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I don't agree with the theme because they look up at the sky if they were a hunter gatherers they would move and they would know where to go because the weather would be warmer down south to navigate so they could get food that they are gathering and follow other animals do the same Like birds migrate other animals migrate their food source would be and once the gained planting crops those same type of constellations and time knowledge would tell them when to plant the crops when to do what to make those crops grow best they would know winter and where to be to eat and to do the things to make food archaeologist could look into cultures they're still hunter gatherers to this day and by the way maybe look at religion just for a little bit of context then you can learn something Believe me just throwing anything as a myth or legend or a just a story if you don't look at it as being true you are going to miss something very important there are a number of Things that you can mix together to make the truth come out and they will line up
My old anthro prof beat it into our heads that our ancestors, no matter how far back, were just as intelligent, just as clever, just as capable as we are, they lacked technology and literacy but not brains.
The important thing to remember is that all our technological advancements are build off of the things our ancestors discovered. We're not the smart humans just because we made wi-fi, we could only make wifi because of the cumulative innovation of our species, starting from banging rocks together to shape them into tools.
I think what you’re failing to consider is clearly a more advanced alternative historian visited Graham Hancock from the sea and taught him how to construct alternative histories. You don’t just wake up one day and decide to create a new alternate history.
"You don't just wake up one day and decide to create a new alternative history." I know that you're making a joke here, but a fair number of authors have done exactly that.
I love the snippet of Milo going through the ghost town like “I may be a man of science but my chemo-electric anxiety machine is telling me this place is bad shaped and I’m gonna take it at its word”
There is something to be said for trusting evidence that you can't quite explain. Like someone who doesn't know why there's a weird cloud sitting on Mount Vesuvius but decides maybe now is a good time to take a day trip across the bay.
Karahan Tepe's TV debut being on Ancient Apocalypse is hella depressing. That would be like if our first photos of a black hole were revealed on an episode of Ancient Aliens.
Using Graham Hancock's philosophy, the Gobekli Tepe vulture carving depicts a bird holding an orb, which is iconic in the Metroid series of video games as depicting a Chozo holding poweups for Samus. Since the iconography is similar, it clearly means the Gobekli Tepe carvings depict an ancient race of bird aliens and the Metroid series was based on this *clearly true* folklore, meaning that giant alien bird people exist and visited both ancient Turkey and 1990's Japan.
Hancock: "These civilizations were incapable of piling dirt and stones on their own!" Also Hancock: "This construction must be older because they didn't precisely mathematically align it to the sunrise!"
"Archaeology is the study of quite literally everything" well said. my physics teacher said the same thing about physics, my finance teacher said the same thing about finance. much of what we do is fundamentally interdisciplinary and strongly founded upon cooperation and sharing knowledge. people who insist that shit like atlanteans or whatever did it are just unable to accept that human beings are far naturally better at that than those tiny minds think
Being Turkish, I really heavily appreciate your commitment to helping earthquake victims in smaller villages and townships. Those people were forgotten, both by the state and NGOs. Beyond that, Göbekli Tepe is one of the proudest elements of my country. Its preservation is paramount to archeology and the commitment Turks make to preserve it actively fills me with pride.
@@thevideoistheking8834 , yeah I saw Israel publicly threatened to blow up any aid going there. Didn't know if anybody was taking the risk, & doing it anyway. What also made me ask was that there are a lot of people & organizations here (US) requesting donations to help "Syria & Turkey", then later in the video or ad, there's qualifications, or outright statements, that they likely can't help Syrians.
Imagine a movie about a large ancient tribe with a sort of Forrest Gump character who one day just starts to build a hill on top of the hill. At first the tribe thinks he's crasy and pays him little mind, but in time he manages to inspire them so much they start to help.
So, when I first saw the vulture stone my first thought was "Oh hey, that's a Chozo!", proving *beyond a shadow of a doubt* that ancient mesopotamiens were trying to tell us that Metroid games rock.
That seems a perfectly reasonable hypothesis and holds together better then a lot of ancient apocalypse. My only question is are you thinking that both the ancients and the creators of metroid were visited by the same aliens or a secret cult that passed the knowledge down until video games could be made?
The thing that amuses me most is the idea that these are "messages for the future" from a society even partially as advanced as ours. Because the thing is-a 10000 year time capsule is not an insurmountable problem. There have actually been modern efforts to figure out how communication on that scale is possible in order to mark nuclear waste sites-because, on the possibility our society falls, those sites will remain dangerous for tens of thousands of years. A lot of ideas have been considered-hostile architecture of massive black spikes to induce fear or superstition, communications written in dozens of languages on the off chance even one of them can be cracked-it is a really interesting problem, especially considering that we have no way of knowing if any of our cultural values would remain and so every assumption we might make needs to be considered. Shit is literally like the plot of Arrival. You know what literally no one suggested? "Let's stack some rocks in a way vaguely designed to point towards a random constellation and call it good." Any society of humans even a fraction as advanced as Graham Hancock proposes would be advanced enough to not need random shit to convey meanings. If you can have stuff like the pyramids build, what you do is fill those pyramids with things that unambiguously communicate how advanced you were (Advanced metallurgy would be a good example, as would complex tools), leave a bunch of clear writing and clear directions and expect that the nature of the structure will keep it secure. It's really telling that one of the hallmarks of our society (the development of styles of art capable of photorealism), seemingly no one from this advanced society ever developed a style more advanced than the bronze age or thought that carving a bunch of depictions of advanced technology with technical explanations of how it works and maybe some advanced mathematics for shits and giggles might communicate to a future advanced society that someone on their level was behind making these things. Hell it doesn't even need to be carved. Stack rocks in a way that communicates a few dozen digits of Pie or shows that you know a whole bunch of prime numbers-it would be instantly recognizable. If the best your society can do is maybe an image of a scorpion-you're not that advanced a society. People in the Bronze Age figured out "Write important things on stone walls and they'll last thousands of years".
Thank you again for putting the work in! The scene of Serpent Mound with the two people standing in front of the tail, those people are Chiefs Glenna Wallace and Ben Barnes of The Eastern Shawnee and Shawnee tribes of Oklahoma. As a descendant myself I thank you for mentioning that the indigenous people associated with these sites are still alive today and still hold a sacred connection to what the Ancestors have left behind! Greatly appreciated! Niyawe!
This whole series comes off as an exasperated college professor's hour long rant, because an alarming amount of students cited Ancient Aliens as their source. I love it. XD
And Ancient Aliens could've been a credible scientific documentation. All it takes is finishing off on how unlikely the theories are. Nothing wrong with speculating and adding some wild theories in the mix, but the conclusions, the piece of knowledge that comes from it has to be sound.
agreed, nothing wrong with speculative science in and of itself, all of advanced physics is basically an effort in speculative science. the problem is guys like Hancock who go "hmm that's a cool idea, lets make it the truth regardless of supporting facts"
@@kevinmay7935"speculative science" is literally just fiction. The show could still have great entertainment value if they were transparent and honest about the validity of their "evidence" instead of presenting it all as fact and misrepresenting the interviews from the experts.
Thank you Graham Hancock for getting me interested in ancient human history. Its a fascinating topic, unfortunately I want to know the facts backed by evidence. So here I am learning what we really know, and its been wonderful.
And this comment to me is the attitude one should have towards science and history. Nothing wrong with how you got into it but how you spend the time after is just as important. Hes got interesting ideas but real history has work, and your doing that work, so good on you! 🔥👏
Graham got me interested in ancient history too. Enough so that I took some archaeology courses in college and learned that Graham doesn't really do archaeology. He's more like a Victorian Antiquarian where he just decides something is what he thinks it is without any evidence.
Dear Milo, I just had the opportunity to watch this video and what you did brought me to tears even though 1 year has passed since the earthquake, as a Turkish citizen. It is so valuable that you helped us when your own work requires a lot of funds! I followed you from everywhere to support you and I hope Türkiye will lead you to incredible discoveries 🙏🏻. Always stay the way you are! Lots of love and huge THANK YOU💐
Milo is like that one substitute teacher who just rocks up one day to fill in for a teacher in a totally unrelated class, tells you some wild ass facts about ancient history or whatever and then you only ever see him in the hallways or in other classrooms after that one lesson
@@hoppytoad79tbh the real history of these places often is mindnumbingly boring. Hancock - while often wrong - is at least entertaining in a “switch your brain off and imagine it was real to be invested in the story” way.
The "how did they lift them" thing always cracks me up, because they never actually speculate on it. They never go into any detail with, say, examples of the possibilities (such as the myriad we know of they could have used to lift these stones. Like the Egyptians. They were big on record keeping.) like you did. They just leave it up to your imagination, because aliens. It's something I noticed a couple years back and it sticks out like a sore thumb to me, now.
Graham Hancock has said in many interviews that he believes the stones were moved by either singing to them or telekinesis. For him actual manual labor of any sort is inconceivable.
so graham hancock thinks that the builders of gobekli tepe could figure out what position constellations would be thousands of years in the future but they weren’t smart enough to figure out how to dig and stack rocks
I really appreciate that you talked about him feeling dread and explaining that you understand that feeling in old/odd places. We''re all human and have emotional reactions to things and it is important for us to remember that.
Several weeks ago I saw an Instagram post talking about a 60,000 year old library in Tibet, complete with stacks of written scrolls. I commented that it was nonsense. I have never had so many replies to a comment on Instagram and most were not friendly. I was called an idiot, a clown, that I've been brainwashed by mainstream historians, and asked if I was aware of the ancient advanced civilisation in Turkey in the Ice Age. Amongst all the vitriol, it was suggested that I needed to educate myself by listening to someone from outside the mainstream lies... Graham Hancock.
Tiktok is a weird place. Everyone believes everything 100%. It’s so easy to troll with ridiculous obviously untrue statements and people will say “actually…” They believe whatever the video says 100%.
I actually grew up in Southern Ohio, took many field trips to Serpants Mound. It's not just a cultural heritage site; it's also a cemetery, there are burial mounds right next to it. When we were kids we were heavily chastised for wanting run and play up the little hills... cause they were actually graves. If the Ohio state park coordinator didn't feel comfortable turning a Native American burial ground into a film set for a conspiracy show, I certainly don't blame them...
Quite an important piece of context in regards to the history of the mound. No one wants a cemetery where your ancestors and/or loved ones rest turn into a documentary location.
I respect however anyone wishes to honor their dead, but I actually think it would be really cool to turn graveyards into places where it's socially acceptable to chill and have lunch or whatever. I see graveyards as a receptacle of love. It's just a big field full of rotting meat and bones in theory, but in practice its the place where you show your loved ones how much you care. That you don't want the world to forget how great they were. A place for friends and family to gather and remember their life. I find a great sense of peace there and would love to see people bringing flowers and a picnic basket and then playing frisbee. Just as a response to you playing on the hills as a kid. Seems to me dead people would not want the land they were laid to rest in be just off limits to all of humanity
As an indigenous person, thank you for acknowledging serpent mounds importance!! The mounds of our people across the USA have been desecrated so much over the years that what little we have left is to be protected and treasured. It is a religious place that brings spiritual peace to so many ppl, myself included.
I've been watching your short and long content for at least a year now and cannot believe i only just found the time to sit with this series! My wife and i are enjoying it and plan to watch the source material after just to critique over some drinks lol. Thanks for the work sir, you and the team are a fabulous addition to the Internet as a whole
Because us, technologically superior beings, tend to really condescend to and belittle the ancient peoples of the far past. People like Graham Hancock work on these prejudices to make his narratives of Atlantis stick. We think, "Oh, those primitive savages couldn't have possibly done something more impressive than us, especial, superior modern humans! It must've been the Atlatians/the aliens/what have you who taught them to do these impressive feats with very heavy rocks! That explains it!"
😂 stack rocks good? Giza is a 13 billion pound stone structure made of millions of stones that weighed thousands of pounds each dragged from 100s of miles away, thousands of years before modern technology. It’s very easy to see why some people can’t accept it 😂
@@verdugo2043The argument "because it would be difficult" is very weak. Obviously it would be difficult, but the entirety of human history is just the same tale of "humans are stubborn bastards" told over and over. If a bunch of humans decide they want to build a giant stack of rocks, even if it's difficult, they'll figure out a way to do it. Same way that humans decided they wanted to go to the moon, and then did it.
my favorite thing about the "ancient peoples left cryptic signs warning us about the end of the world" is that when we try to warn our distant hypothetical decendants about dangerous things we make it as obvious as possible, we put up a literal sign that says "dont go anywhere near this it will kill you." we even thought of putting massive terrifying spikes around the dangerous stuff we've made so people dont go anywhere near it. so why the hell would the ancients make it a puzzle????
We're still trying to figure out a comprehensible warning that would be understood even if civilization collapsed completely. But yes, ancient peoples made riddles out of their warnings because reasons. Riddles and puzzles get lost in translation a lot faster than *Danger: Keep Out* signs.
@@julietfischer5056 No? Just… no. Civilizations don’t do ‘encoded messages’, if you’re keeping something out or keeping people away, you build a wall. Humans have done that for thousands of years. We builds walls and spikes, not weird coded encrypted messages.
HAHSHSHAHA exactly. it's not like we've been trying for decades to warn new generations about how doomed our energy source (oil) system is and how global warming, desertification, death of biomas, ocean rising and all is a threat to us all as a race. and definitely, if we tried hard enough, the signs would be there, in a mystical way lol I hate how conspiracy theories make it sound like there are no real threats or issues to care about.
I live in Ohio, a couple months ago myself and a few friends decided to go camping in the area Serpent Mound is located, and decided to visit it. We watched this right before wr visited... There are now no less than 12 different signs in several areas throughout the trails, park, the Mound itself, and pulling into the parking lot prohibiting the use of drones, and I felt the need to inform Milo of this information 😂 It is awe inspiring by the way, absolutely gorgeous to look at and walk around.
