caused it all. I only feel sympathetic for the teenager
Mary, I don't know if they had any knowledge of the failure. Perhaps they were returning, but I think it just as likely the drop weights were lost in the implosion.
I feel better knowing I’m not the only one who wondered this. I just didn’t fully understand what happens to a human body in an implosion, especially since there were no remains.
i think they suffered terribly. for 19 minutes, awaiting a watery death. mind you 2 of them were billionaires, so they must have been awful people. so fuck em.
@@LilyAmongThorns Unfortunately the alleged transcript of the Titan sub has been leaked and it shows that they were having issues a few minutes before the surface lost contact entirely. Jeff Ostroff has a video on it that breaks it down pretty well imo
I loved the part at 18:16. To add to this, (if I recall correctly) it takes even longer to even dedicate experiences to memory. So even if a person can sense a quick death in that time, they won't even know what happened. I barely survived being hit by a car and don't remember even stepping into the street before the impact. Just one moment on the sidewalk, then foggy memories from the hospital.
I've had a similar experience. I know riding my bike down a sloped hill and that a car drove in my way from the right, but I don't recall hitting it, flying several feet through the air, landing on the asphalt, or even being loaded into the ambulance afterward. I was simply knocked out cold and woke up in the hospital. Miraculously, I walked out with only some minor injuries and a slight concussion.
I think this is perhaps also partly to do with shock and every individual is different. I was 10 and got hit by a car and can recall every moment - even what was said immediately afterwards. I'm now 42. But I am also hard to make jump, and I am also a bit of an adrenaline seeker too (I ride motorcycles and enjoy the high speed, acceleration and sometimes near misses they make me feel "alive") I think everyone's brain is different in how memories are made. I think perhaps people who can for example deal with boredom better would perhaps not record memories the same as me. What panicks me may not panick someone else and vice versa. Emotions and the chemicals they release play a huge part in memory creation I think.
Just about the only thing they probably sensed was that they were going to die. Any number of events could have happened, they might have lost power and couldn’t see anything. The SMS transcripts is also heavily criticized.
This is extremely well-reasoned and well-described. Probably the best video on the phenomenon that I've seen so far. Well done on referencing the Byford Dolphin incident and explaining the differences between the two. Liked and subscribed.
Agree. For future reference: one of the pictures of the ‘Byford Dolphin’ disaster in this video is actually of a damaged turbine from the Sayano-Shushenskaya power station accident in Russia. For some reason, this picture is attached to multiple Byford Dolphin related pages.
This is the best most thorough scientific breakdown I’ve seen so far of what happened to the Titan sub occupants and what they likely experienced. Well done Dr.! 👍
I'm a certified Scuba Diver and I've been 100 ft under water, and you can feel the water pressure even at 10 ft, you start getting what's called sinus squeeze, so I couldn't imagine that kind of pressure on the human body, especially when it imploded, they were dead before they even knew what happened. Not only do you get the destruction of the implosion, you also get the outward explosion after the implosion, that's why you see the wreckage spread out, they turned into liquid soup before they knew what happened.....so sad, because he should have listened to what people were telling him, but now he don't have to worry about it I guess.
I love all of this information . The best one I saw before this was two bit DaVinci . The only sad but true fact of at least some sort of comfort was that their passing was literally instantaneous . 🙏's
First time viewer, thank you for all the information that would take myself hrs on end to fully understand and research. Proud new subscriber! Keep up this amazing work and content please!
I think the fact that there were multiple different possible modes of failure for this, to the point where we are not quite sure which one, just indicates how many risks they were stacking up at once.
Mmm, but this is true of any complex method of transportation. Hence why when a plane crashes we don't assume the cause until a very very thorough investigation, because there are so many possible causes for any specific wreck that it's hard to tell without a LOT of data. Looking at a plane crash or train wreck alone rarely tells you what caused it. This isn't unique to this situation.
@@tonymorris4335 I think that's a different situation subtly; in this case there were multiple egregious safety violations which any number of them could have contributed to or directly caused this disaster. With any transport accident, you have to also start with the assumption that anything and everything failed, and prove yourself wrong for each thing until the remaining possibilities can't be ruled out. But in most transport disaster investigations, there's usually no one clear place to start. The reason they have to think of all the possibilities is just because usually there's no obvious clear reason. But in the case of the Titan Sub, there's like at least four different potential things that independently could have brought this down, and all are good starting points. With a plane crash, there's layers of safety, and disasters happen as a result of a lot of holes in those layers of safety. In this case, any safety was really an illusion, and there were multiple giant safety gaps inherent in the system, which could all independently have caused this outcome.
There is a difference between"car accidents can have many causes" and "Wow, this guy was driving a car with only one lug nut per wheel, and no windshield! I wonder what could have happened?"@@tonymorris4335
@@JoshuaTootell and then finding out later it was just because the driver was drunk. You can't tell what caused the failure because they all always have many possibilities. I'm not arguing that this is different in terms of the risk levels but the simple idea that why it failed isn't immediately obvious is not unique to high risk activity.
This was a very thorough video. I was one a Chemistry major and enjoyed the scientific approach. I'm glad they didn't suffer! Such a tragic and sudden loss. You have a new subscriber!
This was absolute perfection. Beyond informative and yet, not that you'd want to, explained it so well, that even an 8 year old could understand it. I absolutely loved it.
I mean some people don’t find it that interesting this is … really fascinating to me , not something to watch or think about when your feeling anxious at 2 am though aw man …… u ever get that thought that’s (to be fair like 2 milliseconds) , where you feel like your on the sub or in pitch black 3 thousand metres down RAHHHH 😅 TOOTHPASTE F that shid
Your video brings a forgiving sense of comfort surrounding the final moments of the guys experience in the submersible. Its good to know that it happened way too quick for them to have registered the pain. Thank you for shedding the light on this tumultuous and sad ending of life.
I’ve never seen this channel before, but I’m glad I found it. Being interested in physics and having studied the science involved in hydrodynamics and hydrostatic pressure, I think the doctor gives the best, most accurate explanation I’ve yet seen of the events that transpired during the recent implosion of the Titanic submersible. It’s unfortunate that people lost their lives in this ill-fated endeavor, but I think it’s a good thing that so many are interested and are trying to learn about the physical phenomenon that occurred.
I was a submariner in the Navy, and that submersible was a death-trap just from looking at it. They went quick, but they knew it. Great way of explaining it - reminds me of sub school.
There was an analysis that they might be in around 10-15 minutes of panicking calmly just before it completely imploded.. really horrifying to imagine...
@@between2guitars331 uh ..They were most certainly inside the sub lol …your correct as far as they were not on it …they were INSIDE it ….sooooo …not real sure what you are trying to say lol
This is the best video to explain 1) what happened to the vessel, 2) what it may have looked like, 3) what happened to the passengers, and 4) why we can rest easy with the near certainty that they did not suffer. New subscribed. Thanks doc!
Not really. I head about this 2days into it happening saw a pic of the fucking machine and forgot about it because i knew them fucks were dead. And the navy saying its wrecked a week after they knew. They got top notch aquaaudio gear. This whole thing was a farce.
Stockton was definitely a spoiled brat with way too much confidence in himself... I've known a lot of people that had high degrees that were a total baffoons ...
He is right on. I'm ex navy submariner. We were taught about imploding subs. You won't feel it. It happens so fast, your brain has no time to process the failure.
Thank you for your service and thank you for sharing your knowledge
Et1 (ss) here... I always tied a string across upper level ops when when we went to test depth!! Great Fun!
A metal hull would compress... A carbon fiber hull WOULDN'T until failure point.. But I Like your comment
@@robertyoungsr.3811 What for, if I may ask?
