dumas a straight up punkass thats why theyre even in valentia is cuz he tried picking a fight with the one dragon whos power is to slay other dragons and expected to win. what an actual doofus. oh yeah why dont i pick a fight with John Killshumansreallygood thats clearly a great idea. absolute punkass
@@JayMonoto Actually duma was fearful of humans so he launched an attack on thabes to wipe them out. Naga was going punish him severely and painfully and duma thought what he was doing was best so him and naga fought and mila decided to back duma. They both actually managed to injure her but since naga had more supporters the lost. So saying his a punkass isn't correct whatsoever.
So for anyone wondering why Duma went mad, here's how. Shortly after the events of this memory prism, the birth rate of the dragons (in this world dragons are gods and Mila and Duma are dragons) falls and they start to show signs of degeneration. So on the advice of the dragon elders, including the Divine Dragon Naga, most of the dragons seal their powers into dragonstones and become Manaketes. The Earth Dragons do not (with the exception of Prince Medeus) and they eventually spiral down into madness. Due to Mila and Duma being away from the main continent of Archanea (where pretty much all the dragons and manaketes are), they do not know about this and so do not feel the need to seal their powers into dragon stones. So yeah, eventually, Duma did go crazy cause of that. If Mila wasn't sealed by Falchion, she most likely would've gone mad as well. As to why, the dragons eventually go mad after a while and why their birth rate declined, it wasn't revealed so far in Fire Emblem lore but I suspect it's because it's natural for the mind to eventually deteriorate over time and the fact that dragons live almost forever make them very susceptible to this.
@@amburprice8479 she was going mad though, it shows in ways like Celica's mother being stolen from Mila's temple amd Mila did nothing about that. Or how she was blind to the corruption of Zofia, it didn't show in fits of aggression and irrationality, it showed in her philsophy being pushed to the extreme
Life takes both elements of what they say into play. Without suffering happiness can't happen, but that doesn't mean happiness isn't possible. You just can't have one without the other.
@@josephmclain7796 when i was younger i used to be of a opinion that suffering shouldn't exist and that nothing of positive should even attained by intentionally causing suffering to the point where i would actively wish to destroy a happy outcome if i was reached this way, i still think so but i believe the only way for one to truly never suffer is to abandon everyone else and become strong enough so nothing can hurt him, or course in the real world we don't have gods to fix thing but to be honest if there were i would dedicate my life to become a dark mage just to find a way to kill them
@Rudius Van Édlmoare generally these are divine magic used by clerics which si the kind i usually reject, even is such case i would just do ti with science, unless the world in question is a clear paradise gods power's must have a limit where i would be able to strike back
SlyBiffrons Sadly, they are. Change is Forever. Mila's utopia about everlasting peace cannot achieved without hardship. Duma's utopia through achieving power through hardship is not the same as achieving peace.
SlyBiffrons Well Zofia was falling apart Rigel was not. However they were being pushed towards corruption. If Duma had been truly set free then Rival would have conquerored the world in the name of strength and their would be peace but there would be much chaos and vieing for power before the peace would settle due to the idea of strength above everything.
@@StarStruckSolace Rigel was summed up fairly well in the title of the song when you fight Rudolph "Lord of a dead empire." Rigel was a place where the strong survived and the weak were tossed to the wayside. The faithful grew more and more powerful and eventually overshadowed and undermined the power of the Empire. Had it continued, it would become a place of no order. The only way to survive would've been to have joined the faithful (as Berkut saw) thus ushering in the new age of darkness and oppression that Jedah was pushing for, and considering Duma was completely gone mentally as we see in game, I don't think that would've gone well for anyone.
@@henrygutierrez3243 You are half right. The faithful were true to their god and that was their undoing as their god had gone mad. Yet we see Emperor Rudolf as he challenged both gods knowing madness swelled within them. Rudolf could have created a society in which man was strong but cared for but at the same time not pampered into depravity. However the ideal even mad god Duma wanted was true. The strong must rule the weak or if the weak rule the world itself will become weak and with a god to rule as well no one can cause infighting amongst a holy power much more than any mortal could hope for.
@@StarStruckSolace Rudolph KNEW he couldn't do it. He KNEW he wasn't strong enough and that he wasn't destined for it. He knew he couldn't defeat Duma despite wielding Falchion. He knew the Gods were going mad, and when his son was born with the brand he knew the gears of fate were turning. He knew Alm and the other brand bearer (whom he knew existed but knew not the identity) would finally put an end to the Gods' stranglehold on humanity, so he sent Alm off with Mycen as he knew he'd be a target of the faithful, just like Celica was for most of the game. That's why Rudolph didn't stand up to the faithful. It wasn't his position to do so; it was Alm's.
Tbh with the Echoes ends up panning out with the main story it's really a bit of a lose-lose situation for both Milla and Duma. Zofia around the beginning and middle of the game was starting to become unsustainable without Milla giving constant blessings to help everyone go about their daily lives to the point where before Alm started heading The Deliverance the entirety of Zofia was nearly completely captured by Rigel. Milla's approach while a noble one ended up becoming a detriment to her side of the continent. Duma's ideas with Rigel didn't go anywhere better also, the hardships that Rigel had to face lead to a pretty corrupt ideal for happiness to spawn in a majority of people. Sure everyone should grow up to be as strong as they possibly can but the way it ended up for the majority of Rigel was a constant lust to gain and seize more power which itself probably was the seed that caused Duma to go absolutely mad. It's painted pretty obvious with Berkut also with his lust for power constantly being taken away from him by Alm's efforts and going further into a depressed and mad state eventually hitting the limit by sacrificing Reina to Duma in a last ditch attempt to gain power. It's sad that in the end the two never really made up and tried to take the best of both ideals and unite everyone as a whole with it. Though on the bright side with Alm and Celica going about their separate journeys and eventually reuniting by the very end the ideals did eventually come together in the form of working to help others. A very basic ideal and one I probably just boiled down to a sheer basic summary but it brings together the strength Duma wanted to bring everyone up with and the compassion Milla wanted to share. It's really kinda sad though that Milla and Duma never realized this until their inevitable demises.
Which adds even more irony to little Celica's statement in the opening movie: "Why did the gods have to fight so much? Couldn't they just say they were sorry?"
MrAuthor3DS We also see this with Celica's father Lima. Its noted that he was personally raised by Mila (presumably his parents died young for whatever reasom). And he was hedonism personified. Mila blessed the lands but the people grew meek and lazy. Duma gave them opportunities to struggle and excel but in the process they became hard people who defined themselves by power in all of its myriad forms.