@@Rat_Bastard_of_BlackwaterOf course Ohio is a myth, have you ever been there? Don't believe this DEEP STATE SHILL, Ohio has never existed and the GOVERNMENT REFUSES to acknowledge Ohio's pointed absence from everyone's memory. Everyone who claims to have been to Ohio, or even to have lived there is CLEARLY a PAID ACTOR who is HIDING the TRUTH from us!!1! God it's harder to write that sort of thing than I thought. Did I get the ABSURD CAPITALIZATION correct?
"You don't just wake up one day & decide to build this" OK but I have adhd & that's exactly how I make decisions. I wake up & I'm like "I should learn how to weld so I can make a 12 foot tall metal skeleton for my front lawn" You mean to tell me that no one else has been like me ever?
Honestly same. "Screw my backlog of homework and chores, I'm gonna go through all the D&D books in the basement and make a list of all the playable races" - me like a year ago
Graham Hancock is 1000% more interested in his own “cool” version of history that he has imagined. It’s kinda adorable, if he weren’t so dishonest about being wrong
That’s because the actual history of all these places is usually mindnumbingly boring tbh. Even though Hancock is wrong, he’s wrong in a Da Vinci code style way, like an “imagine if it was actually real it would be exciting, so I’ll turn my brain off and imagine it is for entertainment” way.
@@xStarblazer Wich would be perfectly fine if he presented it as such, but he presents it as fact, and often attacks others for not considering his version of history as fact
I appreciate people who imagine alternate histories that are a whole lot more exciting than reality, and write them down and sell them - as FICTION. Trying to present it as fact when it doesn't fit the evidence and there are widely accepted theories that DO fit the evidence? That's just fraud.
I live a ten minute walk away from these mounds and the nearby school taught me how important it was to wonder if it was a burial mound, a viewpoint for the sky, or if it was for watching for invaders, fascinating things to learn about when you can hike up to it. It does stand out from the forest
The worst part is that folklore history about stars is so fucking cool. Like the Pleiades, a cluster of stars referred to as the seven sisters in a lot of cultures despite there being 6 visible. In most of the stories, the seventh is dead or in hiding, because there ARE actually seven of them. Two are just so close you can’t tell them apart, so it’s likely the cultures saw this and made the story to match! So it’d be really fucking cool if the vulture stone had any relation to the stars, but it clearly doesn’t.
Hancock: Big Academia ignores anything that rewrites history! Big Academia: That’s weird, you have a boner for Gobekli Tepe, which we are actively investigating in order to update our understanding of ancient peoples
He's got a point. There are some vids here on TH-cam from years back on the search for Dwarka and the resistance to finding it. It was a myth, until it wasn't. The 'experts' told us that the Amazon basin only had a few hundred thousand people, in small villages. LIDAR has proven that to be resoundingly wrong. Entire cities have been found found in the desert that supposedly only had nomadic bands of herdsman.
@@shadohdanceyahsurehow did they resist finding it? did they say "please don't look for it. Please!" Or did they just say there is no good evidence for it, until there was?
@@shadohdanceyahsurethat’s how science works. You can’t just make claims. You have to back it up with actual evidence. You can’t just say “people did this or that or civilization is tens of thousands of years older” without anything substantiating the claim. All a person can do is go off the best information available. Last I checked “people saying things” isn’t evidence of anything.
@@shadohdanceyahsurethat's literally science, a thing can be theorized to exist but it's assumed that it doesn't until there's direct evidence. Giant squid were thought to be fictional sea monsters until they washed up on beaches.
So it's absurd anyone could just wake up and decide to build Gobekli Tepe, but Hancock's entire premise is that someone from Atlantis woke up and decided to build Gobekli Tepe.
The site is something like 300 yards across and took 1600 years to develop. I don't think anybody just woke up one morning with that length of time and end result in mind. Hancock's brain is so fried from decades of drug abuse that his concept of doing something "overnight" or "suddenly" no longer fits with reality.
@@Eyes_Open Different architecture majors going around spreading their style without telling anoyne, because everyone elses sucks and their way of building stuff is correct. That's obviously what happened, people just wanting to prove themselves so they spent time in poorer places and built their designs with a really cheap workforce. The black pyramid was obviously built by a dropout. Jokes aside, it really is pointless to try to make believers of these theories realise their mistakes. If stuff this obvious can be ignored, how does any argument matter? No one will listen to it anyway, except people that already realised how dumb the theories are.
Archeologists said for centuries that there was no civilization 10,000 years ago. Hancock et al said there was. Archeologists were wrong, Hancock et al were right.
A theory I have about cave art is that the reason we most often see animals that they hunted is because the artists simply had easiest access to these animals to look at. Imagine you’re an artist living in hunter gatherer time and your buddies come back with a bull, and they lay it out to clean up to prepare it. That’s an artists time to accurately sketch it and practice so you can do your cool wall art later. This is coming from a professional artists perspective. That’s what I would do. And although these cave pieces tell the story of a whole people from that time, the art also tells a very specific story of the individuals who made those pieces. Cause think about it, in your community there are individuals who make a large majority of the art because it’s their hobby or their calling. So cave paintings in a single location very well could have all been made by just a small handful of individuals. And if we go down that path, what is that individual thinking while also taking into account the wants and influence of the community on that artist. So fun to think about!
I like the more recent theory that they're actually child drawings. because if you're a child I'm sure the first time you get a good look at a predator animal is the only time you'll see it- and you're not making it back to the cave.
@@sd5371 By "Child drawings" do you mean drawings intended to educate children on predators? "Child drawings" really sounds like it's implying it was drawn by a child, not for a child.
The cave were not places where people lived, it was only intended for rituals. They came in there to reunite betWeen tribes for partocular events but lived outside
Brothels may be your thing today, but I understand they were also widely used in the ancient world. Some creeds even had sacred prostitutes. I believe that (damn this failing memory) some even required a spell as such a 'priestess' as a Rite Of Passage.@@RichWoods23
I can totally see him saying the Ancient ones glassed the city with their starships, because they invoked their wrath.... actually that sounds like a cool concept for a sci-fi novel, will get started on it, don't steal.
Hancock: "Archeologists can't ever admit they were wrong or change their minds!" Archeologists: "We thought only agricultural societies made megalithic structures, but then we found Göbekli Tepe so that changed our minds." Hancock: "Noooooooo it was a secret civilization of psychic farmers."
The Scorpio constellation was called the leaning coconut tree in Java, the hook of Ma'ui in Hawaii, or the skate and sharks stars (two constellations) in Sulawesi. The mesopotamians and the Greeks did called it a scorpio, but they included the Libra constellation in it, as its claws. It's funny how, even civilisations that are close to us, don't use the scorpio for the constellation of the scorpio, but I'm supposed to believe that a civilisation 12 000 years ago did ^^
Island people in the indo pacific region aren't really that close to the greater mediterranian area. It keeping that symbolism for 12000 years in the region isn't that hard to believe if we can trace it already for 3000 years, the only problem is that there is no evidence.
Banyak Angrem is the more well known name for Scorpio in Javanese. It means "Roosting Swan". But yep, Banyak angrem and Kelapa Doyong (The Leaning Coconut) is indeed the constellation Scorpio in Javanese. Fun fact: Javanese people also have Zodiac/Horoscope style spiritual belief known as Primbon, which uses Javanese Calendar, Star alignments, and heirloom mysticism. But that was made when Hinduism and Buddhism was spread in Java in 6th Century AD and further developed my Islamic Missionary in 12th Century AD to help spread Islam and their syncretic variant, *Kebatinan* It is still practiced today among older Javanese populations for fortune telling and are treated the same way as conventional Horoscope... So yes, Imagine this old person getting excited after reading the Primbon Horoscope section printed on Local Newspaper or Tabloid the same way an average Teenager gets hyped over their Star sign 😅😅 Cultural and Social History is such a neat subject and seriously underappreciated
@@justarandomtechpriest1578 Travel time to get to the Javanese islands: around three to four years if you go by foot. Travel time to get to paleolithic people: 12 000 years. Yeah, it's much quicker to travel in time than to travel in space :D
“No one would just wake up and just decide to build this” …I dunno man, I’ve seen the sort of shit Speedrunners just do because they felt like that day. Someone recreated entire cities in Minecraft because they felt like it. I believe humans would just decide build a whole complex structure out of nowhere. That genuinely isn’t that unbelievable to me.
I've seen dudes at the beach build pretty elaborate earthworks just for the fun of it. People spend decades perfecting their rock gardens. Some folks wake up with the urge to make a sculpture. Humans like to make things! It's surprising that ancient people could build such a structure with the technology available to them, but it hardly surprises me that they would want to.
He would've lost his mind seeing pre 10-year-old me go with legos. And I'm not talking about the kits; I had a huge box of bricks that I went nuts with. Good times
I see your point, but it takes a bit more passing when your building materials with several pounds at minimum and have to be dragged to your chosen site... Not even saying that somebody wouldn't wake up one day and decide they wanted to do that. Just that that would be a very particular kind of person. 😂
I love how you're an exception to Brandolini's Law with this series "When someone posts false or misleading information online, the effort to refute it is generally an order of magnitude larger than to produce it." But you're essentially box-of-scraps-in-a-cave-ing this dude with a netflix deal and according budget (not that you're not putting a ton of effort it, you obviously are)
😂 😂 😂 Aint that the truth, at home archeology with more evidence and understanding than a hundreds of thousands of dollara produced netflix "documentary"
I do not believe Milo is an exception to Brandolini's Law I believe with this series he is showing evidence for it. I am pretty sure it is taking a lot more effort to refute GH than it is for GH to spill his misinformation. Perhaps you should have started your post with "I love how you're showing compelling evidence for Brandolini's Law with this series". I think I knew where you were coming from, but I wasn't quite sure.
26:35 -- hey, it's the guy with the BA in Communication (me) tapping my MA in Education: Archeologists didn't 'hide' anything. Your social studies and history textbooks are outdated because MY academic discipline works too slowly and needs reformed. Also, new textbooks are expensive and public education is underfunded. But like construction workers and archeologists, it's not teachers' fault that this is happening! It depends on funding.
If I can bring more context to the Iroquois legend of the snakes in the sky, here is the Wendat perspective (which is related to the Haudenosaunee as most probably know) the snakes in the sky actually relates to the legend of Enoh or the thunderer if you prefer, it is a sort of addenda to the legend itself as elders of my Nation tell it. If you are interested it is found in Barbeau's book "Huron and Wyandot mythology" the first mention in the book is page 45 in the french version. So basically the legend states that the thunderer left in the sky world after humans left it to exit out of a cave located around what is now Quebec city and then later as a spirit stuck in the sky saw giant snakes flying in the sky and then struck them down with its lightning out of what my elders described as boredom and the fall of the MANY snakes created the meandering rivers of north America explaining why they shift over time. Nowhere is it told that we compare the serpent to a comet or anything of such sort. Rather it seems more coherent that both the US and Canada's serpent mounds are a depiction of the animal that moves like a river and thus is seen as a symbol of trade through it.
@justincurll1110 Bro, this was not the comment to make your joke addendum to. They’re sharing relevant, personally important information in good faith. They also obviously have fluency in other languages (ie French) which might influence their usage of grammar norms. Plus, this is an internet comment - nobody but freaks like you and I give a shit about grammar in our internet comments. Chill out 😂
That Milo is better at explaining archeology than some Netflix hack is one thing. But we live in the strange moment in time that even the comments under his video's (like yours) are way more informative than multimillion dollar TV show.
A note on cave paintings being hunting guides, that was absolutely the case occasionally. Many of the mammoths painted in Rouffignac Cave in France have painted tick marks at about the shoulder/upper front leg, as if an individual was tapping it repeatedly with charcoal to denote a hit spot to students. Furthermore, that location lines up with the heart and lungs, and is where the shoulderblades and ribs of disarticulated mammoths occasionally show spearhead injuries.
Information on caveman culture is so fascinating because it's all really smart and thought out stuff that's just completely without context for us. A lot of cave paintings are probably either there to teach something or to mark some kind of event.
I've always loved your channel, but I'm just in anthro/archaeo-nerd heaven watching this take-down series. Got my anthro degree back in '93, and though I didn't go on to enter the field professionally, I've always tried to keep up with new discoveries & revisions of what was known back when I was in college. Several years ago, I switched fields, as it were, and became an Episcopal priest. One of the things I love about this episode of yours in particular was your side-bar about Serpent Mound's being not only archaeologically significant to Westerners, but also being culturally and religiously significant to the descendants of its builders. THANK YOU!!! It is absolutely a question of ethics, as you say. Also, the line about having a fist full of rings and a head full of geology is absolute GOLD! :D
I found your channel a couple of days ago. I've enjoyed every video so far. I feel like I'm in an old school history class and i love it. Thanks for sharing all your knowledge with the world.
The best way to discribe this series is when your teacher starts playing a movie in the end of the year Just so they (and maybe the class) can absolutly demolish the things the movie got wrong about their subject
I like how, despite some mistakes in your scripts about some of the facts, you addressed each and any of those errors, without any trouble, making yourself accountable for everything.
I'm still floored by the fact people like Hancock can keep a straight face while saying "I'm against the mainstream" while on THE MAIN STREAMING WEBSITE
Graham's view of ancient history is EXTREMELY similar to the lore of Assassin's Creed. In AC lore, the Isu were an advanced race of beings that were wiped out by the "Toba Catastrophe" which, according to AC lore, was a massive solar flare that fried the surface of the planet. The Isu foresaw the Toba Catastrophe but could not stop it and also foresaw another event that would happen in the far future, so they left clues at multiple sites across the world to warn future humans.