@@TheEDFLegacy just for something interesting to do. You cant actually see the hull compress, It was rather creepy to know that HY 80 steel (US submarine hull metal) could move so easily.
Some people might consider this insensitive, but I think explaining this information is important.
Just trying to educate people.
@@ChrisRaynorMDThat's why I'm grateful you're covering this. Although I have a good idea of what happened to the unfortunate passengers of this incident, I know a great many have no idea whatsoever. Thank you.
better to educate so as not to repeat, its like they say, history repeats so its best not to forget it.
Facts don't care about feelings, the Doctor is speaking facts.
Good info, Doc!
All he's doing is beating a dead horse. Nothing he's said is new information. Although I enjoy the macabre, and I don't particularly care about the loss of life or his discussing it, it's factual that he's only making the video to cash in on the free clicks.
Thank you for stating the facts while still remaining respectful of the deceased. No drama, no click bait. Just science.
I agree, though the thumbnail doesn’t look very respectful to me
Fuck being respectful. They were spoiled morons. Who literally signed a contract, stating this might happen.
Respectful? Don’t make me laugh. These self-made corpses have NOTHING to be respected for. But, their arrogance sure is admirable.
Describing the victims as toothpaste is respectful? Do you have mild to severe brain damage?
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Love how the Doctor offered first and foremost his condolences to the family and loved ones! Class act!
What else is he supposed to say? Smh
@@AutismusPrime69 he could've just gotten straight to the point? some people wouldn't have wished condolences due to them thinking this was a pointless, careless, and stupid plan
and then described them being like human toothpaste
I received a lot of hatred on social media when I said these people just disappeared in a red foamy mist. People wanted to ask me where I got my medical degree to say such a thing, and it was just simply understanding pressure and what it can do to the human body. May these people's souls rest in peace.
That's what implosion does under those pressures, it's really not rocket science.
They wouldn't have known what hit them, even if they knew it was coming. That's one hell of a way to go out, though. With an added caveat; they have now joined the company of the Titanic's victims. That in itself is hauntingly thought provoking.
And yes, may they all RIP.
People are stupid just ignore them, I knew exactly what he said was the case and i am no doctor, that amount of force pushing in on you all while what is in you is pushed out, they became human juice essentially with tiny chunks in between.
Depends on how you worded it. Saying that isn’t the problem but considering this only happened within the month no matter how harsh or not harsh you were being there is still families mourning. You are right though. Their deaths were probably quick. It’s just a sad situation I’m sure you meant no disregard to human life.
Yep. Nothing left maybe hair. But if the air ignited that's gone first.
The truth can be ugly. It's not personal.
"You go from being biology to being physics" might be the most impactful statement I've heard about this tragic accident. Thank you for the thorough explanation, I needed it to stop thinking about what exactly had happened.
I am curious how the near instantaneous change in pressure affected cellular or even molecular structures.
ANY death makes the person become a bunch of atoms instead of a functional organism.
This isn’t tragic, this is justice.
@@Jonsmith431 For Rush? Yeah. But I feel bad for the other passengers, especially the young son who only did it for his father.
@@kevindonohue2912 you are not asking this ..but in theory humans would live longer or greater in health , wounds heal faster, in a higher oxygen as to pressure on earth's land surface . One ideal theory has scanty evidence they did once . It gets fascinating you see .
Man, it’s really satisfying to hear someone speak quickly and concisely with no mumbling, no filler words like “you know”, “I mean” nor “ums” and “ahs”. Thanks!
If it was a woman, it would have involved the word, LIKE 94000 times.
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Wow, so for some reason you just felt you needed to randomly denigrate half the human population on a completely unrelated comment.
Thats a great look, there.
Jennette McCurdy called her therapist “the um-less man.” Until then, I had not paid attention to how many times people use filler sounds.
@@childofcascadia Yes! The topic was the use of filler words, which makes my point extremely pertinent and relative.
The truth isn't offensive.
@@jamesrobert4106 except your point is applicable to most men as well
13:21 "You go from being biology to being physics." That's honestly a pretty terrifying way to describe it. You're dead before you realize you're doomed, and everything after that is... just... ugh...
.. turned in to fish food ..
Human Sauce
You go from biology, to history.
@@DP-ym8ev Quick and painless, gotta give it that.
How is it terrifying? It happens so fast your brain has no time to process it. It's probably the best way to go.
This is - so far - the best researched account on what might have happened, not just to the humans onboard, but to the pressure vessel itself.
Glad to hear a doctor can tell us about submersibles..my vet changes my oil??????
The design went against certification guidelines, I'm sure you all know that, right...I'm sure you guys also know the crush hull depth should of been tested at 16,000 feet to insure 12,500 was safe to dive, right. I'm sure you know the guidelines of were a hatch, opening should be and how far above the water, right?
I'm also sure everyone knows about the psi at that depth, right. How about physical force, like 10,000 tons on the hull equally..all of this is confirmed through people in the field of submersibles..
@@thedbcooperforumit’s more so about the people rather than the submersible it’s self
Real Engineering put out a good video on the engineering aspects of this incident.
Definitely the best regarding what happened to the passengers but not the best in regards to the sub. There’s a few videos out by engineers and submersible operators that you can find on TH-cam if you’re interested in the specifics on what happened with sub. Also that DbCooper dude acting like a Karen
As a retired US Navy Submariner, I can say that every professional Submariner has thought about what would happen during a pressure hull implosion. The only good thing about it is you won't even know it happened but, we all lived with the fact that it could happen to us. The Sea is unforgiving. My sympathies for the for the lost Titan Sub riders.
"The Sea is unforgiving. My sympathies for the for the lost Titan Sub riders." all you needed to say. no one cares for your story.
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NO ONE CARES.
@@user-yr4mo3iz4d I found the his story interesting. Some people do care what others have to say. I wasn't aware they lived with that kind of fear.
A submarine is structurally designed in a way that makes implosion possible. The Titan was carbon fibre. It is thousands - or millions of fibres that must each give way before there can be a failure of the hull. Even then, its nature means that some areas will be breached first. If you’ve been at sea, you will likely have seen the difference in damage and behaviour between a collision in a metal hull and a collision in a fibreglass one. Steel buckles, fibreglass bends to an extent, while tears may develop along the worst stressed portions, as individual fibres snap.
I believed from the start this would be the case, but had no idea how long it would take to tear through. Now the transcript is out, the crackling sound they could hear on the Titan was very likely the sound of individual fibres of the hull material failing.
Says you.
Who are you to tell people what they should say and how they should say it?
You don't have any right to control anybody's comments.
You don't like it, scroll on, don't read. It's none of your business how he wrote what he wanted to say.
You aren't the world editor of comments.
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Served on a sub many years ago, now a nurse. Was always told we wouldn’t feel anything, but never got an analysis as to why. Thanks, that’s really clear. The Navy should play this in sub school.
They didn't feel any pain but they likely felt a lot of fear. If the newly leaked transcripts are authentic then they knew something was wrong and tried to make an emergency descent. I can't imagine the fear of being trapped a box thousands of feet under water and knowing it's failing. The transcripts show there was about 15 or 20 minutes where they knew they were having problems. Then all communication stopped.
@@TruthIsTheNewHate84 well, hopefully whoever was in control was telling them that all was good until the implosion then if that is true. I saw a video talking about the transcript and in that one, the guy was stating that the sub descended too fast. Not sure if true, but could have been a contributing factor.
