Celestion Creamback G12M65 VS WGS Invader 50, ET65, Reaper HP and G12H30
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- I was interested in buying the Warehouse Guitar Speaker (WGS) Invader 50, but found that there were very few reviews or sound clips of this speaker available online. So, I decided to post one, after I bought the speaker. The sound clips were all recorded on a Boss BR 1600, with a little reverb added to all tracks, post recording. I used a Telecaster, with a Duncan 59 (Alnico 2) in the bridge, and DiMarzio Area T Neck pickup. The Amp is a JCA 22H Head, with the matching JCA12S+ cabinet - semi-open back. Mic was a Shure SM57. EQ and Volume setting on the amp are the same for all speakers. Sound clip volume levels were normalized for consistent levels in the video. The first 3 audio clips for each speaker are using the bridge pickup. 4th and 5th sound clips are bridge + neck, and final audio clip is bridge. Pictures are stock pictures and not the actual speaker used for recording.
Sorry for the lack of clean or high gain clips.
Let me know which one you like best. - เพลง
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This is how every speaker comparison video should be done! That was awesome! Thank you!
Invader 50 was my favorite here!!!
Yes!! And im a big reaper fan. Which came in a close second. Dammit! I need an invader.
Invader 50 had that rough around the edges tone that I really like(d).
Me Too!
Same
0:15 Warehouse Invader 50
0:32 Celestion G12M65
0:49 Warehouse ET65
1:06 Warehouse Reaper HP
1:23 Celestion G12H30
1:38 Warehouse Invader 50
1:44 Celestion G12M65
1:50 Warehouse ET65
1:56 Warehouse Reaper HP
2:01 Celestion G12H30
2:12 Warehouse Invader 50
2:20 Celestion G12M65
2:28 Warehouse ET65
2:35 Warehouse Reaper HP
2:43 Celestion G12H30
2:55 Warehouse Invader 50
3:01 Celestion G12M65
3:06 Warehouse ET65
3:12 Warehouse Reaper HP
3:17 Celestion G12H30
3:26 Warehouse Invader 50
3:36 Celestion G12M65
3:45 Warehouse ET65
3:55 Warehouse Reaper HP
4:05 Celestion G12H30
4:16 Warehouse Invader 50
4:23 Celestion G12M65
4:29 Warehouse ET65
4:34 Warehouse Reaper HP
4:41 Celestion G12H30
Man you need more likes for all that work.Thanks,was helpful.
Warehouse Invader 50 gets the nod! 🎸
Great video. I was looking for a comparison of Celestion and WGS without someone interrupting and talking. This was very helpful. Thank you!
Great demo! Definitely one of the best I've heard on TH-cam. Most on here are detuned metal stuff. Hard too tell what the speakers really sound like. Please keep them coming!
Thank you!
I like the Invader 50 & ET65. Both have a nice thick sound.
Nice demo. Thanks for the quick transitions. The Invader 50 sounded best to me.
Exactly what I was looking for - a good comparison of the Invader 50, which I’ve also been looking at. It’s definitely my favorite of the bunch. The G12H30 sounds fairly similar, but the Invader 50 has a bit more low mids which is nice. Thanks for the great work!
I'am playing the WGS Invader already for some years. For me it's the best speaker for All classic style's like blues, Rock, Soul. Love them in my 2x12 Cabinet!
Great job! You put a lot of work into this and help me out a lot. Thank you!
I ended up ordering an invader-50, killer sound. Thanks for the video mate, cheers
This is a very well done comparison vid! You can really hear the differences in the speakers. Thank you for using riffs that we are all familiar with as well, I found that to be helpful. It's strange how I liked some speakers on some riffs but not on others. I also thought the speakers had less low end than I have experienced, but that is likely because I use closed back cabs. Overall I liked the Invader 50 the most. Thanks for putting in the effort on this!
Again, I’m liking the Invader - think I’ll grab one up! Thanks and nice job on the demo \m/
The Invader is a great speaker. Sounds Very close to a 1970 Greenback- way closer than the Greenback that Celestion makes today. In fact, the Green Beret sounds closer than today’s Greenback.
I have the ET-65s and Invaders in an X pattern in my Marshall 412. For a Marshall-style amp, it’s a great mix!!!
Was thinking of doing this with my Marshall Origin 2x12.