Near-immortality and Borderline omnipotence is most likely blinding to most, so the combination of the ideals would have been very hard to realise. They had to fall to let the Humans prosper
The problem with Mila is that she spoiled the people in Zofia so much that King Lima was pretty much kidnapping women to add to his harem. Everyone became lazy and relied too much on her blessings. Mila didn't discipline the pleasure-seekers so they took what they wanted. Duma's flaws seem more up-front simply because he lacks the compassion for humanity that Mila seems to have. His people may work hard to earn their fruits, but a lot of them suffer along the way (Which makes me wonder if that was the reason why Saber said "Fuck it" and ran off to Zofia). I can definitely see the folly in their plans.
TheChildofAuraReborn in the beginning the two kingdom work well because they doesn't begone mad but when they became mad the situations go out of control the trial of duma for making the mankind stronger slowly became a land whith the stronger live and the weak die and a constant obsession to gain more power and Mila was just giving his blessing into random without even watch her people (we see into the game that she lives into a temple who are isolate compared to the reste of the country and when rudolph attack her nobody in the country even the king doesn't know what's going who show that she was isolate and doesn't really watch her people) Sorry for the orthographe I'm french
People who pick either side miss the point. Both sides are wrong in their own ways. I mean if I was forced to pick a side I would pick Milas because I feel that Zofia overall was a happier kingdom than Regalia. Both Mila and Duma are correct, but if you lean too hard one way then it gets out of hand. As we clearly see, both kingdom have their own problems. The point is that both sides are flawed.
Yeah, the whole point is that both dragons have flawed philosophies that shine a light where the other's weak point lies. Only by coming together do they find harmony, which Alm and Celica eventually do.
Interestingly, Duma and Mila can be compared to Capitalism and Communism. With Communism, people seem overall happier, but they don't really want to work, and as soon as Mila stops providing, it all collapses on itself. Capitalism appears self-sufficient and functioning, but it can get out of hand with companies trying to sabotage each other (instead of improving), and shamelessly milking their customers by selling loot boxes and overpriced DLC for content that should've already been included in the main game (like FE Warriors selling Owain, Oboro, Niles, and Navarre separately, even though they're already in the main game). Luckily, many countries use a mix of both sides. On one hand you need people to work, but on the other you also need to lend a hand to people when they're in trouble. Neither side is correct, both are flawed. We just need to find the right balance between them. I personally believe that we're currently leaning way too much towards Duma. Whenever a product doesn't sell "well enough", it gets discontinued. I'm not saying companies should sell at a loss, but I don't see anything wrong with keeping diversity as long as it doesn't incur any losses. It's just sad to see a product disappear just because we happen to have another product that makes twice the gains.
Both were right, but they never made up with each other. None of them realized the damage they did unto Valentia, they both had pure intentions, but it took a wrong turn and went south. Both were right on the Pros and Cons of their methods to happiness. Yet until their demise, they never realized that (A) Humans have learned how to live without their blessings. (B) They were doing more harm than good and didn't realize it until their demise. (C) The Divine Accord would never be eternal because Rigel saw Zofia as a country in ruin and felt their ideals would help the Zofians survive, but the Zofians saw the Rigelians as war driven mindless men who knew no love or happiness. Despite those things, reading the memory prism made me cry (no joke)
such a shame they could never learn to cooperate. While their madness was inevitable, I think the way that so many members of your army show respect for Duma, even during the final battle, tells that the two definitely had a place in Valentia, and I'm sure that if they'd compromised in their ideals, they would've had a far less toxic relationship with the humans they ruled over and maybe longer lives in the end. Overall, I really appreciated the story's efforts to give these two some character depth, it really sells the conflict as the tragedy it is
Dorumon Lives I think Duma's and Mila's beliefs and ideals made them degenerate over time which led to their demise. Mila is slain by Rudolf. Duma is slain by Alm.
"Life is not just about happiness.... Nor sorrow... Even the thorn in your heart, in time will become a rose." Even in this game we can't escape the ocean's gray waves lmao
Mila and Duma are exactly similar to a mother and to a father the Mom believes that Shielding her children will save them while the father believes letting them face their hardships they will be able to deal with it, but it in the end both of each other will turn against itself. The moms side never knowing how to deal with pain or the dads side never knowing how to deal with joy.
The entire layout of this game to its very core is pure poetry. The idea that love and strength find war at their borders is the pinnacle of story telling, love is betrayed, and strength is seduced by love.
It's funny because even thou Zofia won, they would never have won without the royalty of the enemy on their side leading them in the first place. While their own royalty were doing their own thing with finding Mila. So Zofia won the war but so did Rigel because they can finally be free from the power hungry fools that were leading them (except Rudolf of course).
Zero Basssoul She isn't a dick and would give humans no trials or flawed concept of strengths to turn them into Idiotic brutes nor would she give them too much and gives them the right to make mistakes to learn from.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 Considering how the conflict in Awakening resulted from human idiocy and hubris (ESPECIALLY how Grima came to be), I think she fucked up as much as Duma and Mila did.
@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69to be fair, Grima is proof that Duma was right in that Thabes was fucking around with things that it had no business in. He just destroyed the city far too late to stop his worst fear from being realized.
No,Naga wasn't a good ruler either,she's a massive part to blame for Medeus' hatred and rage towards humanity and is the exact direct cause of Duma's bitterness
@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69 Really? Where did they say that? I think Duma would make nore sense tho. He looks similar and perhaps the usage of a degenerating dragon's blood is what made him evil. Personal headcannon I guess.
Obstacles make people learn and grow; misery is a whole different matter. It's a state of constant hopelessness and pain, it's a destructive amount/kind of suffering and should *never* be praised, which Duma does. The point of society or technology is allowing people to work together so that misery is no longer a thing, and the challenges and obstacles that people face are different and lead to productive results. Anthropologists associate the first sign of civiliaztions to a trated broken femur, because that means that a group of people cared after its "weakest" member, allowing them to survive, and possibly express their strength in another way, because strength comes in various different forms (for example, even creativity is a strength, and it allows for advancement and therefore survival of a society). Had they been like Duma (i.e. "lulz, treat your femur and get up yourself, that way you'll gain strength"), the person would have likely died, and any form of strength different from physical endurance that they detained would have been lost. Progress is measured in that, in as much misery the members of asociety can be spared by the existing tech and supporting networks. What even is the point of anything, if not improving one's own QoL? A hypothetical future in which people don't have to work mundane jobs and in which illnesses are easily healed and everyone has the right to that doesn't mean that challenges disappear, it means that people can take on superior challenges and truly express their strength. In fact, just because you take the challenge to a superior level (i.e. not gritty stuff or tribulations) it doesn't mean stuff is being handed to you. It means the challenges can give you room to reach higher peaks than you would by having to fioght for your food every day. It means progress. This extendes to everything; even in science, the fact that, say, Physcists don't run the number themselves and let computers do so just means that they can focus on higher challenges (i.e. understanding how tf the Universe works). TL; DR Duma's point celebrates misery and discourages cooperation and caring after each other, because his idea of obstacles and challenges is way too narrow--but this discourages progress and promotes strife. Mila is on a more progress-oriented path, but doesn't allow for progress anyway because handles every aspiration to everyone on a silver platter, and leads Zofia into decadence. Had she limited her blessings to things needed for survival, people would take on higher challenges in life, and Zofia would have developed higher forms of knowledge, art, tech, magic, and what you have.
