Met Gary once many years back. Was introduced to him by my dad (also a big name in the history of Liverpool hard men) what struck me was how much of a gentleman he was. Also the mutual respect both he & my dad had for each other. They don't make them like that anymore. RIP to both my dad & Gary.
Gary was a gent used to come in mum and Dads cafe I was in awe of him because of his reputation used to sit with my Dad and tell his war stories and he could eat like nothing I seen but being a boy of I don't know 13 or 14 he showed me nothing but respect and good manners hes a legend and deserves to be remembered as such RIP
Good video Bill, thankyou. There was a civvy work screw in Altcourse named Banjo. Lovely fella, he worked the doors in Liverpool in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Told me loads of top stories about Eddie Palmer.
True , but I don't miss and don't forget all the bully boys and " hard families" that used to bully and lord it over people in certain areas , in a way I'm glad that's gone can't get away with that crap these days won't last
@@Eleventhearlofmars Every city has them but they getting on now. Still slap the head's off ppl but it's different now. "Sheriff" from Coventry, got the name by taking a gun off a lad from Birmingham in the Holyhead pub. Powerful man run the door's no name's ppl will kno the nick name 😂
great billy love hearing stories about gary spiers he was a legend he worked all over the world 119 citys trained the sas french foreign legion and many thousands off people and minded some of the worlds top stars
There used to be a doorman in the 80s called Mo.. proper gent, real old school. Never aggressive but you knew not to mess with him. Looked like he was a walk over but that's someone's mistake.
I left Liverpool in the 70s, went to all the clubs back then, since i have traveled the world, and never been to a harder town. Seen some very serious stuff in Liverpool. Most in the south dont know what life is about when it comes to the streets of Liverpool. Theres a war going on every day. But give me the old ways any day 🙏
I worked with Gary in the 80's ...Cindy's nightclub, Park Lane night club , Fleece Hotel...St Helens ...christ it was like Road House ...being a scouser I thought they were all nob heads in St Helens...Jesus big mistake...Gary saved me one night from 4 guys who were knocking shit out of me...he knocked one out...kicked the other to the floor and picked the other two up by the scruff of the neck and threw them out the fire exit ! ...Gary was a legend...died too young .
alright bill hope you're well mate,joey was my uncle.for a better representation of our joey you'd have to ask old school heads south and northend,or read the bits about him in sam leaches "the rocking city" amongst other books.john lennon actually goes to hit him for a loan in it haha,was minder to all the stars that came to liverpool.stopped the beatles getting filled in by a gang over in the wirral,unfortunately a hit was done on him with a car in his prime by another bully whose jaw he'd broken for bullying in the club he was on.palmer was meant to have made the call to get him out as he was obsessed with beech.our joey had flattened him in and out the ring,even in the straightener on that ill fated night joey was whacking him till palmer went for his legs(his legs being plates and pins after the hit with the car)and palmer and a gang pushed him over a little wall and jumped all over him.the rest as you know is history,had to specify that as there was some chap talking nonsense on here a few months back who didn't have a clue about our joey.in his prime he was unbeatable hence being run over by a jag then reversed over,i've heard over the years "this one was gonna do that,he was gonna do this to palmer" etc when they've heard joey was my uncle.no one done nothing bill our joey did everyone a favour,but also was an absolute gent and never a bully which is why he got the sentence he did.was in the midst of writing his own book but when he lost his son he ripped it up and pretty much passed with a broken heart,sad when you think what he was before the hit on him.even ask our mutual friend paul harding the respect he had in the southend even in his old age off plod,people etc.there are 2 old school legends who own boxing gyms down there who could give you stories on both,one owns a gym on cockburn he'd give a belter as he was one of our joey's best mates and was there on the night but left half an hour before with my other uncle.but whether he would is up to him mate,i don't like mentioning names bill but one friend(another legend)who has since sadly passed and loved our joey in one of our last chats said "ste he was too fast,too big,too powerful" that was mr tony molloy RIP(i'm sure he wouldn't have minded me mentioning his name as miss our daily chats to this day).we're talking about a 6 foot 3 monster,heavyweight boxing champ who it took a car to beat,in dartmoor at 21 for breaking the main plod in the dingle's jaw with one dig.got five years for that in with all the cockneys hence they all respected him when they came to liverpool and he looked after all of them.(more names i won't mention but you can guess)total gent respected till the end but a bullies worst nightmare as when he went he was as violent as it got.miss him with all my heart mate,me and my father have looked after an awful lot of people in the same scene,i mean not in same breath/league as him like but we learnt off th best.as i say read sam leaches "the rocking city" with the parts on our joey,it rattles off a list of old school serious men then see what it says about our joey at the end.ta bill have a good day my mate and keep it coming
I don't give a shit what people say Gary Spires was one of the hardest men in the country, I had to good friends who where trained by the great man and I've heard a lot of stories about him that has never been released, my 2 good fiends who have now died were top
@@terrymoogan3773 Terry , did you ever go to my Dads shooting club, the Riverside back in the day? ..............................🤔🤔 A lot of Liverpool names did pass through his doors back in the late 70,s and early 1980,s 👍👍
Gary became diabetic, (years of overweight) and like most with diabetes died of a heart attack in his 60s. Great guy always chatted when i worked at romeo and juliets in lime st. RIP Gary.