@@ln108 yeah I saw the same video. The guy likely did try to play it off and say everything was cool but it's fairly easy to spot fear, panic, and anxiety on someone's face. Like going to the hospital because something is wrong. The doctor tries to reassure you but if it's a serious problem you can see the worry all over the doctor's and nurse's face. I hope they weren't scared but they likely were very scared. Especially the key d who didn't want to be there in the first place and only went because his dad wanted him to go with him.
Yes perhaps fast but death isn't the end of anyone...and it's UP or DOWN ( the latter which I wouldn't wish on ANYONE)
@@A-Grammie-On-the-ROCK That is not a thing that happens. That is just nonsense there is nothingness after your life is over with.
Thank you for the informative video. I was a Submariner for the US Navy. I served on a Thresher class Submarine. The USS Thresher was lost with all hands in April of 1963 after an overhaul. As any Submariner will tell you, the thought of an implosion is something that always in the back of our minds. At least we knew our boats were not expermintal designes.
The USS Thresher was a Permit Class Submarine, there's no such thing as a 'Thresher Class Submarine', something which anyone who ever actually served on such a vessel would surely know. Thanks for outing yourself.
@@harryricochet8134 Really?!?!?! USS Threshser SSN 593. USS Permit was SSN 594. Since I did serve on that class of submarine I do know what I am talking about. Which boats did you serve on? I served on USS Haddo SSN 604 a Thresher/Permit class boat.
@@trollman591 Yu're both correctt. It's was Thresher Class until the Thresher went down. It's a Permit Class 594 boat after as the name Thresher would be Taboo to remain as the class name. I served on the USS Haddock SSN 621. A "Permit Class" 594 boat. Incidentally, the USS Haddock was originally to be christened as the Thresher but caught fire in the yards, delaying her christening. Some of the valves on the Haddock were stamped with the Thresher name and hull number. When I went into "Special Projects" I rode many L.A. Class 688's.
@@roypublic3269 Some of the equipment on USS Haddo was stamped USS Thresher SSN593. It did freak me out a bit when I first checked on board. I rode USS Haddo to decomm. I did ride a 688 after that. USS Honolulu. I did not know that about USS Haddock. The little things you learn on the internet from other squids.
@@trollman591 thank you for your service
I am a chemical engineer with experience with high pressure gases and Liquids. In my opinion, your video is excellent. Thank you.
At these kind of pressures, it doesn't matter if it is a gas or a liquid, the end result is always the same. With gas and liquid leaks, it's a sharper and fast cut than any obsidion scalpel.
As an ex-submarine medic, your video is the most comprehensive explanation of all factors involved regarding this tragedy. Thank you for taking the time to break it all down so calmly and factually. Now I can just refer friends to your video when they ask me; saves me having to continually explain it. 😊
Asking you about others why they are so anti-knowledge against bringing up science or words that might be interesting . If you notice we live in a now very anti society when it comes to books and etc ..
@@joemeyers4131 I'm sorry, I have no idea what you're trying to say.
@@konservation6205 people in these comments get offended by words used like 'toothpaste' in the video and in my observation is what causes them or society to become so bland or boring in being anti-knowledge. I'm 59 and to me previous ways of freely discussing or expressing words of knowledge were much better since it was welcome .. People need to leave their house or place to see what can lie along roads ..animal killed by a car , etc . Walk thru a deep forest for hours . To see some cringing things to see is what makes things up around us ..
@@joemeyers4131 ah, now I understand what you're saying, and I agree.
AOWD diver here, Safe dives buddy
I've seen death happen far too slowly many times [I'm an RN]. Even though this death seems scary and horrible, the speed at which they passed is a huge blessing for the victims and their families.
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@july3410 If they knew and were terrified, then that is horrible and NOT a "good thing".
@july3410 I hear you like the thief on the cross.
Why do so many nurses look so cute?
I love that you're pulling references and clips from other TH-camrs. It gives us all another jumping off point in the rabbit hole and exposes their subjects to a whole new audience. Brilliant.
I like that line, "You go from being biology to being physics" Kinda morbid but so completely accurate.
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How awfull for all on board they did not need to do this there are great dvds out there where you see titanic and sea life was rush running out of cash why was this allowed to go to sea after 18 warnings that the other passengers did not know about wendy should be questioned did her husband want to cause suicide was the company going bankrupt he seemed to be a right know it all greedy for money.
They didn’t feel or see a thing.
As a former crew member of a U.S. nuclear submarine and later as a civilian pilot of a submersible, I found your video to be one of the best I've seen in detailing the facts and physics of the Titan incident. Well done. Thumbs up headed your way. Thank you. Cheers, D.
As a former spaceman and current astronaut, I agrre.
I am surprised the SOSUS recordings haven't been released this would have been heard a thousand miles away. SSBN654G
This is amazing.
@@michaelwalters3970 I spoke about this with my brother (former sub Quartermaster) and a few other Navy buddies; why didn't SOSUS detect the implosion..? The Navy not reporting an implosion gave us a wee bit of hope; alas unfortunately, we presumed the Navy would have publicized the event...I guess it is a PR dilemma.
@@flyingfrog7847 haha
This dude is all class, these are the kind of people we need to explain a terrible incident like this. Not some clowns trying makes jokes or silly ass science experiments. Thank you Dr.
Or the main stream media
I ESPECIALLY HATE video presenters that try to make themselves sound Oh So Clever with the cracking of inane, stupid jokes or comments, revealing just how Not Oh So Clever they actually are. If you make video's, and feel the need to show off your cleverness repeatedly, I'm not going to watch. This here has none of that inane posturing, just facts and educational value. It earns my respect, and I do NOT give that out easily.
@@toddkurzbard literally nobody cares
He makes jokes via video clips throughout the entire video.
@@toddkurzbard Crushed, burned or toothpaste is exactly what you claim to hate. Make up your mind. And then shut up.
I can not over state how much you're ability to break everything down into understandable science is a gift of your vast knowledge and well articulated understanding. It is a true gift you possess.
Wow. So rare to find a catastrophic event described with such detail yet respect these days. Kudos Doctor and much respect
I really appreciate you referencing and crediting other TH-camrs. We all fear death and we want to learn from other people's mistakes. It's a morbid curiosity that is completely natural and reasonable imo.
I'm not going down in no sub...
Same, I like to know so that I can possibly prevent it.
I disagree with your statement about everyone fearing death, those of us with strong faith would disagree.
@@02markcal well, even if you don't fear death itself, you might still fear the painful process of dying, and if not that even, I'd imagine you'd want to try and postpone it as long as possible. Investigating these incidents benefit all of the above, more or less.
Those who know Jesus don't fear death! He died for our sins! And rose from the dead! He is Alive and has defeated death! So though a man shall die, he will Live!
As someone who used to be on a search and recovery team in the military, human remains can be a single tooth or part of a pinky bone. I wouldn’t be surprised if the remains found were just some bone shards or teeth.
We used to lace a dog tag through our boot laces because depending on the environment and what could happen that may be all that is left, a boot with a foot in it.
That’s so horrid 🫣
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Da*n... Thank you for your service.
That's why you're issued two dog tags, one hangs around your neck, the other goes in your boot lace.
This is another reason to thank a Veteran every chance you get! We walk around and complain about our country, but easily forget the price paid for the freedom to do so. So Thank you to any veteran that happens to read this. You are our heros.
Dr. Raynor I wanted to leave another comment. Your presentation was even more impressive than I stated before. I admire speakers that have a wide breathe of vocabulary. Your knowledge seems to be second to none. Thanks again.
I agree. Its sooooo nice to listen to a TH-cam creator who has a wide grasp of the vocabulary of their preferred language. Whether it's English, German, Russian, etc a large vocabulary is extremely important
"A smart person learns from their mistakes. A wise person learns from other people's mistakes." A lesson that has been taught time and time again throughout history; the ocean is the most unforgiving force on this planet.