Odnetnin I think the only reason she didn't go insane was because she kept popping out of existence whenever she wasn't needed? IDK, they never address dragon insanity in Awakening.
This is why I like this Echoes a bit more than most other Fire Emblem games. I think there is mostly just two sides with basic descriptions: good guys who want to save the world vs bad guys who just wanna do world domination thing (whatever their intentions are); here both sides have their equal shares of both bad and good which is why everyone needs to put their BS aside and work together to balance it out.
@Jake Wyrman You realize that the whole thing with that came all the way from FE4 right. Why is this a problem....? And we wouldn't have more fire emblem games were it not for Awakening....Yeah if it needs to be toned down, they can do it next game, but come on...
I guess they missunderstood each-other. Duma and Mila saw that humans have hardships in their lifes and they wanted to help. Mila wanted to make people's life better by giving blessings and Duma wanted to prepare the humans by making them face their problems and deal with them. But Mila thought that Duma wanted to make their lifes harder and that miraculously the humans would become independent and strong and Duma thought that Mila wanted to make the humans live like in a fantasy world thanks to her powers which is indeed foolish because Mila should know that eventually she would inevitably become mad and destroy everything she worked for. And because their ideologies were so separated, they just couldn't understand each-other, they thought the other would do the exact opposite of what they wanted to do and that it would backfire on them and the humans. So I guess their problem wasn't really that they couldn't reach a middle point because technically that's impossible for them but they couldn't work out ways to decide which ideology would be good on which situation.
While both philosophies are flawed, I find Duma to hold much more ground here. We see the effect of Mila's blessings in three cases: King Lima IV, Desaix and Slayde. Lima especially was driven to utter depravity, and Mila never batted an eye. If she cared for her people, she'd stop Lima's ruthless harem practices and insert a GOOD king. Besides, it's implied Mila would have Celica's soul for herself if she found out about Celica's Brand. Literally no different than with Duma and Alm, and it's painful how the game paints Rigel and Duma as 'evil' when some of the nicest and most genuinely heroic people in the game are Rigelian, such as Tatiana and Halcyon.
IDK, by the time of the modern day it's likely Mila's going mad just like Duma(though it isn't addressed nearly as much) so it's not surprising Zofia is screwed up. Game isn't really clear in addressing a lot of points but Rigel's leadership is screwed up too. Hell, Rudolf despite having good intentions has one of the dumbest plans imaginable that leads to a lot of pointless death(here, loyal men, go throw yourself at my son who I'm hoping will beat you so he can kill me!) and causes Berkut to go nuts, while ignoring massive issues like the Duma Faithful.
Kyuzeth the Grand The npc villagers in Rigel also mentioned that Rudolf was a kind king before Alm was born, showing a lot of sympathy to the masses. It's also seen from Rudolphs army that Rigel had strong comradery, showing that the people of Rigel understood the wisdom of working together, while also valuing personal achievements as well. You can see some of Duma and Mila' s utopia was formed in their nations (Rudolph and Celica respectively) but was clouded over by the grief and unfairness brought by their Ideals (Duma Faithful and Royal hierarchy)
TheRealMrPapaya The issues was that it wasn't nearly as pronounced as Duma- Duma is the elder of the two, he'd been slowly losing sanity for decades now, and was just barely aware enough to give Rudolf Falchion before he succumbed completely- the Duma Faithfuls witches and corruption having existed for long was proof of his decay. Meanwhile, Mila is presumably decades or maybe centuries younger than Duma, she had only just begun to sink into insanity.
Walhart followed Alm and Duma's ideals to the extreme in Awakening but he did it for a greater good, vision that Chrom and the Shepherds stopped. Walhart deserves more love :(
Walmart was ultimately wrong though, despite wanting to erradicate the Naga religion in the end Naga saved the day, and she always has. She made the two Falchions, the Book of Naga, the time travel, and the Awakening. Without her toys humanity would have no chance against Grima, Medeus, or Loptous. Elibians didn't consider dragons gods because they knew for a fact they were just as mortal as them, something Alm failed to teach Valentia, Mila and Duma in their arrogance called themselves gods when they clearly aren't, and they admit as such in their deathbeds. But even if the world knew they worshipped false gods they still get saved by them. Elibians actually fulfilled what Walmart was saying, it was through man made weapons they kicked out the dragons from Elibe. Valentia, Jugdral, and Archanea used dragon toys.
A Fire Emblem setting at the beginning of time where all the playable units are green haired dragon-gods in human form defending a fletchling humanity would be epic. Duma, Mila, Tiki and all the rest of them as playable characters for the armies to fight battles on godlike scale. Sounds crazy but the sky is the limit; could be the best FE game yet.
David Riley And is the main hero. Mila’s representative (Celica) relies too much on Mila to save her kingdom when her and her people could have done it themselves. And she ends up becoming a witch and getting killed for her foolishness. Well considering that it was war, Duma’s ideal had the advantage since Mila’s ideals made people weak af.
Nice to see some morons completely missing the main theme of the story. Without Celica, Alm would have become a mad tyrant on the same level as Duma himself.
they are both right in a sense had both seen the light in each words valentia would had truly been a utopia of happy but firm people tempered through misfortune but always hopeful for a brighter happier future.... kinda like what alm and celica did
When one is handed everything they need, it no longer seems like they themselves are living, it seems like you're just given things to live just because. When one works for something, and it pays off, they feel accomplished, they feel like they've been of use, and did well. I personally don't see much in being handed everything, as it removes the trials that makes life so worth living for. As for Duma, he has a point, trials and tribulations forge humanity to become stronger, and it grants them experience. For Mila, too much suffering would lead to nothing more than pain and depression. She seeks to be something like an actual mother, she doesn't want to see her children suffer needlessly. In the same case, Duma is like a father, he thinks that his children should go through falling down, and getting back up, become strong through their failures, and learn. Tl;Dr For Duma, pain teaches, and should be used for it. For Mila, pain should not exist, and should be replaced with blessings.
Is it next to... Grima? Because I just ran straight to the teleport symbol as soon as I got beat him. I didn't bother to check to see if there was a prism.
Sorry Johnny boy, but you ran right past it. It's in the middle of the room after you beat that boss. So if you want it, you're gonna have to go back down and do it again (Pretty sure the boss respawns)
Mila: I'll make humans kind and happy! Duma: I'll make them strong and proud! Grima: I'll make them deader than dead! Rhea: I'll rewrite their entire history and brainwash them into worshipping Crystal Dragon Jesus! Moral of the story: Dragon people make everything worse.