But at least in AC, the clues left behind were more like a last ditch effort with no time for make it more reliable after everything failed and of course they were HYPER ADVANCED so they could put that off with reasonable effort.
@@ricardomiles2957 and they left behind more substantial relics than piles of rocks that people of the time could easily build without any magical reason to.
This ancient aliens/lost civilisation stuff inspired a lot of franchise lore. In _Battlestar Galactica_ humans are a lost colony, _Stargate_ of course, _Prometheus_ and _Alien: Covenant, Predators_ built pyramids all over the world to hunt Xenomorphs, ancient aliens called the Progenitors created all humanoid lifeforms in _Star Trek_ (it's why everyone can have offspring with eachother), _Doctor Who_ plays around with it in several episodes (Atlantis, Silurians), etc. If it's taken for what it is, fiction, then it can be pretty entertaining imho.
Your citations pdf is stellar! If you were enrolled on my college courses, you would not only get an A+ but, with your permission, your scholarship would be anonymously presented on how to do things right. Keep it up!
I like Graham i never took him seriously i just found him entertaining and never took any of his theories seriously it's like listening to sci fi for me, I'm glad to find these videos to teach me the reality of it all. Keep up the great work
Unfortunately many are not so discerning as you. Also as a former Journalist Hancock is therefore also = a skilled storyteller...... That is how he is able to compellingly argue what is really BS and suck in the gullible who as noted cannot recognize what he is doing.
its so great these ancient people spent so much time in order to warn us about this catastrophe so we can avoid it. They totally told us what the catastrophe was and how to avoid it, right?
I mean, I dunno about you, but if I wanted to make a warning for future generations, I would be as clear as humanly possible about it. Little symbolism, and as clearly as it can be put to physical medium without relying on what would assuredly be a very dead, nigh untranslatable language.
god this is a fantastic point. Especially since nowadays we actually do have something we need to warn potential future civilizations of, and so we can examine how we go about doing that and look for that kind of thing in the historical record and *we never find giant spikes in the desert and inscriptions in 10 languages telling us that this is not a place of honour and there are no highly esteemed deeds commemorated here.*
This is by far my favorite series on TH-cam. Every second of the series has been both educational and entertaining, milo you are doing an amazing job and I really mean that!! Thank you so much I can’t wait for the next one :)
It's wild to me, how all of this boils down to the idea how there is one "master civilisation" of civilisation bringers, who showed all ancient civilisation how it is done, who were apparently too stupid to figure it out on their own. You only need to make one step, namely that the aryans are direct descendants of them, and he suddenly becomes the villain of an Indiana Jones movie.
Yeah for real. I get why Milo is being so… I guess non-slandering, legally speaking. But personally I can’t imagine Graham’s over all goal is as chill as he may seem to (white cishet) men in person. And if he genuinely isn’t trying to be so bad, he has some genuine issues he needs to see a Doctor about, not get a Netflix special
There's also the teeny tiny little question that, well, if "The Ancients" had this technology and decided to share it, then how did they get this knowledge and these skills to begin with? Wouldn't they have had to learn all this by themselves from scratch? And if _they_ were able to learn it for themselves, why is it somehow unfathomable that hunter-gatherers could have learned by themselves, without further input, too? What makes "The Ancients" so much more capable than regular humans of the past? And if anyone says "Aliens" taught "The Ancients" all these techniques, then _how did the "Aliens" learn to do all of this!?_ Did _they_ learn everything from scratch on their alien home planet!? And why does that mean hunter-gatherer humans couldn't have ever learned from scratch too!?? Or did the "Aliens" learn from other, still even _more_ advanced "Super Aliens"??!?? And if so OH GOD WHEN DOES IT END????? There's actually no good reason to stop at just "The Ancients/Aliens did it", but a lot of conspiracies do anyway. And you kinda have to wonder if they made that decision because a) they just ran out of imagination and didn't want to keep going ad infinitum, or b) there's some unsaid goal of the storyteller that makes them choose to conclude at exactly that point and discourage or ignore further questions.
@@conspiracypanda1200 I understand what you are trying to say. However, humans have existed for around 2-300k years. In the last 100 years we as a species have absolutely crushed everything that our ancestors did before us, it's not even close. If our modern civilisation were wiped out and the only people that survived were tribes in the amazon forest, do you really think that they would get to our level even in a thousand years or more? I'm not a hancock fan, but everyone before our modern time are primitive apes compared to us. We can compare all of them to each other, we have nobody to compare ourselfs to. That's how big the difference is. What i'm trying to get to is, just because some people figured something out and created the iphone as an example, don't mean that if that information were lost it would be discovered by another human in the future.
3:26 "Nothing that you do in your life today is done with the intent of people 12,000 years from now discovering it and being able to learn from it" The hand-drawn map of my neighborhood that I put in a yogurt tub and buried in a streambed at age 7 begs to differ, my good sir.
I always thought animals that were hunted are depicted far more than predatory animals in art because those were the ones they saw and watched most often, especially up close. Or at least and then lived to paint about it. So they would be easier to paint. But there could be more meaning to it.
ye my first instinct as artist was also: well if it's dead you have enough time to draw from reference. Moving animals are quite difficult to draw, but if you have a still reference and you observe the moving animal a lot, it's possible to create detailed moving depictions quite well
Makes total sense when you say it, but I never thought about how there probably is a survivor bias of the artists when considering what animals get depicted in ancient cave art.
Dude, you're sarcasm rock's, this is got to be the longest I've ever watched informative information. Love it my Guy. Keep up the great work, Indiana Jones would approve 👍 👌 🎉
I’ve rewatched this whole series and wait with bated breath for the next episode to drop. The amount of research put into this is amazing, the fact this video is the first one that comes up when someone searches Ancient Apoc is a testament to the interest and hard work put into this. (But on the off chance you see this minuteman, please don’t feel pressured by viewers to finish sooner, more time means more time for me to dive down research rabbit holes 🙏)
I saw Graham Hancock live on a book tour about 10 years ago. He was very compelling and instilled at least a sense of wonder to research. The later half of the talk was about his DMT and Mushroom trips, which turned it into a Joe Rogan conversation with himself, and was about when I tapped out. You are doing important work here. And your edits are 😘👌.... I'm going to eat that dog one day sent me😂😂😂
@@sadhu7191 sure, always keen to leave the planet psychically. But haven't tried DMT. I did the old ego death on Acid back in my 20s. At 42 I'm happy just getting lost in painting and reading books ☺️
@@teenagebottlerobert the( church of ambrosia) is a high dose mushroom church ised to heal ancester trauma and find true path in extreme high doses 30 grams dry to 80 grams dry and higher mushrooms.
On the "places with bad vibes" thing, the entire horror genre of liminal spaces is centered around the feeling of strangeness and dread that comes from empty places where people *should* but are not. It's a cool but weird human experience, and it's a shame how many people take it as proof of something supernatural when a simple google search could show that it's something felt all in many contexts, including empty malls, which I doubt people would consider supernatural in any respect.
Do you think empty places are spooky because that's where enemies always ambush the protagonists in movies, or if that's where movie writers have the enemies ambush the protagonist because it's intrinsically spooky?
I guess my brain's broken because I love abandoned ruins, LOL. I think if a place creeps you out more than you're expecting it to, it's best to listen to that feeling in case you've subconsciously picked up on something dangerous, like a predator in your peripheral vision or infrasound from a collapsing structure.
@@IsThisThePrizeIveWaitedFor If I have to guess, it’s some sort of primal instinct in us that finds such places to be intimidating or eerie. No place to easily hide, no idea what’s ahead, no idea if you’re really alone or not, etc. It’s just a fear response.
The funniest thing about it to me is that Göbekli Tepe roughly translates to ‘potbelly hill’ (from the research I’ve done, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong!!) so it’s more like ‘y’know what would look good on that hill? A beer belly’
Growing up in AZ my parents, namely my father, thought it would be a delight to take us to all the "ghost towns" in the state. I know what you mean about the weird vibes. Not even necessarily paranormal vibes, but just like primal, fight-or-flight instinct vibes. Like, idk if something or someone is going to attack me, but this seems like the place and situation in which it would happen.
It’s like if a forest is quiet. Human structures usually demand human habitation, so it’s lack indicates some threat that displaced them. Hence, you are set on edge.
some places that are haunted i pick up on, but its more of the eerie threatening vibe before knowing its apparently haunted. Fear and paranoia is a strong thing that makes you hear noises, whispers and even thing things have moved in your peripheral vision! Like a napoleonic war coastal fort near me in england - its scary because its got lots of doors into pitch black rooms, with bars across lol- not because its haunted. Its got lots of blind spots and is grand but empty. But its got a lot of 'ghost tours'. Its next to the coast path and beach which are the total opposite so its quite a contrast too.
I've never felt like a place was 'haunted', but back when I worked a survey job I came across a dilapidated house in a forested area in Louisiana. No doors, no windows, only thing living in it was a swarm of wasps. Noped out of there pretty fast.
I've lived in Ohio almost my whole life and still haven't visited Serpent mound. I'm glad you're willing to educate the masses on these outlandish theories because most folks don't have the drive or time to research on their own. Even still, I'm planning a trip there myself because it is a magnificent sight with rich history as well as Fort Ancient and I know multiple people who are descendants of the people that built these wonderful sights. Keep up your amazing work my man.
It's so weird how hard this show pushes the message that ancient people were advanced enough to form a globe conquering civilization but also not advanced enough to invent buildings.
@@NinjapowerMS Traces of human activity could linger on to infinity. Vegetation, storms, fires, frost, rust, earthquakes and burrowing animal activity would erase most of our visible traces within a thousand years, but the ruins of some massive concrete structures might remain for millennia.
@@NinjapowerMS Shit lasts a damn long time. Hell, even nuclear waste can be dated over thousands of years with pretty simple radiometric dating, so a future society could see we split the atom.
Speaking about immediate bad vibes, back in 2019 my husband and I were house hunting and one of the properties we were being shown just set off every alarm in my head. It might have been because of the _very_ distinct smell of mould and must, but there was an immediate sense of "No, bad, got to get out now".
@@lordfelidae4505 Classic Demon. My flat has these patches of black growth on the walls and ceilings, I thought it was mold but my landlord supplied a priest and turns out it's demon piss.
My uncle actually just so happened to bring up Gobekli Tepe and how people back then couldn’t possibly even lift the stones of it without something like anti-gravity tech. Lord help my brain.
Meanwhile strongmen contestants lift, push and pull couple of hundred kilos. Few dozen strong people, some engineering and you are good to go. Is it difficult and time consuming to build monoliths? Yes, but it is doable. Humans may have had only primitive tools 11 000 years ago, but they weren't idiots, lol.
There is a whole sport in europe sorrounding lifting heavy rocks barehanded. Why wouldn’t some strong person from the time looked at a rock & tought “bet I can lift that barehanded”.
The hilarious part is that they use a picture of a scorpion and immediately assume it refers to the constellation Scorpio even though the oldest references of that constellation we have, identified it as an eagle and it wasn't changed to a scorpion until something like 500BCE.
Part of the theory he presents is that the possible original civilization teached a lot of things to other civilizations, agriculture among them, for agriculture you would need to measure the time, which can be done by using the Stars in the night sky. Going from that it's possible that the names of the constellations was also passed down in some manner or other. We know that things like gods and stories have been transferred over different cultures, and so have stars, Orion's Belt is called as such even if you are not in ancient Greece.
Milo casually taking a break from shaming pseudoscience to shame his poor cat in a faint Masshole accent is weirdly amusing to me. Slainte from Vermont. 💚
14:05 That preternatural feeling of dread is so frustrating because you know that it's either 1) just the brain being fucky 2) your subconscious noticing something sinister that you didn't It doesn't help that you only ever hear stories about people's mysteries danger sense saving them from an ax murderer or feral muskrat and not the 99% of the time when your amygdala decides it's gonna give you a lil spook just for fun
I think it’s your brain treating it like if a forest is quiet. “This place that almost always involves a certain presence has no current signs of that presence, so some threat must have suppressed them.”
You forgot to mention that Serpent mound underwent significant restoration a little over 100 years ago, which could easily explain misalignment. Also, if you do Hancock's exact alignment method to date it, you get different values for the head and the tail.
I mean, you wouldn't expect perfect alignment anyway considering these people were likely doing it by eye and simple tools and didn't have modern equipment.
"You won't let me come to your sacred site and defile it physically while disparaging it verbally!?! And you won't let me film it and put it in a documentary that will be distributed by a major streaming service to millions of people!?!?! Blah First Amendment Blah Thought Police Blah Orwellian Blah!"- Graham Hancock's Thought Process
@@kingofnonation5843 But it’s not on a reserve- it’s owned by Ohio State archaeological society. It’s still very idiotic to claim “muh first amendment” when arguing to deface a sacred site. Imo he should be banned from more
This video perfectly encapsulates why Milo is such a great and entertaining debunker, whereas some other debunkers can easily come across as obnoxious to someone not 100% on their side to begin with. When Hancock started talking about the feeling of dread, Milo didn't start making fun of him, calling him a woo peddler or yelling about him not being scientific enough, he actually listened and referred back to a similar experience he had once had, noting that while it wasn't something scientific it is a real subjective phenomenon that people sometimes experience in certain places. It doesn't feel like someone out to make fun of someone with a different viewpoint, it actually comes across that he wants to engage with the claims and show why they're either false or lacking plausible evidence.