The problem with that one John is that these Great Fellas, more often than not turn out to be terrible father's and husbands, so the families often see it in a different light.
@@job2447 may be it was just a idea like old school stuff when every area had a hard man and most times they ended up on the doors and you behaved yourself ✊🏻
Eddie Palmer came to skelmersdale he went to the mucky duck pub in digmoor he thought everyone in skem was a nugget untill he met bobby sims alias rocky bob he threw an ash tray at bobby n thats when bobby stuck one right on him split his lip open palmer got bobby with a couple but new he had met his match RIP ROCKY BOB Legend in skem
I use to go to the Grafton Ball rooms in Liverpool every Saturday night about 40 years ago . I never once had any trouble off the scousers they were always friendly . Grab A Granny night… 🕺🙇♀️ lol
If you live by the sword you'll die by the sword,it's all fear based ego at the end of the day,it's a dangerous world to frequent,but still it's interesting stuff👍
The thing about saying "nowadays people use knives instead of just fighting" is that there was alot more kick offs back in the early 2000s and 90s in the nightclubs than there are today. In fact one of the reasons nightclubs don't even exist anymore ( in Liverpool anyway) is because they had constant kick offs in them. You had to be careful what direction you looked in when in a nightclub. Yes there's more shit house stuff like stabbings in bars these days but objectively there aren't as many constant kick offs like we had back then.
@@theallornothingpodcastwith4442 70s even worse. Skin heads, before that mods and rockers. Football hooliganism etc all used weapons. Yes the kids of today don't have straighteners but every generation has been as violent as the others
@@T4SelNiNO I agree, people seem to forget just how many people have been carrying and willing to use blades, knives 🔪 every decade’s generation have been doing it, but we all say it’s worse now than it was then ( like 10 years ago, and the 10 years before that etc ) but all in all I think it’s pretty much the same situation as it has been for decades and decades.
Bill the book 'Working with Warriors" was penned by Garys good friend an fellow martial Artist Dennis Martin , not Terry O,Neil albeit Terry is featured in the book along side Gary 👍👍
Terry O'Neil & Dennis Martin both worked the door at Ruperts in Birkenhead. Never much trouble there. They also did security for Miss World competition held in London.
I worked on the docks in 76 in Liverpool with lads from toxteth they all new and hated palmer I believe the Stanley boys where the ungi and fitsgibbon families nothing's changed then
My Dad grew up in the Dingle.So did Palmer.I can remember me Dad him telling me about making Steerie carts as kids and racing them down Park road.He said there was a kid called Eddie Palmer who was bully even back then,,He was always robbing there carts. I use to go and visit me Nan in Byles street she lived in the old flats there.The family new Beach and only had good things to say about him,
You should get Roy Flatt on Bill, renowned Karate instructor, old school doorman of 40 years plus and a fabulous raconteur. Still training everyday, get in touch.
hello everyone I was with Eddie palmer in Walton jail in 1974, he was very hard to take too.i met him a few times later in Tony bucks place. he said he was going back into boxing. from all the fellers I knew they said he was nothing but a bully, the liverpool bank robber to the Hollywood Butler amen
My understanding he used rule and bully his way down Park Road etc and surrounding areas. Heard he had a load of bother at Peel Hall bottom Park Road. The old story between the two men was Palmer and Beach has a ring to it as in palm tree and beach.
Give Joe Owens a voice TH-cam. Billy give joe an interview he's a true patriot of our beloved Liverpool 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🇮🇱🇮🇱👍💪 keep Britain British 👍💪
Like that one billy I know Matt leg covered some stuff on Terry and Gary but think also you doing a bit more would be good also mate it’s the way yea tell em 👍
I heard Brian cockerill bench pressed Eddie palmer 400 times and rumour has it , Eddie had a load of loose change in his pocket aswell so god knows what he was weighing at the time 😢, Brian was wearing his xxxxxxxl nfl jersey aswell
I used to go to a boxing gym in either toxteth or croxteth ( 40 yrs ago so can’t remember which) ran by Franny Hands ….the gym was home to Robbie Robinson , joey frost and Robbie Davies …..the last one had a ferocious reputation and was told of Robbie kicking off in a Spanish disco resulting in a plane being chartered to return him home by himself….
