Eddie 'Psycho' Palmer | Feud With Gary Spiers & Gangster Charlie Siega
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- Eddie Palmer the Toxteth Terror had an infamous fight with 'Expert In violence' Gary Spiers and was brutally attacked by Charlie 'Killer' Siega we give his rise and demise in this TH-cam documentary #darrengee #liverpoolcrime #mattlegg #karateshotokan #garyspiers #truecrimestory #paddyconroy #karateshotokan #karate
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Well how are you doing mate
Love this one I’ve never heard of him before seeing this,,
God bless you man and keep them coming thanks,,
Tremendously well researched piece of work.
Very informative
Thank you 💪
Good channel buddy just watched another video,did you say you were from SALFORD?my Mrs family from there there called convoys,her dad was Ray and aunty Eileen cousin Tony,Carla,Amy don't know if you know them but they've been in Salford all there life he died couple few years back he.was living on Gerald Road at time! It's ruff round there pal!
I meant to say my Mrs family from Salford called CONROY'S NOT CONVOYS
In da 90s there was a Carl Palmer from tocky is he a relation
I've met Gary. He was hard as nails without being a bully or showoff, the definition of a real man.
I met Gary Spiers once when I was a kid. I was involved in karate at the time and gained the rank of black belt (1st Dan in Shotokan style). I’d read maybe a month prior an interview with Snsei Spiers in a magazine called Fighting Arts (owned by my old teacher and Karate Master and Liverpool hard man, Terry O’Neil). Spiers was minding an arcade in Manchester and he was most affable and polite man. He autographed the magazine for me and we chatted for a long while.
Basically, a bully-boy scumbag who needed numbers-and-weapons ran into Gary and Gary wasn't having any of it.
I've yet to hear anyone tell a story where Gary started it or went out looking for it. I've hear a lot of stories from people who knew/worked with Gary and they all say he was the nicest guy you'd ever meet, had a big heart for animals and children, he just didn't like people who tried to take advantage of others.
A tank of a man ,had that mad Samoan/Moari POWER 🔋 💪
A bully who picked on drunks.
The most feared man in Liverpool is the Job Centre manager
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You could be right😂
Coward
😅You,too? I thought this anxiety complex was only in the US.
There was a few nasty bullies round Toxteth in the 70's. Robbing people, beasting girls and even boys, terrorising clubs and pubs for protection or a few rounds of drinks. This is all before the D business was big money.
When they died, usually violently people were glad and no one came forward to grass on his assailant
Beasting? What does that mean
Been watching for a while, excellent work pal! keep it up.
Thankyou mate
I'm from Dingle, Palmer was considered to be an absolute scumbag. On the other hand, the guy that topped him, Beech Ketley was considered a hero, what goes around comes around
He use to go along milly and park road in all the pubs trying to terrorise people . Only ends one way that . And I never meet beech only heard good stuff about him tho
Beech didn't kill Palmer, he took the wrap. Anyone in the Peel Hall car park seen who killed Palmer and it wasn't Beech.
he did he's my uncle mate,there was a popular misconception it was our jojo his son because he had to get him out the way but it was our joey who did it,whacked him through the window then give him it right through the ribs,no worries mate that was a rumour but it was joey.have a good day@@sconned65
It wasn't Beech ,
it was@@ragingmouse5547
Good enough for him, he got what he deserved. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Brilliant mate. One of your best 🥊
Thanks mate appreciated 👊
TH-cam algorithm found this for me, great narration, interesting story, keep up the good work, subbed 👍
It's my first time on the channel I only subbed up to it yesterday cos I come across you while watching a couple or live's yammy b was doing on his channel (wich I really enjoy and my opinion of him is he's genuine and been there) and I watched this one and thought it was bang on my interest level and you give it a polished audio! Anyway gonna have a mooch at a few others of yours and see if I enjoy them as much? Take care pal and be lucky and be you! ✌️Burnley boys 4real T.R.S.T 72
Think that's the best one you've ever covered mate, 💯 percent smashed it out the park,keep up the good work and watch your channel grow
Mate thankyou so much 🙏
@@enquirer2.0 I'd go so far to say I liked it even more than the live you did covering the hutch live verdict.......keep up the good work mate 👍
Gary Spiers and Terry O’Neil both formidable Gents ….Terrys Dojo was in Town around the corner from Shanks …took a visit one night ( I was a member of Sensei Jim Brennans club at Wavertree sports centre at the time ) we heard of him and wanted to visit his dojo …he said we could sit in but to keep quiet …I got to say he was giant of a man and a world class world level Shotokan Karate man ….Met Gary once and he was a giant of a man also with a great sense of humour ….I’m from Toxteth born n bred and it was crazy times back in my youth in the late seventies / eighties when i discovered night clubs most where safe and you could enjoy yourself but stray into the wrong one with the wrong crowd and you’d want to go home ….always some Bellend bully type not liking the cut of your Jib ….there was always a bit of North end South end of Liverpool friction ….there was never a dull moment plus Liverpool then and now a great city for a night out .