Hey man! I really enjoy your content. And, I really enjoyed Graham Hancock's document to some extend since I am really interested in archeology (as a hobby, since it is not possible to live a decent life as an archaeologist in my country even though you come across artifacts from various civilizations everywhere,) and I was really happy to see "mainstream media" showing some interest in these sites. I am not an expert, but I have been to Göbekli Tepe twice (I live in Turkey, btw). And while we were exploring the cite, they mentioned that this stone proves that one bird species known as Kelaynak ("Geronticus eremita" or "Northern bald ibis"), which is endangered and mainly lives in the conservation park in Birecik, has been living in these lands longer than what has been assumed and that they have migrated to this land for about 12000 years. And I was really surprised to hear Graham say these carvings have "abstract" meaning. I mean, yes, we do not know their exact meaning, but the archaeologists at Göbekli Tepe state that these carvings provide some details regarding the fauna of this place at that time. I wish (real) archaeologists had gotten this funding and provided insights about these places.
I like how he starts with drinking water, then moves onto tea, the coffee, then coke, and finally alcohol… really good arch silently explaining how tired of having to do this he is.
I means hes not forced to do it! People are free the believe what they want. Sure its a shame that netflix was willing to throw money at Graham Hancock but not at actual archeologists but GH is just more entertaining than actual history. Its more fun to a lot of people to hear about Atlantis than real work in the field. With that being said, Milo does a good job at being entertaining, so giving this guy a show could be a good idea, or at least worth considering.
@Frank Gariépy I get that its more fun to watch BS but Netflix has a responsibility not to pass off BS as truth. This isnt a Pixar style movie about Atlantis, its a documentary passing itself off as true. Your epistemic responsibility goes being merely doing and believing and sharing whats fun and what you would rather believe.
Seriously, as a kid I LOVED the shows just like Graham Hancock made and of course didn't know any better. Thank you for doing this series. I absolutely love your educated take on it and I feel like you're doing a service to make up the disservice of ignorance that's being put out there.
When I was a preteen budding Atheistic No Good Nik in the early 70's, & Erich Von Deniken's Chariots of the Gods was big, I got a cheap paperback edition & couldn't wait to wave it in my Devoutly Catholic Mom's face "See, Jesus was a Space Alien, those Halo's are all Helmets!!!". I didn't know it was all BS by an inherently Racist charlatan making money off equally gullible 11 year old fools like me. But neither did my Mom, who was still an enthusiastic Eugenicist, as that was accepted science in her childhood (as was Piltdown Man), so it was Cool.
As someone who works in film and video, that "business email in the description" covering up the Coke can logo has me laughing my ass off within the first thirty seconds. Well done.
These two Turkish archeological sites are one of the few instance where "This changes our understanding of history forever" applies. Also, I second you on that weird feeling you can get in certain locations, be it ruins of times gone by, memorials and other such places
@@divinitygaming8673 Seljuk Turks arrived before Ottomans but yeah, they were originally native to Central Asia, but the country is Turkey, no matter how much statue profile pictures hate to admit it's not Constantinople.
Story about the constellations and why they are stupid : one night my mom and I were incredibly sleep deprived and star gazing. An interesting combination. We were looking for constellations when I got fed up because I couldn't find any and said "it all just looks like Mario mushrooms to me" which caused fits of laughter. To this day, a decade later, my family and I will mention how the sky is full of mushrooms. I would pay money if I could watch descendants 1200 years from now try and figure out what "mushrooms in the sky" means. People back then were just that. People. They were human. We need to stop treating them like aliens
Talking about the cave paintings - I've been to Lascaux. The very rare depiction of a human hunter, so tiny and stick like in comparison to the other animals - and also the carved lion, a hidden predator only seen from certain angles - it is so cool, and I think like a lesson on survival and "worship". But you reminded me of it, I hadn't thought about it in years.
Now he just needs to read “doesn’t carbon-14 dating disprove the Bible?” On answers in Genesis, to stop the misinformation of carbon dating proving an old earth
My favourite thing about Milo is his infectious enthusiasm about archeology. You can't listen to him speak about it without his excitement rubbing off on you
@@TheCrowned23 Hancock has said he is not an archeologist and has no degree in archeology or any related field. I’m not sure, in all seriousness, how you came to the conclusion that Hancock is so much more educated on this topic in comparison to Milo. Amateur archeologists absolutely exists, so one doesn’t necessarily need a degree to be educated in this field. However, to say Milo is 1/10 less informed on this topic, in comparison to Hancock who is admittedly not an archeologist, doesn’t hold much weight. And how did you come to the conclusion that Milo has seen less than 10% of the data in regards to this subject? If you watched this video, as well as part 1 and 2, I find it rather hard to believe he hadn’t spent quite a bit of time researching and educating himself/ being educated by experts.
I very much agree, but also wanna ride your comment's, coat tail. On the point of the mastodon possible butcher site, I am inclined to really believe it, as most civilizations or nomads, or any sort of intelligent animal, lives near fresh water, or a sort of water source, or travels to and fro, so it's more then likely early hominids lives by rivers more the usually and through passages of time, get buried or eroded away, hidden, scavenged, and many more possibilities which are all likely, but not certain, and is not even certain half of hominids lived by rivers, or lakes, as other sources are available, per say like the Mississippi River, has probably hundreds of locations of signs of old hominids, and a big reason is, over thousands of Arrow heads were found near or in or around, the river, and it's almost impossible to catalog every rock that looks like a spear tip or arrow head or clay pots, and more, I'm kinda tired of typing lol, this is just a thought I had mid video so idk
I'm Navajo and it's always hilarious how many let's say "eurocentric" talking heads never can accept the fact we got along with other tribes and shared so much. Needing to know when the solstices were was important to get ahead of winter and know when to plant corn, squash, beans etc.
theres a reason why the north american natives had so many myths, legends and traditions: its a effective way to store information with a high accuracy for a long time without a writing system. and im actually kinda impressed that most of the north american tribes didnt even settle down and that all of them didnt manage to develop metal working. might have been the most advanced stonge age civs known with the inuit even regressing back into the bone age (pre stone age) to keep going. im also certain that you may love this: the first british settlers where so badly prepared that they couldnt have survived without the help of the natives (if you ever heared of the lost roanoke colony: its suspected that they joined a nearby native tribe). so much for the supremacy of the settlers. to bad that someone had the brilliant idea to try to sort folks by superficial details. or assume a lower rank of advancement based on nothing that material use.
@@Irobert1115HDsome tribes had copper tools. besides that, metallurgy was not needed considering how successful they all were without them. some things that native peoples did were much more advanced than europeans gave them credit for. their tactics of preservation of nature were so well thought out and planned and precise. not to mention, europeans were regularly dying from living in their own sewage while most native tribes knew millenia before europe did that you shouldnt shit where you eat and drink.
@@davechongle ok the copper tools where something i didnt know but i knew that the meso and south americans where capable of metal working with motlen gold so its not to far off to assume that someone would figure out basic metalurgy for tools. thanks for the info.
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You’re an atheist, right? I’m assuming so. Which is Gucci, cause I am too
I don't agree with the theme because they look up at the sky if they were a hunter gatherers they would move and they would know where to go because the weather would be warmer down south to navigate so they could get food that they are gathering and follow other animals do the same Like birds migrate other animals migrate their food source would be and once the gained planting crops those same type of constellations and time knowledge would tell them when to plant the crops when to do what to make those crops grow best they would know winter and where to be to eat and to do the things to make food archaeologist could look into cultures they're still hunter gatherers to this day and by the way maybe look at religion just for a little bit of context then you can learn something Believe me just throwing anything as a myth or legend or a just a story if you don't look at it as being true you are going to miss something very important there are a number of Things that you can mix together to make the truth come out and they will line up
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Well, to get a look at Karahan Tepe, you made me watch about 10 minutes of episode 5. But, cool.
My old anthro prof beat it into our heads that our ancestors, no matter how far back, were just as intelligent, just as clever, just as capable as we are, they lacked technology and literacy but not brains.
Every gain that we have made in relation to them has as its counterpoint a loss of us compared to them.
The important thing to remember is that all our technological advancements are build off of the things our ancestors discovered. We're not the smart humans just because we made wi-fi, we could only make wifi because of the cumulative innovation of our species, starting from banging rocks together to shape them into tools.
Ok that is true.
Humans have always been clever, ooga booga or not.
@@knighthunter1791 exactly
I think what you’re failing to consider is clearly a more advanced alternative historian visited Graham Hancock from the sea and taught him how to construct alternative histories. You don’t just wake up one day and decide to create a new alternate history.
"clearly a more advanced alternative historian visited Graham Hancock"
Most underrated comment of the last month!
"You don't just wake up one day and decide to create a new alternative history."
I know that you're making a joke here, but a fair number of authors have done exactly that.
You don't just wake up one day and decide to make videos to debunk someone elses theories... Oh wait, that is exactly what happens....
😂 we're clearly all being lied to. Home run comment
@@bluupadoop Liar.
“A fist full of rings and a head full of geology” is a priceless line. Thanks for the show, Milo.
Me when my brain hurts but I dress up in a shit ton of sparkling jewelry to feel better,
"a head full of fists and rings full of geology"
Came to the comments just for this line 😅
Baller quote
I love the snippet of Milo going through the ghost town like “I may be a man of science but my chemo-electric anxiety machine is telling me this place is bad shaped and I’m gonna take it at its word”
There is something to be said for trusting evidence that you can't quite explain. Like someone who doesn't know why there's a weird cloud sitting on Mount Vesuvius but decides maybe now is a good time to take a day trip across the bay.
@ what an absolutely fantastic way to describe that. I couldn’t have hoped for a better response
Karahan Tepe's TV debut being on Ancient Apocalypse is hella depressing. That would be like if our first photos of a black hole were revealed on an episode of Ancient Aliens.
Nice analogy. Unfortunately.
Even more depressing is that the Hancock fans will only take away from the series that science is lying about history.
@@NinjaMonkeyPrime it's the same people that don't understand Joe Rogen is a low key nazi
To be fair, it’s not tv, it’s just Netflix.
Considering how much more prevalent netflix has become when compared to tv. That's likely not a good thingk
Using Graham Hancock's philosophy, the Gobekli Tepe vulture carving depicts a bird holding an orb, which is iconic in the Metroid series of video games as depicting a Chozo holding poweups for Samus. Since the iconography is similar, it clearly means the Gobekli Tepe carvings depict an ancient race of bird aliens and the Metroid series was based on this *clearly true* folklore, meaning that giant alien bird people exist and visited both ancient Turkey and 1990's Japan.
It actually means that Gobekli Tepe was the first piece of advertising that Nintendo ever did, by their 2098 time travel marketing department
This is all tracks.
Now THIS in the archeology that modern archeologists don’t want you to know.
@@riley3087😅
is raven beak like chozo hitler but he succeeded
Hancock: "These civilizations were incapable of piling dirt and stones on their own!"
Also Hancock: "This construction must be older because they didn't precisely mathematically align it to the sunrise!"
Hancock: now I will make a buck off of those gullible idiots foolish enough to believe my arguments......
@@varyolla435I like Hancock and I’ve never given him a buck. Are you on your period?
"Archaeology is the study of quite literally everything" well said. my physics teacher said the same thing about physics, my finance teacher said the same thing about finance. much of what we do is fundamentally interdisciplinary and strongly founded upon cooperation and sharing knowledge. people who insist that shit like atlanteans or whatever did it are just unable to accept that human beings are far naturally better at that than those tiny minds think
Being Turkish, I really heavily appreciate your commitment to helping earthquake victims in smaller villages and townships. Those people were forgotten, both by the state and NGOs.
Beyond that, Göbekli Tepe is one of the proudest elements of my country. Its preservation is paramount to archeology and the commitment Turks make to preserve it actively fills me with pride.
oh how I wish for erdogan to lose and a decent government taking charge
& Syria? Is anything getting through?
Hope you & all get by, & make it back to "normal" +/- . :)
@@MichaelMikeTheRussianBot Syria wasn't hit as bad. It's more complicated to provide them support considering how the country is an active warzone.
@@thevideoistheking8834 , yeah I saw Israel publicly threatened to blow up any aid going there. Didn't know if anybody was taking the risk, & doing it anyway. What also made me ask was that there are a lot of people & organizations here (US) requesting donations to help "Syria & Turkey", then later in the video or ad, there's qualifications, or outright statements, that they likely can't help Syrians.
[Bill Wurtz voice] Turkey gets a brand new Turkey! 🎵
As someone with ADHD I can clearly imagine myself waking up and thinking: "you know what, let's make an artificial hill from exceeding terraces."
Same. I mean I woke up one day and was like I’m gonna dig a really big hole once, I did that
Make a really big hill is just a step up
"You know what would look great on this hill? More hills, sculpted of dirt!" - my autistic ass, apparently in a previous life
Imagine a movie about a large ancient tribe with a sort of Forrest Gump character who one day just starts to build a hill on top of the hill. At first the tribe thinks he's crasy and pays him little mind, but in time he manages to inspire them so much they start to help.
@@Rusminin I would watch that, it sounds hilarious
I was chilling at a beach with about 6 of my friends and then we randomly dug a huge hole
Stacking a lot of rocks is just the next step
So, when I first saw the vulture stone my first thought was "Oh hey, that's a Chozo!", proving *beyond a shadow of a doubt* that ancient mesopotamiens were trying to tell us that Metroid games rock.
Dang that's incredible! When are you getting your Netflix deal?
That seems a perfectly reasonable hypothesis and holds together better then a lot of ancient apocalypse. My only question is are you thinking that both the ancients and the creators of metroid were visited by the same aliens or a secret cult that passed the knowledge down until video games could be made?
I accept this hypothesis as fact because it is too cool not to be 100% true.
they were so eager tell future people what happened and what will happen. like we do, tell people in 5tsd years our lifes.
Samus Aran sacrificed everything but her arm cannon to carve that relief
The thing that amuses me most is the idea that these are "messages for the future" from a society even partially as advanced as ours. Because the thing is-a 10000 year time capsule is not an insurmountable problem. There have actually been modern efforts to figure out how communication on that scale is possible in order to mark nuclear waste sites-because, on the possibility our society falls, those sites will remain dangerous for tens of thousands of years.