That Invader sounded really good across the board.
Great comparison. I’ve been watching this video for years😁😁 . You know once in a while watch it again… Very nicely done. I’ve tried all those speakers and currently use four of them in my studio every day. I have two Laney 212 birch cabs; the close back blue ones from the Lionheart series. One of them has a Reaper Hp and an Invader and the other an Et65 and Invader. Either of them can do from fenderish cleans to metal and everything in between beautifully. I went thru all Wgs lineup and a few celestions including V30’s and G12H aniversary. Anong all celestions I tried I kept the Creamback G12H which is very similar tonewise to the Invader. I’ve learned that some speakers just require different amp sittings. I say this because I love the et65 and et90 which I also own but for some reasons, maybe eq, maybe the cab, it didn’t sound very good to me on this comparison. All other speakers in the video sound to me as I expect according to my experience. Well, thank you.
Invader 50 was definitely spot on w/ Zeppelin/Heartbreaker, and surprisingly good, real good w/ all other sounds/riffs. I've always loved Celestion, especially the CREAMback's, INVADER 50 has me thinking though.
It sounds closest to the studio tone for heartbreker but pages tone live was different every tour and every one of those speakers represents his live tone at different points.
I would have liked to have heard he 30 watt reaper 75 hz and the reaper 55 hz as they are closer in spec to the speakers page was using. His cabs had the G12H30 55hz Speakers so the Reaper 55hz and the celestion 55hz H30 heritage would be cool to compare to see how close they get pages live tone at various points . Page had his bass turned down quite low so to 75 hz G1230 can work quite well for live page tone . The G12H30 anniversary works well for post zeppelin page but doesn't do his vintage tone as well as the heritage 75 hz H30. Those speakers have the same specs but use different materials and are Eqd different . I have all 3 celestion G13H30 variants the 55hz and 75hz heritage H30s and the anniversary
The invader and the Reaper remind me of Pages brighter cleaner live town from 73 and 75 while rhe creanback M65 and the ET65 remind me more of his fatter warmer and more mud range heavy live tone from 70 and 71.
Creambacks and v30 sound fantastic in a 4×12 blended.
Best speaker demo on YT.
Invader 50 was great. Suprised how muffled the Creamback and ET65 were. Reaper brighter but good. G12H also excellent!
In order:
Would buy Invader 50, then G12H, then Reaper
Would not buy Creamback or ET65
Finally.... :-) I have also done comparison WGS Retro with 2 celestion speakers, but this is so much better... thank you
Thank you!
Wery well done! The Invader is my favourite of the bunch.
I was surprised at the Reaper. The clarity was spot on and very bright. But the G12H, wow.
Got the invader myself in my Plexi styled amp. Rocks the shit out of it
Invader 50 sounds great in all examples! Creamback is sweet too but may not cut through in a band mix.
Great comparison.. I was shocked by how poor the cream back and et65 sounded.. must be the semi open back.. those others need closed back to limit the air push perhaps.. I am looking to replace the scorpion in my old peavey bandit 65 also with semi open back.. I am loving the I vader 50 for that.. thanks again
All the WGS speakers sound fuller with more overall frequencies to my ear.
yeah! I have the same feelings..
Yes. I love the WGS speakers. For the tone I was going for in this test, I preferred the Invader 50 and Celestion G12H30,. The Reaper HP doesn’t break up as early as the G12H30, but I’d be willing to bet that the regular Reaper would sound as good if not better. The HP and G12H sounded so close here.
Great demo! I have all these speakers and preferred the Invader, followed by the G12H anniversary, then Reaper. I was surprised because I really like the ET-65 in my own cabs, especially paired with a WGS Retro 30 (60W). I think the cab makes a big difference too. Well done!
Hey Pete what do you think is the best wgs speaker to pair with the reaper? Have you also tried a veteran ? I have a 2x12 with a reaper and a retro but I don’t think this combination is ideal so I’d like to hear what you think.
@@dattoboy1 I would recommend the Green Beret or Invader. I have also done Vet 30 and Reaper. A lot of people like the latter. It was a little too harsh for me, but may be good for high gain. For more classic rock, I'd go with Reaper + Green Beret. Check out Leon Todd's video on that combination.
@@GernBlanston how recomend the Invader and the Reaper hp in one combo?