I've heard of him he was around in the same era as Paddy Garland, Rocky Rigby, Jimmy O' Halloran, Delroy Showers...some of the nuts i knew growing up but they were all at least 10 to 15 years older than me
Them showers lot where all right thugs, never forget a friend of a friend was moving into a new house, he was viewing it before moving in, and he saw 2 lads with no tops on in garden behind the 1 he was viewing, no wonder you cant rent this place he said, was showers crew, L8
1980's was the best decade for night clubbing by a mile,,the best music by a mile, very little trouble if any clubbing in Liverpool or Wirral with the Punters,, the only people fighting were the bouncers V other bouncers 🤣🤣
@stratblaster Was in the state every weekend, even the Thursday acid nights early days. Saw much less trouble than pre rave scene. Those bogs were scary before with regular fights and kicking off. The State was THE club to enjoy a night out.
Nar , Total Rubbish ............................. In My Dads Club he had a Doorman’s (Hate that Bouncers shout) Sunday back in The Early 1980,s unheard of today! He gave them a Pool Table (Which Dad Owned🤔) and a safe place to chill out with their Wifes and Girlfriends! And guess what , not a single incident of Fighting, except maybe when Big Bernie (Studio 54) got owned on the Pool by Dad (Again) Then Joe Mac interceded 🤔 Great Memories ................................................RIP Dad
Alright Billy am Tony the one who used to paint the pies for ash one night about two am on granny street he tried to pull me into his car he had someone driving for him man that was a close on🤪👍e
Bill where you getting these jarg clothes from lad? They look great. not many unemployed lads rocking legit designer gear, come on let us in on the plug.
He walked in the Eagle and Child Huyton once while everyone was watching the Liverpool Everton derby on the tv , he went and turned it over to another channel….now that’s what you call a nutter….
Kin hell...must had balls the size off beach balls....more nuts than KP...asteriod bollocks...taking walls down with a cast iron ball bag just launching people...I bet his tackle used too start on each other he had too negotiate with his plums too stop em kicking the snot out off each other I bet his balls took people hostage when he wasn't paying attention....
BILLY ‼️ . Im 53 from over the water, married over 30 years. My Mrs’s Dad used to knock about with Eddie when he had a bit of bother on. He would turn up and beep:- Brian was 6’7” with hands like shovels. On with the cronbie “won’t be long”, off they would go for the business and vice versa, Eddie stood with Brian many a time. Great subject kid 👍🏻 All the best to you, your Jiey and the family 🎄
Any old timers recall a legend in seafaring days in Liverpool of an old tough gay chap named Johnny Linus, as a callow young lad of 16 years I had an untoward incident on a vacant block at the back of the Spanish Wine house opposite St John gardens near the tunnel in the early 1970s, totally frightened the life out of me at the time
Researching a book on tough old Liverpool characters,not gangsters,Johnny Linus was one of those characters, a seafaring gay stoker who sailed from Liverpool to New York,spared Dublin’s Paddy Foley,seeking information/ photos ect for potential historical book.
high Wayne Tony was a friend of mine hard lad great boxer he stepped on the wrong toes paid with his life sad . Terry Moogan in California my book just come out liverpool bank robber to the Hollywood Butler merry xmas
No one is the most feared man because everyone bleeds doesn’t matter who you are there’s always someone more scary. It’s like rappers they say they’ll do this and that in their music but catch them in a shop alone they’ll shit themselves
@@jshaw4757 the ones who chat 💩 about using guns and slapping bitches down etc etc. It’s hardly inspiring lyrics and setting a good example to the people they’re aiming this 💩at.
Come on Bill, when you getting Franny Bennett on to tell us about his straightener with the big boy with the locks from Manny? There thee are again in tha jarg Bentley.
Did you ever hear ov anyone called shadow ..used to go the gladray in Toxteth my brother used to drink there .read working with warriors brilliany book or hard nights by roy adams .few palmers tails in thats
My grandad used to get phone calls when Eddie palmer was kicking off ,he would walk in wherever Eddie was an Eddie would walk out ,,my grandads name is Stan Williams ,an I got told by a fella who was in the peanut gang that my grandad ended the leader of the peanut gang ,
Would there be older generations that were known (for whatever) in the 50/60s, im sure my old man mentioned the palmers, he lived in L8 from 1940s-1970's- and me mam but she said she lived in the dingle, still L8 i think lol
I've had more then enough of this.. Who's the best comedians sky lark.. All this cockneys v mickys.. My names tommy gunnz FROM 🍀 lucky Luton. Let's get this show on the road.. Knock knock.. Who's dares, how's Joe Mexico, full of scouser, I bet, bless up folks, love
scousers have a soft spot for the irish so you would be made very welcome and have no problems i doubt. enjoy your visit as the people are lovely and very friendly
Think gary spiers ended up lived in elton cheshire ' had marshal arts school in chester....believe when he jogged round elton all kids uesd run with him ....