The sea and aviation are the most harsh of mistresses - utterly unforgiving of even the smallest error.
@@hiturbine it's crazy how often people have to be reminded of this fact. Well said
@@cedricosborne442 Unfortuneately, many never learn from the fatal mistakes of others, thus repeat those fatal errors in judgment - and most occurrences being for reason of hubris. The only individual I feel deep remorse for is the 19-year old son who did not listen to his gut, but chose rather to please his father - on father's day. That really is heartbreaking. The other individuals were old and wise enough to know better, and particularly the French diver, who was supposedly an "expert" on the Titanic wreck. I have no sympathy at all for Stockton Rush - an arrogant, reckless, self-absorbed SOB, totally posessed by averice. I consider him to have been a textbook sociopath.
Space may be the final frontier as far as exploration goes but hell you can at least theoretically survive a few seconds out in the vacuum of space, no such luck 400+ atmospheres under the water
@@toolittletoolateYea, one could argue. But alone, not being able to see, suffocating and freezing to death is still frightening.
As a submariner, I'm all to familiar with the consequences of submerging. The moment you're under, you are constantly fighting two main things, the vessel which by nature has no right doing the things it does, and the deep, an environment more hostile than outer space. No amount of engineering or training will ever make it 'safe', but going without either is begging Davy Jones to adopt you. Hopefully, we can gain some insight from this event and use that to preserve life in the future. May they rest in peace.
I don't know about it being more hostile than outer space. But it certainly is very unforgiving.
Stupid question. Why would anyone want davvy Jones to adopt them?
@@friedpickles342 i dont know man, the idea of having davy jones as an uncle sounds pretty cool
@@friedpickles342 :
Hey, hey - he's a Monkee🎸!
THAT'S why! :D
@@smilemore1997 It is absolutely more hostile the space. You can not do EVA's in the deep.
The saddest part about this is that it could have been completely avoided. I blame the CEO for his indifference to safety.
Don't get in the sub
@@MartensFamilyHomeMovieshe sold it as safe. He cut corners and didn't certify. It was 100% entirely on the CEO
Ironicly, those are exactly the same things that doomed the Titanic
At least he put himself in the sub too. His arrogance killed other people, but fortunately it was quick and likely without warning. 😢
@@john-paulsilke893 According to the transcript that leaked (if it is real) they very much knew it was happening. The sensors were going off and they tried to drop ballast to return to the surface.
This entire video/production is a masterpiece. I work offshore hundreds of miles away from land on a drilling rig and we have ROV companies come out and do work with us all the time so I assumed I knew a good bit about this case going into. I learned so many new things from this video!
I found myself obsessing about their last moments and what they might came through. Now, based on what you said I knew that they went quickly and likely painlessly and I find knowing this quite relieving.
They spent 20 minutes in panic and terror while trying in vain to manage the crisis. Death sat with them a while before he took them. He was grateful to Stockton for the young offering.
around the time when it went missing I was thinking, that discounting them being rescued alive, an implosion would've been the "best" (least bad) outcome, because they wouldn't have known it happened. Imagine staying in complete darkness for 90hrs slowly breathing yourself to death. Unimaginable.
@@rikupveah. I thought of the Kursk disaster. Now THAT was a horrific way to go.
Yeah, they dropped their ballast and were trying to emergency surface
It was probably the equivalent of having an armed firearm pointed directly at your skull. Huge panic from knowing about to die, just to have a near-instant one.
Honestly, I could listen to him talk about anything! I love listening to a smart man talking about interesting things 💗
Do you watch true stories often? True crime too?
Interesting isn't it?
Do you watch true stories often? True crime?
……it’s always fascinating to listen to someone who’s intelligent, bc there’s a lot who aren’t………
Agreed!!!
This is exactly the information I have personally been looking for ever since this accident occurred. Specifically the crab and shark examples were particularly helpful for my general knowledge in regards to implosion accidents and the affects of such implosions on the human body.
You gave us the actual facts in clear scientific explanations, backed up with interesting data, and in a dignified way in which to protect the families of the five members who perished in this horrible man-made mistake.
@july3410
If only I could like your comment four times …
@@PartyOf8PleaseSounds like a sane comment, not at all morbid. Let's sure the world knows about all the pain and suffering, that's the ticket. Push that agenda 🤦♂️.
@july3410Let me be clearer. You don't and can't know that. It's entirely likely they knew the sub had issues, sure, but it still would implode before they'd have time to process it. You're need/want for there to have been as much knowledge of impending death and more suffering is a showing of your mind NOT reality. Go to any hospital, wait for the first child to come in after a car crash, a nice bad one as well, start telling the parent "to be clear" "you're kid suffered". You have a sickness in you.
@july3410 Jesus peace be upon him prayed to God he never ever told anyone to pray to him or that he is God. None of the prophets peace be upon them all ever said anything about a trinity or God coming down as a baby.
The shark and the crab--weren't those more suction than implosion? But I guess they proved the point that a bulky thing can quickly turn into a very skinny thing.
Great video and best explanation of the implosion. What caused the implosion: wrong materials, faulty design, no inspections and greed.
I really appreciate this simple, factual analysis of the Titan tragedy. It seems there’s a morbid contingent of people who seem to want them to have suffered in some way. The reassurance that death was instantaneous is much appreciated.
Time is relative. You know how dangerous or traumatic events seem to make time slow down and seconds seem to drag into minutes? What would seem to be instantaneous to us most likely lasted an eternity for those in the sub. They suffered far more than any of us can possibly imagine.
@@jonnieuppercut Ok Einstein, wtf are you even talking about with that relativity nonsense? Their death was instantaneous. Period. They did not "suffer" from anything except anxiety no matter what weird way you try to spin it... By your same logic we all suffer "more than any of us can possibly imagine" because we all experience anxiety and we all know we are going to die.
@@jonnieuppercut If you tap your toe and your scalp in unison, you perceive the two inputs as simultaneous, even though it takes longer for the nervous system to send the signal from your toe, all the way up through your body to the brain. On top of that, you perceive the sight of the tapping as simultaneous to the touch, even though your vision has yet another delay in reaching your conscious perception. This is possible because the human brain actually 'buffers' the inputs from our senses for about 80ms (slightly longer for taller people), in order to correctly pass them to our conscious perception simultaneously. There is an illusion called the "stopped clock", where the second hand of a clock seems to 'freeze' and then resume, if you look away quickly and then look back. Your brain 'freezes' the last stable image, ignores the 'blurry' information as your eyes sweep across the room too rapidly to provide meaningful visual information and then starts feeding the motion information again, approximately 80ms after your vision returns to rest on the clock. For any event that causes loss of consciousness in under ~80ms, the victim will have no time to form even the beginnings of an awareness of that event "They never saw it coming". To use a computer analogy, the crushing forces disconnected power from the computer 1 thousandth of a second after the implosion tried to open a new TH-cam video. The browser had barely even begun buffering the very first frame of that video, when the CPU's data stream winked out of existence. As Dr. Raynor alluded to; Although we perceive it as being 'immediate' in a very real sense, our consciousness experience of life is actually operating in what we would call "the past", as we experience life about 2-4 times the 'blink of an eye' behind what is physically happening in the reality around us.
@@jonnieuppercutYou are describing in great detail a subject you know nothing about.
Wish it was worst, no sympathy for those disregard safety or are too rich.
When the ValueJet 592 crashed into the Everglades, it was a near vertical high speed dive into about 5 ft of water and 30-40’ of muck. My friend was one of the responders and said that wreckage and remains were far more destructive than anyone could have ever imagined. Human remains were mostly no bigger than the size of a kneecap. We are fragile creatures.