Overall, I’m not a big fan of mixing speakers, but there are some nice combinations that do work. I’ve never mixed the Invader with a Reaper HP, but that may not be a bad combination, as the Reaper HP will add a little more low end and top end where the Invader may lack a bit. All you can do is try.
I have a cab with reaper and invader and love it. Also have a cab with et65 and invader andlove it even more.😁😁 (Laney 212 lion heart series blue birch close back cabs)
Excellent comparison!! Was looking for a speaker to replace the a-type in my Hot Rod Deluxe IV. Sounds like the Reaper HP is the way to go.
The Reaper and ET 65 would both be good choices for a Hot Rod Deluxe. It just depends on what type of music you play.
My favorites were the Invader, the 65 Creamback, and the G12H-30
This video helped me rule *out* the ET65 -- it seems boxy and a little too much scooping of maybe "low-mids". The Invader and G12M65 both sounded spectacular in different ways from one another. The Reaper HP I don't like, a little too bright/harsh. The G12H30 was just fine, though not really having the kind of tonal "mojo" that the first two speakers had. Thanks for the shootout.
To me, the ET65 has it's place. I think it sounds spectacular when paired with a plexi style amp and playing edge of breakup AC/DC type tones.
Funny that some find the ET65 muddy here. I listen through Beyedynamic 770s and the ET65 and the G12H30 are the only ones that really track the chord changes meticulously in the presence range. Again I'm reminded why I'm just nuts about WGS, btw: Invaders in my lead cab, Liberators in my rhythm cab.
Thanks so much for this video. I have a Jet City JCA22H head as well, an interesting enough, I run it at similar settings, if the pic you posted is accurate. Well ballpark at least. For me, that amp has way too much high end treble on the Crunch Channel. I have used a Creamback to help tame it and that seems to work. I have tried an Invader 50 and Greenback, but they don't cut the treble enough. Your Invader 50 sounds much like mine. Your Creamback sounds much like mine. I did not care for the G12H30, but the Reaper surprised me, other than the Creamback and the ET65, it would be the only speaker I would pair with this amp. It had a very interesting sound going on, but for me it didn't quell the high end enough or push the mids strong enough.
After listening about 10 times over, lol, I would pick the ET65 first with the Creamback as a close second. But that is with the knowledge of what this amp sounds like in real life, and how the Creamback and Invader deviate in the Video (these always sound a little different than in real life), and also what I am shooting for sound wise. (Personal taste).
Again, awesome comparison, thanks so much :)
I agree. I really do like this amp but, you need to pair it with the right guitar and speaker. I found that it really sounds phenomenal in an Avatar 212 closed back vintage (blues breaker style) cab, with G12 H30’s or Reaper HPs... particularly with a Tele. I’ve also found it’s a little brighter at 16ohms that at 8 ohms. What was interesting to me was that I actually had to up the presence and treble a tad for this recording, as my usual settings just sounded too dark, when mix’s. Maybe it was just my mic placement?? I agree, though. Some kind of mod to smooth out the treble EQ would really make this amp kick some serious butt!
The Invader sounded the best to me followed by the Creamback. I liked the Reaper HP too, but its pretty bright. I think mixing the Reaper HP with the Invader would sound pretty good.
I have an Invader 50 Paired with an ET65 in an EVH 2x12 cab that rocks
Invader is already a hybrid between a Vintage 30 and a pre-rola Greenback.
Combining it with the Reaper HP can Mae it too aggressive in the upper mids and highs. Reaper HP is more or less like a higher powered clone of the G12H Anniversary.
I just bought an Invader to go with the Reaper HP in my Mesa 2x12. Holy shit great combination, I had a Vet 30 in there seemed a little dull. It was ok but Invader/Reaper HP is way livelier and punchy more range of tones top to bottom.
Just what i wanted to hear.
I watched this video looking for a partner speaker for my Reaper HP as well. WGS recommended the ET65 however I'm thinking the Invader after hearing this video and reading your comment.👍
I liked the invader 50 and cream back the best. Funny how the wgs 65 sounds so muddy here as doesnt sound like that in other videos it sounds awesome.
Yes. The WGS ET 65 is an awesome speaker, for the right application. As a matter of fact, I have the ET 65 in this cabinet now. Sounds fantastic with the Marshall Origin head. It sounds amazing for AC/DC, and old school 80’s metal. It all depends on the amp, cabinet, guitar and EQ settings.