@YT C.S.K.S you're right cause the state owns everything and when you try to make something your own you'll be executed infront of your village woth your family in the front row.
I can't agree with Mila at all. What good is a world that is filled with blessing with no hardship? Hardship is what makes us stronger. Stronger men create better futures for their descendants. You can't just spoil people or they'll turn into drunkards.
To be fair, she was also probably starting to suffer from the degeneration that all dragons in the this FE universe eventually succumb to. It just wasn't a far gone as Duma's
khorne is depicted as a mindless bloodthirsty brute in the recent background, but he always was much more than that. Duma is pretty close in some aspects, of the original idea and description of khorne
People are either sheep, wolves or sheepdog. If you have too many sheep then the wolves will pray on them. Too many wolves and you have chaos and failure. A civilization can only find the ideal balance if it is made up of Sheep-dogs. Those who close their borders to all. No villains, weakness or leaches to take part of what they have harvested and sown. Wolves would never be able to do this. A civilization of Wolves would steal from each other. The success of those who succeed would be squandered by thieves then they would want more. A civilization full of Sheep could work. Only if they were isolated from others. They could find prosperity inheriting whatever land they decide to reap and sow
Black Pants To be more specific the Metal Gear Solid franchise. After the events of MSG3. Big Boss with his vision of Outer Heaven and Major Zero with his formation of the Patriots. Both of which thought with their own causes could bring something significant to the world. However it caused a chain of events that nearly put the world to pretty much rely on War as a salvation to thrive on.
Heads up that dungeon is brutal, you cannot save at any point while in there. Only go with your best units and equipment, unless you hate yourself. (got to the 9th floor before my Alm got hit by that 1% crit)
If you listen closely, you can hear Naga shouting "Morons!" in the distance.
This is why Falchion ended up in Valentia
@@Praestantia yep to finish them
dumas a straight up punkass thats why theyre even in valentia is cuz he tried picking a fight with the one dragon whos power is to slay other dragons and expected to win. what an actual doofus. oh yeah why dont i pick a fight with John Killshumansreallygood thats clearly a great idea. absolute punkass
why?
@@JayMonoto Actually duma was fearful of humans so he launched an attack on thabes to wipe them out. Naga was going punish him severely and painfully and duma thought what he was doing was best so him and naga fought and mila decided to back duma. They both actually managed to injure her but since naga had more supporters the lost. So saying his a punkass isn't correct whatsoever.
Duma: Wants humanity to be strong.
Mila: Wants humanity to be happy.
Grima: "Well I just want them dead"
Naga: Do I have any say in this?
Robin: Grima, not anymore!
Can we take a moment to appreciate that Duma has the Tiki ponytail?
Loool
Huh so Duma went to get milk
anyone else notice he was narrating the game the whole time?
Danmccloud1889 Kinda makes sense that he is the final boss all of a sudden.
Now all have sense :v
It's actually mycen narrating
@@dylanmaguire3595 duma's and mycen's VA are different: take a look on behindvoiceactor website
So for anyone wondering why Duma went mad, here's how. Shortly after the events of this memory prism, the birth rate of the dragons (in this world dragons are gods and Mila and Duma are dragons) falls and they start to show signs of degeneration. So on the advice of the dragon elders, including the Divine Dragon Naga, most of the dragons seal their powers into dragonstones and become Manaketes. The Earth Dragons do not (with the exception of Prince Medeus) and they eventually spiral down into madness. Due to Mila and Duma being away from the main continent of Archanea (where pretty much all the dragons and manaketes are), they do not know about this and so do not feel the need to seal their powers into dragon stones. So yeah, eventually, Duma did go crazy cause of that. If Mila wasn't sealed by Falchion, she most likely would've gone mad as well. As to why, the dragons eventually go mad after a while and why their birth rate declined, it wasn't revealed so far in Fire Emblem lore but I suspect it's because it's natural for the mind to eventually deteriorate over time and the fact that dragons live almost forever make them very susceptible to this.
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I believe Mila was also younger than Duma, which might also be a reason why she didn’t go mad.
@@amburprice8479 she was going mad though, it shows in ways like Celica's mother being stolen from Mila's temple amd Mila did nothing about that. Or how she was blind to the corruption of Zofia, it didn't show in fits of aggression and irrationality, it showed in her philsophy being pushed to the extreme
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@@r.r815 also true
@@r.r815 out of curiosity why is she called the goddess of love but from what I’ve seen she is called Earth mother and Mother goddess of the land?
The fact that they both have valid points makes me shed a tear.
Is there no way for us to make ourselves happy?
Dude just follow what they both have in mind in moderation and boom no one becomes a depraved weak loser or a heartless monster
Life takes both elements of what they say into play. Without suffering happiness can't happen, but that doesn't mean happiness isn't possible. You just can't have one without the other.
no theyre just idiots who cant compromise
@@josephmclain7796 when i was younger i used to be of a opinion that suffering shouldn't exist and that nothing of positive should even attained by intentionally causing suffering to the point where i would actively wish to destroy a happy outcome if i was reached this way, i still think so but i believe the only way for one to truly never suffer is to abandon everyone else and become strong enough so nothing can hurt him, or course in the real world we don't have gods to fix thing but to be honest if there were i would dedicate my life to become a dark mage just to find a way to kill them
@Rudius Van Édlmoare generally these are divine magic used by clerics which si the kind i usually reject, even is such case i would just do ti with science, unless the world in question is a clear paradise gods power's must have a limit where i would be able to strike back
Given how both Rigel and Zofia were pretty much on the verge of falling apart, they were proven wrong.
SlyBiffrons
Sadly, they are.
Change is Forever.
Mila's utopia about everlasting peace cannot achieved without hardship.
Duma's utopia through achieving power through hardship is not the same as achieving peace.
SlyBiffrons Well Zofia was falling apart Rigel was not. However they were being pushed towards corruption. If Duma had been truly set free then Rival would have conquerored the world in the name of strength and their would be peace but there would be much chaos and vieing for power before the peace would settle due to the idea of strength above everything.
@@StarStruckSolace Rigel was summed up fairly well in the title of the song when you fight Rudolph "Lord of a dead empire." Rigel was a place where the strong survived and the weak were tossed to the wayside. The faithful grew more and more powerful and eventually overshadowed and undermined the power of the Empire. Had it continued, it would become a place of no order. The only way to survive would've been to have joined the faithful (as Berkut saw) thus ushering in the new age of darkness and oppression that Jedah was pushing for, and considering Duma was completely gone mentally as we see in game, I don't think that would've gone well for anyone.