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1970. Worked in a menswear shop in Park Road. Used to get terrorised by Palmer and his cronies. Hated the man. Just a bully.
Beech was a good guy.
Was that Eddie Palmer not known for noncing young lads
Met Gary once many years back. Was introduced to him by my dad (also a big name in the history of Liverpool hard men) what struck me was how much of a gentleman he was. Also the mutual respect both he & my dad had for each other. They don't make them like that anymore. RIP to both my dad & Gary.
Gary was a gent used to come in mum and Dads cafe I was in awe of him because of his reputation used to sit with my Dad and tell his war stories and he could eat like nothing I seen but being a boy of I don't know 13 or 14 he showed me nothing but respect and good manners hes a legend and deserves to be remembered as such RIP
Gary Spiers was a great fella. I went to his classes a few times when I was a kid. RIP
One of gary ..spiers saying was strong people should protect weak people in society...true words ...
Good video Bill, thankyou. There was a civvy work screw in Altcourse named Banjo. Lovely fella, he worked the doors in Liverpool in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Told me loads of top stories about Eddie Palmer.
Brilliant, heard a lot of stories through martial arts over the years about Gary Spiers. Very capable and game
No morals anymore Billy. Sad times really now. Bring back the good old days anytime🙌🏻
Love listening to to these stories so interesting. Thank you Billy x
I'm the same generation as you, Bill, and you are SO right. No one has a 1 on 1 anymore .
True , but I don't miss and don't forget all the bully boys and " hard families" that used to bully and lord it over people in certain areas , in a way I'm glad that's gone can't get away with that crap these days won't last
All cowards thts y can't fight 😤
@@MICHAEL-wg2lhwithout naming names in Liverpool I know who you mean.
@@Eleventhearlofmars Every city has them but they getting on now. Still slap the head's off ppl but it's different now. "Sheriff" from Coventry, got the name by taking a gun off a lad from Birmingham in the Holyhead pub. Powerful man run the door's no name's ppl will kno the nick name 😂
I've met beach he was a lovely man I remember when he sat in the armchair it would disappear coz he was aa big man rip Joey and his son Joey xx
Gary spiers applied karate taught me how to switch people off 🤣🤣🤣
great billy love hearing stories about gary spiers he was a legend he worked all over the world 119 citys trained the sas french foreign legion and many thousands off people and minded some of the worlds top stars
There used to be a doorman in the 80s called Mo.. proper gent, real old school. Never aggressive but you knew not to mess with him. Looked like he was a walk over but that's someone's mistake.
I left Liverpool in the 70s, went to all the clubs back then, since i have traveled the world, and never been to a harder town. Seen some very serious stuff in Liverpool. Most in the south dont know what life is about when it comes to the streets of Liverpool. Theres a war going on every day. But give me the old ways any day 🙏
Gary from NewZealand Palmer’ bully Beach gent this happened about 1976 going back there lad stay blessed 🙏
I worked with Gary in the 80's ...Cindy's nightclub, Park Lane night club , Fleece Hotel...St Helens ...christ it was like Road House ...being a scouser I thought they were all nob heads in St Helens...Jesus big mistake...Gary saved me one night from 4 guys who were knocking shit out of me...he knocked one out...kicked the other to the floor and picked the other two up by the scruff of the neck and threw them out the fire exit ! ...Gary was a legend...died too young .
Fuck me, you just described an average night in the Grafton Circa 1981/ 82 🤔
@@Theoriginalbigbrillo worked the Grafton once..no trouble at all there..maybe I had a lucky night!
@@neil6644 so much trouble in St Helens....rough as fuck... everyone wanted to fight !