They all sounded good but I like the invader the best
Creamback smoother, sometimes a touch mushy? ET65 articulate, clear. Mids weren’t as pleasing, but seemed like it would cut?
Different cab designs can improve on either speaker. I've own many Celestions and WGS. One thing becomes signature after enough demos, Celestions don't have a punchy low end, WGS does. Hit your low E and hear it. Celestions do have a smoother high end, nice beautiful tone, WGS mid to top end has a little more edge, more pronounced, but still smooth enough. IMO.
The Invader sounds VERY good, but so did the Creamback. The Heritage was a close second, while the ET65 needs to go back to the drawing board in my opinion. For the price and the fact that I have family from Kentucky, I'd chose the Invader over the other three.
It’s always tough to be objective because what would be called a dark speaker in the m 65 creamback, here compared to the invader it sounds bright. I like the invader here yet that means in real life it would be even darker than the creamback . I guess the real call is what cuts well in a mix and sounds clear. Brighter always cuts but I rather have a warm speaker that cuts. Iv been lookin into the creamback but what I want is a warmer amp that doesn’t have that sizzle distortion it’s kinda hard to say. From videos I feel alnico speakers tend to have less of that sizzle fizz distortion to them. But in general alnico speakers tend to be spiked from what Iv heard so I have no idea . I think I’m just gonna angle cabs away from myself and the crowd, maybe just facing the ceiling and let the sound disperse that way no ones ears have to get shred to pieces by high end sizzle when standing in the “sweet” spot of the amp
What I really like about the Invader is that it doesn't have all the top end fizz or presence that most other speakers have. I would say the same about the G12H30 and Reaper HP. They are bright speakers, but they do not have a ton of presence, unless you crank the gain. Overall, I would describe the Invader as a cross between a Greenback and a well broken in Vintage30. Many say that it is comparable to the Celestion Lynchback.
G12H In this setup. I have about a dozen speakers I have demo's for people. Most have enjoyed the creamback 75 most. The jensen jet falcons have also done really well (opinions) over the most number of amps. Usually I find the amp head dictates a lot of what speakers can match with it. Even if you had the perfect speaker for one head, it can sound terrible in another.
Want to really change your tone, change to a 15 inch speaker. The sound is a lot more complex. I have an EMi 1518 that just has so much detail yet crunches up like none of my 12, or 10s.
Yes, the Emi 1518 is a fantastic speaker.
I am listening through headphones and prefer the Invader although throung my amp it could sound WAY different. I am looking to change out a 15" in a Peavey Delta Blues 30 watt amp. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks a lot!
Jeez, tough for this setting. I have to tame brightness in this new cab i got so it seems the et65 would be a good speaker for that, eh?
Isn't Reaper HP supposed to be a warm sounding high wattage take on the G12H30?
Why does it sound more or less similar to the G12H Anniversary which is the brightest G12H type speaker made by Celestion?
The only difference I hear between them is that the Reaper HP sounds cleaner in the low end and exhibits less break-up, but that might be because of the greater headroom offered by its higher power handling.
In clean samples they sound indistinguishable from each other because in case of cleans neither exhibit any break-up..
Is this done with a s/w Cab simulator ?
Invader was the best here, I think. The Celestions were disappointing, but the ET65 and Reaper were my least favorite, EXCEPT for the clean riff (second to the last), where they actually sounded better, I thought. This video was very helpful as I'm thinking of pairing a Creamback 65 and an Invader 50 in a 1936 style cab. After this video, I think that pairing would work well! Any thoughts on that?
All are great speakers but, they depend on the cabinet and type of music you are playing. I suspect that the Invader and Creamback 65 might compliment each other very well. In a 1936, I would think they would be perfect 80's rock/metal. I have 2 invaders in an oversized 212 (Marshall Bluesbreaker style) closed back, and they sound amazing - everything from classic rock to AC/DC and 80's metal. Maybe I'll throw a Creamback in place of one of the Invaders and give it a shot too!
Wondering if anyone mixed the Invaders 50 with Creamback 65 yet. I have 4x12 with C65 and looking to mix to help remove some mud from the the high gain channels.