A lot of ideas have been considered-hostile architecture of massive black spikes to induce fear or superstition, communications written in dozens of languages on the off chance even one of them can be cracked-it is a really interesting problem, especially considering that we have no way of knowing if any of our cultural values would remain and so every assumption we might make needs to be considered. Shit is literally like the plot of Arrival.
You know what literally no one suggested? "Let's stack some rocks in a way vaguely designed to point towards a random constellation and call it good."
Any society of humans even a fraction as advanced as Graham Hancock proposes would be advanced enough to not need random shit to convey meanings. If you can have stuff like the pyramids build, what you do is fill those pyramids with things that unambiguously communicate how advanced you were (Advanced metallurgy would be a good example, as would complex tools), leave a bunch of clear writing and clear directions and expect that the nature of the structure will keep it secure.
It's really telling that one of the hallmarks of our society (the development of styles of art capable of photorealism), seemingly no one from this advanced society ever developed a style more advanced than the bronze age or thought that carving a bunch of depictions of advanced technology with technical explanations of how it works and maybe some advanced mathematics for shits and giggles might communicate to a future advanced society that someone on their level was behind making these things. Hell it doesn't even need to be carved. Stack rocks in a way that communicates a few dozen digits of Pie or shows that you know a whole bunch of prime numbers-it would be instantly recognizable. If the best your society can do is maybe an image of a scorpion-you're not that advanced a society. People in the Bronze Age figured out "Write important things on stone walls and they'll last thousands of years".
Thank you again for putting the work in! The scene of Serpent Mound with the two people standing in front of the tail, those people are Chiefs Glenna Wallace and Ben Barnes of The Eastern Shawnee and Shawnee tribes of Oklahoma. As a descendant myself I thank you for mentioning that the indigenous people associated with these sites are still alive today and still hold a sacred connection to what the Ancestors have left behind! Greatly appreciated! Niyawe!
Hell yeah
What does Niyawe mean please? Just an English chap interested in learning thanks.
@@TheSpeartip I thank you. Niyawe ki wasi lepwa is a common greeting it means thank you for being well
This whole series comes off as an exasperated college professor's hour long rant, because an alarming amount of students cited Ancient Aliens as their source. I love it. XD
And Ancient Aliens could've been a credible scientific documentation. All it takes is finishing off on how unlikely the theories are. Nothing wrong with speculating and adding some wild theories in the mix, but the conclusions, the piece of knowledge that comes from it has to be sound.
That's how the why files does it @@HappyBeezerStudios
agreed, nothing wrong with speculative science in and of itself, all of advanced physics is basically an effort in speculative science. the problem is guys like Hancock who go "hmm that's a cool idea, lets make it the truth regardless of supporting facts"
@@kevinmay7935"speculative science" is literally just fiction. The show could still have great entertainment value if they were transparent and honest about the validity of their "evidence" instead of presenting it all as fact and misrepresenting the interviews from the experts.
when i die i'll ask god how many college professors would agree with this statement
Thank you Graham Hancock for getting me interested in ancient human history. Its a fascinating topic, unfortunately I want to know the facts backed by evidence. So here I am learning what we really know, and its been wonderful.
And this comment to me is the attitude one should have towards science and history. Nothing wrong with how you got into it but how you spend the time after is just as important. Hes got interesting ideas but real history has work, and your doing that work, so good on you! 🔥👏
Hear hear friend
Graham Hancock is the Freud of archaeology. People will advance the field just to prove him wrong.
Graham got me interested in ancient history too. Enough so that I took some archaeology courses in college and learned that Graham doesn't really do archaeology. He's more like a Victorian Antiquarian where he just decides something is what he thinks it is without any evidence.
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Dear Milo, I just had the opportunity to watch this video and what you did brought me to tears even though 1 year has passed since the earthquake, as a Turkish citizen. It is so valuable that you helped us when your own work requires a lot of funds! I followed you from everywhere to support you and I hope Türkiye will lead you to incredible discoveries 🙏🏻. Always stay the way you are! Lots of love and huge THANK YOU💐
Milo is like that one substitute teacher who just rocks up one day to fill in for a teacher in a totally unrelated class, tells you some wild ass facts about ancient history or whatever and then you only ever see him in the hallways or in other classrooms after that one lesson
manic pixie teacher
He's probably also the cool subsistute that lets you listen to music or do something fun in your free time
Made u learn? Bad sub
@@TheGoodShipBlue Made you learn? Never! Made you *want* to learn? Yes, because what he was talking about was interesting.
@@hoppytoad79tbh the real history of these places often is mindnumbingly boring. Hancock - while often wrong - is at least entertaining in a “switch your brain off and imagine it was real to be invested in the story” way.
As a person living in Turkey, I would like to thank you for your efforts! We never forget the aid we get.
We’re Praying for you, family, friends, and of course for your Country
The earthquake was very traumatic for Turkey. It unearthed many Armenian graves.
Stop genociding people.
I wish you, yours, and the peoples of your country well.
@@ThugShakers4Christ I only know about history from Hancock, did the Armenians mass murder and bury lots of Turkish people?
The "how did they lift them" thing always cracks me up, because they never actually speculate on it. They never go into any detail with, say, examples of the possibilities (such as the myriad we know of they could have used to lift these stones. Like the Egyptians. They were big on record keeping.) like you did. They just leave it up to your imagination, because aliens. It's something I noticed a couple years back and it sticks out like a sore thumb to me, now.
By presenting a "problem" and then not offering a solution, they're implying that the problem is insurmountable by any reasonable means
No one ever asks how they lifted stones for old temples, castles, and buildings generally. Apparently it was just the pyramids the aliens did.
@@lewisham aliens hate white people. Except the Nazis, apparently. Ancient Aliens is basically just white supremacy with extra steps
@@lewisham They totally ask that about old temples, castles, and buildings. They just never ask about european ones that aren't stone henge.
Graham Hancock has said in many interviews that he believes the stones were moved by either singing to them or telekinesis. For him actual manual labor of any sort is inconceivable.
so graham hancock thinks that the builders of gobekli tepe could figure out what position constellations would be thousands of years in the future but they weren’t smart enough to figure out how to dig and stack rocks
Pretty much......
I really appreciate that you talked about him feeling dread and explaining that you understand that feeling in old/odd places. We''re all human and have emotional reactions to things and it is important for us to remember that.
Several weeks ago I saw an Instagram post talking about a 60,000 year old library in Tibet, complete with stacks of written scrolls. I commented that it was nonsense. I have never had so many replies to a comment on Instagram and most were not friendly. I was called an idiot, a clown, that I've been brainwashed by mainstream historians, and asked if I was aware of the ancient advanced civilisation in Turkey in the Ice Age. Amongst all the vitriol, it was suggested that I needed to educate myself by listening to someone from outside the mainstream lies... Graham Hancock.
*edited* my condolences
Tiktok is a weird place. Everyone believes everything 100%. It’s so easy to troll with ridiculous obviously untrue statements and people will say “actually…”
They believe whatever the video says 100%.
That’s what happens when you disturb their echo chamber.
@@mewopswisher5342condolences*
You should tell them you have a bridge in Atlantis to sell.
25:40 oh my god the way he just plops down a cat like another one of his lesson materials. The whole start of Lesson 6 has immaculate vibes.
I actually grew up in Southern Ohio, took many field trips to Serpants Mound. It's not just a cultural heritage site; it's also a cemetery, there are burial mounds right next to it. When we were kids we were heavily chastised for wanting run and play up the little hills... cause they were actually graves. If the Ohio state park coordinator didn't feel comfortable turning a Native American burial ground into a film set for a conspiracy show, I certainly don't blame them...
Quite an important piece of context in regards to the history of the mound. No one wants a cemetery where your ancestors and/or loved ones rest turn into a documentary location.
Doesn't Octagon Mound have a golf course on it? Incredible.
I respect however anyone wishes to honor their dead, but I actually think it would be really cool to turn graveyards into places where it's socially acceptable to chill and have lunch or whatever. I see graveyards as a receptacle of love. It's just a big field full of rotting meat and bones in theory, but in practice its the place where you show your loved ones how much you care. That you don't want the world to forget how great they were. A place for friends and family to gather and remember their life. I find a great sense of peace there and would love to see people bringing flowers and a picnic basket and then playing frisbee.
Just as a response to you playing on the hills as a kid. Seems to me dead people would not want the land they were laid to rest in be just off limits to all of humanity
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 i agree, my father is buried in a very lovely place by the river and i love to go there for picnic lunch and have a nice time.
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 Didn't the Victorians used to do this? Cemeteries are nice places full of nature.
"The only thing permission would have given you is just allowing you to be wrong on the other side of a fence". Pure gold!
As an indigenous person, thank you for acknowledging serpent mounds importance!! The mounds of our people across the USA have been desecrated so much over the years that what little we have left is to be protected and treasured. It is a religious place that brings spiritual peace to so many ppl, myself included.
There's no "our people", indigenous people in America where far from united enough for you to consider them "our people"
@@Lardum Wow what a salty bigot! Add some vinegar and you're one tasty chip 🎉
@@Lardum cmon bruh
@@Lardum they are united, in part, by the common oppression and colonization by european colonizers.
@@Lardum Really? That's what you got from the comment?
I've been watching your short and long content for at least a year now and cannot believe i only just found the time to sit with this series! My wife and i are enjoying it and plan to watch the source material after just to critique over some drinks lol. Thanks for the work sir, you and the team are a fabulous addition to the Internet as a whole
I wonder why it is so hard for people to accept that older peoples could stack rocks good. Baffles me to no end.
Try to lift one. 😂
Because us, technologically superior beings, tend to really condescend to and belittle the ancient peoples of the far past. People like Graham Hancock work on these prejudices to make his narratives of Atlantis stick. We think, "Oh, those primitive savages couldn't have possibly done something more impressive than us, especial, superior modern humans! It must've been the Atlatians/the aliens/what have you who taught them to do these impressive feats with very heavy rocks! That explains it!"
😂 stack rocks good? Giza is a 13 billion pound stone structure made of millions of stones that weighed thousands of pounds each dragged from 100s of miles away, thousands of years before modern technology. It’s very easy to see why some people can’t accept it 😂
@@vlastakadric4206found the idiot who thinks we can't move rocks
@@verdugo2043The argument "because it would be difficult" is very weak. Obviously it would be difficult, but the entirety of human history is just the same tale of "humans are stubborn bastards" told over and over.
If a bunch of humans decide they want to build a giant stack of rocks, even if it's difficult, they'll figure out a way to do it. Same way that humans decided they wanted to go to the moon, and then did it.
my favorite thing about the "ancient peoples left cryptic signs warning us about the end of the world" is that when we try to warn our distant hypothetical decendants about dangerous things we make it as obvious as possible, we put up a literal sign that says "dont go anywhere near this it will kill you." we even thought of putting massive terrifying spikes around the dangerous stuff we've made so people dont go anywhere near it. so why the hell would the ancients make it a puzzle????
We're still trying to figure out a comprehensible warning that would be understood even if civilization collapsed completely. But yes, ancient peoples made riddles out of their warnings because reasons. Riddles and puzzles get lost in translation a lot faster than *Danger: Keep Out* signs.
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No? Just… no. Civilizations don’t do ‘encoded messages’, if you’re keeping something out or keeping people away, you build a wall. Humans have done that for thousands of years. We builds walls and spikes, not weird coded encrypted messages.
HAHSHSHAHA exactly. it's not like we've been trying for decades to warn new generations about how doomed our energy source (oil) system is and how global warming, desertification, death of biomas, ocean rising and all is a threat to us all as a race. and definitely, if we tried hard enough, the signs would be there, in a mystical way lol I hate how conspiracy theories make it sound like there are no real threats or issues to care about.
Obviously our distant ancestors were a bit too much into the legend of Zelda.
"Boil the water, idjits! -love, Ancients", would be a good one too.
I live in Ohio, a couple months ago myself and a few friends decided to go camping in the area Serpent Mound is located, and decided to visit it. We watched this right before wr visited...
There are now no less than 12 different signs in several areas throughout the trails, park, the Mound itself, and pulling into the parking lot prohibiting the use of drones, and I felt the need to inform Milo of this information 😂
It is awe inspiring by the way, absolutely gorgeous to look at and walk around.
That is really funny 😂
I thought Ohio was a myth like Atlantis!
@@Rat_Bastard_of_BlackwaterOf course Ohio is a myth, have you ever been there? Don't believe this DEEP STATE SHILL, Ohio has never existed and the GOVERNMENT REFUSES to acknowledge Ohio's pointed absence from everyone's memory. Everyone who claims to have been to Ohio, or even to have lived there is CLEARLY a PAID ACTOR who is HIDING the TRUTH from us!!1!
God it's harder to write that sort of thing than I thought. Did I get the ABSURD CAPITALIZATION correct?
"You don't just wake up one day & decide to build this" OK but I have adhd & that's exactly how I make decisions.
I wake up & I'm like "I should learn how to weld so I can make a 12 foot tall metal skeleton for my front lawn"
You mean to tell me that no one else has been like me ever?
@ConnorMartinCMB how do you believe anyone comes up with a thought do you believe people need to see something before they can think about it?
Honestly same. "Screw my backlog of homework and chores, I'm gonna go through all the D&D books in the basement and make a list of all the playable races" - me like a year ago
I too spend too much money on new hobbies that I hyper focus on for about 3 months and then don't pick up again for anywhere from 2 years to never😂😂😂😂
I see a few comments like that. Definitely adhd things
He means that it would take at least a few weeks or months to organise all the people required to build such a site
Graham Hancock is 1000% more interested in his own “cool” version of history that he has imagined. It’s kinda adorable, if he weren’t so dishonest about being wrong
Actually he is only interested in = the 💰version of pseudo-history......... 🤨
Ol' Graham's books, right or wrong, make people think ...