Fleece Hotel had it's moments as well
It's knob heads mate
alright bill hope you're well mate,joey was my uncle.for a better representation of our joey you'd have to ask old school heads south and northend,or read the bits about him in sam leaches "the rocking city" amongst other books.john lennon actually goes to hit him for a loan in it haha,was minder to all the stars that came to liverpool.stopped the beatles getting filled in by a gang over in the wirral,unfortunately a hit was done on him with a car in his prime by another bully whose jaw he'd broken for bullying in the club he was on.palmer was meant to have made the call to get him out as he was obsessed with beech.our joey had flattened him in and out the ring,even in the straightener on that ill fated night joey was whacking him till palmer went for his legs(his legs being plates and pins after the hit with the car)and palmer and a gang pushed him over a little wall and jumped all over him.the rest as you know is history,had to specify that as there was some chap talking nonsense on here a few months back who didn't have a clue about our joey.in his prime he was unbeatable hence being run over by a jag then reversed over,i've heard over the years "this one was gonna do that,he was gonna do this to palmer" etc when they've heard joey was my uncle.no one done nothing bill our joey did everyone a favour,but also was an absolute gent and never a bully which is why he got the sentence he did.was in the midst of writing his own book but when he lost his son he ripped it up and pretty much passed with a broken heart,sad when you think what he was before the hit on him.even ask our mutual friend paul harding the respect he had in the southend even in his old age off plod,people etc.there are 2 old school legends who own boxing gyms down there who could give you stories on both,one owns a gym on cockburn he'd give a belter as he was one of our joey's best mates and was there on the night but left half an hour before with my other uncle.but whether he would is up to him mate,i don't like mentioning names bill but one friend(another legend)who has since sadly passed and loved our joey in one of our last chats said "ste he was too fast,too big,too powerful" that was mr tony molloy RIP(i'm sure he wouldn't have minded me mentioning his name as miss our daily chats to this day).we're talking about a 6 foot 3 monster,heavyweight boxing champ who it took a car to beat,in dartmoor at 21 for breaking the main plod in the dingle's jaw with one dig.got five years for that in with all the cockneys hence they all respected him when they came to liverpool and he looked after all of them.(more names i won't mention but you can guess)total gent respected till the end but a bullies worst nightmare as when he went he was as violent as it got.miss him with all my heart mate,me and my father have looked after an awful lot of people in the same scene,i mean not in same breath/league as him like but we learnt off th best.as i say read sam leaches "the rocking city" with the parts on our joey,it rattles off a list of old school serious men then see what it says about our joey at the end.ta bill have a good day my mate and keep it coming
Thanks Ste appreciate the comment I’ll give that a read. Nice 👌
thanks bill@@theallornothingpodcastwith4442
I don't give a shit what people say Gary Spires was one of the hardest men in the country, I had to good friends who where trained by the great man and I've heard a lot of stories about him that has never been released, my 2 good fiends who have now died were top
think you're on the wrong thread mate i ain't mentioned gary spiers at all@@nipperparr6709
@@nipperparr6709 think you're on the wrong thread mate,i didn't mention spiers and didn't know him
My dad was a bare knuckle fighter in the day and he had the scars to prove it. He robbed for the poor and fed them all. Rip dad!
hi carol who was ye dad, Terry Moogan here from California. merry xmas
Was his name robin ? ( Surname bastad ? )
@@terrymoogan3773 Terry , did you ever go to my Dads shooting club, the Riverside back in the day? ..............................🤔🤔
A lot of Liverpool names did pass through his doors back in the late 70,s and early 1980,s 👍👍
no mate my book is out Liverpool bank robber to the Hollywood Butler good read all the best.@@Theoriginalbigbrillo
Gary one man not to be messed with in his day rip
Gary became diabetic, (years of overweight) and like most with diabetes died of a heart attack in his 60s. Great guy always chatted when i worked at romeo and juliets in lime st. RIP Gary.
Should do a pod cast of all the old hard men from back in the day in Liverpool get there families on to talk about them. Be a good one this
Then Harold Hughes would have to be one of the hardest men from Liverpool called “H”
The problem with that one John is that these Great Fellas, more often than not turn out to be terrible father's and husbands, so the families often see it in a different light.
@@job2447 may be it was just a idea like old school stuff when every area had a hard man and most times they ended up on the doors and you behaved yourself ✊🏻
@@christopher5721 Your right on the money with your reply.
@@stormytempest6521 👍✊🏻
Eddie Palmer came to skelmersdale he went to the mucky duck pub in digmoor he thought everyone in skem was a nugget untill he met bobby sims alias rocky bob he threw an ash tray at bobby n thats when bobby stuck one right on him split his lip open palmer got bobby with a couple but new he had met his match RIP ROCKY BOB Legend in skem
I use to go to the Grafton Ball rooms in Liverpool every Saturday night about 40 years ago . I never once had any trouble off the scousers they were always friendly .
Grab A Granny night… 🕺🙇♀️ lol
If you live by the sword you'll die by the sword,it's all fear based ego at the end of the day,it's a dangerous world to frequent,but still it's interesting stuff👍
The thing about saying "nowadays people use knives instead of just fighting" is that there was alot more kick offs back in the early 2000s and 90s in the nightclubs than there are today. In fact one of the reasons nightclubs don't even exist anymore ( in Liverpool anyway) is because they had constant kick offs in them. You had to be careful what direction you looked in when in a nightclub. Yes there's more shit house stuff like stabbings in bars these days but objectively there aren't as many constant kick offs like we had back then.