Liked the Invader 50 the best. Was that the 8 ohm version? That is what is listed on the picture of the speaker, but was not sure that was the actual speaker used in the comparison test.
All were 16 ohm speakers.
They actually sound so close....one could make the same adjustment with an eq
WHAT does the So & so Hz, aka 75hz Bass responce.............can that rating be used to tell how much bass a speaker can handle?? I want a speaker like this but one that can handle some bass put to it, like the Swampthang for example. but..... what should I look for for higher bass handling capabilities? like 80hz bass responce? or even 100hz bass responce?
I get the idea of wanting a lot of bass, especially if you’re playing high gain metal. It just feels great to cover the full spectrum. The problem is that guitar is a mid-range instrument. If you are at a gig or recording, the sound engineer will need to pull back a lot of that bass out of the guitar in order to make room in the mix for an actual bass guitar. Otherwise, the mix will sound like crap. That said, just about any higher wattage speaker can handle a pretty substantial amount of bass.
I like smooth speakers and the Invader 50 sounds very interesting. I am not sure if it has too much bottom end though as I play closed 2x12 cabinets. Otherwise I would choose G12M65 Creamback (always loved the Greenbacks, didn't like the G12H75 Creamback) or the G12H30 Anniversary if you have a tube head with a smooth high end
I actually have 2 Invaders in an oversized, Bluesbreaker style, 2x12 cabinet, and they sound phenomenal. I’ve been wanting to try 2 ET65s in there, but the Invaders sound so good, there’s really no point.
@@GernBlanston I have a Marshall Origin 20H with Origin 2x12. I'm looking to tame the high end a little bit. I play a Tele and Jazzmaster. I've been having a hard time choosing between the Invaders and ET65's. Was considering doing one of each, what do you think? Or should I just go for two invaders? The cabinet is closed back btw.
@@GernBlanston Btw I play a lot of clean and cleanish stuff.
@@christophergarrido2802 That's a tough call and really depends on your personal preference. The 2x12 Bluesbreaker style cabinet that I mention above is what I use with my Origin 20, but I tend to play with the gain on 6, on the Origin. This gives me a classic 70's rock tone. For clean sounds and a goal of taming the high end, I might actually lean towards the ET65. Either way, you can't go wrong.
The Invaders are really bright. If using high gain they almost get fizzy with a closed mic. Out in the room they sound great. Mine is brighter than my Reaper HP. I think it would suit you well. I balance my Invader with a Celestion G12K 100 because the Invader doesn’t have enough lows for my taste. The G12K 100 doesn’t have enough highs for me so they complement each other well. I use a 6505+ mainly on the rythem channel. My favorite I have is the Reaper HP. Great with a microphone. I bought the Invader because I watched this video and later the Reaper HP. This video doesn’t capture the Reaper HP in all its glory. It is fabulous!
I think ET65 is best. Perpect balance.
the et65 is more for 80s tone sounds a bit weird on the 60s rock riffs because it has more 80s mid scoop i like this speaker
I agree, but it also sounds fantastic with mid heavy amps at low breakup/edge of breakup, like AC/DC tones. I wouldn’t use it for 60’s/70’s classic rock, unless I was using an Origin or Plexi voiced amp.
@@GernBlanston ac dc back in black tone the et65 nails it 100%
- Necromancer Candlemakers unite! -
Who gets the reference, gets it haha
The Warehouse speakers definitely held their own against the Celestion s. The G12H was the only Celestion that held up. Not really impressed by the Reaper though, sounded a little dull.
Invader 50. I have 2 of them. But after this I'm swapping one for a reaper hp
WGS are very underrated,. They sound as good as any speaker company including Scimbaxk which Poeple seem to think sound closer to pulsonic era celestion buy they don't sound any closer then modern celestion or WGS just different . They do sound great but i have heard vintage celestion modern celestion and Scumback compared back to back to back and all 3 had thier own sound and scumback were closer then the modern celestions
Invader and Reaper rulez
First one is just - Gern. Next one - Simply Gern.
The G12H30 sounds best in every test.
Invader was Impressive in all. Thought I would prefer the g12h 30w, but not really
Hello there.
I thank you very much for taking time to do these recordings.
Every WGS speaker sounds just terrible.... You probably could touch up this recording by leveling up the sound as people listening higher volumes thinking it sounds better...