@@henrygutierrez3243 You are half right. The faithful were true to their god and that was their undoing as their god had gone mad. Yet we see Emperor Rudolf as he challenged both gods knowing madness swelled within them. Rudolf could have created a society in which man was strong but cared for but at the same time not pampered into depravity. However the ideal even mad god Duma wanted was true. The strong must rule the weak or if the weak rule the world itself will become weak and with a god to rule as well no one can cause infighting amongst a holy power much more than any mortal could hope for.
@@StarStruckSolace Rudolph KNEW he couldn't do it. He KNEW he wasn't strong enough and that he wasn't destined for it. He knew he couldn't defeat Duma despite wielding Falchion. He knew the Gods were going mad, and when his son was born with the brand he knew the gears of fate were turning. He knew Alm and the other brand bearer (whom he knew existed but knew not the identity) would finally put an end to the Gods' stranglehold on humanity, so he sent Alm off with Mycen as he knew he'd be a target of the faithful, just like Celica was for most of the game. That's why Rudolph didn't stand up to the faithful. It wasn't his position to do so; it was Alm's.
I guess it's clear now that all divine dragons are generally green-haired in their humanoid forms.
MrAuthor3DS except for Xane
Fae says hi.
So does Myrrh.
@@marylovesdavidcook but Fae comes from another dimension/timeline/contintent
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast he said "generally"
I now realise that the 'Madness' is basically Divine Dragons going senile, in a way.
Mila: We should be the salvation to mankind! They deserve it!
Duma: Ding dong your opinion is wrong
Tbh with the Echoes ends up panning out with the main story it's really a bit of a lose-lose situation for both Milla and Duma.
Zofia around the beginning and middle of the game was starting to become unsustainable without Milla giving constant blessings to help everyone go about their daily lives to the point where before Alm started heading The Deliverance the entirety of Zofia was nearly completely captured by Rigel. Milla's approach while a noble one ended up becoming a detriment to her side of the continent.
Duma's ideas with Rigel didn't go anywhere better also, the hardships that Rigel had to face lead to a pretty corrupt ideal for happiness to spawn in a majority of people. Sure everyone should grow up to be as strong as they possibly can but the way it ended up for the majority of Rigel was a constant lust to gain and seize more power which itself probably was the seed that caused Duma to go absolutely mad. It's painted pretty obvious with Berkut also with his lust for power constantly being taken away from him by Alm's efforts and going further into a depressed and mad state eventually hitting the limit by sacrificing Reina to Duma in a last ditch attempt to gain power.
It's sad that in the end the two never really made up and tried to take the best of both ideals and unite everyone as a whole with it. Though on the bright side with Alm and Celica going about their separate journeys and eventually reuniting by the very end the ideals did eventually come together in the form of working to help others. A very basic ideal and one I probably just boiled down to a sheer basic summary but it brings together the strength Duma wanted to bring everyone up with and the compassion Milla wanted to share.
It's really kinda sad though that Milla and Duma never realized this until their inevitable demises.
Gray Person dumb comment
Alexander Dempsey how
Which adds even more irony to little Celica's statement in the opening movie:
"Why did the gods have to fight so much? Couldn't they just say they were sorry?"
MrAuthor3DS We also see this with Celica's father Lima. Its noted that he was personally raised by Mila (presumably his parents died young for whatever reasom). And he was hedonism personified.
Mila blessed the lands but the people grew meek and lazy. Duma gave them opportunities to struggle and excel but in the process they became hard people who defined themselves by power in all of its myriad forms.
Near-immortality and Borderline omnipotence is most likely blinding to most, so the combination of the ideals would have been very hard to realise. They had to fall to let the Humans prosper
The problem with Mila is that she spoiled the people in Zofia so much that King Lima was pretty much kidnapping women to add to his harem. Everyone became lazy and relied too much on her blessings. Mila didn't discipline the pleasure-seekers so they took what they wanted.
Duma's flaws seem more up-front simply because he lacks the compassion for humanity that Mila seems to have. His people may work hard to earn their fruits, but a lot of them suffer along the way (Which makes me wonder if that was the reason why Saber said "Fuck it" and ran off to Zofia).
I can definitely see the folly in their plans.
TheChildofAuraReborn in the beginning the two kingdom work well because they doesn't begone mad but when they became mad the situations go out of control the trial of duma for making the mankind stronger slowly became a land whith the stronger live and the weak die and a constant obsession to gain more power and Mila was just giving his blessing into random without even watch her people (we see into the game that she lives into a temple who are isolate compared to the reste of the country and when rudolph attack her nobody in the country even the king doesn't know what's going who show that she was isolate and doesn't really watch her people)
Sorry for the orthographe I'm french
I like this
People who pick either side miss the point. Both sides are wrong in their own ways. I mean if I was forced to pick a side I would pick Milas because I feel that Zofia overall was a happier kingdom than Regalia. Both Mila and Duma are correct, but if you lean too hard one way then it gets out of hand. As we clearly see, both kingdom have their own problems. The point is that both sides are flawed.
Yeah, the whole point is that both dragons have flawed philosophies that shine a light where the other's weak point lies. Only by coming together do they find harmony, which Alm and Celica eventually do.
+Collector Togami
Sadly, they are...
a kingdom named after the car in Final Fantasy 15.
Interestingly, Duma and Mila can be compared to Capitalism and Communism.
With Communism, people seem overall happier, but they don't really want to work, and as soon as Mila stops providing, it all collapses on itself.
Capitalism appears self-sufficient and functioning, but it can get out of hand with companies trying to sabotage each other (instead of improving), and shamelessly milking their customers by selling loot boxes and overpriced DLC for content that should've already been included in the main game (like FE Warriors selling Owain, Oboro, Niles, and Navarre separately, even though they're already in the main game).
Luckily, many countries use a mix of both sides. On one hand you need people to work, but on the other you also need to lend a hand to people when they're in trouble. Neither side is correct, both are flawed. We just need to find the right balance between them.
I personally believe that we're currently leaning way too much towards Duma. Whenever a product doesn't sell "well enough", it gets discontinued. I'm not saying companies should sell at a loss, but I don't see anything wrong with keeping diversity as long as it doesn't incur any losses. It's just sad to see a product disappear just because we happen to have another product that makes twice the gains.
I would just move to Archenea lol
Wait... Is Duma's actor the narrator?
Adam Rhodes yeah
Adam Rhodes Narrator Of This game?
The voiceover in the opening or when you go to Fear Mountain.
And in the endings of each act, such as after Celica leaves Alm in Act 2 after their spat, and when the sluice gate is opened in Act 3.
Calling all people who saw the mythic hero trailer for Duma
...me?