Have you ever heard of the paranormal activity that occurred on other planes that they announced that they took POTUS that were expensive and not damaged in the crash and put them on other planes? The two pilots and another engineer were spotted in multiple times on any plane that parts from that flight that crashed in the Everglades were put on. It’s a really interesting story. You should look it up if you haven’t heard about it.
I will never forget that day, I was in the Army at the time and on that day I had battalion staff duty when the call came in from the Red Cross and they informed us that they needed to get a hold of my Chief and that his brother was on board that flight.
Remember it being a Saturday morning when I heard the news. It struck a cord because I was flying at least twice a week at the time. My company had a travel department and I had requested some tickets for JetBlue because they're scheduling fit my needs. My scheduler was adamant and refused to book JetBlue, under any circumstance due to safety concerns. They used old MD 80's from the former Eastern Airlines I believe.
One of the reasons why plane crashes often lead to conspiracy theories - if you've never seen a crash site before you usually just can't believe where the plane and people went - answer: they disintegrated and those engines? Oh yeah they are a long way away because they are heavy and conservation of momentum is a thing.
@@artmccartan4911 what does JetBlue have to do with ValueJet
This is the most detailed study of the tragedy I've yet seen, and the physics made graspable for a layman such as I. Cheers! Respect from Ireland.
You should see Real Engineering.
I'm very happy you spoke on this. With such a horrific incident, at least we can take solace that at least they didn't feel it happening. Thanks, Doc ❤
Out of the dozen or so TH-cam videos I've seen, that was, by far, the best and most concise explanation I've heard about what happened to the submersible and those people. Great job at combining info from different sources and making them make sense.
This was a completely professional and perfectly respectful presentation.
This is so assiduously explained, with examples for each scenario, that I stopped trying to understand what he was saying and marveled at just how he was imparting knowledge! Brilliant teaching!!!!!!!!
🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Assiduously = with due care and diligence. 🤗
DAMNED RIGHT!!!
I cannot take this.I could listen to him but it was horrible how they die .What could they say oh my god please help me iam scare .
That was excellent. Many thanks for taking the time to produce it.
Thank you for helping to clear up this confusion. I'm glad to know that not only did they not get to consciously experience the implosion itself, but that even our pain sensing process is too slow to register something so instantaneous.
@july3410 If that's true, then that's horrible. Spending 19 minutes in a compact space under water knowing you'll be dead soon - is (imo) worse than dying in a plane crash! 😮
This was one of the most comprehensive videos I've seen explaining "instantaneous" death as well as how quickly the implosion occurred and what happened to their bodies. THANK YOU
That cat you have in your arms is so adorable. I love cats 🐈 ♥
I remember a lot of backlash when people first started discussing this No one wanted to hear of the devastating effect on the bodies as it was thought to be morbid and disrespectful to families. They just wanyed to hear that it was quick and painless. Thank you for keeping it real sir
people need to know. I remember the early days of the internet they used to show all kinds of fascinating deaths. now its all heavily censored
@@blakespower i remember some of those videos.... thanks PETA
As others have stated on here thank God it was so fast and instantaneous to the point that it happened quicker than the optic nerve could process and signal movement information to the brain.
The only downside is that if the communication transcripts with the surface vessel are true they would have been painfully aware of their potential impending doom but also hopefull that the submersible was rising fast enough to escape the crushing depths.
This would have been just about as close as it is possible to get to being instantly vaporized by the flash at the epicentre of a nuclear bomb detonation. They felt absolutely nothing and there were no bodies to recover just simply 'missing in action' RIP to all souls lost.
I find it all interesting and not at all morbid.
@@blakespowerThere's still all kinds of very morbid videos, unfortunately for families of victims - fortunately for gore lovers. Whatever makes people appreciate life, however seeing people committ suicide on camera is quite shocking even to those of us that have contact with death almost every day.
Wish we had more intelligent, well spoken , educated people like this doctor on TH-cam.
Many thanks for this video.
I can definitely see the years of training in bed side manner come into play here. Your approach to the topic was professional, respectful, and informative. I can imagine this is the same way you conduct yourself around a patients loved ones.
What happened is a shame and hopefully a lesson that won’t be forgotten anytime soon.
I am glad it happened so fast. The saddest part is that young man who went along with his dad, never thinking this would be anything more than a cool adventure.
That kid didn't even want to go. He was scared, but did it for his dad.
@@nicktw586not what his mother said publicly.
I wanted to understand the process that occurs with implosion and it’s impact on the human body. You provided this information in a respectful way. It is truly sad, but a blessing they did not have time to “experience” the event in their brains. Thank you for helping make this easier for people like me to understand.
I love your comment
Yess exactly they didn't kno what was going on. That' is very scary but thank you for explaining
To be fair intuition should have given dead giveaway about this. If the radio call is anything to go by. Either way sad incident nonetheless.
This video is pure science. Thank you.
Exceptionally professional, informative and remained respectful to those lost. Well done.
Tho I’m still processing the subtle nuance between “Human toothpaste” and “Red sauce” 😮
you did a fantastic job of explaining the whole process of what happens. it's comforting to know these souls did not suffer a horrid death, and you were very respectful of those who were lost and who have lost. massive respect to you sir, we all needed to know why, and you gave us the answer. thankyou Doctor.
It's amazingly merciful, and still terrifying. Just imagining that: going about my business with no health problems or anything out of the ordinary, everything looks and soun- afterlife. No biological chance of recognizing that anything went wrong, just not alive anymore because I was in the way of physics, and now I'm at the Pearly Gates or whatever other option there is wondering what the heck happened. It's enough to make someone paranoid, yet also strangely reassuring at the same time.
THEY HAD TIME TO UNDERSTAND DEATH IS COMMING
Panic or not thats was there last moment, they knew it,
You know its the end .. and it happened they, didnt know it happened ...I would not panic as i would be so amazed by this adventure :P
@@HackanhackerAs scary as knowing something is wrong can be it's still a much better death than slowly suffocating or drowning.
At most they heard some cracking and groaning, maybe say the viewport crack and the crew become agitated.
But when the end came it was so catastrophic that they didn't know that death was truly upon them.
@@XenonPrimeSBSV Yes absolutly Idont know if I said something that was impliying i tough the reverse but I totally agree ... yes! If there was no intense panic or if they had accepted there faith nowing theres is no chance ... Not even a slight suffering can be possible ... as the brain can be a savior for intense moment ... it can make somone crazy real fast (panic). If that happened (which i dont belive it happen that much (the human race is crzy tolerable for intense event) That was the ONly suffering that occured :P And im glad it was under water XD I mean I would be ready to die (mabye not to young but it would not bother me at all to sign the paper saying i might die ... to go deep like that .. I would do that All the way (such as going in space) how can you panic its just a freaking cool experience and they didnt died for nothing they made a crazy cool adventure) ( i kinda want to go deep under water since this xD)
@@Hackanhacker ?
The greatest suffering will have occurred during those precious minutes where the crew could hear the pressure vessel failing, the inability of the sub to meaningfully move up to the surface and the people being scared witless while it was happening. Some of them at least will have had the understanding that it would not end well.
The stress of that mental suffering must have been intense in the extreme, the irony being that at the point of disaster the event happened so fast that the central nervous system did not have the time to register, let alone to process, let alone to feel pain before all on board perished.
Anyone who is still in doubt as to whether it was worth it to cut some corners to save costs: physics does not care about your wallet or your social standing.
first of all, Stay out of the water in that depths. just like space, no need to go there
@@jeff-f7g It wasnt the fact they were down too far, it was the fact that Stockton Rush simply didnt care about any kind of safety consideration at all.