lucky u didnt live in jerk in bed over the water xx
Did you no big Joe macmanus
Just an American passing through. Looking for more Spiers stories. Great channel 🤝
Welcome aboard! thankyou
Can someone get Charlie Siega on a podcast ? it would be one of the best.
Well narrated and good knowledge av subscribed 👍 .. respect from Newcastle
Thanks a lot mate
One of the best channels on here, excellent work
Thankyou mate 🙏
Loving your channel brother 👍👊
Superb story's keep them coming!!
Fascinating content. Thank you.
iv always been the biggest Lenny Mc fan 😍
But i must be very shallow because Gary is my knew fav 🤩🤩🤩😂😂
what a great upload 💯👊👊👊
Thanks Roger much appreciated and yes great find by Matt
Love these stories! Every city or town in the country have these characters, and i love hearing about them.
Well put together. Subbed.
thankyou mate
Awesome mate but turn up the volume a wee bit
Sorry mate will do
Just subscribed brilliant 👍
The good ole days. Another great video brother. Lot's of luv from Florida. 👍🇺🇲🗽🏴👍
Thank you brother
How come you're name is Sullivan when you celebrate a George cross.
@@johnnyjumpup859 That's the England flag, I don't know were u get George at
That flag is st George's cross that's where hes getting george from!! Weird that you use the st George's cross but you dont even know what it is!!
@@manchesterguy7961 then what is the England flag, do they look alike
Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.
Excellent that was brother. Genuine mate💯❤️✌️
Thankyou my friend 🙏
@@enquirer2.0 do some more videos on gary spiers he was a legend
Another great video. Any lee Murray street fights
There's a few waiting for confirmation on one
Knocked ufc fighter tito ortiz out cold
@@enquirer2.0one with sparks
Jordan Peterson.......................
"Good men are ready, willing and able to serve and protect those who cannot help or protect Themselves.
They are men of peace, but with the ability to be very dangerous if the situation requires That Of them.
They are warriors who are pleasant and smile, but who are willing to raise the black flag and Start cutting throats if that is what it takes to protect their family and those around them!
Good Men are Dangerous Men!"
RIP Mr Gary Spiers.........................................
P.S. you need to give credit to the author of " Working with Warriors" Mr Dennis Martin 👍
Gary taught me Goju karate in Wallasey for 3 year when i was a 20 something young pup, smashing guy. RIP Digger❤
Respect mate great memories for you
The fact you called him Digger tells me you actually speak the truth.
I never met the man myself but know many that trained under him.
What an experience you had.
I trained under Master Shin in Tae Kwon DO.
His teachings live with me forever and there are katas and techniques that I still practice regularly.
The world's gone soft these days.
The don't make them like Master Spiers and Shin any more.
@@craig1669 Graig , Don't forget Sensei Mr Tony Chin 🤫🤫
Coming from Aotearoa (New Zealand) good to see Gary's name still being brought up man was TUFF.
yes gary spiers was sent back home to new zealand for a maori funeral my mates friend took him home hes buried on maori land were he can rest a true maori warrior missed buy every one that knew him in england
Chur
@@tonywilson4339 solid hard getting the money to bring back bodies but your friend is a legend for that
Fantastic story liverpool has so meny long lost story's ❤
I remember Gary Spiers in the 1980s when he was working at Southport Floral Hall. He was a cool fella if you behaved yourself. He took my LSD microdots off me but gave them back as long as I didn't make a nuisance of myself.
Wow what an account thanks well done
Love the site... a lot of information. 👍 Has anyone heard of a guy in the 70s from Liverpool named John Tremarvo?
Tremarco
Beech was innocent. A good man.