K what's up
No need to reply to this comment since the Duma banner is gone
Rip butt chin
He's back
Both were right, but they never made up with each other. None of them realized the damage they did unto Valentia, they both had pure intentions, but it took a wrong turn and went south. Both were right on the Pros and Cons of their methods to happiness. Yet until their demise, they never realized that (A) Humans have learned how to live without their blessings. (B) They were doing more harm than good and didn't realize it until their demise. (C) The Divine Accord would never be eternal because Rigel saw Zofia as a country in ruin and felt their ideals would help the Zofians survive, but the Zofians saw the Rigelians as war driven mindless men who knew no love or happiness. Despite those things, reading the memory prism made me cry (no joke)
BG9X3
I see that you are a Man of Culture as well.
such a shame they could never learn to cooperate. While their madness was inevitable, I think the way that so many members of your army show respect for Duma, even during the final battle, tells that the two definitely had a place in Valentia, and I'm sure that if they'd compromised in their ideals, they would've had a far less toxic relationship with the humans they ruled over and maybe longer lives in the end.
Overall, I really appreciated the story's efforts to give these two some character depth, it really sells the conflict as the tragedy it is
Dorumon Lives
I think Duma's and Mila's beliefs and ideals made them degenerate over time which led to their demise.
Mila is slain by Rudolf.
Duma is slain by Alm.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx No, Dragons naturally generate over time
"Life is not just about happiness.... Nor sorrow... Even the thorn in your heart, in time will become a rose." Even in this game we can't escape the ocean's gray waves lmao
Mila and Duma are exactly similar to a mother and to a father the Mom believes that Shielding her children will save them while the father believes letting them face their hardships they will be able to deal with it, but it in the end both of each other will turn against itself. The moms side never knowing how to deal with pain or the dads side never knowing how to deal with joy.
Agreed
The entire layout of this game to its very core is pure poetry. The idea that love and strength find war at their borders is the pinnacle of story telling, love is betrayed, and strength is seduced by love.
Duma's a little bit more sensible in this argument
but guess whose people won the war
It's funny because even thou Zofia won, they would never have won without the royalty of the enemy on their side leading them in the first place. While their own royalty were doing their own thing with finding Mila. So Zofia won the war but so did Rigel because they can finally be free from the power hungry fools that were leading them (except Rudolf of course).
Nice tellius reference
"Power hungry fools" I see that reference...
Alm has the blood of Duma and other characters come from reigal(don't think that's how u spell it) so technically Dumas people won as well
+Crazy Neerp
Those would be Alm, Mycen, Tatiana, Saber, Conrad (half), and Sonya (if you fought Deen).
This is why we let Naga rule she's at least been somewhat fair to humanity
Zero Basssoul She isn't a dick and would give humans no trials or flawed concept of strengths to turn them into Idiotic brutes nor would she give them too much and gives them the right to make mistakes to learn from.
@@basilofgoodwishes4138 Considering how the conflict in Awakening resulted from human idiocy and hubris (ESPECIALLY how Grima came to be), I think she fucked up as much as Duma and Mila did.
Avalos Altair Miraos Yes
@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69to be fair, Grima is proof that Duma was right in that Thabes was fucking around with things that it had no business in. He just destroyed the city far too late to stop his worst fear from being realized.
No,Naga wasn't a good ruler either,she's a massive part to blame for Medeus' hatred and rage towards humanity and is the exact direct cause of Duma's bitterness
When you know Darin De Paul voiced Duma
So you can't help but wish he says Hammer Down
Precision Rigellian Engineering
How did I not know this!?
No one gonna talk about how fucking gorgeous mila looks?
The biggest question is WHY DOES GRIMA HAVE THIS!?
Pikapower Naga was recording their conversation and gave it to Grima so he can lol at them in his man cave.
I have a theory that the divine dragon blood usrd to maks Grima was from Duma or Mila. (Most likely Duma)
@@BriarValley It was confirmed to be Naga's.
@@ProfessionalNamielleLewder69 Really? Where did they say that?
I think Duma would make nore sense tho. He looks similar and perhaps the usage of a degenerating dragon's blood is what made him evil. Personal headcannon I guess.
Duma has the most beautiful voice I’ve ever hearrrrrrd...
Naga: Just leave the humans to be independent and aid them against unfair forces
The classic Motherhood and Fatherhood argument. You can't just have one without the other.
Obstacles make people learn and grow; misery is a whole different matter. It's a state of constant hopelessness and pain, it's a destructive amount/kind of suffering and should *never* be praised, which Duma does. The point of society or technology is allowing people to work together so that misery is no longer a thing, and the challenges and obstacles that people face are different and lead to productive results.
Anthropologists associate the first sign of civiliaztions to a trated broken femur, because that means that a group of people cared after its "weakest" member, allowing them to survive, and possibly express their strength in another way, because strength comes in various different forms (for example, even creativity is a strength, and it allows for advancement and therefore survival of a society). Had they been like Duma (i.e. "lulz, treat your femur and get up yourself, that way you'll gain strength"), the person would have likely died, and any form of strength different from physical endurance that they detained would have been lost. Progress is measured in that, in as much misery the members of asociety can be spared by the existing tech and supporting networks. What even is the point of anything, if not improving one's own QoL?
A hypothetical future in which people don't have to work mundane jobs and in which illnesses are easily healed and everyone has the right to that doesn't mean that challenges disappear, it means that people can take on superior challenges and truly express their strength. In fact, just because you take the challenge to a superior level (i.e. not gritty stuff or tribulations) it doesn't mean stuff is being handed to you. It means the challenges can give you room to reach higher peaks than you would by having to fioght for your food every day. It means progress. This extendes to everything; even in science, the fact that, say, Physcists don't run the number themselves and let computers do so just means that they can focus on higher challenges (i.e. understanding how tf the Universe works).
TL; DR Duma's point celebrates misery and discourages cooperation and caring after each other, because his idea of obstacles and challenges is way too narrow--but this discourages progress and promotes strife. Mila is on a more progress-oriented path, but doesn't allow for progress anyway because handles every aspiration to everyone on a silver platter, and leads Zofia into decadence. Had she limited her blessings to things needed for survival, people would take on higher challenges in life, and Zofia would have developed higher forms of knowledge, art, tech, magic, and what you have.
Now we just need that one god that understands both points and knows how to keep a good mixture of both sides.
Lucas Gillette *Naga
The Rising Theurge Yeah pretty much. Good on Naga for not going insane, by the way.
Odnetnin Naga is a genius, even for Dragon standards.
Odnetnin
I think the only reason she didn't go insane was because she kept popping out of existence whenever she wasn't needed? IDK, they never address dragon insanity in Awakening.
Sayem Actually, Grima didn't go insane. It was like that from the first place since Grima was the Creation.
And now he's in Heroes.
Echoes fans rejoice!
Duma is the narrator of some cutscenes
This is why I like this Echoes a bit more than most other Fire Emblem games. I think there is mostly just two sides with basic descriptions: good guys who want to save the world vs bad guys who just wanna do world domination thing (whatever their intentions are); here both sides have their equal shares of both bad and good which is why everyone needs to put their BS aside and work together to balance it out.