There are lots of deep sea submersibles that go down to the depths with no problem.They are designed tested and certified for this purpose.
Rush was using disparate materials literally glued together and the carbon fibre was NOT designed tested or recommended for this application.
Indeed, Rush was WARNED by more than one engineer that this was going to end badly.
Furthermore, he himself had HEARD the crackling sounds on previous dives, and STILL didn't bother to get any kind of testing done.When passengers expressed concern over the noises of the carbon fibre delaminating, Rush replied "Don't worry, this carbon fibre is 5 inches thick"
The sheer arrogance on top of hubris and total lack of any concern was bound to end badly.That poor 19 yr old kid didnt even want to go, he did it cuz his Dad asked him to.
The whole thing is very sad.
@@jeff-f7g What? Yes, there is a need to go to space. Stop trying to oppress people.
I tend to doubt that they were in panic mode yet. They RTM or whatever, the hull measurement warning alarm they received is designed to go off in time for them to safely navigate their way to retreat. They knew The Prince was starting recovery systems too, according to some [unverified] transcripts. They were probably mostly disappointed that they were going to miss seeing the Titanic this trip.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver why? Man cant figure out basic manners anymore or a proper way to dress outside of their home and you think space is important for our survival?
Stuff like this is why I watch this channel. You obviously did the research, and your delivery was impeccable.
This is the most comprehensive analysis of this tragic incident. Thank you Sir. RIP the people involved and condolences to their loved ones.
Thank you for taking the time to post this video. I’ve watched nearly every video regarding the Titan Submersible (as about 10 new videos pop up every day) and I must say your video is one of the better ones that answers my specific questions.
Thank you Dr. Raynor for explaining this in a way that I ALMOST understand. I’ll watch it a few more times to glean all of what you’re saying, but I’ve watched a lot of videos and this is the ONE THING that has been glossed over in other videos… well done sir!
Literally the first thing about the Titan outside of basic news that I didn't just tune out. I appreciate a doctor's views, and the fact that you pulled from engineers and others outside your area of expertise to get a fuller picture of this tragedy. I doubted anyone suffered based on existing knowledge I learned in high school physics class, nursing school, and from learning about the Byford Dolphin disaster... But the confirmation is nice.
Also, the crab footage was trippy.
Now, that crab DID KNOW something was up! He had a couple of seconds to kinda fight. But the shark...wow! I thot that was wayyy trippier!!! 😬 He had NO CLUE what hit him! I was surprised how both were sucked in so quickly, but also, that there was no trace of them ever being there! No blood, skin, bones, anything, left in the water! I hope that doesn't happen often!!!
The source physic videos he used were good too. I watched hydraulic press videos, they're here for a reason
For future reference: one of the pictures of the ‘Byford Dolphin’ disaster in this video is actually of a damaged turbine from the Sayano-Shushenskaya power station accident in Russia. For some reason, this picture is attached to multiple Byford Dolphin related pages. Just FYI.
This video is extremely informative, tasteful, and well done. If you're looking to get educated on the science of this tragedy, this is absolutely the video to watch. Very thorough, and very respectful.
Well done, Doctor. Thank you for the detailed explanation.
Except for the word toothpaste in the title
@@petermaunsell4575 i think you misjudge the author. He is a doctor, he deals with death and mutilation every day, he is just describing in ways people can relate too.
@@Around_blax_dont_relax no he wasn't. It was clickbait drama bs. It was the opposite of respectful
The pressure was the thing that many don't really comprehend, and the weight of that water. Think water jet cutter. One second you have a solid piece of metal, and the next anything in the way of the water is gone.
They never stood a chance once they were finally in the water.
That sub was a death trap.
There are times and places that you can survive being cheap, and taking budget options over the best options for the situation.
Venturing into the depths of the Ocean isn't one of them.
God speed Titan crew.
I thought about the water jet cutter. The stream is supersonic.
that sub I would say was a true death trap,
any thing goes wrong it's death..
the ship on top has absolutely nothing to latch onto it to pull it back up with a submersible , personally I think any deep dive sub should have a tethered remote submersible right next to it at all times to be able to connect a cable and pull it up immediately
how hard is to imagine that a cube of water 10cmx10cmx3500m weighs 3500 kg
The weight of the water on 1 sqm of hull is basically the weight of 1 sqm of the entire ocean above them. That's 4000 tonnes. Per square meter.
Or, 0.1 elephants per fingertip. Touch the hull with all 10 of your fingers - just the tips - that amount of hull is supporting 1 elephant's weight.
The concept is similar but a water jet is still worse. In this scenario you are talking about getting hit with an abrasive filled wall of water and debris at about 6k psi give or take. A water jet is a precision beam of abrasive water in the 50k-80K+ range targeted at a very tiny target usually a small fraction of an inch. Don't get me wrong the end result is still dead human sauce but one is localized and one is literally your entire world coming down on you
I just love the concise way you explained this. Thank you. I appreciate your consideration of the family as well.
You’re welcome! I try to be respectful.
Thank you Dr. Chris for explaining this in detail. It gives me a newfound respect for the ocean, physics and the people dedicated to building safe and strong vessels.
He missed an important detail. Inside the carbon fibre tube was a titanium tube. The carbon fibre fragments moving with the water pressure speed wouldn't contact the occupants like he says but move against the thick titanium tube with the water pressure flattening it like a pancake.
Actually the vessel would be completely ok, if it was round like a ball.
Nothing wrong with the submarine, they just made it into a dangerous shape...
Thank you for explaining this to those of us who are not highly educated in physics. You explained this really well & I found it both interesting & fascinating. Obviously, I mean no disrespect to the unfortunate victims of this horrendous catastrophe.
As an amateur wreck diver, the doctor's explanations hit home. Respectful . Thank you. Peace to them all.
The only silver lining in all of this is that while I am sure it was terrifying leading up to the implosion, there was no pain or suffering. My deepest condolences to the family of the victims, and may they (the victims) rest in peace.
That is if they had any clue the sub was about to have a meltdown.
@@IAmNotAFunguy reports tend to indicate that they knew that a catastrophic failure was going to happen but at the moment we do not know for sure.
Hopefully they did not realize.
Regardless, may they rest in peace. Except for Stockton Rush for being so grossly negligent and full of hubris.
Deepest lol too soon..
@@ludonymous526Contrary to what Rush may have thought, money does NOT make anyone smarter.
Thank you for your excellent documentary
I spent several years serving aboard military submarines and this is the single best explanation I’ve seen of what happens during a deep sea implosion. Apparently, the US Navy knew what it was talking about because this video agrees with everything I was taught as a submariner.
I mean, it makes sense. If anybody wants to know what happens when a submarine stops doing its job, it's the Navy.
Nicely done doctor. This discussion was and should have been about science, pure and simple. You included thoughtful and compassionate words but ultimately you did a service to those seeking knowledge. Thank you.
Good description of what probably happened. Although the poor souls may have not felt anything from the implosion itself, I have seen evidence that they had tried to resurface. From the time they tried to resurface because of loud noises and the actual implosion, it was around 20 minutes. That is a long time to have to contemplate what will happen.
Yes, 20 minutes stuck kilometers under the water feeling there is something wrong with your ship must be terrifying 😢
@@barbaralachance5836no kidding dude.... this is the first time I heard anything about this... 20 minutes must have felt like 20 years...