7:20 "As I was trying to knock the wall down with the back of his head"! Brilliant!!!
Good video mate,,nicely narrated,,great story
Gary Speres was a very well regarded martial arts instructor.
No matter if your the baddest man on the planet you got to all answer to God almighty the baddest man in the universe
I know guys who don’t pay for drinks - but that’s because they’re wanted in the place.
Palmer met a fitting end to be honest. Just as his father predicted.
Where's the links mentioned in this video
Charlie Seiga doesn't even register on the criminal radar in Liverpool. To call him a 'gangster' is laughable. He's a bit part player.
Yeah it doesnt matter how tough someone thinks they are ,there is always someone tougher just around the corner
he's my uncle joey,he was never known as doherty by the way.no worries mate think that comes from the roy adams book and don't know where he got it from as he was never known as that.for a better picture of our joey in his prime read "the rocking city" by sam leach,he gives a more accurate portrayal of the status and power beech had before sadly a hit was done on him with a car.he struggled to to walk after that as his legs were all pins and plates,miss him badly to this day and was proud of the name he had also being a gent and more importantly never a bully.just joined as a good mate said you'd mentioned our joey,will have to have a catch up on your vids haha.have a good day mate
if thats ste como ebberly..... i have worked with you bud
cummo sorry
@@junior4246 haha that's me mate,were we on gbar or garls.i don't miss getting harished on those gaffes,it was tom off gbar told me about this vid.hope you're ok mate
@@stecumo6459 yes all sound ste still going as you do ... i belive the irish are still going around there saying fishcake said they can come in ha ha
hahaha remember the laughs with that,go down to passion he said "you're all day" haha have a good day mate@@junior4246
I think the original interview about ''Mr Farmer' 'might have been from Terry O Neil's Fighting Arts, if any scholars of mither want to dig through the archives.
i think you can google the interview
gary birthday today he would off been 80 rip big man gone not forgotten
Some hard man. Hits women, carries a knife and needs his gang. Oh yeah a real hardman.🙏
Beech Tree stabbed him as he sat in his car outside a club on the lower end of Park Road near the Aigburth Road end. Beech Tree was out and about by the early 80's. He was well known in Dingle.
There was another nutter used to he seen in Liverpool city centre in the 80's. Panama. Apparently he killed his wife/gf with an axe. Used to be seen around in the pubs opposite Central Station. Again another well known face.
Charlie Seiga was the guy in the frame for killing notorious taxman George Bromley Snr. Bromley used to bounce around Kensington and Old Swan areas dressed like a 16 yr old scally in a shellsuit whilst a man in his 30's. Bromley had gone to Seiga's house and Seiga was apparently preparing breakfast when an unknown assailant, according to Seiga, walked in through the French windows and blasted Bromley with a shotgun. Another notorious neonazi hardman, Joey Owens, was also suspected of shooting Bromley.
Why's Joey Owens a neonazi?
Because he gives a fuk about the way this this country is flooded with immigrants?
George Bromley was shot at tea time not breakfast, Seiga said the gunman came through the front door and not the patio. He was shot with a hand gun not a shotgun....
Panama did the door of the State.. ski jacket and sweat band. Some naughty doormen on there.
My mate’s mother used to work in the golden gate in china town we were about 17 n Panama came in while we were having a Scran and all we did was stack the plates for Doreen and he came over looking to spark us Doreen had to tell him to sort his head out the fkn bully and shacklady lived by ours n want to same school he was mad then
Was it a full English breakfast, hope it didn’t have black pudding in it.
Have u got a book out please
Hi Kevin I have one coming out next year March 2004 time I will keep people updated
He was a good friend of my dads Gary spent a lot of time around him before he died 👍
Brilliant content mate 👌Thanks for that and Gary Spiers was the real deal back in the day fact GTC 👹💥💥💥
Brilliant 💪🏴🇬🇧
Thankyou mate
@@enquirer2.0 you should try make longer ones as they really are brilliant m8 I listen to them on my night shift while working away my night flys in 😃 keep up the good work m8 💪
Feared by every woman in Merseyside
Can you do a mini doc on the doors in Liverpool back in the day. Meant to be serious gang wars between all the door firms
I remember one name when I was a kid growing up in Sunderland.. Chuck Sawyer, used to do doors with a big Maori guy if i remember right.. You could usually see Chuck on his horse round Hylton Castle area 👍
This was back in the mid to late 70s
Sounds interesting character
@@enquirer2.0 quite a short wirey fella.. he had quite a reputation at that time.. maybe some of your subs have more info on him 👍
Gary did a door in wigan.had chest pain ..said he was getting off.later died that night..heart attack. I have to say he was a gent that didn't ever bully or come across as a thug.he didn't need to.his presence said it . All...
didnt gary die while having a op and had a heart attack while under
@@pauljones8218 could have taken him in to hospital...all I know is he died later that night...