Fun fact! Duma is the polish word for pride
No its silence in hebraic
Add an S and it fits the ideology of the dragons.
oh hey a dragon waifu and husbando
not in this game ya cant
Infer and oh hey Iago, you still sucking up to Garon?
@Jake Wyrman You realize that the whole thing with that came all the way from FE4 right. Why is this a problem....? And we wouldn't have more fire emblem games were it not for Awakening....Yeah if it needs to be toned down, they can do it next game, but come on...
Jake Wyrman *A triumph.
Please stop
Duma's voice is so beautiful
Too bad he got recasted in Heroes...
Both are in Heroes now!
It's really crazy how much this does for Fire Emblem and it's gods and so many other things. Just wow.
I guess they missunderstood each-other. Duma and Mila saw that humans have hardships in their lifes and they wanted to help. Mila wanted to make people's life better by giving blessings and Duma wanted to prepare the humans by making them face their problems and deal with them. But Mila thought that Duma wanted to make their lifes harder and that miraculously the humans would become independent and strong and Duma thought that Mila wanted to make the humans live like in a fantasy world thanks to her powers which is indeed foolish because Mila should know that eventually she would inevitably become mad and destroy everything she worked for. And because their ideologies were so separated, they just couldn't understand each-other, they thought the other would do the exact opposite of what they wanted to do and that it would backfire on them and the humans. So I guess their problem wasn't really that they couldn't reach a middle point because technically that's impossible for them but they couldn't work out ways to decide which ideology would be good on which situation.
Welcome to FEH, Duma!
While both philosophies are flawed, I find Duma to hold much more ground here. We see the effect of Mila's blessings in three cases: King Lima IV, Desaix and Slayde. Lima especially was driven to utter depravity, and Mila never batted an eye. If she cared for her people, she'd stop Lima's ruthless harem practices and insert a GOOD king.
Besides, it's implied Mila would have Celica's soul for herself if she found out about Celica's Brand. Literally no different than with Duma and Alm, and it's painful how the game paints Rigel and Duma as 'evil' when some of the nicest and most genuinely heroic people in the game are Rigelian, such as Tatiana and Halcyon.
Yeah. Only Conrad displayed respect towards Duma. Everyone else blamed the poor dude for all of their misery.
IDK, by the time of the modern day it's likely Mila's going mad just like Duma(though it isn't addressed nearly as much) so it's not surprising Zofia is screwed up. Game isn't really clear in addressing a lot of points but Rigel's leadership is screwed up too. Hell, Rudolf despite having good intentions has one of the dumbest plans imaginable that leads to a lot of pointless death(here, loyal men, go throw yourself at my son who I'm hoping will beat you so he can kill me!) and causes Berkut to go nuts, while ignoring massive issues like the Duma Faithful.
Kyuzeth the Grand The npc villagers in Rigel also mentioned that Rudolf was a kind king before Alm was born, showing a lot of sympathy to the masses. It's also seen from Rudolphs army that Rigel had strong comradery, showing that the people of Rigel understood the wisdom of working together, while also valuing personal achievements as well. You can see some of Duma and Mila' s utopia was formed in their nations (Rudolph and Celica respectively) but was clouded over by the grief and unfairness brought by their Ideals (Duma Faithful and Royal hierarchy)
Where was the implication with Celicas brand?
TheRealMrPapaya
The issues was that it wasn't nearly as pronounced as Duma- Duma is the elder of the two, he'd been slowly losing sanity for decades now, and was just barely aware enough to give Rudolf Falchion before he succumbed completely- the Duma Faithfuls witches and corruption having existed for long was proof of his decay.
Meanwhile, Mila is presumably decades or maybe centuries younger than Duma, she had only just begun to sink into insanity.
Walhart followed Alm and Duma's ideals to the extreme in Awakening but he did it for a greater good, vision that Chrom and the Shepherds stopped. Walhart deserves more love :(
Walmart was ultimately wrong though, despite wanting to erradicate the Naga religion in the end Naga saved the day, and she always has. She made the two Falchions, the Book of Naga, the time travel, and the Awakening. Without her toys humanity would have no chance against Grima, Medeus, or Loptous. Elibians didn't consider dragons gods because they knew for a fact they were just as mortal as them, something Alm failed to teach Valentia, Mila and Duma in their arrogance called themselves gods when they clearly aren't, and they admit as such in their deathbeds. But even if the world knew they worshipped false gods they still get saved by them. Elibians actually fulfilled what Walmart was saying, it was through man made weapons they kicked out the dragons from Elibe. Valentia, Jugdral, and Archanea used dragon toys.
@@Juan-zs6jtVirgin 12 Crusaders vs Chad Eight Legends
A Fire Emblem setting at the beginning of time where all the playable units are green haired dragon-gods in human form defending a fletchling humanity would be epic. Duma, Mila, Tiki and all the rest of them as playable characters for the armies to fight battles on godlike scale. Sounds crazy but the sky is the limit; could be the best FE game yet.
When you think about it... Duma kinda sorta won. A Rigelian rules all of valentia.
David Riley And is the main hero. Mila’s representative (Celica) relies too much on Mila to save her kingdom when her and her people could have done it themselves. And she ends up becoming a witch and getting killed for her foolishness.
Well considering that it was war, Duma’s ideal had the advantage since Mila’s ideals made people weak af.
@@zerosorigin8387 Celica was revived and ruled along side Alm in the end tho, so in a sense both Rigel and Zofia won.
Nice to see some morons completely missing the main theme of the story.
Without Celica, Alm would have become a mad tyrant on the same level as Duma himself.
Wait a minute.... Duma's voiced by DARIN DE PAUL?!
Eeeyup! :)
“And never trampled upon the others”
...weeeellll
they are both right in a sense had both seen the light in each words valentia would had truly been a utopia of happy but firm people tempered through misfortune but always hopeful for a brighter happier future.... kinda like what alm and celica did
"eNgLiSh DuB iS bAd"
Shadows of Valentia is pretty much the exception that proves the rule
@@Fargodeep "SuBs > DuBs"
In anime.
Mila's Milkas got me actin up
both of then have a good point.
Maclay Owen but the both go overboard in there ideals
It feels like a conversation between Cosmos and Chaos
Now we need Keith David to voice a dragon God in the next fire emblem title
I swear looking at Mila and remembering how Naga looked in awakening they have to be the same person
Nope. Not even close.
When one is handed everything they need, it no longer seems like they themselves are living, it seems like you're just given things to live just because.
When one works for something, and it pays off, they feel accomplished, they feel like they've been of use, and did well. I personally don't see much in being handed everything, as it removes the trials that makes life so worth living for.
As for Duma, he has a point, trials and tribulations forge humanity to become stronger, and it grants them experience. For Mila, too much suffering would lead to nothing more than pain and depression. She seeks to be something like an actual mother, she doesn't want to see her children suffer needlessly.