I guess you are talking about the leaked coms transcript between mothership and titan. Yeah read that
They heard creaking noises and worse, and the system for monitoring the carbon fibre was throwing up red lights. They sat in a tube for a good 20 minutes knowing they were fucked, all the while that Stockton twat was probably downplaying things like it was fine.
The loss of the USS Thresher and Scorpion must have followed a similar timeline. Both were nuclear subs that had some kind of mechanical or electrical failure at depth. Both descended slowly over a few minutes until they went past crush depth and imploded.
Thank you for posting this! You explained what happened very well and respectfully.
I'm glad it was explained this way. I'm sorry they all lost their lives but I'm glad they weren't aware of what was about to happen and extremely thankful they didn't feel it. My thoughts and prayers are with their loved ones
Systems were failing in the sub. The passengers were aware of those system failures. So they had a pretty good idea the sub was gonna implode at some point. Their level of fear and panic was probably staggering to even imagine. They were not just casually sitting there one minute and the next they were liquid. They were most likely terrified in the last moments.
Excellent job
I am as far away from an MIT student as a cat, but I got it.! Sort of. Plus terrifyingly interesting
But they had about nineteen minutes knowing there was some kind of problem.
I'm sorry but I don't buy that whole "not feeling anything" scenario for a minute. Yes it may happen instantaneously but we all know that when something bad happens to us time slows down and there has to be some kind of initial jolt that happens before everything goes to part, and there's no telling how it happens to each individual with regards to their respective positions in the craft. Either way it's a terrible fate and doesn't give me any incentive to wanna get into a submarine.
You’re very considerate to the victims yet explained the physics involved in this senseless disaster.
Grateful they didn’t experience pain or worse float around hoping to be saved in an unfathomable rescue.
Fantastic job Dr. Raynor.
It's very considerate to suggest that the victims turned into toothpaste.
They're victims ??? Of self , similar to internet teens dying as a result to Ourageous attention seeking stunts...
@@realDanielAugustineIt's definitely not inconsiderate. It's truthful and helps people get a better picture as to what exactly happened. Relating things to other things the vast majority of the population is familiar with helps gives us a better understanding. Disrespectful would be laughing at the victims or doing a grotesque reenactment of their deaths.
@@englishatheart That's definitely your opinion.
And are you really trying to say that some people didn't laugh at the title?
@englishatheart My question is, what happened to their souls? I can't believe that they were so gullible to believe this experiment. My condolences to the families.
Thank you for putting a number of minds at ease. The sub passengers were instaneously dead and did not suffer. That is good to know.
Don't be too sure, there is a theory that they knew they were in trouble for nearly 20 minutes and tried to ascend after hearing cracking sounds and having alerts go off that the hull was failing.
But at least they didn't "perceive" what happened to them, they were out without pain
they did suffer. they heard cracks on the hull. it lasted 19 minutes. Imagine being in a falling airplan. for 19 minutes.
@@RevolutionarySoul1923 , for 20 minutes they knew what was coming at them. no amount of consolation will change that they suffered an enourmous ordeal. RIP, toothpastes.
@hydrohasspoken6227 actually that's already been debunked by another engineer. The device used to alert them wouldn't have started alerting until the hull had already failed, it wasn't even the appropriate sensor
As an ex submarine sailor, i can say this is an IMMEDIATE blink out of existence.
No pain, not even a realization of what was happening. They literally just blinked out of existence.
I literally spent a week trying to find a video that answered what happens to the human body in these circumstances. Thank you so much.
Well you could look up the Byford Dolphin incident.... but I personally warn you not to you won't unsee it.
Thank you for this. This was the clearest explanation I've heard regarding how pressure can affect the human body.
Makes me feel a whole lot better knowing they didn't suffer and that this was instant. Thank you for explaining it so well. Thank you for the video. It was informative.
The only suffering they faced was knowing they weren't coming back. The panic and horrifying thoughts of you inevitable end and that there's nothing you can do about it. That's worse.
There’s some possible record of messages that was leaked. Timing lines up on it. They had system failures and heard sounds that shouldn’t have happened prior to them losing connection completely and the implosion. If it’s real, they knew they were in imminent danger for about 15 minutes before it.
Yes. This horrible tragedy. The good doctor explained with science and sensitivity better than anyone re the Titan submersible, that these passengers did not suffer and indeed had no time anatomically to even process the instant doom. Miraculously and through science , these innocents were spared the inevitable. God rest them in peace forever.
"Innocents" only one innocent person was on that sub, the rest knew what they were getting into and one could have been put under a jail for the level of reckless endangerment and crude ignorance he displayed. Fuck these people besides the kid who was forced to go.
Considering how there's no such thing as a good billionaire, I fail to see this as a tragedy. You go poke around in a grave (for fun as a tourist) and you get what you deserve.
Dr Raynor you really have a way of presenting facts in a sequence that makes a complex situation and makes it where an amateur, like myself, can understand what took place. Well done! I’ll be subscribing and checking on your work more in the future. Cheers!
It was truly horrifying. And the worst bit is, they knew about 1/2 an hour from the implosion that something was wrong. There were alarms going off & they were asking the mother ship to help them to fix the problem. So. Very sadly they did know something was wrong. They just didn’t feel it when that ‘something’ became a catastrophic event.
Watch the Hulu documentary just released called journey to the titanic truth and lies, bet you’ll lose that sympathy. Stockton caused it all. I only feel sympathetic for the teenager
That transcript is said to be fake
Mary, I don't know if they had any knowledge of the failure. Perhaps they were returning, but I think it just as likely the drop weights were lost in the implosion.
@@Slicy69 No one felt sympathy for stockton in the first place. But the others didnt deserve to die.
@@Kizzabell Unconfirmed, not fake.
I feel better knowing I’m not the only one who wondered this. I just didn’t fully understand what happens to a human body in an implosion, especially since there were no remains.
there are remains in the capsule as announced within last few days
"Remains were found", not intact
Well, maybe a few little chunks of…burger and bone chips at most.
Great video! Thanks, doc. As horrific as the incident was, it's good to know they didn't suffer.
Exactly
Yeah, except for the few minutes preceding the implosion where they knew they were in trouble.
@@hughgray4199 I doubt they knew even seconds prior, they all thought they would be able to resurface before such a calamity would occur.
i think they suffered terribly. for 19 minutes, awaiting a watery death. mind you 2 of them were billionaires, so they must have been awful people. so fuck em.
@@LilyAmongThorns Unfortunately the alleged transcript of the Titan sub has been leaked and it shows that they were having issues a few minutes before the surface lost contact entirely. Jeff Ostroff has a video on it that breaks it down pretty well imo
This answered all my questions- and I actually learned so much!! This guy is truly a gifted teacher ❤🙌🏻
I loved the part at 18:16. To add to this, (if I recall correctly) it takes even longer to even dedicate experiences to memory. So even if a person can sense a quick death in that time, they won't even know what happened. I barely survived being hit by a car and don't remember even stepping into the street before the impact. Just one moment on the sidewalk, then foggy memories from the hospital.
That must have been terrifying. I hope your recovery went well! 😢
I've had a similar experience. I know riding my bike down a sloped hill and that a car drove in my way from the right, but I don't recall hitting it, flying several feet through the air, landing on the asphalt, or even being loaded into the ambulance afterward. I was simply knocked out cold and woke up in the hospital. Miraculously, I walked out with only some minor injuries and a slight concussion.
I think this is perhaps also partly to do with shock and every individual is different.
I was 10 and got hit by a car and can recall every moment - even what was said immediately afterwards. I'm now 42. But I am also hard to make jump, and I am also a bit of an adrenaline seeker too (I ride motorcycles and enjoy the high speed, acceleration and sometimes near misses they make me feel "alive")
I think everyone's brain is different in how memories are made. I think perhaps people who can for example deal with boredom better would perhaps not record memories the same as me. What panicks me may not panick someone else and vice versa. Emotions and the chemicals they release play a huge part in memory creation I think.