I like his work. He asks (and raises) intriguing questions.
That’s because the actual history of all these places is usually mindnumbingly boring tbh. Even though Hancock is wrong, he’s wrong in a Da Vinci code style way, like an “imagine if it was actually real it would be exciting, so I’ll turn my brain off and imagine it is for entertainment” way.
@@xStarblazer Wich would be perfectly fine if he presented it as such, but he presents it as fact, and often attacks others for not considering his version of history as fact
I appreciate people who imagine alternate histories that are a whole lot more exciting than reality, and write them down and sell them - as FICTION. Trying to present it as fact when it doesn't fit the evidence and there are widely accepted theories that DO fit the evidence? That's just fraud.
I live a ten minute walk away from these mounds and the nearby school taught me how important it was to wonder if it was a burial mound, a viewpoint for the sky, or if it was for watching for invaders, fascinating things to learn about when you can hike up to it. It does stand out from the forest
tell us more!
Milo: How about you back your theory up with a source.
Graham Hancock: My source is I made it the fuck up!
Ancient peoples: Had some degree of sophistication
Hancock: Nanomachines.
@@Edmund-od7mv NANOMACHINES SON.
The worst part is that folklore history about stars is so fucking cool. Like the Pleiades, a cluster of stars referred to as the seven sisters in a lot of cultures despite there being 6 visible. In most of the stories, the seventh is dead or in hiding, because there ARE actually seven of them. Two are just so close you can’t tell them apart, so it’s likely the cultures saw this and made the story to match! So it’d be really fucking cool if the vulture stone had any relation to the stars, but it clearly doesn’t.
Typical conspiracy theorist,all ancient aliens,no humans.
“ i feel a sense of dread” as he is surrounded by 10 enormous, rock hard slongs. Me too Graham, me too
Hancock: Big Academia ignores anything that rewrites history!
Big Academia: That’s weird, you have a boner for Gobekli Tepe, which we are actively investigating in order to update our understanding of ancient peoples
He's got a point. There are some vids here on TH-cam from years back on the search for Dwarka and the resistance to finding it. It was a myth, until it wasn't. The 'experts' told us that the Amazon basin only had a few hundred thousand people, in small villages. LIDAR has proven that to be resoundingly wrong. Entire cities have been found found in the desert that supposedly only had nomadic bands of herdsman.
@@shadohdanceyahsurehow did they resist finding it?
did they say "please don't look for it. Please!" Or did they just say there is no good evidence for it, until there was?
@@shadohdanceyahsurethat’s how science works. You can’t just make claims. You have to back it up with actual evidence. You can’t just say “people did this or that or civilization is tens of thousands of years older” without anything substantiating the claim. All a person can do is go off the best information available. Last I checked “people saying things” isn’t evidence of anything.
@@shadohdanceyahsurethat's literally science, a thing can be theorized to exist but it's assumed that it doesn't until there's direct evidence. Giant squid were thought to be fictional sea monsters until they washed up on beaches.
So it's absurd anyone could just wake up and decide to build Gobekli Tepe, but Hancock's entire premise is that someone from Atlantis woke up and decided to build Gobekli Tepe.
Then they also travelled the planet teaching others to build in different styles everywhere they landed.
The site is something like 300 yards across and took 1600 years to develop. I don't think anybody just woke up one morning with that length of time and end result in mind. Hancock's brain is so fried from decades of drug abuse that his concept of doing something "overnight" or "suddenly" no longer fits with reality.
I built that shit, hell I got the deed. It’s 15 years old at best.
@@Eyes_Open Different architecture majors going around spreading their style without telling anoyne, because everyone elses sucks and their way of building stuff is correct. That's obviously what happened, people just wanting to prove themselves so they spent time in poorer places and built their designs with a really cheap workforce. The black pyramid was obviously built by a dropout.
Jokes aside, it really is pointless to try to make believers of these theories realise their mistakes. If stuff this obvious can be ignored, how does any argument matter? No one will listen to it anyway, except people that already realised how dumb the theories are.
Archeologists said for centuries that there was no civilization 10,000 years ago. Hancock et al said there was. Archeologists were wrong, Hancock et al were right.
A theory I have about cave art is that the reason we most often see animals that they hunted is because the artists simply had easiest access to these animals to look at. Imagine you’re an artist living in hunter gatherer time and your buddies come back with a bull, and they lay it out to clean up to prepare it. That’s an artists time to accurately sketch it and practice so you can do your cool wall art later. This is coming from a professional artists perspective. That’s what I would do. And although these cave pieces tell the story of a whole people from that time, the art also tells a very specific story of the individuals who made those pieces. Cause think about it, in your community there are individuals who make a large majority of the art because it’s their hobby or their calling. So cave paintings in a single location very well could have all been made by just a small handful of individuals. And if we go down that path, what is that individual thinking while also taking into account the wants and influence of the community on that artist. So fun to think about!
I like the more recent theory that they're actually child drawings. because if you're a child I'm sure the first time you get a good look at a predator animal is the only time you'll see it- and you're not making it back to the cave.
@@sd5371 By "Child drawings" do you mean drawings intended to educate children on predators? "Child drawings" really sounds like it's implying it was drawn by a child, not for a child.
The cave were not places where people lived, it was only intended for rituals. They came in there to reunite betWeen tribes for partocular events but lived outside
36:23 _"they blocked me on..._ *PINTEREST"* really cracked me up lol
I'm sure if we knew less about Pompeii and Herculaneum they'd be on Graham's list of rapidly buried places.
Technically Pompeii was rapidly buried-
@@cassieanderson3936 - @korstmahler8358 meant "buried on purpose".
Imagine Hancock's joy in describing the brothels his ancient, wise sages frequented when they were not busy philosophising in Antarctica.
Brothels may be your thing today, but I understand they were also widely used in the ancient world. Some creeds even had sacred prostitutes. I believe that (damn this failing memory) some even required a spell as such a 'priestess' as a Rite Of Passage.@@RichWoods23
I can totally see him saying the Ancient ones glassed the city with their starships, because they invoked their wrath.... actually that sounds like a cool concept for a sci-fi novel, will get started on it, don't steal.
Hancock: "Archeologists can't ever admit they were wrong or change their minds!"
Archeologists: "We thought only agricultural societies made megalithic structures, but then we found Göbekli Tepe so that changed our minds."
Hancock: "Noooooooo it was a secret civilization of psychic farmers."
Yup, a very impoortant thing in science. Admit when you're wrong and help advance the research in the newly proven theory.
just imagine psychic farming tho.. relaxing in the pool with a drink while driving the tractor!!
@@elitereptilian200 IRL farming sim yes plz
History and anthropology change as me information.comes in.
@@orenashkenazi9813lol wait a second lol technically slavery would be sort of farming sims pre mid 1800s
The Scorpio constellation was called the leaning coconut tree in Java, the hook of Ma'ui in Hawaii, or the skate and sharks stars (two constellations) in Sulawesi. The mesopotamians and the Greeks did called it a scorpio, but they included the Libra constellation in it, as its claws.
It's funny how, even civilisations that are close to us, don't use the scorpio for the constellation of the scorpio, but I'm supposed to believe that a civilisation 12 000 years ago did ^^
Island people in the indo pacific region aren't really that close to the greater mediterranian area. It keeping that symbolism for 12000 years in the region isn't that hard to believe if we can trace it already for 3000 years, the only problem is that there is no evidence.
@@DatAlien People thousands of kilometers away are more closer than people thousands of years ago ^^'
Especially before writing XD
Banyak Angrem is the more well known name for Scorpio in Javanese. It means "Roosting Swan". But yep, Banyak angrem and Kelapa Doyong (The Leaning Coconut) is indeed the constellation Scorpio in Javanese.
Fun fact: Javanese people also have Zodiac/Horoscope style spiritual belief known as Primbon, which uses Javanese Calendar, Star alignments, and heirloom mysticism.
But that was made when Hinduism and Buddhism was spread in Java in 6th Century AD and further developed my Islamic Missionary in 12th Century AD to help spread Islam and their syncretic variant, *Kebatinan*
It is still practiced today among older Javanese populations for fortune telling and are treated the same way as conventional Horoscope... So yes, Imagine this old person getting excited after reading the Primbon Horoscope section printed on Local Newspaper or Tabloid the same way an average Teenager gets hyped over their Star sign 😅😅
Cultural and Social History is such a neat subject and seriously underappreciated
@@krankarvolund7771 actually they are if you are measuring in travel time, faster travel = faster information exchange and greater distance it spreads
@@justarandomtechpriest1578 Travel time to get to the Javanese islands: around three to four years if you go by foot.
Travel time to get to paleolithic people: 12 000 years.
Yeah, it's much quicker to travel in time than to travel in space :D
"Behold, a Raven" has to be my favorite constellation
The world needs more people like Milo Rossi, who are willing to demonstrate critical thinking for the masses. Thank you!!!
“No one would just wake up and just decide to build this” …I dunno man, I’ve seen the sort of shit Speedrunners just do because they felt like that day. Someone recreated entire cities in Minecraft because they felt like it. I believe humans would just decide build a whole complex structure out of nowhere. That genuinely isn’t that unbelievable to me.
I've seen dudes at the beach build pretty elaborate earthworks just for the fun of it. People spend decades perfecting their rock gardens. Some folks wake up with the urge to make a sculpture. Humans like to make things! It's surprising that ancient people could build such a structure with the technology available to them, but it hardly surprises me that they would want to.
He would've lost his mind seeing pre 10-year-old me go with legos. And I'm not talking about the kits; I had a huge box of bricks that I went nuts with. Good times
I see your point, but it takes a bit more passing when your building materials with several pounds at minimum and have to be dragged to your chosen site...
Not even saying that somebody wouldn't wake up one day and decide they wanted to do that. Just that that would be a very particular kind of person. 😂
@@geoffreyentwistle8176 Idk man, kings/rulers from the past have done some pretty random stuff for the fun of it.
Honestly, Sounds like a dumb idea I would come up with. @@geoffreyentwistle8176
I love how you're an exception to Brandolini's Law with this series "When someone posts false or misleading information online, the effort to refute it is generally an order of magnitude larger than to produce it." But you're essentially box-of-scraps-in-a-cave-ing this dude with a netflix deal and according budget (not that you're not putting a ton of effort it, you obviously are)
😂 😂 😂 Aint that the truth, at home archeology with more evidence and understanding than a hundreds of thousands of dollara produced netflix "documentary"
I do not believe Milo is an exception to Brandolini's Law I believe with this series he is showing evidence for it. I am pretty sure it is taking a lot more effort to refute GH than it is for GH to spill his misinformation. Perhaps you should have started your post with "I love how you're showing compelling evidence for Brandolini's Law with this series". I think I knew where you were coming from, but I wasn't quite sure.
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I didn’t know that there was a named law to describe this problem. Handy!
Uhh it seems like he's putting a great deal of effort into this series but ok
26:35 -- hey, it's the guy with the BA in Communication (me) tapping my MA in Education: Archeologists didn't 'hide' anything. Your social studies and history textbooks are outdated because MY academic discipline works too slowly and needs reformed. Also, new textbooks are expensive and public education is underfunded.
But like construction workers and archeologists, it's not teachers' fault that this is happening! It depends on funding.
If I can bring more context to the Iroquois legend of the snakes in the sky, here is the Wendat perspective (which is related to the Haudenosaunee as most probably know) the snakes in the sky actually relates to the legend of Enoh or the thunderer if you prefer, it is a sort of addenda to the legend itself as elders of my Nation tell it. If you are interested it is found in Barbeau's book "Huron and Wyandot mythology" the first mention in the book is page 45 in the french version. So basically the legend states that the thunderer left in the sky world after humans left it to exit out of a cave located around what is now Quebec city and then later as a spirit stuck in the sky saw giant snakes flying in the sky and then struck them down with its lightning out of what my elders described as boredom and the fall of the MANY snakes created the meandering rivers of north America explaining why they shift over time. Nowhere is it told that we compare the serpent to a comet or anything of such sort. Rather it seems more coherent that both the US and Canada's serpent mounds are a depiction of the animal that moves like a river and thus is seen as a symbol of trade through it.
This commentor is firmly against the Oxford comma.
@justincurll1110 Bro, this was not the comment to make your joke addendum to. They’re sharing relevant, personally important information in good faith. They also obviously have fluency in other languages (ie French) which might influence their usage of grammar norms. Plus, this is an internet comment - nobody but freaks like you and I give a shit about grammar in our internet comments. Chill out 😂
@@justincurll1110 I’m willing to bet that English is your only language
That Milo is better at explaining archeology than some Netflix hack is one thing. But we live in the strange moment in time that even the comments under his video's (like yours) are way more informative than multimillion dollar TV show.
That is very interesting, thank you for the juicy read!
A note on cave paintings being hunting guides, that was absolutely the case occasionally. Many of the mammoths painted in Rouffignac Cave in France have painted tick marks at about the shoulder/upper front leg, as if an individual was tapping it repeatedly with charcoal to denote a hit spot to students. Furthermore, that location lines up with the heart and lungs, and is where the shoulderblades and ribs of disarticulated mammoths occasionally show spearhead injuries.
I now have the idea of an older hunter being like "no you idiots you hit it here, If I see one more spear in a mammoths ass I swear to the sun,..."
Information on caveman culture is so fascinating because it's all really smart and thought out stuff that's just completely without context for us. A lot of cave paintings are probably either there to teach something or to mark some kind of event.
there were also some that had markings next to them that could be interpreted as denoting what month of the year was best for hunting that animal
@@markoconnor4386 probably not too far off, because a mammoth that isn't instantly pretty severely injured might turn and attack hunters-
the multiple tick marks were to encode lunar months.