Cracking video that mate. I’d never heard of Palmer before. Could you do one on Andy Shacklady? Yammy’s done some brilliant videos on him but there’s not much else out there.
Yes mate just will need check on what his status is in jail don't want fck up any potential probation for him
@@enquirer2.0 Ah, yeah of course. He’s coming down in categories, isn’t he? Fair play mate. Looking forward to your next videos,whoever the subject 👊
I'd heard that Andy Shack died a few years ago. Peaceful when sober but a real handful when he'd had a few. I understand that he was the basis for the character of 'Shake Hands' in Alan Bleasedale's 'Boys from the Black Stuff'.
@@2sepgorillas I believe that was the person I’m talking about’s uncle.
I was away with brian Schumacher. Another hard man
Brilliant
Do one on Paul flannery or ray odoha 2 Manchester legends or the frenches or smith familys of south London
Wasn't Jimmy Holmes working for the frenches at one point
Growing up in Liverpool I've heard a lot of stories about most of these men. The one I remember is when the Krays came to Liverpool looking to "expand" Beach Keatley and his mates made sure the Krays didn't get off the train in Lime Street. They didn't come back. Has anyone else heard that story? I've heard it from several people so there is probably some truth to it.
Yes, it's a story that went the rounds, part of Beech's legend. Tended to believe it due to the source.
There's stories exactly like that in a few city's around the country. Newcastle being one. Read up on the battle of Snow Hill, Birmingham which definitely did happen. My gut tells me not all of them are true though. People like to piggy back off the Kray name.
@@KryptonitetoallBS There are photos of the Krays at a club called La Dolce Vita in Newcastle.
our joey was good friends with eric mason and the nash's etc and looked after them whenever they came to liverpool,eric actually mentions our joey in one of his books i believe.he was in dartmoor with the richardsons/frank mitchell etc and met the krays when they came up here as he was head doorman on the cabaret etc and i've heard that story myself mate but how true it is i can't say as i heard the main plod met them and fucked them off also.he was unbeatable in his prime like hence the hit with the car getting done on him,people don't realize how big he was.freakishly big for that time,even in his old age he was still a mountain.real shame what happened to him in his prime,shithouse bullies bandying together to set him up.was never the same after that with his legs,miss him bad to this day.this fella should have done one on our joey as some of the stories i heard off old school liverpool villains over the years about him are something else.have a good day mate
@@stecumo6459 thanks for the reply. Yeah I only ever heard good things about Beech. From what I remember he was described as a hard man but a gentleman too. I will have to ask a few of the old fellas who were probably of a similar age. Not that clued up about what happened to him but I will dig a little deeper 👍
The late Tony and Micky Bennett from bootle Liverpool work on the club doors they had a fearful presence in the City
id be interested to nomore about them
Look up a guy called Tommy Doherty from Huyton then later Broadway in Norrisgreen. Trust me, they all feared him, he put most of these guys out, Charlie himself used to shake when his good mate Tommy used to kick off. He is still legendary in and around the City. Charlie’s story on what happened between him and Eddie is a bit misleading just like most of his stories are. It’s not quite what actually happened. There was a lot of Bad lads from Huyton, Tommy Doherty, Knoxy, Kirmo, Andawl Jensen, just to name a few. And they could all fight and strike fear into most people’s lives at the time. Charlie was never a fighter, he was a two bob con man, he’d take advantage of fools and Mugs and pull scams on insurance companies. He was sly though, and you could never turn your back on him, he was well known for pulling knives and Stanley blades on unaware victims who’d offended him in some way. There was a thousand gangs in Liverpool back in the day and every one of them always had a few that were always the hardest man in the City and who everyone was scared of.