@@TheSd1ckoYou just weren't knocked unconscious dummy, you're not special. Hahahaha. That's why you remember everything, you were still awake 😂😂😂
Just about the only thing they probably sensed was that they were going to die. Any number of events could have happened, they might have lost power and couldn’t see anything. The SMS transcripts is also heavily criticized.
This Doctor is brilliant. You Sir are an asset to humanity. Thank you for the amazingly descriptive explanation!
This is extremely well-reasoned and well-described. Probably the best video on the phenomenon that I've seen so far. Well done on referencing the Byford Dolphin incident and explaining the differences between the two.
Liked and subscribed.
Agree. For future reference: one of the pictures of the ‘Byford Dolphin’ disaster in this video is actually of a damaged turbine from the Sayano-Shushenskaya power station accident in Russia. For some reason, this picture is attached to multiple Byford Dolphin related pages.
First time on this channel and I'm impressed but quality, using proper sources and clear explanations. Thanks!
Welcome!
Thank you Dr. Chris! This is the first best scientific explanation of the titan disaster that I have heard. And you did it with compassion.
This is the best most thorough scientific breakdown I’ve seen so far of what happened to the Titan sub occupants and what they likely experienced. Well done Dr.! 👍
I'm a certified Scuba Diver and I've been 100 ft under water, and you can feel the water pressure even at 10 ft, you start getting what's called sinus squeeze, so I couldn't imagine that kind of pressure on the human body, especially when it imploded, they were dead before they even knew what happened. Not only do you get the destruction of the implosion, you also get the outward explosion after the implosion, that's why you see the wreckage spread out, they turned into liquid soup before they knew what happened.....so sad, because he should have listened to what people were telling him, but now he don't have to worry about it I guess.
And the one son aboard didn't want to go.
@@vashon100 That's the real tragedy. Rush was a moron, but that kid should still be alive.
Yup, I’ve been at the bottom of a 10 ft section of a pool. You definitely start to feel the pressure.
What does your body feel like when you hit that 100 ft? And does your brain/body kinda adjust to it after a certain amount of time?
I love all of this information . The best one I saw before this was two bit DaVinci . The only sad but true fact of at least some sort of comfort was that their passing was literally instantaneous . 🙏's
First time viewer, thank you for all the information that would take myself hrs on end to fully understand and research. Proud new subscriber! Keep up this amazing work and content please!
I think the fact that there were multiple different possible modes of failure for this, to the point where we are not quite sure which one, just indicates how many risks they were stacking up at once.
Mmm, but this is true of any complex method of transportation. Hence why when a plane crashes we don't assume the cause until a very very thorough investigation, because there are so many possible causes for any specific wreck that it's hard to tell without a LOT of data. Looking at a plane crash or train wreck alone rarely tells you what caused it. This isn't unique to this situation.
@@tonymorris4335 I think that's a different situation subtly; in this case there were multiple egregious safety violations which any number of them could have contributed to or directly caused this disaster.
With any transport accident, you have to also start with the assumption that anything and everything failed, and prove yourself wrong for each thing until the remaining possibilities can't be ruled out.
But in most transport disaster investigations, there's usually no one clear place to start. The reason they have to think of all the possibilities is just because usually there's no obvious clear reason.
But in the case of the Titan Sub, there's like at least four different potential things that independently could have brought this down, and all are good starting points. With a plane crash, there's layers of safety, and disasters happen as a result of a lot of holes in those layers of safety.
In this case, any safety was really an illusion, and there were multiple giant safety gaps inherent in the system, which could all independently have caused this outcome.
There is a difference between"car accidents can have many causes" and "Wow, this guy was driving a car with only one lug nut per wheel, and no windshield! I wonder what could have happened?"@@tonymorris4335
@@JoshuaTootell and then finding out later it was just because the driver was drunk. You can't tell what caused the failure because they all always have many possibilities.
I'm not arguing that this is different in terms of the risk levels but the simple idea that why it failed isn't immediately obvious is not unique to high risk activity.
This was a very thorough video. I was one a Chemistry major and enjoyed the scientific approach. I'm glad they didn't suffer! Such a tragic and sudden loss. You have a new subscriber!
They suffered because they knew they were descending too fast and could not stop the descent.
I would like to see the video.
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This was absolute perfection. Beyond informative and yet, not that you'd want to, explained it so well, that even an 8 year old could understand it. I absolutely loved it.
I mean some people don’t find it that interesting this is … really fascinating to me , not something to watch or think about when your feeling anxious at 2 am though aw man …… u ever get that thought that’s (to be fair like 2 milliseconds) , where you feel like your on the sub or in pitch black 3 thousand metres down RAHHHH 😅 TOOTHPASTE F that shid
the numbers are far off. it was far hotter than he said it was.
Great to have someone break the information down for those of us who are not scientists. And my heartfelt warmth to the families of those lost at sea.
Your video brings a forgiving sense of comfort surrounding the final moments of the guys experience in the submersible. Its good to know that it happened way too quick for them to have registered the pain. Thank you for shedding the light on this tumultuous and sad ending of life.
They knew death was coming for about 19 minutes
I’ve never seen this channel before, but I’m glad I found it. Being interested in physics and having studied the science involved in hydrodynamics and hydrostatic pressure, I think the doctor gives the best, most accurate explanation I’ve yet seen of the events that transpired during the recent implosion of the Titanic submersible. It’s unfortunate that people lost their lives in this ill-fated endeavor, but I think it’s a good thing that so many are interested and are trying to learn about the physical phenomenon that occurred.
those clips demonstrating Differential Pressure on the crab and shark, are horrifying and really demonstrate the grim fate of what happened.
Excellent informative presentation Dr. Raynor! Thank You sir! I am comforted in knowing it was quick and they did not suffer.
I was a submariner in the Navy, and that submersible was a death-trap just from looking at it. They went quick, but they knew it. Great way of explaining it - reminds me of sub school.
There was an analysis that they might be in around 10-15 minutes of panicking calmly just before it completely imploded.. really horrifying to imagine...
They werent even ON the sub when it descended. This was a disappearance.
@@between2guitars331😂😂😂
@@mikeinjapan2004how can one panicked calmly 😮
@@between2guitars331 uh ..They were most certainly inside the sub lol …your correct as far as they were not on it …they were INSIDE it ….sooooo …not real sure what you are trying to say lol
This is the best video to explain 1) what happened to the vessel, 2) what it may have looked like, 3) what happened to the passengers, and 4) why we can rest easy with the near certainty that they did not suffer. New subscribed. Thanks doc!
Comprehending what that implosion would be like is truly mind boggling 😮
Not really. I head about this 2days into it happening saw a pic of the fucking machine and forgot about it because i knew them fucks were dead. And the navy saying its wrecked a week after they knew. They got top notch aquaaudio gear. This whole thing was a farce.
IN other words they ( passengers) did not realize what was happening , that is not acceptable and should not happen again
@@Cazador60140 Why not ?
I think mind scrambling might be a better phrasing.
Extremely informative, factucial, and most importantly, respectful. Great video, Sir!
Stockton was definitely a spoiled brat with way too much confidence in himself... I've known a lot of people that had high degrees that were a total baffoons ...
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@@dissimulii this comment cannot simply be unseen xD
True, but even people without degrees can have that same trait, or traits!!!!! He made unwise decisions, so he did not have good reasoning!!!!!
@@dissimulii RUSHING TO BE STUCK ON?
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