In the same case, Duma is like a father, he thinks that his children should go through falling down, and getting back up, become strong through their failures, and learn.
Tl;Dr
For Duma, pain teaches, and should be used for it.
For Mila, pain should not exist, and should be replaced with blessings.
Can't pick a side. Who would? You're only given a "mila is better!11!!" viewpoint until postgame when you actually _see_ this...
Sayem Fates?
Getting this memory is a pain...
Arklaine Genesis where is it? Please say it isn't a post game thing
Sorry to say this, but it is post-game. You need to clear Thabes Labyrinth to get this memory.
Is it next to...
Grima? Because I just ran straight to the teleport symbol as soon as I got beat him. I didn't bother to check to see if there was a prism.
Sorry Johnny boy, but you ran right past it. It's in the middle of the room after you beat that boss. So if you want it, you're gonna have to go back down and do it again (Pretty sure the boss respawns)
I died at the Fire Dragon.
I wish duma had more voice lines
Mila: I'll make humans kind and happy!
Duma: I'll make them strong and proud!
Grima: I'll make them deader than dead!
Rhea: I'll rewrite their entire history and brainwash them into worshipping Crystal Dragon Jesus!
Moral of the story: Dragon people make everything worse.
Here from the mystic hero reveal
Same. My second try I got him. He's so cool
Nice, now go and destroy Ather keeps
@@krazmaster2581 he's still level 1.
Well get him to level 40 then get 10 more before the end of the season
@@krazmaster2581 why?
I like how they are both right but also wrong
when your brother griefs your minecraft world
Duma looks like if Kid Icarus Hades had a ponytail.
Rigel is like Sparta and Zofia is like Athens.
Christ you can tell they put so much love into this game
It’s quite sad how they couldn’t make up and join each other in making a balanced world.
Chaos and Law paths.
Guys.... Look at yourselves and think "perhaps the good must work with bad in order to find a good balance"
Man I'm glad they changed Duma's voice in FEH
Warning, cursed:
I can't stop looking at how one of Duma's ears is way lower than the other, sprouting from his cheek rather than at eye level.
Ur right omg
i have to be on duma side for this one, you cant just keep giving happiness or they just will never want to do anything ever again
When Mom and Dad fight over child custody so they just take turns so you get to see them
Wished they revealed his face in this cutscene
Its crazy when you think about it, in Duma's perspective Mila is like this peace and love fanatic that leads a cult
I understand his point of view.
Capitalism vs. socialism
@CrocutaIV It really is like that.
@YT C.S.K.S you're right cause the state owns everything and when you try to make something your own you'll be executed infront of your village woth your family in the front row.
Is this the memory prism you get from the end of Thabes, or is that something else? And yes I know this video is old, but I'm still gonna ask. XD
Maybe instead they should have compromised. Like give them what they want but if they abuse it throw in a drought or two to teach them a lesson.
Had to come here since I beat the creation and then immediately left ;-;
At least some Rigelians were to able to find some happiness...
duma speaks the true
For some reason, this is a recommended video...Hey, guess who is a Mythic Legendary Hero in Fire Emblem Heroes?
Guess who else just recently became yet another mythic hero too
How the hell did Duma get into Heroes before Mila?
Duma gotta point tho 🤔🤔
I think i missed this prism somewhere in Duma temple
Oh nevermind
Magically Clueless Where can I find it?
Spoilers
At the end of the Thabes labryinth
Look into The Starzzz Ah I beat that but I never noticed until I went down a second time. Grima be sitting on top of it smh.
Independence>Mila>Duma
Red Rocket Rider Naga>Independence>Mila>Duma
Independence=Naga>Duma>Mila.
Now he's in Heroes
I can't agree with Mila at all. What good is a world that is filled with blessing with no hardship? Hardship is what makes us stronger. Stronger men create better futures for their descendants. You can't just spoil people or they'll turn into drunkards.
They should have made a dlc prequel where King Rudolf goes on the quest to kill Mila
So... it's basically Khorne vs Slaneesh
Xaveric Jr Kind of.... Except that Mila Isn't really a sadist
Have you seen the face she make against rudolf ?
Xaveric Jr She was angry, but she isn't sadistic
To be fair, she was also probably starting to suffer from the degeneration that all dragons in the this FE universe eventually succumb to. It just wasn't a far gone as Duma's
khorne is depicted as a mindless bloodthirsty brute in the recent background, but he always was much more than that. Duma is pretty close in some aspects, of the original idea and description of khorne
People are either sheep, wolves or sheepdog. If you have too many sheep then the wolves will pray on them. Too many wolves and you have chaos and failure. A civilization can only find the ideal balance if it is made up of Sheep-dogs. Those who close their borders to all. No villains, weakness or leaches to take part of what they have harvested and sown. Wolves would never be able to do this. A civilization of Wolves would steal from each other. The success of those who succeed would be squandered by thieves then they would want more. A civilization full of Sheep could work. Only if they were isolated from others. They could find prosperity inheriting whatever land they decide to reap and sow
You are right doesn’t mean you are correct
I wish that at the end of the game we could have played of had some thing to do with them
#DumaDidNothingWrong
Where is this prism located? Thabes labyrinth?
Yeah, beat the postgame boss and the prism will be where it was.
What is the song during this??
I know its 4 years ago but still, the ost is called Revelations
Where is that memory prism found?
The Thabes Labyrinth
@@yang6642 I thought you get it at the end of the Duma Battle. Thank you, I ended up getting it at the Labyrinth.
Ashunera=Kaguya Otsutsuki
Naga=Hagoromo Otsutsuki
Duma=Indra Otsutsuki
Mila=Ashura Otsutsuki
Where to find this memory prism?
dragon king leonides1527 Defeat the final boss of the Thabes Labyrinth in Act 6 (postgame).
@@Ocsttiac im on that,its hard i cant pass it :'v
The clash of two ideals that eventually brought the world to the brink of ruin. Just like another game I know.......
What would that game be?
Black Pants To be more specific the Metal Gear Solid franchise. After the events of MSG3. Big Boss with his vision of Outer Heaven and Major Zero with his formation of the Patriots. Both of which thought with their own causes could bring something significant to the world. However it caused a chain of events that nearly put the world to pretty much rely on War as a salvation to thrive on.
raysmashbrawl176 Thankfully it wasn't nearly as bad here.
Pokemon Black and White
seems that Duma is saying the truth, look at Lima IV
What is Lima IV
@@nickneckerman2220 Lima IV is the last king of Zofia, it's said early in the game normally
where i can find this memory prism
Nohrian Guy You have to beat the boss of the postgame dungeon. It's in that room and you can pick it up before teleporting out of the dungeon.
Heads up that dungeon is brutal, you cannot save at any point while in there. Only go with your best units and equipment, unless you hate yourself. (got to the 9th floor before my Alm got hit by that 1% crit)