This was the 70s
@@theallornothingpodcastwith4442 70s even worse. Skin heads, before that mods and rockers. Football hooliganism etc all used weapons. Yes the kids of today don't have straighteners but every generation has been as violent as the others
yes when i kisten ti old war stories the older generation seem wilder 😂
@@T4SelNiNO
I agree, people seem to forget just how many people have been carrying and willing to use blades, knives 🔪 every decade’s generation have been doing it, but we all say it’s worse now than it was then ( like 10 years ago, and the 10 years before that etc ) but all in all I think it’s pretty much the same situation as it has been for decades and decades.
@@technomickdocumentalist2495 the 80,s knives were very common in london, tube was naughty at night.
REST IN PEACE GARY!!! Hardest man this country has had. And a gentleman at that.
Bill the book 'Working with Warriors" was penned by Garys good friend an fellow martial Artist Dennis Martin , not Terry O,Neil albeit Terry is featured in the book along side Gary 👍👍
Great book terry local to me one hard man
Yes Dennis martin wrote the book and you should interview Dennis
Terry O'Neil & Dennis Martin both worked the door at Ruperts in Birkenhead. Never much trouble there.
They also did security for Miss World competition held in London.
@@raywynne2914 Don't forget the Chelsea Reach Club Ray 👍
I worked on the docks in 76 in Liverpool with lads from toxteth they all new and hated palmer I believe the Stanley boys where the ungi and fitsgibbon families nothing's changed then
My Dad grew up in the Dingle.So did Palmer.I can remember me Dad him telling me about making Steerie carts as kids and racing them down Park road.He said there was a kid called Eddie Palmer who was bully even back then,,He was always robbing there carts.
I use to go and visit me Nan in Byles street she lived in the old flats there.The family new Beach and only had good things to say about him,
arl fella worked on doors with Gary Spiers for a bit. Said he was hardest fella he met.
You should get Roy Flatt on Bill, renowned Karate instructor, old school doorman of 40 years plus and a fabulous raconteur. Still training everyday, get in touch.
wow that was a trip down memory lane. fleece in st helens, warrington with Brian Black, Tommy Laurence and the boys
Really surprises me how these guys are around so long.
hello everyone I was with Eddie palmer in Walton jail in 1974, he was very hard to take too.i met him a few times later in Tony bucks place. he said he was going back into boxing. from all the fellers I knew they said he was nothing but a bully, the liverpool bank robber to the Hollywood Butler amen
Best book I ever red that was about liverpool in the 80s spiders in the bath what a book
Interested in tha book
Belter read it and met the author great book
I've just ordered it off ebay for under 4 quid thanks for the tip.
@@Gang-zy7lq I've just ordered off ebay for under 4 quid there's one left if you want a copy.
@ripvanwincle2258 trust me you won't be able to put it down sooooo good
The black and white photo is barttley gorman . very good fighter. apparently never lost .
My understanding he used rule and bully his way down Park Road etc and surrounding areas. Heard he had a load of bother at Peel Hall bottom Park Road. The old story between the two men was Palmer and Beach has a ring to it as in palm tree and beach.
Give Joe Owens a voice TH-cam.
Billy give joe an interview he's a true patriot of our beloved Liverpool 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🇮🇱🇮🇱👍💪 keep Britain British 👍💪
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Don't let Joe owens on
Lost Characters of Liverpool would make a good series i knew a lot of them
Wow aren't you great
@@andymeighan8160 That's right
your right Gary so did my books just come out on amazon Gary liverpool bank robber to the Hollywood Butler. merry xmas
Like that one billy I know Matt leg covered some stuff on Terry and Gary but think also you doing a bit more would be good also mate it’s the way yea tell em 👍
I would love to see you and Darren have a sit down and talk about this type of thing, a long video. 👍🔥
I heard Brian cockerill bench pressed Eddie palmer 400 times and rumour has it , Eddie had a load of loose change in his pocket aswell so god knows what he was weighing at the time 😢, Brian was wearing his xxxxxxxl nfl jersey aswell
No 4oo times maybe 100
I used to go to a boxing gym in either toxteth or croxteth ( 40 yrs ago so can’t remember which) ran by Franny Hands ….the gym was home to Robbie Robinson , joey frost and Robbie Davies …..the last one had a ferocious reputation and was told of Robbie kicking off in a Spanish disco resulting in a plane being chartered to return him home by himself….
I've heard of him he was around in the same era as Paddy Garland, Rocky Rigby, Jimmy O' Halloran, Delroy Showers...some of the nuts i knew growing up but they were all at least 10 to 15 years older than me
Delroy as in brother of Micheal.
@@rorywoods6344 Correct. knew him years ago he was my brothers mate
Them showers lot where all right thugs, never forget a friend of a friend was moving into a new house, he was viewing it before moving in, and he saw 2 lads with no tops on in garden behind the 1 he was viewing, no wonder you cant rent this place he said, was showers crew, L8
Big H. Harold Hughes one of them.