I've always loved your channel, but I'm just in anthro/archaeo-nerd heaven watching this take-down series. Got my anthro degree back in '93, and though I didn't go on to enter the field professionally, I've always tried to keep up with new discoveries & revisions of what was known back when I was in college. Several years ago, I switched fields, as it were, and became an Episcopal priest. One of the things I love about this episode of yours in particular was your side-bar about Serpent Mound's being not only archaeologically significant to Westerners, but also being culturally and religiously significant to the descendants of its builders. THANK YOU!!! It is absolutely a question of ethics, as you say. Also, the line about having a fist full of rings and a head full of geology is absolute GOLD! :D
Oll ms🎉w
I found your channel a couple of days ago. I've enjoyed every video so far. I feel like I'm in an old school history class and i love it. Thanks for sharing all your knowledge with the world.
The best way to discribe this series is when your teacher starts playing a movie in the end of the year Just so they (and maybe the class) can absolutly demolish the things the movie got wrong about their subject
Stuck in schools too long
They taught me wrong out of date stuff in school though?
My enviro science teacher did that with The Core.
She gave us half a point bonus on the test of our choice for each thing wrong we found
The “you wouldn’t download a house” while talking to Louie had me dying😂
When confirmation bias rules your whole life but then Netflix finally pays out...
this is why you have kids, people, so you can exploit the fact they're a network executive at Netflix....
You mean his family helps him bring his drool content to the mainstream.
I like how, despite some mistakes in your scripts about some of the facts, you addressed each and any of those errors, without any trouble, making yourself accountable for everything.
I'm still floored by the fact people like Hancock can keep a straight face while saying "I'm against the mainstream" while on THE MAIN STREAMING WEBSITE
Anyone can be on the main streaming website. The mainstream Hancock refers to is mainstream academia.
WEBSITR? Do you never bother proof-reading your guff before posting? (Try it, you'll like it ...)
@@chrishubbell115Alex Jones can’t
@@chrishubbell115 if what graham was saying was true, he’d also be banned from mainstream, like Alex Jones.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116Did Graham Hancock also organize a harassment campaign against parents of murdered children?
Graham's view of ancient history is EXTREMELY similar to the lore of Assassin's Creed. In AC lore, the Isu were an advanced race of beings that were wiped out by the "Toba Catastrophe" which, according to AC lore, was a massive solar flare that fried the surface of the planet. The Isu foresaw the Toba Catastrophe but could not stop it and also foresaw another event that would happen in the far future, so they left clues at multiple sites across the world to warn future humans.
But at least in AC, the clues left behind were more like a last ditch effort with no time for make it more reliable after everything failed and of course they were HYPER ADVANCED so they could put that off with reasonable effort.
@@ricardomiles2957 and they left behind more substantial relics than piles of rocks that people of the time could easily build without any magical reason to.
This ancient aliens/lost civilisation stuff inspired a lot of franchise lore. In _Battlestar Galactica_ humans are a lost colony, _Stargate_ of course, _Prometheus_ and _Alien: Covenant, Predators_ built pyramids all over the world to hunt Xenomorphs, ancient aliens called the Progenitors created all humanoid lifeforms in _Star Trek_ (it's why everyone can have offspring with eachother), _Doctor Who_ plays around with it in several episodes (Atlantis, Silurians), etc.
If it's taken for what it is, fiction, then it can be pretty entertaining imho.
I'm so happy that I stopped playing AC
@Klister Klister I traded in Valhalla I was so disappointed in it.
Your citations pdf is stellar! If you were enrolled on my college courses, you would not only get an A+ but, with your permission, your scholarship would be anonymously presented on how to do things right. Keep it up!
I like Graham i never took him seriously i just found him entertaining and never took any of his theories seriously it's like listening to sci fi for me, I'm glad to find these videos to teach me the reality of it all. Keep up the great work
Unfortunately many are not so discerning as you. Also as a former Journalist Hancock is therefore also = a skilled storyteller...... That is how he is able to compellingly argue what is really BS and suck in the gullible who as noted cannot recognize what he is doing.
its so great these ancient people spent so much time in order to warn us about this catastrophe so we can avoid it. They totally told us what the catastrophe was and how to avoid it, right?
I mean, I dunno about you, but if I wanted to make a warning for future generations, I would be as clear as humanly possible about it.
Little symbolism, and as clearly as it can be put to physical medium without relying on what would assuredly be a very dead, nigh untranslatable language.
I garuntee you this is just some precursor bullshit for handcock to start peddling an end of the world conspiracy for money.
Something about melting ice?
Something something stars
god this is a fantastic point. Especially since nowadays we actually do have something we need to warn potential future civilizations of, and so we can examine how we go about doing that and look for that kind of thing in the historical record and *we never find giant spikes in the desert and inscriptions in 10 languages telling us that this is not a place of honour and there are no highly esteemed deeds commemorated here.*
This is by far my favorite series on TH-cam. Every second of the series has been both educational and entertaining, milo you are doing an amazing job and I really mean that!! Thank you so much I can’t wait for the next one :)
It's wild to me, how all of this boils down to the idea how there is one "master civilisation" of civilisation bringers, who showed all ancient civilisation how it is done, who were apparently too stupid to figure it out on their own. You only need to make one step, namely that the aryans are direct descendants of them, and he suddenly becomes the villain of an Indiana Jones movie.
Yeah for real. I get why Milo is being so… I guess non-slandering, legally speaking. But personally I can’t imagine Graham’s over all goal is as chill as he may seem to (white cishet) men in person. And if he genuinely isn’t trying to be so bad, he has some genuine issues he needs to see a Doctor about, not get a Netflix special
There's also the teeny tiny little question that, well, if "The Ancients" had this technology and decided to share it, then how did they get this knowledge and these skills to begin with? Wouldn't they have had to learn all this by themselves from scratch? And if _they_ were able to learn it for themselves, why is it somehow unfathomable that hunter-gatherers could have learned by themselves, without further input, too? What makes "The Ancients" so much more capable than regular humans of the past? And if anyone says "Aliens" taught "The Ancients" all these techniques, then _how did the "Aliens" learn to do all of this!?_ Did _they_ learn everything from scratch on their alien home planet!? And why does that mean hunter-gatherer humans couldn't have ever learned from scratch too!?? Or did the "Aliens" learn from other, still even _more_ advanced "Super Aliens"??!?? And if so OH GOD WHEN DOES IT END?????
There's actually no good reason to stop at just "The Ancients/Aliens did it", but a lot of conspiracies do anyway. And you kinda have to wonder if they made that decision because a) they just ran out of imagination and didn't want to keep going ad infinitum, or b) there's some unsaid goal of the storyteller that makes them choose to conclude at exactly that point and discourage or ignore further questions.
Finaly the Ahnenerbe is completed, now we germans will rule the world once more! *laughts in Deutsch*
yeah, it has a really heavy "lets civilize the savage world" kind of retoric to it
@@conspiracypanda1200 I understand what you are trying to say. However, humans have existed for around 2-300k years. In the last 100 years we as a species have absolutely crushed everything that our ancestors did before us, it's not even close. If our modern civilisation were wiped out and the only people that survived were tribes in the amazon forest, do you really think that they would get to our level even in a thousand years or more?
I'm not a hancock fan, but everyone before our modern time are primitive apes compared to us. We can compare all of them to each other, we have nobody to compare ourselfs to. That's how big the difference is. What i'm trying to get to is, just because some people figured something out and created the iphone as an example, don't mean that if that information were lost it would be discovered by another human in the future.
Thanks!
3:26 "Nothing that you do in your life today is done with the intent of people 12,000 years from now discovering it and being able to learn from it"
The hand-drawn map of my neighborhood that I put in a yogurt tub and buried in a streambed at age 7 begs to differ, my good sir.
God I hope future historians get their hands on those. Ancient kids scribbles are the BEST
I always thought animals that were hunted are depicted far more than predatory animals in art because those were the ones they saw and watched most often, especially up close. Or at least and then lived to paint about it. So they would be easier to paint. But there could be more meaning to it.
Mankind didn’t get the point it’s at by letting predators eat us though
ye my first instinct as artist was also: well if it's dead you have enough time to draw from reference. Moving animals are quite difficult to draw, but if you have a still reference and you observe the moving animal a lot, it's possible to create detailed moving depictions quite well
Makes total sense when you say it, but I never thought about how there probably is a survivor bias of the artists when considering what animals get depicted in ancient cave art.
I hope Epic Rap Battles creates a Milo VS Hancock clip.
I wish Milo would just remove Hand Cocks name from his videos (like Late Show has with the former president). The less fame that guy gets the better.
Please
Yes.
Dam I haven't heard anything about ERB in years. Are they still putting out videos?
@@The_Atheist_Carpenter5625 watch it brodie they shii funny asf and the history is accurate mixed wit famous myths,and they do
Dude, you're sarcasm rock's, this is got to be the longest I've ever watched informative information. Love it my Guy. Keep up the great work, Indiana Jones would approve 👍 👌 🎉
I’ve rewatched this whole series and wait with bated breath for the next episode to drop. The amount of research put into this is amazing, the fact this video is the first one that comes up when someone searches Ancient Apoc is a testament to the interest and hard work put into this.
(But on the off chance you see this minuteman, please don’t feel pressured by viewers to finish sooner, more time means more time for me to dive down research rabbit holes 🙏)
Been checking every day myself for the next part 😭🤣
Me too.
@Blown Gasket nah.
I saw Graham Hancock live on a book tour about 10 years ago. He was very compelling and instilled at least a sense of wonder to research. The later half of the talk was about his DMT and Mushroom trips, which turned it into a Joe Rogan conversation with himself, and was about when I tapped out.
You are doing important work here. And your edits are 😘👌.... I'm going to eat that dog one day sent me😂😂😂
You never looked into dmt further?
@@sadhu7191 sure, always keen to leave the planet psychically. But haven't tried DMT. I did the old ego death on Acid back in my 20s. At 42 I'm happy just getting lost in painting and reading books ☺️
@@teenagebottlerobert the( church of ambrosia) is a high dose mushroom church ised to heal ancester trauma and find true path in extreme high doses 30 grams dry to 80 grams dry and higher mushrooms.
On the "places with bad vibes" thing, the entire horror genre of liminal spaces is centered around the feeling of strangeness and dread that comes from empty places where people *should* but are not. It's a cool but weird human experience, and it's a shame how many people take it as proof of something supernatural when a simple google search could show that it's something felt all in many contexts, including empty malls, which I doubt people would consider supernatural in any respect.
Do you think empty places are spooky because that's where enemies always ambush the protagonists in movies, or if that's where movie writers have the enemies ambush the protagonist because it's intrinsically spooky?
@@DalesDubs probably the latter. A desert place where one can't run if attacked will always make me feel vulnerable to an animalistic level.
I guess my brain's broken because I love abandoned ruins, LOL. I think if a place creeps you out more than you're expecting it to, it's best to listen to that feeling in case you've subconsciously picked up on something dangerous, like a predator in your peripheral vision or infrasound from a collapsing structure.
Is there a theory on what causes the feelings of dread?
@@IsThisThePrizeIveWaitedFor If I have to guess, it’s some sort of primal instinct in us that finds such places to be intimidating or eerie. No place to easily hide, no idea what’s ahead, no idea if you’re really alone or not, etc. It’s just a fear response.
The googledebunkers dont want you to know this, but the pigeons at the park are free
10:23 "You know what would look good on that hill?
Gobekli Tepe."
It cracks me up every time.
Tbf he's right
The funniest thing about it to me is that Göbekli Tepe roughly translates to ‘potbelly hill’ (from the research I’ve done, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong!!) so it’s more like ‘y’know what would look good on that hill? A beer belly’
Gobleki tepe
Hehehe
@@LittleGhostBoyYThi Turkish here, yes it literally means hill with a belly
@@duygutezcan3341 thats amazing haha makes it twice as funny
Growing up in AZ my parents, namely my father, thought it would be a delight to take us to all the "ghost towns" in the state. I know what you mean about the weird vibes. Not even necessarily paranormal vibes, but just like primal, fight-or-flight instinct vibes. Like, idk if something or someone is going to attack me, but this seems like the place and situation in which it would happen.
It’s like if a forest is quiet. Human structures usually demand human habitation, so it’s lack indicates some threat that displaced them. Hence, you are set on edge.
some places that are haunted i pick up on, but its more of the eerie threatening vibe before knowing its apparently haunted. Fear and paranoia is a strong thing that makes you hear noises, whispers and even thing things have moved in your peripheral vision! Like a napoleonic war coastal fort near me in england - its scary because its got lots of doors into pitch black rooms, with bars across lol- not because its haunted. Its got lots of blind spots and is grand but empty. But its got a lot of 'ghost tours'. Its next to the coast path and beach which are the total opposite so its quite a contrast too.
I've never felt like a place was 'haunted', but back when I worked a survey job I came across a dilapidated house in a forested area in Louisiana. No doors, no windows, only thing living in it was a swarm of wasps.
Noped out of there pretty fast.
Crazy cuz you're more likely to get attacked in downtown Tempe
I've lived in Ohio almost my whole life and still haven't visited Serpent mound. I'm glad you're willing to educate the masses on these outlandish theories because most folks don't have the drive or time to research on their own. Even still, I'm planning a trip there myself because it is a magnificent sight with rich history as well as Fort Ancient and I know multiple people who are descendants of the people that built these wonderful sights. Keep up your amazing work my man.
Yeah you gotta go now
I am so grateful that you add corrections to the video when new information is gained.
It's so weird how hard this show pushes the message that ancient people were advanced enough to form a globe conquering civilization but also not advanced enough to invent buildings.
Yeah but if humans disappear right now how long will our modern buildings last?