Thanks again.
Actually, all clips were normalized to the same peak in volume. Not one is louder than the other. What you perceive to be "louder" is simply the different frequencies accentuated by the speakers.
for me creamback all the way Invader sounds good but celestion G12M 65 16ohm creambacks are proven by myself and many of my friends to be consistently great, although I would like to try a Invader 50 just to see how they sound in my rig and hold up to stage volumes over time.
Creamback sounded best. The ET65 sounded very 80s ACDC-ish, like a muffled Greenback.
Yup. With different EQ settings in the amp, the ET is perfect for AC/DC tones.
Yeah, the et65 reminds me of Flick of the Switch or Fly on the Wall ACDC tones. I've read that they were using g12-65 celestions during that time period.
Every one was killer. I think I likes the ET65 the best . It sounded the most vintage.
I thought WGS was the same company as warehouse
Yes. Warehouse Guitar Speakers (WGS)
@@GernBlanston ok cool ....they are currently my new favorite speaker
Try them Retro 30's 👍
I actually have them in a 1960 cab, mixed with the Marshall (Celestion) G12 Vintage speakers. I'm thinking of doing a comparison of the Retro 30 and G12 Vintage speakers. The Marshall G12 Vintage (Stock in the 1960 AV/BV cabs) is the original recipe for the Vintage 30, but it's a little brighter in the top end, and has deeper bass than the Vintage 30. It's 70 watts. Interestingly enough, that's how WGS describes the Retro vs the Veteran, and the Retro is 75 watts. Hmmmm.
@@GernBlanston There needs to be more high quality, high gain vids of their speakers. Mainly Retro 30 and their 30w Reapers. I have both And like both but my new amp is bright (H&K Grandmeister 36) so i took out the Retros because i needed speakers with low 6.4k but loved them with my 6505mh...
@@GernBlanston how close are the Marshall vintage to the retro 30s then?
They’re EQ’d very similarly. The Retro definitely stood out though. It has a lot more sizzle on top. So, I removed it from the cab. It sounds great on its own, in a MojoTone Canyon 1x12. I would say, the Retro is a much more metal speaker, than blues or classic rock. It would probably work very well if you have a darker amp.
@@GernBlanston Thanks for the reply. I asked because I have a 2x12 Hayden cab with a retro and a reaper. The Reaper tends to stand out a bit more as the mids are stronger, but I wondered how it would sound in a 4x12. I have a 1960A cab and want to remove the 75T's because I don't particularly like them. Seriously considering getting a second 4x12 as well for a different flavour, been looking at the Mojotone Grand Canyon and Zilla Oversized 4x12. How do you find the build quality of Mojotone? Do you have any experience with Zilla cabs?
G12H30 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
ET 65 wins it for me. It doesn't have that high end sizzle- so you you push the highs a bit. Problem solved :)
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I should have kept the Invader I had.
Celestion 65
I liked the Invader best, and the ET65 least.
And now that I got one, I literally hate it - worst guitar speaker I have ever tried, and I have tried a LOT.
@@qddk9545 What did you get, the Invader? What don't you like about it?
@@WyattBrown377 I already had the Invader. I like it, the Eminence Cannabis Rex, Celestion Creamback G12M-65 and the Celesion Creamback Alnico.
Sorry this seems like strange comments from me. The first Invader I got was defective, and I got a new one that sounds fine.
I'm for a tie between Legacy 50 and g12h 30. Both really clear and balanced.
Reaper 1:07
G12H 1:24
Invader 0:24
. Definitely the invader 50 then the Celestion vintage 30. The others to flat
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The celestions have a fatter sound with more emphasis on bass and low mids while the WGS are a bit thinner and brighter with more upper mids and treble . The WGS sound more Hifi and modern.
It reminds me of Comparing gibson pickups to Duncan's.
Funny that some find the ET65 muddy here. I listen through Beyedynamic 770s and the ET65 and the G12H30 are the only ones that really track the chord changes meticulously in the presence range. Again I'm reminded why I'm just nuts about WGS, btw: Invaders in my lead cab, Liberators in my rhythm cab.
Muddy is a poor choice of word(s)... I liked it too, it was slightly deeper tonewise than the Invader, so ppl jump right to the M-Word, Muddy, IT'S NOT!! Your BeyerDynamic did not lie.