1980's was the best decade for night clubbing by a mile,,the best music by a mile, very little trouble if any clubbing in Liverpool or Wirral with the Punters,, the only people fighting were the bouncers V other bouncers 🤣🤣
Ecstacy raves and clubbing were the best years noone fights with E inside them
@@robwood8331you obviously never went The State. Fighting eed up is boss.
@stratblaster Was in the state every weekend, even the Thursday acid nights early days. Saw much less trouble than pre rave scene. Those bogs were scary before with regular fights and kicking off. The State was THE club to enjoy a night out.
Nar , Total Rubbish .............................
In My Dads Club he had a Doorman’s (Hate that Bouncers shout) Sunday back in The Early 1980,s unheard of today! He gave them a Pool Table (Which Dad Owned🤔) and a safe place to chill out with their Wifes and Girlfriends!
And guess what , not a single incident of Fighting, except maybe when Big Bernie (Studio 54) got owned on the Pool by Dad (Again) Then Joe Mac interceded 🤔
Great Memories ................................................RIP Dad
There was loads of fights in the 80s. Think in them days it was too much guiness.
Alright Billy am Tony the one who used to paint the pies for ash one night about two am on granny street he tried to pull me into his car he had someone driving for him man that was a close on🤪👍e
billy reach out to Charlie Seiger , what a podcast that would be , he has a book out called killer
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Who wants to listen to a wrongun
I paid his ransom when he was kidnapped .Also bought a john palmer timeshare in the palm beach club from John minogue .
@@swannsilver4773 bought a timeshare 😂😂😂😂
@marklark9347 That's what I said lol
Good content 👊🏾
Altercation Bill Alteration is when the dry cleaners is putting a zip in your 501. ✊☘️
Or even your Flemings 24 inch bottoms Supatuf.
There is a book on Gary, I did have it
Nobody has a square go these days
That story is a heavy one, my mate .
Bill where you getting these jarg clothes from lad? They look great. not many unemployed lads rocking legit designer gear, come on let us in on the plug.
The jarg shop like everyone else 😂
@@theallornothingpodcastwith4442Cheetham Hills shut now mate... 😂
@@theallornothingpodcastwith4442 Yeah but where? Share the knowledge.
@@theallornothingpodcastwith4442 😂😂😂😂
All the seized clothing in MCR, the police have dished it out to the public instead of trashing it, probably get sold again now😂
Never a truer word said..they don't stand toe to toe they are sly guns knifes..well said
In another video, a young Pete Wylie, the singer, says Toxteth is the place for a night out with real people. I bet he never met that lot, lol.
Billy im only in Rhyl mate you can lock me in a box with Arnold Palmer hes a snide version of Happy Gilmour ⛳️
I’m on Instagram
Luton stew v scouse stew, ask charles bronson,..and Ronnie kray, he liked the plate clean. 😂
He walked in the Eagle and Child Huyton once while everyone was watching the Liverpool Everton derby on the tv , he went and turned it over to another channel….now that’s what you call a nutter….
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I'll tell you now fella, the Eagle must have been empty !😉
Kin hell...must had balls the size off beach balls....more nuts than KP...asteriod bollocks...taking walls down with a cast iron ball bag just launching people...I bet his tackle used too start on each other he had too negotiate with his plums too stop em kicking the snot out off each other I bet his balls took people hostage when he wasn't paying attention....
Antiques road show wasnt it?
That never happened.
Bill he is brilliant
Haven't heard of any of these, but Liverpool have produced some fine boxers.
Yeah jon contee was it
BILLY ‼️ . Im 53 from over the water, married over 30 years.
My Mrs’s Dad used to knock about with Eddie when he had a bit of bother on.
He would turn up and beep:- Brian was 6’7” with hands like shovels.
On with the cronbie “won’t be long”, off they would go for the business and vice versa, Eddie stood with Brian many a time.
Great subject kid 👍🏻
All the best to you, your Jiey and the family 🎄
Bigg up Billy 👍🏻🤘🏽🎄
Billy, when’s the podcast with the mate of Gary Spiers coming out?
Looking forward to it
@scousetony8618 no I know that 😂
On the video he said ‘Gary Spiers mate’ is coming on the podcast
@scousetony8618 haaaa it’s alright lad, even I had to read it twice you know 😂
Couple of weeks
Nice one 👍
Any old timers recall a legend in seafaring days in Liverpool of an old tough gay chap named Johnny Linus, as a callow young lad of 16 years I had an untoward incident on a vacant block at the back of the Spanish Wine house opposite St John gardens near the tunnel in the early 1970s, totally frightened the life out of me at the time
Yes heard of him did he have a brother
Unfortunately passed away in a Birkenhead nursing home apparently ended up working in Cammel Lairds
Researching a book on tough old Liverpool characters,not gangsters,Johnny Linus was one of those characters, a seafaring gay stoker who sailed from Liverpool to New York,spared Dublin’s Paddy Foley,seeking information/ photos ect for potential historical book.