@@NinjapowerMS Traces of human activity could linger on to infinity. Vegetation, storms, fires, frost, rust, earthquakes and burrowing animal activity would erase most of our visible traces within a thousand years, but the ruins of some massive concrete structures might remain for millennia.
@@NinjapowerMS Shit lasts a damn long time. Hell, even nuclear waste can be dated over thousands of years with pretty simple radiometric dating, so a future society could see we split the atom.
Ancient civilization built all this marvelous structure most of which is not for habitation. And all that without machines.
@joelwhitnell4170another typical American more on ..😂😂😂😂😂😂
Speaking about immediate bad vibes, back in 2019 my husband and I were house hunting and one of the properties we were being shown just set off every alarm in my head. It might have been because of the _very_ distinct smell of mould and must, but there was an immediate sense of "No, bad, got to get out now".
Strong smell of mould is definitely enough reason to get out.
Hm. Sounds like demons.
@@lordfelidae4505 Classic Demon. My flat has these patches of black growth on the walls and ceilings, I thought it was mold but my landlord supplied a priest and turns out it's demon piss.
You're a hero for raising money to the earthquake. I'm just so touched as a Turkish archaeologist ❤
I love how the first thing he agrees with Graham Hancock on is just that primal gut instinct of "nope" you get from certain places.
My uncle actually just so happened to bring up Gobekli Tepe and how people back then couldn’t possibly even lift the stones of it without something like anti-gravity tech.
Lord help my brain.
Imagine needing anti-gravity tech to do something a dirt ramp and logs could do.
Meanwhile strongmen contestants lift, push and pull couple of hundred kilos. Few dozen strong people, some engineering and you are good to go. Is it difficult and time consuming to build monoliths? Yes, but it is doable.
Humans may have had only primitive tools 11 000 years ago, but they weren't idiots, lol.
That not how lifting things work's
I hope whatever you were drinking at the time didn't come out your nose.
There is a whole sport in europe sorrounding lifting heavy rocks barehanded.
Why wouldn’t some strong person from the time looked at a rock & tought “bet I can lift that barehanded”.
The hilarious part is that they use a picture of a scorpion and immediately assume it refers to the constellation Scorpio even though the oldest references of that constellation we have, identified it as an eagle and it wasn't changed to a scorpion until something like 500BCE.
Just like Hancock claims the Sphinx is pointed at Leo 10,000 years ago, or something like that. There was no Leo waaay back.
Maybe those carvings are ancient shyt post.
@@wood4life Absolutely they are 10,000 year old dank memes.
@@FakeSchrodingersCat The rarest of dank memes must be preserved in a mountain of sand until they have reached the optimal maturity.
Part of the theory he presents is that the possible original civilization teached a lot of things to other civilizations, agriculture among them, for agriculture you would need to measure the time, which can be done by using the Stars in the night sky. Going from that it's possible that the names of the constellations was also passed down in some manner or other.
We know that things like gods and stories have been transferred over different cultures, and so have stars, Orion's Belt is called as such even if you are not in ancient Greece.
AND I can’t get over Hancock accusing the academics of dismissing past societies when he literally won’t let them have credit for anything.
Milo casually taking a break from shaming pseudoscience to shame his poor cat in a faint Masshole accent is weirdly amusing to me. Slainte from Vermont. 💚
14:05 That preternatural feeling of dread is so frustrating because you know that it's either
1) just the brain being fucky
2) your subconscious noticing something sinister that you didn't
It doesn't help that you only ever hear stories about people's mysteries danger sense saving them from an ax murderer or feral muskrat and not the 99% of the time when your amygdala decides it's gonna give you a lil spook just for fun
I think it’s your brain treating it like if a forest is quiet. “This place that almost always involves a certain presence has no current signs of that presence, so some threat must have suppressed them.”
3) some toxic gasses can’t be smelt but cause a feeling of dread.
infrasound at frequencies below human hearing, so, 19hz and below, can cause this psychological effect
You forgot to mention that Serpent mound underwent significant restoration a little over 100 years ago, which could easily explain misalignment.
Also, if you do Hancock's exact alignment method to date it, you get different values for the head and the tail.
I mean, you wouldn't expect perfect alignment anyway considering these people were likely doing it by eye and simple tools and didn't have modern equipment.
@@robokill387 You would be amazed at what you can accomplish with sunlight, shadow, and some sticks.
@@robokill387 They could do better than 2 degrees of error, probably. But we're not working with the original mound.
Getting "banned" from a historical site is hysterical 😂
Love this series ❤️
"You won't let me come to your sacred site and defile it physically while disparaging it verbally!?! And you won't let me film it and put it in a documentary that will be distributed by a major streaming service to millions of people!?!?! Blah First Amendment Blah Thought Police Blah Orwellian Blah!"- Graham Hancock's Thought Process
@@Bosef88lol first amendment in a foreign country ☠️
@@kingofnonation5843 wasnt serpent mound american?
@@SaigesArstgo1031 native land is sovereign the tribe makes the rules
@@kingofnonation5843 But it’s not on a reserve- it’s owned by Ohio State archaeological society.
It’s still very idiotic to claim “muh first amendment” when arguing to deface a sacred site. Imo he should be banned from more
This video perfectly encapsulates why Milo is such a great and entertaining debunker, whereas some other debunkers can easily come across as obnoxious to someone not 100% on their side to begin with. When Hancock started talking about the feeling of dread, Milo didn't start making fun of him, calling him a woo peddler or yelling about him not being scientific enough, he actually listened and referred back to a similar experience he had once had, noting that while it wasn't something scientific it is a real subjective phenomenon that people sometimes experience in certain places. It doesn't feel like someone out to make fun of someone with a different viewpoint, it actually comes across that he wants to engage with the claims and show why they're either false or lacking plausible evidence.
Hey man! I really enjoy your content. And, I really enjoyed Graham Hancock's document to some extend since I am really interested in archeology (as a hobby, since it is not possible to live a decent life as an archaeologist in my country even though you come across artifacts from various civilizations everywhere,) and I was really happy to see "mainstream media" showing some interest in these sites. I am not an expert, but I have been to Göbekli Tepe twice (I live in Turkey, btw). And while we were exploring the cite, they mentioned that this stone proves that one bird species known as Kelaynak ("Geronticus eremita" or "Northern bald ibis"), which is endangered and mainly lives in the conservation park in Birecik, has been living in these lands longer than what has been assumed and that they have migrated to this land for about 12000 years. And I was really surprised to hear Graham say these carvings have "abstract" meaning. I mean, yes, we do not know their exact meaning, but the archaeologists at Göbekli Tepe state that these carvings provide some details regarding the fauna of this place at that time. I wish (real) archaeologists had gotten this funding and provided insights about these places.
I like how he starts with drinking water, then moves onto tea, the coffee, then coke, and finally alcohol… really good arch silently explaining how tired of having to do this he is.
Whats next? Bleach? Battery acid?
I means hes not forced to do it! People are free the believe what they want. Sure its a shame that netflix was willing to throw money at Graham Hancock but not at actual archeologists but GH is just more entertaining than actual history. Its more fun to a lot of people to hear about Atlantis than real work in the field.
With that being said, Milo does a good job at being entertaining, so giving this guy a show could be a good idea, or at least worth considering.
@Frank Gariépy
I get that its more fun to watch BS but Netflix has a responsibility not to pass off BS as truth. This isnt a Pixar style movie about Atlantis, its a documentary passing itself off as true.
Your epistemic responsibility goes being merely doing and believing and sharing whats fun and what you would rather believe.
I like nothing about the drinking here, just can't stand the sound of it.
Seriously, as a kid I LOVED the shows just like Graham Hancock made and of course didn't know any better. Thank you for doing this series. I absolutely love your educated take on it and I feel like you're doing a service to make up the disservice of ignorance that's being put out there.
When I was a preteen budding Atheistic No Good Nik in the early 70's, & Erich Von Deniken's Chariots of the Gods was big, I got a cheap paperback edition & couldn't wait to wave it in my Devoutly Catholic Mom's face "See, Jesus was a Space Alien, those Halo's are all Helmets!!!". I didn't know it was all BS by an inherently Racist charlatan making money off equally gullible 11 year old fools like me. But neither did my Mom, who was still an enthusiastic Eugenicist, as that was accepted science in her childhood (as was Piltdown Man), so it was Cool.
As someone who works in film and video, that "business email in the description" covering up the Coke can logo has me laughing my ass off within the first thirty seconds.
Well done.
These two Turkish archeological sites are one of the few instance where "This changes our understanding of history forever" applies.
Also, I second you on that weird feeling you can get in certain locations, be it ruins of times gone by, memorials and other such places
The sites of course aren't Turkish, even if they are in current day Turkey. The Turks (Ottomans) are a very recent arrival in the area.
@@divinitygaming8673 yes, of course, I meant "Turkish" as in "located in Turkey"
@@divinitygaming8673 Seljuk Turks arrived before Ottomans but yeah, they were originally native to Central Asia, but the country is Turkey, no matter how much statue profile pictures hate to admit it's not Constantinople.
watching experts use reason to angrily dispute wild claims is my favorite thing honestly
Story about the constellations and why they are stupid : one night my mom and I were incredibly sleep deprived and star gazing. An interesting combination. We were looking for constellations when I got fed up because I couldn't find any and said "it all just looks like Mario mushrooms to me" which caused fits of laughter. To this day, a decade later, my family and I will mention how the sky is full of mushrooms. I would pay money if I could watch descendants 1200 years from now try and figure out what "mushrooms in the sky" means. People back then were just that. People. They were human. We need to stop treating them like aliens
>be Atlanteans
>come out from the sea to teach some primitive hunter gatherers to stack up some rocks
>refuse to elaborate further
>lost to history
Talking about the cave paintings - I've been to Lascaux. The very rare depiction of a human hunter, so tiny and stick like in comparison to the other animals - and also the carved lion, a hidden predator only seen from certain angles - it is so cool, and I think like a lesson on survival and "worship". But you reminded me of it, I hadn't thought about it in years.
I really appreciate you putting this together, Milo. It's great to see people fighting misinformation.
Thank you!
yes, don't trust the corporate media that has Graham Hancock on. Support small TH-cam channels like Milo!
I bet you think the pyramids of Egypt where tombs
Now he just needs to read “doesn’t carbon-14 dating disprove the Bible?” On answers in Genesis, to stop the misinformation of carbon dating proving an old earth
@@cosmictreason2242 Gutsick Gibbon does that already, she’s great!
My favourite thing about Milo is his infectious enthusiasm about archeology. You can't listen to him speak about it without his excitement rubbing off on you
Lol, too bad he'll never be a real archeologist like Graham. Milo has seen less than 10% of the sites Graham has, and even less of the data.
@@TheCrowned23 Hancock has said he is not an archeologist and has no degree in archeology or any related field. I’m not sure, in all seriousness, how you came to the conclusion that Hancock is so much more educated on this topic in comparison to Milo. Amateur archeologists absolutely exists, so one doesn’t necessarily need a degree to be educated in this field. However, to say Milo is 1/10 less informed on this topic, in comparison to Hancock who is admittedly not an archeologist, doesn’t hold much weight. And how did you come to the conclusion that Milo has seen less than 10% of the data in regards to this subject? If you watched this video, as well as part 1 and 2, I find it rather hard to believe he hadn’t spent quite a bit of time researching and educating himself/ being educated by experts.
I very much agree, but also wanna ride your comment's, coat tail. On the point of the mastodon possible butcher site, I am inclined to really believe it, as most civilizations or nomads, or any sort of intelligent animal, lives near fresh water, or a sort of water source, or travels to and fro, so it's more then likely early hominids lives by rivers more the usually and through passages of time, get buried or eroded away, hidden, scavenged, and many more possibilities which are all likely, but not certain, and is not even certain half of hominids lived by rivers, or lakes, as other sources are available, per say like the Mississippi River, has probably hundreds of locations of signs of old hominids, and a big reason is, over thousands of Arrow heads were found near or in or around, the river, and it's almost impossible to catalog every rock that looks like a spear tip or arrow head or clay pots, and more, I'm kinda tired of typing lol, this is just a thought I had mid video so idk
@Elena Pascarella I think he was being Sarcastic? Not sure though
@@jadedstonedmonkey that's the nightmare we currently live in, right. You just can't tell anymore. Satire is dead
I'm Navajo and it's always hilarious how many let's say "eurocentric" talking heads never can accept the fact we got along with other tribes and shared so much. Needing to know when the solstices were was important to get ahead of winter and know when to plant corn, squash, beans etc.
theres a reason why the north american natives had so many myths, legends and traditions: its a effective way to store information with a high accuracy for a long time without a writing system. and im actually kinda impressed that most of the north american tribes didnt even settle down and that all of them didnt manage to develop metal working. might have been the most advanced stonge age civs known with the inuit even regressing back into the bone age (pre stone age) to keep going. im also certain that you may love this: the first british settlers where so badly prepared that they couldnt have survived without the help of the natives (if you ever heared of the lost roanoke colony: its suspected that they joined a nearby native tribe). so much for the supremacy of the settlers. to bad that someone had the brilliant idea to try to sort folks by superficial details. or assume a lower rank of advancement based on nothing that material use.
@@Irobert1115HDsome tribes had copper tools. besides that, metallurgy was not needed considering how successful they all were without them. some things that native peoples did were much more advanced than europeans gave them credit for. their tactics of preservation of nature were so well thought out and planned and precise. not to mention, europeans were regularly dying from living in their own sewage while most native tribes knew millenia before europe did that you shouldnt shit where you eat and drink.
@@davechongle ok the copper tools where something i didnt know but i knew that the meso and south americans where capable of metal working with motlen gold so its not to far off to assume that someone would figure out basic metalurgy for tools. thanks for the info.