Same as in every city in the whole of Britain. I’m enjoying your stories though, so e are making me laugh though, because I know most of these guys that your mentioning Personally, and I know that a lot of the stories are a bit far fetched. But good luck doing what your doing 👍🏼 To my Dohert, I believe, now floats around West Derby , Charlie will put you on to him, but don’t hold your breath, he’s old school and probably won’t want to talk about anything from the past. It’s only the story stretchers like Charlie and the likes of Super Grass Darren Gee that can’t keep their mouths shut 🤣🤣🤣👍🏼
3:08 nice 1 bud❤️🇬🇧💯 3:28
My uncle Bob was a night club owner and wrestler in the 60s 70s in Liverpool someone will remember him he has a corn beef colour birth mark over half his face.
Ive asked before were would you put the great alfie lewis in the mix.?
I'd hve to look into him mate
Plz do he was from toxteth .he was the best. 👊
I'm half Irish and a 2 quarters German and English. I am42 today and I respect Spiers. One of my most loved is the hub, Len. I live in Australia and I've had 3 underground fights.. Won 1 and lost 2. However, I am keen to test my luck as a short heavyweight. My boxing coach tells me to lose weight. But I want to bang
Respectfully Darren.and god bless
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just think of all there suffering he couldn't inflict because he was dead
What with the Motorcyclist mate.. 🤔
That was awesome 😮
i grew up in Liverpool and all the hardest old nutters are long gone now and unknown kept a low profile or just remained in obscurity
remember seeing garry at terry oneils samuria late 80s monster of a man
Slot 11:21 this 'real man' saved a terrified girl from rape. I'm so glad you never ever did any jail time!
Your glad i did no jail time? Unfortunately ive done plenty but glad those days are long gone
Sounds like the Lee Duffy of Liverpool
Palmer wasn't the hard man they say he was my dad ran the Crown on lime Street and battered him no weapons needed he was also a grass this was 1975-76
What not the Devil kung foo master enforcer
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Sir Billy Connelly tells a story him and Ricky got band from the Grafton for dancing on a table.
Connolly
Rest Peacefully beach and Jojo
Good story bro Im from Ireland and I love listen to stuff like that I used to live in England, YNWA James 🇮🇪☘️💯
Thankyou mate
This is the only page ive heard gary mentioned, obviously a complete unit.
Other pages too busy licking usual suspects up ie MacLean,Shaw,etc.
Serious case of live by the sword die by it 💯
Tommy gildea next
yea right
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I met charlie once briefly , gentleman
So he makes rules before the fight, no kicking ect, knowing the other bloke is a martial arts expert and the first time he gets hit he uses his teeth and bites him. Unbelievable haha😅
Patchwork Quilt..
what about crime family the Garlands from Kensington Liverpool
Mustard
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I've read killer by Charlie seiger, good book
Yes good book one of our old school ,stoke on trent,legends in it Larry Parkes sadly passed now a good boxer n safe blower. We used to go upto Liverpool in a limo meet his old pals all good men
He got another book ' Hyena's'
In his other work of fiction he tells more lies and the only real bit is when he stood up in court and GRASSED and put the two men away for many years who kidnapped him . Not a hard man, never was a hard man he was a safe robber end of 🤷🏽
palmer used to walk around his mums house in his boxer shorts he must of been about 40, very strange man.
Only man even close to defeating Gary would of been terry o neill. Both absolute beasts.
Or Steve Morris
No Contest Terry was Gary’s Senior on and off the Matts and even Gary knew this ..That’s 💯FACT 👍🏻
@@A67255Steve was unbelievable and he’s still training
I know people who knew Eddie Palmer,and they said he was that big he couldn't get suits to fit him,so would walk around wearing these really tight suits up his leg 😂 Arl Georgie Fitz gave him a hiding one night in his club, the Starline?
interesting mate not heard of georgie fitz
The oldest of the Fitzgibbon brothers,an old boxer and doorman!
@@enquirer2.0 he was the oldest of the 9 Fitzgibbon brothers,an old boxer,doorman,nightclub owner!
No such thing as commando bayonet Thier is a commando dagger know as fairburn Sykes
Sounds like a bellend.. nowt more than bully .
He met a fitting end .
Very sad his father predicted his end
Love listening to you read . This was superb and I’m glad Gary did that. I really want to hear more of Gary Spiers
Thank you
I can tell from the accent your from stoke on Trent pal .. can you make a video about some local legends ? … also not to pull the race card but maybe getting some vids about Asians on here too ?