Do you know the navarros from dingle? My family dont speak to them though my mum moved away when i was born.
My mate Von Johnson from cardiff fought terry O’Neil in the final of the British karate championship in 1978 Von beat terry .
What about joey owens he was a notorious martial arts champion who worked the doors he's had books published 😉👌
Listen , I did the doors for years at Mothercare and nobody gave me an ounce of bother,
It took bottle to work in/at Motherare
Any stories about tony sinnot from speke, before my time, but story has intrigued me
high Wayne Tony was a friend of mine hard lad great boxer he stepped on the wrong toes paid with his life sad . Terry Moogan in California my book just come out liverpool bank robber to the Hollywood Butler merry xmas
No one is the most feared man because everyone bleeds doesn’t matter who you are there’s always someone more scary. It’s like rappers they say they’ll do this and that in their music but catch them in a shop alone they’ll shit themselves
Anyone can be hard with a gun . Them rappers are full of 💩.
Which rappers you mean if don't mind me asking ?...cheers
@@jshaw4757 the ones who chat 💩 about using guns and slapping bitches down etc etc. It’s hardly inspiring lyrics and setting a good example to the people they’re aiming this 💩at.
I’ve missed a few bill , how is judder? Is he back from Mexico?
Come on Bill, when you getting Franny Bennett on to tell us about his straightener with the big boy with the locks from Manny?
There thee are again in tha jarg Bentley.
Have a strawberry 🍓 William.
Hello billy. Was he more feared than Steven French then.?
Did you ever hear ov anyone called shadow ..used to go the gladray in Toxteth my brother used to drink there .read working with warriors brilliany book or hard nights by roy adams .few palmers tails in thats
@royfudgemonkey9940 haha used to sell ties in gladray .remember pannama aswell bill
Name rings a bell
@@user-zz4pg7ip2v pannama ran big security firm.
My grandad used to get phone calls when Eddie palmer was kicking off ,he would walk in wherever Eddie was an Eddie would walk out ,,my grandads name is Stan Williams ,an I got told by a fella who was in the peanut gang that my grandad ended the leader of the peanut gang ,
Goin back abit there Fella with the peanut Gang.
They where nuts.
Assalted
Pay peanuts, you get monkeys
Micky Bennett😠
Would there be older generations that were known (for whatever) in the 50/60s, im sure my old man mentioned the palmers, he lived in L8 from 1940s-1970's- and me mam but she said she lived in the dingle, still L8 i think lol
Was he any good ay golf?
can you do a video on judders brother
What was the alteration on the dance floor, did they want to put some new disco balls up?
Brilliant video respect brother YNWA
I used to be interested in the hard men chat but not arsed now was just admiring the inner cloth of your jacket instead..
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Can you tell us any stories about Micky ‘KO’ Bennett and the Bennett family?
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Related to Frannie? He just bit 'alf his face off lad.
Palmer was from the Dingle.
Hope all's good bill is he any relation to Carl come across him bk in the day
Hi Billy how you getting on, hope all is good with you ❤
I've had more then enough of this.. Who's the best comedians sky lark.. All this cockneys v mickys.. My names tommy gunnz FROM 🍀 lucky Luton. Let's get this show on the road.. Knock knock.. Who's dares, how's Joe Mexico, full of scouser, I bet, bless up folks, love
Ricky Grover v Mike Reid, =a draw
My dad's name is Tommy Tarmac
Wish you were here
Jasus bill is it still safe for an Irish man to visit his relatives in Liverpool I'm shiting it 😢😢
Your safe Bren, you've got a lot of family here considering the heritage of most of the city 😉
Ah thanks i know that you get the best welcome always in Liverpool I've many friends there red and blue cheers
Liverpool East of Dublin, you're safe Brendan.
Liverpool is the capital of Ireland everyone knows that Bren
scousers have a soft spot for the irish so you would be made very welcome and have no problems i doubt. enjoy your visit as the people are lovely and very friendly
Think gary spiers ended up lived in elton cheshire ' had marshal arts school in chester....believe when he jogged round elton all kids uesd run with him ....
Like Rocky
An alteration bill 😁
How's judder getting on did he manage 2 get on the plane today
Yes all good 🌞
How’s judders doing billy hope he’s enjoying himself
Yes just spoke to him he’s having a scream
4:12 hope family well billy,nice 1❤️🇬🇧💯 4:40
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Big Bobby Bryant..................
Gary spiers 🙏 oos sensai
I maybe wrong but I'm sure there was 2 brothers who were hard knocks. The Llyons brothers years and years back. I think one was gay.
Love it
You think lee Duffy taking all them on..he's a pure was pure will bully